Quentin Tarantino Retrospective Kill Bill Volume 1 and 2 Review

Hi, this is Kevin Conroy, and you're listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. And welcome to

another special episode of Cinema Geeks as we

continue our Quentin Tarantino retrospective.

Today, we will be reviewing Kill Bill's Volume

1 and 2. Yes, the whole bloody affair. But before

we get into our view, let's go over who's here.

You have me, of course, Movie Revolt Dan. And

joining me, as always, is Kevin Optimus Solo.

How's it going, man? It is going great. How have

things been since last time we recorded? Not

too bad I'm trying to think if anything exciting's

happened and that's no Well, I guess I guess

yesterday was cool because like, you know, we

we're gonna or yesterday but you adjusted for

me since I had some some advanced screening tickets

to go see Southpaw and So that was fun. We got

to go see that for free last night Amanda and

I so I'll save some of those thoughts for our

regular episode, because I'm sure people will

be interested to see what we both think about

that. But that was fun. It was a packed theater

for a Tuesday night. I guess that's what happens

when it's free. That'll bring him in for sure.

Strange effect that has. So that was fun. Also

went to a theater production. We have season

tickets to a theater that's in by Chicago. We

went this past Saturday and they were showing

a theatrical Stage version of the movie beaches

Really with Bette Midler and I think Barbara

Hershey maybe that was in that film Which I've

never actually seen the movie version but it's

one of those where the movie version came first

and the stage production actually just became

a thing last year and It was shown. I don't remember

what state it was shown. It might have been It

was somewhere down south, and this actually,

this showing in by Chicago is only the second

time that this has been put on. by a theater.

And the main star of it was actually on the original

Broadway production of, I'm going to get the

wrong play, but it was either Cats or Wicked

or something. Sounds right, you know. Yeah. So

I mean, it was a legit Broadway performer. And

so that was fun. It was our second of our five

shows. So I was worried when I learned that it

in fact was an adaptation of the Bette Midler

movie, but ended up actually we both liked it

a lot. It was good. Very cool. Very nice. How

about you? Ah, not much. I've just been working.

This is like my busy season for work, so I'm

spending like 12 hour days at work, so. I saw

your overtime snack, I believe. Yeah, I had Sophie's

Choice of snacks. Either it was a white milk

chocolate candy bar or an apple, and I settled

on both. So, that's the way to go. I think that's

how, like, the candy apple came to be at one

point. Exactly. A white chocolate candy apple,

I feel. I think we're onto something. Yeah, perfect.

We're millionaires. But if this is the first

time you listen to this episode, this is another

assignment of our Quentin Tarantino retrospective.

We've been going through the career of Quentin

Tarantino. We started with an intro episode,

and we've done every movie up to Kill Bill so

far, including Pulp Fiction, Roars of Our Dogs,

and Jackie Brown. So if you've not listened to

those, definitely go back. Keycastrader .com

and you can check them out. But today we're going

over both Kill Bill 1 and Volume 1 and Volume

2. Yes, figured. We'll just do the whole bloody

affair all at once. And I think that's actually

kind of, we start these with a question, I think

that's a good thing to start with, and when you

think about it, building films into different...

Sagas are different taking something that was

originally intended to be one movie splitting

it into two has almost come commonplace today,

right? You know, like every franchise has to

end with two installments. You can't just have

one because you cannot Complete the lore that

is Twilight in five movies. You need six to tell

that story I think there's a big difference though

between when that's done to films that are clearly

a box office draw Yes. And when it's done for

other reasons. Exactly, exactly. We can definitely

get to that. So I do have a question for you.

So considering it was originally, this was, Kill

Bill was originally designed to be one film.

Do you feel that it's best experienced as one

marathon package where you have the first half

and second half and kind of watch it all together

and it's four hour gloriousness or whatever you

call it? Or do you feel like the two halves are

so distinct that they are better? being separated

because they're just their own unique experiences,

or is it like biting the opposite end of the

same rotten apple so it doesn't matter how you

watch it? Wow, that is a loaded question. Yes,

it is. There's a lot of ways to answer that.

Best way to ask a question, I guess. I have to

answer that like three different ways. I think

watching that like a marathon is good in the

same respect that I guess watching the Lord of

the Rings trilogy as a marathon would be. I don't

know if I would suggest that. It's fun to do

once, but... Yeah, I've done that. I've done

the entire day in the theater watching all three

extended editions, which is more Middle Earth

than anyone ever needs. Yeah, and that's enough

to fill you for a while there where you have

to go back to that universe. So I mean, I guess

that would be fun to do, but... I'm torn because

as they were made and as the film stand I would

say that it's it's they're unique enough and

they're different enough that I Think they can

definitely be watched on their own and and have

appeal for that. I Think each one appeals to

a different mindset a different audience a different

mode what I'm not saying that they can't both

appeal to the same person or to the same thing,

but I think I think you get enjoyment from seeing

one when you're in one mindset and the other

when you're in another mindset possibly. So I

do think they have some value on their own. If

I wanted to answer truthfully like just my instant

reaction, I would say it would have been better

to see them all as one film with the caveat of

if They had been edited in certain ways or if

certain parts maybe were were taken out or or

cut in certain ways, too. I don't think you need

to see them. I don't think the four hour version

is quite necessary if you're viewing it as one

story. I guess would be what I'm saying. I think

it could have made an awesome single film, but

it would have it would have taken. Some key cuts

and edits and stuff like that to make that happen.

So as the films actually stand, I think they're

better viewing Separately and not even in the

same day in different days or different weeks

Yeah, at least one in the morning one in the

afternoon. Yes, like that at least like a lunch

break in between Yeah, yeah, I I've got back

and forth in this a little bit I thought you

maybe it would have been better if this was just

one movie the you follow the original attend

But as I look at it and I'm thinking okay, if

this was one movie what would be different and

what would be taken out and I think it would

lose a lot being one film. I think being two

films I think allows each to be its own individual

product and they are so different and we can

get into that a little bit as we talk but in

a way you could argue that that there are two

sequels that there's Have very little in common

except for maybe plotline and they're stylistically

tonally Execution wise very different. So if

you put that in one film, would it would it be

so? Jarring a switch that wouldn't work and my

other thought would be maybe it would be just

too much because part of this is the revenge

angle where you're going down this list of characters

and with the simple act of going down a list

of eight names for three hours just be Too repetitive

that it would by the end you would lose interest,

but having that break maybe gives you a little

bit more to think about or it doesn't. It doesn't

make it seem so daunting of a task because you

get to split it up a little bit, you know, taking

one. So it ends up. not feeling so prolonged.

Everything is tighter that way. But I think overall,

I think it was the right choice if I was going

to say they do it in two movies. I wouldn't mind

seeing a cut, like the whole bloody affair cut,

like they've been talking about. I know it was

in Tarantino's intent. I think the wine scenes

advise maybe this would be the right way to go.

And a lot of people may think it's more of a

commercial choice, but I think in this case,

it was more an artistic choice to fit, to make

the story work better. Yeah, I don't get that.

I would never agree with someone that would say

that they did that for any type of financial

gain or anything like that. I don't think that's

even close to the intent on this one. I mean,

that's exactly what they did with Twilight. That's

exactly what they've done with a bunch of the

YA franchises is just trying to milk 400 more

million dollars out of people. But I don't think

that's even remotely near the surface for this

for this film or for Tarantino in general. I

would like to point out, though, that and kind

of get your your take here because we have different

original experiences with this film. Obviously,

I have never seen this either one of these volumes

up until getting ready for this record. So I

was able to watch them somewhat back to back.

I mean, it wasn't literally back to back in the

same in the same day. But I didn't have to wait

long in between them. I'm assuming you saw both

of these in the theater or at least in the year

of their release. I saw the first one. Weirdly

enough. I saw the first one in the theater. I

loved it and couldn't wait to the second one

That just shows you kind of my mindset in 2000

Three or four when this came out and I came out

the same weekend as the Punisher movie the Thomas

Jane Punisher movie So I ended up seeing that

instead of Kill Bill volume 2 and I waited forever

to see Kill Bill volume 2 I ended up getting

on DVD and honestly like it was a three -year

span in between Volume 1 and volume 2 for me,

and I don't know why there's no excuse. I was

in college So I think maybe I didn't have I just

didn't sit down and watch it But it took me forever

to sit down and see the second volume and I think

part of it was that I At that stage I thought

it would be a lot like volume 1 and then when

I was watching volume 2 which was slower and

Not at all what I expected. So every time I would

start watching it Maybe I would get disinterested

and go back and stop watching it and then finally

I finished it So I think I waited too long to

see them and ended up The first time I saw them,

I thought volume one was so much better and volume

two was somewhat of a letdown. But I think I've

kind of come around and changed upon that for

a few reasons. But for you, you saw these very

shortly together, so you don't have that in that

span of time. And the reason I brought that up

was because I was wondering what the experience

was watching the first one and then having the

the stop or or the lack of closure there and

You know what that what the reaction was to that

didn't did you feel like it stood alone? I mean,

obviously it's not meant to be a standalone movie.

It's meant to be volume one volume two You're

meant to see both chapters of the story basically

or all eight chapters or however many chapters

there were but I was just curious was there any

type of like Okay, what's gonna happen next after

you saw the first one or was it enough to to

keep you satisfied where you didn't? you know,

you didn't necessarily need to see the second

one to still enjoy the first one because I can't,

I can't. Yeah, I was at the end, you know, there

was a little bit high at the weight, but I think

overall I was very satisfied and didn't feel

like I didn't feel like I was watching half a

movie. I felt like I watched a complete movie

on its own. Say if you compare this to something

like The Matrix and like how that second film

ended and compared to like how this ended, I

think this was like far superior and feeling

like its own cohesive thing. So I was excited

for the next installment, but it's similar to

say like Lord of the Rings, right? Where it ends

up, there's no complete closure, but there's

enough closure to get you through that movie

and get you excited for the next one. Right.

Okay. Yeah, and like I said, I didn't have to

experience that. I didn't have to wait at all,

so I got to see them both back to back. I don't

know how that's going to shape anything I say

from here on out or my opinions, but... Like

you said you had a clear cut Favorite after you

saw them both the first time I would say that

I also have a clear cut favorite after seeing

them both back -to -back and And I'd be interested

to see what has made your opinion change over

the course of time How many times have you seen

each of these films? Would you say like at a

ballpark figure? Oh, man. That's a good question.

I probably saw kill Bill This came out 2003.

I don't know maybe four fourish times probably

around there and probably the same thing completely

through Kill Bill volume two probably around

three. They're probably around the same the same

length. Okay, one thing I did want to back up

a quick sec because Considering the career of

Quentin Tarantino was kind of interesting here

because we talked about the volume thing But

maybe what's even more interesting is the fact

that up to this point Tarantino was just doing

crime films, right? He had he hasn't really broken

out of that genre, but this was his attempt to

do something brand new, getting into martial

arts films and a little bit of spaghetti westerns.

I think, you know, he certainly is showing his

love for those genres for sure, taking a lot

of those common tropes and making his own version

of those. And what my thought, even beyond just

the volume thought, is if you're not a fan of

martial arts films, are you really going to like

Kill Bill Volume One? And I don't know where

you stand on those, so... Overall, just your

overall opinion of these movies. I don't think

we've gotten to that point yet, which is kind

of weird, but up to this point we've given positive

reviews to each of the films and do you feel

like that continues here with Kill Bill Volume

1 and Volume 2 or did you have differing opinions

for these movies? I'm gonna be very borderline

positive on one of them. and a lot more positive

on the other one. So I'd say one of these volumes

is probably the closest we've gotten so far to

a Tarantino film. I wouldn't say... I can't say

a Tarantino film I didn't like because I still

liked it, but as close as we're going to get

to me getting to the average, you know, the five

mark if you're going out of 10. And I think most

of that though is going to be blamed on the fact

that there are certain genres of films I don't...

necessarily care for and I think that would somewhat

cloud my view or influence my opinion. So I don't

think it takes away at the quality of the film

or the filmmaking or that type of stuff, but

I'm typically not a fan of martial arts or kung

-fu movies. So so I did not get a good initial

reaction with Kill Bill 1. I had a feeling that

might happen So what is it about that like that

genre that typically doesn't appeal to you and

it's weird because I do like martial arts I like

watching UFC and MMA and some of that type of

stuff, but it's something about that genre of

films that I Don't know. I don't know if it's

because it was somewhat plain on the genre or

Because not every kung -fu or martial arts film

is I'm trying to figure out a way to word this

it it's not necessarily a genre. That's that's

based in reality, obviously um, which I don't

think is necessarily bad, but I think the combination

of Just not being able to connect with something

that I can't believe even in this universe is

possible or could happen or if it's the extremes

that are taken with with some of the different

with the blood with the gore with the the violent

aspect It's just not I'm not I'm not someone

that likes violence a lot I say that but some

of my favorite movies of all time have a lot

of violence in them but it has to be a certain

type of violence, I guess for me to Latch on

to it kind of talking in circles. Oh, I didn't

mean to make that pun. Sorry But I don't know

I just think it's something that I just can't

latch on to as far as the believability of it

and and Trying to get myself into that world.

I think I would have liked kill Bill one volumes

more again pun not intended if if if we could

take out one sequence and If that sequence is

out of the film, I think I don't have as big

of a issue with it, but it just really took me

out of the film. Is that the the crazy 80s? Yeah,

it just I don't know. You'd have to ask Amanda.

I think there was multiple times where I was

just kind of like throwing my hands up in the

air or rolling my eyes or just I don't know.

It was it was beyond ridiculousness. I know that's

intentional. I know they're doing that on purpose

and I understand that, but I still couldn't enjoy

it. So. That was so how is like a movie like

a superhero film? Like and that's what I'm trying

to wrap my head around because I watch a ton

of film My favorite films are films that are

not based in reality So that's why I'm like I

said, I'm kind of talking to circles because

I'm having a hard time illustrating my point

But like I love science fiction and fantasy films

and none of them are based in reality But for

some reason in those films I can still Put myself

not not like myself physically, but I can still

put my mindset into that world and if if the

world if like the world building has done right

in those films for the most part I can I can

just buy into that whole universe if it's not

done right like in Jupiter ascending I'm still

gonna have problems in it but you know if it's

like a Star Wars or or Lord of the Rings or something

I can I can just get myself into that mindset

where I'm in that world and when it comes to

like Kung Fu and martial arts I just can't do

it for some reason I don't know if it's just

because I didn't if it has something to do with

what I watched growing up or what it is, but

something in my mind just doesn't click where

I can actually get myself into that universe

that they're creating. Interesting, because I

feel like I'm the opposite. I mean, yeah, there's

some fantastic elements when they're like the

top of the wire work and things like that, but

the execution of them are so precise in the choreography.

And to me it is, I never have an issue with the

realism because it's very... specific in the

way it works. And I understand that Marshall

Frims certainly have a style to them that's not

necessarily, you know, universal, you know, they

have the violence thing I can understand because

they don't really hold back. It's gruesome. But

to me, I think what I appreciate violence, something

like Kill Bill compared to another film, like

other films that maybe have it toned down is

that I think it's so over the top that it Becomes

more digestible because it's it's breaks the

barrier. It just becomes ridiculously fun It's

just like it's so over -the -top and and so just

I'm not trying to bail or secure. This is clearly

Blood does not work this way, but body parts

don't don't explode this way, but it fits Well,

I think I think you what you brought up maybe

makes me solidify what I'm thinking a little

bit more because I guess in the same way that

Because you're saying that basically because

it's so ridiculous or because it's obviously

not believable and you know the physics of Blood

and etc do not work this way that it makes it

easier to take them to take the violence or to

take the gore But for me it has the opposite

effect when it becomes something that I Don't

feel is real like I don't feel is is is like

real to life it for me for some reason it's harder

to stomach those violent acts or those blood

scenes or stuff like that because at that point

it's an artistic choice and I don't know for

some reason it's harder it's not like I get queasy

or anything like that but it's just harder for

me to to stomach violence when it's more like

just violence for the sake of of I don't know

it's not violence for the sake of violence because

there is you know there is a point to this and

there is thematic elements going throughout this

and like you said it is expertly done but for

some reason when it is Over the top and ridiculous.

It's just harder for me to stomach in general.

I don't know it reminds me of like I don't know

it just It's harder for me to stomach. It should

be the opposite because what you're saying makes

sense And when it's so ridiculous, you should

be able to say well, this is just ridiculous

So nothing I don't have to feel about any of

this or I don't have to take any of this in but

for me it's worse when I can't like it, you know

American History X and Goodfellas and You know,

all these other movies are violent in a very

real way. That should be more disturbing But

for some reason those are easier for me to stomach

than when it's over the top and easily seem that

it's not real Interesting. Yeah, cuz like I think

of the Curb stomping sequence and like that just

turns my stomach But for this is just it is it

see it turns your sick way kind of turns your

stomach but it's but it's something that for

me is still like It's still real like it's happening

and in this case. Oh, yeah case. It's something

where I feel like well It does we don't have

to see blood Squirting out of someone's head

like a Like a garden hose like like we don't

have to see a fountain of blood like I for me

It's it's more understanding and buying into

the the need for for why we have to do it that

way. I guess Yeah, and I know I'm in the minority

for that So don't so and I'm hoping that that's

not what's painting my opinion on on this entire

film but I feel like It's not just the Kung Fu

or the martial arts part. I think when we break

it down, you see a lot of differences outside

of that between Kill Bill Volume 1 and Volume

2, especially going back to some of the main

traits that we've talked about as far as Tarantino

traits that we've had through the first three

films. I think you can see some of them in 1

and not in 2, and you can see some of them in

2 and not in 1. I'm not sure if that's what ultimately

makes me like Volume 2 so much better, but I

really liked Volume 2. Yeah, I think with volume

one it The thing you don't get and you get some

of the nonlinear storytelling a little bit not

nearly to the same extent But I feel violent

volume one is very stylistically Woven regarding

genre in every way possible from anime to martial

arts it it really sticks to those tropes and

if you don't like those tropes if you you know

if the the whole Style of those genres are not

your cup of tea. It's probably not gonna work

for you But I think one thing you don't get a

lot with the first volume that you'd get a lot

more is that here in a lot of ways, the characters,

maybe in general, maybe you would, are very flat.

You know, we've talked about up to this point,

a lot of Tarantino characters are very interesting.

They've had arcs, especially Jackie Brown. Here,

especially volume one, you have the bride, but

everyone else just kind of has very little dimension

for the most part. Right. I don't necessarily

think that's a bad thing considering, because

I look at Kill Bill both Volume 1 and Volume

2, there are very much movies about movies in

a lot of ways. Volume 1 specifically has a lot

of callbacks to specific genres, the mashing

of anime to martial arts and how that's woven

really well. Volume 2, spaghetti westerns, even

arguably some French New Wave and how... Each

character that she's going through represents

a specific genre and how that works out. So to

me, this is not necessarily a story that's built

upon a character. It's more commenting on the

genres it is kind of living in. So that's kind

of what I really love about them. And then you

mentioned a couple of things that I wanted to

bring up because they are highlights for me if

you go and you take the whole bloody saga together

or the whole bloody affair, I guess I should

say. And that is I love the different. the interweaving

of the different styles throughout the different

chapters. You know, the anime flashback scenes

in Kill Bill 1, for example, going into the black

and white, especially in the beginning of Volume

2. And there's more than that. Those are just

two of the first ones that popped in my mind.

But I love going from the certain styles to the

other ones. Like, I'm not typically someone who

likes anime. But I really liked how they did

that in Kill Bill Volume One. And I think it

added a lot as we were going from chapter to

chapter, as we were seeing it done in like a

different stylistic way, almost like you had

different directors doing parts of the film and

then putting it all together. But it is obviously

all Tarantino. And I think the second part of

that is I don't care if you like or dislike or

love or hate Tarantino. You cannot deny his knowledge

of what you're saying like all the genres. He

is very knowledgeable of the history of these

different genres of you know actors that were

involved in those films of the directors that

were directing those films of the the nuances

of the tropes of the you know just the entire

history of a bunch of these genres and you can

see it not just on the surface but if you really

start digging into some of these films and this

is probably one of the better examples since

you have Two genres in basically volume one and

volume two that you can't deny his uh his knowledge

of these genres and and how he really Puts that

in there and if you start digging you really

get a lot more than you even notice like with

the first watcher on the surface And I think

knowledge and also would say like respect and

he treats these genres with certain reverence

that a lot of people don't like a lot of people

see them as schlock not much more, but I think

he He sees the artistry and some people may not

and he's the techniques that he very much tried

to incorporate into his films. I mean, like the

crazy 80s sequence was shot very much like Hong

Kong style, you know, using multiple cameras

at the same time, interweaving that way, shooting

in sequence, which allows you with a little bit

more freedom and, you know, using the Chinese

condoms to basically explode. So it was kind

of crazy. And so he only used 450 gallons of

false blood. Only yeah, yeah, that's about as

much as was used in rich for our dogs for that

for tomorrow's character but You talked about

knowledge and I guess one complaint. I do see

is that with Tarantino that people and this is

not just this movie, but maybe in general that

his knowledge maybe gets in the way, where it's

just like a kid showing you his favorite scenes

and just replaying them in his films. Do you

get that feeling with Kill Bill where it's not

its own thing? It's just one guy taking ideas

from other movies and just bringing them into

his own? I don't think that's a fair assessment,

really. I mean, I can see where some people might

try to grasp at that and use that as a critique,

but that would be that case if it was done. You

know if it was done with much more careless execution

or with much less attention to detail But this

isn't just someone that says like oh, I loved

I don't use a terrible example, but like oh,

I loved GI Joe when I was a kid So I'm gonna

make a film about GI Joe where that has those

elements in there I mean, that's a terrible example,

but just something something from your childhood.

Yeah We've seen that done And that's that's not

what's happening here This is someone that possibly

did enjoy this as a childhood or grew up, you

know And you know parents or friends expose them

to certain ones of these old films that they

really drew it You know got attached to but it

was someone who it was more of a work of passion

It was it was I'm not just gonna make a film

about a subject. I like I'm going to try to make

a film that showcases and is respectful to something

I liked in this other film or in this other genre.

So, I mean, I don't think when you're doing this

much detail and you're doing this much, what

seems... I don't think you can deny that these

are works of passion for him. This isn't just

a whimsical, I woke up this year and I want to

make a spaghetti western film. Yeah, I think

too if it was that easy if it was just simply

like showing taking scenes from Other like unknown

movies and making them into one you'd see a lot

of other people doing it Successfully, I think

you've seen a lot of people who try to do it

even some of his friends, you know Although Robert

Rodriguez who does not nearly have the same success

that he does and I think even writer Yes would

say he's not nearly the director of Tarantino

because I think like you said with the details

and how he uses his camera and in the performance

he gets out of actors and Speaking of which looking

at Uma Thurman. It's easy to forget how I think

good of a performance she has in this and I know

the creation of Kill Bill was very much her and

Tarantino, you know, it started back in Pulp

Fiction. It was this long process that they went

through and you know, it's six and actually Kill

Bill wasn't supposed to be his next film was

this huge long story, but Kill Bill does feel

like a movie that belongs to both Tarantino and

Uma Thurman and they have a connection. I think

that you that is So rarely seen with an actor

or actress and an actor that they just seem to

Coicide as one like they like her he gets the

best out of her more so than anyone and yeah

She is badass, but I think especially in volume

2 there is more to her character than that and

she feels like a complete person and that she

is has a weak not weakness, but there is a side

of her that's not just this killing machine and

there's you can empathize with her and yeah her

desire is very basic revenge and it doesn't try

to be more than that but getting to see her kind

of get to that point especially in some of the

flashback scenes with her interaction with bill

and seeing this the full arc of her character

i do think it's arguably the best performance

that umar thumrin has given i've been seeing

everything she's done but i think this is her

I think there's no doubt about that. You mentioned

that he's probably the one that's able to get

the most out of her compared to any other director.

That has to be true. Maybe I haven't seen enough

of her films, but I don't know if I've seen any

performance outside of a Tarantino film that

I've liked her in. I'm not saying she's fantastic

in this as far as an actress goes. She's not

an actress I like. But I think but I still think

she's great in both pulp fiction and in Kill

Bill I think her her acting is superb and and

she gives a great performance just something

about her in general I just don't necessarily

care for and I think that that's part of probably

why I didn't watch this for so long But that

was me being stupid. So It could it was a Batman

vs. Robin is just like you keep seeing her as

a couple of those films like that where I'm just

like Yeah, she's she's given some pretty pretty

Which you know, which goes to show you sometimes

it helps I have it when a director and actress

get together, you know bringing up a Obviously,

she's the the main character throughout this

but you mentioned, you know Obviously the hit

list of people that she's she's hunting down

to get her ultimate revenge. Is there Is there

a character or a storyline amongst those that

stands out the most to you or on the opposite

side? Is there one that maybe is the least? rewarding

out of all of those for you That's an interesting

question. I would Would say that the one that

I liked the most is you know, probably it helps

that it's the center of You know the first film

what's of course Lucy lose character. Oh Ryan.

I think like Getting that anime sequence. I think

you get a little bit more of who she is and understand

her character a little bit more I think that

one definitely sets up the the most stakes as

it's because it shows her Lucy lose character

as a pretty formidable opponent and not just

because of the 88 and not just because of her

her right -hand woman and her, I don't know what

you would call the younger girl, but all of her

different people that she has at her side. But

it just sets her up and it takes more time to

set it up compared to some of them that are much

quicker. Yeah, definitely. So I think the stakes

are definitely higher with that one, but continue

with your thought. And I think I also I like

Michael Manson's bud. Just something about him

He's just like schlubby guy and you know, he's

just like bouncer at like the worst I think strip

club ever I don't even know what he was in it

looks like a script club class like dive bar

and But like yeah, you think he's just gonna

Get what you know, he's like this guy's gonna

be killed immediately cuz he how can he stand

up to her? There's more to him than you anticipate.

And so just Michael Madsen, it's similar to him

with Thurman. He's best when he's working with

Tarantino too. It's like he just has an attitude

or to him that it just, I don't know. Like I

usually don't like his deadpan delivery. It works

with Tarantino films when it doesn't with mostly

everything else he does. And the interesting

thing about him is like he said, he comes across

as this kind of schlubby. Not as not nearly as

formidable as Lucy Lou comes across But I would

almost say that over the course of this he might

be the the smartest opponent she comes up against

because He's not blinded by some At least for

me that what I can't what I took away from it

was he was not as blinded by his own Ego or his

own vision of him being a badass. He you know

even in the scenes where he says She deserves

revenge. You know what I mean? Like he he's able

to remove himself from it a little bit and say

Look, we you know, she was done wrong and she's

gonna kill all of us and but you haven't by any

justice in a way swordplay Yeah Upon that years

ago you hawked a Hattori Hanzo sword It was priceless.

Well, not in El Paso, it ain't. In El Paso, I

got me $250 for it. I'm a bouncer in a kiddie

bar, Bill. If she wants to fight with me, all

she's gotta do is come down to the club and start

some shit, and we'll be in a fight. I know we

haven't spoken in some time. And the last time

we spoke wasn't the most pleasant. But you've

got to get over being mad at me. And start becoming

afraid of... Because she is coming. And she's

coming to kill you. And unless you accept my

assistance, I have no doubt she will succeed.

and I don't chew out of hand my comeuppance.

Can't we just forget the past? That woman deserves

her revenge. And we deserve to die. But I mean,

he still does have a little bit of an ego because

he still thinks he's gonna come out on top and

he still thinks he's got the upper hand on people

but there are little moments where you can almost

see where he's not necessarily like like Darrell

Hannah or Lucy Lou where they just seem like

they don't even consider the fact that they're

gonna You don't mean that this is legit what's

happening to them? Do you have do you have same

question to you? I guess it sounds like you do

like Michael Madsen's character. Were there anyone

specifically you weren't a fan of or I don't

know. Well, just real quick to to say probably

my other favorite one besides Michael Madison.

I mean, you can't deny the performance given

by David Carradine in this. Oh, yeah, I guess

I didn't even. That's why I don't know if you

can even call him out because he's just amazing

in this film, especially in volume two. So, I

mean, I don't know if there's one. I mean, obviously,

I didn't care for as much the kung fu scenes

or the martial arts scene. So I guess it would

be easy to say Lucy Lu. But like I said, I think

she's she's set up as. One of the most formidable

foes and I like the whole story of that leads

up to that. So I mean, I don't know I maybe Darrell

Hannah's character but That's not necessarily

fair because there's not a great deal of time

spent on that one Yeah, I think you like it gives

you just a little bit like she's almost like

the You know the polar opposite of of the brighter

beauty kid alec certain similar style same trainer

And she did have a heck of an improv scene though

when that high comes out apparently that was

all improv and Tarantino kept all of it Nice

nice. I did not know. Yeah, she just uh, and

I guess she had a bunch of injuries from everything

She broke in that bathroom I could imagine. Yeah,

I could imagine I don't think maybe besides Lucy's

loot like the characters are necessarily dramatically

all about death But I do like how I didn't even

know this until like just recently as we're getting

prepared for this really researching the film

and knowing that each of these movie characters

are a representation of a different genre and

never even occurred to me but looking at it now

it makes so much more sense and Especially when

you look at how the film ends up reflecting the

character that's on that is it's focusing on

I think that's like a really interesting trick

that I Even if you don't know it's there like

I didn't it's effective, but knowing it I think

it makes a little bit even more fun Yeah, I do

and that's just like I said goes back to the

the detail and the passion that he's putting

into what he's trying to do with this film or

these films and definitely create something that

I think is for someone who's a cinephile or anybody

that's into movies like this presents so many

opportunities to pick out more more and more

things on rewatch after rewatch or in you know

doing research for it and this that and the other

so it's a definitely um has some satisfaction

on multiple layers it's not just uh it's not

just a bloody action film within its bloodiness

there is like some just like gorgeous cinematography

all over the place i thinking of with the adh

sequence when it goes into the like the uh So

the wet sequence like the black and the blue

and black I thought that was it looked gorgeous

the final sequence with within the white snow

and you have like the water I don't even know

we call it like the water pump like right dipping

every so often and I just it's just And that's

the only noise you really get I think that's

a really brilliantly shot scene. It just looks

fantastic and especially when you add in like

the blood it just gives in a little bit more

of a It's just a little bit more aesthetic appealing

that way. But Tarantino knows how to get good

DPs. And I think that's the case for both of

these movies that each each scene is just gorgeous

to look at. I hesitate to even bring this up

because but I think it's a good thing to talk

about and touch upon because it's one of the

more highly contested aspects of the movie. And

that's if Kill Bill is a feminist film, which

is I know it's a it's a it's a trigger word if

the internet I understand that but So I I thought

you know, it would be fair if I got a I got a

little article Snip it from an article here from

Melissa Melissa huge from amic .com Two guys

discussing feminist film can be kind of dangerous

So I figured get an outside source and we maybe

discuss it, but this is what she said regarding

Although Tarantino presents the audience with

a strong female role model, the bride's strength

is still predicated upon being a victim. Her

suffering at the hands of men is what sets her

in her rampage of emotion, and as such, her strength

is still ultimately dependent upon men. and kill

Bill, Bill and to some extent Buck, hold power

over the bride, regardless of how many people

she has killed with her katana. What's more,

even in exacting her revenge, the bride is demonized.

We root for her, but we are appalled by her methods.

How many innocent people must die for her quest

for vengeance? So it seems in this one of her

biggest complaints was that the bride, her strength

still comes from being a victim and that in a

way is very much the old model of feminism where

it's the idea that become a hero, you must first

be a victim, especially when it comes to her

being a victim of rape in the hospital. Personally,

I'll just give my opinion before I throw it to

you is that I feel watching Kill Bill is that

it never intended or had any intention to even

approach the topic of feminism. Yeah. You know,

she's called a bride, but in a way her gender

never really played a part. She was just a character

and exacting revenge against someone and it wasn't

the fact that she was a woman. It was just she

was true. It wasn't even really incorporated

the character that much. I think that's what

I liked about it. So I don't think it ever intended

to be feminism. I mean, some people could say

it failed at doing it, but I think it's to me,

it sounds like people incorporating what they

want out of the film and then saying it fails

at doing that, which is kind of weird to me.

Yeah, this is not a hero quest. This is not a

film about a character trying to be turned into

a hero. This is a revenge movie. This is a revenge

story. And I think that is completely lost on

people that are saying that because you say that

she's getting her power or whatever from from

the men in a way. But being a man. or those characters,

some of them being men, has nothing to do with

that. She is getting revenge on people that wronged

her, regardless of if they're white, black, female,

male, whatever. You know, a certain group of

people wronged her and she's fueled because of

the revenge aspect. So, I mean, it doesn't really,

to me, have anything to do with gender at that

point. Two of the people she's going after are

women. So you could say that those two women

were fueling her. Her power in some respects.

I mean, I don't know. I think if this was a movie

that was trying to set her up as a hero, then

maybe I guess you could read some of that into

it, but it's a revenge film, and I've never seen

a revenge film where the main person is not motivated

by the people that wronged them. Yeah, yeah,

you don't don't see really revenge films where

it's like I really want to get revenge on that

guy because they were super nice Yeah, I mean

and when it's a guy when it's a when it's Mel

Gibson and payback or when it's whoever and Liam

Neeson in every movie he's ever been in yeah,

I'm just kidding He's been in a lot of great

films But you know, we don't we don't make similar

things that you know, if it's a female that did

him wrong We don't make it into it. I don't know.

That's that's a silly thing to say I think about

this film Yeah, I get the the one complaint I

do get which it was which is more expanded upon

in the full article So I will say that maybe

I cheated and took things out of context but

the issue with Yeah, I know which it's the the

problem I see a lot of people have is with her

being a comatose and being a victim in the sense

of when You have basically this person using

her as like a sex. I don't know like a basically

using through sex trafficking and having people

come and have that happen. And some people argue

that it's just, it's not treated with the seriousness

it needs to be. And I would say I could understand

that, but I feel like that's consistent with

the movie because it's like, this is a movie

where like heads are chopped off and arms are

chopped off. And that's not taken with all that

seriousness either. It's a world where bad things

happen and people don't dwell on them. They just

kind of move. They're just... Driven to the next

thing, right? So that's to me the I understand

maybe that you know Did he need to do that? Did

he need to have that portion of the movie for

the bride? Yeah, maybe not but I I can understand

why the argument that maybe it's cheap I get

that more so than the argument that the bride

that you can't make her a victim because that's

kind of like you said How do you make your friend

film with someone who's on a bit, right? Yeah,

that's an interesting an interesting idea though

and I can see what you're saying with the with

the hospital scenes especially but I Think drawing

any more out of it is trying to create something

Yeah, yeah, I think especially when you look

at where this movie is coming from it's a movie

that's both worked with him with her and in you

know Quentin Tarantino It's this is being just

based upon you know interviews on reading and

and whatnot. I don't think that's ever Concerned

for them. I think they were just trying to make

a movie that was personal to them and then people

are taking things the way they want, so. We talked

about a little bit already that there obviously

are some Tarantino trademarks in this film. We've

talked about in every film how, you know, certain

parts being written for certain people. Obviously

the character of the Bride is written for Uma

Thurman. That's the only person it was ever intended

to be. So we have stuff like that that's following

through. If you're looking at the overall course

of both volumes though, what other things that

we've talked about with Tarantino as far as kind

of trademark things that he does in films. Which

ones are you seeing present in these and which

ones maybe do you see not present for the first

time in the Kill Bill films? Or is there any?

I think in Kill Bill Volume 1, it's the first

movie he made where dialogue is very, not nearly

as important part as it is in other films. You

have it here and there. You don't really give

those conversations as much. You get those with

Volume 2. You do in volume to get those random

pop culture references with David Carradine,

you know Bills silky about Superman that might

be my favorite Dialogue in the whole the whole

yeah. Yeah, and I think that's like though You

don't get a lot of that in this movie get a little

bit but I think you know with it being a different

genre what you're seeing a lot more so is This

is where I think he he get a little bit of the

more fetishization of if that's even a like on

the violent aspect of that gore that he likes

and just the action so this is a birthing of

a lot of new Tarantino elements for per se like

the hyper realism and just taking you know a

genre that is foreign to many Americans and bringing

it in and And also, too, you get a lot of longer

takes. I think Volume 1 has that infamous one

long shot throughout the nightclub going in and

out of bathrooms and whatnot, which I think is

brilliantly made. And it's weird because at first

it's kind of like, what's going on here? They're

just kind of walking around, but eventually I

think it starts making sense. But I think the

one thing you do see overall, though, is that

it's the first Tarantino film that doesn't necessarily

Put character first for the most part you just

have our characters first. It's character It's

singular until the very end of it where it becomes

killed bill and the bride Where all those other

films have been kind of in more of an ensemble?

Yeah, I agree with that and and I definitely

saw the same thing as far as when the dialogue

Aspect comes into it. I think that's another

thing that maybe made me Little bit more down

on volume one compared to volume two because

I am someone who just loves dialogue and any

type of genre But I understand what you're saying

as far as why maybe it's not as present in the

first volume You know it's that genre just wouldn't

have as much of that dialogue traditionally as

us You know as the genre represented in volume

two But I definitely pick up on the fact that

volume one for the first time was a little bit

jarring that I didn't get the some of the dialogue

that I'm Spoiled with or that I've been used

to so far in our trek through this Don't think

though it loses the the comedy moments that we

get in a lot of the other films amongst the gore

amongst the action You know whether it's the

spitting back and forth in each other's faces

That happens a couple different times whether

it the way some of the people you know go out

Even if I don't like the crazy 88 scene there's

a lot of humor in there a lot of stuff that is

done for The humor aspect of it possibly So I

mean, I still think you get some of the humor

that we've seen, and you definitely get some

of the music. I know he basically used, I think

he's quoted in some type of interview or something

saying that basically he was only using music

that had appeared in previous films of his. But

I still think it was effective. I love the pan

flute that we got in the first volume. That was

great. The question is, did you saw these films

before the Vonage commercial was popular, right?

Yeah, because that's where that's from. That's

funny because I was watching this again. I'm

like, I remember this being used for something,

but I can't remember what it was being used for.

But yeah, okay. I've seen it this many years

after I'd seen the Vonage commercial. That's

all I could think about when I'm hearing that.

I'm like, why? Why would he use this? But that

was before probably. So I mean, you get some

of the music, you get some of the humor, you

get character development in a different way,

but it's still there. Like you said, it's more

focused on one, but it's still Does a good job

of delving into that character and really does

give an arc with her and more layers with her

It's it's a revenge thing, but it's not she's

not necessarily the same person from beginning

to end You do get some progression And some development

of her. So I think you get that silly I think

dialogue would probably be one of the biggest

things that That maybe is gone for at least volume

one. I think it comes back Pretty strong in volume

two that kind of makes up for it. But anything

else that you notice whether it was there or

not there or better or worse? Nothing really

really comes to mind I do think in in this the

the second half often with it's you know, if

within a turn to movie It's usually the second

half of a movie make something else in the first

half make more sense in this It's two separate

films, but I think with volume two it does it

does increase what has come before because it

ends up giving a lot of heart and a lot of emotion

that wasn't there previously and fulfills a lot

of the empty spaces that you had in the first

one where it was just kind of basic this happened

and then now this is happening and this is kind

of filling in those spots. And with previous

Tarantino movies that was done within one movie

and here kind of in one movie but separately

since it's two different volumes. Right. And

I think the other thing that we had mentioned

in some of the previous episodes that definitely

carries through here is when it comes to casting,

and it's not just the writing of certain roles

for certain people, but like you said, the casting

of people that you necessarily wouldn't think

would be in popular demand in the years that

these films were being done, whether it's Daryl

Hannah or David Carradine or some of these people

that just follows what you had been saying about

Tarantino and all the previous episodes, that

he has a knack for picking out someone that would

work perfect for the role he has in his mind.

What's interesting to because I think for bill

I think one of the original ideas was having

Warren baby in that war Something that Kevin

Costner turned it down, too Yeah, and then Carradine

became it and I know he said he changed a lot

to fit Carradine Which I could see cuz Carradine

has a certain cadence about him or you know He

what do you think you'd like that'd be the first

person he go to knowing his kung fu background

But you know, who knows? I I did have a question

though. This is called kill Bill, right and How

did you feel? about when that action finally

takes place and we see Bill killed. You know,

we've had a lot of these huge gigantic action

set pieces, but with Bill, not necessarily so

much. Did you find that anticlimactic or did

you feel like it was more fitting and intimate?

No, I actually I actually didn't find it anticlimactic

at all. I actually liked the fight. I like to

almost almost. like the last two or three interactions

or fight scenes that they give us. And I thought

the one at the end was pretty epic. You know,

even if it's not as prolonged as some of the

other ones, I just think from the moment there,

from the moment she comes out of her daughter's

room and he's holding the sword until his last

moment, I thought all of that was really well

done. That's some of my favorite moments of the

film. So I didn't find it, you know, yeah, it's

not necessarily like this epic drawn out thing

and You know, I could see how some people might

call it anti -climactic given the given some

of the deaths that we've seen previously But

I thought it was perfect. So yeah, I I love just

the the inevitability of it when he realizes

what happens and just like the acceptance of

it and I do think it too it it almost Get you

to the point at least I was at the point where

I'm like, you know what? I'd be okay if you don't

kill bill because there's something likable about

him in a weird way like he You know seeing him

as a dad. I think maybe is a kind of a cheat

but So when that vengeance does happen, I think

it's not as fulfilling but in the sense that

He wasn't that evil that maybe we were thinking

he was going to be there was more to him than

that which I think it goes into just the idea

of revenge and how it's not necessarily as a

Sweet as you hope it would be. No. Yeah, I agree

with that for sure. But yeah, I don't Because

I can see where some people might say it but

I don't I don't see it I saw it as a fitting

end But like you said I could see it happening

either way where he would it wouldn't have necessarily

been any worse if he Had somehow walked away

from this either. I don't think that would have

taken away from it Anything else you wanted to

bring up? I just had a couple things I wanted

to bring up. I wanted to get your take on the

bleeping of Uma Thurman's character's name. It

was a little weird. I remember seeing it for

the first time being like, why did that happen?

Was that a mistake? Wait. I never died. That's

one thing I still don't completely understand.

I was like, am I am I missing something? Because

I don't get it. I think it is somewhat clever

that, you know, he calls her kiddo at the beginning

and you just kind of think, oh, it's just like,

you know, a term of endearment. They just call

her kiddo. So, I mean, name is said right away.

We just don't know it. But every time that happened,

I was like, what is going on? I don't understand.

And I just felt like I was missing something

the entire time. Yeah, I don't know if that's

again, but Tarantino kind of referencing something

else or something like that. But yeah Yeah, so

I was just I just had to ask you that because

I didn't want to go to bed tonight thinking I

was the only one I was missing that out I did

have some some other questions that are more

on the just random fun den and This is one see

we need to talk about but I don't to me the bearing

alive scene is just that's It's creepy because

just how it happens in real time. It's just you

just I totally read that scene wrong at first,

I thought they had dug that hole so deep that

they were going to put her in a coffin and then

put the other coffin on top of her and then fill

it with dirt. I was like, this is beyond extreme

here, guys. I was having a problem. I'm like,

wait, how are we going to explain her getting

past one coffin and then through another coffin?

But that's not what happened. I was just reading

that whole scene wrong. Yeah, but considering

considering that you know getting buried alive.

What do you what do you think would be worse

getting buried alive or getting your eye plucked

out? Man that is a tough choice. That's like

what's better burning alive or drowning man?

I mean you have to think about it a lot more

when you're buried alive I guess I guess the

eye pullout is pretty instant, but for me it

would be pretty easy I guess I think it would

be worse to be buried alive because if my eyes

plucked out I'm passing out And I'm going to

be woken up at some point with all kinds of drugs

in me. So maybe it'll hurt, but it's not going

to be as agonizing, I don't think, because I'm

going to immediately be out unconscious. Yeah,

like, yeah, I don't know. I think it's really

bugged me like that. I don't know that that idea.

It grossed me. I think it more grosses me out

of the fact of. Believing someone literally not

from the person that's losing the eye, but the

person that's actually taking the eye out Like

how do you do that? Yeah, it just feels weird.

It's like a it's like a sour grape or something

Yeah, so I'd probably go the same way just because

it's more instant. But yeah, it's still kind

of gross other random question if what would

be your snake ninja code names That's tough,

you know, you know, there was an article or some

type of trivia somewhere about the how some of

them had much more intimidating snake names than

the others, like some of them aren't even venomous

or poisonous. Yeah, because that would be me,

because I'd be like the gardener because my bike,

my bike has no venom. I don't know. Man, I don't

know. I always thought the rattlesnake sounded

kind of cool, but I don't know why that would

be something I would be called. I don't know

all my snakes well enough. I mean, I'm not going

to try to say that I would be Cobra or Python

or anything like that, but let's go with the

rattlesnake. That sounds fun. Yeah, that works,

that works. Alright, let's see if there's anything

else. I had one question for you while you're

thinking. Sure, go ahead. I was just curious.

Obviously, you have, you know, there's a daughter

in this film, you know, a small child, and you

have a very small child. So as Connor gets older,

are you going to be showing him Shogun Assassin?

On repeat. At night, to go to bed? No, I'm going

to hold off on that. You know, I think that's

something more, you know, teenage years or so.

If he discovers it by himself, I feel like, you

know, if things keep going the way they are with,

like, the internet, that'd be like nothing. It'd

be like, uh, wow. That's the moment where all

of your sentimentality for David Carradine or

for Bill's character as a father goes out the

window. You're like, what are you doing, sir?

I'm like, there's other, we'll watch Three Ninjas,

you know, that ninja movie. That's maybe age

-appropriate. That's much better. Yeah. This

also breaks one other mold that we've seen in

all the other Tarantino films. According to the

article I read, this is the first film of his

that has less than 100 uses of the word fuck.

Again, it goes back to the dialogue thing. There's

less of it, so of course you used it. They only

used it 17 times in this film. But I think they

made up for it because I think they killed either

95 or 98 people. That's the thing. It's either

the F word or violence. It's like you gotta choose

your product. More fun trivia too is that they

apparently spent on their budget, they spent

$60 ,000 on swords and sword accessories. Interesting.

I don't know what a sword accessory would be.

Is that just the whole, like the sheath? Sword

holster I think it's a call to sheep and One

more piece of information just trivia wise that

I want to give out Robert Rodriguez did the score

for this for a dollar. Oh Yes, and because of

that Tarantino did Agree to direct part of Sin

City for a dollar Yeah, I guess what it said

so I thought that was kind of interesting. I

guess too. It's part of the being part of the

guilds or whatever, you can't do anything for

free and get credit for it or whatever. Right,

so you get something, so a dollar was what it

was. And my last little bit, I probably said

the last little bit last time, but my last trivia

character said that Uma Thurman may not last

five minutes before that fight scene, and apparently

it was exactly four minutes and 59 seconds until

Lucy Lu died. Yeah, I mean again that goes to

the attention the detail that you would work

that in I think that's cool Yeah, so it comes

down to the nitty -gritty I know you know imagine

you volume 1 did not work nearly as much for

you as volume 2 did I I feel like I didn't explain

that Volume 2 I did ended up finding that Over

time I ended up liking a lot more mostly because

I feel it's over and we watch there's just more

meat to that bone and it just I feel like you

like the having that dialogue It's just you know,

it's like music to my ears and just in getting

the Western setting is a little bit more appealing

to me I love martial arts films, but I just I

just thematically. I felt like everything came

together in that second portion of it so I think

the first one's a lot of fun but it doesn't have

as it after rewatch you kind of you're just just

watching it for the the choreography and well

and the second one has you know you said the

first one has a lot of fun but this thing is

it's not like the second one has less fun for

me yeah I'd agree yeah I think there are it's

just a different varied yeah and it there where

the first one is a lot of style I'd you know

there's not much substance but I think Volume

2 kind of balances them out a lot, but a lot

more. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it.

So if you were going to grade Kill Bill's Volume

1 and Volume 2, what grades would you give them?

All right. Before I give my grades out, I want

to just, you know, we reached out to try to think

of... what other people thought about the two

volumes. I was interested to see because I wanted

to see how I kind of lined up or didn't line

up with people. You know, if you just look at

Rotten Tomatoes wise, they're both almost exact

same for critics. Kill Bill Volume 1 is at 85

% and Kill Bill Volume 2 is at 84%. So there's

only a 1 % difference there. If you take the

audience score, Kill Bill Volume 1 is 80 and

Kill Bill Volume 2 is 89. So a little bit more

of a difference in the audience score. Which

is funny. I would assume it was the opposite,

honestly. That's interesting. I would have thought

that too. And we also reached out on Twitter

to ask people what volume they preferred out

of the two. And we did get quite a few responses.

I just wanted to take a quick start before we

give our grades to read a few of those. This

one comes from Chris Murphy. And his answer was

volume one. He says it's more consistent tonally,

more fun, and less self -indulgent. Also has

a beautiful anime scene interesting Salem night

She liked the second one better DJ Valentine

had probably a one that we would agree with pretty

right on I think is he hit it on the head He

said if you want a great karate flick watch kill

Bill one if you want a Tarantino flick watch

kill Bill volume two He said I love them both.

It's just really a question of what mood you're

in Sometimes I want to see ass -kicking sometimes.

I want great dialogue Yeah, I think that's pretty

much what we said for the last hour. I would

you could have said it in one Yeah, we should

just should have got DJ right from the beginning

and we could have saved everybody some time of

listening to us drone on And then the last one

was spoilers with Matt and that was His pick

was volume one, but he said it's tough, but he

did say which I kind of disagree with him He

says also both have equally same amount of great

dialogue Yeah, I think there are Pieces within

the first one, but I don't think it it it has

the I guess when I say dialogue I'm thinking

conversations. Yeah, I think that There aren't

as many conversations and the first one was there

in the second So a mixed group there some people

saying one some people saying two as for my grades

I think I've made it somewhat obvious that two

is gonna high score slightly higher for me for

Volume one. I'm probably in the right around

a six out of ten Like I said, it's going to be

the lowest score I've given out so far in our

retrospective. My immediate reaction actually

would have probably been a five out of ten, but

it grew a little on me as I thought more about

it and as I kind of dissected it a little bit.

And volume two is closer for me to like a seven

and a half, seven, right between seven and eight

somewhere in there. So I like volume two, I think.

It would be tough for me. I'd have to go back

and forth between Volume 2 and Jackie Brown to

see which one of those I like better. I'm leaning

slightly towards Kill Bill Volume 2 right now,

but that would be kind of where I rank them.

I don't think either one of them reaches Reservoir

Dogs or Pulp Fiction for me personally. What

about you? I think Volume 2 comes close, but

I would agree that they're not. Upper Echelon

Tarantino, but for me volume one would be an

eighth and volume two would be an eight point

five so I think I'm a little bit of a What's

the opposite of the French judge? But that's

also you coming after seeing it one time and

that's me seeing it right, you know five or six

something like I said Halfway through this is

a type of film that couldn't grow on you because

there's a lot you can get on rewatches Or as

you become more educated in the in the genres

that are being touched on here I think it has

a type of thing that could increase over time

with people. So definitely definitely for sure

and what's gonna be most intriguing as we get

into his next film with which is death -proof

is that Critically is probably his most pinned

from the date. You know, there's obviously a

bomb as it was tied into someone who we talked

about earlier today with Robert Rodriguez So

I'd be curious to see you know, how you feel

about that one because that's one movie I've

only seen once and so I'm really looking forward

to going back No, I don't and it's been a very

long time Yeah, so I'm looking I'm looking it's

the one movie. He has it's not currently streaming

So don't know that's why that is and this will

mark the the last of the of his films I believe

that I haven't seen so so you've seen glorious

and Jenga Jenga right so this will be the last

of my first -time experiences, but it's it's

a it's been fun And I've liked them. I've liked

Jackie Brown more than I thought I would I'd

like at least kill Bill volume two more than

I thought I would So we'll see how this next

one There's death proof death proof is definitely

gonna be the the true test will You know will

be the first one you get a negative score to

because if you were gonna start this off. I think

it'd be If you ask people, what is the worst

Tarantino movie, most people would go to Death

Proof, but some say, you know, like Jackie Brown.

Jackie Brown has his supporters, so does Death

Proof. Yeah, I disagree with the people that

were against Jackie Brown, so we'll see. Yeah,

so we'll see next week if we're with those supporters

or with those detractors as we continue our Quentin

Tarantino retrospective. But if you want to get

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