Quentin Tarantino Retrospective Django Unchained Review

Hey, this is Steve Broome, and you are listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. Hello and welcome

to cinema geeks as we continue our Quentin Tarantino

retrospective today we are going to review Quentin

Tarantino's actually technically right now his

latest film Django Unchained but before we get

to our view let's go over who's here you have

me of course movie revolt Dan and joining me

as always is Kevin Optimus Solo how's it going

man it's going great man We are getting down

to the nitty -gritty our last movie before we

get to our view I can't believe we've already

gone through his career a lot quicker than he

did to me I guess yeah, I mean it seems like

this was gonna be At first I mean you think about

talking about however many movies this is what

is this? Yeah, and it seems like that would take

a while, but it seems like we've just started

it like yesterday We're through it already, so

that was impressive Yeah, very nice, very nice.

If this is the first time joining us, this is

our Quentin Tarantino Retrospective and we have,

at this point, have reviewed every Quentin Tarantino

movie starting at Reservoir Dogs and coming up

to Django Unchained so make sure to check those

out. Let's just start each of these with a question

and I know Django Unchained was one of the few

films we went into this that you saw already

and they say a lot of times with Quentin Tarantino

movies The ones you kind of have to watch more

than once and I would argue Django Unchained

is probably the best example of that mainly because

in the you know the last act it takes a drastic

turn and I know for some people that turn was

a little bit too sharp for them and on rewatch

it maybe became better or maybe on rewatch it

became even more apparent that you're watching

movies that maybe didn't Correspond with one

another so knowing this is your second time going

into this. This is the Last week we talked about

cohesion. Do you feel that cohesion is greater?

Or do you feel watching it a second time? You

do seem to notice just how off the rails technically

it might get at the last 30 minutes or so It's

a good question. Actually a probably a perfect

question for this film specifically like you

said and I gotta admit, my experience with Django

Unchained, maybe not to the level, the same level

that you talked about last week, but my first

viewing of Django Unchained had some similarities

and some connections with your first viewing

of Inglorious Basterds. I don't think it was

quite to that same level. I didn't probably have

as big of a distaste for it as you did in your

first viewing of Inglorious Basterds, but I did

have a problem with parts of that last act the

first time I watched it. Let me add the little

asterisks with that, that my problem was not

with the cohesion or not with the differences

that you feel from the last act compared to the

other ones. It wasn't as far as it feeling like

two films or anything like that. My issue the

first time watching it with the last act was

more so specific plot choices or decisions that

were made with characters or with little parts

of the story and not so much the overall feeling.

but like you said the second watch sometimes

can change that and I didn't nearly have as big

of an issue with the next watch of that and especially

viewing the last act specifically so I never

had an issue with it from a cohesion standpoint

or from a you know kind of continuity as far

as the the feel and the look and the atmosphere

of the film but the first time I did question

Like I said, and we'll get into it more specifically

some of the individual decisions in the story

And I still might it still might not have been

what I would have chosen But I didn't it didn't

affect me in a negative way like it did the first

time so it was it was a better experience the

on the rewatch I don't know. What about you?

I would say the the first time I watched it it

was rather shocking because it's like wow, this

is really You know going all out to violence

wise because at this point it was it was kind

of laid back I mean there was certain certainly

violence to it. No doubt, but right in that last

act It's like I think he used as many squibs

as possible. It was like the violence almost

to a comedic level, but rewatching I have this

is actually I saw this movie in theaters three

times the watch it one time and then a friend

wanted to see it so I saw it again and then the

third time was when I do the best picture showcase

so it was included that as well so and every

time I've watched it that that jump has become

less and less shocking or jarring it all kind

of makes sense more and more I mean partially

is that I know it's coming but I think it you

kind of see the build up and I think what what

really ends up working for me and why it Don't

have maybe the problems with some people doing

this is I just adore nearly every musical choice

that Tarantino has in this I know he's known

for that but I would argue that this may be his

best use of music ever in this film and I know

that's a lofty acclimate to give to something

but just the eclectic choices he makes that so

many people have tried to do the Using modern

music in a period piece and it often never works

because I think why it tends to not work is because

They use it they use modern music and then the

characters themselves are also modern the way

they talk It doesn't feel all the time. But with

this very much of the time. It's for whatever

reason it does and plus There's not just one

type of it's not just a rock. It's there's hip

-hop You know classic rock to it just Western.

Yeah Western there It's a unique blend and it

just I don't know again to Tarantino Or when

he's doing the scenes, he's playing the music

to go along with it. So it all flows It has it

does have that music video quality, which is

usually a negative but in this it works and I

don't know I that's to me is what I love most

about this walking out I just especially like

the John Legend song at the end. It just I don't

know There's it just gives it an energy that

really makes it work for me Yeah, I have music

written down at least three times in my notes

for this one as well I had music written down

a lot for I believe it was in glorious bastards

as well But yeah, it's one of the first things

I wrote down about this film and then one of

the last things I wrote down about it as well

So I'm right with you with it with the music

as well I thought it was very well handled in

this film and it was one of those where it it

both blended into the movie so it wasn't taking

you away from it or it wasn't taking you out

of the moment but at the same time still memorable

enough that even though it was blending into

the film you still remembered what was playing

at what point and this that and the other so

i mean i thought it was a very he showed a lot

of finesse and craft with how and and How he

put it in and where he put it in and and all

that so yeah, this is one I don't own a lot of

soundtracks But this is actually one soundtrack

I own largely because of the John Lunden song

is it only can be gone on the Django unchanged

Soundtrack, but okay. Yeah, but I do I do quite

enjoy the soundtrack overall Interesting that

along with the music since we're talking about

it I was trying to do my my research for the

for the episode and and try to find as much information

trivia Etc about the film and I actually the

composer Said he would probably never collaborate

with Tarantino again after this film. He was

quoted as saying he didn't like the way the writer

and director places music in his films without

coherence and never giving enough time. I can

kind of see that because he does like he does

jump from one song to the next a lot. And that's

more so probably than ever. But I do enjoy it.

But I can see as a composer where that one might.

drive you nuts because it's like like he doesn't

give anything like that kind of breathe he kind

of just goes from one to the next the interesting

thing about that was the composer had already

worked with Tarantino on three other movies so

yeah i don't know if this is just the straw that

broke the camel's back and he didn't bind on

the other films or what but like i said i think

it all worked though with what he was doing here

but i can see where like you said where he's

coming from but um just from a fan's perspective

in a you know a film goer i think it works for

me for the experience Yeah, and I think he's

actually helping out. I believe with it as well

So maybe he must not have minded it so bad. Yeah,

because then he got the check I Feel I feel perfectly

fine with this but up to this point, you know,

this is Tantino's first venture into John into

the genre of Western You know, he's done a lot

obviously crime Kung Fu, you know to the Grindhouse

movies last time we talked about you know, it's

what we're too epic I mean going into this are

you a fan of the Western genre is the one you

kind of are limited on like Because I know that

in itself can skew your opinion one way or another.

It's so weird This is like one of the weirdest

parts of probably my my film history of watching

films, etc Western is probably one of my favorite

genres of just anything But for some reason I

just have not watched a lot of Westerns like

it makes absolutely no sense I was a huge fan

of anything Western on TV when I was a kid Anything

that was based in a western setting, time period,

etc. I would watch any of it. But there are so

many old classic westerns that I have not seen.

I do remember growing up and seeing some of the

older stuff. My mom was a big fan of westerns,

so I was exposed to a little of it. But I have

hardly ever seen any of the John Wayne films.

And there's some big old blank spaces in... Western

genre like kind of classic films that I haven't

seen I've seen more most of the recent ones You

know since since I was born I've seen most of

the stuff that's come out, but I'm a huge fan

of Western TV stuff I'm a huge fan of Western

movies. I'm a huge fan of that time period just

as a history person So so I do enjoy the genre

I just don't know why I have not seen more Westerns

in general funny cuz I'm not that far off you

I've watched That's some classic questions. There's

a huge amount. I haven't like like John for his

catalog I mean, he's made a trillion movies,

but there's a lot so many Westerns there are

I mean people complain about superhero movies

But there's like a Western every day back in

the day when they made like a trillion movies

a year According to Tarantino though. This is

not he doesn't call us a Western. Yeah a southern

It's Tarantino being in Tarantino. All right.

All right, I get you tell yourself that But I

mean Those mountains that they're in are not

from the south. I don't know I Mean I mean partially

yes, it does take place in the south but uh No,

but I was I was all about this as a genre for

him to go into and that's one of the reasons

why I'm so excited about the hateful eight was

because of I Think it was an interesting blend,

you know You often find people having those conversations

about I've seen it on a few different podcasts

or probably on the Internet pages, you know,

here and there. But, you know, if you could take

some director and take them out of their regular

thing and have them do some other genre and you'll

hear people say, you know, oh, I'd love to see

such and such do a superhero film or I'd love

to see, you know, such and such do a horror film

or whatever. It's like you don't get that with

Tarantino because he already has done like every

other genre, it seems like. But yeah. And even

within his genre or genre, I mean, I mean, Kill

Bill has a lot of Western influence within itself.

And I mean, this too has a lot of influence from

like black sportation as well. It's like a black

sportation within a Western film. So he can't

contain himself to one genre. Well, if he had

not done all those genres, and if that's not

kind of what he was known for was bouncing from

here to there, this would have been like if I

was to have that conversation like before this

was ever an idea. That I can I can see myself

saying oh, I'd love to see Tarantino do a Western

Yeah, just because it seems like it would be

a cool matchup. Yeah. Yeah, and I agree and You

know my west background is similar to yours I

like my favorite Westerns are like once about

time I'm in the West probably all my favorite

like but there's a huge amount I haven't yet

to see and I hope to help to catch up with more

But I guess I just have to be in the mood for

Western, you know, like there's tend to be a

lot longer They're slower. So it's hard to getting

Getting the right mindset to watch them and growing

up my dad was like into Roy Rogers and stuff

like that So I saw a lot of that type of stuff.

So I think I've been to the Roy Rogers Museum

Wow. Yeah, I couldn't tell you where it is. I

think it's in Oklahoma, but it sounds about right

If I'm sure there's multiple ones and that might

be one of them, but we see a lot of like returning

elements here and uh one of the biggest of course

is christoph waltz and you know he became he

became huge with with of course uh glorious bastards

last time and here he's coming again and one

thing i hear a lot of people saying is that like

they feel he's playing kind of like the same

character and while i kind of can see that i

i feel like There are certain similarities, but

I feel like they're also vastly different. I

don't know how you feel about his performance

in this compared to Inglorious Masters. I think

they're both great, but do you feel there's...

think the same minorities are as apparent as

people have made them out to be? I don't think

so. I think it's easy to say that about a lot

of different people just because they can't escape

who they are. You know, I mean, they're going

to have some of the same mannerisms. They're

going to have some similarities from character

to character. But I don't remember when I saw

this the first time thinking that it was any

type of carbon copy of what we saw in Inglorious

Basterds. To me, this character had so many more.

I guess you wouldn't say like deeper elements

to it or more sides to it, but it has a completely

different feel because in in glorious bastards,

I think it's harder to find the I think if you

were trying to define which it's hard to do in

Tarantino films So, you know someone has a good

guy or a bad guy I mean, he's clearly more of

a bad character in that film where I always viewed

him as you know Obviously a good character in

this film and he has a lot more of a moral compass

in this film. So I didn't I don't necessarily

see outside of it's the same person playing it

and there's going to be you can't escape having

some similarities. I don't I don't quite see

that myself. I don't know. What about you? I

mean, I think there are certain mannerisms and

kind of the way each maybe similar, you know,

the annunciates everything. And he's a showman

similar to his previous character. But I think

overall, though, they are two very opposite.

They're very opposite in just their you know,

their execution because you know Schultz is so

Kind -hearted and something about him. This feels

like war I guess and I don't get that with Well,

and the other thing is even in their dialogue

it's different like yeah the in Inglorious Basterds

There's a lot more Veil to what he's saying.

There's a lot more mystery as far as he's you

know, kind of beating around and kind of doing

the whole investigative thing, whereas in this

one, it's a lot more matter of fact. He has a

point of what he's gonna go across, and he comes

right out and is very blunt about whatever he's

saying. And I feel like with the glorious bastards,

there's also a viciousness to what he's doing,

or it feels like put on and you're just waiting

for, there's that veil of politeness, but you

think behind that veil is a very vicious person.

With this here, It's the opposite that he just

feels so Welcoming and like it just seems like

everything he does is just like well, this is

I want to be this guy's friend I just want to

hang out with him. He's like the kindest dentist

ever And he's one that kills people the whole

killing people and that kind. I mean, there's

a lot of good redeeming qualities So polite and

like takes it's like, you know, he asked permission

for everything before it's just I don't know

I that's too like just he's a big part of the

comedy in this and I there's a lot of comedic

moments in a lot of Tarantino films, but to me

this has some of the funniest, I would say. This

might not, I mean, I know it's kind of getting

into something else and maybe we'll get more

into it later, but this, going with the humor

and especially with Kristoff Wall's character,

we might not get like the long extended dialogue

pieces like we have in some of the other films,

but there is so many short bursts of it that

it's just the... the humor especially from him

is like almost every every time he opens his

mouth you're waiting for something that's going

to entertain you or be funny or be just like

jaw dropping or whatever so i mean it's a different

type of dialogue but i think it's super effective

as far as being consistent and constant throughout

the film so i like that about him Yeah, there's

there's like a specific timing all together one

moment that you said like that's really short

and sweet is one of the first plantations they

do to get the brittle brothers and there's that

back and forth with uh, I can't think of it don

johnson's character and uh They're asking like

how they should treat jango and it's like should

I treat him like he's white and he's like, no

Just the how just the way he he says it and the

reaction and it's just it And I laugh at that

every time because it's like it's timed so well.

It's just which is interesting because this is

the first time he's making a movie without his

editor that he's used previously because she's

unfortunately passed away. But I don't I'd never

saw any difference. I feel like editing is always

on point just like it was. I mean, it's not you

know, it's linear storytelling again. But overall,

though, I just feel like it fits together pretty

well. Well, and I think one of the, probably

the most extended thing that we get as far as

dialogue piece with Dr. Schultz that I'm thinking

of, I mean, I might be missing one off the top

of my head, but the whole back and forth that

he does with Calvin Candy on D 'Artagnan and

Alexander Dumas. And when he's going, you know,

he's going into the name of the slave, which

was D 'Artagnan and wondering what Dumas would

make out of all of this and Candy's so confused

and he does that whole thing about, oh, his approval

would be a dubious proposition at best. He's

trying to figure out what's going on. And he's

like, Alexander Dumas was black. I love that

whole bit. But you couple that with some real

quick stuff that you get a lot of times. And

it's not just with Kristoff Waltz. Obviously,

we'll get into Django a little bit, too. I remember

quite a few quick lines where he's talking about

the bounty hunting business with Django, you

know, the proposition of to Django of killing

white people and getting paid for it. That's

funny. But yeah, there's a there's a lot of them

between both him and Django that are just really

keep the humor going. Yeah, and I agree. There's

a and even especially the probably the most thing

that's obviously purposely communicates that

of like the. pseudo KKK scene with the hoods.

Oh, jeez. The scene cracks me up from beginning

to end. I forgot when I was watching this the

second time that Jonah Hill was in this. Yeah.

I just he shows up like that and just that whole

thing and with the guy leaving because his wife's

holes weren't in the right spot. It's just that

that has me in stitches every time. But next

time. But I think Django too, I mean obviously

Christoph Waltz probably gets the most credit

for a lot of the humor and a lot of the lines

but Django has some cool stuff like especially

when he's dealing with some of the other people

outside of not Calvin Candy, not Schultz, but

some of the other stuff like Or the one person

is trying to call him out on how many shots he

had in his gun. Yeah. He's like, I count six

shots and he's like, I count two guns and pulls

out a second gun. Or when he's chained up and

walking. I don't even think he's chained up at

that point. But when he's walking with Billy

Crash and Billy Crash is like, I'm going to go

walking in the moonlight with you. And he's like,

you want to hold my hand? Just like every every

time was just perfect. I love the dialogue in

this film. It just accents one of obviously Tarantino's

themes that we've had throughout all of these

films. But since we're starting to mention it,

since I've started to mention a couple of the

other characters, I think that goes back to another

trend that we saw throughout all of these films

in the retrospective. And that is obviously Tarantino's

ability to cast both just regular casting and

in the writing of certain characters with certain

actors in mind. And obviously there's a lot of

examples here in Janko Unchained of that. I think

specifically when that comes to mind is like

Leonardo DiCaprio and right in the role that

That has someularity. So the Caprio does but

I do feel like it's one of his better performances.

It's There's a certain like likable quality that

the Caprio has but there's also there's something

about him that can turn you the wrong way and

to just like his ability to explode so I do feel

like you get something out of I feel like he

gets something out of the Caprio that I don't

think any a director has and then you have that

Infamous scene where he I guess cuts his hand

in real life on When he cracks the skull and

then I didn't realize when he rubs his hand on

Kerry Washington's face that that was his real

blood which I'm like Get method acting but if

I'm on that I'm like, no like that's not happening

at that point if I'm Kerry Washington I'm like,

what the hell did you just do? I don't know I

get my lawyer in here. I'm pretty sure you just

committed a hate crime Yeah, it's just real quick.

This guy sleeps with like pyramids of women.

I don't think this is okay exactly I mean some

of the other casting like I mentioned with uh

don johnson I know like I think originally that

was supposed to be mel gibson I forget there

was a huge or kurt russell was supposed to be

in this originally too and kevin costner was

one of them that was yeah originally too there

was a lot of people that uh were cast that had

scheduling conflicts and and this that and the

other because I There was even parts like separate

characters that didn't even make the final film

joseph gordon levitt sasha barron cohen You talked

about kurt russell kevin costner. So I mean there's

a lot of people that He had in mind was something

that didn't work But the two that I think he

most wrote stuff for well three I would say would

obviously be three of the leads there you have

Leonardo Christoph Waltz and Samuel L. Jackson

Which are all basically those roles were all

written for him, even if Christoph Waltz turned

him down the first time Yeah, and I know originally

Django was supposed to be Will Smith. Yeah Django

was the one that he wrote with somebody else

in mind Yeah, could you see Will Smith in the

role of Django because I don't think I can't

And it's funny because Will Smith's like reason

for turning it down is so ridiculous Like it

had something to do with the fact that and whatever

he read or whatever script or whatever however

was pitched to him and Unless and this is just

going off of internet stuff So it could be completely

false But according to the one source I read

it seemed like Smith turned it down because he

wasn't billed as the leading person Yeah, he

felt that Jenga wasn't the leading character.

So he didn't want it are which is like, yeah,

why would Cause that works so well with After

Earth. But yeah, I don't know if I can see Will

Smith and it's interesting all the other names

that they threw out there. Terrence Howard, Chris

Tucker, Idris Elba. Man, after seeing that, I

can't picture anybody but Jamie Foxx, but that's

kind of how movies are a lot. Once you see that

character, that's who it becomes. So it's hard

to see it as anybody else. I mean, I can see

Will Smith doing all the costume and the clothing

choices because he could have pulled all that

crazy stuff off that Jamie Foxx did as well,

but I just can't picture him. Playing that role

to the to the point that Jamie Foxx did going

off that though Will Smith saying that Django

wasn't the main character Do you feel like though

with so much and so many of these other characters

that? Even though it's called Django and Shane

that Django kind of gets lost at all in this

that I don't understand. Yeah, that's why I'm

saying like I wasn't sure if how what he read

or how he figured that out I mean first of all,

it's the name of the movie So you think before

you know, you've made the movie that if you're

getting cast as the person that is in the title

that that's probably a lead role and he's also

the constant he's from the beginning scene to

the end scene like he's I don't know how you'd

say this isn't his story you know as far as like

dialogue and screen time I mean I guess Christoph

Waltz gets a lot and Leonardo DiCaprio is obviously

a leading person in most movies he's in but I

don't see how you could say this movie is more

about anybody outside of Django yeah I agree

it's his story I would say though that the one

mark you can give it is not in the sense of not

but with so many other characters like i don't

think jango as a character has like the personality

That puts them in the forefront like as the other

characters something like Kristoff Waltz and

Calvin Kennedy They're really big and large personality

wise and jingles more reserved, which I don't

think is a bad thing I think it it's very much

in line with many of the Western characters,

you know from the man with no name and you know

things like that where you have that strong kind

of silent type picking and choosing when they're

saying things and having a certain certain way

about them, so I think as a performance, it may

not be as dynamic as the other characters, but

I think it works and it fits within the story

itself because it is his story, but I think the

chaos is going around him where he is just focused

on this one thing he wants to get accomplished.

Right. No, I completely couldn't see that. Also,

it is the first time, apparently in 16 years

at this point, that DiCaprio did not get top

billing in a film. You got that going for you.

Is there any character that you feel like didn't

work as far as the actor, actress, the performance,

something that fell flat for you compared to

something else? And to go along with that, I

want to get a little bit more into both Leonardo

DiCaprio and Samuel L. Jackson and your thoughts

on those characters overall, because I think

sometimes people can have a... I've heard more

people have issues with Samuel L. Jackson. Whether

they say he's always playing the same character

or whether they say it's too Over -the -top or

it's not done in an unbelievable manner. I've

heard that kind of critique on Samuel L. Jackson

at the same time You almost never hear that with

Leonardo DiCaprio seems like no matter what he

does Everybody's loves it no matter what and

I'll get more into my thoughts on both of them

But first, you know, like I said, did anybody

fall flat for you? And then what's your opinion

of both DiCaprio and Samuel L Jackson's performance?

Well, if anyone falls flat, it probably would

be Quentin Tarantino. Oh god I forgot about that.

I tried to put that out of my head. Which is

just awful. Like, just don't. And why give yourself

an Australian accent? All I wrote was Tarantino

is so bad. Especially when it's that late in

the movie. I read something where they were going

to have someone else and they couldn't. Like,

they had to drop out. But still, there's tons

of actors out there that would drop anything

to work in a Tarantino movie. So you don't need

to... Oh, man. You're just so bad. I mean, it's

kind of funny. to see him get like him like literally

explode in this film. It's hard to say but there

are elements of Kerry Washington's character,

mostly near the end. The one scene that kind

of comes to mind is actually the very end when

she's like, that seems really kind of cutesy

against her character, which is like, Holds her

ears really weird and like has a weird look on

her face that always That always kind of bugged

me because it just seems kind of out of character

from everything we saw to her It's like it's

like she's playing a part while she's in the

house and doing all these other stuff and all

the years before when she was seen like in the

flashbacks with Django but then all of a sudden

when she's like away she like turns into like

this modern person that's Giggly and laughing

and you know, I don't I agree. That was a little

I felt like that was a little weird no one else

really comes to mind the touch on the Leonardo

in and Samuel L. Jackson I to me like up to this

point like, you know Samuel L. Jackson was doing

a lot of Samuel Jackson roles and I thought he

was great and as I thought him in his relationship

with DiCaprio was a lot of fun and I is it a

little over the top I Perhaps but I never questioned

him in that role. Like I never it never took

me out of it I felt like he was that character

or felt he was that age and especially the back

and forth with that of DiCaprio and I love DiCaprio

to eat I'm a fan of him for the most part. There

are some things he does that that I have not

Agreed with like have was not the hugest fan

of like Eviator comes to mind. I didn't really

love that movie a great deal. Do you like great

Gatsby? Ah It's okay. It's not to get off topic

It's okay. I am not I just feel like with him

not to interrupt but I feel like some people

could make the argument that His character and

maybe film a film B film D are very very similar

But like you said at the opening, though, I think

Tarantino got something out of him in this one

that separates that a little bit from some of

those other roles that you might compare it to

otherwise. I think there's a certain there are

certain similarities with certain characters,

depending on when he tends to play that like

they're that like playboy rich guy. You with

great gasping compared to Aviator, I think you

can probably cover some similarities, but. I

would say like his role in this is probably closest

to that of Wolf of Wall Street where he just

gets into that mode where it's just like It doesn't

yell. Yeah yells and just like anything around

him. It will be destroyed That isn't I don't

know. It's like a force of nature, but I know

I like them both I felt like they both work really

well, and I thought this was not maybe to the

level of pulp fiction for Samuel L. Jackson,

but one of the better performances he's probably

given in a long time. I think it was him playing

a character that was out of his comfort zone

that I liked seeing. Right. The other thing I

wanted to touch on as well was as far as like

scenes or moments that stood out the most to

you, because I think this also has kind of similar

to a couple of the movies that we've talked about

already. Tarantino. Can really put together a

great opening scene and the opening scene in

this film for me is just impeccable like that

whole situation with the introduction of all

the characters especially with Christoph Waltz

coming in there is just it sets the tone for

me for what probably is my favorite aspect of

this entire film, which is Christoph Waltz basically

gets sets himself into situations that you As

an audience member as a viewer have no idea how

he's gonna get out of and you're just like what

is going on and how is he possibly gonna come

out of this both alive and Getting whatever he

wants to to get out of it. He does it at the

beginning He does it at the in the town with

the sheriff He does it time and time again, and

I think it's all set up with that opening scene

Which for me is is just amazing But do you have

a how do you feel about the opening scene? And

is there any other scenes that really stand out

as like some of your favorite moments? I do really

like the opening scene. It's a again a comedy

some of that comedy and kind of viciousness That's

a lot of fun and Chris is again a Christoph Waltz

You know, is it comparable to the the last movie

we talked about? No, but it's it's still really

a lot of fun and Especially like to build up

with the Django song and everything. So I do

enjoy that a great deal It's interesting. I feel

like this movie as a whole I really enjoy but

usually with Tarantino films there's like specific

scenes I'm like this could be one of Tarantino's

best scenes and I don't necessarily know if That

is the case with this movie where it's weird

though. It's like it just It feels like the scenes

aren't as elongated as you would expect with

a Tarantino film It tends to moves a lot quicker

than that Like it feels like you don't really

spend more than I don't know a couple minutes

at one location like which is different for a

tent You know, usually you're you're kind of

in a room for an extended time. Yeah Static for

a little bit. So Specific scenes don't stand

out as much certain ones do I mean? The brittle

scene is one that comes to my mind. The dinner

scene at the end, of course, and then the overall,

just the craziness when Jango's trying to gun

his way out of the house and stuff like that.

But overall, yeah, I don't know how you feel

if there's, like you mentioned the opening scene,

if there's other specific scenes that tend to

come to your mind. Two of my favorite scenes

are probably the opening scene and then the town

scene where he shoots the sheriff and you're

just like, what is, and my favorite part of that

first part of that scene is that they're sitting

down for drinks or whatever happens and he like,

basically there's a shooting and then he immediately

continues. With the inquiry and it's just like

what is going on here? but I think the reason

I wanted to bring up scenes was because I think

it's interesting that you have this film that

has probably one of the the bloodiest shootouts

or craziest shootouts with the most amount of

people dying like you said with squibs and everything

else that has ever been seen or At least you

know outside of some specific genres that that's

all about but you have that scene, but that's

Even with that that's not even close to the one

of the hardest scenes for me to watch is from

a brutal standpoint which would be both the Quote

Mandingo fighting scene as well as the dog scene

like those are just hard to even stomach watching

and Yeah, so I mean those two scenes step stand

out to me as kind of some of the harder to watch

scenes But it's just interesting that those are

the ones that kind of have more of the effect

even though you have like a thousand people Dying

in that one scene. It's something about two guys

like fighting to death in a small room While

people like watch I just feel so weird. It's

I don't know it's it's odd but it's it's kind

of strange when you realize Oh, no, that's kind

of did happen. That's something that that did

actually occur. That was not something Tarantino

made up. And we talked about last week with,

you know, history is a big part of like, Glorious

Bastards, because it deals with World War Two.

But obviously, this is too, and a huge aspect

is the slavery. And how do you feel from film

that has a lot of comedy, has a lot of overtopic

action, with slavery being kind of the kind of

the backdrop of all this? How do you feel he

handles that subject matter in this? I think

he does a decent job of building a story around

it, building the entertaining aspect around it,

the humor, like you said, the dialogue, etc.

without blatantly just doing stuff that was ridiculous

to the time period. He does it all in a way that

still has elements that are true to the time

period, I guess is the best way. Whether it's

from the whole idea of Europeans or immigrants

who came over who were against slavery and kind

of join that crusade, which is an accurate thing,

you know, which we see with Christoph Wallace's

character, whether it be the whole plantation

set up and, you know, the, you know, the scarring

or the tattooing of runaways or, you know, how

they dealt with that. So, I mean, I think without

going in depth to it a lot and more so having

it as like the setting. piece of it. He does

it in a way that shouldn't offend anybody as

far as the accuracy of it. I don't know if that

makes sense how I'm saying that. So I don't really

have a problem with it from a historical standpoint.

I think there are moments in there that you can

actually use as like, not that you would use

this as a teaching tool or anything like that,

but you could point to that and say that's actually

an accurate portrayal of how stuff was happening

outside of maybe the whole KKK. group. Yeah.

And I think too, there's there's a brutality

he gets to that. And I mean, there's a lot of

movies about slavery that get into the cruelty

of it. But just like certain elements like the

one scene when they're in Mississippi and you

see the slaves walking with the chains and the

mass. And like just like that, like that image

to me is like, wow, I never saw anything quite

like that in a movie before. Like he seems to

have, again, like the details of the history

that some people overlook, or the fact that when

you first meet Jango, it's him literally walking

across the forest with no shoes on. It's just

the idea of like how much these people would

have to travel. And I do think that he treats

it with a certain, even though there is a lot

of meticulousness going on. When it comes to

slavery, I think he tends to get a lot of the

details right, that a lot of people to not do

in more serious films. So I always find that

kind of interesting. Well, I should put an asterisk

next next to what I just said previously, because

in whatever I studied from this time period or

this and the other. I never came across or studied

or read about any type of mandingo fighting or

whatever. So I can't speak to whether that was

going on or if it was portrayed accurately or

not, because I have no knowledge of that. So

someone would have to correct me on that one

or teach me. But outside of that, like you said,

when it's coming to just the kind of the slavery

aspect, the plantations and this, that and the

other, I think I didn't see anything that stood

out as something that was blatantly off. It's

a home and dingo thing. I wouldn't be too surprised

if it was real not considering you mean, right?

I mean, I don't know to what extent or how it

happened or you know if there was Naming and

and contest to that point and trading and buying

and stuff at all I mean, I know there's movies

obviously because it's there to know that he's

getting that from so right It could be more of

an homage to that than it is the real history

But either way, it's just it there's like you

said those scenes are kind of hard It just finishing

off the way you just throws the hammer down like

so nodulantly. It's like just finish him off

It's like that just seems It's kind of brutal

I know we kind of talked about the whole last

act and whether we had an issue with it or we

didn't. What about the specific ending? How did

you feel about the exact way that it ends? Did

you feel like it fit with everything? Do you

feel like it was a rewarding end to the thing?

I did. Like I said, I had a little issue with

Kerry Washington at the end and the way she put

just the As much as I shouldn't I enjoyed watching

Django getting his revenge. I don't know especially

the way, you know the viciousness he took out

of you know, see me all Jackson's character and

You know him yelling Adams saying the D is silence

and shooting him in the face and so I don't know

I thought I thought it was very Suitable and

him taking Calvin candy's clothes and putting

them on and everything like that. So it worked

for me. I enjoyed it Did you have any issues

or problems or nitpicks that you would knock

this film down at down for for any reason or

anything that anything you didn't like about

it? I think that the one thing the biggest flaw

of the film comes into the fact that kind of

the set up getting into Calvin Candy what you

know they were trying to get accomplished because

it seems really convoluted just their entire

mission really like why are they going through

all these hoops and everything to to get Kerry

Washington's like but you know buyers a slave

like it seems like The justification it doesn't

seem to be super strong of like why are they

going through all this just to get her? I know

he has that story about going to the farm and

trying to buy the cow or what have you but still

it just seems like I Mean partially maybe it's

because maybe he's wrong, but it just seemed

that like It was Tarantino wanted to do. So it

was the justification was because that's where

you wanted the story to go. But the actual reasoning

behind it seems a little bit like this seems

just doesn't really make sense to me. I guess

it seems like there would be an easier way, I

guess. Right. Why would you do this? It seems

like there should be an easier way to do this,

not just we're going to pretend to be these characters

and we're going to get into fighting and then

we're going to try to buy Black Hercules. But

then we're going to try to throw in this other

person. It's just like seems like you. They're

slaves. So why can't you just try to buy her?

I guess then you want to have a movie, obviously.

But right. But I agree with you. It does seem

like, you know, why not? If he if he was so intrigued

by the amount of money you're going to pay for

the other thing, the other thing, she's the other

object that can go in after as far as in that

sense of the word. Why not just offer that much

for the girl and not go through the charade because

the Capri was basically motivated by money. Yeah,

and so then it sets up the whole situation that

who cares if they want the girl Yeah, you're

still getting a crap ton of money. So just give

it to him Like it sets up a weird dynamic that

doesn't make sense for either party Yeah, or

like, you know her trying to act like she doesn't

know him and I love the scenes I think they work

but if you're like looking at a plot standpoint,

it's like right you Really need to do this It

just seems might be making this harder on yourself

Yeah, go back to body hunting and you're making

a pretty good living there. I'm pretty sure you

could buy that farm eventually So right exactly

my my specific issue I think that I had the first

time I watched it was this one of my favorite

things Initially was like I said the idea that

Kristoff waltz represents his character who can

basically is always the smartest man in the room

He's always Well, one or two steps ahead of everybody,

he's always voluntarily putting themselves in

position that seem impossible to get out of.

And you don't know the plan or you don't know

how he's going to get out of it, but he always

gets out of it. And that theme is carried throughout

the whole film. And I love how it how it kind

of progresses to the point where he almost. you

know whether unintentionally or whether just

by observation passes that on to Jamie Foxx because

you even have Jamie Foxx towards the end where

he's being transported and he's in a situation

where you think okay there's nothing that's going

to happen there's no way for him to get out of

this he's being put in an even worse situation

than he was originally and then you have how

he basically gets out of that gets the guns you

know gives them to the the other people who are

being transported and goes back to have his final

revenge so it's even passed on to Jamie Foxx

through you know through the film. But my one

issue, the first time I watched it was in the

whole candy mansion before the showdown. You

know, you have the epic part of Leonardo asking

Schultz to shake his hand. And that's, you know,

obviously, that's the moment where everything

changes for the rest of the film. And that's

when some people probably either jumped off or

you know, got on board for the rest of the whole

thing. My only question and kind of problem was,

I didn't know if it was 100 % being true to the

character that I had grown to learn and love

of this Dr. Schultz. And again, this is just

on the first time watching it, but for someone

who always had a plan out and for someone who

always was able to think quickly on his feet

to change situations, it wasn't even necessarily

the fact that He couldn't just shake his hand

and leave. That's fine. I get that. And you know

that he that he shoots him, but he literally

shoots him and then just stands there. And allows

himself to be shot for the most part, like you

would think there would be a shot and then he

would have some other attempt to do something

in his head already rather than just shoot him

and then. Allow himself to be to be shot. I mean,

I know he I know at that point he was kind of

saying sorry to Jamie Foxx to Django and being

like I got to do this because on principle I

have to do this and now you're on your own But

I just I don't know I had a I had a problem swallowing

that the very first time I watched it didn't

nearly have as much of a problem the second time

but maybe I was just from a personal level bum

that he was out of the film at that point. I

could understand that. The way I kind of took

that was that, yeah, he always has a plan. And

the fact that this was a situation that he didn't

get out of, it just drove him crazy, especially

to someone like Candy that he morally can't stand.

And it was just it kind of just went over the

line for him. So he made that decision. They

do set it up, though, in a way, because you can

even see it on Christoph Waltz's face once once

they're on to him. That you can see the nervousness

for the first time, you know, you can see him

sweating almost for the first time So it's not

that they don't set it up But I was just like

I still wanted him even if he was surprised at

that point that they they were onto him for him

to Come up with at least one more try and I would

have rathered him kind of been killed in some

other way as He was getting out of the situation

still instead of just being like I'm gonna shoot

him and I'm gonna die But it's funny because

every time like I heard him say I couldn't help

myself. I've always took that as that's Tarantino

talking like As a drag, yeah, I can't help myself.

I mean this crazy action sequence I guess like

so I never even took it as a character mode I

took it as Tarantino saying to his audience.

It's like yep. It's time for this to happen That's

kind of the way I took it. I just had one more

question before we wrap it up and It's interesting.

We talked about slavery, too But what's kind

of interesting is that this sets the record for

the most times the n -word was used Yeah, which

is kind of ridiculous, but and I know even DiCaprio

Had had issues with it when he was filming I

mean, I know two white guys talking about this

seems a little weird but do you feel like Tarantino

does use it to an excessive amount in this to

the point where it does seem like I don't know.

There's almost like there's a joy he gets in

being able to use it and get away with it since

it's all the time. I don't necessarily see it

as that. I mean, I think he's he's highlighting

something of that setting. He's highlighting

part of that era, part of that moment and how,

you know, you got to remember this. He's portraying

a time period. that we can't even wrap our heads

around as far as from a language standpoint and

from a political correct atmosphere that we are

a part of. So it's like we can't even. Kind of

come to terms with how that could possibly be

I mean I'm not saying that it you know if you

lived there you were gonna You know in a month's

period you were gonna hear that kind of language

to that extent But there's nothing saying that

you wouldn't have especially in the deep south

so I Didn't necessarily see it as him just kind

of saying I can do this so I'm gonna do it like

crazy I think he was highlighting and trying

to really show people and paint a picture of

especially Candy's character not saying that

he's the only character that uses it But he really

wanted to pinpoint it and that's why you know,

when you're reading that stuff about DiCaprio

being like, dude, Am I really supposed to say

this as many times? I'm not comfortable with

this. Samuel Jackson is right there. He's like,

dude, yeah, Sam's gonna kick my butt. But I think

that's why Tarantino's like, no, this is you

have to be this despicable character. You have

to be somebody that everybody hates. You have

to represent this part of what was going on here.

So I think it all had a purpose. I don't think

it was just done lazily, not lazy, but halfheartedly

or carelessly. I think I think I had a purpose.

Yeah, I don't I don't disagree. It has a purpose.

I do feel though it's like. Okay, cut. You can

maybe bring it. I don't think you need to go

for the record. It's like, no, I mean, he probably

in his mind also did want the record. So I think

I think to that sim because he's gotten slack

from that from other movies he's done, especially

from I know him and Spike Lee don't get along

very well. But I do I do think it's interesting,

though, because I was actually listening to an

interview with him and He's talking about Western

directors and apparently he hates John Ford because

he feels John Ford's a racist because I guess

in Birth of a Nation, John Ford is proudly in

the KKK. So maybe maybe he is. I don't know.

But I do find like it's like it's not out of

character or it's not done in a way that I feel

like is. Without point like you said, but I just

think maybe you could just it just feels weird

when Christophe wall says it because I know That's

kind of like he's saying it because he's playing

the role but it just seems like oh I thought

he'd be the one that doesn't say it I just had

a couple last -minute trivia things and then

I had a couple questions for you put you on the

spot But the other couple interesting things

One, I won't get into all the different trivia

things because there's a million of them and

you can look them up on your own on your own

leisure. But it definitely also follows suit

with what we're talking about with Tarantino

as far as paying homage to other films in the

genre or his knowledge of what came before him.

And they are just all over the place from, you

know, from silent films to westerns throughout

the different decades. You can probably find

a nod to almost every type of Western out there.

So you definitely get that in here as well. So

I think that's kind of cool, especially if you're

like a die -hard genre fan. You could definitely

watch this, like you said, two, three, four times

and still be picking up on different homages

or nods or whatever to the different stuff. So

I thought that was pretty cool. I also found

it interesting that you have the dual duality,

I guess, of Leonardo DiCaprio saying that he

was basing his character partly on Doc Holliday.

from Tombstone, but that it's actually Dr. Schultz,

Christoph Waltz's character, whose character

actually almost mirrors the real life Doc Holliday,

because Doc Holliday was a dentist who turned

into a gunfighter. Really? Yeah. So you kind

of have DiCaprio basing it on that. But Walt's

actually almost playing that role. So that's

kind of an interesting thing. And did you know

that it was the first Western to win an Academy

Award for Best Original Screenplay? Since butch

cassidy in nineteen sixty nine forty five years

earlier Wow, yeah, I know it's it's only one

of the few two that actually been nominated for

best picture because it surprisingly there have

not been a huge amount that I've gotten Oscar

nominations first to win an award for acting

since unforgiven in 92 and Along with a true

grit because they were both they both came out

the same year 20 years earlier. They also had

unforgiven and dances with wolves or not dances,

but dances with wolves and one other western.

So westerns, you don't really get a lot of Academy

attention. It kind of comes in little bits and

pieces. And I kind of wanted to ask you a question

to go along with that. You know, kind of the

state of westerns or what kind of impact Django

Unchained had on that. I mean, we've seen a few

with... True Grit with this. Obviously, we're

going to have Hateful Eight somewhat in the same

realm. And we've seen Slow West this year and

a couple other things. And it seems like there's

been some gems here and there, but are we ever

going to get to the point where we get three,

four Westerns in a one, two year period? Get

a lot of attention or are we gonna have to rely

more on kind of like the smaller films and the

indie route to get our Western fix I don't think

it's ever gonna get that point maybe with you

know this year with hateful eight coming out

and The Reverend Reverend which I guess is kind

of a Western as well Maybe we will but I just

think maybe you'll get like two high profile

Westerns at most every so often But I think people

are kind of scared of them you get rarely Do

you see them do well financially unless you have

like a big name director behind them? But I mean,

maybe you'll see more, you know, with the cones,

the true grit, and he did this, maybe see Spielberg

do a Western or, you know, what have you. But

I don't feel like it had, if you look at Pulp

Fiction, you saw a huge amount of people kind

of come after Pulp Fiction and try to do Pulp

Fiction. Don't see that with Django. Because

period pieces are a lot harder to do. They don't

do as well. So you don't get studios backing

them. You get some like modern -day you did have

Cowboys and Aliens We did have Cowboys and Aliens

too and that did not do very well So I just think

the only time we're gonna get a high profile

Western is if you have a high profile director

behind it Yeah, and you did mention money. So

we've kind of given you the stance on all the

other ones, but obviously this was his highest

budget of all of his films, production budget

of 100 million. And it did have a domestic total

gross of 162. So it did well as far as making

its money back. Put you on the spot here. It

came in. I won't put you on the spot for the

first one. It was 15th overall in its year in

2012 with 162. So that was a good enough for

15th best at the box office that year. But put

you on spot on two different questions or rankings

that Box office mojo gives us it is the third

highest grossing Western and they're qualifying

that has 1979 to present So they're not counting

anything before 1979 would you have any idea

of which two films? Which two Westerns made more

money than Django Unchained man? I'll give you

a hint. One of them is from 1990 and the other

is from 2010 Yep, that's number two at 171 million.

Dances with Wolves? Dances with Wolves is number

one at 184. So top three Westerns from 1979,

present Dances with Wolves, True Grit, and Django

Unchained, and then, interestingly enough, the

fourth one they have ranked there is Rango. And

then it is Will Smith of Wild Wild West after

that. Really? That's depressing. That exo shows

you westerns don't do well if Wild Wild West

is in the top five. They also have it listed

as the third highest grossing revenge film. Again,

only counting 1980 to present. Do you have any

idea which two revenge films would beat it? These

are a lot harder. Geez. It's 2000 and 2008. 2008

Taken Taken is actually number four. Oh, man.

You probably won't get the one because the one

from 2008 they're listing quantum of solace as

a revenge film. I guess But I would definitely

qualify the number one as revenge from 2000 and

that is gladiator I wouldn't yeah So they would

listen as the third highest revenge in the third

highest western. There's more movies with revenge.

I guess Interestingly enough and glorious bastards

listed as six Yeah, so they got Django is three

and in glorious bastards as six Avengers has

revenge in it. So yeah, you could talk any almost

any film You could kind of wrangle some revenge

in there somewhere as far as Rotten Tomatoes

It has 88 % as far as the critics go with almost

250 reviews counted there and audience score

of 91 % so I guess that Brings it down to our

take on this and our score as far as where we

put this so What do you think as far as Django

goes? What kind of grade and how do you go about

giving it a grade? This is hard for me because

I've been going back and forth. I've been trying.

I've gone back and forth five times in this conversation.

Yeah, I've been doing my rankings with Django

and I'm like, where does it fit? And I've kind

of had it like. up to like number three and number

six it's kind of gone over the place uh because

i tend to really like this movie more and more

and like i said one of the biggest reasons is

is the music it's the energy of it that i that

i love i it's kind of got like everything i want

a tarantino film and uh so but i i do have to

say that you know that that plot issue is is

there so i think it's the one thing that that

i think stops it from being in the same level

as his top top echelon so i would i would still

give it an eight and a half but It's a heavy

eight and a half, almost a nine for me. Well,

we're boring because that's exactly what I was

going to give it. I kept going back and forth

between eight, nine, eight, nine. Then I was

like eight and a half. And then it's like, ah,

maybe nine. And I just can't quite give it a

nine, even though I probably should. So I agree.

It's a very heavy eight and a half for me. So

we're completely lame on that respect. Yeah,

yeah, that's okay We'll do our rankings and I

want to become close to staying true to the actual

number score I gave all the films I Think I'm

I'm pretty good. I think yeah, I think I'm pretty

good too. I will see we'll see I'm curious How

close ours will be I have a feeling they're gonna

be similar. There's one or two movies I think

we were differing from yeah I think there was

a couple that we differed on a little bit more

so but then there was quite a few that we were

somewhat in line so but Before we go though,

one thing we're going to talk about is actually

kind of looking ahead not to next week but even

to later on and You know, we've gotten a lot

of positive feedback with the Tarantino perspective

so far So we don't want to keep it going. Unfortunately

Tarantino's not having another movie out until

December So we're thinking about other directors

that we could do so What Kevin and I did is we

picked two directors that we feel like we would

move on to the next Retrospective of and what

we're gonna do is put a poll at key cast reader

comm and see which one you feel we should do

in Whatever gets the highest votes and as long

as we think as long as we don't change your mind

and go something else will end up Putting our

sights on that for the next retrospect. It's

like we kind of want the people to have some

some choice But then we kind of want to keep

control ourselves. I like it. I like it. So yeah,

we got a lot of great great ideas and great people

that people were throwing out there and Some

of it comes into maybe some management as far

as some of the bigger names or the people that

have been around a long time. I mean, obviously

some people have a huge filmography and some

people, you know, have very small ones. So kind

of weigh that a little bit, or at least I did

weigh that a little bit. I also like the idea

of putting some people maybe that I don't, I'm

not as well versed because I enjoy also using

this as a chance to maybe to... to catch up on

films that are in my blind spot. So you might

have some interesting, at least one interesting

choice for me. But I don't know, Dan, how did

you kind of go about trying to figure out the

first thing I did was I looked for someone that

was coming out with a movie this year. That was

kind of a key and someone that stood out. And

I also I looked for the same thing. Someone I

personally had. He a an interest in but also

kind of blind spots either movies that I have

yet to see because with Tarantino I love doing

it but it's also someone I come in as a huge

fan of and someone I've seen all of his movies

I did love you watching it because I don't we

watch movies enough, but Sometimes it's fun to

have that it's fun to have that discovery, especially

when I did Spielberg I ended up watching movies

I never saw before like 1941 always which is

a movie which I never saw but Don't ever watch

it. It's awful. But then like Empire of the Sun,

which I ended up really enjoying So I did pick

two directors. I will say though that We might

do things a little bit different differently

if we pick the ones I have and I'll get get into

them when I give out the names But that was my

biggest goal same thing as you basically. All

right Do you want to go first? Yeah, why not?

I'll go first. Knowing the other people that

do movie podcasts out there, it's going to get

half of them excited and it's going to get the

other half to not tune into our entire retrospective

if this was the one that was actually chosen.

The main reason I'm putting this one on there

is because it is 100 % a blind spot for me. I

have not seen a single film. from this director

so this would finally force me to watch all these

films and And finally kind of get to be in on

the discussion that everybody raves about and

it might be a little bit of a of a different

pick a little bit off of the Out of the norm,

so we'll see we'll see what people think about

it but the first one I wanted to put up for one

of the poll choices is actually Miyazaki and

Because like I said, I have not seen any of the

films that that he's done and a lot of people

rave about him. So Hayao Miyazaki was the first

one that I came up with. I don't know. What do

you think about that one, Dan? Wow. I mean, I've

seen some, but yeah, there's a lot I have yet

to see. So anyone in particular that you feel

like you'd really be interested in seeing like

that come to mind? I've heard so much about almost

every single one of them, but especially lately

with with. Was the one from last year princess

been okay here That one man, there's there's

so many there's there's there's at least six.

Oh, I'm the the one with the flying one. I forget

the name of it Yeah, that one. This just shows

how ignorant I am on yeah, I've seen I've seen

spirited away and I've seen pictures been okay

and Yeah, the house moving castle and a couple

but there's a lot I have yet to see And, you

know, this is someone who's very much revered

and spoken very highly of. So I just thought

maybe it would give me an opportunity to venture

into a type of film that I don't usually get

exposed to. And I thought it would be at least

a different choice as far as maybe, you know,

breaking up in between something a little bit

heavier, possibly. But don't worry, I have another

choice that will be completely opposite. So if

people don't like that route, we can go somewhere

else. Go with one of your picks, Dan. Yeah, that's

the wind wise. Sorry. The wind rises was the

other one we weren't thinking of. Sorry about

that. Well, I did not expect an animated director,

but that's a that's a good point. That's interesting.

I'm just looking at a similar group. You know,

I'm looking at there's a lot I still have yet

to see. Lot recently too. So I was trying to

shock you and I were had worked another one of

it kind of I guess this'll go With mine who he's

not an animated director, but he's a director

that I think people know and especially know

a lot of his movies but there's a lot of his

films that I've yet to see especially his early

stuff and I kind of picked this guy for a lot

of reasons one one of his most infamous movies

is actually having an anniversary this year And

also, he also directed a movie that was one of

the first movies we talked about when we relaunched

our podcast, because it's one neither of us have

saw, but Amanda has, and that's what lies beneath.

And the director is Robert Zemeckis, the director,

of course, of Back to the Future, which is having

his 30th anniversary this year. He's also directed

a movie that will be coming out later this year

with... the walk, which is the taking the movie,

the man on wire making it into a live action

film. But looking at his filmography, there's

a lot I have yet to see. I've never seen his

first film use cars or romantic the stone. Obviously,

who were frame Roger Robert in the back to future

films I have seen. But even like that becomes

where I've yet to see. So there's and with him

my guess is that we would have because he does

have a little bit larger of a filmography Not

as extensive as you would think but you would

probably group the back to the future films in

one I was thinking we could even kind of combine

all of his motion capture movies into one to

like like Paul Express Beowulf in the Christmas

Carol So we definitely get creative with that

one. Yeah, so there's I think a lot of room there

But I feel like he has the geek movies, but he

also has some more, you know traditional films

like Forrest Gump and Contact, which Contact

is a movie I've yet to see. So a lot of holes

in my book in his. I'm trying to I'm trying to

think because I know I've seen quite a few of

his of his filmography. I don't I don't know

if I've ever looked up to see how many I haven't

seen. But I genuinely like him as a director.

So it would definitely be fun to do that and

to see. the ones, like you said, that I might

be missing, like you said, especially his first

couple. You know, I have seen Romance in the

Stone, Back to the Future, Roger Rabbit, obviously,

Forrest Gump, What Lies Beneath, Cast Away, Matchstick

Man I really enjoyed. But then I actually haven't

seen most of his most recent stuff either. Outside

of Flight and Real Steel, I don't think I saw...

There was probably a good eight to ten films

he made in a row that I didn't see. He might

not have been director on all of them, but it'd

be something to look into. That's for sure. All

right. What's your next choice? Oh, man. I actually

have to I'm still making it in my head. I actually

had to circle that I think I'm going to go away

from. And the main reason I'm going to do that

is kind of to kind of fill one of your criteria

that you used as far as being involved with something

that's coming out still this year. And I'm going

to go with actually my my fourth and fifth choice.

I'm trying to pick between them now. I think

I'd be interested actually in looking a little

bit more at... Whew, man. I'm gonna go with a

guy who has done some foreign stuff that I have

not seen. And then he's been on a real hit lately

as far as making a lot of films that have gotten

quite the buzz, especially... couple years ago.

And the one I'm thinking about is actually, I

think I've only seen one of his films. So it

would definitely be another one that's a complete

blind spot where I could catch up. And he has

a film coming out that premiered at Cannes this

year called Sicario. But I'd be interested about

and that is Dennis Villanueva. And I don't know

if I'm saying his name right. But he did Incendies.

I don't know if I'm saying that right. Yeah.

Prisoners which is the one I've seen enemy I

have not seen sicario that's coming out and then

a few early on that are More foreign and then

a couple of shorts. I don't know if we'd cover

those or not or if we could do them all maybe

as one but It's just a blind spot for me as far

as I've only seen one of his films It's a it's

also represents someone that's got a fairly short

filmography So it would be an easy quick one

to do And of course completely different than

the animated choice that I had with the other

ones. So It's funny cuz you're saying that I'm

like, oh I gotta get another choice because the

way you are talking and his in the like I'm like,

oh wow, this is fitting into the guy I was gonna

pick again a shorter filmography has sworn films

and start his career has a movie that kind of

hit big recently and that is Gimel del Toro.

Oh, nice. I have you know, I have yet I saw Kronos

well such a long time ago. I don't remember it

and I have yet to see mimic the devil's backbone.

I've watched Pen Labyrinth, but I really, really

would like to rewatch that again. And of course,

he's on Blade 2 and Hellboy and Hellboy 2, and

most recently in Pacific Rim. But he's such a

huge name in the community. I feel like he's

someone to go through, especially considering

some of his most notable films I feel like I

haven't really watched. Because when I watch...

Pence 11th back in 2006, you know, I was you

know in college I don't think I've really appreciated

it so I love to kind of give that like a really

a real watch and especially Some of his more

notable like horror films from beginning and

it's the horse It's not so we talked about all

the time and since this will be kind of bleeding

into October My guess would be be good time with

a Halloween around the corner. So I figured del

Toro again someone who doesn't Only has about

eight movies or so about the same amount movies

as Tarantino and right again It's probably when

we can kind of combine this comic book movies

into one episode So maybe it might not be nearly

as long. So I figured that would uh, that would

be that's gonna get Amanda's vote for sure and

it's interesting actually because this year I've

watched both of the hellboy films and Pants Labyrinth

just this year already. So, um, they're definitely

both fresh in my mind, but I have not seen his

first, you know Probably four or five films,

especially the foreign ones, you know, I've seen

blade to like I said Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth

and I've seen Pacific Rim and Crimson Peak is

definitely probably Amanda's most anticipated

film that still to come out this year So again,

he's another one who has a movie coming out this

year as well So yeah, I think we're all across

the board here. We we're definitely giving people

some variant Directions they can go with this

so interesting that three out of our four films

are foreign directors. So yeah You know and then

and man, I'm interested to see what people think,

you know We might not be going with some of them

that everybody wanted us to you know I know a

lot of people were putting stuff out there like

you know PTA or or Kubrick or or some of those

other ones and I think we can we can work our

way into those But I kind of wanted to go a different

direction after Tarantino and kind of just have

some of these more Off the beaten path maybe

or more unexpected ones. Yeah, I again more so

ones that we can help Hit our blind spots and

like I said like for Kubrick I want to I don't

feel like I can watch I can do that yet I want

to kind of get some more movies under my belt

He even luckily for him. He doesn't have a lot

of movies either But maybe one day we could do

a quick retrospective. So we got a lot of time.

So how are people, how are people going to help

us pick this? And then when are we going to reveal

people to people what we're doing next? Well,

when this movie, they can go to geocastradio

.com and there'll be a poll there to vote in.

And then I guess we can announce our next director

or retrospective at. the end of our next episode

when we do our wrap up episode and we kind of

go over Tarantino as a whole, maybe give out

some awards, rank our films and just give our

overall thoughts on the career of Tarantino so

far. Yeah, if you've enjoyed any part of this

retrospective, even if maybe you haven't caught

all the episodes, but you know, you're familiar

with his filmography, I think it's going to be

a pretty fun episode this next one kind of going

through some an actual sounds funny, but a retrospective

almost of the retrospective, put a look back

at the whole thing and said some fun maybe listen

awards and stuff like that so i think it should

be a pretty fun episode plus then you'll get

to find out who we're going to be doing with

the next retrospective so it's a double win Already,

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