Marvel Cinematic Universe March Madness Bracket

Hi, this is John Delancey and you are listening

to the GeekCast Radio Network. Hello and welcome

to another episode of The Cinema Geeks. I am

one of your Cinema Geeks optimists, Solo, and

joining me on today's episode are fellow Cinema

Geeks. Hi, Candy Mandy. Hey dudes. Hey dudette.

Mr. Movie Revolt Nan, hello. Hey, I was wondering

where you're going with that one. Nor was I.

Nor was I. Um, Mr. Fridley Sen, hello. Hi! And

along with us today we have a special guest,

uh, I guess the honorary cinema geek, at least

for today, Mr. DJ Valentine, hello. DJ Valentine

here courtside with my finger pressed against

my earpiece for dramatic effect. The excitement

down here in the court is high with a few films

ready to break the bracket. Some favorites expecting

to steamroll the competition. Back up to you,

Optimus. I love it. All right, we're getting

in the feeling already. As he somewhat alluded

to, it is March Madness time. And that means

we're going to try to get in on the fun. A lot

of different people do different types of brackets

and tournaments, some sports related, some not

so sports related. and we're gonna go movie related,

obviously. So today, in lieu of the fact that

we didn't actually do a review for Black Panther,

since everybody else in the world was doing one,

we'll be able to give you our thoughts on Black

Panther along with a whole March Madness brakup

that is pitting all of the Marvel Cinematic Universe

against each other. Dan, what do you think about

this heading into this process? I don't know.

It should be interesting. I try to not let personal

bias, but I feel like that's impossible. So we'll

see how it goes. And of course, it only makes

sense that we're talking Marvel Cinematic Universe

and other geek -like things here, superhero,

et cetera, to bring DJ on. DJ, do you have an

early favorite or is there a dark horse amongst

the group? I think that when we pick the number

one, or when I guess I reveal what my number

one movie is, you're going to be surprised. It's

not going to be like, oh, of course he's picked

that one. You're not going to know what it is.

Right. And the other thing that nobody knows

here on the record, except I guess for myself,

is Who's going to be going against who? So we're

going to break it up here, see how long it takes

us. Well, we're probably going to do one half

of the bracket today, and then we'll come back

next week with, in true March Madness fashion,

you tease them, and then you have to wait a week

for some more games. So that's how we're going

to do it. So we're only going to be revealing

the left side of the bracket today. And what

I did in order to seed all of the films is we

took a combination of their Metacritic and Rotten

Tomatoes score. Found an average score there

and then seated them accordingly. So that's kind

of how we went through our One through well,

I know it should be one through 16, but guess

what guys there's been 18 Marvel Cinematic movies

so far So we need to have a play -in game on

each side of the bracket just to get into the

tournament So just to get in so we're gonna sports.

Yeah So just to just to get in we're gonna start

with that play -in matchup So this is for the

honor of being the number 16 seed and if you

have ever watched the actual March Madness tournament

that means like the honor of getting beaten by

like 80 points in the first round of the tournament.

So our two films that we're going to be pitting

against each other for this playing game is going

to be the lowest possible seed. Number 18 if

you take that that combination score would be

Does anybody know what the lowest film would

be? I want to see if you guys have a guess. Matt,

do you have a guess as to what the lowest seed

would be if you combine the Rotten Tomatoes and

Metacritic scores of all the MCU? Oh, I don't

even look at those because I know I'm gonna go

see them, but I can tell you which one's the

worst one, and that's Iron Man 2. He's guessing

on Iron Man 2 being in this playing game. Dan,

do you have any ideas of who would score the

lowest when you do that? Howard the Duck? I'm

guessing Thor the Dark World. That is correct.

Thor the Dark World would come out at the lowest

combined score with a score of 60 if you average

their Rotten Tomatoes Metacritic score. So it's

going to be Thor the Dark World against Incredible

Hulk, which would come out as a combined 64.

So we have the second film in the MCU the Incredible

Hulk going against Thor the Dark World, Amanda

Let's start with you. Do you have a favorite?

Which film do you prefer between those two? I'm

gonna say Dark World. I like enjoyed that maybe

more than most people from what I'm hearing I

really liked it. The only thing I didn't like

was the whole you know relationship with Thor

and Jane, like I don't give a shit about their

relationship whatsoever in any of these movies,

so it made no sense. But I did like it and I

thought the little, the dark elves or whatever

they are, are super creepy. And I liked it. I

liked it a lot. I did forget to mention that

another bonus reason for why DJ is with us today

is because if you are a fan of the Cinema Geeks,

you probably know that there's four of us. So

that means that there is the option when we're

doing something like this that we would have

a tie. So in the case that the actual proper

Cinema Geeks tie, DJ, you are going to break

that tie with your all -important vote. Unlimited

power! But that does not mean we're not going

to let you comment and try to sway us one way

or the other before that happens. So let's go

to you next. Who should people be voting for

between The Dark World and HULK? Here's the thing

about the Incredible Hulk for the first I don't

want to say 45 minutes. It's awesome until he

gets to New York and that is then it gets into

this CGI fest and the CGI on the Hulk I like

the Hulk in the in the soda factory more because

you don't see him the CGI wasn't done yet and

when you see the compare the CGI from the Incredible

Hulk to the CGI that the Hulk has in the Avengers

or every other incarnation of him It just looks

like a video game cutscene, especially that whole

and scene with abomination. I didn't care because

abomination's CGI, it's horrible. Thor the Dark

World. I don't know, I'm not a big fan of, and

this may be a spoiler alert, I'm not a big fan

of the first store movie, and I like Thor to

Dark World more, mainly because of the stuff

that Loki's doing in this movie, and the scene

on the boat, and the breakout scene. I think

there's more moments in Thor to Dark World that

are good than Incredible Hulk. Again, Incredible

Hulk, and even though Edward Norton's a big giant

pain in the ass, he's very good as Bruce Banner.

And everything in Brazil, the chase scene, definitely,

everything with Eli Roth, when they're chasing

them, the implementation of the super soldier

serum, all that stuff is good, and then they

get to New York, and then it's CGI in Harlem.

I prefer them talking about it in Avengers than

seeing it. I'm not a big fan of that. Alright,

Matt, is that persuading you one way or the other,

or which film do you prefer? I actually he's

making some good arguments because like I've

it's been a while since I've seen the Incredible

Hulk probably around the time the Avengers came

out I rewatched them all and in my mind that

movie was great like like Surprisingly good like

I couldn't imagine a better Hulk movie at the

time for sure I mean we're in a whole new world

of comic book movies now though like and Thor

2. I would say Thor 2 is my second least favorite

of the cinematic universe. Like my vote still

gotta go to the Hulk one. I just I loved how

Like contained it was I like, you know, that's

one of the things I love about the cinematic

universe is you get like you get in Avengers

Where is this, you know cosmic massive thing

invading there and then you have like a homecoming

Where it's like, yeah, no, I'm just fighting

my girlfriend's dad and like The Hulk usually

needs to be like a city -smashing guy but I feel

like that movie they kept it real low -key and

very small and like it was entertaining and I

was very upset when they got rid of Edward Norton

because I thought he did an amazing job as Bruce

Banner. Speaking of low -key, Dan do you think

that that sways anything towards Thor the Dark

World? Are you with Matt that Hulk might be the

better film? It's tough because they, you know,

they do do What they do well are very different,

I think, in a sense. I think I like both of these

more than most people. I actually, I really liked

the Hulk completely. What I love about the Hulk

was how I was able to kind of combine all the

different elements of that character, like bringing

in things from the television series, bringing

in even stuff from what worked for the Ang Lee

Hulk, and establishing itself as well from the

comics and being the MCU Hulk. It was also the

first time we got like, any type of crossover

now in the sense of having Tony Stark show up

and having the fact that Stark Tech was used.

I love the one action sequence we get at the

college where like you just see this it is kind

of like a video game but I think it's fine where

like it just increases and you know first you're

using like sound to go after them then they're

using soldiers and helicopters and just keeps

going and going and just the ingenuity of how

they use Hulk's powers. And I don't mind that

final end sequence. I don't think the CGI, I

don't have nearly the issue with the CGI that

DJ does. Yeah, the design of abomination is not

ideal. It's a little wacky, but I thought that

battle sequence was everything I'd want in a

Hulk versus another giant creature battle sequence.

He immediately utilizing cars as... boxing gloves

and you know using like chains and the overall

way back and forth between them you know I feel

like when you have the Hulk that's kind of like

that's what people were clamoring for and they

didn't get with you know the Ang Lee Hulk and

like I think corrected a little bit I like I

think when it comes to just overall you know

in sense of Acting quality and like overall package

you may argue Thor dark works a little bit better

because you have the interaction between Loki

and Thor Specifically, I'm thinking of you know

where Thor is set to the go ask Loki for help

and like that's one of my favorite scenes in

all of Marvel just because it's Tom Henson killing

it as you would expect though the villain I think

is one of one of the the worst in all Marvel

movies and when you know before we became an

abomination i did like um the film before that

so uh i'm gonna go i'll go incredible hulk overall

um even you know both of them have uh have issues

but i think i just enjoyed the the villain of

hulk a little bit more um more so like i didn't

i malchith i thought was just generic from beginning

to end or at least you know there there are some

and even got like a link to super soldier shuram

i'm just thinking about my when i first watched

hulk and just all those you know that was brand

new that was something we didn't see and like

all the hope that it gave us for what's to come

so i'll give it a little credit for that and

i'll go with the i'll vote for hulk to lose next

round As for me, I think it boils down to me

for just I guess At this end when we're talking

about these films that may have some issues,

etc What kind of what kind of film I just like

seeing more from a setting standpoint an aesthetic

standpoint I think this might be a spoiler alert

for some of the future matchups. I don't know,

but I like the the science fiction aspect of

what you get with the Thor movies and the Guardian

movies, etc. I just kind of like that world better

and getting to see more of that world building.

And I love Loki as a villain and as just a general

character. And I don't know, I have never been

somebody that liked anything about Hulk when

it came to like comics or the TV shows or the

other movies, etc. I do like Hulk in the MCU.

You know, I think it's turned me a great deal.

more in his favor, but like growing up as a kid,

like Hulk was never somebody I really cared too

much for. But that really had nothing to do with

this conversation. I just think my memory too

of the Hulk film, like not a lot of that sticks

with me at all. Whereas I've seen Thor the Dark

World multiple times for some reason. It's a

very thin line, you know, when we were talking

about like the score here Rotten Tomatoes, they're

only 1 % different according to Rotten Tomatoes.

But Metacritic has Incredible Hulk quite a bit,

you know, six or seven points ahead of Thor,

Dark World. I think for me it just comes down

to the aesthetics, the setting and Loki that

would very slightly push Thor ahead for me. But

I think Amanda and I are both more in the Thor

camp for all of the Thor movies than a lot of

people, so there is some bias there, I think.

Me bias because he's got a shirt off? Well, I

mean, you do like your Hemsworth. So Amanda,

you were voting for Thor, right? Yes. So I would

be voting for Thor, Matt and Dan, I sounded like

you guys were both going Hulk way, right? Yeah.

Yes, I'm Hulk. Alright, so DJ, I know you kind

of just, you know, revealed your cards a little

bit, but are you casting a tiebreaker for Thor

or for Hulk? If you, I think it's an argument

can be made that of all three Thor movies, including

Ragnarok, which I love, Thor the Dark World uses

all the characters the best. Sadly, even though

in the movie, you're right, Malekith is weak,

but You don't get that toward the dark world

the best uses of the warriors three and sif It's

the best usage and thore the hero of the movie

is great throughout again an incredible hulk

I mean and when it's edward norton i'm fine every

time he transforms I just I this completely takes

me out of it And I mean, there are some great

Easter eggs. There's Amadeus Cho Easter egg.

There's a little Tony Stark. There's Doc Samson

Easter egg. But still, when half of your main

character takes me out of the movie, I just can't.

Again, everything in Brazil was great. I just

wish they had the money and the budget to get

the Hulk that we see in Avengers. If you put

the Hulk that we get to see from Avengers in

that movie, I think it's a better movie. It wouldn't

take me out. It looks more photorealistic. and

I really love what they did with Asgard. I wanted

a movie all on Asgard and they kind of gave it

to me. Again, the biggest weak point of that

movie is Malekith. That's about it, but I mean

Loki kind of picks up a lot of his slack, so

I'm gonna lean toward Thor the Dark World. Alright,

for those of you possibly upset about Thor the

Dark World moving on... Don't worry because it's

probably the last time that we'll talk about

either of these films. So the 1 to 16 match up

here. 16 seed will go then to Thor the Dark World

and that film will face off immediately against

the number one seed in the entire bracket. Maybe

I don't know. I don't know if it's because of

how reason it came out But it is the number one

overall right now that would be Black Panther

with a 93 score as a combined score 97 % Rotten

Tomatoes 88 % Metacritic some of those numbers

may have changed in the last few days So I apologize

if someone's like got their website up and like

you're giving the wrong scores But Black Panther

is ranked number one as of the time I did this

Is that what our listeners sound like? You're

giving the wrong scores. Yes, that is what they

sound like. So we'll go back to Amanda Black

Panther or Thor the Dark World? Oh, snaps. So

hard. Why are you gonna do this to me already?

This will give you a chance to give the listener

some thoughts on what you thought about Black

Panther 2, since we didn't. Well, I don't want

this record to go over a thousand hours, so I'll

keep it brief. I really liked Black Panther.

I think that seeing everything on Wakanda was

great. We've been waiting for it forever. And

I think we got some really honest, cool characters.

And the visuals, I think I liked, you know, for

the most part, better in Thor. But the stuff

that I saw in the majority, Wakanda looked great.

And the car chase looked great. But I... I'm

really torn because... This is showing how much

of a Thor fan you are. Yeah, I really, really

love Thor. And now seeing Black Panther, though,

I am a huge fan. I think it was great. And Michael

B. Jordan was amazing. So scary. And he had such

a right to be a villain. You know what I mean?

They did that dude fucking bogus. And I think

that... The message that they drew out in little

pieces here was great. It wasn't anything they

were whacking you over the head with. There was

a very... The moment... I don't want to spoil

it. The moment... Is it a sunrise or sunset or

something like that in Wakanda that Michael B

Jordan and the day you fall if you will yes,

yes I think what Michael B Jordan's sentiments

there were you know and how he put it was amazing

and So heartfelt got me got me right in the fields

and that's something that Thor didn't do I didn't

have like some moment in Thor that I was like

touched by so I I don't like doing this. There's

three Thor movies, so if you're feeling bad you

can vote for one of the other ones later. Okay,

well I'm gonna say Black Panther, for sure. Because

I got options here with the Thor. Matt, and that's

another thing that's gonna be interesting in

the bracket as far as, you know, the films that

have multiple versions of it, you know, with

especially like Iron Man, Captain America, Thor

that have three apiece, where were they all gonna

fall in the bracket? But Matt, is this a case

where here in the number one in the number 16

seat that we're seeing two of the best villains

in the MCU immediately face -knocking against

each other? Well, I mean if you're counting Loki

as the villain I'm trying to ignore him I'm trying

to ignore it I thought that dude was scary as

fuck you guys He was creepy looking and I'm pretty

sure he eats babies or something like he just

looks terrifying and he does some crazy stuff

That's not been proven, not accurate Allegedly

he's eating some Vietnamese babies or something

because he's got to be Vietnamese Oddly specific,

okay You're talking about the weave, okay. You're

taking Matt's time. Go for it, Matt. This is

Christopher Eccleson now. I don't know how much

of that was make -up from him. How many people

did we just offend in the last ten seconds? I

mean, you gotta think, like Christopher Angleson,

I mean, he played a space alien in Doctor Who

without any makeup, so. Yeah, that's true. Matt,

what are your thoughts on this matchup, though?

Oh, man, I mean, like, the fact that it took

Amanda more than about a second and a half to

compare this is insane. Like here's the thing

like Loki's great Chris Hemsworth's great, but

like Like that's the worst Thor movie. Like maybe

if it was the good one, like I could debate it.

But Black Panther was so like chef kiss perfect.

Like that movie was so good. Like it's not even

a comparison. Dan? Ditto. Yeah, I'm going for

Black Panther. I'm voting for Black Panther,

too, and I'll save all comments for when it's

more necessary. So, DJ, I apologize, but you're

not needed to cast a tiebreaker on this one.

Fine! We'll get your thoughts on Black Panther

as we go through this, though. All right, let's

move down to... Should I go in order, guys, or

should I bounce around the side of the bracket?

Let's see. How do they do it on the TV? On the

TV? On the TV. On the bracket to make it look

even. What does it say? All right, let's go down

to the bottom of the bracket here for our five

seed against our 12 seed. All right, so. Set

city up to city. So number 5 seed, let's just

stick with one character we've already talked

about. Number 5 seed with a combined score of

83 is going to be Thor Ragnarok. Why'd you pick

that? We already have some Thor stuff. This is

how it all goes, guys. Number 12 seed facing

off against Thor Ragnarok will be... Captain

America, the first Avenger. Oh, it's a good matchup

here. It's a good matchup. Dan, we didn't get

a lot of thoughts on the Black Panther Thor matchup,

so how about you start this one off? Thor Ragnarok

against Captain America, the first Avenger. Man,

this is tough. This is legitimately tough. It's

a good matchup. I like this matchup. Yeah, I'm

actually looking at my rankings, and these are

like right next to each other. Wait, you have

rankings? Don't everybody make my own He just

did a whole Marvel Cinematic rankings pay attention

his letterbox come on It's just you know, it's

not because of this is just because I am a loser

and I do things like that but so how I think

Looking at the most underrated of all the MCU

films. I think I would break for the first avenger

as that i love what joe joe johnson did with

it it feels like a classic serial at the time

i love how they incorporated um like the captain

america mythos to it like how he starts out as

this like propaganda piece and that's how he

gets his costume uh and curse evans was you know

phenomenal and there's so many great like character

moments with that um some of the cgi doesn't

hold up as much when he's like the regular steve

scrawny rogers as it was at the time i remember

saying it going back I can be watching it, but

I think it's one of the best origins we get out

of all those stories. My biggest complaint is

probably, like, it does feel like when it gets

into the actual World War II pieces, we don't

get enough of it. Like, it's a little bit of

a montage here and there. Like, I feel like we

could have spent more time. I know they had to

get a lot done, but I just thought the direction

that Joe Johnson, you know, it was dead, it was

very, I mean, very Spielberg -y, Spielberg -y

-esque. Like, he did the Rocketeer, and certainly

those elements played a big role. It has a lot

of character. A lot of people complain that a

lot of Marvel films look a lot alike. But I felt

like it was one of the first ones that really

had its own style, and especially considering

the time period it was in. You know, with the

Ragnarok, it just recently came out. Again, another

one that is very much fitting of the character

of Thor, it is, you know, it's got Kirby -esque...

designs everywhere and it's certainly a lot of

fun, hugely comedic, but I think I'm actually

gonna go first Avenger because I feel like it's

more of a complete movie in the sense of it has

comedic bits, it has more human drama. I think

Dragon Rock's probably more entertaining, more

in that sense, but as just looking for the complete

package, you know, like the utility team that

like to go to I'll try to get Kevin's vote. It's

like the Spurs, right? They're not like the most

entertaining team to watch, but they got every

piece that you need to win. So I'll go with Captain

America First Avenger. Interesting. All right.

So one vote for Captain America First Avenger.

Matt, does Jeff Goldblum sway you one way or

the other? It was he in one of these and I forgot

He was the collector he was a grand master or

should I say he was a grand master To straight

they seem like the same character like he's supposed

to be blue I get that he's the big guy, but he's

not the guy in that movie. That movie was so

much more Thor and Hulk and Hela, which is where

I focus. And Valkyrie, of course. I'm so worried

that I've got recency bias and all this, because

I feel like the last couple of Marvel movies

that come out are the best. And everything Dan

said about Captain America is right. Like, I

love that. Like, I'm always talking about that

fantasy journey, building a diverse team. Like,

that's one of my favorite things to see in a

movie. That's a great trope. But, like, well,

I mean, Thor does that, too. Like, Korg and Valkyrie.

Nah, like, I'm gonna go with Thor and, like,

I'm not gonna even feel bad. All right, Amanda,

is this where you're going to spread some more

Thor love or are you going to wait for another

chance later on? Oh, man, I have to go with Captain

America, the first Avenger. Well, I told you,

I told you, upset city. I actually just rewatched

Winter Soldier and it amazing movie. I'm sure

we'll get to it, but it really made me appreciate

the first one, too, is the first one with the

red skull agent Smith and he was. He was shit,

but I think even back then his face was super

cool and scary and I mean He's just he's just

agent Smith to me, but I think Hydra Hydra something

not to fuck with like they've been around they're

still around and Mean no, they break up at one

point right before at the end of this. Okay,

so how long are they around? Until this you didn't

mean they're a force we reckon with Hitler and

shit not cool I can't keep track of like on a

winding trail here trying to make it through

what you're saying. I tried not to be on in Matt's

kind of like he was saying the recency bias because

I did have a lot of fun with Thor but I think

a quality a more quality film is Captain America

and it's something that we hadn't gotten at this

point so I really enjoyed it. It's been a long

time since I saw the first Avenger so I too might

be leaning towards some type of recency bias

because I have more memories of Thor Ragnarok

obviously since it was just last year. I did

appreciate a lot of what Captain America did

and I like that what they're doing there when

they have the superhero kind of injected into

real historic events. The same types of things

worked very well with Wonder Woman etc. So I

did like Captain America the First Avenger quite

a bit and I think it was also very important

for where they were at in the time frame of the

Marvel Cinematic Universe and I think Chris Evans

is perfect at that and I actually thought Red

Skull was really good as a villain. I think sometimes

he gets the short end of the stick because everybody

always talks about how all the villains aren't

good in the MCU and I think there's been a lot

that have been good for various reasons. But

man, Thor Ragnarok was so much fun. I mean, I

laughed a ton. I liked all the visuals, especially

the Asgard and kind of how they were. Disassembling

the the mythos behind that etc. And I think there

was just a lot of cool moments again I love Tom

Hiddleston and every single film inside the MCU

that he's appeared in so I'm gonna be Leaning

towards Thor Ragnarok with Matt. So that means

DJ you are needed All right, look I'm looking

at my my my list here my I also made a nerdy

list like the ended and Thor is ranked higher,

but now that damn brings it up and I think about

it Door Ragnarok is cotton candy and Captain

America The First Avenger is like a good meal.

It's like that meal Timon Lee Jones is eating

when he's questioning Armand Zola. Is this a

steak and potatoes really good for you meal?

Where, you know, Door Ragnarok tastes amazing

and but like five minutes later your sugar high

runs out and you're kind of like that. Stuff

sticks with me from Captain America The First

Avenger. One, it probably has the greatest love

story of any MCU movie that we've gotten. though

Amanda does not like him, I think Rizko's one

of the most underrated villains in all of comic

book movies. I mean, it's frickin' Hugo Weaving

doing a Werner Herzog impersonation for the entire

time. Chris Evans, the level - I just feel like

he should be in the J .I. Joe movie. I'm like,

isn't this the dude from J .I. Joe? No, that's

Joseph Gordon -Levitt. But I mean, Chris Evans,

the level of difficulty, for one, having Chris

Evans jump from being the much maligned human

torch to being a - Captain America and Captain

America working in a country other than America

is such a high hurdle to jump and then you get

Bucky who I didn't give a shit about as a comic

fan the comics and now Sebastian Stan is like

Mr. Hot guy it's like Chris Hemsworth and then

Bucky everywhere. I can't get away from him He's

everywhere. So just so much good stuff in Captain

America And there's a lot of it is before he

becomes Captain America the hand grenade scene

with Tommy Lee Jones Oh, yeah, by the way, Tommy

Lee effing Jones is in this movie What's his

name from Lord of the Rings the main dwarf I

forget his name I can't remember. He's the assassin.

There's so many freaking great things going on

in this movie And I knew this was gonna be an

episode, so I said, please don't let Captain

America First Adventure go in against something

that's recent, because people are gonna get pissed,

because... Joe Johnston invented Boba Fett. I

gotta go with Captain America First Avengers.

I gotta do it. I have to do it. Alright, that

means we have our first upset of the tournament

with the number 12 seed advancing over the number

5 seed, Thor Ragnarok. And they will be, Captain

America will be facing off against the winner

of this next matchup, the 4 and 13 seed. See

if we have an upset here or not. Number 13 seed

would be none other than Iron Man 3. Which is

a combined score of 71. Iron Man 3 will be facing

off against, as fate has it, Captain America

Civil War. Captain America Civil War would be

a four seed at an 83 combined score. So the winner

faces Captain America First of Avenger. Are we

going to have a Captain America versus Captain

America or is Iron Man 3 going to get in the

way of that? Matt, let's start with you. What

do you think about Civil War versus Iron Man

3? Oh, man, these two shouldn't be against each

other. Like, why is Iron Man 3 so low? I could

give you 28 reasons why, but continue. Oh, a

good 22 of those would be wrong, too. Those are

very specific numbers by both of you. I'll be

specific once I get more lists. There's more

lists. Like, I think these are my two favorite

from their respective, like, lines like for sure

like I really liked Iron Man 3 I didn't know

that that that was a controversial opinion but

like Captain America 3's might be the best Avengers

movie there is. For the record the gap between

the Rotten Tomatoes scorers is 66 to 97 so none

of them are really ranked too low I mean Iron

Man 3 has an 80 % so it wasn't a bad one but

there's just a lot that are ranked higher than

it. Man still still like like they're both great

movies and I would I would normally go for Iron

Man 3 because I think in my opinion it's probably

top 5 but like Cap 3 is top 2 top 3 territory

Like that one like just hands down like the way

they brought everything in them. They had spider

-man No one thought spider -man was gonna happen

like even ant -man who had like one of the smallest

stories pun unintended Like ended up making his

way into this massive giant superhero fight and

like that brought in Black Panther, which we

just talked about being amazing. Yeah, so your

votes for Civil War Oh, undoubtedly. Dan, do

you agree or disagree? I agree like I actually

I like Iron Man 3 as well like it I know people

hate demand or interest for me it was the first

time that character was interesting in his history

of being a character and I love like what Shane

Black did and getting you know utilizing like

his style and basically making it a buddy cop

and like getting Tony Stark to be a character

outside of the armor and some of the innovations

they had to do so I really enjoy Iron Man 3 I

do think it's like last like it's overall main

villain like oh I can't think of his name the

guy who plays the or Aldrich Killian yeah he's

probably he's overall a little weak um stronger

than some of the other Marvel villains but he's

he's um Guy Pearce's performance is a little

I which I have I love Guy Pearce but he's a little

over the place in that but yeah it's it's a little

unfair in a way though because it's it's it is

it's basically an Avengers movie going against

the third Iron Man film um but yeah like I think

whatever disappointment I may have gotten from

other Avengers movies we'll probably talk about

soon. Their grosses are close too, by the way.

I think Iron Man 3 made a billion dollars and

so did Civil War. Yeah, but yeah, Civil War was

just everything I wanted it to be and more. probably

proved upon the story, it was based on the comic

book story, just the relationships and what it

did. It had, again, a lot of great characters

moments. It brought in all these different pieces.

It had a lot of things, a lot of moving pieces,

and it all worked. And even though you had all

these different characters that were a part of

it, it still felt like Cap's story. You know,

obviously there's other people that took part

of it, but I think ultimately at the soul, it

was, you know, cause he was the one making, having

to make this decision. So yeah. Civil War is

up there near the top for me, so I think it's

possibly a favorite to go all the way, so I'm

going Civil War. I think the other thing, too,

another underrated villain that doesn't get enough

credit, and I think, too, what Civil War does

well is it adds another unique twist, obviously,

with the two guys butting heads more than just

a simple argument within a film, but making it

kind of the crux of the whole storyline here.

It makes for an interesting dynamic where you

kind of have people choosing sides, etc. So I

thought that added a new twist to something we

hadn't seen before. I do like you, Dan. I like

Iron Man 3 better than a lot of people do. I

like the way they did the Mandarin thing. So

that didn't bother me at all. So I think Iron

Man 3 is deserving of a higher ranking than it

probably got. But as luck would have it, where

how I'm ranking this stuff, it ends up in the

13 seed going against Civil War. And that's kind

of unfair. So my vote would be Civil War as well.

Amanda, what do you think? Oh, hands down, Civil

War. I do really appreciate when they kind of

bring Tony Stark down to a more human level,

him out of the suit, like Dan said, and kind

of humble him for a little bit, bring him back

to say, hey, you know, this is just the suit.

Who are you? Are you Iron Man? And I really appreciated

all that. But Civil War, there's just so much,

so much in here to love. And more Bucky, of course.

See? See? He is so badass. I just watched this

too. I've been sick, so I've been watching a

lot of movies like this, rewatching. And it's

just such super cool scenes with Bucky fighting,

like the things that he's able to do. Him facing

off Black Panther and like getting you know hit

that a little preview of him a little previous

spider -man Some some really awesome stuff. All

right DJ. Did we get it right with the unanimous?

Vote for someone. Did you get it right? Are you

out of your mind? Iron Man 3? Iron Man 3? You

know what? I won't take up too much of your time.

Never mind. I'll keep this to myself. I could

go on for hours about how Iron Man 3 is the last

Jedi of the MCU where it's a great film, but

it's not an Iron Man movie. Just like Last Jedi

is a great movie, it's not a Star Wars movie.

We're going to have a whole spin -off episode

with Matt and DJ going against, talking about

both of those films and their franchises. It's

fine. Some people just love everything to be

completely different than everything else all

the time, but then you gotta remember you're

essentially taking your hand and you're making

a fist and you're raising your middle finger

to the people who actually love Iron Man. So

it's like, okay, I wanted to be different and

I don't care about you loving the Mandarin. And

the problem with the Mandarin twist wasn't the

fact that they did the twist. It was the fact

that they actually got the Mandarin to work for

the first half of the movie. I was like, holy

shit, the Mandarin actually works. Oh, he doesn't

exist. He's fucking. Guy Pearce. All right. So

I just kind of slugged. I don't know. Well, as

someone who is an Iron Man fan, has been an Iron

Man fan for, you know, 20 years. You're right.

I didn't take it as a middle finger. I took it

as, hey, we realized this is a problematic character

and in order for it to work, you have to not

expect it. So it worked. Just watch Kiss Kiss

Bang Bang. It's the same effing movie. It's literally

the same movie. It's a better movie, actually.

Watch Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Alright, so guys,

listeners, fans, if you want a spinoff episode

with these guys going toe to toe, Iron Man 3

and Last Jedi Talk, we can make that happen.

Alright, let's move on though. Civil War advances,

just so you guys know that means he's facing

off against the first Avenger next round. Let's

go up to the other part of the bracket to see

who's going to go against the Black Panther.

And that would be our number eight and our number

nine seed matchup number eight seed That would

be dr. Strange With an 81 combined score number

nine seed only one seed different I guess we're

going a lot of the same places here number nine

seat is Captain America the Winter Soldier because

So dr. Strange Captain America the Winter Soldier

Dan start with you. I know where this is going,

but we'll go to you anyway Did I mention Captain

America is my favorite superhero? So does that

mean that all three of the Captain America films

are on this side of the bracket? So I at first

want to know why is it only an 80 score? Like

that should be it. That should be it. The Medic

Critic, it's Medic Critic's score is 70. Not

only is Captain America my favorite superhero,

but Winter Soldier's storyline is probably in

my top five favorite runs, like what Ed Brubaker

did. The movie's much different. It has elements

from it, but overall it's a much different story.

It goes to different records with different things.

To me, Winter Soldier was like... We'll talk

about it more, but to me it upped the game for

Marvel films. The Russo Brothers came in and

like... immediately they became like new contenders

from the first scene when he's on the boat and

uh he uh they made i think they made the world

fall in love with captain america even more so

than verse avenger you know like i think for

a lot of people they like they like captain enjoyed

the first film but i think this made him into

a badass so uh it's an easy i like dr strange

well enough but It doesn't hold a candle to the

Winter Soldier. The Rotten Tomatoes Metacritic

might have told me that this is an 8 -9 matchup,

but in my mind this might as well be a 16 -1,

because the Winter Soldier demolishes Doctor

Strange in almost every way, shape, and form.

This is not close. An 8 -9 seed matchup should

be more... More stuff should be up for debate

and discussion, but I vote for Captain America

the Winter Soldier. Amanda, what do you think?

Yeah, definitely. Cool stuff happens, but he's

Dr. Strange, Stephen Strange, your little whiny

bitch. He kind of irritates me in the beginning

when he's all, you know, self -loathing and shit.

And we just get so much amazing, cool action

and storyline from Winter Soldier, it's no competition

here. Matt, do you agree with us, or are you

gonna throw some love to Dr. Strange away? Throw

some shade? Yeah, Matt. Throw some shade! Kevin,

trying to keep it positive, huh? Like, oh man,

I think this is a lot closer than everyone else

has given it credit. Like, you mentioned the

two of them, and I immediately was like, oh,

I don't like that. Because, like, I mean, Captain

America 2. I think, so I've said, I've said a

million times if you're actually listening to

this podcast, you know my opinion that the second

one in any MCU movie is weaker than the first

and the third is better than both of those. But

I think in the Captain America one, the first

and second are the two closest of any of those

pairs. I think that second one is way stronger

and held up way better than Iron Man 2 or Thor

2 by like just leaps and bounds. And things like

Falcon, they did the Falcon and they didn't do

him cheesy and they made him really interesting

and he might have even been the best part of

that movie which had a bunch of great parts to

it. And he's very very attractive and he has

you know, he's a badass Yes metal arm. I mean

come on I'm not into that cold arms and like

I get goosebumps on one side not down for it

making good points there you think a good point

for the record for the record dr Strange of the

higher seed dr Strange the higher rotten tomato

score dr Strange the higher metacritic score

over Captain America, the Winter Soldier. Correct.

Correct. Matt, I didn't get to give you a chance

to say where you're actually going with this.

Finish your thought. Hey, you haven't cashed

your vote. It doesn't matter, but we need to

get it on paper so we can continue. Like, I think

that they both added a bunch of amazing things

to the MCU, right? Like, seeing Doctor Strange

pop up in more and more movies is going to be

great, and you couldn't do it without this. I

think his movie was so incredibly necessary.

But I'm just gonna abstain, because you don't

need my vote, because this is a real close one

for me. DJ, are we right or wrong? Go ahead,

Dan. Oh, sorry. I said the one thing for Doctor

Strange. I do think it has one of the best endings

of any Marvel film. Yes. Because it's not like

it's not a gigantic battle it will utilize as

a character in dr. Strange in a in a unique way

shows how he's different than some of the other

Marvel heroes out of my head part I was thinking

it was the first time I've ever Everybody the

Marvel give those the villains are this horrible

and the ending the movies are all the same There's

no ending in any MCU movie like how dr. Strange

deals with Dormammu. It's like and once you know

what's happening you're like Oh, that's pretty

clever. And you didn't see it coming. Most of

these, you know, the stereotypes of these Marvel

movies are they all have the same cliched ending,

the villain fights, or the hero fights, the villain

version of himself. But Dormammu is nothing like

Doctor Strange, even though he's played by the

same actor. But the way he handles them is literally

through self -sacrifice. I just thought that

was really, really interesting. Doctor Strange

has one of the best casts of any MCU movie. Tilda

Swinn is... I can watch Tilda Swinn read a phone

book. He's awesome. She would tell LGO4, of course,

he's awesome. They didn't really utilize Mads

Mikkelsen. Dr. Strange has amazing set pieces.

But again, it's going against the Winter Soldier,

which I'm going to save my thoughts on. You're

fighting Hercules here, man. All right. So that

means Captain America moves on. Three with Captain

America sounds like it Alright, so that means

the next matchup right there is the number one

seed against the number nine seed Black Panther

Captain America the Winter Soldier. Let's stick

with it This is We're doing one side and then

one side next week yeah so we're into the next

round here to try to the semi -final on this

side of the bracket i guess but black panther

and winter soldier i think a lot of people would

put those two in the top at least the top four

so they're facing off right now with a chance

to move on i guess but this is tough winter soldier

black panther matt let's go right to you to start

this one off uh how do you try to break this

one down or is this too tough to call Well, it's

really easy because we're talking about how attractive

Sebastian Stan is and he's got nothing on, he

doesn't have anything on T 'Challa, he doesn't

have anything on Baku. If we're going just on

sheer beauty, I think Black Panther wins this

one. Like, away! Oh, it's attractive! Let's not

go that far. There's a reason he doesn't do a

lot of on -screen - No, I'm just kidding. So,

making sure that Christopher Eccleston and, uh,

um... Andy Serkis. Andy Serkis. Andy Serkis,

don't listen to this, because, man, we are really

going after the British. Don't let Vietnamese

babies listen to this either. Yeah, don't let

them, because this is just not appropriate for

Vietnamese babies. They're gonna learn the truth.

Circus, I said you were attractive. They shot

me down. I'm sorry. I always put three green

dots on you. I just, I broke it, guys. I wasn't

a huge fan of Winter Soldier. I'm not saying

it's bad. It doesn't rate high for me. And Black

Panther, like I said, was Chef Kiss is all I

need to say about that movie. I think that was

that one. Maybe it was Thor 3. They're both great.

So vote for Black Panther for Matt. Amanda was

saying under her breath, what's wrong with you?

In a different voice. So Amanda, what do you

think? What's wrong with you? What is wrong with

you? I don't need to say this, but Winter Soldier,

all the way for me, the action is superb, the

haircuts are superb. The haircuts are pretty

dope. If we were going to go on soundtrack, I

would definitely pick Black Panther. Oh, really?

Oh, wow. Yeah, the soundtrack. And I think that...

um we get a lot more like mystical magical cool

um cg looking stuff in wakanda which was dope

it was like almost like a live action um like

lion king if simba when simba and mufasa are

talking in the clouds like that's what it felt

like to me um but i Everything that I want out

of a movie ever, I got out of Winter Soldier.

So that is split right now. One for Black Panther,

one for Winter Soldier. Dan, go to you next.

Try to sway me one way or the other, too, because

I am undecided. This is really hard. I didn't

think I'd get to this already. Round four? I'm

looking at what does what better? And where are

the, you know... We're the strengths and weaknesses

of both like obviously we people talk about Black

Panther having a great villain and it does But

I think for winter soldier it also has a good

villain and I think winter soldier as a villain

is he's very different Obviously, he's not a

sympathetic villain He kind of is because he's

a you know, he's a person that's not controlling

his own actions in a way But he works as almost

like a tornado s type of character where he's

just he's unstoppable he's you know he's got

a greater introduction where like you see him

blow up nick fury and he's just like stepped

out of the way of the car um you know blowing

up and um i'll just so i think like the villain

isn't as big of a um you know in most movies

black panther would have far and above an advantage

there not so much with this comparison again

Both have really strong cast. I think Black Panther

probably has the advantage there overall, because

just more characters feel like they develop.

But Winter Soldier, I think this is really where

Scarlett Johansson, I think, took the Black Widow

character to a new level her relationship with.

With Steve Rogers and you know Falcon come in

and as we mentioned he ended up being a really

great character This also had a huge hydro twist

that a lot of people didn't seem coming and has

had huge ramifications for all the MCU moving

forward and ultimately like I think the biggest

advantage that it has over the Black Panther

is the fact that its action is just to me much

more visceral and exciting from like the opening

boat sequence that like you that It's Captain

America jumping out of a plane without a parachute.

Him taking out the helicarrier with just a shield

and the fight in the elevator sequence. Each

fight sequence I thought was really effective

and really good. Black Panther has the casino

sequence, the other ones aren't. are okay. I

don't think they ever reach the level or the

consistency of Winter Soldier. So in a pure entertainment

standpoint, Winter Soldier has my vote. I mean,

I think Black Panther certainly has thematically

more weight to it. It's probably a much more

meaningful film. but so that's where I think

that's where I think the two it's really hard

to determine which one's more important but I

think ultimately like what one do I enjoy more

if I was gonna go to a theater and they had an

opportunity not ignoring the fact I've seen Winter

Soldier like 15 ,000 times and only Black Panther

once. I probably would see Winter Soldier, but

it's really hard to choose. But I'll go Winter

Soldier. I think they're not really, really great

about it. I think you make good points about

the action. I think the action is superior in

the Winter Soldier. The action sequences, fight

sequences, et cetera. I think they're just easier

to follow. They're better choreographed and from

a visual standpoint, better. Black Panther is

so important for so many other reasons. You know,

not as surface level, maybe. So it's so... tough.

I do agree. I think the cast is better and overall

maybe in Black Panther. But see the reason we

bring a guest on like this. Oh boy here we go.

So I don't vote. So I'll vote for Black Panther.

So I'll vote for Black Panther and make DJ decide.

You son of a bitch. You know what you're getting

yourself into. That's what he's doing now. Alright

look alright in a personal level. All right,

look, I got my list here. I'm gonna go with my

list, all right? And I think Dan, and you out

there, you hit it pretty much on the head. The

importance of Black Panther is amazing, but the

way Ryan Coogler, who again, coming off of Creed,

knew how to shoot action in Creed really well,

I think mainly because of, it's almost like Christopher

Nolan dabbing against things. He has the camera

too close. and and not until I think the next

movie he will learn to pull the camera back on

where the russo's I guess trusted their stunt

choreographer to do that pull the camera back

so we can take in the action And I think I was

on this show years ago talking about, we might

have been on this exact show, but it was on the

GeekHas Radio Network talking about action sequences.

And you can follow all my Twitter handle when

Winter Soldier came out. That knife flip that

Winter Soldier does to me is the greatest, that

might be the greatest action scene in comic book

movie history. It's up there with Spider -Man

2 on the train. I will watch that street fight

between Winter Soldier and Captain America forever.

It is awesome. I'm gonna do after the show, I'm

gonna watch it again, because it's so effing

good. And it's telling a story because at the

end, it starts because of who the hell is Bucky.

It's like, oh my God. We knew it's Bucky, but

even that moment, Chris Evans sells it. So there's

so much stuff going on that's great in that movie.

We haven't even talked about Robert Redford,

who essentially is another underrated villain

who probably should have been the Red Skull because

he is in the comic books. It's just so good.

Black Panther, in terms of importance, in terms

of making a dent and being a phenomenon, sure.

But I think in terms of ramifications, the Hydra

Twist, a twist on the right, Mandarin by the

way, I think is just a better film. Not by a

lot, just a better film from the beginning to

end. The Winter Soldier grabs that motorcycle

with his sexy middle arm. That was real to me.

I was like, this happened in real life. Like,

you really did that. I believed it. You're mixing

it up. That's Civil War. That's in Civil War.

I can't get this straight. It's just Bucky. It's

so much Bucky. Too much Captain America on this

side of the bracket. Did you watch a Bucky only

movie by any chance? I did. It was all just Bucky.

Is there a special feature on one of them that

just has all the Bucky sequences? I just watched

Civil War and Winter Soldier like back to back.

That's fine. And it's so much Bucky. It was on

TNT or something. I couldn't help it. It was

on. I had to watch it. So wait a second. Am I

getting this right here? Black Panther, eight

points higher on Rotten Tomatoes, 18 points higher

on Metacritic. The number one seed, are we eliminating

the number one seed right here? Is that what

you're saying? I wouldn't have put Black Panther

number one seed. So Captain America and the Winter

Soldier, the number nine seed somehow, is upsetting

both the number eight seed and the number one

seed, which means that Winter Soldier will go

against the winner of this matchup. It's getting

weird here, I can't hardly keep track of this.

We have number four seed, Captain America Civil

War, going against... First Avenger beat Thor

Ragnarok, right? Yes. Going against Captain America

the First Avenger. Aren't you writing this down?

No, I'm not writing anything down. I'm trying

to go by my head here and it's not helping me.

What are you doing? It's a terrible idea! Get

your shit together Kevin! So, Civil War against

the First Avenger. Hopefully I got that right.

That means we have three movies left on this

side, and they're all put together. That's America's

really good, guys. Jesus. Dan, help me out here.

Civil War, First Avenger, who's the better film?

First Avenger was a great origin, but I think,

like we said, it shouldn't be called Captain.

It's really Avengers Civil War. It's a tough

act to go up against. It's plain one -on -one,

but the other team is five players. And you're

going to get crushed. So I love, again, I feel

like my personal bias is bleeding into this episode.

It's a little too much. But I'm going to go Civil

War. It helps, though, where the MCU was. Captain

America is their third, fourth movie. So they're

still kind of figuring things out. By Civil War,

they're a down path. They know what they're doing.

They have directors coming back to the same character

for knowing where they're moving. I'm going Civil

War. It's pretty easy for me in this one. Civil

War was the highest seeded team, I guess, in

this quadrant of the bracket at the number four

seed, going against First Avenger, which is the

12th seed. Amanda, do you agree that this one's

easy Civil War, the four seed is deserving? Yeah,

definitely Civil War. Alright, Matt, what do

you think? Yeah, like, it's not even close. Alright,

so we we were loving first Avenger when it came

to Thor Ragnarok and now we're we're obviously

going the Civil War route. Who's this we? Civil

War unanimous DJ did we get it right? Yeah, I'm

gonna save my Civil War thoughts until later

until probably about right now because oh boy

The semi -final on this side of the bracket I

guess the final four matchup if you will is a

Captain America Civil War versus Captain America

the Winter Soldier So Captain America Civil War

already took out the first Avenger. Can it also

take out the Winter Soldier? That's the question

nine seed against four seed Amanda Winter Soldier

or Civil War? You just said you watched them

both. I know you can't keep them straight. You

don't know which one's which. It's all one movie

right now. It's one movie. Which ones play Panther

and Amanda? Tell us! Tell us! They're both? Both?

Civil War. Civil War. Oh, Civil War. You gotta

think of it like this. Like, are Bucky and Cap

friends? Huh? Or enemies? Which ones? Which ones?

That's the difference. Well, let's let Amanda

sort this out a little bit. Let's go to you,

Matt, since you have it sorted out. Winter Soldier

or Civil War? Which one do you think? Oh! like

civil war was so good like i said like i said

uh the it goes first there it goes third first

second and and this like is very true a second

versus the third even even a close one like this

is is still gonna go to the civil war like i

i uh i loved the cap bucky like team up like

coming back to each other like this like that

bromance is always a thing i'm gonna be down

with um like so we haven't even talked about

that ass like we've been talking about how it's

an avengers movie but like the parts that aren't

the avengers movie are also stellar I agree with

that. Is this going to be the classic case where

you have the big upset and then it's like the

hungover next game where the Winter Soldier takes

out Black Panther but now cannot take out Civil

War? Winter Soldier should be in a different

bracket than these people. Dan, how do we make

heads or tails of this Civil War or this Captain

America chaos? I'll vote for Captain America.

Well, good chance of Captain America being represented

in the finals, guys. Yeah. I mean, this is legitimately

like my one and two when it comes to the rankings

of these movies. And it's tough because they

go both ways so much. They're basically the,

you know, the continuant. They're telling us,

well, it's Marvel, so they're all telling the

same story. But these two specifically more so,

I think, than any of the other films are so much

tied to one another. It's I think ultimately

I think I'm gonna go Winter Soldier Because I

feel like there's an intimacy within that that

because I think Civil War is more of a spectacle

it not in a way but I just like the like again

like the the the way that Winter Soldier plays

out I think it Possibly maybe because Civil War

had heights had higher expectations, but I ended

up being just amazed with what they did with

Winter Soldier. Again, talking about some of

the twists that they were able to put into it.

I thought the actions and pieces were more consistent.

And I like the film more than like I thought,

you know, Daniel Brol did an okay job, but I

felt like he there was a lot more contrivances

and what he was able to do in order to make sure

everyone was at the right spot in order to do

like it make his plan work where I didn't feel

like that happened. These are two great movies.

It's really, you know, hard to really nitpick

either one of them, but I'll go Winter Soldier.

Alright, so that's one vote for Winter Soldier,

one vote for Civil War Amanda. Civil War is the

one with all the Avengers, and Winter Soldier

is the one with just Cap and Bucky, man. So Black

Panther is only in Civil War. Okay, so my thing

is I really like everybody coming together. I

thought that this final... They're not final.

You know, when they finally all get together

here and then they're taking sides, they're showing

the sides, um, butting heads, some really cool

stuff goes down. But I just think I was really

blown away by what I got out of Winter Soldier.

And I liked the dynamic of Kat versus Winter

Soldier. I think there's some really, really

awesome moments between them when they're pitted

against each other. I thought she was gonna say

civil war in which case I was gonna do an easy

throw -in to winter soldier and make DJ pick

again But now I got to think a little bit harder.

I'm just a host though. I'm not supposed to give

opinions I'm supposed to let you guys all talk.

No I'm like the bracket here. I'm the announcer.

I'm not supposed to get involved uh... man civil

war i agree i do like the the the faction idea

i think anytime there's factions like spinoff

or separate and that intrigues the crap out of

me that's uh... I don't know, it's just a cool

aspect of any type of situation, especially when

we've seen them all be on the same side up to

this point. And you can kind of see where both

sides are coming from, so it's kind of interesting

to see which character would go which direction

for what reason. So I think all of that's good.

I think Dan makes a good point about the villain

and kind of the overall story though for Winter

Soldier and kind of how that goes back and forth.

I think it's very similar to what we were talking

about when we were talking about Thor Ragnarok

and Captain America the First Avenger because

maybe one of them was more of a complete movie

story type thing and the other one's like DJ,

you know the meal versus cotton candy type thing.

I think if you were doing that in this scenario,

Civil War would have to take the role of the

cotton candy. And Winter Soldier would have to

take the role of the meal. But like Dan also

said, these are two phenomenal movies. So let's

not throw shade either way. How do I have to

vote to make it to go to DJ? Stop it. Stop it.

Leave me alone. Civil War. Civil War goes to

DJ. I'll vote for Civil War. DJ, hear up. What

the fuck? I just want to give you a feeling that

you mean something towards this, that you're

important. Oh, thanks. Thanks a lot. Thanks a

lot. The hate mail comes toward me. www .kissmyass

.com. All right, look, Dan will probably know

this. The first comic book I ever bought for

myself ever as a child was Punisher War Journal

Number 15. And on the cover of that was Punisher

and behind him clinging to a wall. was this guy

named Spider -Man and ever since then Spider

-Man has been my favorite superhero of all time

and Tobey Maguire did a great job with Spider

-Man or Peter Parker mostly and Andrew Garfield

did a great job at Spider -Man but not Peter

Parker. This was the first time I have seen a

live -action Spider -Man from Peter Parker the

Spider -Man and I was against Tom Holland being

Spider -Man I wanted to ace a Butterfield I was

like give him the guy from give it to him because

he looks like Peter Parker I was so down on Tom

Holland down down down and then the moment it

says Queens and I see Tony Stark Peter walk up

a thing and he's talking on me I'm like that's

my childhood walking around talking there's on

me there's there's iron man having a conversation

with peter parker and him saying with great power

great responsibility in a way where he doesn't

have to say it so hipsters say it's so lame he

says it in the same way where it's actually cool

and you get it And it's great. And that's just

effing Spider -Man in the movie. I'm not talking

about Black Panther, who's effing amazing, Chadwick

Boseman's awesomely in everything he does. I'm

not talking about how great Cap is. I'm not talking

about how I'm team Iron Man, even though I love

Captain America in that situation. I'm not talking

about how the freaking people who directed John

Wick did the action sequence, not since Avengers

the first one. where I took my sister who does

not like comic movies or anything like that.

I took her to see Avengers the first one and

in the middle of the action sequence at the end,

she turns to me in the middle and goes, this

is so cool. Not since that movie. Has she done

that until Civil War during the airport sequence?

That airport sequence is effing amazing. And

for the fact that Russo's had all of these characters

and everybody gets a moment, including, Matt

said it, including effing Ant -Man, who essentially

is like, I'm shaking your hand too hard. I know

you too, you're great. Everybody has a moment

in that movie. It is so good from beginning to

end, I have to go to Civil War. And I love Winter

Soldier, I love it. but there's things that I

thought I would never ever see in human history

that's in Civil War, so I gotta go Civil War.

Alright, so that means the number four seed on

this side of the bracket will represent that

side in the finale. Taking out, let's see, we

saw the number one fall, number five Thor Ragnarok

fell, and obviously the Winter Soldier at number

nine seed we all thought should be ranked a little

bit higher, but Captain America three... Representations

on that side, one of which will end up in the

finale with Captain America Civil War. Dan, quick

preview or thoughts? You know which films have

not been talked about yet, so what are your early

thoughts, not knowing who's going against who

for the other side of the bracket? I can't wait

until we finally get to Batman vs. Superman.

Oh, God. Oh, and the whole show was ruined. It

was all positive up until that point. Sorry,

no. I'm excited because like... There's a lot

of you know, we got a this was captain apparently

we were in the Captain America section of the

bracket so we'll we'll maybe get in the more

the Guardians and Avengers side next week Yeah,

that'll be interesting. Matt, what are your thoughts?

Obviously, you know, too, like, like I said,

there's a lot of Avengers films, a lot of Guardians

films, some Iron Man films that we have not talked

about. DJ Spider -Man. So what do you think in

this? So we're a good bet. Our odds on favorite

or is there a competitor amongst that other group?

I mean, well, wait, we having the Avengers movies

be in here because like those are so high, like.

Like, oh yeah, you're talking Iron Man. Like,

Iron Man 1's not gonna hold anything to the Avengers.

Like, one of the greatest cinematic achievements

ever. These are facts. It's gonna be interesting

to see how the seeding goes because it's gonna

make for some interesting matchups for sure and

an interesting path to try to get to the finale

here. It's not gonna be easy for anybody. Amanda,

what are your thoughts on the Civil War being

one of the two finalists here? I feel good about

it. I think that everything everybody said so

far about it rings totally true and it's deserving.

So DJ, will we get a true Civil War with Captain

America going against Iron Man in the finale?

Will we get Avengers Civil War versus Avengers

Avengers? What do you think? Is Guardians a dark

horse? What do you think? and the immortal words

of Simon Gruber. Not a chance. There's no way

Avengers is not coming out of here. The only

thing I can think that could upset it is if I

get a tiebreaker and somebody has it split between

something and homecoming because if that happens

then maybe we'll get a little upset but yeah

you're right I think that the seeding is gonna

because I think Thor right honestly we're a soldier

should have been in this other bracket. And maybe

Spider -Man should have been in this bracket

because I think this one or two movies are going

to run away with it in next bracket. We'll have

to wait and see and you guys will have to wait

and see until next Episode because we're only

doing this half of the bracket We're gonna give

you guys a week to think about it to pine over

things to start You know your your drives and

your petitions for for the next half of the bracket

and you'll have to let us know We apologize to

all of the Vietnamese babies who we can offend

next week. DJ, thank you so much for coming on

and in very short notice. How can people listen

to more of your voice? If you want, go to trying

to be DJ V. That's my Twitter handle. Or you

can go to our show, the Simplistic Reviews podcast

on YouTube, iTunes, Stitcher, TuneIn, and the

dark web. If you want somewhere to start with

the simplistic reviews, I just recommend starting

with episode 100. Somebody on this show other

than me was on there, so he's promoting himself.

Just a self -promoter. Just work your way backward.

I think we suggested that on the episode. How

does one get to the dark web? How can I get there?

That's another episode. That's bonus content

somewhere along the way. Dan, if people want

to get in touch with you and pick more of your

Captain America brain, how would they get a hold

of you? They can follow me at Amorivolt, also

check out the Comic Con Chairs podcast. We'll

all talk about Captain America on occasion. It

might happen. Dan, do you want to give just a

couple quick seconds on that new project that

you're working on and give people a better idea

of what that is? Yeah, so the Common Contribute

airs podcast comes out on Mondays and Thursdays

at 12. On Mondays I run down the previous week's

comics, some of the key notable issues, do my

recommendation of the week, which is what I think

is like the best jumping on point from the week

prior. On Thursdays I bring on someone like Kevin,

opposite of Solo, talk about someone who's either...

uh never been in comic never really read comics

before or someone who has to recommend them a

book based upon their interests i've talked to

jd duran from in session film on uh we did royal

city a jeff lamer series and so that's um Been

going on so check that out a lot of comic talk.

It's been a lot of fun so far Absolutely. Check

that out for sure Amanda. How can people reach

you on Twitter? You can find me at hard candy

Mandy eyes. No lies I'm everywhere, but nothing

you were just also on another episode of another

show I don't know if it's been aired yet that

people can keep their eyes peeled for what? I

will be on an episode of the grand gesture podcast

coming out next month Coming on April pretty

sure. All right, so you can listen to her talk

with some other folks as well Twitter. I'm at

Fridley Sun. Who's eating Cheetos? DJ? I'm not

eating Cheetos. My hands are clean. And so at

Fridley Sun for Matt, if you want to get in touch

with me, it's at Optima Solo. Or if you want

to tweet to the whole show, that would be at

Cinema Geekcast. So wait a second. So I was on

the most recent episode of Comic Concierge. I

was on the episode 100 for Simple Tweeters. I'm

just making the rounds. You're a whore. That's

why I'm trying not to talk. I'm just letting

DJ do all the voting. Who am I marrying? So that's

it for this week guys tune in next week for the

other side of the bracket to see who will face

off against Captain America Civil War in the

grand finale I Tried a couple different ways

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in technologies? Not good bedfellows. And I'm

a technician, like, I should be used to this.

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and I just started pounding it. So I got to this

thing where it was like, you can open this and

type in your, you know, username, make a username.

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wouldn't let me type. So I just like punched

it a bunch of times and shut it. So I'm working

on it. I did accept it though, I think. I saw

it was there, I tried, and I'll get to it.