Marvel Cinematic Universe March Madness Bracket Part 2

Hey, Tara Strong here, and you're listening to

the GeekCast Radio Network. Hello and welcome

to episode 167 of The Cinema Geeks. I am one

of your Cinema Geeks, Optimus Solo. Joining me

today is, hard candy, Maddie? Uh, I'm always

here, hey. You're always here except for those

times when you're not. Almost. When I get drunk

or whatever, sick, something. We'll say, yeah,

drunk, sick. I think that happened one way of

each. Mr. Frillysent, hello. Hi. Yeah, throwing

off the order. And movie revolver Dan, hi. Hey,

yeah. Don't know. Yeah. Don't throw me off, man.

Come on. We've only done the same thing for how

many episodes? It's a cruel and unusual punishment

for me to go in any other order right now. It's

only because you don't have a script in front

of you right now. That's true. Going off the

cuff here. And a special guest joining us back,

returning from last week's episode to finish

off this madness, is DJ Valentine. So Iron Man

Rebounds right, feeds Cap on the break, over

to Spider -Man, then to Thor, back to Shell Head,

boom! Two points. Excellent. So like he's alluding

to, we are getting back into our March Madness

bracket. Last week we decided to kind of get

in the spirit of things. So if you're looking

for a podcast to kind of ease, scratch that itch

if you're waiting for a Cinderella story or trying

to hear some more about bracket busters and you

can't get enough of it on the TV with the basketball,

then you can turn your attention to us because

we're doing those same types of things but with

all of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That's

right, we're pitting all of the Marvel movies

against each other because that is cruel. And

as we saw... last week sometimes also I don't

know what cannibalistic when we were pitting

Captain America against Captain America and then

more Captain America on top of that I don't know

what the situation is but it's the Belko experiment

comic book style yeah basically so last week

we went through half of the bracket so we covered

the eight seeds on that side as well as one playing

game so I guess nine films total this week we're

gonna go to the other side and then cap it off

no pun intended with a grand finale Dan, are

you excited to see what matchups we have on this

side of the bracket? Of course, of course. Awfully,

I mean last time I really like, it was like picking

my favorite kid. So I think it's going to be

challenging. Yeah, there was definitely some

interesting ways that the seeding worked out

and for those of you that didn't tune in last

week, I suggest go ahead and go back and listen

to that one before you listen to this one. But

if you're wondering how this seeding works, it

was very simple. We just took Rotten Tomatoes

scores and Metacritic scores. and we averaged

those two scores together and then that came

up with a 1 through 16 or 1 through 18 seeding.

If there was a tie then we went with whoever

had the highest Rotten Tomatoes score because

that just seemed like the easiest thing to do

so that's kind of how that all worked out. Definitely

led to some interesting matchups in that first

half. We'll have to see what it does here in

this second half but before we can get officially

into the second half... We have one more playing

game to go through. So these two movies are fighting

for the 15th seed. Any guess, Matt, as to what

at least one of these two movies would be that's

fighting for that last seat? This is this is

like the second lowest movie. There'd be the

third and the fourth lowest. Oh, man. Can I just

say Iron Man 2 again? Because that one. You are

correct. One of them is, in fact, Iron Man 2.

So Iron Man 2 will be in the playing game, and

it will be facing off against the only one of

this franchise, I believe, that we haven't talked

about, which would be Thor. The original Thor.

So Iron Man 2 versus Thor. No, I don't think

that one had any subtitles. It was just Thor.

Yeah. It's weird because some of the characters

get just a number. Like Iron Man and Guardians

they just get like 1 2 3 1 2 or whatever but

all the other ones get like the the subtitle

like the the Dark World or Ragnarok or the First

Avenger. I don't know who decides that but maybe

a question somebody can answer for me down the

road here. Amanda what's your thoughts? Iron

Man 2 and Thor 1? Are you asking me this? That

is a question, yes. Thor. Thor? So your answer

is Thor? Shirt off, crimson's worth Thor. Okay,

so that's a very definite answer for Thor. Yes,

I mean, it was everything we wanted. He is so

perfect as Thor, and this was our first time

getting to see him in this amazing character

that he was pretty much born for. Yeah, so Thor.

Thor. Okay, so we have a question and a statement

coming out of Amanda, but both of them were Thor,

so I guess that's where her vote is going. Dan,

what do you think about Iron Man 2 and the original

Thor? Man that's kind of tough because like they're

both flawed for different reasons. I think but

I think I'm leaning towards I recently watched

Iron Man 2 for the you know First time in a long

time and I thought you know actually was better

than I remembered there are still like the middle

section does really hold it down or And there

were some really questionable moments in it,

but I think ultimately I still like that and

there's some great action moments, but I think

I'm gonna go with Thor because I feel like it's

more complete. It's a better depiction of Thor.

It did like make Chris Hemsworth into a major

star in Loki. I do think that like Thor would

be even a better movie because there's a lot

of great deleted scenes in that. that add a lot

to his character to like this great scene of

him going back to the bar with the cup he broke

when he was just joking around in order to fix

it. There's a really great conversation between

Loki and Thor at the beginning before he like

goes into the throne room. And there are just

some really great character moments that they

didn't include. But I thought, you know, considering

what Thor has to do, you have to combine the

worlds of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings and

make it all work. And, you know, with that, there

were some problems but I thought overall when

it just came to the characters it got to write

more so I'll go with Thor. Yeah, another interesting

thing was Thor was kind of the... I don't know,

it seemed like one of those first ones where

they were really kind of going into that fish

out of water scenario, which obviously they've

had practice at and maybe gotten better at a

few things. But yeah, I think both films definitely

have their flaws, but both of them have their

positives too. Going into the stats, Thor and

Iron Man 2 have the exact same Metacritic score.

Thor has a four point higher Rotten Tomatoes

score, so it's a slight higher seed. Matt, are

you going to continue the Thor love? Based on

what you said earlier on, I guess that would

be... be the way you're going? I mean, this is

one of the fairest matches we've had. Like, a

lot of them have been very lopsided, I feel.

But this one is two lower tier movies. That said,

Iron Man 2 has been my least favorite Marvel

movie since I walked out of the theater. And

I don't think there's anything anyone could say

to change that. So I have to go with that. You

walked out of the theater in that? No, I mean,

yeah, after the credits. Like, I don't live in

the theater. I know that that's where you see

me at most, but like... Nice, nice. I thought

you, like, left in the middle. I'm like, was

it that bad? I don't remember who the villain

was, but I don't remember it being so bad that

I would like... Exactly! I'd rather take a nine

dollar nap than, like, leave. The villain in

that movie was capitalism. Technically, yes.

Technically, it was capitalism. Justin Hammer

in I Want My Bud, My Bud, Whiplash, yeah. Oh!

Okay, with the Russian guy with the electric

whip, gotcha. Mickey Rourke, yeah. The Russian

guy with let's not go into different countries

and what we feel about the babies and stuff like

that already. DJ, there's been no love for Iron

Man 2. Is that the proper way that this is going?

I mean, I can understand it. I mean, I am kind

of a sucker for Iron Man in general and the fact

that the last great action scene in that movie

was storyboarded by Gendi Tartatovsky who's famous

for Samurai Jack and I love that scene so much

though it's only about five minutes of the movie.

It's hard to defend Iron Man 2 because they had

the demon in the bottle storyline they kind of

like rushed through it really really fast which

is Iron Man being you know a drunkard. I just

don't I never really like Thor. I like everybody

cast in it. Chris Hemsworth is perfect this door.

Anthony Hopkins is perfect as Odin. Tom Hiddleston

is perfect as Loki. It's just that something

about that movie, it was too cutesy for me. And

I might even get into how that romance does not

work. I think I think finally Taika Waititi finally

kind of nailed the proper it took the cutesy

from the first door and kind of the gravitas

of the second door kind of melted so that's why

I prefer Ragnarok but if somebody gonna say Thor's

better than Iron Man 2 I can't say you're wrong

I can't really fight you other than the fact

that I like the war it was the first time we

got to see war machine and I was a huge fan of

war machine so yeah they should do a feature

on DVDs or blu -rays that's like the opposite

of deleted scenes like you You can watch a film

and delete your scenes. Like you can take the

scenes out of the movie. Send a scene of what

they left out. Be like, I want to watch this

without this. That's like those books where you

get down at the bottom of the page and it's for,

you know, you make a decision. Choose your own

page. Yeah. And then you gotta read around. I

did that with Batman to be Superman. Yeah, we

watched like two other commentaries for Batman.

And I think my co -host, Justin Polizzi, was

like, they don't need more scenes. What happens

if Thor never meets this girl? It was mostly

on Asgard the movie would be way way better right

right and obviously the first time we get to

see Loki which is I guess my highlight for the

original Thor so that's where I would vote as

well so Thor is going to win this play -in game

and get the privilege and maybe thankfully so

because otherwise it would have been kind of

weird because Thor will be going against the

number two seed in the entire bracket according

to the combined score Which belongs to Iron Man.

What? Iron Man would come out as the number two

seed with a combined score of 87. Just six points

lower than Black Panther. So we have Iron Man

against Thor. So Thor already took out one Iron

Man. Can it take out another one, Dan? No. Sorry.

Let's be honest here for a second. Iron Man,

the first Iron Man is probably up there with

the best origin films ever. Yes, the ending is

a little bit weak, but it does, I think. This,

without this movie, we're not having this conversation

right now, so I think that if it's not successful,

if it's not good, Tony Stark, but Robert Downey

Jr. just came and revitalized his career, and

I'll save more for later, because I don't know

what it's going against, but I think it's pretty

self -explanatory how I'm going with Iron Man.

Amanda? As much as I like the Hemsworths. I'm

gonna have to go with Iron Man here. Who wasn't

in that by the way? Huh? I thought you were saying

V -Hem's worse with an S. I did but not including

them as a group. Okay. Just giving them a title

instead of just calling them like pecs or something.

I did enjoy Iron Man quite a bit. I think that

it's got heart in it also. I mean there's like

people sacrificing themselves and you know the

stakes are pretty high still. I mean the guy

is like... you know going through some crazy

stuff medically and he's still got to get out

of a terrorist situation and get back and instead

of you know having PTSD he does something about

the situation so there's a lot that you can look

up to in this film so i like it all right man

are we getting the seeding right here iron man

at the two and thor as the 15th seed that obviously

a lopsided matchup oh like iron man at two seems

a little high But at the same time, it started

this whole thing. I know it didn't come out before

the Edward Norton Hulk, but it made this all

possible. If not for that movie, we wouldn't

have the MCU that we have. Like and so it deserves

something for that if nothing else, but I mean

it just it works as a movie It's great. Like

it might be the best origin. Nah, it's not a

man's better than this one Like I can't wait

until someone faces a man because it's not gonna

but like It's it's great. It's better than Thor.

All right DJ unanimous Yeah, Iron Man. I mean

you can put Tony Stark up there with Hugh Jackman

uh as uh and probably heath ledger is like one

of the greatest castings of a character so much

so they retconned how he acts in the comic books

to fit how he robert danny jr acts in real life

because before iron man came out tony stark was

kind of this like you know traditional playboy

but all those little robert danny jr quirks they

kind of now put in the comic books now before

so yeah the iron man is So it's a Mount Rushmore

for this universe. I remember when Iron Man first

came out that I actually had no idea anything

about the character. Because I wasn't a comic

book reader and I didn't watch any of the Marvel

cartoons or anything like that. And when there

was a movie like Iron Man, I was like, about

the song? What's going on here? Black Sabbath

is going to come? And it's actually the only,

I think, only two of the MCU films I did not

see in theater. Wow. Yeah, I wasn't on the train

at that point, so it took me a second to get

there. But then when watching it on DVD or Blu

-ray, whatever it was, the first time obviously

opened my eyes to what this whole thing was going

to be and this whole adventure. I've been on

board ever since, so thanks to Iron Man even

though I didn't see it in the theater. So let's

bump down to the fourth quadrant here and get

a sneak peek at who is the number three seed

in this whole bracket, and they will be facing

the number 14 seed. Well, first off, the 14th

seed, the only, I guess the one that just missed

out on having to do a play -in to get in here,

and that would be Avengers, Age of Ultron. Wow,

that's, whoa. Number 14 seed with a combined

score of 71, 75 Rotten Tomatoes, 66 Metacritic,

going up against the number 3 seed, which ends

up being Guardians of the Galaxy, Volume 1. 91

Rotten Tomato, 76 Metacritic for a combined score

of 84. So quite a bit. 13 points higher than

Avengers Age of Ultron. Matt, we'll start with

you. Guardians, Volume 1, Age of Ultron. Man,

like, this is a great, like, look at these two

big diverse casts. two movies and one of them

is very obviously better. Guardians of the Galaxy

is amazing. It's like a sillier Star Wars with

superpowers and I love it. And The Avengers 2

is oddly weak for an Avengers movie. Thankfully,

we got that third Avengers movie called Civil

War that lifted it up. But after that first one,

it was a big drop off into that second one. Dan,

does Guardians get some bonus points for being

a film that nobody had any idea what was going

on going into it, nobody knew for sure if it

was going to work or not work, it seemed like

something a little bit out of the box for what

Marvel was doing and then it came in and swept

the box office like crazy that year. Does it

gain some for that kind of surprise factor or

is it just a better movie overall? Well, I wouldn't

say no one thought it would work. I think there

are some people who thought it could work, you

know, just gonna throw that out there, but You

know, I had faith in James Gunn you and I enjoyed

the it's not really like Well, there's like I

won't even get into it. But I put it in all honesty

It is doing something that is completely out

there and I know that running joke at the time

was like DC couldn't get a Wonder Woman movie

to work, but Marvel's having a movie with a talking

tree and a raccoon, and somehow it's the biggest

movie of the year. And I do think it opened up

the doors to say, I think Marvel's unstoppable,

because not only was it good, but it was hugely

successful, surpassing anyone's expectations.

It was released in August, and it seemed like...

Maybe they didn't have as much faith in it as

some of the other, you know, I don't think they

thought it would catch on, but I think it revolutionized

what people could thought of, what they could

do with the Marvel movie, you know, talk about

the soundtrack and the diverse cast like Matt

mentioned. And, you know, I like Avengers Age

of Ultron. I do think it's another one that gets

better on rewatch. There are some problems with

it for sure. I think the biggest issue with Avengers

Age of Ultron is the fact that it's following

up with Avengers and it's just, it's a hard,

you know, hell to climb. a second time, and it

also felt like, for whatever reason, Whedon's

heart wasn't in it. I don't know if he felt like

he didn't get to tell the story he wanted, but

it did feel a little more convoluted than the

original Avengers. So yeah, I think it's a Guardians

for sure, and I'm curious how far it could go,

because I think it could go all the way, possibly.

We'll see. Alright, so a couple votes for Guardians.

Amanda, we have yet to have any debate or any

arguments. Are you going to keep that? unison

that hunky dory feeling going with Guardians

winning this one? Yeah, definitely. I think Guardians

was a game changer for me. It opened up this

new vibe in the MCU and I super dig it and it

carried into the second installment too and it

set a precedent and it had such... I don't know.

I want to go back to the word vibes. I had awesome

vibes. I loved it. Yeah, I agree with Dan too.

I think, you know, there's so many Marvel movies

that are different and kind of going towards

different genres and doing different things with

their films. So this was just the most obvious

one that people were pointing to right away that

was kind of like they felt like it was out of

left field or something or out of this world,

which I guess it is a little bit. But I think

it works so well. And I think you get a lot of

things that work that you might not. I think

would work, like Dan was talking about. You have

a talking tree, you have a talking, well I guess

kind of a talking tree. You have a talking raccoon,

you got Batista involved and nobody really was,

I think, aware of. how effective he would be

in that role and the music and the humor and

just everything the color schemes you know that

that film popped on the screen with all its different

uses something we've seen kind of repeated in

both the second guardians and then thor ragnarok

in a way but just there the use of the visuals

that they do in that film was amazing to me as

well so i think it's a clean sweep and an easy

one for guardians and i agree dan this is a number

three seed that could could last a little while

in this tournament but dj did we just become

like the most boring podcast ever because there's

no disagreement so far? Well, I mean, if this

was going, if Age of Ultron was going against

a different movie, I think I would probably be

the one defending it more, because I like this

movie more than most, but because going against

Guardians, Guardians has like a special place

in my heart. So it's like, damn, it went against

the guard. It just drew the wrong card. Because

if it was going against something else, I think

I would be... There's a lot of stuff I really,

really love in Age of Ultron, and people kind

of forget. I mean, the Stark Tower party scene

is still up there, one of my favorite scenes

in all of a Marvel film. But I mean Guardians

is this this I will probably have to go over

this more but there's certain things in Guardians

where I find myself crying I find myself cheering

I'm clapping I'm laughing I'm crying again and

it's a comic movie about a tree or a raccoon

it made Chris Pratt a megastar Dave Bautista

actually has worth other than power slamming

people it was Oh yeah, Guardians of the Galaxy,

is this... Age of Ultron just pulled the wrong

card for me. Yeah, definitely so, as a clean

sweep and annihilation here in this first round

of Avengers Age of Ultron goes down. As fate

would have it, we just had Guardians Volume 1

versus Age of Ultron. Let's jump up to the number

7 and the number 10 seed matchup. Number 10 seed

would be Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2. Number

7 seed would be the first Avengers. So, we had

Guardians Vol. 1 against Age of Ultron. Now we

have Guardians Vol. 2 against Avengers. Amanda,

let's start with you. Guardians of the Galaxy

Vol. 2 was your number one film of last year.

What do you think about this one? Oh, this is

so hard. I think with the Avengers, it was something

we had been waiting for. This ultimate team -up

movie. We waited so long for it and it was so

amazing and just... I was blown away even in

the trailers and I think that it was giving us

exactly what we wanted at the time and what we

had been salivating for. But with as amazing

as Guardians of the Galaxy was, we just got this

installment that we had also been waiting for

and I feel it was pretty widely loved. I loved

it, so I'm not really sure. Need help from the

panel? See what they think? Where you cast your

vote? Can I come back after hearing other people's

arguments? Absolutely. Matt, let's go to you

first then. Avengers or Guardians Volume 2, which

one's the better film in your opinion? Oh, man.

I don't think I can fairly rate this one because

the Avengers is like unprecedented and like also

really good. I'm just going to say Avengers and

I'll talk about it if it makes it on. All right.

Dan, what do you think? Does Guardians have any

shot against the mega film that was Avengers,

or is this an easy one for Avengers? It's honestly

an easy one for me too. I like Guardians of the

Galaxy 2. I think it has one of the... best like

Marvel villain honesty with ego and then the

way they were able to handle that but Avengers

is one of like the best movie experiences I've

ever had in my life like I like that's one that

just like I remember every moment I remember

every time like the crowd was just laughing to

the point where I couldn't hear this you know

hear actually hear audible noises I or where

people were clapping so loud and it was just

like it was like watching a sporting event but

it was a movie so it's you know it's Avengers

for me it's gonna be It's gonna be tough to take

it out moving forward DJ Amanda said that she

needed to hear some thoughts from the other people

before she gave her vote It's two votes right

now for Avengers. Can you swear to Guardians

or should she make it three? I might be the wrong

person for that because I didn't like Guardians

volume 2 when I first saw in the theater Maybe

because I was not what I really wanted I watched

it recently on Netflix a second time and I it

kind of grew on me in terms of love, but it's

like You're a kid fighting Mike Tyson here, man.

Avengers broke the world. Every film, whether

it's The Mummy or DC is trying to make an extended

universe because of Avengers. So yeah, Guardians

of Vol. 2, it did grow on me and the way they

handled the ending of that movie with Rucker

and stuff is very, very well done. But I think

it's just too little to it's not as it's not

as big as this that was the first so yeah I'm

going with Avengers the amazing thing about Avengers

is it's very similar to kind of like um I don't

know maybe in a way like the force awakens because

there's no way that Avengers should have been

able to live up to the hype. Like it's that that

seemed like something that was literally an insurmountable

like mountain to climb. Like there's you had

all these individual films. You have all these

megastars and these huge, you know, larger than

life characters. And we're finally building up

to that. And like we're just used to that. Not,

you know, if you're doing something like that,

it's going to be so easy to have the bar so freaking

high that there's no way it's going to quite

meet fan expectations, et cetera, et cetera.

And the fact that it did was just like mind blowing.

Um, and I agree with Dan, there were moments

in that theater where you're laughing so hard

or, you know, that you're just in awe or whatever.

I think they did a fairly smart thing with including

Loki, um, as a major portion of that film kind

of based on what they'd seen so far in the individual

installments. So that worked well. And it also

set the stage for, you know, all of these other

films that came after it. So it's hard to vote

against Avengers, but maybe I don't need to vote

because, uh, Amanda could cast a vote that would

make my vote meaningless. What do you think?

I think I'm going to say Avengers. It didn't

leave me wanting anything. Whereas in Guardians

2, I wanted more of them as a team, like the

week after in the first part. So I'm going to

say Avengers. Yeah, one common complaint for

Guardians 2 was the breakup and not having them

together as much, whether you agree. That's why

I didn't like it. That's why it kind of may rubbed

me the wrong way. The first time I saw it, I

was like, no, why are you guys going? I want

to see adventure with you guys together. So Avengers

gets revenge. and takes out Guardians Vol. 2

after Guardians 1 took out the second Avengers.

So this is getting complicated on this side of

the bracket. We have Captain America on the other

side. I guess we got Guardians and Avengers on

this side. But there's two Marvel films we have

not spoke of yet. Dan, what are they? I don't

even remember. Too many that we've talked about.

They've been mentioned in past movies. Ant -Man

and... Another Man. Spider -Man! Spider -Man

Homecoming? Yeah, so we have Ant -Man, which

would be the number 11 seed, and Spider -Man

Homecoming, number 6 seed. So the Spider -Man

versus the Ant -Man. Interesting that that kind

of worked out like that. Matt? Before we really

start, I just want to let a man know that Ant

-Man was the one that had the Bucky Barnes after

credit scene. It did. Oh, see? He's trying to

sway the vote. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Matt, how

do you break this one down? Well, that's dirty

pool. So if I'm comparing the scene with Bucky

versus the scene where it's like he's got that

watch that has the thing on the wall at the,

like, you know, just the after credit scenes.

That's Civil War. Is it? Like, I thought. When

he's looking at the ceiling, that's Civil War.

Oh, dang. I can't remember my various. Oh, dirty

pool. Like, hey, I think one of my favorite comic

book maxi series was the irredeemable ant -man

i love like what this character can do when written

well and this in the ant -man movie was written

well surprisingly considering how many bad ant

-man stories there have been in the comic books

like he beats up his wife but then he turns out

he's a shape -changing monster Hank Pym, the

original Ant -Man. Yes. Who's that? He beat up

his wife. He is crazy. Because he was drunk and

then also like a scrawl. Right. Depending. We're

going down the wrong path. It's kind of a retcon

of Hank Pym being a crazy person, but yeah. In

the comic books, Hank Pym is not as nice a guy

as he is in the movie. So we're talking about

the newer... What's the guy's name? Paul Rudd.

Paul, yeah, but they his character. That's Lang.

What? That's Lang. Yes. OK. Not wife beaten Ant

-Man. No, no, no, no. Funny, awkward Ant -Man.

Yes. Yeah. think that's where I mean needs to

be like that's what Eric O 'Grady was he was

he was awkward and funny but like this spider

-man here's the thing I didn't want another spider

-man right we've had we've had multiple spider

-man in the last decade and honestly I I legitimately

enjoyed both amazing spider -mans I didn't want

I didn't want a new spider -man I definitely

didn't want like just to reset the spider -man

universe I did like So I was 100 % against that

Spider -Man Homecoming, but that movie was legitimately

great. Like, I loved both of these movies and

I'm going to let someone else talk before I vote.

Oh, he's pulling me. Wow. Dan, we'll go to you.

Maybe you're more confident in your choices here.

What do you think is better, Spider -Man or A

-Man? I'm going to go Homecoming for one distinct

reason. The villain in Homecoming is far superior.

to that of that of Ant -Man. And, you know, like,

thinking about these two movies and, you know,

one of the best scenes and Homecoming ends up

just being a car ride. And I think that says

a lot of just to be able to do that. It's like

how it relates to John Hughes films. And again,

Vulture, you know, Keaton killing it and also

just having a character that is somewhat sympathetic

or at least has motivations that make sense in

a way. So, you know, they made the Vulture work

much more than I ever thought they would. I didn't

think Homecoming was going to be as good as it

was. Like it honestly surprised me. I liked Ant

-Man. I don't think I like it as much. much as

most people. It does have some humor. I guess

I wish it did more with like its concept and

it felt more like a Heisfelt than I was hoping

for. But yeah, so I do like it, but it's not

to me homecoming. I enjoy more. It's more, I

enjoy the characters more. I feel like there's

more. um exciting moments that had me at like

on the edge of my seat where Ant -Man didn't

necessarily have that to that level for me. I

have a hundred percent uh in agreement with Dan.

I like Ant -Man but I do not love it nearly as

much as I hear from a lot of other people and

I have yet to have a desire to re -watch it um

so I've only seen it the one time so maybe that's

not fair maybe I should re -watch it and kind

of get another take on it but I enjoyed it but

it didn't wow me anywhere near some of these

other Marvel films have. And Spider -Man Homecoming

literally has the most jaw -dropping moment in

all of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I think.

I have not been that shocked at just one single

moment in a film for a long time, as far as that

scene at the door. So that kind of rocked me

a little bit. And I think Tom Holland did more

than I expected as Spider -Man. So I just like

Spider -Man better as a character. So maybe that's

biased, but I like the film better as well. Amanda,

what do you think? I'm gonna say Ant -Man. I

think I had more fun with Ant -Man than I did

Spider -Man Homecoming Believe it or not. I've

never been a teenage boy. So it was a little

bit hard for me to Relate to some of the stuff

and I don't I'm a little sciencey smart. We're

gonna say that and It was a little hard for me

to just kind of connect to that character as

much that I live like in love i try to put those

words together didn't work uh spider man i watched

a lot of the cartoons in the 90s uh i really

enjoyed all those characters and michael king

terrifies me he he really terrifies me um i think

because of beo juice i was scarred um it's i

don't know it just it i wasn't like Crazed and

in wild when I walked out of spider -man's so

Let's go after you cuz now we have somewhat of

a two -on -one here We have two votes for spider

-man one vote for a man. I know you were saying

something about a man earlier in the record.

Oh man like like I love Ant -Man, but the conversation

around the villains is probably exactly what

I needed to be swayed to Spider -Man because

I'll tell you what, I bought one action figure

between these two movies and you know who it

was, it was the Vulture. That's the only one

I got on my shelf between these two movies. Besides

just loving the aesthetic design of it, That

role was played so well. Like, Spider -Man Homecoming

was not a movie I wanted, but definitely a movie

I enjoyed. DJ, you remember last episode when

I kept making you make vital decisions to, uh...

Yes, I remember. I lost my black card I'm out

in you with because of that. I had to vote against

Black Panther. Thanks, Optimus Solo. While I

tried to make it up, I... Stashed it out of my

hand. I tried to make it up by giving you no

choices this week because... It's okay, it's

okay, good. It would have been an easy slam dunk

for me if it was a tie breaker, but yeah. What

would a slam dunk for? Spider -Man? One, Spider

-Man is my favorite combo character of all time.

Two, Tom Holland is my favorite Spider -Man of

all time. Three, Michael Keaton made the vulture

work. Hate the vulture as a character. He's just

a bank robber an old guy That's got young in

the complex and Michael Keaton made him one of

the most terrifying villains of all of comic

books So yeah, yeah spider -man's easy, so and

I like Paul Rudd I think my favorite power and

ant -man isn't an ant -man. It's in Civil War,

but you know I mean, it's great. It's a fun movie

that works Spider -man homecoming was just like

I mean they they made me like Zendaya. I don't

even know who that is She's a singer she's a

tap dancer I have no idea who she is, but she

was great in that film and so was his friend

Myles Morales I forget his name too, but yeah

The casting is great the kid from beast unknown

nation is in spider -man homecoming and he's

hilarious. Yeah, so yeah homecoming is great

Alright, so that sets the stage for the next

round on this side of the bracket. Let's go back

up to the top here. These seeds might not make

sense, but this is what the internet told me

when I was looking at these numbers. So we have

the number two seed, Iron Man, against the number

seven seed, the Avengers. What? Iron Man against

Avengers. Avengers beat Guardians of the Galaxy

Vol. 2. Iron Man took out Thor, which had taken

out Iron Man 2, if you're trying to keep track.

Regardless, it's Iron Man versus Avengers. Amanda,

where'd he go? I'm gonna say Avengers. Jessica's

awesomeness. Fair enough. The woman a few words

right now. Dan, is any words necessary or is

this a slam dunk as well in the second round?

Yeah, I'm gonna go slam dunk. Matt, three for

three, Avengers over Iron Man? Yeah, I mean like

event like Iron Man the first Iron Man is a great

movie, but it's still an origin story and Like

though you could argue the Avengers is an origin

story and yeti, but like it's not like it's so

good Like I don't even we can talk about it when

it gets to a real like challenging Iron Man,

taking a slapping. Iron Man, actually two points

higher on Rotten Tomatoes than Avengers. Oh my

god. Ten points higher on Metacritic than the

Avengers. Haters. So that's how that worked,

but I will make that three for three. Avengers

beats Iron Man. DJ, did we get it right? Yeah,

Iron Man's second act, kind of. falls down a

little bit and like we were just like I said

my favorite Ant -Man is in Civil War. My favorite

Tony Stark of any Tony Stark is in Avengers part

one. Iron Man he's not Iron Man Tony Stark until

the kind of the end and then you really he really

just goes full bore Tony Stark Iron Man in Avengers

part one. I mean and that's just one character

I'm not talking about you know Chris Evans is

Captain America, he made Captain America work.

I mean, there's so much stuff going on. Agent

Coulson, remember him? Yeah, stuff like that.

It's great. I forgot we didn't include any of

the TV shows in this bracket. Anyway. So Avengers

has punched its ticket to the Final Four. Let's

see the other movie that will be joining it in

the Final Four. That would be between the number

three seed and the number six seed. Guardians

of the Galaxy Volume One versus Spider -Man Homecoming.

Matt? Guardians or spider -man? Oh, man. That's

just got a lot harder like That's a good one

right here. Yeah, these are these are two solid

movies like I really enjoyed both But they both

kind of have like what I want in a in a movie

Oh man like I want to hear someone else talk

about last time spider -man got involved i got

swayed by the talking and i i proved that so

i think someone else should do some like i'm

on my swing someone push me and amanda spider

-man is the one with the higher rotten tomato

score guardians is the one with the higher metacritic

score who has the higher score in the book of

amanda it's like the book of eli the book of

eli i will murder some people um take my iPod

i dare you Book of Eli reference, deep cut, deep

cut. It's got Gary Oman in it. It does have Gary

Oman in it. So, Spider -Man Homecoming over Guardians?

Or Guardians over Spider -Man Homecoming? That's

the question. I'm going to say Guardians, hands

down. I had so much friggin' fun with it. I mean,

the soundtrack is amazing. The color blew my

mind. All these characters individually are outstanding.

Together, they are bombastic and I can't get

enough. So I'm going to say Guardians, hands

down. Definitely sold the most merchandise, probably.

I mean, Baby Groot, bro. No, it wasn't Baby Groot

yet. Well, Groot and then Baby Groot. About 25

seconds it was Baby Groot. Yeah, that's true.

Dan, is this an easy one for you, or are you

struggling like Matt to determine if Spider -Man

Homecoming or Guardians Volume 1 is the better

film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe? I'm a

little bit struggling, because like I said, I

didn't expect... Homecoming to be as good as

it did and even I think guardians also exceeded

my expectations But if I'm just thinking which

one's better made all together I mean gotta give

the fact that I am talking about villains like

Ronan doesn't hold a candle to that of vulture

by any means So that's a huge advantage but like

we just look at just the filmmaking sense of

like the use of soundtrack the just the look

of the film like guardians just and how it redefined

how you can do a cosmic universe and how it went

in places you know no one thought many marvel

films would go i mean they utilized the celestials

they you know they had went to nowhere and just

the look of it was amazing So it's it's tough

and the cast was strong and they would had a

great humor and a lot of jokes that still I think

got into the consciousness of You know pop culture

and still are there where you know homecoming

didn't I think have that same impact? It was

enjoyable it you know it had moments that certainly

lasted, but I don't think necessarily it was

as a massive movement as Guardians ended up being.

So because of that, just because of the force

that Guardians has and the fact that like, not

only was it a great movie, but the fact that

like it was an amazing soundtrack on top of that,

that not only were good songs, but actually had

a purpose. And, you know, and again, I think

if I'm just beat for beat, like it's tough. The

one thing that's holding me back is the fact

that Homecoming has such a better villain. But

besides that, I think Guardians is a better film,

so I'll go Guardians. To me this is very similar

to like the same type of argument you could get

I guess when we were doing our Captain America

First Avenger versus Thor Ragnarok. Like one

of them might be a better complete film and then

maybe even a little bit more on the serious side.

But the other one might just be the more entertaining

fun one. So it's like do you want... somebody

made a cotton candy reference last time, you

know, or do you want the meal or that type of

thing. So that's kind of... it's hard though

because Spider -Man is still fun. It's not like

it's all, you know... Dire or anything like that

and not saying that at all but guardians to me

is the one that just has more of those moments

that you remember more of the bombastic entertainment,

you know throughout but Dan you are completely

a hundred percent right that spider -man has

the better villain so I guess That's where the

argument would be for Spider -Man, but I think

just the massive hit and the impact of Guardians

was phenomenal. I don't know if we would have

had a Guardians Volume 2 had it not been for,

I don't know what the plans were, maybe that

was already sketched out, but it seems like that

definitely solidified that we were going to get

more from this group based on how successful

they were. So I'm leaning towards Guardians as

well. Matt, what are you thinking now that you've

heard everybody else? Like Dan Dan really did

it like I think I think that spider -man like

Spider -man is the type of story like I want

like for whatever reason in my comic book stories

I'm way more interested in like a teenage story

like Teen Titans are what got me in like runaways

like Like I love you know like that's you know

it's an emotional time for anyone like at that

age and then you add superpowers and super villains

and all that to it and it it makes for an exciting

story that i want to read and i want to see on

the screen but like i see like people are still

to this day quoting like oh no it won't nothing

goes over my head i'm too fat like and and you

like it had guardians had a bigger effect on

the culture of America than spider -man did and

I think like inarguably I think it's probably

a better movie or a more important movie if nothing

else DJ you said that spider -man was your favorite

comic book character are you mad at all of us

yeah You're just lucky it didn't come to me in

a tiebreaker, guys, because I'd have slammed

it right back into Spider -Man. I was going to

put two superficial things on there. They got

the eye -squinting to work. If you're a Spider

-Man comic reader... And though they got to work

in Civil War, but it also works in here. It's

the same suit to get the ice point that Iron

Man Spider -Man has, which is awesome because

I thought they would never do that. Amazing Spider

-Man 2, though it's a horrible, horrible, horrible

movie. It did have like one of the greatest suits

except for the eyes that move and the eyes moving

here. And that just made me geek out a lot. And

another geek out thing I'll throw in here before

you guys sweep Spider -Man under the rug for

some reason. Iron Man's HUD is Jarvis and Spider

-Man's HUD is Karen. One's played by Paul Bettany

and the other plays by Paul Bettany's wife, Jennifer

Connelly. Just put it out there, that's pretty

freaking dope. That's real good. Hey, when are

we gonna see the half Peter Parker face half

spider face that we all don't want to see? That's

coming next movie. That's coming next movie.

Please no, please. Karen Teed's coming next movie.

So regardless of DJ's pleas, we're going to put

Guardians Volume 1 into the final four. That

means it has a chance of revenge. Guardians Volume

1 beat Avengers Age of Ultron. Avengers beat

Guardians Volume 2 and now they face off against

each other. It's Avengers versus Guardians Volume

1. Amanda, where do you go? Oh, shenanigans.

The next person that's actually gonna... We have

not needed a tiebreaker yet. Will this be the

case? We got Iron Man, or no, excuse me, Avengers

number seven seed against Guardians number three

seed. Amanda, what are you thinking? What's going

on in that head of yours? What's swaying you

one way or the other? One team versus another

team. The Avengers team versus the Guardians

team. I'm running out of things to stall here.

What do you got? I'm trying to figure out...

Which team I have more favorites on? Thor is

on the Avengers team! I mean, those pecs were

all... Pecs are all there! Taking it out! Patista's

got some pecs. Patista's never worn a shirt!

He doesn't have that hair and that smile. Are

you against blue pecs? I might be prejudiced

against blue people. Does that explain why she

didn't like Shave of Water, guys? I mean, the

creature looked cool, I just didn't... Something

about the blue people is a barrier to you, huh?

I did not like Smurfs. She's the female Gargamel.

I like those little creeps. But a blue person,

what are your favorite lines? That happens, y

'all. Yeah, I like him a lot. And when he died,

like, it killed me. Oh, spoiler alert. Who hasn't

seen that? If you're listening to this and you

haven't seen that, you were at the wrong place,

my friend. Go back to Iraq, because it ain't

happening for you. No, man. And he was like,

I... I probably have some daddy issues. And when

he was all like, you know, saying, I'm your daddy

and all that, it really got to me. That was inviting

to you. Like it got me, you know what I mean?

So I do like that character. I don't have total

prejudice against blue people. But I do think

that the amount of badass and ass kickery in

Avengers has to beat out as amazing Guardians

of Us. Matt, is this a worthy Final Four matchup

with The Guardians Volume One and Avengers? Are

those two of the best Marvel Cinematic movies?

Yeah, I think they are. Which one do you like

better? Now, that's a harder choice. I do think

that the Avengers gets a lot of sway for being

the Avengers, right? Being this multiple funneling

into a single that's so good. Like, absolutely

Loki is better than anything that the Guardians

have faced. Like, it's, I guess, not even a comparison.

Hating the blue people again. I mean, well, I

love Nebula. Like, I'm a big fan of Cairne Gillian.

That's another action figure that I bought. Maybe

the only Guardians branded action figure I have,

actually. Although I... I'm kind of a bigger

fan of the comic book versions than the movie

versions of a lot of those characters just visually.

Anyway, that's not important. What's important

is that I love both of these movies and I have

to fight them in my head. This is the madness

that comes every spring in the month of March

and I'm dealing with it. I think that maybe Avengers

is more deserving, but I feel like personally

I'm going to have to vote for Guardians. Whoa!

One vote Avengers, one vote for Guardians. Guardians

does have the only action figure I own of any

comic book whatsoever with Yondu. But that's

just because that line makes me laugh every time

I think about it. I don't know why. It's like

one of my favorite lines of all time. But Dan,

let's just go to you first. What do you think?

So this is not what I expected, but I'm thinking

about it. Avengers has one of the best like most

of fun final acts ever but you have to consider

the fact the first 30 minutes of that or not

or Sometimes a slog to get through especially

on rewatch. It's not as enjoyable It takes a

little bit the really fine. It's funny was from

the hella carrier. It starts working but It takes

a little bit to get there where I feel like Guardians

of the Galaxy throughout. I'm entertained I think

it's it starts off with you know, the amazing

and fun dance sequence and just like right now

now right away announces its presence of like

this is gonna be a different type of experience

to other Marvel films and just a little Pieces

they put onto it. So I'm gonna go Guardians.

I yeah i know it's craziness but uh also you

know maybe make it a little more fun of a final

four put dj in the hot seat but we'll see interesting

here amanda the the big guardians lover is the

only one so far that has voted against guardians

and gone with avengers traitor i just want to

be black widow that's it i just want to be her

okay doesn't want to Another interesting thing

that we could have done is actually pick, I guess,

the characters against each other. Which ones

had the best films? Have the Guardians have the

best films? Iron Man, Captain America, etc. Obviously

we had a lot of Captain America love last time

but discussion for another time. I'm stalling

here because it's Guardians versus Avengers here

and I guess I have to have to vote. I am a huge

fan of both the Thor and the Guardian films because

I love the sci -fi element and kind of that more

otherworldly fantasy element that we get from

both of those franchises but... Man, this is

like a sign of the times because we have three

movies left in this whole bracket and they're

all more of a team up thing where, you know,

Avengers has that team, we have the Guardians

team, and then we have another team waiting for

us on the other side of the bracket. Very similar

team, but still. Apparently we all like the group

action there, but man, I agree with Dan. Guardians

is more of an entertaining film from start to

finish, but Avengers was... So mind -blowing

at the time it has a better villain in my opinion

Probably better action moments I don't know DJ

who do you who has the better action sequences

out of Avengers and Guardians? Between the Avengers

and Guardians is Avengers easily. That's what

I'm thinking too So it has that this is more

of the best action sequence and probably Guardians

is the jailbreak But yeah, that's about as all

you're gonna get really shot wise. I'm saying

hmm This is weird because Amanda and I are like

two huge guardians fans And I feel like we're

gonna be the two to vote for Avengers I'll vote

for Avengers and let DJ for once today For what?

Just for today's episode. I regret your life.

You matter, DJ. You matter. I need something.

Guys, come on. What are we doing here? All right,

look, Star -Lord's helmet was my avatar on Twitter

for about four years until, you know, this guy

named Chachala came around. But that scene with

Drunk Rocket, it gets me every time. I don't

know what it is about that scene where he's just

pissed off and drunk and he's going to pull a

gun on them because they're making fun of him.

Every time I watch it, it does something to me.

I don't know why. Maybe it's the way Bradley

Cooper does it. I don't know what is going on

there. The Guardian shouldn't work. And it does.

It made me like Dave Bautista as an actor. Think

about what I just said in English there. But

again. I was sitting in a theater, I repeat,

with my sister who does not like movies in general,

unless Rihanna's in them, and she turns to me

when they do that one shot where Thor and Hulk

are on a fricking Chitauri space whale, and Iron

Man shoots Captain America's shield and it blows

off a bunch of Chitauri, and Hawkeye's shooting

that guy down, and she turns to me and whispers

in this really hipster emo way, this is so cool.

There's no way, there's no way I got that from

Guardian. That was fun Avengers changed like

she what the only watches Marvel movies now.

That's it She doesn't because of Avengers because

of that moment where we have the Hulk, Bruce

Banner, explaining how he has control over the

Hulk. I'm always angry. Stuff like that? No.

It's just too big of a movie and Avengers has

to pass the limits. All right. So DJ, casting

the deciding tie breaking vote for the Avengers,

which maybe gives us the most interesting finale.

I don't know. Or maybe a boring finale for some.

I don't know. Avengers and Avengers under a different

name. So Captain America Civil War versus Marvel's

The Avengers. just going by the tail of the tape

here Marvel's the Avengers had a 92 on Rotten

Tomatoes Civil War had a 91 Marvel Avengers Metacritic

69 Civil War 75 So slight edge to Civil War on

Metacritic But none of those guys matter because

all that matters is the four five of us one two

three four five Yes, Dan. How do we try to break

this down Captain America Civil War aka Avengers

3 versus Avengers 1? This is this is tough because

like I said Avengers is one of the greatest movie

experiences I've ever had and you know, but I

think ultimately I I think Civil War is a better,

more complete film and in the sense of it has

a lot of those great action moments. I think

probably Avengers has better actions. That massive

finale within New York is insane, but the finale

of Civil War, it's much more subdued and intimate

because that's exactly what that fight needed

to be. The Civil War movie did is actually improve

upon the story was based on in a lot of ways

and had a much more satisfying ending to it and

like just the conflict that's there. There are

some great moments and Although it is you know

Avengers basically an Avengers film it does still

ultimately still feel like Captain America's

movie and Like probably the most growth we've

seen with all those all those movies With with

Captain America and Iron Man and their relationship

towards one another again another one with a

lot of great lines It doesn't mean we have the

entertaining experience in the sense of Avengers,

because Avengers has a lot of those, like, puny

god moments and things like that that, like,

make you stand up and cheer and laugh. Civil

War is a much different approach. It doesn't

really have much comedy whatsoever, which makes

it unique, I think, within the world of Marvel

films. So because of that, I'll kill Civil War.

It does have those moments, though, where Spider

-Man shows up, Black Panther shows up, Ant -Man

shows up, that are some kind of like cheer -worthy

moments, I guess, if you're seeing it in a packed

theater. Yeah, just not like ones that you're

going to roll over your chair laughing like you

get, where they call it punching Thor. It's much

more of a serious tone, but I think it needed

to be based upon the story it was telling. Alright,

so your vote is for Captain America Civil War.

Matt, did we end up with the right two films

in the finale with Civil War and Avengers Outlasting,

the likes of Black Panther, the Guardians films,

all the Iron Mans? Is this the right two? Yeah,

I have zero qualms or complaints. We had some

bumps along the way, but we got to the correct

destination, I feel. Now that we're at that destination,

which movie ticket are you punching your past

to? So I've said it, I think on both records

a number of times, what the Avengers did was

unprecedented. It brought all these movies together,

all these characters that nobody cared about

10 years before, and now it's one of the biggest

movies of all time. It was amazing, it was insane,

and the performances were great. And then the

Avengers 2 happened and everyone's like, hey,

what happened? And then Civil War happened and

it captured that magic again Like if they did

it again and this time they did it right unlike

the second time but they still they brought in

new characters so it still had those moments

that like the first one had only now they've

learned things like and and though it's like

hey I've seen two Avengers movies before but

somehow this still feels fresh and new and like

we always talk about Loki being the villain of

Avengers 1 but like when you're when you're doing

that big set piece action scene at the end it's

it's these faceless aliens that we know next

to nothing about whereas at the end of Civil

War like Like, it's all of those characters we've

cared about that we didn't use to, that we've

now established through, you know, a dozen or

more films. Like, and we're all picking sides.

And, like, we're seeing, you know, Captain America

and Iron Man getting into just a knockdown slobberknocker

fist brawl. Oh, what? Oh, slobberknocker! I forgot,

she's not a teenage boy from the 90s. Like the

rest of us. uh so like like like i have to give

it to civil war because it just improved on everything

that the first one did amanda you voted for avengers

to beat both of your guardian films now it's

facing off against captain america civil war

who happens to have bucky bucky So what's the

situation here? I've been sitting here coloring

in my coloring book going Bucky no. I feel like

Bucky He kicks more brutal ass. I mean Thor's

out there just he makes it look easy swinging

his hammer around and electrocuting people and

whatever. Bucky like legit has skills and was

brainwashed like went through some shit to be

a badass. Like I believe he's a badass. He wasn't

just born with a silver hammer in his mouth or

whatever. He hammered his mouth. He had to go

through some awful shit and he's been frozen.

He's got a metal fucking arm like he has some

crazy uh brainwashed stuff where he hears some

crazy words and rush in and then he goes off

the rails he is a badass and some of the scenes

that he's in my my face must look uh outweighed

just because of my oh my god face he does some

awesome stuff and i didn't really like the i

didn't like some of the matchup like how hardcore

the battle was between them. I liked in the past

where we saw like Thor versus Iron Man, like

some of that was pretty cool. But I just felt

bad seeing like Cap and Iron Man go at it so

hard. And it just, it depressed the crap out

of me. So I don't know if I can like it more

than the Avengers, which was like such a pump

up movie. Like you were just like juice, but

I don't know. I think Civil War has to be...

The one that I gravitate towards more. Voted

for Avengers over both Guardians. I'm just kidding.

You can vote for Civil War. Wiley! God, get off

my ship! Just throwing you under the bus. Look

at him over here. I think you voted for Civil

War to beat a bunch of stuff too though, so that's

alright. DJ, I want to get your thoughts before

I say anything, but what do you think? Does Avengers

deserve more love than we're giving it? Think

about these two movies. We both we both said

they're both great movies. Let's not yeah To

compare it to Shakespeare in there. No Hipster,

I'm not saying they're as good as Shakespeare.

I'm just saying to compare it to Shakespeare

Avengers is like Midsummer Night's Dream and

Civil War is kind of like Hamlet one's a tragedy

and one's very like Uplifting and you're happy

there's stuff in Civil War that has so much weight

to it with the guys of the like, the Avengers

there. And there's some good downy stuff in there.

And there's stuff in there. Again, we were already

debating when it was coming out. Are you team

Cap or team Iron Man? I'm so team Iron Man because

of the end when he did his actions are irrational,

but make complete sense to me. Because of that

tape, you know, everybody out there goes, oh,

Marvel movies don't have any brutalness, it's

just they think he meant it. There's a scene

where Winter Soldier chokes a woman to death

after punching a man to death with his hands.

His best friend by the - He kills her with his,

like, nonmetal hand. He makes it personal. This

is this is in the So everybody's talking about

was not a brute that is brutal Howard Stark dies

brutally on camera So yeah that scene where he

goes, uh, do you remember them? I remember every

last one of them and he's my friend I don't care

that stuff is so good and it made me just go

during that fight where I'm just like Oh, man.

You kind of feel for both of them. You know why

Cap is there. You know why Tony is there. You

know why Cap can't let Tony kill. There's so

much stuff. Avengers is fun. And you have fun.

You have the mustache -trolling villain in Loki,

who is great. But the weight of the end of Civil

War. And that ending comes after maybe the greatest

action scene in a comic book movie of all time.

And that scene you almost forget about when you

have... And on the precipice, you... We have

Black Panther dealing with Zemo on the top of

the mountain. There's so much good stuff going

on Civil War. And I'm looking at my list here,

top of my Marvel list. Civil War is one, and

Avengers is two, so I'm going Civil War. Dan,

did we make it so that your list holds up, too,

as to what you had number one overall? No, Winter

Soldier didn't make it, so you're all dead to

me. Yeah, like and honestly we could do this

one at the end of the year with the next two

movies were coming out and I think that we might

still have the same outcome Because like that

is such a great movie and it's gonna be so hard

to top that Absolutely, and I like what happened

here because I didn't have to pick between Civil

War and Avengers, so I can abstain. You copped.

You copped out. Anos has a lot to live up to.

I mean, and it's been years, not only the years,

but we have some movies with. Mean though again,

they say they don't have good villains, but he

has to come strong after over Killmonger over

Loki over Just the fact that Cap and Iron Man

are kind of villains in their own movie And I

thought that he Thanos has to come strong in

the infinity war Dan is infinity war is that

gonna be even a harder? I know to live up to

I mean is there more pressure on an infinity

war than there was the original Avengers? man

it's hard to say yes but partially I think it

is because the big piece of that is Thanos and

it like it does feel like this is a movie they've

been somehow building up towards this entire

time so I think so in a way because I think there's

more eyes on Marvel whatever more so than ever

before we know they can do it we know they can

make a good Avengers movies so if they don't

then it's certainly disappointing and yeah so

I would say certainly the pressure is on in the

sense of you know it's it's got a lot to live

up to too I mean it's it's got I think Marvel

in a lot of ways has been able to evolve and

change and have a lot of great films throughout

this and i think their second phase and third

phase are some of their best they've gotten better

in a lot of ways so if it's just as good as avengers

is that disappointing which is a weird thing

to say so i don't know it's i think it does have

more pressure on them Matt, do you think there's

more at risk here because, you know, you've had

18 films plus by the time you get there, and

you've had a lot of stuff leading up to this

one specific villain. Some people are complaining

maybe of superhero fatigue or the different stuff

you hear, blah, blah, blah. Is there more at

risk if this one doesn't live up to the hype

compared to what we've had before? No, like,

here's the thing, like... They're not gonna release

a movie so bad it'll kill the MCU. And people

talk about superhero fatigue, and then those

same people will watch 12 seasons of Friends.

Or nine chick flicks, or a hundred freaking war

movies, or 33 horror films. Yeah, how many times

have we... We've seen every battle in World War

II twice already. There was three Dunkirk movies

last year. Three! It's like saying someone has

action movie fatigue. Yeah. It's like, oh, they

got all these this good... comedy fun movie,

and they're getting tired of it. I'm so tired

of these Nicholas Sparks movies and these Richard

Curtis movies. I'm so tired. Nobody ever says

that. Ever. Ever. Now, it's all Buzzfeed just

trying to get clicks. Like, superhero movies

are raining, and maybe the market will shift

away from it, because it always does eventually

shift, but like... For now, I don't see it going

anywhere. Avengers 2, Iron Man 2, those didn't

kill it, and those were massive drop -offs from

their first ones. I don't see Infinity War being

that. I think it's going to be fine. Is it going

to live up to everyone's expectations of the

original Infinity Gauntlet story? Probably not.

It's just like, but I mean, that movie, that

story is what, 35 years old now? Like you can't

do what they did in that book in a movie. People

would lose their shit. Yeah, like even like,

yeah, yeah, just like. It's so impossible. I

tried explaining it to a coworker the other day

Like the biggest the biggest thing in that comic

book spoiler for that comic book 35 year old

comic book And the biggest is the biggest critique

of Marvel where nobody dies in that in the end

of the Infinity Gauntlet book everyone dies and

then all of a sudden everyone's back. If they

did that in a movie, people would go crazy on

Marvel. You can't even keep everybody dead. They

would never do that. So I don't think we're going

to get anything close to what they did in that

comic book. No way. No. But like it'll probably

be good. I'll probably see and I'll definitely

see it. I'll make sure that happens. Like and

it'll probably make a billion dollars worldwide

minimum. Like it'll be fine. You'll be fine,

Avengers. Alright, so Amanda, any thoughts on

Infinity War? Are you excited? I mean Thanos

looks okay. He's no Bucky He has a metal hand

though. Well though as a glove, but he's got

a funky purple face He's pretty big so he's probably

scary and we've been Supposed to be scared of

him for years now and we're finally gonna get

to see why And I just don't want to see anybody

that I like friggin' die. It's gonna upset me.

It's coming to the raw movie. And I know it's

gonna happen and it's probably gonna be fucking

Bucky and then we'll be pissed. How about this

though? How about we take the team that we were

debating about with the Avengers and then combine

it with that team that we were talking about

in the Guardians and put them together in a movie?

that's happening yes all right that's what i'm

excited for see how that's actually what is going

to happen wait what did you just have an idea

All right, so you guys are gonna have to let

us know if you liked this March Madness session

if you'd like to see more stuff like this in

the future or I guess next year in March Let

us know that if you want to get into contact

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Twitter handle there is at cinema geek cast One

at least one they responded on Twitter that means

they had to have with Plus we always like, you

know, my shout is always going to Freddy Savage

are my favorite listener For sure, Ben Savage's

brother. Somebody sent out mofuckas with cookies.

Who, by the way? Alright, Amanda, how do people

get in touch with you? Uh, okay, at Twitter,

on Twitters? At Twitter. At the Twitters. Is

that your handle? At Twitter, that'd be amazing.

Find me at the Twitters! She owes Twitter! I'm

at Twitter. So much of the monies. You can find

me at hardcandymandieyesnowise. Dan, how can

people get in contact with you on Twitter, and

how can they listen to other content from you?

Yeah, I'm at movierevolve on Twitter. You can

check out all my stuff at Keycast Radio, the

Comics Concierge podcast, different articles

I'll also use. I'll be doing a series of the

best. more comics of each month and also trying

to do some more catching up with the classics

where I take a look at some classic comics I

have not read previously and give my opinions

on them as I read them for the first time. We're

currently trying to read them, which has been

the hard part of finding time, but those should

be out shortly as well. So that's all at geekcastradio

.com. Awesome, awesome. Matt, how can people

get into contact with you? I'm at a friendly

set. All right, I'm at optimist solo DJ tell

everybody about you your show and how people

can get in touch with you. I'm DJ I was born

a poor black child. No, I'm on Twitter at trying

to be DJ V I am one of the co -hosts of the simplest

reviews podcast which is kind of like this show

if you add a lot of drinking and a lot of insanity

And you can find us at Simple Tweeters on Twitter.

And you can just find our show on iTunes and

YouTube and TuneIn and Stitcher. Just search

Simplistic Reviews. You should definitely check

out their show. They put a lot of hard work into

it. They far surpass us. We're lazy. What are

you talking about? The production value is amazing.

And the stuff you guys put together is phenomenal.

So definitely check that stuff out. And if whoever

was complaining about me cussing on these shows,

don't listen to DJ shows. It's way worse. Listen,

if you have a problem with a man cussing, sick.

Trust me. So let's review. I also throw in that

you're one of your co -host Matt was on the most

recent episode of the comics country of podcast

we talked about our county so if you're you know

you want to see Hear that and you can get that

at GeekCastRadio .com as well. We are a little

concerned though. Was this a undercover plot

DJ that you guys were trying to take over GeekCastRadio

for the week? No, not at all. Not at all. I'll

also be on the comic book concierge soon. I'm

not taking over your show. Shh, we're taking

over. This is revenge for me being on the simple

thing. Yes, yes. I think DJ is like petting a

cat with his middle arm. I am That's all right

I'm gonna rile I'm gonna rally the troops and

I'm gonna I'm gonna try to talk Dan Amanda and

Matt to get in on your show so we can have our

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