Terminator Genisys Review

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Network of podcasts. Today on Episode 61 of the

Cinema Geeks, we discuss what's next for Jason

Statham. We talk about the new titles for the

next Star Trek and the next Guardians of the

Galaxy films. We talk about the best and worst

from this week's trailers. We give you an in

-depth review of Terminator Genisys, as well

as a special actor spotlight for Arnold Schwarzenegger.

All that and more coming up on Episode 61 with

the Cinema Geeks. That's right, it's episode

61 of The Cinema Geeks, and just in case you

guys are wondering why we're not talking about

what we told you we would be talking about last

week due to some power outages and a trip that

took Dan away from us, we are holding off one

week for our look back at the half year so far

of 2015, so we're still doing that, just pushing

it... to next weekend's episode, so you'll have

to wait a little bit longer, but we promise it'll

be worth the wait. So instead, Amanda and I are

here today to do a little bit about Arnold Schwarzenegger

and everything that he is involved with, including

the new film, Terminator Genesis. How has your

week been going, Amanda? It's been pretty, pretty

fantabulous. That is a strong word. We got a

new addition to the family. Yes, but unlike Dan

and JD and all these other people, we're going

a different route. We adopted a furry baby. A

furry baby. Um, we're not superstitious. We adopted

a three month old black male kitten to join the

10 year old or nine year old female black cat

that we have. So two black cats now in the house

and this guy has all kinds of energy and he likes

to sleep. or try to sleep on your face while

you're trying to sleep, which has caused for

some sleepless nights. So I guess we can somewhat

relate to Dan on a completely different level

here. Four and a half hour stretch of sleep at

max. We're trading shifts and one person is entertaining

the kitten while the other person sleeps. So

that's our version of that. children, I guess

at this point, is the two cats. And we named

him Mad Mardigan. And we should give points to

anybody that can identify what that's from. It

should be pretty easy. Should be. We call him

Marty, but his full name is Mad Mardigan. Marty

with an I, not a Y. Everything's I's not Y's

in this podcast. Anyways, it's gonna be a little

bit different this week. We're going to kind

of do a double main attraction here, so we're

going to spend some time talking about Terminator

Genesis, which we don't usually get to talk about

the new film immediately the weekend that it

comes out. We're usually later to the game with

that, so we're going to get to talk about that.

And we're going to do an actor spotlight, so

kind of a double main attraction for you guys,

but it should be fun. Double whammy. Yes, but

before we get to that, like we do every week,

we're going to talk about The Box Office. And

this is going back a little bit. We're going

to actually cover two weekends worth of Box Office,

because this week weekend is now currently over,

so we won't give you any predictions. We're just

going to take a look back at two weeks ago and

our predictions from that week, and then we'll

look at the results from this weekend that just

passed. We'll save any predictions for next weekend's

show and dance back with us. Two weeks ago, our

predictions were as follows. I believe you tried

again for the golden tux. The Golden Tux, and

you were going to predict the top five in order,

and your prediction, going back to episode 60,

was Jurassic World number one, Ted 2 number two,

Inside Out number three, Max number four, and

Spy number five. And you just missed the first

Golden Tux. You had the five films, and you had

all of them in order except for two. Inside out

beat Ted to so you see you flipped inside out

and Ted to how do you feel about coming that

close? Pretty good sore about the loss, but I

feel pretty solid in my efforts It was it was

the hardest of the predictions So nothing to

feel ashamed about missing out on that one and

pretty surprised how close you came your surprise

skills Just saying okay mad skills. I mean getting

the five in order is a pretty tricky feat We'll

have to see if who can be the first one that

eventually does that Okay, Dan's prediction from

that episode was that Jurassic World in its third

weekend would remain number one at the box office.

And that film continues to not disappoint from

a box office standpoint. It did come in at number

one that third week in a row. It beat Ted 2,

Max, Inside Out, etc. So Dan was correct in his

prediction. Barely though, it beat Inside Out

by just over two million. So it was a real close

race that week. And then my prediction, I stole

Dan's from... Couple weeks prior I said Cinderella

would pass the 200 million mark and it did Now

at 200 million and 200 thousand so it passed

that easily that week So Dan and I are correct

Amanda you take the loss which is should be evening

out the stands a little bit if anybody at home

is keeping track of whatever that might be. I

have a chalkboard with tally marks on it. We're

gonna have to get some updated standings here

at some point. And then like I said, we won't

be doing predictions at all for this weekend

that just passed because it's over and done with.

But just to recap what happened this past weekend,

Jurassic World fourth week in a row by 800 ,000.

Again, a close race between Jurassic World and

Inside Out. So Jurassic World number one, Inside

Out number two. Terminator Genesis, the new release,

comes in at third. for its first week in release.

And Magic Mike XXL, the other new one, comes

in fourth, which means Ted 2 has dropped from

third down to fifth. So Amanda, any surprise

that Terminator did not take the box office in

its first weekend? A little, yeah. I mean, I

can understand, though, with the one and two

spots being what they are. I get it. I thought

there would be a little bit more hype about Terminator,

but I think that number three is... is where

it probably should have been. Yeah, and for those

that are keeping track, Jurassic World now has

domestic, this is domestic, 558 million. That

is insane. For the record though, going back

a little bit, I believe I had made this on a

tweet or on Facebook or something. I don't think

I ever said it on the actual podcast, but I predicted

earlier on in the year about March or April.

I said that this year was going to be the record

holder for the most 500 million movies the most

400 the most 300 and the most 200 More than any

other year and and with Jurassic World passing

the 500 mark I'm gonna be right in every single

one of those predictions except for Still to

be seen on the 200 thousand or the 200 million

that'll be the tricky one But there's never been

a year that's gonna have three films that make

the amount that we're going to have with Avengers,

Jurassic World, and Star Wars and that's not

even counting Hunger Games still coming out with

the movie and sometimes those can get over 400

million so we're breaking records this year as

far as the most money makers at the box office.

Nobody had Jurassic World passing 500 million

or beating Avengers in any way shape or form

so that's impressive. Inside Out's total right

now is 246 so it is by far the most money that

we're gonna see for an animated film probably

for the year. We'll have to see what Minions

does. That'll be its biggest competition. And

Terminator, it's gonna have its work cut out

for it for making its budget, so we'll see how

that goes. The other one that's coming real close

to a milestone is Spy. It's at 97 .8 million,

so it might be passing that 100 million mark

here in a week or a week and a half. Anything

else that you saw about the box office you wanted

to bring up? Magic Mike in the top five? Little

shocked. Yeah, 11 million, beating out Ted 2

by just over a half a million. So that's pretty

impressive. And I guess let's take a look at

the yearly results right now. I said we were

going to do that a couple weeks ago because obviously

there has been some moving and some shaking in

the top 10 and some films that used to be in

there that are no longer in there. So let's just

look at the top five right now for 2015, which

are all films that have grossed over 200 million.

In the fifth spot you have Cinderella. In the

fourth spot you have Inside Out, number three

would be Furious 7, number two Avengers Age of

Ultron, and number one Jurassic World. So those

are your top five on the year so far. So we'll

have to see what happens. We'll have some predictions

next week going along with the films that are

being released when Dan's back with us, but that

is a look at the box office for now. After that

we usually get into news and some trailer talk,

so let's start with the news here. I have given

Amanda no time to prep for these news stories,

so we're getting real -life, on -the -spot reactions

to these things. First headline up for today

is that Jason Statham will return for Fast and

Furious 8. Amanda, thumbs up or thumbs down for

Jason Statham making another appearance in the

Fast and Furious franchise? I don't mind Jason

Statham. I don't care if he's a one -trick pony

kind of guy. I don't mind. We'll see. I didn't

see Fast and Furious 7, so I can't really speculate

too much. Yeah, we've caught up with the first

six, but we haven't seen number seven yet, so

I can't necessarily say how much I liked him

in seven or not, but why not? The more continuity

you have, I guess, in that franchise, probably

the better, so I can't speak too much, though,

until after I've seen number seven. So we'll

give a mild thumbs up for this one for now. The

other new story that we kind of teased in the

beginning was the idea that there's going to

be some titles for some movies that were released

this week, and some information on what those

titles are, and I know people like to speculate

on stuff like that, onto what it's going to mean

and what the story might revolve around, or just

kind of a general feel from the title. So we'll

start with Guardians of the Galaxy, the sequel

here, and that is going to have a new title in

which it's called Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.

2. And that was released via Twitter by James

Gunn. The official title for the Guardian sequel

is Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2, VOL. Like

the CD or the tape that we probably saw a lot

of times with different people there. What do

you think Amanda for Guardians of the Galaxy

Volume 2? Very underwhelming. Underwhelming?

You laughed. I did a little bit but I was shocked

at how shitty that name is. I like it. I think

it fits with the musical theme and the sound

and the soundtracks that are going on there.

I think it works and Guardians of the Galaxy

is already a lot of things to say so I think

something simple and short like that that works

pretty well and hopefully it means that we'll

have just as just as great soundtracks and musical

scores and songs etc involved in the next Guardians

of the Galaxy film as we did in the first one

because I think that was a good selling point

for a lot of people on the first Guardians of

the Galaxy film. So you're giving this one a

thumbs down. Thumbs down. I'm gonna give this

one a thumbs up. So we're split on Guardians

of the Galaxy. The other sequel to get a title

officially is the next Star Trek film. So again,

it's all about the tweets. You got to follow

these people and you get news right away. The

next Star Trek film for those of you that haven't

seen is Star Trek Beyond. So that is what Justin

Lin tweeted out there. Star Trek Beyond. Have

you seen any of the new Star Trek films? Yeah,

I've seen all of them. We own them. I didn't

know if you were Trekkie as much as I am. I dig

them, yeah, I like all of them. What about Star

Trek Beyond? Star Trek Beyond... Yeah, cool,

I guess It's not a little much to go on there,

so I don't you know I don't think it's mind -blowing

I don't really think it's catchy, but maybe I

guess I mean I assume everything in the Star

Trek is kind of beyond and Involved in worlds

that we've never seen and etc. So I don't know

we'll see maybe the maybe we'll get some more

feedback from die -hard Trekkies or all the people

that had problems with into darkness, but We'll

see about Star Trek Beyond and what they think

about that one. Some other news items here that

made headlines this last week. This one's not

necessarily movie related, but Daredevil Season

2 is going to be coming up and they have revealed

who officially is going to be the villain in

that season of Daredevil and that would be none

other than the Punisher. And I was wondering,

Amanda, I know you didn't quite finish the last

A little bit of Daredevil yet, but based on what

you've seen so far, what do you think about the

Punisher reportedly being the villain for Season

2? I liked the Punisher movies. I think he's

a really cool, interesting character, and I think

it'll be interesting to see that mesh up there.

Yeah, I think everybody there obviously Daredevil

season one got a lot of praise and a lot of people

loved it So I'm thinking there's a lot of excitement

for this next one So why not bring in somebody

with the caliber of Punisher there to face off

with Daredevil? So I don't know lots about the

character, but I will say that that's a thumbs

up for me Seems like a good idea Seems like something

I can get behind so double thumbs up for that

one I don't know how many people have been following

or even know what the film Skull Island is about

but it has been the sub name or the subtitle

I guess we would call for the next King Kong

film and apparently they're losing a few of the

stars that have been tied to it so Michael Keaton

and JK Simmons who were both tied and connected

to this project, the King Kong or Kong Skull

Island, have both left. The reason being for,

I think, scheduling issues. I think it got pushed

back or changed as far as when it would shoot

and it made it contradict with some other stuff

that Michael Keaton and J .K. Simmons were doing,

so they will no longer be involved in Kong Skull

Island. Amanda, I don't necessarily need your

thumbs up or thumbs down about them leaving,

but what about just the idea of this King Kong

prequel? Kong Skull Island. Thumbs up or thumbs

down? Uh, yeah, I think it'd be pretty good.

Um, I think I would have liked to see Michael

Keaton and J .K. Simmons in it. Everything but

Birdman. I really like Michael Keaton and J .K.

Simmons. Um, I didn't even like, um... Don't

say it. What was that movie? The drummer movie?

Don't say it. What was the drummer movie? I'm

not telling you because I'm not letting you say

that on air. Tell me the drama whiplash whiplash.

I wasn't a fan of whiplash, but I like JK Simmons

Character and just about anything A piece of

me just died inside. I'm okay with that. I'll

bury it in the backyard under the shed Okay,

I'll give a thumbs down to this whole thing.

I'm not a fan of King Kong films in general nor

am I a fan of Godzilla or like Barry from True

Romance. Not really a fan of most movie monster

films and stuff like that. So I wasn't excited

about this one beforehand and if there's something

that's causing a few stars to leave, that probably

means bad things. So I'll give a thumbs down

to Kong Skull Island. Only two more pieces of

news. Pretty short news week. Next one is...

details about Top Gun 2. So apparently Justin

Marks is writing the screenplay right now, and

according to producer David Ellison, he has a

phenomenal take to really update the world for

what fighter pilots in the Navy have turned into

today. There's an amazing role for Maverick in

the movie, and there is no Top Gun without Maverick,

and it's going to be Maverick playing Maverick.

That's a mouthful, but are you a fan of the first

Top Gun, Amanda? I couldn't really tell you much

about it. I know I've seen it, but maybe once

and when it was on TV or something. I just know

he's, you know, riding his motorcycle and doing

his thing. They have some cool names. and it's

talking about how this is kind of going to be

somewhat showing the end of an era basically

the end of the dogfighting and the end of fighter

pilots which is kind of what we've been getting

towards today obviously with all the drone technology

and the way that the Air combat is going these

days that it's kind of a thing of the past So

it should be exploring the end of an era of dogfighting

and fighter pilots, which should be somewhat

interesting I don't know how much fans of Top

Gun are excited. There is a sequel being made

but I think that's a cool take on it. So I guess

I'll give this one a mild thumbs up. What about

you? Yeah, I'll give it a thumbs up All right

and More JK Simmons news we talked about what

he's not doing but there is something that he

is doing and that is signing up for Terminator

sequels So apparently JK Simmons is on board

for some more films if that happens I don't know

if that's set in stone for a hundred percent,

but I Don't we can get into this a little bit

more when we talk about Genesis and we kind of

get into some spoilers and whatnot so people

can get our take on that, but what do you think

about, just in general, the idea that if there

are sequels, J .K. Simmons, the character that

you saw from Genesis, will be involved? I really

liked his character. I think it was a little

different from what I've seen him in, what I've

seen him in, and I think that his storyline was

really cool, and I liked it. Yeah, I'm definitely

for it. I thought he was a cool character in

there. I think it was a cool angle that they

added there. And right now the two sequels are

slated for May of 2017 and June of 2018. So I

don't know if anything will change based on how

Genesis does at the box office. But if there

are going to be sequels, I'm all for JK Simmons

being involved with that character because I'm

with you. I think that was cool. So I will give

that one a thumbs up on JK Simmons being involved.

All right. That means it is time for some trailer

talk. And there was a few trailers that were

released this last time during the last week

or so. We had Sleeping With Other People, we

had Tom Hardy's Legend, Secret In Their Eyes

starring Julia Roberts, we had the Snowed In

film with Joseph Gordon -Levitt, Creed, Snowed

In, Snowed In. I didn't say Snowed In. It's not

like you said Snowed In. No, that's like the

stupid thing, that stupid Christmas thing. It's

Snowman. Yeah, I don't like that. Creed and the

Rocky family. London has fallen. The sequel to

Olympus has fallen. Then Steve Jobs' film, not

to be confused with Ashton Kutcher. Jenny's wedding,

Sharknado 3, and a second trailer for Ant -Man

all being released here in the last week. So

we're going to let you pick out two different

films, Amanda. You can either yay or nay, either

one. But since there's only two of us, we'll

take two picks apiece. So what's your first one?

Is it a yay or a nay? I'm going to say a yay.

with secret in their eyes. Why so? I like Julia

Roberts. I think seeing her in this type of role

would be really cool. And I think that the story

looked really heartfelt and I liked it. Yeah,

I think I could get behind that. I mean, I don't

know how much this will differentiate. from a

lot of other films in this genre, but I'm willing

to give it a shot based on who's involved. You've

got Julia Roberts, you've got Nicole Kidman,

Ed Giafor. And somebody else that was in that

that I recognize too, but I'm not thinking of

who it is off the top of my head. But yeah, I

think that's worth a shot. I mean, I don't know

if it's something that I'm going to be racing

to the theater for, but it's definitely something

I would check out on Redbox, Netflix, something

like that. I feel like it almost had a Zodiac

feel. I could see that. But I think that it's

really going to tug on your heartstrings and

be a little bit of a thriller at the same time.

Yeah. All right. I would agree with you on that

one. I'd probably give that one a yay as well.

But my first pick will be for, not to be confused

with Snowed In, Snowdin with Joseph Gordon -Levitt.

And why? Because damn it, folks, that's what

a teaser or a trailer should be. Don't give me

anything. Don't spoil stuff. Take note, Terminator

Genesis people. There was nothing about this

trailer except for words on a screen. But they

were powerful, I thought. Yeah, but I like the

setup. Obviously, this is based on a true story,

but I like the idea of this film. In the beginning,

this is one of the ones that we circled around

a little bit in the most anticipated films at

the beginning of the year. So Joseph Gordon -Levitt,

big fan. Historical pieces based on true stories.

I'm a big fan. So Oliver Stone. Making a film,

he hasn't been, seems like he hasn't been relevant

in a long time, so I'm interested to see what

he's putting out here with Snowden, so a yay

for me for that one. What about your second pick,

Amanda? I'm gonna say Creed. Alright, Creed,

what do you think, yay or nay? Yay. Why so? I

just thought it looked really cool, and I thought

that the storyline veering off of the Rocky storyline,

I thought it was fresh, and I was intrigued.

Alright, yeah, I was... I'm going to put myself

out there and probably get blasted for this,

but I'm not sure I've seen a single Rocky movie

from beginning to end. I don't know. I was never

a boxing fan growing up. I was never a fan of

Sylvester Stallone. And the Rocky movies just

never appealed to me. So I will say that that

is a big blind spot. I don't think I've seen

a single one. I wanted to be a boxer and Sylvester

Stallone. It's kind of creepy. It's not. Alright,

so you're giving a yay to Creed I have I'm indifferent

since I haven't seen any other ones like Michael

B Jordan, but I have no knowledge of The character

that I believe is his dad is in the other film.

Yeah, whatever So I'll catch up on those and

get back to you on that one. Um, I only got one

pick left man Don't say shark I would like to

say Ant -Man just for the Avengers joke that

they put in there. I think it was hilarious when

he says they should just call the Avengers. I

think that's great if they're going to have more

of those kind of acknowledgments that those people

do exist in the world. And I'd like to put Sharknado

as a name just so I could just bash on it for

a few minutes. We could even finish the trailer

and it was awful. Yeah, we'd stop the trailer

halfway through. I've never seen any of those

movies. People that like those movies and feed

money into that or do anything like that are

bad people. I'm intrigued by Steve Jobs, but

if I had to say one other thing, I'd probably

go to Legend and give a yay for Legend and the

Tom Hardy versus Tom Hardy. Not really fight

each other, but the brother and brother. Seems

like they're somewhat being pitted against each

other at one point by the authorities, but just

seems like an interesting story, again, based

on somewhat on a true story. And why not see

Tom Hardy play two different characters? And

Dan Diem did it just fine. And I like the mob

angles and everything else about this. So I'm

intrigued by this film. I have been since it

was announced. So a big yay for the legend trailer.

What do you think about that trailer? I think

that second trailer made me want to watch it

even more. The first one had me hooked, but I

think I gleaned a little bit more from this next

trailer. Definitely all in. Alright, so we're

interested to see which ones of those you guys

think are interested in, which ones we didn't

talk about that you might be interested in, or

if you disagree with our take so far. So definitely

go to the website and let us know which ones

of those films you are either yain or nain for.

I'd like to see how much buzz there is for these

different films. And if you are a Sharknado fan,

you can explain yourself on the website. Or you

can just go back under the rock that you shouldn't

be living underneath. Ouch. Strong words from

Miss Hard Candy Mandy there. But we're going

to take a quick break, but when we come back

we got a lot of stuff to talk about in our main

attraction. We're getting all into the divisive,

the polarizing Terminator genesis as it was today

on Twitter. And then we're going to get an in

-depth look. and Arnold Schwarzenegger and we'll

see how much luck we have in coming up with his

top three films and his bottom three films and

kind of a brief commentary on where he stands

overall and going into the future where he's

at in his career. So a lot of cool stuff to talk

about, so stick with us. We'll be right back

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be covering that before we get into our main

attraction though I'd like to pimp out a couple

things that we've been doing over here First

of all if you guys are not aware. We started

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With the exception of Kill Bill will probably

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So let's get into the topic for today, Amanda.

We are fresh. Usually we're different than some

of the other podcasts because we talk more about

the news and the box office, etc. And we usually

have some time to digest some films, to sit on

the films for a little while, to listen to everybody

else's instant feedback as they see the films

you know on opening day or opening weekend and

we usually wait a week and we get to kind of

sit on that and let it let it marinate for a

little bit before we comment on any new films

but this time we're right with them we saw it

same time they did and we're putting out the

podcast very similar to time frames like in session

film and true bromance etc do so we're so we're

right in the mix this time a little more a little

different take because we haven't had a lot of

time to let this one digest so what was your

Initial excitement level for Terminator Genisys

and what were your expectations going in? I Enjoyed

the Terminator franchise as a whole like the

older movies I think it's hard for me to pick

out Things from individual films. I think they

might kind of blur together for me a bit except

for you know, obviously the Christian Bale joint,

but I think this film I had me stoked Definitely

especially the cast and seeing Young Arnold again

and how well they did that in the trailer. I

was pretty stoked to go into this. Yeah, I was

kind of indifferent. I didn't have high expectations

for it. I've never been like a huge, huge Terminator

fan. Like, I appreciate the first couple films

and kind of what they represented in the genre

and for what they were doing back, you know,

especially in the 80s there. So, I mean, I definitely

like... the first two Terminators, but I'm not

someone that was jumping up and down, especially

after the taste that was left in the mouth after

Salvation. Wasn't a huge fan of that. So I was

kind of going in with some medium to low expectations,

and then especially after you see the first couple

waves of critiques and reviews going out there.

Obviously it was scoring pretty bad on Rotten

Tomatoes. I think it currently has a 20... seven

percent or something like that so expectations

were somewhat low going in but I was still interested

in seeing it because it's it's another film and

that's what we do we watch new films so I was

interested to see what the take was with this

one so that being said What was your initial

reaction when the film was done Amanda would

are let me put it this way I said the Rotten

Tomatoes score It's got like a 27 % from the

critics but from the actual audience and like

just the users on Rotten Tomatoes They have it

up near about the 69 68 percent So are the critics

right with 27 percent are the users right with

69 percent or are neither of them right? And

it should be something completely different I

think it should be a little bit higher than what

the users have rated. I don't know why there

isn't more love for this movie. I really, really

enjoyed it. Anger and passion from a few of our

friends our few of our podcasting friends, and

I'm with you I went and maybe it's because I

went in with low Expectations like I said, but

I was pleasantly surprised. I thought it was

entertaining for a summer blockbuster film I

mean it was better than a lot of the crap. We've

gotten over the last couple years. It's definitely

better than For me, it's definitely better than

the last Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film. It

was better than Godzilla from last year. It was

better than... Godzilla was last year? Yeah.

Better than the Transformers films of late, and

that's coming from a die -hard Transformers fan.

So, I mean, compared to a lot of the stuff we've

been getting, I was entertained throughout the

whole thing. I don't understand... I think people,

sometimes with these franchises, are so... Passionate

and so tied to the original films that sometimes

they just come in wanting or expecting to hate

it And then it's just like a self -fulfilling

prophecy I'm not saying everybody's like that,

but I feel like some of it is like that like

Terminator 1 has a hundred percent on Rotten

Tomato So obviously everybody in the world apparently

loves that film even more than I do and I don't

know I feel like this one didn't really stand

I think this could have been a great film and

it still would have been bashed by some people

I mean, I'm not calling it a great film by any

means. I don't think it's Anywhere near one of

my favorite films this year so far I think it's

in one of my favorite films of this year's list

I think that's that's definitely in my list and

I if you like the first one so much I don't understand

why you couldn't Appreciate a ton about this

movie. Yeah, and I'm kind of with you on some

of that because we actually Rewatched Terminator

the original Terminator the night before here,

the night before we watched this one in the theater.

And I thought all that did was really enhance

and enrich the experience of watching this one.

Like I liked this one, especially coming less

than 12 hours after watching the first one. I

thought it was great the way they mixed in what

was happening in the first Terminator and kind

of that whole storyline. And I mean... Some of

it's so well done, even if it was brought to

better standards from a visual standpoint and

effects and whatnot. But I thought it was perfectly

woven in to the beginning of this film and really

set the stage for what was going on. And I don't

understand the argument about... This one, and

this is not just coming from the people that

we were talking to on Twitter. I read through

a dozen or so reviews on Rotten Tomatoes from

the people that were bashing it because my main...

Thing after watching this was why is this getting

such a bad review? I wanted to know what I was

missing I wanted to know What did I not see or

what should I have been upset about that? I just

wasn't when I watched it So I was reading a bunch

of reviews obviously had the the big Twitter

conversation with our friend DJ Valentine from

simplistic reviews and JD from in session film

Amongst some other people that might have chimed

in at there at the end, but I don't understand

the whole time travel Problem that people are

having with this one and that it erased the first

two films, or it made the first two films obsolete,

and that's why - Time travel and the timeline

is fluid. It's gonna be changing. And of course,

there's obviously the butterfly effect, and if

they're going back and forth, past, present,

future, whatever, they're gonna be changing stuff.

They're trying to change stuff. So of course,

the storyline is gonna shift, and it's gonna

be different, and things are gonna be negated.

But that doesn't, that doesn't eliminate - That

the events of Terminator 1 or Terminator 2 happened

in one time frame at one point Like just because

we've gone back and like erased that Doesn't

mean that That doesn't exist. You know what I

mean? Like it still existed in an alternate time

frame whether it is still going on or not like

I don't think you can be mad at that and say

just because the first two films are so great

and this one somewhat makes it so those don't

happen like that shouldn't be what this is faulted

for like time travel there are no rules there's

nothing saying that the next film couldn't redo

all of that and say that it all happened again

because somebody went back even further and stop

something else from happening like it's constantly

evolving it constantly can and can affect what

either happens or doesn't happen so i don't buy

the whole i'm gonna hate on this film just because

it took away something from the beauty and what

happened in the first two films. Like, they can

all coexist and be all good and they don't have

to take away from each other. What they did take

away was the Arnold Schwarzenegger wang flopping

around. Yeah, and I appreciate that we didn't

have to see Arnold Schwarzenegger's wang or Jay

Courtney's wang. I like that we didn't. Amanda

might have been hoping for it, but I kind of

appreciate in modern day times where we're actually

not seeing wang for once on a film. What do you

mean not seeing wang for once? It seems like

it's all over the place these days. Dicks are

popping up everywhere. Yeah, and I'm glad it

didn't in this episode, or in this movie. In

this episode? In this movie. Or in this episode.

You guys can't see what's happening, but yeah.

But going back to a thing what are the things

that you liked about it most? I Really? Liked

the the humor that was throughout. I thought

it was really well done It was subtle sometimes

in your face a little bit and Other moments,

but I think that overall no matter who it was

was it you know Jai was it Arnold? I think all

of that was was really well played. I also thought

that it had heart. I felt for these characters

more than maybe in the older Terminator films.

I think I was more emotionally vested in this

maybe because I was older. I'm not really sure.

I have a more broad spectrum of emotion. But

I think I was touched. I cried a little bit at

one point. Got the feels? I got the straight

feels. And I really liked the storylines that

they had as far as the characters. J .K. Simmons

popping up. His character was really entertaining

and like you said, I liked that angle that they

threw in there. I even really liked Amelia Clarke

way better as Sarah Connor. And the first...

Terminator film she was so whiny and weak I just

I mean I know that that was how she was supposed

to be in there You know she's supposed to transform

into this warrior But it just really took away

a lot of the film for me because I'm just like

why is she flailing her arms and flopping against

this wall here when there's an explosion Stupid

things But I really liked Amelia Clarke as Sarah

Connor. I thought just because she's short doesn't

mean she can't you know, fire gun and whoops

and butt, coming from experience. So I liked

her. I also thought Arnold did a really good

job. I think that... I think Arnold's been somewhat

on a roll lately. Yeah, I think he didn't even

look that bad. And I think the integration of

his character... This is the Terminator in the

first one, how they kind of meshed that look

into this. I thought that was really well done.

I think all of the nods to the first one that

kind of tied the timelines together and showed

how that was the same and then how it kind of

got to a certain point that now everything's

gonna be different. We knew all this was gonna

happen. But now we don't know anymore past this

point, so everything has changed. And I think

that Jai Courtney as Kyle Reese was really good.

I liked him. I didn't think he was too over the

top. I think he was maybe a little under the

radar. First of all, for people that are calling

him bland or saying that that performance was

bland, that is how the character is written.

Like, the character of Kyle Reese is a bland

character. Like anybody could play him almost

because he's not supposed to be Han Solo. He's

not supposed to be John McClane. He's literally

just someone that's facilitating the story and

stuff like that. Nobody after watching, let's

not get retrospective rewriting history, nobody

that saw Terminator was raving about Kyle Reese

the first time. No. Nobody was raving about that

performance. It was just almost a background,

like just a plot character that was, it was all

about Arnold and Sarah Connor. Like nobody was

going... bonkers about Kyle Reese after the first

Terminator, so let's not pretend that that was

something that existed. Nobody was raving about

the performance, no one was raving about the

character. It's a bland character that doesn't

need someone that's overly charismatic. It doesn't

need someone that's bigger than life, like...

But I think of this one, they really beefed up

and fleshed out his story and they made him.

It was a much more there was a there was much

more to his character in this film than the first

one and I don't I don't care how many people

wanted to rave about Terminator because I guess

it was a great film, but let's not We can't say

that the Kyle Reese character in Terminator 1

had more depth or more story than the one in

this one It just is not true flopping around

your eyes rolling the back of your head got shot

somewhere. We don't even know Yeah, and I'm not

even getting into the acting, I'm just saying

just the character overall. There's way more

to the Kyle Reese character in this one. You

have the dynamics between his relationship with

John Connor, which all we hear about, all we

get in the first one is just the talk. that John

Connor sent him back. We don't get the actual

reaction and the actual relationship between

those two like we do with this one. Or his emotion

regarding John Connor. Right. We also don't get

the dynamics between him and Sarah Connor that

we do in this one. Yes, they interact the whole

time and he's trying to protect her and you have

that angle, but you don't get the whole, you

know, that... Think it's amped up in this one

because you have a Sarah Connor that already

knows you have a you know Amelia Clarke Sarah

Connor already knows it's a different character.

You almost can't compare the two because they're

in there different Places they know different

things so they're completely different characters

It's much more comparable to the Sarah Connor

in Terminator 2 Judgment Day probably than this

the one in Terminator 1 But um, but she already

knows who Kyle Reese is and what the history

and what the future is supposed to be So I mean

it adds a depth to that relationship, too So

I just found the relationships between the characters

a lot more believable in the first one It's literally

just a girl that knows nothing about anything

That has somebody trying to kill her and somebody

trying to protect her and that's the depth of

those characters in the first one I'm not saying

it's bad, it worked for that film, but let's

not fault this one and say that the characters

are somehow more shallow or more bland because

there was way more to the characters this time

to actually sink your teeth into. And also, um,

the T -100, or 101, was it 101? Arnold is the

101, I believe. Yeah, I think he even had, um,

way more depth to him than the original. Yeah,

and I can see some people faulting it a little

bit because he is a, he is a... you know, cybernetic

being or... But if you think about it, if he's

AI, he has flesh tissue and he's AI. He is on

this plane for so many years. He's going to pick

up habits and develop a new level of state of

being. Right. I mean, I can have some... I can

see where some people... Probably the worst dialogue

of the whole film was where they were saying

something about... that he loved Sarah Connor,

or that he somehow put in love. With the hug

thing? Yeah, or something. You never thought

that he'd say, I love you, or something like

that. And I can see people saying that that's

probably the worst dialogue of the film, so a

little cheesy there. My only problem was when

he was like, Kyle Reese is a good man. And I

was kind of, you know... taken into myself for

a second and thought, how would he be able to

determine that? What would his criteria be to

be able to tell her that he's a good man? Right.

And yeah, so I can see a few problems with how

Arnold's character was handled maybe a little

bit here and there, but overall his performance

I thought was great. Like you said, the humor.

A lot of times Arnold can come across as super

cheesy or like forcing lines that aren't funny

anymore, like you know, the whole I'll be back

thing like that could be forced in there. But

I thought it was somewhat fine. I mean, we saw

it in the trailer anyways. We'll get into the

trailer here in a second. But yeah, overall,

I thought I thought. The characters had a lot

more to it. We'll also get into the acting here

in a little bit, because that was heated on Twitter

as well, and I'd like to comment on a few things

there that I think people are just blind to from

watching the first one. Like I said, I think

people are watching that first one a little bit

too much with rose -tinted glasses there, and

the nostalgia's taken over a little bit. There's

no way that the first one should have 100 % on

Rotten Tomatoes. I'm sorry, folks. call that

sacrilege or blasphemy or whatever. It's a great

film. I have no problem with it being highly

rated in certain qualifications if you want to

talk about the decade it came in or the genre

or stuff like that, but for it to have 100 %

is a bit extreme. It should be somewhere in the

90s maybe, you know, high 80s, low 90s, but there's

no way Terminator 1 should be 100%. There are

definitely... issues in that film and don't even

say that the visual effects should get a pass

because of the time period because guess what

guys Star Wars was doing that years before it

came out and doing it better so if Star Wars

could have done the visual effects there could

have been some improvements on Terminator regardless

of the budget constraints that it might have

had and that's just one of the issues that I

have with the first film but getting into what

you were talking about a little bit we talked

about how it does a real good job of kind of

showcasing what happened in Terminator 1 almost

scene for scene and moment for moment with improved

visuals and everything but they're showing exactly

how it all sets up and then you said that that

gets to a certain point where all sudden things

become different something hits you where you're

not expecting it. That's just something that

John Connor set up too when he said you know

I cheated you know he told me everything but

past this I don't know and he gets to a point

where they know everything that's happened right

and then That breaks then then they don't know

anymore so things are gonna change right, but

there's one point specifically where you're following

the first movie scene for scene and that something

changes And that wasn't in the first one and

that's what kind of like your first your first

idea that okay now We're going a different direction,

and then obviously there's a twist later on but

how much Fault should we give to whoever's behind

putting the actual trailer out for this film?

because I feel like this film would have gone

over a little bit better if the trailer was completely

different. Because they literally give one of

the two biggest twists in the movie away in the

trailer. And that should never happen. I don't

know who comes up with what should be in the

trailer and who then okays it to actually go

out, but whoever was in charge of that for this

film should never be allowed to touch another

trailer for any film in the future. I think this

is one of the biggest spoiler -filled trailers

I have seen. So I would give major point deductions

for whoever's involved with the trailer, because

that definitely ruins some aspects of this film.

I'm not saying you couldn't have seen them coming,

or... Well, I don't think I would have seen the

one coming, but I just would have liked to have

the experience fresh watching the film. I know

a lot of people avoid trailers for this exact

reason, but you should be able to watch trailers

without having parts of films spoiled. They're

meant to intrigue you, not give you the full

synopsis in two minutes. It's supposed to be

more of a teaser, not a whole plot reveal. I

think that the twist that was in the trailer,

I liked it. I mean, I was pissed that they spoiled

it for me, but I still appreciated it. I liked

it. I was thinking, where else can we go with

this story? And I think that it was perfect.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with it either.

I know some people said it was silly or stupid

or whatever, but I don't necessarily see it that

way. I mean, you see... and this is a bit of

a spoiler right now so if you don't want to have

part of the movie spoiled I guess to tune out

for a little bit for about the next 30 seconds

but you see when Kyle Reese is going back as

he would have in the original one which is not

a spoiler he is sent back you know to 1984 but

you see right then that somebody is doing something

to John Connor. So then it makes perfect sense

to follow that plot line to say that he's been

affected somehow, like he's been changed or he's

been, we don't know if he's been killed, whether

he's been replaced, whether, like you said, he's

been altered. So I think it works perfectly fine.

It's not stupid, it's not silly, it makes perfect

sense with how they set it up. It makes perfect

sense as well because if you think about what

Skynet was trying to do with these Terminators

was infiltrate. into these Factions of humans

that were left and what better to do than take

their leader right and Use them use him as their

puppet right and they had to do something because

they know that I Mean they could clearly see

that Kyle Reese is going back there They probably

already know about that since this is you got

to understand that this is not like something

that probably only happened one time As we know

because this time Sarah Connor already knows

a lot of the things so I mean this this is not

like Terminator 1 happened and Terminator 2 happened

and then this happened like This cycle has been

going on over and over again like Kyle Reese

has been sent back and the Terminators have been

sent back multiple times. This has been like

a whole cat -and -mouse thing that's been going

on for years or decades. Even though they say

that this weapon is their last fail -safe or

whatever, clearly it hasn't been used just this

one time. Every time we get to that point it

gets sent back again or they try something different

or they're trying to send Terminator back before,

you know, you either have the the Resistance

or the John Connor party sending somebody back

earlier and earlier to try to protect Sarah Connor

or you have Skynet sending someone back earlier

or different or whatever to try to kill her.

So I mean this has been a cat and mouse game

that's going on and I think some people are under

the impression that it just happened in Terminator

1 and Terminator 2 and now here or whatever and

that's not the case. So I think the whole focusing

on John Connor and trying to infiltrate him and

use him for their... Progress is something that

makes perfect sense. I don't understand why that's

silly or why that's stupid I agree with you like

you said about the humor and that felt good,

too I was entertained some people were saying

that this film was boring or A snooze fest or

whatever I didn't get that at all. When was there

a slow moment or when was there? you know dialogue

that was just being over and over. I mean, I

get that the movie is two hours, but it didn't

feel like a two -hour film to me. No, no. I'm

always at this point in a film where I'm like,

geez, how much time has passed, and how much

more time do I have to be in this film? We didn't

look at our clocks one time. And we didn't at

all. No. So I mean, I think it was entertaining

from that standpoint. I was never bored. There

was action going on, and the dialogue was directly

related to the whole chase and everything like

that. And there wasn't too much dialogue that

was just surrounding... people talking just to

share emotions and things. Like you said, I really

do appreciate also the JK Simmons edition and

how he had a tie into the original one and how

that's that cop growing up. And it makes sense

that there would be somebody that would experience

that in 1984 that might still be alive or someone

experienced like, you know, you have the time

from an 84, 97, 2017 or whatever. I mean, we're

not talking about hundreds of years here. So

people would have then there's a possibility

that someone would have seen something or would

still be alive that experienced some events from

the first one. So I think that was a very cool

thing. And it kind of adds to the fact that you

don't just have these crazy people from the future

telling you things that you're not going to believe,

but you have this guy that's saying, no, this

is the whack job here that's seen it as well.

And I think that with Arnold 2 taking the quote

unquote long way, I thought that was a really

really cool aspect and I really didn't see that

coming at all No, I like that I like that as

well as the effects that they did with the aging

of the of the skin That's on his outer casing

and kind of how that progressed as well. I thought

that was super cool effects So I thought all

that was fun. Of course, they did the classic

Thing with Jack Courtney where there's two of

them and you got to try to figure out which one's

real which one's not I mean that's meant and

seen for decades in different cartoons and different

movies. So I mean, that was cool. You always

have a cool little standoff to try to figure

out how you're going to determine which one's

which. But shoot one with the easy route. Just

shoot one of them in the foot and see what happens.

And I thought that the... The costume as well

were so so on point I mean right down to his

Nikes and when he was in the 80s Yeah, same from

the first film the t -shirt the jacket You know

everything even what the punks were wearing right

and was who okay the punks from the first one

That was the guy from twister Okay, what's his

name? You're talking about Bill Pullman? Bill

yeah He was one of those punks, yeah. I didn't

know that. He was like the main one that broke

the bottle over the telescope or whatever. I

will say that that's one of the only moments

I will fault Jay Courtney or the Direction Inn

in this one is when he's going through the department

store and getting the clothes. The one scene

where he picks up the shoes. the first one I

will say it was done better because in this one

he literally didn't even look to see if the shoe

was the same size as his foot he did he not like

the first one the first one he holds it up and

it's like you can tell he's seen if it fits when

then he goes on and this one he like he goes

to the motions of putting the shoe on his like

next to his foot but he doesn't actually ever

It's like he's not even looking at that point,

he's already moving away. It was just quick.

I thought that was a little too quick, but getting

into the acting a little bit, because this is

where the big fight's going on, and let's not

get confused, guys. Nobody's saying that Sarah

Connor is not a great heroine, or that she's

one of the best female... Badasses in cinema

history. I know a lot of people when we were

talking about Mad Max Fury Road on different

podcasts earlier in the year We're talking about

how much Furiosa is, you know a Badass heroine

and that we haven't had a lot and people had

top lists of or conversations of you know What

are the other great heroines in film and Sarah

Connor comes up again and again and again? Because

she is a great character and she is a great heroine

as far as the character goes That does not mean

that people are also praising Linda Hamilton's

role as Sarah Connor. People can say that the

character is great without necessarily in the

same breath saying that the actress did a great

job of portraying it. Now, she does do a pretty

good job in Terminator 2 Judgment Day, I'll give

her that, but since I didn't re -watch that recently,

I only re -watched the first Terminator, and

the first Terminator, her acting is a little

weak. As good as that film is her acting is a

little weak and you pointed out to a great scene

and I want to I should capture it and on YouTube

or something and tell someone to tell me that

that's a great acting scene but when she is flailing

against the wall she looks absolutely retarded

and she flails against the wall like four or

five different times that I don't it was like

she was having a seizure she's not taking cover

she's just throwing yourself up against the wall

with their arms above her head right I mean the

acting overall from No one lauded Terminator

1 when it came out for the acting guys. Get over

it. It didn't happen. It was lauded because it

was science fiction, it was the visual effects,

the whole idea of this Terminator, because Arnold

was in it, because it was a great action film,

there was suspense and science fiction elements

that everybody loved. Nobody was... Putting people

up for best actor or supporting actress from

this film. It wasn't lauded as a great Film for

actors or actresses half the people in this film

went on to do nothing else I realized that Kyle

Reese was the same guy that does Johnny Ringo

in Tombstone and maybe appeared in one or two

other decent roles But come on the guy did not

have a storied career of great acting after that

Linda Hamilton hasn't done anything in her career

hardly So let's not talk about how great these

actors and actresses are and the other thing

was the guy that plays Kyle Reese in the first

one. His acting was pretty bad, especially when

he gets shot when he's in the truck with Sarah

Connor and she has to drive and he was shooting

out the window and he gets shot. Talk about some

overacting. He was rolling his eyes in the back

of his head like three or four different times.

Like in progression like a scene would show him

and he's rolling his eyes in the back of his

head and then the next scene He would do it again

and the next thing he would do it again Like

I don't know what the direction was but the acting

was somewhat comical in the first one at times

So let's get over the fact that these were some

type of great actors that Jai Courtney and Amelia

Clarke could not hardly ever Compete with all

right when all is said and done Amelia Clarke

is ten times the actress that Linda Hamilton

will be when they're both when you when you have

both of their careers Complete and you look at

them both you guys are gonna be sticking your

foot in your mouth about saying that Linda Hamilton

was ever a better actress than Amelia Clarke

and Regardless of what you like or dislike about

Jai Courtney. He did nothing wrong in this film.

There's too many people going into this hating

him already and Disliking the fact that he was

cast for this because they don't like him and

much at all or they can't give him credit in

this film because it's not what they wanted based

on the first one. Right and I get people didn't

like him in Die Hard that's one of his earlier

roles and he was pretty bad in it or whatever.

I didn't think he was that bad. I liked him as

that. But I mean I get that and then that was

a bad movie so maybe that didn't help things.

I don't agree with that at all. I like that.

Most people didn't like that film. Do you like

Die Hard movies? Yeah I didn't like that one

though. But uh, but I don't I don't get it like

people hated him in in the divergent series and

the insurgent series And I don't think he's that

bad people just say over and over. It's the same

argument He's bland and he has no charisma. He's

bland and he has no charisma I I guess everybody

has a different definition of that, but but I'm

not getting in much complaints from any of the

females that are watching him, so maybe that's

just a guy thing that guys don't like him for

some reason because they want him to be somebody

that he's not. Because he's a buff, sexy beast

and you guys are hating him. But yeah, I don't

think he was that bad in the film. Overall, I

would take the acting in this film over everything.

Even Arnold is better in this film than he was

as an actor back in that film. He's become a

good actor. He was not a good actor in the 80s.

I don't care how nostalgic the Conan films are

or the Terminator films are or all the other

films are. Those were good films because they

were fun, because they were entertaining and

whatever, but it wasn't because of Arnold's acting.

But in his later days now, he has become a better

actor. He is way more believable with how he

acts and his delivery of his lines. So I would

even take Arnold's performance in this one over

the first one. But this is not a hate fest on

Terminator 1. I think that's a good... good if

not great film and I think it... I don't understand

why people can't say that Terminator 1, Terminator

2, and this one all can be good at the same time.

Like, why does it have to be one or the other?

Why do we have to either hate this one or...

If this was a standalone film or if it was a

complete reboot, I don't know if this is a part

of the series or if it really is a complete reboot,

but you can still appreciate the film for what

it was. And I think if you have nostalgia for

the other ones, I feel like you should be able

to appreciate it that much more. Right, and that's

something that we should give credit for this

one. This could be a standalone film. This doesn't

need... I think you can appreciate more of this

film if you've seen the first couple, but you

don't have to have watched the first couple to

understand what's going on in this film and to

follow it. It can be a standalone film. It feeds

you all of that. So I mean, with the way that

it does the introduction, you could watch this

as a standalone film as a new generation of people

that have never seen Terminator, and it would

work. And I think a lot of times, reboots or

sequels or different things like that don't work

like that, so I would give it credit for that.

Anything else before we give our closing grades

on Terminator Genesis that we haven't talked

about that you'd like to get out there? Can I

include a spoiler? Yeah, spoiler alert coming

up for Terminator Genesis. What do you got? I

think... the upgrade that he got at the end.

Okay, as soon as he fell in that pit of stuff,

and it was like, oh, it's nothing. He doesn't

have a CPU. Well, he has a CPU. He's got that

chip. So as soon as he got dunked in that stuff,

I knew. I was like, oh, he's coming back. And

I liked it. I'm glad that that happened. I think

that was a really feel -good moment, and it completed

a circle for me. Yeah, and I could see this movie

just being by itself. It doesn't even need to

have more movies I mean, I guess the doors open

to have more but Obviously with time travel the

doors always open to do whatever you want But

I think this could have been the end and that

would have been fine, too So I don't I don't

get the hate for it overall grade wise First

so people don't think I'm hating on the first

Terminator if I was giving a grade on the first

Terminator I'd probably give it like a eight

out of ten like I think I liked it a little more

than you did, but I think the first Terminator

for me would get an 8 out of 10. I'm not saying

this one is as good as that one. I think there

are improvements in stuff. I can see people liking

the story in the first one better, but I think

there are some improvements in a lot of the other

areas, so I will give Terminator Genesis probably

a 7 out of 10. is where I'm at for Genesis. A

low seven, but a seven out of ten. I don't think

it's the greatest film of the year, but I don't

think it deserves the hate that people are giving

it, so I would give it a low seven out of ten.

What about you for the first Terminator film?

First Terminator, I'd probably give it a six.

Okay. Genesis though, I'm going to give it a

9. I really enjoyed it. I think a lot of this

movie had me engaged and I was thoroughly entertained

and enthralled and invested in all the characters

and I definitely see it again. Alright, so better

reviews than you're probably hearing at most

places because people want to hate, but... Haters

gonna hate, haters gonna hate. So get off the

nostalgic bandwagon, stop your Jai Courtney hating

just to hate them, and let's move on to our second

half of our main attraction, which is going to

be talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger. We've

done a few actor spotlights before. We've broken

down Will Ferrell. We broke down Harrison Ford

and it seems fitting with Maggie this year and

with Terminator Genesis that we do a little Arnold

talk and try to break down what his best and

worst Films have been so we're gonna get into

that next according to Rotten Tomatoes Just real

quickly his his best rated films Like I said,

obviously Terminator the first one would count

because that was a hundred percent on Rotten

Tomatoes his other very highly rated films. He

has a 96 % for The Long Goodbye, which he was

not a main role in. He has 93 % for Terminator

2, Judgment Day 94 % for Dave. And I believe

he has one other one in the 80, 94 % for Malu.

Those are all the ones above 90%. He also has

some that are rated pretty bad. So do we want

to start with the good or the bad, Amanda? Let's

start with the good. Alright, we're going to

start with the good, so we're going to try to

narrow it down to his top three films. Looking

at everything he's done, what would be one film

you'd like to throw out there? This is not necessarily

going to be in the top three, but what's one

you'd like in the discussion? Total Recall. All

right, so we're throwing Total Recall out there

to be in discussion. That was an 84 % on Rotten

Tomatoes. That's also one of his higher rated

ones from 1990. So we'll put that in the conversation.

Obviously we have to have Terminator the series,

regardless of which film you think, but we got

to consider those films as possibilities. So

we got Total Recall and the Terminator series.

What else would you put out there? that you think

deserves to be in the discussion? I think if

it was just my personal list, I'd put end of

days in there. I think that was a little bit

of a different role. Is that on here at all?

Do you see the rating there? What is that? An

11 %? Yeah, that's an 11 % on round two. So that's

where the personal standpoint comes into play.

I think as far as... how well the films did.

Not necessarily how well. It was a combination

of how, you know, box office, Rotten Tomatoes,

how much we ourselves like him. I know I have

a soft spot for some of his stuff from earlier.

So whether they make the final grade, I'd just

like to throw him out there anyways, but I like

Kindergarten Cop. I actually like Twins. Yeah,

Twins is Dead. So those are kind of two of the

ones from early on that I would probably put

out there that I liked. I like Junior too, I

thought that was such a fun film. Of course you

have Predator. Yes. You have the Conan series.

Yes. Conan the Destroyer, Conan the Barbarian.

You got Commando. Any other ones that were missing

that you'd like to put out? I have not seen Dave

so I can't comment on Dave. I have not seen Dave

either. Sorry, that can't necessarily be involved.

I kind of... would almost like to put Maggie

in there. Okay. He was good in Maggie. I couldn't

put it in there as a film, but if we were talking

about his role, I think it's one of the worst

films of 2015, but I think he was good. I agree

with that. You have the last stand from recent

years. You got the Expendables series. We gotta

narrow it down to three. I think that Expendables

should be eliminated from both sides of the list.

He was kind of a... Small role in that. Yeah,

but there were so many big name actors in there.

I think they all had to share, you know, some

screen time there. I just feel like there's too

many big names and I think we should just kind

of cut that one out. And I think we should say

that there can only be one Terminator film. Okay.

Well, we'll have to debate on which one it is,

but I think there can only be one Terminator

film. So the other ones we've thrown out there...

We've got to narrow it down. Are we going some

early days with Commando, Conan, or Predator?

Are we going the funny ways with Junior and Kindergarten

Cop and Twins? Jingle All the Way only has a

17 %? Yeah, that's a bad movie. I love that movie.

Jingle All the Way is a bad movie. It's got Simbad

in it? We're talking good, so where do we want

to go here? I think we've got... Oh, Total Recall,

too. I forgot about that. I think it should be

Terminator, Total Recall. and Predator. Predator?

Mm -hmm. And leaving Conan and Commando out?

If we only have to do three, yeah. It hurts not

putting Kindergarten Cop in there. I love that

film. And I think you're on the right track.

I think Terminator, Total Recall, and Predator

all kind of represent him in his heyday. Not

saying that some of those other ones we mentioned

aren't worthy. I think Kindergarten Cop would

be number four. And I think you have to put Conan

the Barbarian in there somewhere. Maybe Conan

for Kindergarten Cop 5. Yeah. Man. And Terminator,

if I had to pick a film, just me personally,

I would put Terminator 2 Judgment Day as the

number one for his Terminator films. If we have

to exclude Genesis. Some people would put Terminator

1 on there. I would put Terminator 2 on there.

I know you'd put Genesis on there. I would say

Judgment Day. So Judgment Day for Terminator

2, Judgment Day, Total Recall. and Predator.

Alright, so you guys will have to let us know

if you are with us or against us on that, or

which ones we missed. Like I said, I'm sorry,

we have not seen Maloo, I think is how you say

that. We have also not seen Dave, and we have

not seen the Running Man, so we couldn't... We

couldn't say on that. We were about to watch

that. We were about to, but we ran out of time

due to some other plans, so we can't talk about

that one. But I think that's a decent list. I

think that might be a little narrow as far as

the years, because we're talking about 87, 90,

and 91, so we're just kind of counting that.

But I think that, would you say that that's his

prime? I think those are his most iconic... roles

as far as what made him the action. Right. I

mean, he had the early 80s with the first Terminator

and the Conan movies and Commando and then, you

know, you kind of had that late science fiction

in the late 80s with Total Recall and Predator

and Terminator 2, etc. Then he kind of went in

to do some weird, not as good things for a while.

True Lies was also pretty good. Yeah. He did

some political things and some action things

and some comedy things. He tried to do a whole

bunch of different stuff. And then obviously

we had the break when he was the governator.

So we had that phase in his career. And then

now he's come back here in the recent times with,

you know, the Expendables, The Last Stand, Escape

Plan, Sabotage, Maggie, and now this Terminator.

So if you're looking at Arnold overall, before

we get into the bad films, where would you say,

we've identified his prime, but where would you

say he is at his career? Is he at a resurgence

of somewhat? Is he on the downward hill here

and not have much left in him? Or what do you

think? I would say I think he's on a mild hill

of a resurgence. I think he's coming back a little

bit. I think that now that his plate is a little

bit, you know, less full of government, um, political

aspirations and stuff. Yeah. Responsibilities.

He doesn't have to run California anymore. So

I think he can come back and do some stuff. And

I think that he dipped his toe in with, um, you

know, Maggie and all that stuff and expendables

and things like that. I think it's doing well

for him. I think you're going to get a little

bit of a mix from him here on out. You're going

to have like the decent acting performance, smaller

film type stuff hopefully. And then you're going

to have just the, I'm going to be in a film with

Sylvester Stallone or I'm going to be in a film

with some action angle or some reboot on something

or something like that. So, but I agree. I think

he's on a somewhat of a little hill here. So

like a late career resurgence reinventing himself.

Like a late life midlife crisis. Think he's gonna

be a little bit more choosy with the films that

he does make I feel like I feel like that's what's

happening. I mean look at Maggie Can you see

him doing anything like Maggie and his heyday?

No, no, no, no He's a little older. He needs

to tone it down. I think he knows that But I

mean, I think he's still got Got it in him to

do some action roles. He's got a little gusto

in him a little bit still man What a one all

said and done this guy's gonna have a life and

a career that is not empty with stories and the

things that he was able to accomplish. From the

bodybuilding, to the action hero, to the governor,

to... I heard he smoked weed with Will and Nelson.

Probably. He probably did whatever he wanted

in the late 80s. Alright, so we gotta get into

some of the bad though, because for all the good

stuff that he's done, and for as much people

as like his films, especially from the 80s, he

has had some disasters along the way. So, we're

gonna throw some out there. I gotta say, as badly

as Sabotage was reviewed, I have not seen it

because of those reviews, so I can't really comment

on how bad that is. Otherwise, that probably

would be in the conversation. If we're talking

about Rotten Tomatoes, and what They dislike

the most you got stuff like collateral damage

with a 19 % end of days with 11 Jingle all the

way with 17 Batman and Robin with 11 Mr. Freeze

red Sonya with 18 So there is some bad ones out

there. What's one that you would definitely think

should be in the running? It's it's harder to

say his poopy movies. I don't think so. I think

he had a whole poopy section Twins only has a

34 % I think that's better than that But let's

let's say jingle all the way know that you just

get to announce one at a time here So you're

throwing jingle all the way into the discussion

all right? Don't hold me back. You should you

throw jingle all the way in there. I am for sure

Throwing Batman and Robin in there. He was a

great mr. Free that was a terrible movie that

had a gazillion characters was not good. In the

realm of Batman, it's probably one of the worst

Batman films. I like Poison Ivy. Oh my god, stop

it. Stop it. Batman and Robin is definitely in

the discussion. Jingle all the way. How do you

get to say it's definitely in the discussion?

Because we get to nominate stuff, and I am nominating

Batman and Robin as one of his worst films. You

got Jingle all the way. What else do you want

to throw in there? I don't know. I feel like

some of these... I don't want to be too hard

on Last Stand. I actually kind of like Last Stand.

I absolutely did not like... I can't remember

if it was... I don't want to get these too confused.

The sixth day and end of days. One of those I

did not like at all. I thought that was super

weird. I didn't necessarily like Junior. Didn't

really like a racer. I thought this is a time

of his time collateral damage I thought all these

were films that be his his early his late 90s

early 2000s I think was his worst part of his

career so I could see a bunch of those being

being put in there so You like Action films though,

so even the crappy ones you tend to like I don't

know I would say I'm fine with Jingle all the

way in Batman and Robin being two of them If

I'm coming up with another one, me personally,

I'm probably putting End of Days in there. Why?

Do you even remember that movie? Yeah, I did

not like it at all. But you like all the supernatural

and otherworldly type stuff. I thought it was

terrible and I didn't think he was very believable

in that role as Jericho from 1999. So, alright,

if you don't want End of Days, then you gotta

come up with something else. We gotta come to

an agreement here. What else do you want to throw

in there? Junior a racer last action hero Dave's

because I've never even you can't do that. It's

a 94 % Yes, we can't do that. I haven't seen

red Sonia, so I can't comment on on that one

What do you think here I should have had more

time for this just saying Yeah, I don't know

I don't know you guys are in there obviously

one of the expendables movies No, we already

eliminated that, right? We eliminated that. I

eliminated that. Yeah. Let's say True Lies. True

Lies is decent. Meh. That's a decent film. Everybody

just likes that movie because Jamie Lee Curtis

is all getting freaky on the bedpost. I'm telling

you, Collateral Damage, End of Days, Last Action

Hero. Those were all bad movies. Junior. Not

that good of a movie. He was pregnant. It was

amazing. Arnold Schwarzenegger is pregnant as

bad as Hulk Hogan being a nanny. I like that!

Eraser? Yeah. Eraser wasn't bad. Alright, you

are way too keen on some of these films. I just

like a lot of our own movies. Alright, well we'll

have to let people help us out on picking our

third one. We got Jingle All The Way, and even

though she's against it, we got Batman and Robin.

And we need help picking out a third one. So

the listeners, let us know which film should

be added onto the list. Not just which film should

be added onto the bad list to make out our three

films there, but also let us know what you think

about our top three picks with Terminator 2,

Judgment Day, Total Recall, and Predator, with

honorable mention for Conan the Barbarian and

Kindergarten Cop. Quite the collection there.

So let us know how we did on the top and which

film should be added to the trio for bottom.

Batman and Robin jingle all the way and I'm still

voting end of days, but Amanda won't let me do

that. So let me know what you guys think on that

one. Any other thoughts on Arnold? Are you a

fan or not of Arnold? I am a fan. I've always

been a fan. I think that should be apparent with

how many of his movies I like. Yeah, that is

for sure. As we said, we're not gonna be getting

into what we've been watching in the homework

assignments. We'll save that for when Dan's back.

As far as Blu -ray releases and theater releases,

obviously we had Terminator today, we had the

documentary Amy, we had Magic Mike XXL, and then

for Blu -ray releases, quite a few from this

year actually, Kill Me Three Times, Five Flights

Up, Merchants of Doubt, Maggie, like we've talked

about, so it all fits with Arnold Talk, Woman

and Gold, and Slow West. So we've already seen

Terminator, so we gotta eliminate that. If you

have the choice of seeing the Amy documentary,

it's the only time you can ever see it, seeing

Magic Mike XXL, the only time you're ever gonna

be able to see it, or buying as your only option

ever to buy one of these other films, what are

you gonna do? I'm gonna go see Magic Mike XXL.

That was never in question. I like my man meets.

Man, as for me, I would almost like to do nothing.

on this one. I absolutely have no desire to see

that Amy documentary. I can't stand Amy Winehouse.

I couldn't stand her. I don't want to see anything

about her life. So I would eliminate myself from

that. I don't want to see Magic Mike XXL. I'm

sorry. Doesn't seem like my thing. And I hated

Maggie. I think it's one of the worst films of

2015. I like Slow West. I mean, I'm not raving

about it like everybody else. I don't think it's

top 10 material, but I mean, it's cool. It's

a little Western, Michael Fassbender, a little

artsy, like it was fun, whatever. So I guess

I'll buy that, but it's not a very... I guess

I'll buy that. Hopefully it's in the bargain

bin. from the Walmart bargain bin or $3 in a

disc replay or something. Alright, so we're gonna

talk about a little feedback for the website.

So we hope you guys will continue the comments

there and obviously the next week's question

is all about filling out Arnold's Bottom Three.

So what film, if you already have Batman and

Robin and jingle all the way. What film would

you put as the third? It better not be End of

Days. It should be End of Days. So what is the

third worst Arnold film? And then obviously give

us our feedback on everything. I know a lot of

you are going to disagree with our take on Terminator

Genisys, so we'd be interested to see why. Everyone

hates it, and we will definitely interact on

the website. We'll reply, we'll get into discussions

there, as well as the feedback from the Arnold

Spotlights. So let us know all about that. And

like we teased last week and a little earlier

this week, our next episode, Promise Guys, will

be the half -year wrap -up. So the first half

of 2015, Dan, Amanda, and I will break it down,

what are our best films, our worst films. We

got some fun categories along the way that you

won't have heard on all the other podcasts, so

it's much more than just our top five films for

the year so far. I can actually not guarantee

that because I have been avoiding all those shows

because I don't want my list tainted by other

people's lists. Alright, no taintedness on Amanda's

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