Black Hammer Vol. 1

Hey, Tara Strong here and you're listening to

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the right one. Today I have a very special guest

with me today, an old friend. You've heard him

on Talking in Circles, which is a podcast that

is still going on. We'll have a new episode shortly.

But he is the creator of the very own Comic Concierge

logo. Greg, man, how's it going? Very good, sir.

Very happy to be here with you. Yeah, yeah, it's

definitely, you know, if you listen to RL Poundcast,

you know that, you know, Greg is coming from

a place that he is also a fellow comic book fan.

But I thought we could start there, though, because,

you know, it's also good to get the perspective

of someone who's a comic book fan, especially

when I'll talk about Black Hammer that the book

will be discussing today. What exactly got you

into comics? Like, what was your path to the

world of comics? Well, actually, I live right

next door to this kid that used to be my best

friend. We kind of lost contact through the years

and everything. But when we were little, he was

really into comic books. And so trying to be

cool with him and everything, I also got into

comic books. So I was I was into the comics for

a little bit there. And then I kind of got off

him for a little bit. And then I met up with

you and Chuck. All three of us are the members

of talking in circles podcast And when I got

back with you guys you guys were talking about

comics and stuff and it's kind of got my uh My

interest in comics rekindled and it's kind of

been full tilt since then i'm i'm a bit crazy

with my collection so far It's just because like

we both got back into it around around the same

time back in like Early 2000s to 2003 to 2004

ish, you know It's not a good addiction because

you kind of feed each other off each other a

great deal of that So, yeah, did you get this

one? No, I didn't get that one. Yeah, that's

really good though. Uh, you should try this one.

All right Yeah, yeah, it's interesting and then

you know, I think you and both I have like had

One which one we've been off and come back on

and I think we're we're both on reading different

things but it's also fun when we actually have

the same book. There's a lot of books I think

we both read but then there's some that you read

and I don't and I read that you don't but we

both were big fans of Black Hammer which we'll

be talking about. What was it about Black Hammer

that got your interest? What got you to pick

it up? Actually the one girl that works at the

comic book store that I go to She was very gung

-ho about me reading this. She's like, oh, you'll

really love this. It's really good. Trust me.

You got to read it. You got to read it. Did you

pick it up yet? Come back the next week. Did

you get it yet? Did you get it? I didn't see

a checkout with it last week, so you didn't get

it. So you need to get it this week. And so she

was constantly on my case about it. And it looked

interesting. Like I was thinking about getting

it beforehand because I've been more into More

in the comics but it's not really in the it's

a dark horse comic the dark horse qualifies I

guess it's you know it's one of the bigger yeah

it's it's out of the top two it's out of my world

it's not out of marvel and it's not out of dc

so. I've been kinda getting more into. third

and below publisher comics and Dark Horse has

a lot of good comics out that I really enjoy

especially from the Mignola verse with Hellboy

and BPRD and that kind of stuff so I kind of

trusted them and plus it had good name in Jeff

Lumiere as the writer on it he's done a lot of

good stuff that I've picked up. He is the writer

of Descender from Image Comics, which is a really

good comic that he has out with Dustin Nguyen,

who has beautiful watercolor artwork inside and

everything. And it's a cool little space story.

And then he also was doing this book called Ad

with Scott Snyder. That was really interesting

and Jeff Lemire actually does his own illustrations

in that one I believe he was also doing watercolor

that so it was an interesting little thing to

see his his illustrations in there and everything

Yeah, Jeff Mears done some really good stuff

throughout the years too. So that was another

reason to pick up the book Yeah, and that's so

much so I picked it up because I am like I'm

a huge chef from your fan like honestly, he's

probably He might be my like my favorite writer

in comics right now. One of the first episodes

of The Comics Contreras, we talked about Royal

City. I talked to JD DeRionne about that series,

and I love that series. Very different than this.

Much more of a dramatic series. And you mentioned

The Sender. He's even doing like Bloodshot. I

loved his rough neck original graphic novel that

came out last year. He's doing a lot. He's even

got a new book out today. Yeah, I don't know

how he does it. That's a lot of books. Yeah.

And now he's got a... the terrific's in DC for

DC he's gonna be writing a century series for

marvel it's kind of funny he has like a superman

series for dc and a fantastic four series for

for for sorry yeah other way around superman

series for marvel and the fantastic four series

for dc but he does have a very unique storytelling

ability and like you mentioned he's an artist

as well you know Essex county is like the thing

that really broke him out which have you have

you read Essex county no i thought sweet tooth

was the thing that really Got him going. I thought

that was the big popular thing from him that

kind of got him started I think that came after

if i'm not mistaken and it's like Essex County

was like original graphic novel though So Sweet

Tooth came after I could be wrong, but both of

those were like his two two of his earliest work.

Yeah And when I was at the Baltimore Con, I think

it was last year I got some comics signed by

him and he was signing a lot of Sweet Tooth stuff

So that's why I was kind of figuring that was

one of his first things out. Yeah, it was certainly

one of his earliest works for sure. But speaking

of Black Hammer, I guess we will transition into

that. We'll be talking about the first volume

and actually we'll be talking about the next

volume, the episode after this. But, you know,

looking at the first volume, what were your overall

impressions, overall enjoyment when it came to

it? Overall, it's like a love letter to comic

books and comic books history in general. He

slips in all the neat little references and the

characters themselves are you can see similarities

to other comic characters like he's he's definitely

like Alan Moore with the Watchmen he's taking

characters from other properties and just kind

of change your name change your backstory a little

bit you know who it is and everything so that's

always a cool concept he kind of went back to

the old -school mentality of Team Comics, I think

it started up in the 80s where they were putting

teams together and like, oh, Batman and Superman

together. They're not going to like each other.

They're two different people. And it's kind of

got a situation like that in it without giving

away too much upfront here. He kind of has them

like all these people together in one spot in

kind of like a snow globe situation where like

They're stuck. They're stuck with each other.

Like, what are they gonna do? It's kind of like

one of those crappy TV series with like Survivor

or Big Brother or something. Yeah, reality TV,

but in the superhero genre world. Yeah, and there's

also a lot of great relationships, good and bad,

that kind of come out of it. But yeah, it's a

very interesting... setup that he has going here

of these characters stuck at this farm that are

superheroes, and they can't get away from it.

And you don't understand why they're there. And

it's like he's just constantly giving you like

tidbits of information going, okay, why did that

happen? He keeps you wanting to know more by

keep giving you these little questions. And I

think in the next volume, the next podcast, I'll

be talking about How he can starts to answer

some of those? I think that's where he kind of

starts to answer because he doesn't he just keeps

giving more and more questions in this first

volume What you might mention Alan Moore and

Watchman? I and I can definitely see how there

is a similar almost thesis in a way but deconstruction

or commentary on the genre superheroes, especially

the Silver Age comics and really I think you

mentioned like I would think a lot of Jack Kirby

is like written all over this Oh, yeah, definitely

with the new gods and stuff like that and even

references the Thor it's almost like he took

what Jack or we did from Marvel in DC and like

Combined it into one one universe. Mm -hmm. And

what he's been able to do is he took all the

superhero type of tropes and like boiled them

down to this straightforward human drama It's

all about, to me, like, subverting expectations,

or at least that's where it starts. And then,

like you mentioned, in the second volume, which

we'll get to, it expands upon that. But even

on the first page, you know, this is Black Hammer.

It's a book with, like, all these crazy superheroes

on it. You think, okay, here's a superhero tale.

The first page is just a nine -o -panel grid

of a guy being a farmer. And like, that's all,

you know, it's just, and really just showing

his hand, very much focused on his hands, I think,

to showcase just the aging, the work that he's

doing. And it's just, you know, it's not something

you expect to open up to and like, wow, okay,

well. I guess he's living on a farm. And it makes

sense considering it's Jeff Vermeer because a

lot of his books, like I mentioned, Essex County,

they're small town communities or a huge portion

of them. And he's using that idea within superheroes.

And you make a good point is that these are all

types of people that don't necessarily get along

with each other for different reasons and how

they all kind of relate to the situation that

they're in. Some of them trying to make the best

of it, some of them hating it. And I do like

how we slowly get into the world just in the

first issue from the farming. It starts as like

normal general life. He's just on this farm hanging

out. He's talking to his daughter, but suddenly

his daughter's smoking, where you think it's

his daughter or somebody he's related to. Then

she's smoking a cigarette. You're like, well,

she looks a little young for that. Then she flies

away. You're like, well, that's not what normal

kids do. And then he walks into his, you know,

kitchen and bam, there's a robot cooking breakfast,

an alien at the at the breakfast table and a

dude that's phasing through walls. You're like,

well, all right. Well, that that escalated quickly.

From the first issue and how it brought you into

this world just to let you know like yeah things

are not These are two different types of these

are these are characters who don't belong in

the situation that they do But also let you see

that like abraham that the main character he

fits like he felt he fits within this world And

you can definitely tell that he is falling in

love with this scenario that he's stuck in it's

it's he loves it and that he wishes they could

stay here and that everybody else would love

it just as much as he does mentioned like Reality

TV that the show that it reminded me of that

I didn't watch a lot of my wife watched it and

I got I Experienced it through osmosis, which

I blame the wife. Uh -huh. Oh well, it was lost

where you know, they I did watch lost So it just

reminded me of just the the concept or the format

of storytelling. It's not just boss wasn't the

first one to do it, but it's the one that came

to mind just because they're they're stranded

in this location. They're not sure why it's mysterious.

And then as each the first few issues we get

kind of brought back before they get to the situation,

we get like an origin of each character and how

they got to that point. So that's like it very

much remind me of that because it's like building

off this. This the all these characters showing

them where we come from and I think that might

be by the way You really need to mention to the

the listeners that is much better than lost You're

comparing it to loss, but it is much better than

lost True, I I 100 % agree with that Yeah, I

I feel like there's actually gonna be a legitimate

mystery here that is answered and not just left

hanging But he has some figured out whereas lost

didn't have something figured out Yeah, yeah

very much but looking at you know, these are

very different characters each character is Representing

almost a different genre or storytelling piece

of comics lore, especially in the silver age

Were there certain characters that you found

yourself gravitating towards more so than others

like once you Which ones worked with you the

best? I definitely liked Barb. Just him trying

to kind of keeping things together but then being

a little bit mischievous with things and I liked

his relationship with Gail and them talking to

each other and kind of getting each other through

different things. Abe was just okay to me. He

just seems like the big gruff old guy for the

most part. Colonel weird fits the name. He's

very weird names names a little on the nose But

I guess for that day and age comics if they were

on the nose with quite a few things Yeah, I mean

Captain America Batman. It's you know, they didn't

really name. Yeah. Yeah but Gale and Barb were

definitely my favorites especially seeing a little

girl drinking and smoking cigarettes and cursing

constantly and I felt those were the two that

I felt went through the most ups and downs through

this first volume of the series here so I kind

of felt for them the most and then Talkie walkie,

which I always want to say walkie talkie Killed

me killed me that but he's okay He's just kind

of there and makes sassy comments in the back

So he's probably about my third favorite and

then we don't really see much of Madame Dragonfly

for the first issue or two, I believe She's there

and she's definitely like the the horror comic

character of the bunch Which was an interesting

insert into this Am I missing a character here

Dan? Those are pretty much the main character

at least with within this. Yeah within the superhero

Bunch that we're focusing on and why they got

here Yeah, I think Gail certainly has the most

tragic of all the stories being stuck as a child

and seeing like where she's where she's come

from and the fact that she was where where she

was in her life and how she's kind of thrown

back into this world and not wanting to be there

and having to deal with the fact that You know,

she's she gets forced to go to school and like

not rebelling against that And it does make me

wonder though like if they've been there ten

years and she's been to school at least a couple

times but yeah, I'm wondering like You're not

aging quite. Well, but I maybe like she didn't

go first to school for this for some time or

what have you because we didn't mention that

they're In this world, they don't know why uh,

they know that they can't leave because if they

do something awful will happen and And they're

just trying to make it's revealed much later

in the you know, it's called black hammer But

we learned very much later what that actually

why it's called black hammer Yeah, I don't know

why but I I seem to gravitate more to abraham

slam again all these characters are tragic and

tragic It's a jeff from the mayor book. There's

there's always a element of sadness to everything

He's set up very much like a you know, captain

america Character maybe that's why because Captain

America is like my favorite character, but I

guess like seeing him just trying to make it

work and like him finding himself and he is probably

the most consistent character like his journey

is is the opposite of everyone else where he's

maintaining or attempting to maintain where everyone

else is just trying to Find some sort of piece

or being able to come to terms with things where

he's trying to push them along but the you know,

the idea of that aging hero that just he Not

find the success that he once had or it was over

the hill, but now he doesn't have to worry about

that In his love affair. I do think though. He's

probably linked to the worst character, which

I thought you know the the cop the His current

lover's ex -husband. He was a little I don't

know He fell a little over the top the one a

little bit one -dimensional for a story. That's

doesn't have a lot Yeah, but he definitely filled

his role being a complete asshole Exactly. It

does make you wonder though as we're learning

about I think there's a point to some of those

characters that will that you know, it's it's

hard to it's hard to judge but barb though is

his character has so many layers to it right

like he's this alien who is trying to be a human

who is also Homosexual, I guess in a way. I don't

know how you would describe it because he's not

really a man But he's attracted to men and he

is has the form of a man. So I guess in a way

that you know, but Trying to then have this relationship

with with a priest this priest who feels shares

the same way like I felt so bad for Barb with

that like the priest was kind of leading them

on a little little bit I felt like yeah clearly

like that stand in for like the more more of

the man man hunter or Martian Martian man hunter

that's Yeah, I was thinking Marvin the Martian

of the looney tune and no though the day they

did have a comic comic last year together Which

was kind of fun But like it was a good cavalcade

of characters each with like everyone felt complete

Maybe like you mentioned dragonfly. She was just

looming presence in the background and I think

Purposely so because I think she clearly knows

more about what's going on then yeah her and

weird definitely know more about what's going

on than anybody else Yeah, did that you know

sometimes having a mystery like that linger in

the background when you don't know What what

is water where this is going your enjoyment factor

that increases that in fact impacted at all?

It just kind of made me feel like I wanted to

read on to find out what these two know. I wasn't

a fan, really, of either of the characters. I

liked Madame Dragonfly's backstory more than

Weird's, but uh... Weird is just a little bit

too all over the place for me. And so he just

makes me angry. But then he's also playing the

part of making me read on to find out what he

knows, kind of. And his whole thing is just bizarre

of him. And what's the name of this? The Parazon.

And going through and it's very 70s trippy. Scenarios

he's running through. Yeah, you just have what

I think one of the one of the better moments

in this first volume where you see him able to

get back to some sort of normalcy for that dinner

they have and which actually plays into the fact

that this is a superhero story characters from

different worlds different dimensions magical

powers and Ultimately, one of the you know, the

the biggest set pieces is them sitting down to

have dinner like you know what I mean? Like yeah,

it's a traditional superhero story done in an

untraditional way Yeah, you kind of flip -flop

between origin stories and them dealing with

their new situation in more of a humdrum environment,

but that's still interesting and intriguing because

you want to know why they're there, how they're

going to get out, and all the questions that

Jeff Lemire brings to it. Yeah, and that's kind

of what works about it is... putting people that

are not in normal everyday situations in everyday

situations and making that what they have to

deal with adds a lot to it. And I thought I'd

ask you this question because your artistic abilities

well above mine, but in general, how did you

think the art worked for this book? It fit in

the fact that it played to the more more sit

-down more of the current situation where they're

trapped in this more environment that we're all

you more used to work relate to Superheroes it

didn't really fit the style of a normal superhero

comic It was a little bit more cartoony kind

of folksy style. I would say But it wasn't bad.

It's not my type of style that's being drawn

here and it does kind of look similar to Jeff

Lemire's style as well, which I found interesting

with, once again, I'm going to call it folksy

style. Somebody probably hates that, but I found

it to be a folksy kind of folk art kind of style

to it. I don't know why I do. It just seems that

way to me. And I like the coloring. That also

kind of goes towards a water coloring. kind of

technique it looked like. But yeah, overall,

it served the story. It's not given me any more

to get me interested in the book. It's just kind

of there to do what it does and it does it all

right. It does the job. But I think there's other

illustrators out there that I probably like more

on it, but I think it's just a style thing and

nothing against. I believe the illustrator is

Dean Wormstrom. Nothing against him at all. He's

very capable and he's doing a great job of telling

a story. You mentioned a little more cut mark

more cartoon especially with like the flashback

sequences of like Of you know back when they're

in spiral city Do you think though that that

was that was purposeful since they they were

going to try to replicate some of the classic?

Vision of that day. I don't think he was really

replicating any style from back in the day. I

think for like Madame Dragonfly, I think the

way they set that one up with the story and having

her talk to the readers, because that's what

they used to do in like those scary horror comics

back in the day of having a scary person narrate

kind of to you and everything and setting that

up in. just regular caption boxes and everything.

I think that kind of set up more of the ambiance

of a horror comic more than the art did itself.

Saying that, I do think Madame Dragonfly was

the one that looked more towards the genre of

comic that they were going for than any of the

other ones. But otherwise, I really didn't notice

too much of a change from Art style to genre

that they were talking about in each issue interesting

I kind of felt like they're there especially

when you had some of the flashbacks to like for

example Even just in the in the coloring from

like the way they would draw a spiral city. It's

not drastically different, but just the presentation

of it color wise, the general look of the characters.

For me, as an outsider looking in, I got the

sense of feeling like I was looking at something

that was, I wouldn't say Kirby -esque, because

it's not drawn like a Kirby painting, but has

the same type of... over larger than life look

the anti -gods character design kind of came

across as very curvy -esque but other than that

it was if i think if they wanted to do stylistically

different for each kind of genre i think they

definitely could have done what i i don't like

what they do in comics but i think it would work

here of getting different artists to do different

sections kind of the book and have it where more

fit was more fitting to what they do and what

the style is needed for the book. But Ormstrom

did all right. I think you could have had him

for just like the normal sit down where they're

stuck in their prison of this town. Yeah, when

I was reading Jeff Lemire's letter in the back,

he was talking about why he chose him as the

artist for this and he mentioned that a big reason

why is he didn't want the traditional look or

style to get with a normal comic because he thought

it wouldn't work as the story he was trying to

tell by keeping it out of the norm it becomes

more of an effective tale because it as these

are characters that are out of place or these

are characters who are you know or superheroes

in a normal world if you were this is me inferencing

based upon just a little paragraph that he that

he put if you then design it like a normal comic

book, it doesn't necessarily have that effect.

It just looks like general heroes in their normal,

Marvel, DC universe. But I can see what you're

saying. It's not like it drastically changes

when we're doing the different origins overall

that genre -wise. It doesn't feel like a different

genre each time. But there's a clear separation

between Spiral City and the other town that they're

in. Were there anything else any other key points

you wanted to bring up regarding the first volume

of Black Hammer? Let me look through my notes

here real quick See I write terrible notes. I'm

have like I like the relationship between Gail

and Barb That was that was man. That was also

again another, you know tragic element where

You have Gail. It's just like she just can't

win. You know now she can't She can't at all

everywhere she was going but that I believe it

was still in the first volume where he Barb kind

of saves her from herself had calms her down

kind of with the whole relationship thing and

you know a freaking Barb wasn't even like didn't

even fit in on his own home planet of Mars like

a guy he just cannot fit in anywhere at all I

just feel bad for him I think it's a hem, at

least. And when I started reading the books,

Becky asked me, what gender do you think each

character is? And I think I actually did quite

well, except for Takiwaki. And I think they reveal

that Takiwaki kind of has a thing for Colonel

Weird. I believe that's in the first volume.

Did you know what Weird's correlation is with

normal comics? Because I didn't get, like, with

Gail as Shazam, Barb as Martian Manhunter. Or

like, I guess not Flash Gordon, but like that

type of character, you know. Yeah, kind of in

that that that genre. But yeah, I think that's

it. I think that's all I really had because the

rest is just, oh, what did you think of the I

really liked I didn't like the character, but

I thought, madam. Dragonflies origin was the

best one of them with her but creating and falling

in love with the Swamp thing kind of character

that she created and I was wondering your if

you like that Particular issue or not. Yeah,

I did. I don't know if was my favorite of all

the different origins I don't know which one

mine would be it might be Barb's just because

of it's hard to say but I did I did like that

idea in how She's probably as a character the

one that you're unsure about the most because

there She could easily be the main villain behind

all this in a way. But yeah, that was probably

just looking at Things that came about that were

most unexpected you know her falling in love

with the person that was trying to kill her that

she more you know that she ended up like nearly

destroying well she that guy wasn't trying to

kill her he was trying to get the other guy that

was trying to kill her away and he just kind

of got. caught in the crossfire and it was an

unfortunate thing but they found love and I thought

that was kind of a sweet thing to and sweet and

unexpected thing to find in what you expect it

to be a issue about a horror comic yeah and I

think that origin too makes you there's a Big

piece of her story that is, you know, you just

get in a couple panels. You see that like she

herself had some horrific tragedy happened to

her and indicates it's a story for a different

day, which makes me wonder if that's relating

to what exactly is going on with everything.

But because it just, you know, there's a small

glimpse of her at a grave stone. and uh and then

it goes from there so yeah it's interesting that

my two least favorite characters seem to be the

ones with the most to reveal to tell what's going

on with this story problem that maybe because

in a way where the other ones are more the other

characters are their their stories are far more

based upon like emotion and like their emotional

journey grounded journey though theirs aren't

as they're not as grounded or become as grounded

as the other characters because they're still

in their own worlds they really haven't assimilated

yeah he still has the para zone and she still

has that little cabin yeah they're still within

their own Different universe. So in looking at

this knowing this is the comic about comics Do

you do you get any sense of within this first

volume? What Jeff Lemire maybe is he do you think

he's trying to say anything about comics in general?

Is there any type of you know, not criticism

but anything in like on a meta level or Al Gorka

level Do you think he's trying to say about comics

or do you think it's more so just utilizing commentary

or deconstructing? The common tropes that we've

seen in comics are known of comics in the past

I think it's it's A lot of different stuff going

on here. I do think it's a love letter to comics

and because he's in the comic industry first

off and he's writing all like these historical

like parts of it and yes he's breaking tropes

on some of them but then he's also like kind

of retelling the history and everything in it

so that for you to tell a history of it you gotta

love it so i i think there's the that uh him

breaking down tropes i feel like it is very like

alan more watchman about how he changed the world

of the comic industry with watchman i feel like

Jeff Lemire is kind of trying to do the same

here. So I don't you could probably make inferences

of Like the same thing that was going on with

Alan Moore is kind of going on here with Jeff

Lemire as well Yeah, I think certainly with with

watch when it was Taking that idea of a hero

and saying like how horrible it would actually

be if this type of thing happened and how broken

these people would need to be in order to In

order to do what they do, but I think in a way

what Jeff of mirror is doing I think he's doing

something similar where obviously these characters

are broken, but they're far more likeable and

they're not as Nihilistic it's a lack of this

ism in a way and there's a little bit more earnestness

to it where these are characters who are doing

or choosing to be heroes for Genuine reasons

it for the most part but in order to feel some

void that is There is some someplace else whether

it would be you know, they're they're not they've

always felt like they were Lesser than like,

you know Abraham's slam like He was always the

kid who he couldn't fight for his country because

he wasn't good enough. So now he's been trying

to make up for that. Or if you're lost in the

world and like you said, you never fit in and

you can't find anywhere to fit in. And being

a hero is the only place where you can be who

you are and not be ashamed of it. Or if you're

just a little girl and being given this power

that you feel is some sort of gift or something

of that nature. So I think that I don't know

for sure if watchmen was at all, but it almost

like it's an answer to watchmen And I think there's

a line in that barb says in the beginning about

gail asked him Do you miss it? And he says like

miss it like like an old friend where even if

you got back together You wouldn't know what

it's like anymore just because it's been so long

and I think that's he's saying that a lot about

comics in the sense of comics of Gone gotten

so far away from a lot of what they used to be

Really since that era that like you wouldn't

even know what it would look like anymore if

they even attempted to To get at that and I think

he's answering that with this series in a way

showing you that you can get to those type of

stories in your own way well you because I think

really since Watchmen we've had a lot of comics

that are stuck in the dark and gritty and like

realistic manner and this is obviously is built

within realism but it really separates those

two where you have where you see what you have

the more classic universe and then the the realistic

universe where all the superhero power things

are taken away so I think yeah like you mentioned

there's a lot going on here I think you and you

know this is obviously the only the first volume

but certainly I think there is his love letter

to comics or like his thought process of where

comics are at I think you're certainly bleeding

through the pages Yeah, and he definitely leaves

us with a lot more questions than that, especially

at the end here of issue six with why did Lady

Dragonfly erase Lucy's memories? What does she

have to hide? But Lucy just showing up in general

I thought was interesting and I'll talk more

about in the next episode, but I really like

Lucy Weber's character coming in and everything.

Yeah, yeah that really it's a good way to end

it right it completely not reshuffles the deck

and it's like, okay Well this world that's barely

established and now is got an own completely

new factor to it. So yeah All right, well, let's

bring this episode to a close. So, Greg, if people

want to get in contact with you, look at, you

mentioned that you're working, you yourself do

some art. You can check it out on Instagram.

It's the best way to follow you. On Twitter,

I'm at the create forge on Instagram. It's just

my name, Greg Bepler. If you don't know how to

spell that, I'm sure Dan will have it somewhere

on the page. And, uh, yeah, I think that's all

you could really follow me on for the most part.

It's simple. It's straightforward. So, yeah.

Yeah, that's right. If you've read Black Hammer,

and if you enjoy it, there's a lot of ways, you

know, let us know, get in contact with the show.

You can email, uh, best way to email would be

movierevolt at decafradio .com. I'm on Twitter

at movierevolt. decafradio also has a Facebook

page. I'm on Instagram too at movierevolt. So

all those... great ways to get in contact with

us. I'd like to get some more interaction. If

you are listening, you know, this is a very early

podcast. We're in the early stages here, so the

more you can share, the more you can rate us

on iTunes, share the podcast with people that

like comics. Let us know what you think so far.

It'd be really helpful just to get the ship going.

Huge thank you to Greg, because he put a lot

of work in. The awesome Comic Concierge logo

was all him. He did all that great work, and

I get the benefit from it, so thanks, Ben. Thank

you. Thank you for having me. Alrighty. Well,

thank you for everyone for joining us this week.

Remember, comics are for everyone. The key is

finding the right one. Until then, thanks for

listening.