Origins of Rodimus Primal on Transformers Origins

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we get the origins of any and all Transformers

fans that we can. I'm of course TF2 and Mike

and today's guest is none other than the one

true leader of the Autobots, the one true bearer

of the Matrix, it's Rodimus Primal. Hello sir.

How you doing? Pretty good, pretty good. We're

gonna transform and transcend here and all things

transformers with the 26 origins questions Did

you grow up with transformers? And at what age

do you remember first noticing the franchise?

Ah See, I mean 84 I was a youngin You know But

I do remember vividly the first thing that I

remember about transformers Was the episode countdown

to extinction when it aired and then of course

got the toys So that's when I, how old was I

then? Because I was born in 81. I was three years

old and yet I remember it. It's one of my earliest

memories and I was still living in New York at

the time. Yeah, I was four at the time and what

I remember most is, and I'm not even a big fan

of the characters, they're okay, nothing wrong

with them. I remember all of the Insecticon episodes

because every video store we would go to would

have the Insecticon episode VHS tapes. I also

had the FHE cassettes. Family home entertainment,

yeah. For Transport to Oblivion, Fire on the

Mountain, War of the Dinobots and Countdown to

Extinction. So those four episodes I will literally

watched Tons of times so like so many times it

was it was ridiculous. So Absolutely. Mm -hmm.

What transformers generation is your generation

and why? G1 Because I I mean you could say I

you could say because I grew up with it Because

I but I love foundations You know, I love the

foundations of a franchise like if you were to

ask me You know what Star Wars is my generation

would be original trilogy if you were to ask

me What what Batman is is your Batman? Like I

would I would go so far as to even say that like

I like going back and reading the old like 30

stuff just to you know, see where it all started

where it all began and then of course I maybe

even with Batman I would probably say like there

after the Christ and infinite earths storyline

Because then they they change stuff, but like

I like the foundations of stuff I like seeing

where where where the beginnings of a franchise

are so and then Beast Wars Beast Wars am I? G1

and Beast Wars are like my two, you know So besides

Beast Wars, what other generations do you like?

I like animated. I like prime. Mm -hmm I Think

animated it to me edges out prime In as far as

like which one I like better But Like cuz like

the prop but the problem I have with each of

them is that what they what they both play themselves

either you know prime is almost too serious and

animated is too Goofy goofy. Yeah But both are

good. Like it's not like saying like oh, yeah

Whenever whenever you're sitting there trying

to say like you like something or don't like

something it's just like you're you you you hate

it like no like here is Like here are the things

that I like about it and don't like about it

Like that's that's why that they're numbered

that I would vet put them at number two and three

like number three and four Yeah, and then I guess

you could probably say Hmm like the more modern

stuff. It's like it's tough. Yeah, like Because

the the problem okay animated had three seasons

prime had three seasons three seasons beast kind

of said yeah And well beast wars you could say

the whole beast arrow is was well true technically

I mean because I am one of those people that

I don't separate beast machines and beast wars

It's all this it's not the same tone in beast

machines, but it's the same It's the evolution

of the characters and I will defend this to my

dying breath when we interviewed Ian James Corlett.

Before we interviewed him, I took one audio clip

from each of Cheetor's growth and put it all

together. The dude, he grows up. He's basically

the Hot Rod of Beast Wars, except for the fact

that everybody likes him versus everybody assumes

that Hot Rod pulled the trigger on the gun, which

he didn't. Megatron did. Yeah. You and I are

on the same page with that hot rod did not kill

optimus prime. That's true I mean you think about

if you want it if you want to put it into a you

know a situation is is imagine being a you know,

imagine your You know your wife is you know comes

into a room and you have a burglar in your house,

dead to rights. You have a gun pointed at him,

but you don't see that he's about to reach for

his gun. Your wife sees that he's about to reach

for the gun and then jumps in, but your wife

gets overpowered. Are you gonna sit there and

say that your wife killed you? No. No, of course

not. But people ... Like your wife was trying

to stop that that burglar from killing you, you

know, she failed you know And that's that's using

that as an example. So yeah, and I am very happy

that Karen indulged me When we did was it is

it did they do they did the 35th anniversary

back in theaters thing, right this year? We went

to it. We went to my wife and I went to it too.

Yeah, we went to one of them and we went on the

Tuesday night and when we went Literally my wife

Lie right after the movie He didn't do anything

wrong. He didn't do anything wrong. Like like

she literally said it like six times. Yeah during

that whole incident, so Do you like? Or loathe

the Bayverse, or are you indifferent to it? I

seriously dislike it. Yeah, I seriously dislike

the Bay films. Don't have a hatred for fans that

love it. Like, I understand why someone, like,

this is something new for them, so like, oh,

this is cool, it's Transformers, like, these

are, you know, robots battling each other, but...

My appreciation for the rest of the franchise

and and everything that it stands for is Why

one of the main reasons I dislike the Bayverse?

also the continuity the storytelling the sex

jokes the the robot designs that don't look like

the characters. I mean, every single version

of Starscream outside of the Bayverse looks like

Starscream. You know, every single version of

Megatron, well, I mean, you could say Armada

maybe, but still looks like Megatron. Not in

Bayverse, though. It doesn't look like Megatron.

I prefer my robots to have their insides on the

inside, not the outside. Right. Right. I mean,

the thing is that people really enjoy those robot

designs. And if you think it's cool, fine, cool,

whatever. But I just don't care for it. I just

don't. And also, Michael Bay's own personal disdain

for the franchise. Yeah, obviously me the wrong

way in such a like why would you do five films?

If you hate the franchise that much Why would

you still put and you know? Why would you sit

there and travel to Machu Picchu during? For

the filming of rise of the beasts if you hate

the franchise so much and you sit there and say

that what the fans like is lame Yeah, that's

uh, he said it in an interview. Yeah, I know

I know it's he wants the money that it makes

because I don't care what anyone says about the,

the, the films that have happened to this point.

We don't know what's going to go on with rise

of the beast. Tell rise of the beast is delayed

at this point until 2022, 2023 now. Um, but you

know, I gotta say the sound design in those movies

and just what they did for the franchise. Like

without those movies. That we wouldn't get I

don't think truly you compare transformers to

masters the universe Here's here's my argument

against that. Okay The movie the transformers

as a property Mm -hmm was successful enough to

make a movie at the time period so the fact that

they were making a movie Was going to be successful

no matter what? So, if they had gotten a director

who was a good director and made a movie that

really followed the franchise's origins and foundations

to give us a good adaptation maybe covered more

from the cartoon and the comics combined and

gave you that same story that the original show

and comic books did to give us that foundation

of Transformers instead of giving us what we

got in that first Michael Bay film. I think it

would have just been just as successful. Because

it was the fact that it was a big budget blockbuster

film. It was with a Steven Spielberg name already

attached to it. Already had all these vehicles

and cars and stuff like that. It's one thing

to change the alternate modes. That's the other

thing. It's one thing to change the alternate

modes. It's the robot designs and the robots

being the stars of the show But also the film

wasn't wasn't even originally written to be a

transformers film was originally written to be

a GI Joe film which is why Lennox and and uh

absent and Lennox or whatever are You know not

duke and roadblock um, but The the thing is is

that I think the movie would have been successful

regardless because the franchise was already

hot because of the unicorn trilogy The unicorn

trilogy was really hot. It was coming off the

heels of that You know because energon was really

successful our motto was successful Cybertron

was successful as a toy line You know it got

a whole bunch of people back after after the

you know Say what you will about beast machines,

but beast machines Kind of hurt the franchise

in a lot of ways And because it was, you know,

as far as toy sales is concerned, robots in disguise

comes back and brings cars and trucks back. And

they're like, oh, wow, this is really cool. And

then Armada just created a whole new generation

of Transformers fans. So by the time of 2007,

they're coming in and going, OK, I want to see

more live action film. Yeah, I'm all about it.

And that's why I say that no matter what, that

first movie was going to be successful. the marketing,

whatever, even the robots and stuff like that,

and the fact that they got Peter Collin to do

Optimus Prime, I think the movie would have been

successful, regardless, however they would have

chosen to do it. The thing is that also at the

time, Hollywood was known for always wanting

to hard change, make real adaptations because

it was the 2000s. You know think about think

about all the different live -action adaptations

that they did the time you had x -men You know

spider -man you could make look like spider -man,

but x -men. No, they're really corny in those

outfits. Let's put them in black leather Let's

not go out in yellow spandex blade which To Wesley

Snipes credit. He was amazing in that role. Yeah

Was very different than the comics that he had

originated from Who else all those different

superheroes that had come out they done was was

the first did Batman Begins had already come

out by the time that they started development

of Transformers to your you know, Batman Begins

was some time released sometime in 2005 I don't

know exactly right and they started production

of Transformers in 2005 I think I think I so

I think they started production in 2005 So it

was already that realism feel, you know to to

make everything real And that's what they were

going for with Transformers. So that's what we

got. Yeah, I mean, I said this, you don't know

this, but the audience does. I've said this on

Every Origins recently. Look, what bothers me

about those films is the writing and how they

use characters. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I make the joke

about, oh, I don't want my robots insides on

the outside kind of thing, because that's a comment

on the design of it. All in all, it's not the

worst thing in Transformers history. Oh, yeah.

It really isn't. I mean, there are worse things.

There are worse things in Transformers. Yes.

Yes. Yeah. It gave us Autobots versus Decepticons.

It gave us a big big budget action sequence at

the end. It gave us Optimus fighting Megatron

and having a speech with each other. It gave

us Bumblebee and a boy Witwicky. And the reason

why I say that is because of Spike and Buster

being two different names. You know, it gave

us all that, right? So that stuff was at least

inserted into it enough to give us at least something

coherent. And while I love the actor that plays

Sam's dad, I don't remember what his name is

off the top of my head. You know who I'm talking

about. He was also in Small Soldiers as the father,

and I like that guy as an actor. I just hate.

How Michael Bay and the writers use the human

other than Lennox and and an app sorry is it?

Those two the other written. Yes, they were written

is Duke and roadblock is Duke and roadblock Yeah,

so they were that's what they were original design

was that they were supposed to make a GI Joe

film Yeah, and it that's why you like those characters

is because they're written properly to be Duke

and roadblock not as Duke and Roadblock. The

rest of it was written, it almost seems to be

inserted because, okay, we have to include Transformers.

What's really the heart of Transformers? Oh,

Bumblebee and his car, you know, Bumblebee and

his car, like that was Spielberg's insert. So

Sam and Bumblebee, which is a good insert, you

know, because it gave us the relationship between

them. That's why that first film has got that

that bump that very Spielberg touch to it. Yeah,

it does and I will say that another reason why

I do enjoy parts of that first film is because

It was I believe again without looking up the

information and I know I could just reach for

my phone But I'm not going to I believe that

was one of Bernie Mac's final performances before

he died and he knocked it out of the Oh, yeah,

he was hilarious. Oh, yeah. I absolutely Bernie's

awesome. What was your very first Transformers

toy as a kid? Bumblebee Cliffjumper and Starscream.

Really? Yep. Interesting. This is I always have

to preface this one because it's it's so silly

and stupid. It's just something I used to do.

Did you and your friends ever pretend to play

Transformers at, say, school recess or something?

And by this, I mean, you're not playing with

the actual toys, but you are saying it's basically

live action role play. But we never actually

called it. It was just pretend back then. Like,

I want to pretend to be Hot Rod. You're going

to pretend to be Galvatron. You know, we did.

There was a couple of kids that on the playground

back in the day we did. Sometimes we brought

the Transformers to school. We knew better not

to get them broken because sometimes that would

happen. You know, especially with Megatron. Oh,

yes. Yeah. Because yeah, if you were here's the

thing, you bring Megatron to a playground. Dude,

you were the cool kid on the playground. You

have a toy gun on the playground. That thing

was cool. That actually looks and feels like

a real, I remember having Megatron and I'm like,

yeah, I can't take this to school because damn

that toy. The thing is that when you were on

the playground, yeah, you were allowed to play

with toy guns and stuff. Sure, you had the teachers

who were like, you're not supposed to play with

toy guns. It's like, you can't tell us you can't

play with toy guns. What are you going to do

about it? Well, I'll just Like like you would

get those people who would be like that's but

when you were a kid and the kids would just eat

it up man They oh, yeah, it was just that was

a coolest thing to play with on the playground

was Megatron you know and you know, but yeah,

we would play sometimes because the the biggest

thing we wanted to figure out was if there was

a way to To bring certain characters back from

the dead not just Optimus Prime, especially transfer

Transformers the movie. Yeah, you know is to

bring characters back from the dead and you know

Having ultra Magnus, you know try to find the

crypt where the where the Autobots bodies are

Larry, you know Buried or something like that

and you know rot Rodimus is on a mission to stop

Galvatron from destroying the crypt or something

Like it would it would be like adventures like

that. So Yeah, yeah, absolutely Who is your end

all be all favorite character from any transformers

incarnation? You can pick for one Decepticon

one Autobot one maximal one Predacon All right,

so Autobot is easy G1 Rodimus Prime Decepticon

Oh, it's tough. I really love Galvatron and it's

like like, you know G1 Movie and cartoon Galvatron.

Mm -hmm Unicron my master With this I shall make

you my slave Which is kind of tied with the Marvel

UK Galvatron 2, but I think I would probably

edge out the cartoon because I love that edge

of him being like psycho enough to literally

beat the crap out of his own troops, but so powerful

that you sound predictable. Maximal... It's tied

between Silverbolt and Depth Charge. I love those

two characters. When Dinobot, like it's like,

oh man, then saying Dinobot too. Cause like you

can't like not say Dinobot. Dinobot, Silverbolt,

Depth Charge. How can I pick between those three?

Now you're making it hard. I'm gonna probably

edge out cuz I'm gonna I'm gonna go with silverbolt

on that one And then for Predacon Megatron just

because he's the most intelligent Megatron he

actually really went to set out his goals and

did what he did and to For the past, for what

it was, so definitely Megatron. So let's cut

through the signal noise, shall we? What are

some other Transformers characters you like?

Let's see. Let me look at my shelf behind me.

Skyfire? Love G1 Skyfire? I'm too darn big to

sneak around like this. Skywarp? From the Decepticon,

I mean obviously the Decepticon's definitely

a big Skywarp guy. Watch it you metallic mini

-meatball or I'll step on ya! Probably say he's

my favorite seeker. What a frenzy! Geekworks

made for a geek! Like you! Loved Inferno from

Beast Wars. Yes, my queen. You know, Waspinator.

God, I wish you would stop calling me that. Yeah.

Loved, you know, Thunderwing from the Marvel

comics, like... beating the crap out of Optimus

with the Matrix. Who else? I mean, Bludgeon was

a badass, you know, pretender too, but Grimlock,

Grimlock definitely, love Grimlock. And Slag,

Grimlock and Slag, out of the Dinobots. You know,

then if we were to switch over to some other,

you know, continuities, You know robots in disguise.

I loved scourge in 2001 robots in disguise. I

love that that design that mold Brave Maximus

was just awesome. I loved that the color scheme

on him for some reason was just different from

Fortress Maximus, but it was the same toy. Yeah

and You know, which is kind of funny because

usually I'm not a big city bot guy Um, cause

it's just, it's the base, right? Um, and then,

you know, combiners, I loved the defense or as

far as a combiner, um, you know, I would say,

uh, rail racer was kind of neat, like to have

like a three train bot combiner and robots in

disguise. Yeah, that was the one thing about

robots in disguise that I absolutely loved was,

was the, what was the three trains midnight express.

midnight express rail spike and Merge into rail

racer was midnight spike and I'm just it's drawn

blank on me right now. Yeah, I'm gonna look it

up. Anyway more characters You know transformers

prime I would say Let's see a rapid run wrapped

around the zero one rapid run. That's right And

I'm just trying to think like the like then he

had the Unicron trilogy of characters There were

so many characters in there in the Unicron trilogy

that were so different and a lot of them were

nameslaps So it's like it's hard to pick, you

know with them because it's like okay Well, then

it's like do you like that interpretation of

a character? I mean, I know a lot of people really

love Armada Starscream, but It's kind of hard

to say Cybertron Like that's the thing like some

of the characters I don't feel like stood out

to me as much in the Unicron trilogy that you

would think Whereas in animated I loved the idea

of a Decepticon female seeker out of out of slipstream.

I loved lug nut You know that blitzwing that

they did was really cool You know, it's like

it's weird cuz like all the Decepticons in animated

were given such like crazy personalities that

I really really enjoyed a lot of them and You

know because it's just the way that they worked

You know lug nut Lug nut was I really want a

new lug nut figure and a slipstream figure out

of that Oh demolisher out of Armada. Yes, but

definitely definitely demolish right of Armada

In Transformers Prime Iraq, I mean I liked arachnid

as a villainous I gotta look at your souvenir

case. You mean my trophies. I collect endangered

species. Of course, they aren't really endangered

until they meet me. And bulkhead out of that

series. I like Prime's bulkhead better than animated's

bulkhead. Did you just scream like a little girl?

No. Maybe. You are headed for the equator. I'll

prep for tropical weather. Wrecker style. Hands

down, easily, yeah. But I know some people really

love the animated version. I like the animated

vehicle better than Armada. Or not, Prime. Prime,

yeah. Too many continuities. Yeah, there's 40

years of them, yep. And then if we switch over

to Robots in Disguise, I like the Drift in 2015's

Robots in Disguise. I like that Drift. Yeah,

that was cool. That was different. That was interesting.

Yeah. Because to me, Drift was the character

from the comics, from IDW, and it wasn't like...

So when he showed up in the 2015 RID cartoon,

I'm like, wait, that's not the one from the comics,

but hey, look, it's really cool. He is sort of

a samurai. He is sort of this, sort of that.

So it was really cool that they did it with a

slightly different design. And I love the fact

that we can say that Eric Matthews was both Batman

and Bumblebee. Yes, yes, I met him Eric I met

him in a New York Comic -Con. He was a really

cool dude. Yeah, yeah Are there any good I was

just trying to think about some other characters

specifically as I'm going through the the different

continuities now because now they they added

that the She already showed up. I think in in

in the BotCon comics, but I think what was it

shadow striker? Mm -hmm was the character's name

in cyber verse the new female decepticon car.

That's an experiment I liked her I thought that

was a pretty cool concept for a new new decepticon

car Yeah, you know, I like and everyone loves

knockout Everyone loves knockout like it's just

he's just it's easy to either love him or hate

him but But he had some of the best lines in

in prime, you know, absolutely Are there any

Transformers characters you hate? I don't like

the idea. It's not so much that I hate the character

I hate the idea of that character using that

name Okay, so but I mean a lot of people really

hate g1 wheelie And it's easy to hate that character

I don't hate that character. I just You know,

yeah, just I don't like the character But if

I was to say like I hate the fact that they name

slapped a lot of characters in Armada and throughout

the unicorn trilogy like smoke screen and and

wheeljack and Same thing in Transformers Prime.

Like I think that they should have used Springer

instead of wheeljack In Transformers Prime, you

know because the two characters are completely

different from what I expecting like I'm expecting

a different character that so to me I don't like

the idea behind name -slapping, but so it's not

all how much I hate the character Yeah, but then

it's how they use the name. Okay, here we go

Netflix Optimus Prime Wow Hate that character

hate everything they did with that character

don't like the growth that they did met that

character Felt that they really ruined him so

much, and they could have done better, and I

don't hate the Netflix series like some other

people do, but man, do I not like that Optimus

Prime. And that is because of the character,

and I would say just the polar opposite is Baver's

Optimus Prime. Which is funny, because it's voiced

by Peter Collins, so it should be good, right?

But that isn't the case. Transformers Prime did

it better. Again, I don't blame any of the talent.

I blame the writers. I blame the direction of

wherever they want, whether it's a movie or a

TV show or whatever. I've said this in the other

episodes that I've done recently for the War

for Cybertron trilogy. It's the voice direction

that was the problem. because I can sit here

and talk to you like this and then all of a sudden

I can get emotional and start talking like that's

the problem because when they wanted Optimus

to show emotion, somebody told Jake Foushee to

go deeper or whatever. And I'm not saying the

kid isn't talented at all. He is. I actually,

if I'm really honest about it, when he's just

talking as Optimus Prime, He's probably my second

favorite behind cullen as optimus prime the truck

Because I just say about neil caplan No, never

have never have I liked that one nope Really?

Nope. Just that's not optimist to me at all What

is it about that optimist that you don't he's

I i'd have to go back and watch it again because

If it's what I think that it is then then it

should be the same thing with Jake Foushee Probably

but I I'd have to go back and it's been so long

since I've since I've watched that I'll have

to go back and check it out, but I just I remember

when I heard Neil Kaplan's version and I'm like

That's not any optimist. I know That's not any

optimist sound alike that I know and I get it

not every version has to be a sound alike and

honestly I don't want every - I love John Bailey's

version. You know, it's crazy because I don't

like, um... Well, it looks like it's just you

and me, Prime. The time for speeches is over,

Galvatron. Let's end our quarrel right here and

right now. Don't act surprised. This is exactly

what you wanted. And I fight you not as the leader

of the Autobots, but as the leader of all Transformers.

What? Well, that's just Prime. Gary Chalk's Optimus,

and not because I don't like him as a voice actor,

like as Prime, specifically Prime. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Because they added this audio filter to

Prime in the Unicron trilogy. that if you listen

to it, it hurts my ears. It has this weird tinge

to it. And so when I hear, it's like it's hearing

Optimus Primal with a weird distorted filter.

It's kind of like how we all know and love Soundwave,

but we all know and love Soundwave knowing that

without that vocoder. it's Dr. Claw, kind of

thing. It's not a bad thing that that's Dr. Claw

underneath Soundwave's vocoder, but with Gary

Chuck as Optimus Prime, from what you're saying,

it's like adding that vocal thing in there ruins

what Gary can do. Yep, yeah. And, you know, I

don't know. Hearing it, I'm just like, ugh. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. It's like grind your teeth. Yeah.

It's not about them. It's about what the producers

want. Never. Never. It's never about - Derek

Falk's an awesome dude. He is. I've met him more

than once. He's an awesome dude. Absolutely.

Over your lifetime, as you got older, did your

interest in the Transformers franchise grow stronger

or get weaker? My journey through Transformers

was Generation 2. Right before Generation 2 came

out, I was really upset that there was no more

Transformers. because going to the toy store,

not finding anything Transformers, I was already

into Nintendo at the time. Generation 2 came

out, got really strong into it for the first

two years. The cartoon had come out, it was all

G1 reruns, which was great because you got to

see the episodes that maybe you might have missed

even in the reruns. And then, for whatever reason,

I didn't collect that last year of Generation

2. and Beast Wars had come out, but I think girls

had my attention. Yeah, exactly. Girls had my

attention. So that was a big strong thing. Then

it's kind of like you have to hide the fact that

you're into this stuff. Back then you had to

really hide because if girls found out that you

were a nerd or you were a geek, you were getting

made fun of because girls would gossip and then

you would get beat up on the playground by the

other guys because In order to impress the girl,

they would beat the crap out of the nerd. That

was just a normal thing, so you had to hide that

fact. Then Beast Wars came out and it took me

until season two to get into it. Then I was hardcore

Beast Wars, hardcore Beast Wars. I never died

ever since then. These words. Yeah beat to me

Beast Wars kept it going The thing that stopped

me from collecting mainline and only collecting

chug was the Bay verse Straight up because I

had I went for completionist out of the unicorn

trilogy then classics came out and then the first

Bay movie came out and I did not like the robot

designs did not like what the toys looked like

and said I'm not buying anything that doesn't

look like the characters that I know and love

anymore. I don't want those characters because

I've had enough. I had my fill. I had Unicron

Trilogy and I have a full set of Unicron Trilogy

toys. So for those of us who are not in the know,

you're the second person that has mentioned Chug.

Explain that please because I don't remember

what the hell it is. Okay, so let's just... I

mean, the basic acronym for Chubb is Classics,

NK, Universe, Generations. And where it came

from was that back in 2005, 2006 -ish, Cybertron

was coming to an end and they needed a line to

fill the shelves until the first Bay movie came

out. Got it. So they made a line of toys that

were basically modernized updates to Generation

1 characters so that the G1 fan who's waiting

for that Bayverse movie to come out can get their

favorite Optimus Prime, but now he's a more modernized,

flat -nosed truck. Bumblebee can't be a Volkswagen

Beetle, so he's a deluxe scale. Mini Cooper,

then he had a tiny astro train a tiny but they

were so stylized but yet in robot mode They were

still kind of that generation one character right

and then then you had The bavers come and Ruby

comes out and animated comes out and those are

all that's all mainline at that time They they

continue in Japan. They they released those toys

with more cartoon accurate colors as Henkei Right

and then universe had come out I think was after

the first Bayverse movie came out and they were

still releasing toys That were you know, right

same line as the classics Yeah, cuz classics

it kind of died off and they wanted to keep going

in the universe 1 .0 and universe 2 .0 and then

ever since then most of it Unless it was a specific

line has been generations ever since they started

generations generations has never Left us yet

because they had now have multiple lines of okay.

It's gonna go in generations or okay It's generations

eventually led into what was the prime wars trilogy

which was right binder wars Titans return and

and Power the primes and then led into the next

trilogy, which is war for Cybertron And now it's

leading into the legacy legacy is replacing all

of those monikers They're no longer calling them.

The trilogy is just calling it legacy And I think

legacy is gonna last until the 40th anniversary

to my understanding at least So they're just

gonna call it transformers legacy and it's gonna

be a continual toy line. Yeah And I wouldn't

be surprised if they did do that. And that's

honestly, that's fine. As long as they keep giving

us stuff like Commander Class Rodimus or like

Leader Class Galvatron, especially. Oh, here's

my here's something else I'll say about about

legacy and about generations. Oh, the war for

Cybertron. They went those first two years with

basically straight generation one. This was the

first time since even classics began back in

2006. That we actually got Generation one characters

that are modernized versions of toys that look

like the generation one characters not even classics

did that back in 2006 not even generations really

did that in 2009 or whatever 2011. Yeah, we never

really got that until now with the War for Cybertron

trilogy. So when everyone says, I'm tired of

G1, I'm tired of needing G1, it's like, but we

never really got G1 until now. Exactly, yeah.

I mean, we've had hints of it. We've had homages.

We've had slight whatever. And I've said for

the longest time, and I've said on every single

ATTF Origins that I've done recently, what I

want right now is a Transformers cartoon. with

whatever voice actors you can get from the original

show. And continue on a season four. Whomever

is still alive. No, not necessarily continue

on, but I want all of those people that are still

alive back, and I want the animation style to

be similar to Revelation. Like that's the animation

style I want on a Transformers cartoon. Alright,

I can kind of see where you would go with that,

yeah. Because you can't directly bring back.

I mean you could directly bring back the original

84 animation, but This is the modern day we need

to Sort of have a model because you know, I know

you've talked about revelation I've talked about

revelation with with Steve Megatron and an optimus

solo and Part two is coming. So there's that

Which Wow? Season 2 is going to be interesting.

I just hope they don't break it anyway. That's

a whole other discussion for another day. Was

there ever a moment in your life when you were

just completely done with Transformers, you walked

away? It was in between Generation 2 and Beast

Wars Season 2. That was, again, girls. And then

I would venture to say Season 2 of Beast Machines.

Because I did not like the designs. I didn't

like the toys. They looked weird. It looked funky

I I just I don't know what it was about that

second seed and beast machines and it's not that

much like again like I don't really But it was

it was also something weird about it that like

just like I want the cars and trucks back and

just I I'm ready to walk away from Transformers

as a whole and I almost did the same thing until

classics showed up when Cybertron ended like

midway through Cybertron I I think I got Galvatron

out of Cybertron and then I was done. I said,

I was like, you know what, I'm really not really

in the mood to collect Transformers. Oh, look

at this. Classics came out, but then Classics

came out and I think somewhere around 2009, I

had gotten engaged. My wife never was telling

me to walk away from Transformers. But I was

ready to stop collecting as a whole basically

stop collecting but I wasn't done with transformers.

I was just kind of like Like I don't need to

collect all these different transformers toys

and I think it was sometime in the round Midway

through titans return and going into power the

primes that I got back into collecting and then

because they were bringing us more stylized,

more generation one -esque robots in the middle

of Titans Return, like out of those mini -bots

that they were doing. Right, right. And then

I just like, I really went heavy into it. And

then War for Cybertron came out and I really,

really leaned heavy into the collecting again.

Yep. So I had my waves, right? Yeah, yeah. But

I wasn't ever walking away. I think that the

time that I fully, fully walked away, Like totally

was that interim between generation 2 and and

that second season of Beast Wars? And that was

just because real -life stuff was you know, yeah,

I mean, you know, you're a teenager you're going

through school you're going through puberty you're

going through all this stuff and Sometimes also

in other franchises at the time too. Yeah, exactly.

There's yeah there's other things that came along

like X -Men and spider -man and Iron Man and

Batman and And all of that kind of stuff. Yeah,

so there was enough there was enough to keep

keep you occupied if you weren't a hardcore Transformers

guy You're already in you know, you're already

in other stuff. So, you know, then you have to

hide the fact you're a nerd In order in order

to it to impress the ladies at the time, which

I'm glad I'm glad none of those ladies ended

up being my permanence With the internet giving

birth to the fans all having a voice about what

they like or don't like about Transformers Do

you find that your voice gets lost in the shuffle

or do you just shout louder? I Think there's

a point where you can be respectful mm -hmm and

and still voice your opinion I Don't think that

name -calling is necessary Mm -hmm when we're

ridiculing a particular series. We're not like

what I could I'm as a hardcore g1 fan If I'm

ridiculing the Bay Bay verse, I am NOT ridiculing

the Bay Formos fan the thing is is that you see

a lot of those g1 fans who they only like 84

through 85 and everything after that is bad like

I don't understand that logic and then you have

the I'm never gonna get into beast wars kind

of kind of fandom and then you have the the I'm

I only like Michael Bay's Transformers or and

then it's uh Well, not everything has to be g1.

You could we need to make everything else besides

g1 for transformers. We need to stop making g1

stuff and it's like No, so there's a lot of there's

a lot of tension between the fans and it seems

to all the the two biggest Fights between transformers

right now at least as far as I can see Mm -hmm

is the g1 Hardcore and the Bayformers hardcore.

Mm -hmm. There just seems to be a more a heart

a hard press against them But I'm starting to

notice that that that there's an overlap between

the base Bay film fans Because they had the last

night which really ruined it for them and the

prime fans those seems to be the a wave of them

that really hates the old. They hate everything

old. They don't like Unicron Trilogy, they don't

like Beast Wars, they don't like G1, they only

like 2007 until present. There seems to be a

very hard divide there. fans need to learn to

come together and enjoy Transformers. I was at

TFCon and there was fans from all over the place.

We were sharing our love of Transformers. There

were 18 -year -old kids there in college. This

is my first TFCon. This is awesome. I'm a big

fan of your channel and watching it, this one

guy, he was just so cool to me. College basketball

player, so he's like six foot. Like seven. Mm

-hmm. Like he's yeah Yeah, actually, I think

he was a little tall. He was tall dude He was

a tall dude and he you know, one of the coolest

guys there Hardcore Bayformers fan Loves g1 and

loves loves watching my channel so we can get

along Yeah, um, the thing is is that there is

there is a divide there is a hard divide and

recognizing our differences and being able to

enjoy together is a good thing. Absolutely. I've

said this for at least the last decade now. And

so I've been saying this before, certain real

life things started happening. All generations

matter. And transformers, yeah. Whether you like

G1, whether you like G2, whether you like Henke,

whether you like whatever you want to like, As

long as you're with people who either like the

same things, or can at least respect that you

like what you like. Even Kiss players? Well,

as of this recording, I did just watch Chris

McFeely's Transformers The Basics on Kiss players.

So there's a hat tip for good old Chris McFeely.

I've only ever heard the name. I had never actually

looked into it. And I'm like, oh, OK, sure. Where's

the story in Power Glide and Kiss Players? That's

what I want to know. They never went there. They

never went there. They never went there. But

I mean, that episode, oh, boy. I didn't want

to know more about Kiss players. I like watching

Chris's stuff. I'm hoping we can get him on here

at one point or another down the line. I've been

wanting to get him on here for a couple of years

now ever since he started The Basics. He just

has a way of presenting the stuff where everybody

can learn about it. Same thing with what you

do, with what you do with your retrospectives.

It's a simple you give your opinion you give

the information and it's entertaining that's

why i do i work i work a lot hard very very hard

to get those retrospectives out and it's for

the same reason that why is he's doing the basics

to so yeah. And it's the same thing because i

mean i'm right now i'm working on a particular

character the problem is is that when the character

span so many generations you have to figure out

how do i. How do you condense it into? Dense

this into a digestible work and that's why some

of my videos got so long is because they some

of these characters you just they're in so much

you really can't not cover their stuff. Yeah,

and then that's the thing you have almost we're

almost at 40 years you have 40 years of history

of this brand and for what you do and for what

Mr. McFeely does You know, I mean it takes time.

It takes time to make those videos. It takes

time. It takes effort It takes you know, like,

you know, you talked about how to condense it

all you have to you know figure out I'm only

gonna spend this much time on the comic version

of the character I'm only gonna do this and then

you have the characters that see these these

episodes seem a lot harder to me the ones that

don't have Lot of things like I don't want to

say Huffer But I'll use him as an example like

Hufferhead is G1 toy but then he may not have

had something until like 2015 or something like

you know, I mean you get a single character like

that that doesn't have the major Optimus Prime

Bumblebee Starscream Megatron, you know what

I mean? Yeah, you know you get a character where

you're like, how can I make this a video? That's

or whatever it is Into you know something that

is going to engage an audience and that's the

other problem Is is that like you you have you

know, if you when you have a character like that,

that's not that that isn't in much You know,

then it's a matter of the character You almost

have to literally tell tell the audience the

character was forgotten about for many years

until X happened until he finally showed up here

You know or they was kind of little sprinkles

of this and then there was this you know or if

there's character that I'm currently working

on a script for right now is You know, I'm sitting

here writing it and you know, the character has

quite a bit of a history But the character also

if I if I go too deep into certain lore It's

gonna take forever and then there's other parts

that it's not in much like so like there's a

lot of skippable stuff Then it's a matter of

okay. Well if I cover this character Do I need

to cover does this about this character and or

or or do I need to? talk about a toy that was

hum and Homage to that character, you know, I

mean like in other words if they did in the Unicron

trilogy that the character had a color scheme

match, you know like To that character and it's

like, you know saying like you have to cover

all of those things and I almost feel that if

you Don't you're not servicing the character,

right? And plus then you have Hasbro coming in

with we have to save trademark and you have multiple

characters with the same name. Oh, that's what

I'm saying. Yeah, that's that's why I'm not a

fan of name slaps. That's why like a character

like Wheeljack where I feel like, you know, the

the ninja the ninja that. turn Decepticon, turn

back Autobot in Armada, and then you end up actually

giving us a Wheeljack in Energon, and it's not

really Wheeljack, it's Downshift, because you

had used the name before on another character,

whereas you could have given us that to be Wheeljack,

and you could say, hey, he changed his look for

the next series, but they didn't. And then they

still give a Wheeljack head to a different green

car in Cybertron, which didn't even show up in

the cartoon. And then in Transformers Prime,

you have Springer dressing up as Wheeljack. I

like Prime Wheeljack. But do you hear what I'm

saying, though, about Springer? In other words,

am I saying, do I hate the character? No. Like,

he's a great character. He's just not Wheeljack.

You know what I'm saying? Like he's not building

stuff. He's not inventing stuff. He's not a crazy

engineer No, he's a loner character. Yeah, he's

a loner. He's a lone wrecker You know searching

the galaxy for for for other adventures. Mm -hmm

What is your personal Transformers anthem song?

You don't have to pick these but examples obviously

are the touch dare, etc Well season 3 opener

I think is just very, very catchy. That along

with the lion theme too for the movie. Why i

love love love love love hunger. Love that song

like just that song is just awesome. I love the

positivity out of dare and the touch I also and

a score one for for the live -action films the

arrival to earth Yep theme that they also used

for the Autobots, which is also a they it seems

that they use the elements of that tune for the

Transformers Prime opener Instead of giving us

a Transformers theme song with the lyrics, they

decided to give us that for the Transformers

Prime intro. Well, and again, Transformers Prime

was in that generation of... It's an overlap

of the movie. It is an overlap of the movie.

It is, but I also feel that, look... There's

another saving grace to the movie verse that

I will never ever, ever say anything negative

about. It's Steve Jablonski and his scores. Oh,

his scores. Yeah, his scores are great. Amazing.

Now you carry that over into prime and you bring

in Mr. Brian Tyler, Mr. Fast and the Furious

himself. And I'm like, OK, what can you do? Show

me what you can do. And oh, man. Yeah, some of

the music that's it like I am still waiting for

them to release season two and season three scores

For that they never have there's only season

one out there and I love listening to the season

one music because it's so good So good. Yeah

I think those those in particular. I know a lot

of people I'm not a big like I'm I don't I don't

I don't get hardcore into it But I know a lot

of people really love the Transformers Cybertron

intro Just because that whole our worlds are

in danger thing. It's almost a meme at this point

But I like animated is a little bit better But

animated doesn't I don't feel like animated had

a score that I can remember the the score of

that the the episodes It does it does it does

Sebastian Evans the second was the composer on

that and the one track that I remember is the

end track Called heroes welcome. It is the final

piece of music as they return to Cybertron Oh

when you hear that like then and then you hear

you hear some of it there, but it's it's it's

it's an overlay of Jim one. Yeah in that right

like it's That was one of the good things about

animated. But what I'm saying is that I don't

remember vividly humming any of the tunes. You

can hum G1's instrumental tunes. Oh, yeah, easily.

Oh, man, like any one of them. When you hear

that, like, yeah, like, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

dun, dun, dun Like that gets stuck in my head

all the time or when you hear even the the season

three music like And you hear that like that

hard like weird like techno beats that they use

and It's like all of season one. I mean all of

g1s music and then the Beast Wars tune That gets

stuck in your head really easy that guitar riff

Beast Wars and Beast Machines need to have soundtrack

score releases, they never have to my knowledge,

but that is the one thing that I want before

I eventually leave this plane of existence at

some point. That's one thing about Transformers,

there's so many good different versions of the

music and then you get in all the Japanese stuff

and all of that and everything else. How often

do you go back and re -watch any of the Transformers

cartoons? And the reason why is because I have

to refresh the memory anyway. I'm going to be

40 years old by the end of this month or the

beginning of next month. So I need to refresh

that memory as things happen. Sometimes you're

writing something and you don't remember it.

So I'm watching this stuff all the time, constantly

going back and watching it, whether it be the

live action films or whether I'm watching the

Prime or animated. I thoroughly enjoy watching

G1 and Beast Wars when I'm going back and watching

it. And I get an enjoyment out of animated and

Prime too, but I end up watching quite a bit

all the time. And same thing with reading the

Marvel comics. I'm sitting there constantly Going

through the the comics and you know trying to

find you know a certain element of a certain

story about a certain character to try to figure

out what what juice I can get out of that and

You know to get the flavor of it So it's in one

way you can say it's work. But in a lot another

way you can say it's it's Me staying connected

to the franchise. So yeah, absolutely. So constantly

would be the answer. Yeah We all love Transformers

comics, which incarnation do you love and why?

As far as comics is concerned. Mm -hmm Marvel

Dreamwave Enough said Alrighty then. Thank you.

Mr. Stanley ghost of mr. Stanley. How big is

your transformers toy collection? Oh Where do

we go? Let's see, I would venture to say everything

that appeared in the G1 cartoon minus 87 stuff,

I have out of actual G1 toys, whether it be a

reissue or an actual G1 figure. Most of Beast

Wars would appear in the cartoon, all of Robots

in Disguise. I went for completionists starting

in 2001 through Robots in Disguise through the

Unicron trilogy. Literal completionists, so even

the minicons and everything. I think I have a

few animated figures. I think I have Soundwave.

No, do I have? No, I only have Soundwave. That's

the only one I have. Because I needed a sound

wave because they weren't releasing sound wave

in classic. So I needed a sound wave Not have

Rodimus and and crystal Rodimus didn't come out.

I mean it didn't well number one didn't show

up in stores in my area like I I often complain

about my the distribution my neighbor in my in

my where I live But yeah, I never ever saw that

toy in the shelf same thing with RC And because

I would have bought that RC figure it had to

come out at the time Um, only movie figures that

we ever bought were Ones that my wife wanted

to buy because it was the female characters.

So we bought the movie one rc. It's still on

card Movie elita one or it was the first movie

elita one, which was just basically the cybertron

or the the energon toy And then basically we

were I was buying a lot of the the classics universe

henkei um stuff and then once man like once Titans

return hit it was like trying to buy as much

as I possibly could so like my collection is

huge I have I would venture to say about ten

bins large gallon, you know large multi -gallon

Containers those big Tupperware order every Tupperware.

Um What do they when you see them in the stores

the Sterilite containers? He like at least ten

of them filled with Transformers figures Um,

so it's hard to gauge how many I actually have

at this point. It's like, it's a lot, it's a

lot. And there's, there are ones that I want

to, I would like to unload. I should have done

a selling party at TFCon. Would have been able

to unload some of the stuff. That's awesome.

That's fine. How do you feel about non -transforming

transformers such as Funcos? Do you want to buy

them? Go ahead and buy them, but not my thing.

All right, what is the one so basically everybody's

safe the wife the kids the pets everybody's safe

But the house is on fire. What's the one Transformers

toy you could never part with ever? What's the

one thing you'd run into save? Right now and

you know this answer. Mm -hmm Kingdom Rodimus.

Absolutely. There's no question That one or brave

Maximus but that would be hard because I have

to grab the whole bin that's got everything else

in it Which includes the Metroplex and the Tripticon

and everything else in that particular bin. That

Brave Maximus is huge. Heavy. That's what she

said. What was the most money you spent on a

Transformers toy or a toy item? On one particular

Transformer, I think Brave Maximus is the most

expensive Transformer I purchased. Actually,

no, because he was $180. or 200. I think so.

I was thinking it was like 200 back in 2003 money.

Brave Maximus was expensive. It was a very expensive

figure. Getting the Japanese Megatron was expensive

too. Those two were very expensive G1 specifically,

you know Japanese G1 Megatron which includes

the it's the full Sword the stock the gun. It's

just like it's just a G1 Megatron with the you

know Yeah, so Those two were the most expensive

Transformers. I think I spent money on you know,

which is this thing is cuz like it's like it's

in those dollars versus now dollars so like yeah,

like $200 then was Expensive yeah was yeah Do

you have a, my parents got rid of my toys story?

My He -Man, Ninja Turtles, and I still have my

X -Men, Spider -Man stuff. But my, yeah, and

my He -Man, my Ninja Turtles, and I'm trying

to remember the other toy lines that... Got lost

in the moves so to speak Yeah, some of the other

toilet the pretty much pretty much transformers

was the one Transformers and x -men spider -man

were like the three main toy lines that survived

the moves You know up until like where my parents

live now and where I live now right If you could

voice any transformers character, who would it

be and why? Thing is is that like as much as

I love Rodimus Prime, I don't think I can do

that character justice I Mean I could do a pretty

decent Megatron or cup Just based on my own voice

I Would like the thing is is that if I was to

voice a Transformers character I would need to

find that characters voice so that I'm performing

it properly. So I That's one of those things

where it's like, I would love to play this character,

but can you really play that character? And you

have to know your own voice. And knowing where

I can go like, well, why don't you sit there

and go over here or something, get the pizza,

or maybe do like an Italian mob boss kind of

guy. It's a me, Mario S. Cup. No, no, no, no.

That's a different. You know, that's a different

Italian, you know kind of thing Let me tell you

something. Okay, you you gotta get over here.

You're gonna try and try and try and rip me off

You're gonna sit here and knock down g1. Let

me tell you something little, you know, i'm i'm

not yeah Like that's the thing like you gotta

try to figure out that character's voice and

then get into it and then You know That's um,

it's hard That's a hard answer. You're giving

it to me, but can I really do that character

justice? I would have to know my own range. Who

is your favorite Transformers actor, voice actor,

actor? It's all the same thing. That's hard.

That is real hard because Peter Cullen has always

been a stand -up guy. Um, you know from meeting

him I would say dan gilvazan was a cool dude

to meet He was just a very chill very very cool

meet David. Hey was nice trying to think of I

mean cuz that's the thing I'm gonna end up going

by who I met Like that's really where it all

kind of boils down to hell rail was a was a chill

dude Greg Burke Greg burger was cool, you know

likes to talk Gary chalk likes Like to talk venus

turzo was really really sweet Man, there's so

many like alan alpenheimer was just so chill

Yeah, he was. Yeah, definitely a chill guy to

meet in person. Um, I would I still need to meet

frank welker like that is on my Like if I need

to meet him sometime While he's still alive Yeah,

absolutely. Yeah. Um Yeah What is your, now this

cannot be anything that they've announced recently.

It cannot be anything that's coming out already.

What is your dream masterpiece figure? Dream

masterpiece figure at this point right now, I

would love for them to do a master. I mean, they've

done Kingdom Rodimus, so it's kind of like a

mini masterpiece, but they could do a Rodimus

Prime, but I would like them to do a masterpiece

Galvatron. Would be one has he never had one.

No, he's never had one. Mm -hmm And then do I

mean the other the other character I can think

of I mean they've they've done Star Saber But

I mean now they're doing the war for Cybertron

one Deathsaurus Mm -hmm. Yeah, that's all right.

So we're you know, we're doing the train bots

Yeah, yeah, and that would be that'd be cool

Very cool. Very cool Where do you land on the

rumble is blue, frenzy is red, or rumble is red

and frenzy is blue debate? Fear rib for life.

Fear rib for life. The toys did what they did

fine, but fear rib for life. I always say purple

and black just to make it easy, but anyway, I

go with cartoon logic. If you could create any

Transformers fiction, whether that be toy cartoon,

comic, etc. What would it be and what story would

you want to tell with it? Basically, they give

you the keys to the kingdom. Now you're talking.

Mm -hmm. I talking. All right. I have wanted

since 1987 for them to continue on with the original

G1 cartoon where it left off with the rebirth.

Mm -hmm. But here's the thing, it's 2021, we're

going into 2022, why don't we try to tell a long

adventure story that kind of has a lot of flashbacks

and modern, like spend a season where you're

telling stories of Transformers events that are

happening in present day. and have a select group

of characters, whether it be headmasters, or

target masters, or pretenders, or whomever, that

are existing right now in 2020, you know, two,

three, whatever, and they're having flashbacks

of stuff that happened maybe in 2010, or maybe

back in 2001, or maybe during the 90s, and what

that would do is that would allow some characters

who you haven't seen who died in the G1 cartoon,

iron hide and stuff like that to show up but

then on top of that it's all leading to a major

event that's that would happen that would conclude

reach reaching to a conclusion kind of like an

anthology and while this is happening you're

introducing characters from the toy line that

are coming out at the time so you can have wind

blade you can have victorian you can have um

you know, new characters that do a G1 -esque

lug nut, do a G1 -esque bulkhead, have those

characters integrated into the story, but have

it all lead up to a Nexus event where you now

open the door and do a crisis on infinite Cybertrons.

So that the door opens, so now you can open the

door for all those, you know, universes happen,

but it happens for a reason, and obviously that

reason is Unicron. and Unicron is trying to absorb

all universes at once using this Nexus event,

which could erase one timeline or erase another

timeline, but still those series still happen,

but they end up, you know, from this point. Some

of those characters can now be crossed over into

the G1 Sunbow cartoon, but it becomes the single

continuity moving forward. So you can now have

Transformers stories that lead all the way up

until whenever you want to. Let's say up until

like whenever the end of the G1 war ends that

leads into Beast Wars. So you can bring in MicroMasters

and you can bring in all these other characters,

but then you can start doing brand new takes

on characters and stuff like that. So you can

have, it doesn't have to be a G1 style transformer.

It could be a stylized transformer, but it is

the current day transformer character, but all

those adventures happened before. See, that's

the thing why having all of those events happen.

all within the G1 cartoon is because the thing

with Transformers is that it's constantly rebooted

for so many years for the past 20 years that

we really haven't had a continuous story. And

that's where it's like why it's that desire to

go back. You know, I know some people want to

go back and do like an animated season 4 But

I would like to see a g1 season 4 5 & 6 that

eventually leads to that Nexus event Maybe even

do a generation 2 story like with g2 Megatron

Galvatron gets rebuilt into generation 2 Megatron,

you know, how cool would that be? Yeah, that

would be very cool. I and I think the reason

why we don't ever have one long continuous story

has nothing to do with the fiction. It has to

do with, again... Toys, yeah. Because the toys

have to... Because it's a toy company. Right.

Like, it's a toy and games company. Yes, they

are also a media company now. However, like,

the reason why we got RID 2001 is because they

wanted to try to bring in new people. The reason

why we got... The reason why we got RID 2001...

is because it was a filler until Armada came

out. Armada was in development during the beginning

of Beast Machines. You know, and they said, okay,

well, what could we do in the meantime? Well,

why don't we just import this one toy line, you

know, the current, you know, car robots thing

during 2000. And during 2000, what was out? Beast

Machines. So 2001 is when Robots in Disguise

came over. You know, anime intact just basically

Modified by Saban and turned into robots in disguise

and it was just a filler show Yeah, but at that

time everyone was like, how come we don't get

a continuation after beat people wanted a continuation

of Beast Machines Which was supposed to be a

stacker. Yeah. Oh god. I sold oh Wait, okay.

So this is all Fucking Derek J. Wyatt's fault.

It's all his damn fault He showed off trans tech

animated Cheetor designs and I already liked

the animated blur thing. So putting blur, Blur's

Mold into Cheetor and making it TransTech colors,

I would love for them to do TransTech. That would

be so awesome. Would be so awesome. But if they

do it, they do it. If they don't, they don't.

Yeah. But at that point, they just basically

hit the hard reset button. And they've been hitting

the hard reset button every three to five years.

Yeah. And every time they hit the hard reset

button, I think it has created a community that

is the divide. Yeah, because the thing is, is

I want to see what happens after the Autobots

return to Cybertron victorious, inanimated, or

I want to see what happens at the end of Prime.

I want to see, you know what I mean? 2015 robots

in disguise was the end of prime, but I mean

technically it was but I mean It What I don't

dislike the 2015 RID I just Like I liked that

prime animation and I know that was expensive

as hell animation. Don't get me wrong, but I

Don't know it is what it is Alright last question.

What is one piece of advice that you'd give the

transformers fandom and transformers collectors

in general? Be kind Be kind I'm at that point

now where I'm just like I'm seeing the You know

some of the like if you go on Facebook the Facebook

groups are the worst I refuse There's so much

negativity out of a lot of those groups and then

some of the message boards that are still around

and just people are still like, everybody has

to be divided. And yet when you go to a convention

and everybody's there and everybody's hanging

out and everyone's showing off their Transformers,

there's no hatred involved. And yet when they

go online, there's so much animosity between

each other. And it's because we're all sitting

behind screens Anonymity and blah blah blah blah

blah Well, it's it's it's it's not just transformers.

It's real -life stuff, too True. It's because

it's because of people being locked down people

have gotten nastier They they've forgotten how

to treat fellow people Without getting heavy

into it some people have lost their sense of

morality and there is that that just the the

barriers of how people caring for one another

has broken down. And that just is where I think

it's all stemming from is there is a root in

that. But as far as keeping back into Transformers,

be kind with one another and just enjoy Transformers

with people and don't be putting each other down.

Absolutely. All right. Where can the people find

you online, sir? You can find me on YouTube.

You can find me on Instagram. You can find me

at Twitter on Facebook and Yeah, it's pretty

much itch it yeah Rodimus Primal show on Instagram

and Facebook at Rodimus Primal on Twitter and

of course my YouTube channel is Rodimus Primal

and then my second channel is Rodimus Primal

talks where if I don't talk Transformers on that

channel You're talking about other stuff. Yes.

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