577 – IDW Publishing – TMNT Reborn Volume 7!

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This is episode 577. I'm, of course, Dear Joe

and Mike. Joining me once again, as always, here

in Mutant March 2025 is my good buddy, my turtle

brother, Mr. Joe Reed, with him in his Hawaiian

shirt. Hello, shirt. Hi. Hi. I can't talk anymore.

That opening salvo of 575's introduction for

12 years of the podcast basically killed me with

being able to actually talk coherently. Well,

I can understand you. I think we're alright.

Let's hope. And I'm not making fun of anyone.

I'm having actual problems using my tongue these

days and actually having language issues with

actually being able to discuss things on podcasts.

But I have a huge problem. This is interesting.

I have a huge fucking problem with this comic

book series now. I was hoping for something more.

What happened? Oh, my God. Fucking no. Uh -huh.

Hate no. Ugh. So when we did the free comic book

day, was it the free comic book day issue or

the annual? Wherever we first saw the white turtles.

Yep. And I'm sure people listening to this episode

that haven't listened to the other episodes are

probably going to need context. There are an

alternate version. set of four ninja turtles

that wear white masks so when we say white turtles

folks we're not trying to be reverse racism or

anything like that we don't do any kind of political

bullshit on this podcast whatsoever and we're

not talking about lita who is a white yeah yeah

exactly lita is a white turtle quite literally

these are white masked turtles that are not wearing

masks over their headbands. I can't talk either,

Mike. It's great. But they're wearing face masks,

more like a stereotypical ninja thing. Yes. Dude,

it broke my fucking heart. I was hoping for something.

Because the whole point of the white turtles

is that, at least I thought the whole point of

them was that... The weapons are mixed up. The

characters are mixed up. Everything is different.

Like, how you've got alternate dimension type

thing. I thought, I literally thought they were

Turtles Forever -ing this shit. I thought they

were going to pull, create something new. and

do something where this was another dimension

version of the... So for anyone who doesn't know,

listening to the sound of my voice, what Turtles

Forever is, was a cartoon film back in 07. Whenever

Turtles Forever came out, I forget when it came

out, and I'm not looking it up right now. But

the point of that film is the 2003 version of

the Turtles at the time. Got together with the

87 Turtles. They then went back in time and got

together with the first ever animated version

of the original Mirage Turtles to stop Shredder

and Krang and the Utroms and all of that from

destroying the universe. Turtles were. I thought

it was another version of the Turtles. I didn't

realize it was something as stupid as Null. People

dressed... Now, I just sat in this chair that

I'm sitting in and read all of those books, and

I don't recall that information being in my stack

of books. But I knew with the mouse guy that

was doing the experiments on all the mutants,

he had the turtle parts, and he had that phone

call with somebody. And it was kind of apparent

that he was trying to make turtle clones for

that person. And I'm pretty sure that was Null.

Yes, it was Null. You have the Volume 7 trade.

I have... Yeah, and I read the issues that you

told me. There's something in that trade that's

not from these issues. Really? Yeah, Null did

not appear in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 books. Huh.

Interesting. But I know the story you're talking

about. I think I read it in one of the other

books. Okay. So maybe it was just me doing research

on the characters because I went to Turtlepedia.

Huh? Because I wanted to know. I wanted to find

out. I wanted to figure out after we had seen

them in that free comic book day thing. So maybe

that's where I got the information from. To find

out that the Gang of Four, I think is what it

was called. Or whatever. I don't know. But that's

my rant, folks. I was highly disappointed. But

it's just... It's just a... It's just somebody

in disguise. Like, it's not... I really... Okay,

so the way that I... I actually wrote out this

whole thing. I don't have it in front of me,

and I'm not going to read it, obviously, but

basically, when I found all this out after doing

all this research about the white turtles, I

felt like Donatello in Secret of the Ooze. Yeah.

Where it's like, man... Where he finds out that

they're just an accident. Yeah! I thought there

was more. I thought there was, you know, a reason.

Like, yeah. I just always thought there'd be

more to it. To the ooze. To, you know, us. I

know. I always thought there'd be something.

That... I thought we'd find out we were special.

Do not confuse the specter of your origin with

your present worth, my son. I don't believe him.

There's just got to be more to it. That's honestly

kind of where the IDW has kind of picked up the

ball from every other previous Turtle's origin.

Is that, yeah, it always has been an accident.

You know, the ooze off the back of the truck.

Yeah, they find out that it's the Utram ooze

that... ended up down there, but it was an accident.

And this time, with these guys coming from being

reincarnated from Japan, it does mean more. The

whole mutagen, and their fate has intertwined

with the Triceratons since the age of the dinosaurs.

And that's cool. Secret of the Usedani would

be really happy to know that. Yeah, I would absolutely

hope so, that Secret of the Usedani would be

happy to know that, absolutely. Professor Jordan

Perry was supposed to be in U -Trum. I bet he

was, and we just never found out. Have we gotten

him in... We haven't gotten Perry in... Perry

was name -dropped as someone that Harold was

talking to. Okay, he was name -dropped, but we've

never actively ever seen him. Nope, they did

not. To my understanding, and based on what we

talked to Bobby about years and years ago, that

they didn't have a lot of those background character

rights from the movies, but I think something

changed when NECA started making Kino and Danny

and Tatsu in action figure form. That feels like

Nickelodeon got the license. I made a Jordan

Perry action figure too, which now I kind of

actually want to... buy that and put an Utram

in his stomach. Like, do a custom with a fabric

lab coat that you can pull back and it's an Utram.

Bobby, brother, you're in charge. Well, I mean,

you're not, you know, whatever, but you know

what I mean. Yeah, the licensors will probably

let you have him now. Figure it out, because

guess what? It would be a great homage since

David Warner passed away three years ago. We

need Professor Jordan Perry in the new book somehow.

Oh, man, that would be so cool. Oh, damn it.

Professor Jordan Perry, since we can't have him

work for TCRI, he could be the president of ENCOM.

Yeah, ENCOM from John. Oh, my God. Yeah, talk

about, talk, talk, oh God, can you imagine? Can

you imagine? This, okay, I know, I don't know

what Jason Aaron is doing currently with, I don't

know how that's going as far as like the characterization,

but in the one to 150 issues, how our Mikey in

this series has gone after, especially after

issue 50. When we meet Mikey way back in issue

51, when he is split. Can you imagine Mikey on

a friggin' light cycle? Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

All right, folks. Reborn, TMNT Reborn, Volume

7, Isolation. As Joe mentioned, the main cover

features Rat King, the Null Horny Chick, Baxter

Stockman. uh um uh nope that one uh that's a

surprise that's yeah that's um they give that

well they gave it a what wow i didn't even realize

it well we all thought that was cheryl yeah we

all thought that was cheryl that's not cheryl

that's um By the time this cover ends up on the

comics, the episodes or the issues of Armageddon

Game would have known when that character showed

up. Yeah, absolutely. But, yeah. Because when

that showed up... It's a metalhead. Yeah. Piloted

by an U -Trom. Uh -huh. Because... Okay, so you

gotta think. This is, like we said... Ooh, Casey

and Sheena. Dudley the Cowlick. Wait, what? That

thing on the cowlick box. Oh, it's the cowlick.

Okay, I thought that was... Whoops, sorry, Sheena.

Didn't mean to disrespect you like that. So this

is TMNT issues number 133 to 139. The people

who worked on this book, that's not what I wanted

to say, but the people who worked on this book,

story done by Sophie Campbell, art by Firo Pay,

Colors done by Rhonda Pattison, as always. Also,

letters done by Sean Lee, story consultants Kevin

Eastman, Tom Waltz. I also want to draw, since

I'm drawing from the collected edition, cover

by Farrow Pay, series editors Jonathan Manning

and Charles Beecham. Series Associate Editor

Zach Boone. Series Editorial Assistant Nicholas

Nino. Collection Editor Alonzo Simon. Collection

Group Editor Chris Simon. And Collection Design

done by Sean Lee. That's the other thing Sean

does a lot of the times. A lot of the times he

will do the collection design, which this is

amazing. The way the collections are designed

with the images that we see on this interior

and how the color, and obviously this is Rhonda's

coloring, and how they changed that and whatever.

So, yeah. We start in the future. And I have

no idea what's going on here. Me either. I was

like, what in the heck is going on? The future

journals in the old Archie series, that's a really

important storyline. And I always wait for any

turtle series when it goes into the future to

pull little things from that. And I need to go

back and reread that because I think they are

going to make some pretty key references to it

pretty soon. But Bob, please don't do this. And

he's got this monkey has some sort of device.

And I think it's old man Donatello. And we know

who that lady is now. It's Harmon. Yep. Yeah,

I think it's Donnie. I don't think it's Leo.

The stick he's carrying. He pulls a sword from

it. He pulls a sword from it. Yeah. He visits

later. That moment. I don't know. It doesn't

look like he hits a button, but there's this

weird glowing shark. shaped thing that is like

devouring the world. I know what that shark thing

is because I read the Archie series way back

in the day. Alright, well, I mean, it comes back

though, doesn't it? Yeah, because this ends with...

I'm getting the sense that it's like, oh my man,

pulling from Stephen King back here, like the

Langoliers, I think? They were those little...

Pac -Man monster, whatever. I watched the movie

and had no clue what was going on. I was a child.

But these little Pac -Man monsters would come

by and eat the end of time. As time went forward,

they would consume it. I'm kind of getting the

sense that that's what this thing is doing, is

it's eating the end of time. I don't know. But

Carmen wakes up. Oh, nope, you're right, it's

Leo. Because she wakes up and says, No, Leo!

Okay. Yeah, yeah, it is Leo. It would have to

be Leo if he's pulling a... Yeah, Donnie would

not pull a sword, so maybe old man Leo needed

to use... Yeah, yeah, yeah. So... She sees Ciri.

And Ciri has pepperoni. And... Who's the cat?

Maybe Clunk. That's a little too fuzzy to be

Clunk. Yeah, that's a little too fuzzy to be

clunk. Honestly, I don't remember clunk. Pepperoni

I remember because pepperoni is pepperoni, and

you mess with pepperoni, Raph is going to...

Raph is going to go up. Ain't nobody going to

mess with pepperoni. It's like putting anchovies

on pizza. You don't want to do that. You're going

to get hooked up. So it looks like Donnie is

playing the man in the chair for every other

storyline going on right now in the other books.

Yep, pretty much. He is. Very much so. Locked

up in the compound. Bunches of monitors. Yep.

I like that. I absolutely like that. I think

that's cool. I think, uh, calm seat Donnie is

a good thing. At least for now. Until he actually

has to get out and get back into, oh man, you

would not. So, uh, this is, what did I say? This

is episode 577. This will air probably March

19th. I believe. So, we are recording this, like,

weeks ahead of when it'll actually air, folks,

but I read this the night before we recorded.

And y 'all know, if y 'all have been listening

to Joe and I discuss this series for the last

11 years here inside the Pull Bag, only on the

Geekcast Radio Network, y 'all know how emotional

I get reading this book. I love... command seat

Donnie here, but when he suits up and he gets

back into action, ah, just, ah, it's so good.

So good. So April calls in and Siri comes in

with pepperoni and Siri and April meet through

the screen. Um, Apparently Siri forgot Donatello's

name. She's forgetting everybody's name because

there's so many new people that she has to...

I mean, I kind of get that. You know, she's...

You know. There's that magic aging tech. You

know, there are moments where she seems completely

together and understands the complex situation,

but then is like, I've never seen this thing

before. What is this? Yeah, what is this? And...

I love seeing April here. I love seeing April

on the screen talking to Donnie. I love that

she and Mona are hanging back in the newsroom

while Lola speaks out and goes on location and

all that and everything else. And we have Carmen,

Donnie, and Siri here doing their thing. And

Siri picks up a little, I almost thought it was

a mouser, but it's not. It's a little camera

bot thing. It's from the video game. Yeah. The

arcade game. Yeah, that's very cool. Yeah. Man,

they throw in everything, don't they? So we get...

Oh, and Space Heroes on the poster back there

behind Ceres asking, who are these Space Heroes?

Could they help us defeat the Utrums? Space Heroes

was 2012 Leonardo's show that he took leadership

inspiration from. Yup. Again, IDW just doesn't

miss a beat to what it is. Is Bigfoot real too?

Probably. Probably. And then she touches the

crystal Donnie is experimenting on. He's like,

no, don't do that. Magic's gotta be a real thing

too, right? Is it a magic crystal? Well, magic

is just science that wasn't yet explained. I

love how Donnie has gotten to the point of where

he's not so anal about it all being science,

but he's not also so anal of it being, it's all

magical mumbo jumbo. Because back in the day,

Donnie would be, it must have an explanation.

It must be explained. There must be a scientific

method to everything. The other thing is reincarnation.

He says as he is being reincarnated. Yep. Mikey

just starts speaking in Japanese. Wait, how did

you? Oh, boy. He comes around by the end of this.

Yeah, he does. He completely comes around at

the end of this. Literally. So he kind of shoos

them out of his lab. And Ciri wants revenge on

Shirelle. And Donnie's like, one thing at a time,

but I promise you'll get your chance. And Carmen

says, you should probably stay inside for a little

while. What'd you say we play some video games?

What are video games? Oh, just you wait. So that's

going to keep Ciri busy for a while. Training.

Yup. And we get back into Mutant Town and we

got a new constable in town. Oh yeah, because

Raph's off doing something. Basically, the rest

of the turtles are throughout most of this book

in the other stories, the other books that are

coming out. And so we've got Raph off doing something,

looking for Hob or whatnot. And Jennica has stepped

up to be the acting constable in a town of ungrateful...

I like her as ungrateful little shit mutants.

I'm trying to protect you. Yeah, exactly. But

no, I like Jennica as the new constable. I think

this role fits her well. She would say it's less

appropriate coming from a life of crime and getting

in trouble with the law all that time, but...

uh it's somebody like that that has a reformation

that i think makes a really good cop because

you know how not yeah yeah absolutely because

she said to do all her own redeeming i was gonna

say i was gonna say recompense but i knew that

wasn't the right word uh but you know she said

to have her own redemption be done and she's

had all the stuff that's gone that she's gone

through so she's more she's more understanding

than wrath being wrath and beat the door down

arrest everybody yep i mean if if people need

to be arrested they'll be arrested but you know

you can have a little bit of compassion and we

got dj mona here on the radio and she gives an

update on to pretty much all the other stuff

uh she talks about what's going on in mutant

town and how jenny's going around and she's giving

positive vibes and all that good stuff and uh

Jenny gets a call from Sheena, so there's that.

We do that, and Sheena is not doing so well.

Yeah, there's going to have to be some kind of

moment for her later to recover. Recover? They

practically break in. Emotionally. So in our

Mutant March journey here so far, folks, doing

the Reborn trades or the Reborn story arcs here

to get to the end of the main series before they

switched it over to the Volume 2 version of Turtles

where Jason Aaron is writing the stories, I've

had a bunch of different feelings, but it's one

of those things where... I still like the story

overall, but man, again, the emotional hits that

this series just... And again, it's about the

characters. It's not about... Oh my god! I think

it was in episode 575, because folks, by the

time you're going to hear this, I will have already

edited all the other stuff. As of this current

recording, I am just now finishing the edit on

episode 575. But by the time you'll hear this,

you'll have already heard it. You had said something

in that episode about missing reading in your

car that first day, getting the Wednesday...

I almost said free comic book day. Wow. Wednesday,

new comic book day, etc., etc., etc. And I'm

sitting here thinking, no, wait for the trade.

No, wait for the trade. No, wait for the trade.

And my thing is, is like most people that, and

we were also talking about in that episode about

like, who is this being made for? Is this, you

had asked in that episode, like when we, or yeah,

you had asked in that episode, who is this being

made for when we get. the movie references, because

the movie lives in our heads. Like, you know,

we see anybody with a pair of nunchucks that

is twirling them on their finger and saying,

you know, the first thing we're going to say

is keep practicing. You know, because, you know,

I brought marshmallows. Put those things away.

Anybody who's got sausage hooked together on

the skin. Combat cold cuts. Combat cold cuts.

Yeah, exactly. Like, we have that rent -free

in our head, but not everyone does, because not

everyone is 40 -something -year -old males. Maybe

certain story points like this story with Jennica

and Sheena are appealing to the female audience.

I don't know. I was trying to think about that.

When I went back and I edited that, as I was

editing that episode, I had... Your question

in my head as I was reading this trade that we're

discussing now, like, who is IDW making this

for? And it's the same thing I said, not trying

to get quoted again on a new cover, but it's

the same thing I said before they took our quote

and put it on issue 55. This series is for anyone

who has ever been a TMNT fan. Young, old, boy,

girl. In between whatever you want to classify

yourself as, I don't care who you are. If you

are a human being, because right now, currently,

in humankind, there are no mutants. So, you know

what I mean? It's kind of like that question

in the Comic Origins, in all of my Origins episodes

that I do. Whether it's toy collecting, whether

it's video games, whether it's cartoons, comic

books, whatever. Who should this be made for?

Because most of that question normally is, most

people view, let's just say as an example, as

a prelude, folks, because we're going to get

Joe on the video game one at some point, but...

Most parents or most people view video games

as something that should be for kids and adults

shouldn't partake in video games. Who do you

think, in your opinion, video games should be

made for? Everybody. That's usually the... Anytime

I ask that question, I can insert whatever topic.

It doesn't matter if it's video games, comic

books, toy collection. It doesn't matter what

the hell it is. The usual answer, this should

be made for everybody. And the whole point of

me spewing all this stuff here now with my voice

is that this comic series is for everybody. It

has something for everybody. And... The emotional

swings that this series goes through and this

call in this page, in this scene where Jenica...

Is she calling Sheena or is Sheena calling her?

I forget what's... It looks like Jenica called

her. I wanted to call and see how you feel. So

Jenica called Sheena and then we see that Sheena's

not actually doing so well because she's hiding.

in bed under the covers. And that's going to

come up later because of certain events. Because

unfortunately, they do bad things. They as in

other people, separate people that are bad people.

Stupid, filthy, evil mutants. So we got Constable

Jen... And this guy. Yeah. I responded to this

as... You know, there are some people who think

the government should be doing this thing or

that thing or not this. And, you know, we back

the blue, but we also get mad at the blue when

they pull us over for speeding. Like, wait, wait,

pick a side, man. And here's a cranky dog in

the food market watching Jennica the constable

go by and say, are you kidding? How about less

people patrolling us? Like, dude, she's there

for you. She's going to. protect you from the

thing. That's why. They're not looking at you.

Up until I scrolled in and I saw what he was

saying, that this here, the wide shot of him,

just the way that his character is drawn, the

way his hat is, the way his sunglasses are, the

way his clothing is, I'm like, oh. Hello, law

enforcement. Literally, I thought it was McGruff

the Crime Dog, honestly. I really did. And then

I read what he was saying, and I'm like, oh,

that's not McGruff the Crime Dog. Oh, yeah. And

then we get Jennica meeting up with, oh, what's

the... I know that's Lita. What's her name? Oh.

Whoever she is, I hope they call her Aunt something

or other. Yeah, it's Lola. There we go. I forgot

who Lola is. That's not Lola. She's saying Lola

is at the State of the City address. It's a good

thing this universe's Baxter isn't white. That's

all I'm going to say. That's all I'm going to

say about that. Because Baxter... Koya is looking

for Bludgeon. Bludgeon is sneaking down to the

basement because he has a hidden friend. Oh,

yes. Oh, yes. And they are training. So it's

Bludgeoned and Venus, and they are both distracted.

And all of a sudden, Venus's arm does something

really, really weird, and they try to meditate

more. They both seem pretty chill about her just

regrowing an arm spontaneously. Yeah. That was

a little, okay, we're just going to put that

over here. And they meditate, meditate, meditate,

and apparently, what's Donnie doing? I mean,

she's meditating, and her meditation basically

reaches out to him. Yep, they're tied together.

Either he felt her or she accidentally contacted

him. Yes. And he asks her, where are you? But

what I find so interesting about this is her

going from the human that she was to the frog

that she was to obviously who she is now. So

it's Bonnie all the way to Venus. What I find

really interesting about this page is that when

we see the meditation between the two of them,

hers starts out with... Her as a human, her as

a frog, and then her as she is now. So we go

Bonnie as a human, Bonnie as a frog, and then

Venus as the turtle that she is. And then Donnie's

is Donnie as he is, but he's meditating on Bebop,

Rocksteady, and Rat King? No, that's the surgeon.

Fucker, Barlow. Oh, Dr. Barlow! Yeah, yeah, Dr.

Barlow. Okay, so Rocksteady, Bebop, Rocksteady,

and Dr. Barlow. So those are the three that Donnie...

But he doesn't look like he's really, I mean,

sitting at the... He wasn't. I think it was just

she intruded by accident. And brought that out

of him. Okay. That's both of their trauma. Yes.

Her two former lives now being this new thing

and him, the destruction and rebuilding of his

shell and the hope of getting it replaced, but

not, but not. Yep. Gotcha. Oh, Don. Yep. She

says, uh, I can't tell you right now where I

am. Wait, no. Damn it. Let me see on the screen.

Baxter says, We cannot yet be certain if our

mutated neighbors are to be trusted. You can

rest assured that your mayor will continue to

keep you and yours safe from now, from any harm

they may be capable of. And Donnie is just like,

lies. No, I think that's coming through the television.

Somebody at the door is saying. That's right.

That's right. Lies. Safe and secure from the

big bad mutant. Yep. Lies. Oh, yes. Yep. The

next page. Yep. The next page is... Oh, that...

Yeah. They are here. The white turtles are attacking

him during his state of the state. Or state of

the city address. Mm -hmm. And the whole thing

is it's a ploy, these fake turtles, to frame

our turtles for... Yep. Yep. For the attack,

yeah. So they are here, they are in this trade,

and that is why I ended up going to search out,

that's why I did all my research of trying to

figure out who the hell they are, who the hell

made them, yadda yadda yadda yadda, hoping for

something more than just, oh, they're just four

null numbskulls dressed up as turtles. Oh man,

there's nothing more than that? Come on! I mean,

I know the one part in Turtles 2 is more funny

than the disappointment, but I really feel like

Donatello, when he was hiding, when he was doing

the pointed stick thing... when he was acting

like the little doll when the foot soldier pushed

him and he pushed back and he poked him in the

eye and he grabbed the thing and whacked him

with the thing. I feel like that doll thing going

back and forth. I'm like, oh, damn it! Is it,

isn't it? It isn't, unfortunately. I wanted more.

In 11 years, have I ever... ever fully complained

about a story beat like really like oh my god

have i ever been let down no i think idw can

give me this one where it's like i'm like i wanted

more like they look too cool they look too cool

to just be numbskulls from Null using whatever

tech to dress up as turtles with white masks.

Damn it. Anyway, so they attack Baxter at the

State of the City address. Donnie calls April

and Mona, calls Jenny, calls everybody. He can't

get a hold of anybody. Some dude in a chair he

is. It's not his fault. They're everywhere. Yeah,

they're everywhere. Dudes and chairs, we are

everywhere. That's right. So, Jenny gets lettuce

thrown at her. Oh, boy. And it is a... It's mayhem.

It's mayhem. Boo. What? It was right there. Like,

you know. And I will say, and we're not going

to get too far off on this, because we'll probably

do our own episode on it at some point. I know

my buddy Optimus Solo and my other buddy, the

comic concierge Dan Clark, on their show they

did do a whole Turtles movie marathon month thing

on the Cinema Geeks, and they did cover the new

TMNT Mutant Mayhem movie. I think I saw it. I

don't remember if I saw it or not. All I know

is... It's not for me, and that's okay. I'm glad

that it's there. Yes, the new movie. Oh, man.

The new animated movie. Yep. No, no. That's absolutely...

You've got two boys. You've got two young boys.

That's my point, is that me as a 45 -year -old

who does not have children, it's not for me,

and that's okay. Which is interesting. I could

hear you saying that about the new newish cartoon,

um, rise of the turtles. Same thing. The last

episode of that, there's like a TV movie or something

really good, really, really good. Yeah. And,

but mutant mayhem, there's, uh, there's enough

of those kinds of adult jokes that are hidden

in plain sight that make it fun. But I, I'm not,

I didn't enjoy it. Like I said, I think I saw

it. I don't remember because I can barely remember

yesterday. But, you know, it's one of those things

where because they actually casted teenagers

to do the voices, they actually casted. They

want this to be the next for the next generation.

I am perfectly. There's so much turtle stuff

for me. There's so many other Turtle things.

I don't need to have every new thing be mine.

I'm okay with that in the franchise. The cartoon

that they released, it's kind of part one and

a half of the movies. There's an animated one

that's based on the Turtles from this new new

movie. Okay. And it's maybe 10 episodes long.

That's pretty fun as well. But it's interesting

for me to kind of think, like, would that resonate

for me as well as it did if I didn't have kids?

The animation style, it made me feel like Spider

-Man. It exists in a way that it could not work.

any other way. That movie had to be experienced

like that. It's a spectacle. Getting back to

the comic here, we're seeing that everyone, Jenny

needs backup, Angel is at Harold's lab working

on her suit, and she gets an alarm as some weird

new explosive energy source is basically incoming.

And basically practically destroys her pretty

much. For half a second I thought that was Splinter.

That's not Splinter. But it looks like him a

little bit. They're weird mutants. But in a red

glowing eye in the dog form that character reminds

me of I think it's Verminator X from the Archie

run. I don't know if that's what it's supposed

to be but It definitely gave me that kind of

vibe. Yeah, absolutely. So we got some weird

new evil mutants here who attack Angel, and that's

how we end this one. Oh, man. And around this

era, you're looking at... Sorry, Mike is sharing

a screen, and I'm seeing the next cover. Eastman

and Sophie Campbell have hooked up to do... the

variant covers for the next couple of issues,

I think through one 50, they are amazing. Yeah,

this is good. It's, it's Eastman's pencils and

Sophie inking. Um, and she can just do amazing

things with Eastman's pencils. They, uh, I like

Kevin Eastman's art. It's, it is. what it is,

and it references the old, or kind of callback

to the old series. It does look flat. It's very

kind of graphic and poster -like, but what Sophie

does with his pencils and whoever did the coloring,

I guess, Sophie probably did the coloring, too.

They're awesome. And I broke my rule and went

out of my way to find a lot of the variants and

the regular covers. I think my biggest problem

And again, folks, this is just my own personal

thing. I would love for us to interview Kevin

at one of these days, but my biggest issue with

enjoying his art, and we talked about this with

issue, I think it was issue 100 maybe, because

there was one issue where they went back and

did a whole thing, set of pages where it was

the old style. Yeah, he did a flashback. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. So my whole problem with most of

his covers, outside of a few of them, is that

they are all, like you said, they're all flat,

they're all this, they're all that, and most

of the time he's doing his own colors. It's not

other people doing the colors or things like

that. This, because this is Donnie and... Sari.

Sari. I like this. This looks really, really

good. I almost thought it was Rhonda. If I didn't

see Sophie's name up there, I would have almost

thought it was Rhonda's colors, but no, I like

that. Looks really good. That's actually the

alternate to whatever, 133, probably. And this

is the next one by Fero Pei with the Uthram,

and the Uthram is playing with some action figures

of Donnie and Sari. Oh, that's creepy. Brains

should not have teeth, folks. Just saying. We

got Mona on the radio. Hey, I have a new microphone

arm just like that, sort of, kind of, not really,

but similar, very, very similar. Hey out there,

Mutant Town, Mona Lisa here with a special evening

update, because things are bananas out there

right now. The attack on Mayor Stockman has kicked

off the worst unrest Mutant Town has seen since

the Mutanimals were running things. Oh, wow.

Has it been that long? Man Ray was right. I stand

with the Splinter Clan. Turtles are innocent.

Mankind must unite. I love this one. Cross out

heart. Because that's Raph. But Raph's not around.

But that's cool. I love that. That's very cool.

You've got folks who believe the four white mass

turtles are heroes brave enough to finally stick

it to Stockman. And people who believe it's all

just a tactic orchestrated by the powers that

be to divide us. I love how they... I love this

page. I love how they did this, where you start

with her in her broadcast booth, and then you

go out and you see the people and how she's reporting

over the radio. I love radio broadcasts like

that. I love seeing how, yeah, this is so cool.

So very, very cool. Or Jenny. I had to trash

the soup kitchen. Damn it. Okay. I don't know

if it's because she's got the constable gear

on, but you put a red bandana on her, that's

Raph. Only because of the damn it. Only because

of the damn it. We got the mutants talking here.

Hey, there she is. You don't belong here. No,

I'm trying to keep you guys safe. She runs away

from them. She hides in the alleyway there from

them. I am not cut out for this. Oh, Jay, what

are you doing here? Hiding. Same as you. And...

I remember Jay. I like Jay. I don't like this

guy. He got shifty eyes. Uh -huh, uh -huh, uh

-huh, uh -huh, uh -huh. I already knew. As soon

as, like, Jay, I know. I remember Jay. Jay's

cool. This dude, this dude got, like, before

his eye even glows, his left eye that glows red,

I think. Uh -uh. Hell no. Hell no. Get your shifty

eyes out of here, you. And here we go, folks.

I'm going to try my best, but I don't know if

I can keep it together here. So the turtles who

attack Stockman could simply be other turtles,

since there were other turtle mutants created

by the M -bomb, like Leta and Toca. So it's perfectly

plausible. And the mutant town public knows who

we are and our personal weapons. The fact that

there are four Hamato brothers, that's not a

secret. So someone could considerably imitate

us. Perhaps to frame us. It also seems like it

couldn't possibly be a coincidence that we just

dealt with Dr. Barlow and his surgically altered

mutant hybrids. So as Donnie is basically suiting

up in the old gear, he's telling this all to

Siri, Lita, and... And Carmen. He's very overwhelmed.

Okay, I got a question for you. So this panel

here, before he says he's overwhelmed, where

Carmen says, where she asks him if he's okay.

All right? Now, the way that this is drawn, and

I don't think this is me just zooming in on it,

and I'm not trying to zoom in too far, but if

you were to look at this just like this as a

regular comic book page in your hand, And I don't

know how good or bad your eyesight is, but I'm

legally blind. So I need to zoom in on it. But

if I was looking at this, this page would be,

if I had a physical comic book here, it would

be two inches away from my face. So I would see

the detail. So I'm going to zoom in on this.

Do you think the drawing here of Donatello, like

this, this is his skin, obviously. Yep. I know

his shell is different because it's a metal shell.

I'm not complaining. I'm just asking a question.

Do you think this looks as good or better than

a turtle with a... I've got to see if I can catch

one of the other brothers or I've got to catch

Jennica or somebody from an angle of their shell

facing the camera to see if I can compare it.

But it just... Does this look too pixelated to

you? The artist is using a tone pack, a brush

in whatever digital program, and it looks like

there's two layers of them. There's the light

skin of Donnie, and then there's the darker flesh

tone, but then there's one screen of these light

-colored dots. that make a medium tone, and then

there's a second screen of darker dots to make

a deep shadow. And so it's the same, but it's

the same texture from the shell to the arm. It's

really easy to see the dots on the shadows behind

Carmen, because it's not a lighter color. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. No, no, no, I know. That's everywhere.

And there's no detail. But he's the only one

that has the metal shell. Okay, yes. Technically,

he's the only one that has the metal shell. But

I don't notice this as far as we're zoomed in.

How far are we zoomed in here? I'm zoomed in

110 % on this page. I see this a little bit in

Siri's face here and neck, but I don't see it

on her arm. I don't really see... I see it on

Lita's, like, pants here. I see it on... But,

like, Donnie specifically, like, even zoomed

out, I can see it on him. Like, and I'm legally

blind, and I, like... I zoomed out to 35 % of

the, of the page. So this is only, again, I'm

not complaining. I'm just asking, uh, uh, an

art question is all, do you think it was intentionally

done to show his metal shell overall versus a

turtle that would have an actual regular real

turtle shell? That's the whole point of all of

this. I flipped through the book, and it looks

like even natural shells are shaded the same

way when there's a dark shadow on them. I think

it's just really apparent there, because Donnie's

in shadow, or lit from the front, and we're looking

at his back, so everything got shaded. Again,

not a complaint. It looks like they're all the

same. Even down here, seeing them, it's the same

trick. It's fine. Again, I'm not complaining

about the art choice. I'm not complaining about

the art design. I just was curious to see if

this was because the dude has a metal shell.

If the artist was trying to distinguish, other

than, you know, coloring the damn thing bright

silver and making him look like, making his shell

look like the color of the silver of, oh, what's

the character? Orokosaki's son. The new shredder.

The new... Hiroto? You know who I'm... Yes. Like,

that color silver. I mean, that would be a, oh,

he's got a metal shell. Like, this to me looks

like, oh, it's just a green shell. You couldn't

even tell it was metal unless you hit it. I see

the screw holes, and that's about the only thing

that differentiates. Yeah, I mean, yeah. It's

the same color in most other panels as the rest

of the Turtles. And now, see, you mentioned the

screw holes. Now I'm looking at the screw holes

to see what kind of screws they are. Like, boy,

somebody got a Phillips or a flathead. You're

screwed, Donnie. Nobody uses flathead screws

anymore. What monster put that show on? It was

Harold. That's right. Harold the monster. All

right. So Donnie's getting ready to go out there.

And so they say their goodbyes. They're locking

up the fortress behind them because somebody's

going to get in. Yep, somebody always gets in.

He puts Ciri in the chair in charge of all the

comms and the stuff and the whatever. You get

Carmen, Lita, and Pepperoni there as well. And

he goes out and he does him some investigating,

and we go back to Venus. I do love the way that

this is shot. I do think this is cool. The telepathic

head thing between Venus and Donatello. She does

say that she wishes she could help him, but things

are difficult at the moment, so there's that.

Venus, I was just thinking about you. I know,

Bludgeon and I sensed something. Bludgeon, where

are you, Venus? Please, don't say you're a foot.

No, I'm not. Liar. You liar. Liar, liar, Venus

on fire. I mean, it is closer to the sun, so

it could be on fire. You never know. And Donatello

says, well, okay, but you say you wished you

could help me, so why can't you? I just can't.

All right, forget it. I don't need you. He says

that after they disconnect their telepathic whatever.

Telepathic, telepathetic, whatever. We cut back

to Jenny and the mutants, and Jenny goes to the

apartment complex where Sheena is, and she says

to Jay and the evil fox mutant thing, wait here,

I'll be right back. She yells for Sheena, uh

-oh, that cop is here. I'm not a cop. Oh, fine.

Everybody out! Everybody out. Hey, hey, leave

her alone. I can't stay locked in here and ignore

what's going on out there. And it's this hungry,

hungry hippo -looking dude attacking Sheena.

Sorry. Hey, it's... No. I've got... I'm mixing

up my comfort... Oh, have you heard what Hasbro's

doing? This is a side note, folks. I've heard

a lot of things about them doing Toy Fair this

weekend. This week, well, by the time people

will hear this. By the time they record it, they'll

know everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This came

out at the end of last year. It's part of their

new play -to -win strategy. This pro's going

to be licensing out some Transformers stuff to

Playmates. Huh. And I'm like, wait, what? Well,

didn't they do that before for the Rescue Bots

lines? Wasn't that a Playmates? I think, but

I don't remember. I don't have all the correct

information in front of me to tell you factually

stuff. Let's get back to the turtles here. So

Donnie runs in, rescues Angel, bandages her up,

gets her out of there, sees a dismembered arm.

What is this? But he sees that it's... It's a

Terminator arm. I'm sorry. I had to. It's my

time. Dude, it's... I feel it. God, I have so

many references running around in my head. I've

had the... Have you seen the... The old Bugs

Bunny Frankenstein cartoon with Gossamer where

he's chasing it? Okay, this is a long time ago.

There's one of the Bugs Bunny cartoons where...

They're running around, running around, running

around, and there's this female robotic wind

-up rabbit that keeps interrupting them. And

at one point or another, Bugs is like, she's

wound up, and she's coming up to him, and she

plants a kiss on Bugs' cheek, and he goes, so

it's mechanical, so what? First thing I thought

of. When I see robot parts, it's either Terminator

or Bugs Bunny. Wait a second. What is this? He

picks up the arm. I'm sure he recognizes that

that's Uhtram tech. Yeah. Yeah, I know this tech.

Uhtrams, they have to be after Ciri. Yep, he

directly says it. The Triceraton girl? Like,

they know everything. And he gets out, or she

gives him the grab generator. Uh, and he goes,

uh, he goes U -Traum hunting. Jenny is, uh, basically,

you know, kicking the walrus in the chest and

get out and... Okay, baby. Are you okay, babe?

How about you come stay at the lair for a bit?

We got room. I... She looks back at her broken

-up stuff. Okay. They're back! And it's Jenny

and Jay and Sheena and the traitor. Now see this

corner here? So as we see this bottom panel,

folks, that you're not seeing as we're looking

through talking about this comic, the evil mutant

people and then our good guy guys. To the right

of that is the stairs where the mailboxes are.

This corner here? I swear that's not, okay, that's

just a broken piece of wall, but the way it's

shadowed, I'm like, wouldn't it be nice if a

mouser just jumped right out of, but it's just

a broken piece of wall. I know it's not an actual

place where something could jump out of, but

like, yeah. So, we get that. We get, bug old

bandit, I thought we were cool now. Nope, still

haven't forgotten when you broke my bill. It's

nothing personal, Jennica. This just isn't your

turf anymore. That's Constable Jennica. It's

a police brutality. That's right. Well, you know,

pawn, brack, balk. Sorry I'm late, Jenny. Oh,

sorry there. Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha. Ha,

ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, who's the babe? Ha, ha, ha,

ha, ha. Uh -huh. Uh -huh. Yep. Pretty much. Oh,

God. Class is paid. 101. 101. Your instructor

is Casey Jones. Better late than never, right?

I like my classic Casey. With Cricket Bat. Uh

-huh. You know, you gotta understand Crumpet.

You gotta know Crumpet to understand Cricket.

Oh, God. Yeah, no, classic Casey is awesome.

Oh, Casey, that was awesome. Thought you might

not show up. We're kind of short -staffed, huh?

I hope he's back in the... I know Casey's going

through stuff, but from the last trade to this,

I hope we're back. If he needs whatever mental

help that he needs, fine, great, get help, Casey,

but this sure did seem like, like you said, classic

Casey. He says things are getting pretty hairy

outside the wall, too. Right now, let's just

focus on getting you guys to the bunker, where

it'll be safe at least until we can figure this

all out. Meanwhile, the stone -eyed fox is still

hanging out. That traitor. Yep. He's still hanging

out. Donnie gets home and yells at Siri. He doesn't

yell at her, but he yells her name. Oh, you're

safe. I'm doing my job. Good work, Siri. Thanks.

I was worried. Colonel Shrell has ordered my

death. I understand. I must take extra care to

stay hidden. Exactly. The Ultrons will find you

eventually, Ciri, but I'm going to protect you.

So we get that. Donnie's back on Cobbs, and Jennica's

like, Where you been, Donnie? He goes, Sorry

about that, Jen. Had to check on Angel, but she's

okay. Thanks for helping out, Casey. No problem,

man. Just doing my part. I love seeing all these

characters work together. This is so good. I

looked at the list of all of those editors at

the beginning and was a little critical of how

many editors it takes to do a book. But then,

you know, at this point in the book, you're realizing,

oh, man, they're juggling like three different

titles. And all of these characters and the timing

needs to work out and they need to come back

at the right time into the story. So, yeah, that's

why it takes an army to fight a war in a comic

book. Absolutely. Takes an army, absolutely.

Hey, at least we got the general back in charge.

That's what I'm saying. If Bobby were doing the

book now, he'd have done it all by himself. Wait

a minute here. So Donnie's back at the wheel.

Donnie says, Lita, can you help me move some

things in here from my lab? I need to do some

experiments. I don't want to leave the cubs again.

Lita says, okay. Yeah, that's carbon. Okay. You

gonna experiment with this thing? Careful. That's

an anti -grav gauntlet. I'm not sure what I'm

gonna do with it yet. We have Donatello about

to do some ninjutsu with his little gem here.

So he's going to practice that. We go back to

Jenica, Sheena, and all of them, and this is

where we see the fox dude with the Terminator

eye. Nope, that's not going to end well. Another

beautiful... Was that... Yep, Eastman and...

Eastman and Sophie. Yep. Gorgeous! Yeah, so good.

So good. And this is the next one. This is Farrow

Pay with... Bonnie and Angel on this cover. Oh,

this reminds me of issue... What? I went and

looked at the original issue when I saw this

cover, and I'm like, wait, didn't they already

do this? Issue 34, right? Man, if you know that

off the top of your head, that's impressive,

but take your word for it. We're going to create

an edit point right here, folks, and I'm going

to go look because I want to make sure. Well,

I mean, you say, oh, yeah, that's issue 34. And

I'm looking at the issue I just put face down

on the stack over there that I just finished

reading with you, and I don't remember what's

on the cover of that. We join our turtles in

progress, as was previously stated. Apparently,

I have. Really great memory when it comes to

comic book covers, folks. So, issue 135 of TMNT

Reborn. This is volume 7, Isolation. This is

issue 135 that we're starting here. On the cover

is Johnny and Angel. And it looks like something

is targeting them. And before that impromptu

break, I had said to you, Mr. Joe Reed, sir,

I'm like, wait, this reminds me of a cover they

did way back when. And literally, when I say

way back when, folks, I'm talking like issue

34. Issue 34 was May of 2014. That was 11 years

ago. And it's not even that you remembered the

cover, because I remembered two covers that were

similar, but you knew the issue number. That's

the crazy part. Yeah. So, issue 34, this was

right at the... It was right at the start of...

No, it was the tail end. It was the next arc.

It was right after Northampton. It was right

after Northampton. It was the second issue of

the next new arc. This was the arc leading up

to Shredder and Krang meeting for the first time

in issue 37 in August of 2014. And the only reason

why I know that information off the top of my

head is number one. you know, 37 in a row, but

I'm actually looking at the webpage where it

says August of 2014 and wherever it has all the

covers on it. But it's one of those things where

that was obviously a landmark thing of shredder

and crank meeting. But you had mentioned, you

had mentioned issue number six of, of the thing

where it was the destroy, which was, I believe

was this mousers or metal head. It has, it's

so early. It has to be mousers. Okay. I do not

remember that four back. I mean, I remember that

four back. I'd have to check, but another red

cover with turtles on the cover, and this is...

But yeah, definitely both of those covers kind

of got a little callback here. Gave us a flashback,

at least. So, looking at... Go ahead. Nope, that

was it. Okay. That was that. So just briefly,

since I'm on the page anyway, looking at the

cool thing about Comicvine is I can find covers

for almost anything that I need to find. And

if you actually click on said cover, it will

take you to the page for that. set issue and

any variant covers and sometimes there are usually

IDW does three variant covers in general but

sometimes with certain issues they'll do more

but they also give you all the other information

as far as like the creative team and the synopsis

or the description etc etc etc and for issue

6 it was a new year and the TMNT and Master Splinter

look to the future even as they struggle to come

to grips with Past mysteries. Meanwhile, General

Krang grows increasingly impatient with Baxter

Stockman, who is prepared to unleash a horrific

new weapon. Yeah, it was the Mousers. The only

thing they have not done to Baxter Stockman in

all these years later, folks, is they have not

turned him into a fly yet. They've done everything

else. So yeah, it was the Mousers. Absolutely.

It was the Mousers. Alrighty then, though. We

have, as Joe said, the next chapter in the isolation

trade paperback, Volume 7 of TMNT Reborn. We

start with the inventor. We start with Mr. Donatello.

Who's been carrying this book on his back. No

wonder his shell is sore. Yeah. All the other

turtles are off in their own series for a little

bit here. Well, OK, I wouldn't say he was carrying

the entire book on his back. I mean, there is

the guy in the chair. He totally helped everybody.

That's true. But come on now. And so, Donnie,

it looks like he's trying to hook up one of the

little crystals that they made on their vision

quest with Orokosaki to. Herald's anti -gravity

gauntlet. And you know, if I were him, you're

given this relic of mystical energy and he's

over here taking shavings off of it and picking

it apart. I'd be a little afraid to do that.

But it's not. He knows what he's doing. I don't

even know if he knows what he's doing here, but

it's Donatello. Wise men say the only difference

between science and screwing around is writing

down what you learn. So Donnie's definitely doing

science. Yes. You said it better than I was going

to say. And I was going to say, it's Donnie,

man. Yes, he is. He has a new appreciation for

the mysticism of it all. But he's Donatello.

He does machines like, you know. And that is

a this is a really interesting thing. Later in

the book, they they drop some stuff that kind

of made me go, oh, wait a minute. But Donnie

is of the mind that magic is just. sufficiently

advanced technology that you can't explain it

anymore because we don't have the words for it.

So he's determined that if he does enough experimenting

and if he pokes and prods at it, that eventually

he'll understand it and then it'll become science.

Yeah, it becomes science and he can have words

for it, like the evil remote. It's mystical energy.

And later in the book, they do an interesting

job of explaining it in a scientific way, which

I thought was fun. We'll get there. And Donnie

is... I would say all four of the Turtle Brothers

are like this, but you look at the stern look

on his face. He's giving Ciri a stern look in

this panel, but he's not upset at her. It's a

determined stern look. I won't let anything happen

to you, Regenta Ciri. I won't let anything happen

to anyone. Think about... God damn it. why is

it every time we do one of these episodes of

this podcast for this specific series, I constantly

break down, especially with Donnie. You think

about what he's been through throughout this

whole damn series, but you know, like the determination

of this frigging turtle man, this is why not

just this specific version of him, but In all

versions, Donnie will always be my, to quote

Jack Palance from Batman 89, my number one guy.

Always why Donnie is my number one, Mikey's my

number two, and then Raph and Leo kind of take,

you know, three. Leo, honestly, most of the time

will end up in fourth place because Leo, I don't

know. Nobody likes the oldest brother bossing

everybody around, right? Yeah, I don't. Leo is

my favorite, and I think it's just because back

in the day he had Blue and he was the sword guy.

But as I've gotten older, the leader, the stoic

character, and kind of, in other words, the boring,

predictable character has become my favorite

in just about every one of the possible. worlds

where there's archetypes in charge of a series.

The boring leader, the Boy Scout, is mine. Superman,

hard to do anything with because he's always

moral and in the right. He doesn't struggle with

anything like the other superheroes do. And Leo

is stoic. And I mean, Leo has his moments. And

they've done a real good job making a Boy Scout

interesting. Oh, yeah, no, absolutely. No, and,

like, but, you know, take the original things

that David Wise did with those four brothers.

David Wise has been gone a number of years now,

folks. I believe he passed in 2010. David Wise

was one of the original writers on the original

cartoon. And, look, no disrespect to Mr. Eastman

and Mr. Laird who created the characters, but...

Leonardo leads. Donatello does machines. Raph

is rude, but whatever. Michelangelo is a party

dude. You take those basis of those four examples

of characteristics and then you expand on them.

And IDW, as always in every episode, you guys

are... probably sick of hearing us say it, but

we're going to say it every friggin' time. Whoops,

I forgot to turn my thing off here. It's important

to note David Wise's contribution. When you get

around someday to reading the Mirage series,

they are not unique characters for a while. They

don't start to differentiate themselves until,

I don't know, 10 issues, 12 issues into the book,

really. And I think and then David Wise like

took the seeds that were beginning to get laid

down in those early issues and then turn them

into the archetypes, which I mean, kids need

archetypes when you're watching something like

that. Um, and, and yeah, that's really good.

It's man. I have underestimated his contribution,

um, which now I need to rethink that. And yep.

Yep. Absolutely. Oh, oops. I am. you have the

books in front of you, right? Yep. Okay. Okay.

I was going to say, I forgot to do screen share

this time around, but yeah, so we, so Sheena

and Lita show up and along with Jay and trader

and comments, like, I guess we're locked down

now. So you guys got just here, just here, just

in time. Nobody in or out. Bad guys could get

in. Lita says. Is this everyone who's down here?

Nah, there's Donatello and Siri, too, but they're

busy in Donnie's lab. Don't forget Pepperoni

and Clunk. I guess Clunk is the cat. I don't...

Hey, name dropped him. Yeah, I know, but, like,

I don't remember... I don't... I don't know.

Like, I remember... I know I'm confusing this

with the 2012 series because that's where this

reference I'm going to make comes from. I thought

Clunk was the Ice Cream Kitty, but the Ice Cream

Kitty is from the 2012 series, I think. Yeah,

and I don't know that they ever called Ice Cream

Kitty Clunk. I don't remember. No, I don't think

so. I think the first time Clunk ever shows up

is in Northampton. It was when they were up there.

It was a barn cat. Yeah, I guess. I don't know.

It's been around since the Mirage days. Yeah,

yeah. I just don't remember where, like I said,

I think it was Northampton, but again, I could

completely... Look, folks, I can remember issue

numbers and covers from 11 years ago sometimes

on a good day. On a bad day, I can't remember

what issue or what story arc the cat came from.

The cat could have come from outer space or something.

I don't know. He didn't, but I'm pretty sure

of that. But again, I could be wrong. So we get

a couple of pages of a spy dude here trying to

stalk Siri and trying to choke her out. Luckily,

Carmen catches up to them. Oh, God. This guy.

He goes into the bathroom to whatever. We get

back to Jennica fighting. Who's she fighting

here? Kick and punch or whatever their names

are. Oh, she actually says what their names are.

Laurel, Felix, stay down. A cat? You know, it

would have been funnier if it was Laurel, Hardy,

stay down. Yes, folks, I'm old. I make old jokes.

Sorry. And then, backup arrives. Hey, Jenny,

where you been? Around. Oh, man, the two of them

back in action together? That's awesome. I actually

have that action figure. Nice. Recently. Very

cool, very cool. Very awesome, very awesome.

But then, she says, Jennica says, hey, listen,

about the Shredder stuff. I don't care. I don't

want to talk about it. Nope, she don't want to

talk about it. Okay, let's handle the ass clowns

again. Absolutely. We get back to Donnie. He

is working feverishly. What the... And this is

where he figures out the mysticism of a pen to

the paper, or the pencil to the paper with the

mysticism and the writing and the whatever. And

as I was reading this, this whole... I want to

make sure I get this page number right. When

we get back to his lab, in the trade, folks,

in Volume 7, Isolation, Reborn, Volume 7, Isolation,

page 56. You start on page 56, and I'm just going

to go really quickly here. Ninja pizza? Pizza

that vanished quickly without trace. 56 to 59.

These three pages minus the little vignette with

Alopex and Jenica where Donnie calls them. Because

he calls them and says, Jenny, come in. Get to

City Hall immediately. On my way. What's up?

The doppelgangers are there right now. And they

have Sally. alopex and jennica in an amazing

piece of running art and jumping art are on their

way uh to to city hall but then we get the next

page where donnie is still tinkering this is

the page where i'm just like okay they've turned

him into tony stark As soon as I read, as soon

as I saw this page, I didn't even need to like,

I didn't even zoom in on it. I didn't even read

what he, I didn't even read the words. As soon

as I saw the bottom right -hand corner of the

page, I didn't even like, I saw the giant green

text and saw the giant green shiny stuff. And

I saw his hands out pushing outward towards the

sky. And I'm like, They just gave Donatello a

Tony Stark moment of when Tony created vibranium.

I'm like, you magnificent bastards. This is amazing.

I recognized that posture and that gesture. taking

out the atoms and moving them aside and get rid

of this bat now and then expand it. And he's

like claps and scoots back in his chair with

his hands up. So, and Donnie's been doing this.

He's kind of creating these Dr. Strange like

runes with the pencil, this crystal joined with

the pencil, which is a throwback to an early

Mirage issue where, uh, Jack Kirby. I don't think

they call him Jack Kirby, but it's Jack Kirby

with a magic pencil, does some drawing. And then

that magic pencil comes back way near the end

of the series, I think in the Tales of the Turtles

thing. So the crystal pencil, crystal -powered

pencil that brings drawings to life is a piece

of turtle lore. But he's using it to draw the

runes that he hasn't been able to figure out,

and now he can see how all of it is... is happening,

and it looks like he can control space and time

with his magic runes and energy that he can't

explain yet. No Infinity Gauntlet needed, Tony.

Stones. What for we need your stones for? We

get back to Jenica and Alopex. They are in the

city hall, the jail area, where these imposters

are. Another step towards mutant victory. Behind

the cage! Quiet, you. Join us, mutant town. Man

Ray will lead the mutantimals to power. You're

not fooling any. Ninja Star. This whole thing

is fake. Bunch of posers. And she stomps right

on his hand. Oh, God. Definitely not my Raph,

says Alopex. No. What the hell is this all about?

Fall back, fall back. And this is where I said,

I think it was earlier in this episode, I had

my rant about these characters. Mm -hmm. And

this is where I went searching, and I actually

pulled it up on the fandom, turtlepedia .fandom

.com. These are the Gang of Four from IDW. And

yes, folks, I know I'm reading directly from

a Wikipedia article. Oh my god, it's the end

of the friggin' world, but you guys know how

we do things around here. In the IDW continuity,

there is a gang of four mercenaries who work

for the Null Group as elite soldiers enhanced

with cybernetic implants. They are human -born

mutants who can use machines to regulate the

mutagen levels in their blood. In their blood?

Wow. In their bodies. Yeah. allowing them to

shift between human and mutant form at will.

Their call signs are Dead Aim, Fist, Lynch, and

Waster, with Colonel Fist as commander. I don't

think we've seen them in this issue. I don't

think we've seen them, how to say, they don't

get unmasked so far that I have seen. No, so

far they have appeared. Yeah, so far they have

appeared in Armageddon Game 1, TMNT 133, Armageddon

Game 2, The Alliance, number one? Mm -hmm. And

Armageddon Game 4, and then Free Comic Book Day

2022. So why do we see them here if they don't...

If this is 135... Huh. Interesting. Either way,

I don't know. But their debut as the Null Turtles

was in the Free Conflict Day 2022 issue that

we discussed. Like I said earlier, I wish there

was... Just like Donatello in TMNT 2, I wish

there was more to them than just being a bunch

of mercenaries from Null. That's my only complaint

about them. I just wish it was a better storyline

than just four mercenaries dressed up as turtles.

instilled some political strife with the Mutant

Town. Giving Baxter a reason to just shut down

and come down on Mutant Town militaristically.

Yeah. And Null is facilitating that. Yep. And

as the four disguised mercenaries, as the four

white turtles, quote -unquote, go deeper into

the headquarters here, We come up with Raph and

Hub. Where do you think you're going? Oh, God.

Okay, I know what they're called. The Weasels.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. No, I know,

I know. But, like, where do you think you're

going? I know it's Raph and it's Hub, and they're

with, and my first thought was, babies. You turn

them into babies. First Shredder, now Hob. Alopex?

Al, we... And Alopex isn't having any of it.

She's done. I am so done with all of this. But

first of all, Raph is back in red. No more Constable

Raph. And I like how Jenny, I don't know if I

mentioned this before or when Jenny took over

as Constable, I like how she didn't change her

bandana. She just put on the quote -unquote police

gear or the SWAT gear or whatever you want to

call it. She didn't have to change. I understand

why Raph did, and that's fine. Yeah, no. Alopex

isn't having any of this, so Alopex runs off.

We get back to the TV room with Carmen and Jay

and the traitor. We get Siri. We get Sheena.

We get Pepperoni and Lita. They're all playing

video games, and Pepperoni... walks off and series

like pepperoni come back pepperoni and she goes

oh the the the the traitor dude actually does

try to get siri here and uh he grabs her by the

throat and pepperoni leaps up and attacks him

She basically bites him right in the neck, practically.

And he bites her back. And... Oh, man. Pepperoni.

Oh, no! I called one of the weasels pepperoni,

but no, that's... Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, no,

no, no. Oh, no. Oh, boy. It's a good thing Raph

isn't there, because... That guy would have been...

I know turtles are not supposed to kill, but

that guy would have been really freaking hurt.

So, Lena, go get Donnie. I'll go get Donnie.

Okay, how the hell do you do that? You did that

in one of the other records, and I'm like, what

girl joined the podcast? I never... I practiced

every day from when my voice actually sounded

like that. And, you know, if you keep that muscle,

it never goes away. I freak people out. Yeah.

You freaked me out in the entity in one of the

other episodes. I'm like, wait a minute. What

the hell? I invited my wife to the podcast. She

loves turtles. I'm sure. I'm sure she does. She

sounds just like this, too. This is my wife's

voice. I mean, yes, anyway. You're lying, son

of a bitch. So, yeah, we get the wolf cat, or

wolf whatever he is, and he's about ready to

kill Ciri, and yeah. Oh, man, and then when they

pan to Donnie, he's responding to a problem that

angels having and like, Oh, we got a problem

here. Like I got a problem here too. I got a

problem here. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Hold on. Angel.

Oh, uncle Donnie. Uh, and, uh, yeah. You're uncle

Donnie there. Hey. Get away from my friends.

And he fires the thing. And then it doesn't exactly

go very well because it doesn't work. And Donnie

gets hit real bad. Stupid Colin. Why didn't it

work? What did I do wrong? Oh, geez, Sensei.

Are you okay? So they go old school. Yeah. Donnie

handles it quite effectively. Literally. Donnie,

you knew that was a robot before you did that

to that guy, right? Yeah. You knew that was a

robot, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, he can see

the glowing red stuff coming out of his mouth,

so I'm pretty sure. I'm going to hope he did.

Yeah, I knew it was a robot. Yeah. Yeah. Okay,

so. I understand why this page is the way this

page is, but I really wanted a bigger splash

page because I wanted him to insert the stick

and pole vault over this guy. Basically, stick

in mouth, pole vault over him. That is what I

envisioned when he started doing this. I'm like,

Aw, crap, this page isn't big enough. So, yeah,

but, um, what the hell was that, Sensei? Long

story, everyone okay? What is he, an evil cyborg?

Not exactly, Jay. Don't get so close. It's okay.

I think he's going to self -destruct. No, he's

worse. Yes, he's going to terminate. That would

be a new Trump. That would end my day. That would

be a terrible time. for this issue to end and

if I were reading that in the car. Yeah. If you

were reading that in the car alone in front of

the comic shop, no. Lock your doors. I was an

U -Tron the whole time. What happened? But you

get to turn the page. That's right. That's right.

I do love the alternate cover. The alternate

cover for this has got Jennica. And Alopex, absolutely

love that. That looks so badass. So good. And

then 136. 136, right? Yeah, 136. It's got Casey

and Jenny, and it looks like they are fighting

off a swarm of splinters. And the only reason

why I say a swarm of splinters is because the...

Oh, it's a pipe. Okay, at first, before I zoomed

in on it, I was like, that looks like a rat hand

and a walking stick. It's a pipe. But yeah, so

we start where we left off last month. You are

mine. And the U -tron, or the, yeah, the U -tron.

See, I'm sitting here trying to judge myself.

Wait, did I use the right terminology? Oh, shit.

Crang. Oh, the U -tron. It's trying to do the,

well, I mean, both moments in the previous book

and this one here are really channeling Alien,

like the Uhtram bursts out of this thing's chest

or back, and then it jumps at Donnie and it tries

to face hug him as they're all wrestling it away

from him. Like, ugh, creepy. Yeah. But Jenica,

not being a character created by Nickelodeon,

is allowed to save the day with her fist claws.

sticks it to the wall and it becomes a smear

of blood. Yes. Smear. Oh God. All as I can. And

I know this is, uh, uh, get off of him. And you're

right. That is very, very whatever, but all as

I can think of it, obviously folks, we know the

boy scout doesn't kill, but all as I can think

of is that moment. And I think it's either twilight.

Part 2 of Justice League. Or maybe it was Justice

League or was it Superman? There's a scene. No,

it's Justice League because it's George Newberg

as voicing Superman. It's not Tim Daly. Where

he goes, No, Darkseid. The only way you're going

to be able to get off this rock is to go through

me. And I'm not going to stop until you're a

greasy smear on my fist. That's exact. I heard

your, even though this is Jenica's moment, just

seeing this with, Oh man, just so cool. So amazingly

cool. And she just flips him, splats him against

the wall. Crap. It's still alive. Not for long

for the herd. And Siri basically stomps out the

Utram. Krang lookalike brain thing. Everyone...

What was that noise? That was... Yeah. Jenny,

you got here just in time. Everybody okay? Yeah,

thanks. Jenny, that Uhtram almost hit me. He

was trying to force me to swallow it and become

its host. So nasty. Angel said there were at

least five of these guys, which reminds me, I

need to contact her and... Wait, Jenny, did you

relock the bunker hatch when you came in? Uh

-oh. Uh -oh. Uh -oh. We're in trouble. Oh, boy.

Damn it. Sheena, get everyone to the sewer access

now, and don't let anyone in. We can't let these

guys reach the sewer access door, no matter what.

And it's an all -out brawl. Oh, God, they all

have red mouths. So they're all robots. Yeah,

they're all those weird robots. So they're all

robots. Yeah, all Ultron robots, which means

everybody dies. Because robots... Means we can

use our weapons, guys. That's right. That's right.

Use the weapons. Use the weapons. So in the next

panel here, you have Siri saying, I know I must

be kept safe. So that panel there, there's the

art page right under it where it's Donnie and

Jennica showing against the Terminator looking

here. The guy in the middle, I'm like, wow, that

almost looks like Old Hob mixed with T2. It's

not, but it looks kind of a little bit. So they'll

still keep coming after us. We need to cut them

off at the source or whatever. I don't want to

use your... Yeah, just get shoved down the stairs,

decimated, shot at. Like, okay, it's going to

get to a matter of survival. What is it, last

stand kind of feeling I'm getting? Very much

last stand. Why don't we just use your gauntlet

thingy? Nope, not working yet. Who knows? You

gotta unlock your power, Donnie. Come on, Donnie,

you got this. And I don't remember these rules

about, like, they can only use their magic when

nobody's looking. I don't even know anything

about that. Yep. I don't remember Shredder mentioning

that, but I know that there are more issues in

between that we're missing. Maybe that comes

up, but the gauntlet was supposed to be Donnie

being able to bypass that so he could use it

anytime. But we'll see what happens. Yeah, man,

they're barricading themselves into a corner.

Pretty much. So scary. And, uh, uh, Siri says

that she will fight. Donnie does the Retsu time

and space and time. He gets the thing activated.

And, uh, yeah. Stop, stop. He stops time. All

right. He stops everybody. Literally. He stops

everybody besides him and, uh, Carmen. So he

and Carmen, we get to the future. Carmen, next

Saturday night, we're going back to the future.

Oh, God. We're going to find out why Carmen is

so important someday. So one of these days, yeah.

And she says in the future, if I remember right,

this guy makes the big monster thing show up.

I don't even want to know what the big monster

thing is. Like, I know we see it. We're looking

at it right now, but I don't really want to...

It's a Langolier! Shh! Oh, boy. And we get back

to Burnout Island. Why didn't we know that these

turtles had some kind of quantum energy abilities?

If we need something to sound scientific and

we don't know what it is, just call it quantum.

Exactly. So this is an interesting page here

to me as the Utroms are talking about unidentified

objects. Incoming bogey, sir. Approaching at

high rate of speed. ETA 26 minutes. Identification?

Negative, sir. Could it be the regenta and those

turtles launching preemptive strike? I don't

believe so, sir. It's one object with both organic

and inorganic components. It's him. He knows.

Leave Montoro with me. We'll meet our visitor

with full force. Uh -huh. Yep. Metalhead Krang.

I didn't see that coming. I didn't see that coming

either, but as I alluded to earlier, going back

to the past of issue 37 of Shredder and Krang's

first meeting, it would not be an end run to

the finale of this era of the book without another

quote -unquote Shredder and Krang meeting again.

Even though technically Shirell in this is not

technically Shredder, obviously. But, yeah. Metalhead

Krang shows up, and Shirell, Shirell, where are

you? Right here, General Krang. And, yeah, so

it's Shirell in his Triceraton body. versus Metalhead,

Krang. What is the meaning of this? Triceratops

host? Disgusting. Look at yourselves. You seem

jealous that you've never thought of it. And

literally... Exactly. And literally, I just looked

at the old issue cover of 37. So, issue 37 of

the series... It has Shredder on the left and

Krang in his original body. What's his name?

Yeah, it's General Krang. On the right with the

Technodrome in the background. And this very

image has Krang on the left and Shredder on the

right. That's amazing. They're both in body suits.

That's hilarious. That's amazing. Shut your mouth,

Colonel. Now call off your forces. There is much

bigger plan at play, and I'm in charge here.

Not anymore, Krang. Stand down, soldiers. That's

an order. They only take their orders from me.

You always did put your self -destructive pride

before the greater picture, Shirell, just like

with my father. I, General Krang, am your commanding

officer. God. Really? Are you, though? They are

like... God, these brains and their stuff. Say

what you will about Quaid and your own father,

but... He was right about you. You have never

been a true leader of the Uhtram people, and

you never will be. And the fight continues. God,

that was not where I was expecting this to go.

Nope. That's a nice little wrench for Shirell.

Yeah. Slow him down from bothering our boys.

Absolutely. Very, very well done. Absolutely.

So we get to the next issue. We start with Jennica

and Siri. And let's see here. Jennica, the hell

is this? A portal? Was this supposed to happen?

What did you do, Donnie? What didn't Donnie do?

That's the better question, Jenica. What didn't

Donnie do? Oh, crap, Don. What the hell happened?

I traveled to the future and saw myself, and

Donnie, look at me. I think you just froze time.

Look at Siri and Carmen, and you gotta give the

magic back, man. Uh, evoke, revoke. So, revoke.

And time starts. Boom! What was that? Oh, shoot.

Alright. You alright over there? Yep. That was

me responding to, like, another thing dropping

out of the sky for the turtles to have to deal

with. First it was the regenta, then Krang dropped

out of the sky for the utroms, and now... Whatever

this is. Whatever this is. Did my unrevoked magic

go haywire? Let's investigate first. Come on.

Oh, that was an actual explosion. Those are Ultram

ships. I know. Who sent them? It's not a question.

She phrased that in the form of a question. She's

like, I know! Who sent them? It's Shrell! Oh

my god, he's coming for me! And the army, or

not the army, that's not the army, that's the

EPF, isn't it? I think it's the EPF. Yeah, they're

outside, inside or outside the wall. Yep, yep,

yep. But now they're fighting the Kring. Yeah,

that's what I'm saying, they're fighting the

neutrals. I thought they were fighting the mutants

from the top. I don't know. No, no, no. They're

fighting... I don't know. So the mutants are...

The mutants are in the crossfire. That's what

it is. And they're fighting the Krang. See? Did

it again. Donnie, where are you? No! Raph? Oh,

well, well. Look who it is. Three out of five

turtles back. Getting easier to carry the book.

Stop it! You're okay! Everyone's safe. Yeah,

it's good to see you again. Fine, I don't even

get a hug. Oh, Raph, you goober. I love when

you're mushy. Yeah, well, don't get used to it.

Don't tell anybody. Yeah, don't tell anybody

I was a goober. Uh, Siri, no, no, you need to

get back. No, Shirelle wants me. This is all

because of me. I think she's right, Donnie. We

can't just let her surrender herself to them.

The EPF can take care of this. Shirelle, here

I am. Face me, coward. Oh, boy. That's, uh, that's

some fighting words there, little lady. There

you are, Reginta. Oh, Triceratown Shrill, what

have you done? Oh, yeah, that's, like, nasty.

Oh, yeah, very. Taking the dead bodies and reanimating

them. Oh, well, it's even worse. Yeah, well,

look at that. Yeah, we know what happens in a

minute. Oh, boy. How dare you use the bodies

of my people, these warriors, and poor Dr. Zura.

They were noble creatures. I thought you would

enjoy seeing some familiar faces. Now hand yourself

over. Or I'll raz this city to the ground. Ciri,

you don't have to do this. No, I will not surrender,

Shirelle. So be it, then. Protect Ciri with everything

you've got it, guys. Take this. She gives him

a sign, right? He gives, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He

gives, he says, take the, Oh, okay. Yeah. See,

no, I wasn't. Oh, I thought he was talking to.

He's okay. Raph is talking to, to Siri. I thought

he was talking to Shirelle. He's like, take this.

No, he's take this. He's talking to Siri. That's

that's all. I, I miss some, I misinterpreted

that. You will die this night, Shirell. Laser

blast and ooh, Donnie and his metal shell. It's

a good thing that thing can take a licking and

keep on ticking. Look here, folks. I can tell

you that I'm old without actually telling you

that I'm old by putting a Timex reference into

a podcast. Incredible. Hi, Shirelle. You killed

my mother. Now I will kill you. And a lot of

these panels, folks, are just the battle. I mean,

it's a good battle. The art. Oh, it's so good.

So good. The colors, the drawings, the lines

on the suits, man. Look on the page where...

Where he reveals that his suit is actually her

mother's face. It's her mother's body. The shadow

on his stomach where he actually... That's some

good design. That's some really good art design

for that character. That is hilariously good.

That is so awesome. This just makes Ciri even

angrier, obviously. Using the face of her mother.

Yeah, why anger her like that? You're just gonna

power her up. Donatello, is it? It seems you

have beaten me, but I have a proposal. I'll spare

you and your friends if you explain your arcane

technology to me. No way. Die. Oh, man. And then

the Fantastic Four show up with Mikey. Waiting

two days to make that joke. Because seriously,

like, look at these people. I understand it's

the Nova Group or the Nova Corps or whatever

it's supposed to be, but like... I can't remember

when they showed up before. I can't either. They

look familiar, like they were Archie characters

at some point, but I don't remember when we've

read from them. Yeah, I don't remember seeing

these people in this series at all. And... It's

probably just because it's been going for 10

years. 15. I can't look. I lost count. Yeah,

longer. And I don't remember. Yeah, but, like,

seriously, like... I was really hoping Mikey

would show up with the Neutrinos, but I understand

why you have to show up with a... A Michael Chiklis

suited up Ben Grimm the Thing looking character.

Like, literally. I don't know what other powers

the two females and the other male have, but

literally a giant guy in the blue and the yellow.

It looks like the Thing. So the team's all here.

Some weird aliens, I guess. This has been a long

time coming, Shirell. Kill them all. So we have

an even bigger battle as this progresses. And

again, between the backgrounds, the foregrounds,

the colors, the art, the drawings, the characterizations,

all of it looks so amazing. They just do such

a great, great job. And isn't even there. He

must have been piloting remotely from some. That's

why he was in shadow the whole time. Oh, that's

right. Yep, yep, yep. He's back at the base somewhere

or whatever. And so the only reason we're here

is to finally take care of Shirell and Krang.

You're welcome to come with us to find Shirell.

It seems like we want vengeance against him as

much as you do. This is the Nova Corps people

talking to Ciri. So that's essentially what's

going to happen is she's going to go with them

to find Shirell. which is very, very cool, very,

very interesting. Siri gives Donatello a very

big hug. She talks to Carmen. She talks to Pepperoni.

Pepperoni's awesome. She knows who matters. Yes,

that's right. Pepperoni and Lita. Goodbye, mighty

Pepperoni. Oh, God. We need a Lita and Pepperoni

one -shot. That's what we need. Goodbye, everyone.

I'll see you all again after I've reaped vengeance

and freed my people. Good luck, Siri. Bye, Nova

Posse. That's what they're called in this, Nova

Posse. I kept calling them Nova Corps. I think

that's a Marvel thing. Oh, yeah, that's very

Marvel, Nova Corps. Yep, yep. And on her way

to Ireland, Siri takes her mom's metal replacement

horn and makes it her own. Yup. And, yeah, that's

the end of this issue. We get an awesome variant

cover with Donnie. Oh, man, I'm going to screw

this up. Donnie and Casey, I see. And I bet that's

probably Cherell in the top, Siri. I can't see

who's behind Casey in this picture. Casey, I

think that's the rest of the U -Troms. And then

at the bottom is probably Cherelle. The top is,

I don't know, maybe General Craig? I don't know.

It's probably Cherelle because he was there attacking

Ciri. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was Kevin and

Sophie. So Kevin Eastman, Sophie Campbell. Very

cool, very cool. A little bit. Up, up, up. And

now we have the Mystic Brother and Mystic Donatello.

I love this cover. I love the Eastman and Selfie

one from two issues ago where he's holding his

gauntlet up kind of next to his face in it. The

way that it's drawn, it looks like the weird

gauntlet from the Hellboy movie, the first one.

Yep. All the clear crystal, clear vials on it,

but it's got the green magic. Yeah. I love those

two working together. Yep. I think what I love,

okay, so we talk, we've 12 years, folks. We over,

well, we're still in the 12th year, 12th. Well,

the month of the 12th year, the whatever. You

know what I'm trying to say. We're still in March.

We're still in March here. So it's the actual

month of the 12th year of the podcast. And we

always ask the question in the Origins episodes

about what form of comic books do you like the

best print digital print or digital vice versa

yada yada yada uh whatever whatever whatever

and while i will always love and have a respect

for print i ain't got no room for print so i

got room for trades some trades and stuff but

even not even those not many like i would get

the idw collection volumes for this but i don't

even have turtle trades Just because I got a

one -bedroom apartment. And unfortunately, half

of that's taken up by Funko Pops. But that is

a whole other story for a whole other podcast.

Point is, what I love about digital is that I

can sit here and I can look at what issue number

is this? Because I have the trade. It doesn't

tell me the issue number. This is 138. Okay,

so we got two issues left in this trade. So this

is issue 138. Volume 7, TMNT Reborn, Volume 7,

Isolation. This is Donatello with his mysticism

and everything else. And this is a different...

Ooh. Oh. Donatello kind of looking like Batman

because his belt has, like, utility... Like,

when did that start happening? He's got utility

pouches on his belt. I wonder. Hold on. I have

the... Santa Luca Donatello action figure here.

He's full of pouches. Okay, no. It's just the

first time I've noticed it kind of thing. It

depends on who's drawing it. Yeah, that's fine.

I like they differentiate the turtles more often.

Absolutely, 100%. Yeah, no worries. That's not

a big deal. But again... this is done by by pharaoh

pay and i love pharaoh's art here because number

one it's donnie and number two it's all purple

and the reason why i love the digital versus

the print is because in the digital i think the

print you would only have you would not have

the purple border you would just have the actual

image of the image you would not have where it

has in the in the here let me just Oh man, do

I? Here, hold on. I'm showing you right now.

Give me two seconds. So the purple border there,

I'm assuming generally as a regular comic book

issue, you only have the actual, you don't have

a purple border around it. You just have the

actual image itself, right? Oh, I see. I wonder

with those, the angled border across the top

and bottom. If they're cropping any of that up.

Oh, yeah. They cropped that image on yours. That's

fine. I don't have a problem with the cropped

image. You just like the purple? Yeah, that's

the point. I understand why they cropped the

image, and I can look at, and I will look at

the actual. You said this was issue what? This

was issue 138? 138. Oh, it's not that bad. Oh,

wait. Oh, no, that's just his pants. Okay. It's

not that bad. So we looked at several of the

individual issues for the books, folks, and when

they do the backups for the trades, they crop

them a little bit. It's not cropped as bad as

I thought it was. Yeah, it's not terrible. I

mean, more of it is covered up by the title and

the... publisher mark in the corner yeah like

this this to me is more of an art piece and you

actually actively have who the artist is like

it's like obviously you have the i'll zoom in

here obviously you have you have his his signature

on the image itself with the year in the art

itself but you all like i would love to get this

printed i would love to have this as a frame

this would be cool this is why i love The trade

paperbacks and how IDW does. This is why I love

the Purple Waters and stuff like that. And any

of them. I mean, we'll see later. But like this

one, same thing. Like you've got not so hot on

the green, on the aquamarine green here. And

people can't see this, but you can. But Eastman

and Sophie with all the characters here on this,

same thing. these to me scream, especially specifically

this one, it's like, ooh, print me out, frame

me, put me on your wall. Did I ever see Farrow

Pay at a convention? Don't buy that print. Hopefully

he has it. So we start 138 in Mutant Town, the

wall. I know you don't like Man Ray, but we need

his help. Man Ray put us in a cage. I know. Man

Ray bad, right, Dada? Right, Dana? Uh, yeah,

bad. But... Ray, how you doing over there? Almost

done here. Here, too, ahead of schedule. Once

I'm done here, the entire perimeter will be set.

Nice work. What are they doing? I know what they're

doing. But do you know what they're doing? Oh,

man. I was not expecting. Because of where the

speech balloons are coming from and the radio

communication, I can't tell if Man Ray is trying

to blow the wall apart and Hobbes trying to stop

him or if they're working together. Hey, Ray,

how you doing? It looks like they're working

together. They're working together. Yep. Which

is a little different than what it seems like

later, but I'll get reminded. We'll work that

out. Yeah. As we turn the next page, somewhere

off -camera, Leonardo's back. Yes! And so now

we're back to full strength. They're all back

from their miniseries and other collections,

and it's the big battle. Oh, big battle. Oh,

and even Shredder's back there. Yep, yep, yep.

That's crazy seeing Saki fight with them. It's

good, but it's crazy. So crazy. So yeah, we got

the big battle between everybody. Pages like

this must be a pain in the neck to draw. All

of these characters, different scales, perspective.

Yeah, absolutely. Good shot, Hector. Like, just

everything. It must be a pain to draw, but once

you... And color. Absolutely. Rondo, we are not

worthy. We are not worthy. You know, but once

you get the work done and you look at it and

you're like, damn, that's amazing. What I am

slightly more interested in is what is going

on back here. What is all this? I noticed this.

EPF people. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, so folks,

even though you can't see it, as we're looking

at page, whatever page, this is page 117 of volume

7, Isolation. Behind some of the inserted panels

is the EPF. Yeah, I said that right. The EPF

peoples. So yeah, that's that. It's the EPA and

Walter Peck. What a prick that Peck guy was.

I hated him. Can we just have, can we just, I

know the Statue of Liberty was supposed to be

a symbol of positivity, but can we just have

her step on him, please? Because that guy, no.

I mean, the judge got it with the Scolari brothers,

but like Walter Peck, yeah, he needs to go. So

we got the goodbyes with sort of, kind of, not

really, we almost get the goodbyes with Siri

and the Nova Posse, but... Uh, we get, um, some

resistance here with some Utroms. Be the prisoners

and surrender and we'll go easy on you. Never!

Okay. Zebulon, do it. Pleasure. Push. Boom. Oh,

boy. And, ew. So, baby Utroms. I think my disgust

with this page or this part of this page is just

floating around in green goop. Just floating

around in ooze. I think that's supposed to be

mutagen. And she just reaches in and grabs one.

I know. Don't do that. They're cute, though,

aren't they? These babies are innocents. Uh -huh.

Yeah, sure they are. Sure they are. Yep. Well,

they are. The U -Troms aren't an evil race in

this series. That's true. They're only evil because

Franks are back, and Terrell is absolutely evil.

Yep. Yep, yep, yep. Okay. There are good U -Troms

out there. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. The turtles need

an Utram baby. Raise it right. No. We've never

seen that angle, I guess is all I'm saying. That's

something that they haven't ever had to do. The

Utram infants are the future. He changed his

suit again? Ah. Changes more suits. Changes more

suits than Batman. Seriously. Oh, this is the

actual suit that he's got. The other one was

just... Okay. Still late, but yeah. So... Alright,

everyone. You're safe. We're here. And they are

freeing the Utrom. And they are fighting for

the Utrom. And your vengeance isn't going so

well. What's the thing Triceratops always say

for the pack? No. For the herd. And... I didn't

see that coming, and neither did Jor -El. Nope.

Ciri takes her mother's nose... Horn. The metal

horn. Metal horn. And stabs Jor -El with it.

Right in the eye. Look at that. Oh, boy. Oh,

that's one less villain. Who's going to be the

villain now? It's over. And she gets his little

comlink thing. This is Ciri Triceraton Regenta.

Now, and you will be shown mercy. Your leader

is dead. Leave now, or face the wrath of the

Triceratons. And we cut back to New York. Hey,

they're leaving. That's one down. Yeah, and then

the EPF aren't going to let the Krang walk out

of New York. And so they're still irritated.

And the Turtles step up. You know, they don't

make a big deal about it, but the Turtles step

up to defend the retreating U -Troms and take

out the F -People. Yeah, man. Wait, I thought

he was a ghost. Huh? Wait, wait a minute. What?

Who's saying that? I'm looking. No, no, no. The

page where Annika says, well, that's one down.

Bottom middle of the page. I thought he was a

ghost. Oh, where she says, that's it, Mikey.

The character in the background. The character's

not saying anything. I'm saying... I thought

he was... Yeah, Shredder. No, no. He's been...

He's like in and out of the astral plane. Okay.

But he's... He's recorporalized. Okay, got it,

got it. What's the mysterious cow doing here?

Oh, he's just one of the allies. They're bringing

everybody back. I don't know if you guys... Your

listeners have... necessarily seen this, but

Cuddly the Cowlick is a giant cow head. It speaks.

It has opinions. And I think in canon here, it

is the same Cuddly the Cowlick from the Archie

series. He's trans -dimensional and can go...

He's met many different groups of turtles. And

he will lick, slurp up people, passengers, and

take them across time and space. And he's there

fighting. And Jenica needs to perform some of

her kichikuri, but nobody can look. And so he

shows up. I hear him sounding like goofy in my

imagination. I can help with that. And he licks

her up so she can do her hand gestures. And she

is going to show everyone the truth. Yeah, she's

showing everybody the truth in their head. And

they're all like, whoa, okay, I get it now. And

Mikey's like, yes. I don't know what's happening,

but it's working. And, yeah. So, Ray, come in.

You see the weasels anywhere? No, I thought they

were with you. It's time to go home now. Can't

leave the weasels behind. I don't know why the

weasels thought they had to protect Hob from

Ray. This is why I thought, are they working

together or are they not working together? I

think Hob and Ray are working together. But I

think they think, the weasels think, that Ray

has some weird agenda. Right, Mushroom? Man Ray,

bad. Hey, Ray, why did you hit your trigger already?

Uh -oh. Hey, you guys feel that? Yeah, I think

that's Hob. Rumble, rumble, rumble, rumble, rumble.

Everyone move! Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Mushroom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Damn

it! What was that, Raph? You said Hob was up

to something. Yeah, he did it. I can't believe

it. Boom! Was he supposed to take down the wall?

I thought he was. Yep, he pulled it off. I thought

he was supposed to take it down. You did it,

man. You okay? What happened? Hey, where's the

weasels? They're gone. They were in the blast.

I looked. I couldn't find them. Ever since day

one, Hob has always been a tragic character.

Yeah. Ring, ring, ring, ring. Hey, April. Donnie,

I'm sending you what I found out about Null.

You need to see it. Uh -oh. More Null shit. Okay,

everyone, we still have to do this. Donnie, Mikey,

you two take Cuddly to Burnout Island and meet

up with the Regenta and the Nova Posse. Oh, boy.

Jenny, there's a ton of folks here in Mutant

Town who still need help. Can you handle it?

On it. And I'll be going with you guys to take

care of Null. We will defeat her for certain.

Where are you going? There is something else

that needs my attention. I've taught you all

that I can. Have you? Have you, though? But we'll

meet again soon. Uh -oh. Oh, no. Remember me?

I'm here to help, okay? Aww. Alopex finds the

weasels! Yay! At least they're not dead. Oh,

that's that variant cover. That's right. Oh,

boy. Here we go. Final issue, folks. On 39, Mystic

Sister. Isolation. But technically also Mystic

Sister because technically that's, yeah. So we

start in. It's time to end this. What the hell?

What the hell is this, Saki? Where did you bring

us? And why? We are hidden from... Go ahead.

What? I think that the last issue we read was

the end of that storyline. And this, I feel like,

happens before they leave their Northampton training.

Okay. Yep, yep. Probably. So it's a bit of a

jump, and it's weird, but, you know, here we

go. Yeah, it's a bit of a jump, but we knew that

going in. And we knew that when we set up the

whole behind -the -scenes thing on the podcast

about doing the Armageddon game in between Volume

8 and Volume 9. Yep. It's going to be a little

confusing, but don't stop, readers. We'll make

it make sense. We always do. So we are hidden

from the Rat King while in this thin place, and

it is here you must learn one final skill before

you face him. but I won't be the one to teach

it to you. You won't? Who, pray tell? Kitsune?

Explain yourself, Saki. Oh, they pissed. Uh -huh.

What I like about this is that it's kind of back

to form. It's classic Turtles. It's classic Turtles

with Saki. Even classic with Kitsune. As much

as I love the Mutant Town stuff, as much as I

love all the new characters that we've gotten

introduced to over all these years, this final

issue for Isolation is the perfect title for

this trade because everybody in all of these

issues from 1 .33 to 1 .39 have been isolated

in one point or another in this trade paperback.

And this is the perfect send -off for the end

of this part of the story. So it works. She's

going to teach them the final lesson. The secret

tenth cut of the Fujikiri Tong. There's a tenth

cut? Tell us everything, Kitsune. Imagine where

the turtles are in this moment. They've got the

shredder who great cost has been paid to separate

the evil part of him from who he is now and how

he's had to reject kitsune but then knows that

they have to get this knowledge from her and

can you trust her coming back and being this

close to saki even though we know she's motivated

by the defeat of her brother the rat king um

like you you it's an icky situation yeah and

they have to it's very they have to suck it up

and accept what she's got to say. Yep, yep. Absolutely,

absolutely. So yeah, that's what's going on in

this final issue of The Isolation Trade. And

what a story. Just what a story. Absolutely love

it. Tong is the unification, interconnection,

and as a whole, the space -time and gravity in

the quantum universe. I'm telling you, you know

much of this already. Everything everyone has,

not only spatial, but also psychic gravity, metaphysical

gravity of essence, or what some of us call radiant

gravity. These forces extend beyond the materialistic

universe and into thought, dreams, elemental

planes, even the realm of the dead. Incredible.

This ties into Q &A, right? I've been learning

about that. Donnie, you've been learning about

this mysticism already? From where? Donnie's

been busy. It's a long story. I'll tell you after

all of this is over. So, yeah, absolutely. And

again, what I'm loving about this issue is it's

basically, look, we all love action. Most of

us love action. But the cool thing about an issue

like this is it's all story. This page here that

we're looking at, this next page where Donnie's

at the top, it's combined with three panels of

the turtles and it's two panels of mysticism

and the explanation that Kitsune is giving them.

And she's also telling them what's good. So again,

it's, it's story based and it just, it just works.

I, I appreciate whenever the turtles get a break

from, from stuff. And this is the, the stuff

where the mysticism becomes more closely tied

to science. And there's more like, all right,

I'm on board. I get it now. I love, I love hearing

how. mysticism gets explained by various universes.

The world building is fun. Oh, so the spirit

is like gravity. It's a principle of matter.

Okay, then Donnie gets it. It's the energy. That's

how Donnie knows all this stuff already, because

science became mysticism. Or the mysticism got

understood enough for him that it became... this.

So like, yeah, alright, good. And this is the

thing that we've been waiting for for two trades.

This page right here. Despite all that, the connections

among yourselves are not as strong as the ones

forged with others. Where do I fit into all this?

I'm not a Hamato. Jenica, you're one of the many

who has been pulled into the Hamato's orbit.

and like many others, forever changed. You are

the strongest example of what I'm explaining.

Our entire life and physical being were altered

to align with the Hamatos. Mystically speaking,

gravitationally speaking, you are the same as

the Hamatos. So she finally gets her answer.

I guess you guys are stuck with me for real,

huh? I hope so, Mikey says. That's a great line.

That's such a great thing for Mikey to say. I

guess you guys are stuck with me, which is kind

of a negative, self -deprecating way to say that.

And then Mikey is so quick to flip that around

to make it not sting. Absolutely. He didn't say,

I guess so. Nope, I hope so. Good. Absolutely.

When do we get the tenth cut part, though? And

how's this gravity thing gonna beat Rat King?

Maybe it'll let us, like, throw him into a black

hole or something. Black holes have gravity,

right? They do, Mikey, yeah, but and now all

this brings me to the tong. The tenth cut. When

you are together, your power, your radiant gravity,

increases tenfold. The tenth cut will allow you

to make use of that so you can defeat my brother,

whose gravitational force dwarfs us all. And

let's begin. God, look at this. Look at this.

Still mesmerized by how many bat pockets Donnie

has on his belt nowadays. I think we're ready.

We can do this, you guys. We can do this, you

guys, right? And man, just looking at this, the

sea witch on the ground with her hands in the

air, the old can opener standing there watching

them all, and everybody just ready to go. God,

it's so good. Man, the art on this book. Look

at that light. That's right. They all... Oh,

wow. Look at that. I didn't realize that. They're

all in yellow. Obviously, it's shadow, but it's

all... Oh, yep. Wow. That's very cool. Love that.

Together. Interconnection. Unification. As a

whole. Such good pages. And then we have this.

As with ordinary gravity, radiant gravity extends

throughout time, throughout the past, and into

the future. Radiant force connects your past,

present, and future. They all exist simultaneously.

With the powers enacted by the tenth cut, you

will tap into space -time itself. With all of

this training they've been doing, the spiritual

stuff, I'm interested in seeing how they do ultimately,

eventually. handle the Rat King. Yeah, me too.

Absolutely. Hard as the past, however painful

it may be, witness your future, however overwhelming

it may be. Your past shapes you and everybody.

These pages. Yes, I know. I'm sorry. I know.

These pages are amazing. Every turtle gets their

moment to cut through. Absolutely. I noticed

this reading through. Have you cheated and read

the reboot stuff? Not the reboot, the issue one?

Yeah, but I don't remember it, remember? I read

issue one and two, but I don't remember. I read

them when they originally came out. So each turtle

is at the top of the page, and then these colored

rips of fabric that match their bandanas go down,

and we see generally two traumatic things and

then their future. And their future stuff down

here in the bottom. This... Okay, it's issue

139. I don't know when this dude drew these pages.

These are from the new book. Oh, really? Their

future is coming out of post -150. No way! That's

amazing. That somehow they knew that... he was

going to be taking over the book and he had it

outlined and they knew what to draw in these

panels. Okay. So you remember when we had the,

the reveal of, I think it's the reveal of Donnie

with the shell reveal that Donnie was alive and

you had the turtles react and then you had, I

think it was Raph or it was probably all of them.

No freaking way. There's an image somewhere on

Facebook. I'll have to find it later after we're

done recording. But there is an image of the

four of them in the old style back before issue

100 where all four of them, and I think it's

Raph saying, maybe it's all of them. I think

it is. I think it's Leo, Mikey, and Raph. No.

Freaking way. Uh -huh. Don't you tell me this?

Oh, freaking way. Oh, God. Which is why it's

so great. Even though they renumbered it, even

though they went back to number one. Look, we

knew that that was going to happen at some point.

We just didn't know when. At least the license

didn't leave IDW. At least we still have certain

people working on it that we've known all this

time. Again, as I've mentioned, looking forward

to reading how Jason Aaron writes the characters.

Very much so. But the fact that I didn't even

really realize that the future stuff here in

this is actually what's going to happen in the

new series? Uh -huh. That just makes this book

even better! Even more so than it already could

be. Like, he's James Bond in the new book? What

the hell? That's funny. Nice, nice, nice. Donnie?

What's Donnie doing? Grim Reaper Donnie? Wait

a minute. I can't tell exactly, and I haven't

read the Donatello issue yet, but the turtle

ghosty things in the back. look like they could

be the last Ronin turtles. Oh, okay. But, but

I, I haven't seen Donnie related to the last

Ronin turtles. And so there's something else

going on possibly with those. Cause yeah, I mean,

he's dead. Donnie's would be dead by the time

the last Ronin turtles were born. The new, the

new update. That's so cool. Yeah. But I love

this. So we have all four of them, and then we

have this intertwined bandana. Basically, it's...

If you turn... Here, let me see if I can do this.

Where is that thing? Here we go. Either way,

it doesn't matter. Look at it. It's Infinity.

Hello? Are you talking? Yeah. I'm looking at

your screen share. Yeah. It's infinity. I rotated

the page. See? Oh! So you rotate it sideways.

It's infinity. Yeah. At first I thought, oh,

it's just a crazy eight to get to the panel.

It's just a way to get an eight in there. Get

them all together, whatever. And then I'm like,

wait. Like, literally, I turned my, like, I have

my head leaned over to the left. Like, my head's

leaned up against the cart window. And I'm like,

wait a minute. I can just rotate the image. Like,

yeah, it's infinity. As the turtles are forever.

Ding, ding, ding, ding. It is a little concerning

that the top of that is the morning over splinter.

And then the bottom one is all of them going,

all five of them going their separate ways. Which

I'm always so scared of when the turtles do that.

But I'm hoping. Well, actually, I know what happens

post -150, so that image makes sense and it's

not the end. Because, like you said, the turtles

are infinite. I think you're right. I think it's

going to be fine. Absolutely. And Leo says, it's

not fated. We can still decide for ourselves.

Yeah. Even with a casualty loop, we can still

change the future. Or we can try, at least. Mikey

says, yeah, but I feel like maybe the Armageddon

game is our last big hurrah, you know? I just

feel like maybe we won't bounce back from this

one. Not like we used to. It gets harder and

harder every time. All the stuff that keeps happening

to us and people we care about. Maybe we shouldn't

hold things together. What? Why would you say

that, Raph? All that stuff Kitsune's saying about

us pulling people into our orbit, and whether

they want to be there or not, and whatever. Maybe

if we go our separate ways, it'll separate, it'll

spare everyone else all the problems we keep

causing. And this causes them to think, and then

this breaks up the armor, and then, you know.

One light goes out, they all go out. Sorry. It's

a 12 days of Christmas thing. You are ready.

Rat King awaits you now. You must... Ah, here's

where you've been hiding, sister. No. Oh. Get

out. He's so terrible. Very sneaky of you, even

with your little martial art lessons. I want

you all to know that you still don't stand a

chance you never did. To be continued. And then

we get the alternate covers. Very, very cool

alternate covers. And then the TMNT Reborn Volume

7 Isolation alternate cover. And then the game

escalates. So, yeah, folks, that is, as they

say, that. Interesting to note. Yes. I'm sorry.

My last page of that book is the Armageddon game

checklist. Oh, nice. And by this point, everything

had come out except for the final issue of Armageddon

games. turtles 139 what we just read is right

before the last issue and so that's kind of interesting

i didn't catch that the last time they all had

red checks in it oh except for the bottom one

oh okay so now i i see where all of these were

tying in so technically You could do Armageddon

game next and then do Volume 8? Probably. I'm

going to let you tell me, because you've got

the trades, and so I'm going to read whatever's

in your trade. I don't mess that up. Let's see

here. Volume 8 is... More behind -the -scenes

stuff, folks. Volume 8 is... Demon 2 Reborn Volume

8. Damage done! All right. This collects... Originally

published as TMNT Annual 2023 and TMNT Issues

140 to 144. So if the final issue of Armageddon

Game came out between 139, which is the final

issue of Isolation, and 140, and there's nothing

about Armageddon Game past 140, it should be

good, I think. I think I'll have to check. I'll

have to double check, which I will do in an ad

break. So we'll be right back right after this.

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won't. All right, folks, we are back here inside

the pull bag. Episode 577. Finally figured out

what the hell we're doing. Yay. They make it

so hard. I just had to make sure it wasn't going

to continue past a certain issue number. And

we've adjusted accordingly. So, next episode,

we will be covering all of the Armageddon game,

which I have just found out is in two trade paperbacks.

The Armageddon game and the... What does it say

here? The Armageddon game and the... Who say?

The Armageddon game, The Alliance. So they, so

far, have only got the two trades. Obviously,

you have single issues, but we're not doing that.

Oh, wait. Damn it. Opening moves, Alliance. Opening

moves, Alliance, and the regular series. Okay,

well, you're going to get three trades, one podcast.

No cups. We'll make it fast. We promise. But

then again, it's usually an hour, hour and a

half sometimes, depending on, I mean, well, that

Last Ronin episode was like three hours, but

that was the Last Ronin, which we got to get

back to doing that too, because I got to look

and see when Last Ronin 2 is fully traded. The

re -evolution, as you mentioned before we went

to break, something about the new the new Last

Ronin Turtles, and I was like, wait, what? And

then I remembered, oh, right, that's... Ben Bishop.

Ah, gosh, what a lucky creator. Yeah, good old

Ben. Good old Ben Bishop. Gotta love that guy.

Alright, folks, that's gonna do it for us. Anything

you would like to say, sir, before I run through

the closing? Uh, go buy the Mirage Ears. Volume

two. The volume two reprint. That's all I got.

All right. This was great. Absolutely. Always

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So that's very awesome. Thank you. Very awesome.

Absolutely, absolutely. Join us next time. As

I mentioned, we will be discussing the Armageddon

game, the entirety of the Armageddon game, from

opening moves to last moves to middle moves to

right moves, left moves. Two minutes for high

-sticking. Crossover with Naruto. Oh, God. Don't

even get me. Oh, God. There's so many freaking

crossovers that we haven't covered. Oh, it's

so terrible. Don't even get me started. You know,

they still haven't done one yet that they're

supposed to do. I don't know if they can do it.

But it would be a perfect time for them to do

it, considering, you know, earlier this month,

he was born again. Oh, yes. I want my Daredevil.

Something you've been wanting a long time. Oh,

God. Yeah, man. You're going to have a hard time

finding me for that podcast because I'm going

to be running up and down the street naked shouting.

No, you're not. It finally happened! Look, did

you read this trade? I'm going to call the cops.

Shouldn't you be in your basement podcasting

with your other friend? No, the world has to

know they finally did it. Matt Murdock met the

turtles. That's right. I mean, if Batman can

meet the turtles, come on, Marvel. Come on, Disney.

Get your shit together. That might be the holdup

now. I mean, with the DC, it's a little easier

to get a hold of them, but if they want to cross

over with Marvel properties, they have to go

to the mouse. I mean, IDW did do... Yeah, they

published some Spider -Man kids comics. Well,

they published some Spider -Man kid comics, but

they also published some Disney adventure comics,

too. So they did have, I don't know what... I

don't know. I don't work for IDW. I don't know.

All right, that's it. I need Bobby's email. Give

me Bobby's email. I got to get that guy on the

phone. I will cut you about that off air. But

anyway, next time, as I mentioned, the Armageddon

game, the whole of the Armageddon game. What

the hell was that? I don't know. Well, that was

a crime, you cursed scrubbing pukes. And this

is the penalty. Two minutes for slashing, two

minutes for hooking, and lest I forget my personal

favorite, two minutes for a high stick. How about

a five -minute game misconduct for roughing,

pal? Hey, bogey, now who died and made you referee?

You did your job, now get out of here and let

me do mine. These JV lowlifes need to be taught

a lesson. Not like that, they don't. Not from

you. You know the lines, folks. For now, I am

TFG and Mike with... Joe Reed. As always, make

your greatest game in the comics, and we will

catch you next time. That's not creepy at all.

Thank you, Stephen Bloom. That's right. That's

right, that's right, that's right. All right,

so... Oh, it's over here. I had to move things

around. I'm like, what did I do with my drink?

I know I put my drink. It's over here on my left

now. I'm used to it over here being on my right

because I'm used to the microphone being on the

left. I'm like, where the fuck did my drink go?

Now the microphone's on the right. I don't want

to have to reach down and around the microphone.

So I'm like, wait a minute. Where'd it go? Who

stole my drink? Give me my drink back. I've got

so much stuff and action figures all over my

desk and in this room. I'm so afraid during recording

that I'm going to do something that makes this

awful, awful racket. I'll explain it when it

happens. Someday. Sorry, guys. Just playing with

my toys. Oh, we know. We've heard it before.

I've left that in before. You can't see the...

I'll shoot you a picture in Messenger here. you

cannot see the drink it's over to the left of

where where the where the mouse is there but

that's the new setup where the microphone is

now the microphone used to be on the left of

where the monitor is so now that it's on the

right and i'm like damn it i can't reach for

my drink anymore because it's not there because

it's would be under the microphone and no all

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