Star Trek Defiant #2-3

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Good That's good. That's good. Yes folks. We're

gonna be going down the defiant hole one more

time not one more time, but Continuing on our

trek into being defiant With Star Trek we have

defiant numbers two and three tonight on on the

schedule and Yeah, lore Is the cover for issue

main cover for issue two Or I should say his

head is the main cover for issue two on a stick

Yes on a stick. That's right And yeah, so we

got Star Trek, Defiant, Issues 2 and 3, like

I said, writer is Christopher Cantwell, artist

is Angel Onzueta, again, sorry if I'm mispronouncing

that, colorist is Marissa Louise, and the letter

was done by Clayton Cowles, Neil Yucatay was

the design and production, senior editor is Heather

Antos, and we start with Warf. Supplemental captains

log. It's a good thing you don't have to use

star dates for those things. Well, they do sometimes.

They do sometimes. As often. Yeah, no, that's

okay. What were you thinking before we get too

far into this? But after you read this second

issue, what were you thinking? Because between

this issue and the next one, I'm like, wait,

what? That was my reaction reading these two

issues. I was like, oh man, I think my head just

exploded. Yeah, there was a lot that happened.

Some of it predictable, some of it not. A lot

of it not. So what are your predictable points

for issue two? Well, just the... thoughts of

how more and Spock kind of work however How they

interact is slightly different. Yeah but No,

I I liked how they they work together you had,

you know basically first officers of enterprise

in various capacities of an enterprise And then

you have even though wharf wasn't quite there

yet here, but I don't know. I just I liked how

they they interacted together how they work together

and then Spock is being logical on how to use

lore to their Advantage advantage and wharf is

like you can't trust that You cannot trust that

villainous Android. But yeah, and then I thought

it was funny how they broke in. Yeah. You'll

lower. Like with the flashback and they take

all of his body parts and then they energize

him out of there and then they escape and it's

it's from the. Secret Starfleet intelligence

facility. So technically couldn't Yeah, even

if they got caught there's not much they could

do about it. Yeah, it's not supposed to exist.

Yeah, I Thought it was interesting though how

lore with the emotion chip gone. He's like I

can think clearly Exactly, but what's funny about

it is He was programmed differently and this

is this is an actual misstep on their behalf

He didn't have the emotion chip Until like after

he killed dr. Soong to get it and What's what's

even funnier about it is he had emotion before

that he was charged he was The difference between

him and data was he was malicious and could harm

people right and he could do contractions Whereas

data could say, you know instead of saying I

can't he would say I cannot I cannot you know

and Laura would go I can't yeah and so that was

like the towel of you know, who was who and They're

using the emotion ship is the reason that he's

feeling rational But I mean, I'll overlook it

in this situation just because it's interesting

how they're bringing in data's brother since

data is with Cisco. Yep. And Laura is now the

necessary evil here. Yeah. I think looking back

through this issue. My favorite design is. when

they're about to, when they're, when Spock and

Wharf are preparing to sneak into section 31

and they basically dress up like ninjas and I'm

like, okay, I want a separate series Spock and

Wharf as ninjas, please, because damn that cloak

looks good on Wharf. I know that's such a stupid,

silly thing, but Worf basically, you know, high

-flying kick to the guy here. I'm like, I already

knew Worf was a badass. Putting him in ninja

clothing makes him an even bigger badass. And

again, like you were saying, how they're working

together and how, whatever, where... Where the

part of the whole conversation between the two

of them is you can't use fate you can't even

on stun you can't and Spock is like three years

imprisonment. I did not fire my phaser. The sentence

term is the same for physical assault Oh Spock

you and your you and your logic I love Spock

and Worf as a team. I didn't know what to expect

from the two of them together, but man, this

really works. Yeah, their whole interaction is

interesting just because Spock is using the Cowboy

diplomacy and Worf has always been shoot first,

ask questions later. Yep. And as they're, uh,

they're absconding from the ship or from, from

section 31 again, literally, they, and I know

these are two and I'm mixing my, my genres here,

folks. I do that a lot, but it's only because

recently in the last couple of weeks, we did

our first full, uh, GI Joe review on the show.

We did GI Joe world on fire with myself and Eduardo.

As they're running away from Section 31 and making

their escape, you see Worf and Spock, and I'm

like, holy crap, it's Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow.

It really isn't Storm Shadow, because it's two

people dressed in black instead of one white,

one black. But literally, I'm like, yeah, Worf

and Spock could be GI Joe characters right now.

But suffice it to say, it's rather interesting.

How it kind of plays out? Yeah, no, it's it's

very interesting again This is what I said in

in issue one where you know, they go back and

they get him, you know Get him is on his arm

and his the only thing it'll cost you is an arm

and a leg and I'm like So Lord decides to help

them. We get the all -important level five communique

Orion pirate activity report, which again, I'm

sorry. I check out. I don't know why, but I check

out when these pages come up. I probably shouldn't

because it probably has, you know, really pertinent

information, but I just do. I don't think the

L -car is, other than like a beginning, like

in the middle of the book, I don't think it works

for me. I don't know. I don't mind it, but yeah,

I mean, I get it. So we are, they, let's see,

they're flying through space, why are they flying

through, well of course they're flying through

space. They're going to meet with the Orions.

Oh right, the pirates, yep. The pirates. Yar,

space pirates, yar. Again, the art is absolutely

fantastic, absolutely love this. And I love as

they're going through the stuff here. Everyone's

like, pull back, pull back. No, the only way

out is through row. Find a hole. She finds a

hole. All right. We're on the other side of the

blockade somehow. And there's the scarab. What

do you think of the ship design for the scarab?

I don't like it. OK. It's just too much red for

one. And then two, it's. I don't know, it looks

like some kind of a really bad pterodactyl. Yeah,

I was thinking it looks like a really really

poor version of an Aerosmith cover But yeah,

that's about then the Orion there kind of reminds

me of like some bad DC Comics hero. Yeah Orion

was was Darkseid's son. So yeah, this is what

it is, I guess So they leave row to do everything

because again this whole super secret mission

and they can't be found out in all of this but

they're secretly giving her, Worf is secretly

giving her instructions on certain things to

do like fire this or fire that and they are ignoring

the hail from From the ship here and then they

finally answer it and it's like oh little green

men in space Now who are these the oh these are

the pirates that's right thoughts on the pirates

I don't really care for them. I've never been

if I've never been a fan of the orions Okay Especially

in this based on the fact that one they have

The the hair but to these weird funky costumes

Yeah, those costumes are a little out there aren't

they yeah I mean, you know, you need Starfleet

to have some sort of uniform and every I like

however it like you get the shot here of Spock

and wharf and Bellari and Belisi or whatever

her name is Like how each of their uniforms is

different to them, but then you get the Oriens

and it's like Who dressed you today? Did you

really put on your own clothes? What do you think

of the Transporter the the energized effects?

I mean it looks pretty standard. Yeah, I mean

I just like how it's I like the transition of

colors because you have the color of the Defiance

transporter room versus the color of the enemy

ship or whatever and I like that quick change

between the panels. Yeah, these little green

men are ugly. Just... yeah... I don't know. And

so they get to the ship and then... They're basically

like, yeah, so you're gonna, you know, surrender,

right? And oh, so they also, they're bringing

with them Trilithium, and it's supposed to be

true Trilithium, but they're gonna fool them,

or they're supposed to be fooling them with it.

And yeah, I do love how it ends where Rose like...

Mm -hmm play it by ear, huh? Well, I'll tell

you wharf right now. I can't hear a damn thing.

I think it's funny How they get captured and

then yep, and then I love the cover for the next

issue. Yeah the the Spock in the captain's chair.

Yeah, so issue two I really dug it again I started

to kind of sort of get lost but then I found

myself again with the story And again, what I

like most about this is we essentially have two

characters that in the history of the franchise

probably have never like Spock and Worf. I don't

think they ever did anything together in the

past, right? Like outside of this. Yeah, they've

never met. Yeah, they've never met because obviously

two very different generations. Now Worf's grandfather,

Colonel Worf. represented Kirk and McCoy at their,

their tribunal in Star Trek six, the undiscovered

country. Right. But that's not Lieutenant Commander

Wharf of the USS enterprise D. Correct? That's

his grandfather. That's his grandfather. There

is that familial connection there. Right. Yeah.

But like the wharf we know and love voiced by

Michael Dorn had never interacted with Spock,

obviously Leonard Nimoy. May the man rest in

peace. But yeah, so second issue. Final thoughts

before we get to issue three. I don't know. I

just, I liked where it was kind of heading. Me

too. Yeah, I mean, again, we have a little bit

more set up in issue two, but it's also gearing

more towards the action side of it. And all of

that in issue three. Now originally, Again, cause

I'm half blind most of the time. I didn't remember

that this was Spock. I kept thinking for some

odd reason, my eyes were like, why does Percard

have a weird comb over? Every time I saw this

cover, I was like, wait, what? Go ahead. No,

I was just saying I didn't get that vibe at all

So we start off in issue 3 where we left off

in issue 2 with them being captured by the pirates

and Yeah Then we have Spock being the commander

Yep So I guess we mentioned this in the last

episode in issue 1 We should probably discuss

it here. You did this whole history lesson on

the Cloaking of the defiant and how you didn't

think that this one should have a cloak since

Didn't it was destroyed in the other version,

but yet Spock is saying we are cloaked stay in

transporter range Yeah, this ship technically

doesn't have one anymore because this is the

second ship Well in this universe it does but

it works for them in this universe I think I

don't think it really matters the cotton like

we were trying to figure out in the first issue

like What's the continuity was this what's that

I? Could be wrong Usually I am wrong But I think

they're just creating their own continuity. I

don't think they're trying to really push this

into specifics of what's already happened. If

it's two years after Cisco disappeared and he's

come back, this would be the second defiant.

Okay. So there wouldn't be a cloak, but hindsight.

Yes, hindsight. So Spock is trying to reach Worf

on the ship and... Hi, I just I love him and

his Him and his logic and you know, we talked

about how fire wait a minute Is he doing all

of this at once? There's nobody else on the ship.

Well, he's He is Spock. I mean, I know he's Spock,

but you usually have to have some sort of Scotty

or Jordy or whatever like you have to have some

sort of Like the crew that they have I know it's

a small crew, but they didn't leave anybody behind

With Spock and he's like this whole giant panel

here will be The thing about the Defiant is you

don't need a lot of people to run it. Okay? However

That's still a lot of stuff for one, dude Yeah

So I do get it, but he's of the old guard. And

so in that case. In that case. He's he's going

to be a little bit faster, even for an old guy.

Yeah, it's not the fact that he's old, that that.

This isn't this is more of a question of. More

of disbelief than anything else, I guess. I mean,

I know Spock's a super genius and everything,

but I didn't really realize like he could basically

run the whole ship. Okay. It's a cool panel.

I mean, you see him darting from here to there

to the like he enters the the the engineering

room or whatever this is and he's like I'm gonna

go here here and here and do this and do that

and do this and But with the warp core already

experiencing polarity fluctuations top speed

Yeah, I am so disinterested in these pirates

I'll be happy when you know Yeah, they're not

dealing with them, which you know, there's a

battle between Balaana Torres and them and yeah

in row and then You know wharf is pretty much

down for the count until one of the orions gives

him Klingon adrenaline And she says, it's the

sacrament. Those those red path creeps are all

hopped up on the blood of Kalis or something.

Yeah. And she says, you're not giving him that.

Relax. It's not some holy mystery. It's Klingon

adrenaline. I still don't trust you. You know,

and then they go back and forth and then she

pins down all the rest of them. You know, trust

me now. Fine. Do it. Gives it to him. And then

work goes. And then just starts going like Banshee

on him. Yep. Meanwhile war is you know doing

that and Spock is making a Team up of his own.

Yes. Yes, he is Which is really really fun And

then spot goes in there I will lay down some

very important ground rules you will do as I

say You will do only as I say right? No problem.

How many minutes before the ship explodes again?

Mm -hmm, and then you know Spock sets them up

and then he says See Spock now you've got a helping

hand and all it'll cost you is an arm and a leg.

Yeah, you know trying to be sarcastic and yeah,

I And then you know, of course they all get back

to the ship. Why aren't you on the bridge? captain

Captain more if you're in severe need of need

to get to the bridge and create Klingon adrenaline

more than usual as it would seem a buttload of

it pretty much. Yeah. And then the captain is

about to discover something that will anger him

even further. I wait you captain. I'm so glad

you survived. Welcome back, sir. You know, he

falls to the deck. Captain. Yeah, that's not

good. I'm hoping they give lore that redemption.

Yeah, I mean. It's not, you know, I mean, they

are kind of giving him that. Yeah, but it'll

be interesting to see what they what they do

with the character as we progress. Yeah. And

that's, yeah, I'm very interested to see that.

But man, it only took him three issues to kill

Worf, supposedly kill him, but... They're not

killing him. They better not. This issue, hoo,

boy. Between the pirates... And everything else,

man. I can't say enough good things about the

art. The art's amazing. The lines and the drawing

and the way the characters are designed. The

way light is used in this series, specifically

on Spock, on various things, where sometimes

he looks young, sometimes he looks old, sometimes

he looks T .O .S., sometimes he looks Big Bang

Theory. Like... It's just... So fun and like

I mentioned earlier about wharf and spock together

like yeah, I could see Star trek ninja academy

captain wharf and captain spock I could I could

see them on some sort of ninja adventure somewhere

in those black suits that that's hilariously

cool But again good good cliffhanger to you know,

have us keep coming back for more I know and

I was going man. I want another one Yep. And

then, yeah, so next cover for next issue. Ooh,

boy, Worf. Worf's looking pretty rough there.

Yep. And then I love this little ad. For the

annual? Yeah, so we're going to have to cover

that at some point. Don't know when it's coming

out, but I'll figure it out later. I'm kind of

excited for it. Just because yeah It's per card.

It's Kirk. It's Cisco. It's literally every Starfleet

captain that we've gotten a TV show about. Mm

-hmm. Yep Except it's funny because then we we

get Scotty young Scotty we get to Bach and O

'Brien in the background there. Mm -hmm, but

we get Captain Pike, we get Jonathan Archer,

we get Giorgio, we get Janeway, we get a different

version of Pike in the background behind Giorgio,

and we get Chris Pinekirk, and Shatner Kirk,

and Picard. And then we see different enterprises

showing up in the background. The 1701 and then

we get the Chris Pine Kelvin universe Enterprise

and then we get the Enterprise D back there so

it's I don't know it's it's gonna be interesting

to see what They do. I know that it's a holodeck

recreation. Yeah, it's a kind of taken on an

adventure, but Yeah, I think it's to learn something

from the captains of the Enterprise and some

of these other ships that have had to undergo

Great personal difficulty Yeah, absolutely and

I said a second ago. I'm like, I don't know when

this is coming, but I can't wait I'm like you

idiot. Just scroll down Star Trek checklist the

explosive saga of Cisco's USS Theseus and warfs

hand -picked squad continues monthly in the pages

of Star Trek and Star Trek Defiant and building

to the epic five issue crossover Star Trek day

of blood day of blood. Yeah, so this month In

May, folks, we got the Free Conflict Day Prelude

to Day of Blood, which I don't know how we're

going to get our hands on that. I don't know

if IDW is going to have it on the server at all

because it's a Free Conflict Day issue or whatever.

Defiant number three, which we just talked about,

we've got to catch up on Star Trek. We've got

to do six, seven, and eight now. And then the

annual comes out at the end of May in June. We

have Defiant number four and Star Trek number

nine July is Defiant five Star Trek ten and then

Star Trek volume one God shock collect Star Trek

one through six For day of blood we have number

ones coming out in July in July comics, right?

Defiant number six Star Trek 11 and then Star

Trek Defiant Number... Shouldn't that say number

12, not number 1? Huh. Okay, well, whatever.

But yeah, it's basically a summer of Star Trek,

folks, for comics. So. Very cool, very cool.

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Defiant issues number two and three. Final thoughts

from you, sir? I enjoyed where this went, although

not a whole lot happened. Yeah. I'm looking forward

to seeing where they go from here. Yeah. I'm

glad we're doing these into potentially three,

depending on when I get my hands on issue eight,

because right now we do have six and seven, and

that will be, well. That's the other series That'll

be the next episode for six and seven, but I

love doing these kind of like double -shotting

them where we can You know kind of look at two

like That both the ends of these issues Defiant

2 and Defiant 3 I'm like, I'm so glad I'm not

waiting every month for this because I would

be literally on the edge of my seat all of the

time Both of these cliffhangers at the end of

these issues was like holy crap. Give me more

now So they've done really well Yeah, I mean,

I'm really like I said an issue one. Holy crap.

This is my Star Trek I'm at this point. I'm just

using you Like Steve, I don't get this explain

it. That's yes you matter your opinion matters

all that but like for me it's like okay I read

it now explain to me why I like this the continuity

exactly give me the history but again like I

said it just these these these two issues and

then the first issue like all of them so far

have been really, really interesting, and I can't

wait to get back to the main series when we discuss

issues 6 and 7, potentially 8. I don't know if

8 is out as of this recording, but we'll see

what happens. With that, any other final thoughts

you would like to say, sir? No, I don't think

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