Immortal Orphans Review

Wake up, wake up, wake up. Ow. Nobody laughs

at that anymore. I'm over here slapping myself

and saying ow and nobody laughs anymore. Oh,

sorry. Haha. Enjoy your time. You're funny. No,

normally I'll do like right before I start into

the intro I'll go wake up, wake up, wake up.

But lately I've been adding wake up, wake up,

wake up. Ow. Nobody laughs at that anymore. It's

like, I don't know. Well, we're all become cynical

really, haven't we? Become? I've been cynical

since 1998 maybe? I don't know. I don't know.

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Hello and welcome to The Pull Bag. This is episode

502. That's right, folks, 502. You dial 502 -585

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Kentucky. Yes, 502 is the main area code for

Louisville. I am, of course, TF2 and Mike. Joining

me is someone not from America who is over there

in the Irish Isles. He actually just moved across

country it is Mikey from moon base to hello sir

hello I have no idea what you're talking about

so I'm just like uh -huh uh -huh that's that's

what you know that's that's uh -huh yes yes yes

yes so it's been a while since we've done an

immortal orphans issue from Carter man and we've

had this for a while now I just realized his

name is Carter man which feels like it should

be a character in this You know, hey hold he

kind of kind of is a character in this between

Between Gannion and and Quinn it's like I hear

cuz Carter was on for those that don't know for

those that haven't listened to our other immortal

orphans episodes First of all go listen to those

so you can catch up on that second of all He

was on the radio for a number of years. So he

was a reuse a morning radio personality and and

all that I think he had a I'm sorry, Carter.

Don't yell at me. I believe he had a 30 -year

career in radio or something like that. And I

had first found him in 2016 when he was on a

station in Louisville, 1077, the Eagle was, you

know, classic rock kind of stuff. It was, you

know, not 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s rock, whatever.

And I just, I loved his style and loved the way

he sounded. And I've got all kinds of other clips

of him that I've recorded off the radio and everything

else. And yeah, no, he's, he's the character

we know and love. And yeah, I, when I'm reading

this, I'm like, yep, I can hear his voice in

my head. Just like we can all hear the late great

other person in our head. Whenever we watch Batman

or read Batman, because yeah, that happened.

But yes, it has been, uh, Ooh. It's been over

a year since we recorded issues three and four,

October of last year. It's been a while, folks.

A lot has happened. We are prompt and timely.

Yes. Yes. No, not really. Not at all. Are you

kidding? Forget about it. I can't keep up with

it. No, you'll get it when you get it. You'll

get it when I'm good and ready to give it to

you. That's pretty much what it is, right? Oh

God. But yes, Carter man's immortal orphans issue

five. I got to the end of this and I'm like,

you bastard. We'll talk about that. But, uh,

it's like, yeah, you, you bastard. You don't

do that. But he did what he did. Art style is.

What he's used his whole time. I still love his

art style. It's very unique very interesting

We start where I guess I should have read issue

the end of issue four before I started into this

because it's been a year and I don't remember

but science boy science and we Good. No, I just

want to say science Science boy and his magical

bag of science See what I did there? And we basically

get a sort of history of who Julian Durand is

and we get psychops at the door. Oh boy. Zombie

cops. What? Where? Oh, man. And as this issue

progresses, they have a fight with the zombie

cops. So it's Quinn the Lucky, Science Boy, Ganyan,

Liberty, Hernia Man, and Artie. I think Artie

is still my favorite out of them all. The robot.

I don't know. Maybe it's the Transformers fan

in me. I don't know. And yeah, we have the fight

and, and, you know, Gannion does all kinds of

stuff and Quinn the lucky basically is just like,

stay behind me. It'll be fine. You know, you,

you really don't want to get too close to me.

And I love, I love the way that Carter created

Quinn the lucky because he doesn't have to do

anything. He has this mysticism about like he

doesn't throw punches my you know this again

is for like you know throw gannion there to do

whatever like like. The the panel before where

gannions rip in the wires out of the zombie cop

like he's just like. Yoink but quinn he doesn't

do anything you stand next to him if you're a

bad guy or if you're whatever and then just bad

stuff happens to you. Don't feel sorry for the

zombie cop because he's a no, you know And I

need to preface this before somebody hears that

it's a zombie cop It's not a real cop. This is

fiction. This is not I You know I'm not iced

tea Or ice cube or whatever ice you want to talk

about that always you know used to say What what

they used to say i'm not whatever ice you're

talking about exactly this is not the ice you're

looking for. But you know that i love how carter

describes. The images we're seeing you know as

it takes a step towards quinn its leg just turns

to dust as the other arm falls to the floor lake

and we're seeing this and. I'm not really good

with blood guts and gore, but the way his art

style is. I don't have a problem with like, it

doesn't cause I know Carter is going for. Yes,

this is a serious thing. Yes, there are serious

issues in this complex series, but in this issue,

in this scene, it's played more for the funny.

I mean, I'm sure he could have drawn it way more

grotesque than what it is, but because he didn't.

I'm perfectly fine with it. What are you thinking

up to the point of this this them versus the

zombie cops? It's an interesting one. I like

the designs of the cops themselves They're mostly

the same but there's quite a lot like uniqueness

in the head. Mm -hmm and I think that I think

it's kind of interesting to start with Like a

brief overview of Durand and then go straight

into this kind of action scene I think it could

I think it does a good job showing off like the

powers and I think yeah the luck one the way

the luck power works I thought that was well

handled just like uh well yeah no everything's

just falling off because luck or telekinesis

style or every whatever you want to call it um

it's got like something he does what like I would

never say like he does like what's the word I'm

looking for um tactile violence Like, I never

feel the action scenes would be how I'd say it.

The action scenes are very much present, but

I don't feel them in the moment. But that works

because it means like the arm falling off. It's

not supposed to be gross. You're not supposed

to be grossed out by it or anything like that.

It's set up to like just like it's just there

to be a demonstration of like, yeah, picking

a fight with this guy is just never a good idea.

Exactly. Like, like he says, you don't want to

point that, that, that gun at me because, you

know, it's not going to go well for you. And

it's in a way where, and I love, and I think

this is crazy, but the zombie cops, the way they're

designed, you have the. I'm sorry, Carter, but

these are just my own personal descriptors of

these things on the left in the, in the reveal.

You have basically what is the. fat oath security

guard looking cop, which is the one that gets,

gets his arm and leg and whatever later, you've

got the one that kind of looks like a terminator.

You get the skull and crossbones one, and then

you get a recruit on the far right. And I'm like,

that's a look that Carter probably the, the hair

and the little, that's not a goatee, but the

little peach fuzz on his chin. Like, like, like

that's probably a look Carter rocked at some

point. Cause I look at that recruit and I'm like,

Holy shit, Carter painted his face green. So

when we get to, yeah, you're right. It's not,

it's more cartoon violence. It's more like, you

know, I think the darkest thing I ever saw in

Looney Tunes was in Easter Yags. Easter eggs.

This is the bugs bunny one. This is the Easter

one where the Easter bunny Every year I get some

dumb money to do my work. And you know, Bugs

has to go around, Easter eggs, Easter eggs. Well

he gets to this house where all these criminals

are and this little kid is like, give me an Easter

egg, give me an Easter egg, give me an - and

I'm doing a really bad impression. Whatever else,

but it's this little kid, this little annoying

kid, like, and the kid comes up and bats it.

Oh, you broke my little eye on you. But when

we first see this kid, when Bugs is first introduced.

The kid is laying in a crib that is made out

of probably a cigarette. I forget, I've got the

image on Facebook somewhere, but the kid is laying

in a crib that's made out of a cigarette or cigar

box or whatever. And he's actually using a pistol

as a pacifier. Like he's sucking on the end of

the gun, but he's holding the, like, yeah, this

isn't like that. This is like, this is cartoon

violence where it's like. Oh, that poor idiot

zombie cop. He just, you know, and yeah. And

the sad thing is I called him a security guard.

Oh, and I'm looking at his design as his arm

falls off again. And I'm, I don't want to focus

on this, but I can't help now that I'm looking

at it. I'm like, holy crap. That was spark plug

wiki. Oh my God. Look at the panel. Yup. Look

at the panel. where his left arm falls off. He's

got the blue jeans and the yellow boots. How

could you not think that that's spark plug from

transform because it couldn't be spike. He's

too fat to be spike, but he's too old. But, but

yeah, no, I, I love Carter's style. I think the

guy, I think the two most, yeah, the two most

violent scenes in this issue are when right.

at the end of this panel where Quinn basically

slices his head off, kind of felt that a little

bit, but like, ooh, yikes. All right. And that's

the one where science was like, you know, you're

going to have to explain this luck thing or whatever

at some point. And then right after that, you

see Artie with the skull and crossbones and basically

just pushing his or her, because I don't remember,

I think. They call him, I think they call Artie

him, but I could be wrong and Carter, I'm sorry.

They do generally refer to Artie with male pronouns

and stuff like that. Okay. Well, I, you know,

I don't want to offend the robot. I don't want

the robot to put its tentacles in me. But basically

Artie is - You're one of the few who says that

these days. No, no. No. I appreciate the offer.

It is not in my realm of interest. Thank you

for your time for the role. Please call again.

No, just no. But my point is, is I think that

they're not alive more machine than corpse, but

like. I think that's, that's a good like, I love

when comic creators do that or when creators

in general will do that. They will say like,

and then we'll have stories other, otherwise,

you know, elsewhere, like, oh, robots can kind

of be alive. Sort of there are sentient beings

in the world. We just have to, you know, wait

for them. That's a bad optimist prime joke, everybody.

And, you know, but it's like, I love that distinction

of. These guys aren't human anymore. You're technically

killing them, but they're not really alive already.

So technically, I don't know what that would...

You're the science guy. What kind of science

is that, Mikey? Necromancy? Probably, yeah. I

thought that was more bodily fluid related, but

anyway. It's basically like the dead alive. Yeah.

I would say once you're into something like this,

science kind of goes out the window. Yeah, kind

of. What's the science behind these zombies?

Please explain. I mean, there are technically

zombies in the real world, but it's more insects

than people. So far. So far, yeah. I mean technically

people do dress up as zombies and you know for

cosplay and things like that But that's only

because they've seen it in the movies and stuff.

Yeah, but the the last of us came from somewhere.

Yeah, I I know the recruit is a zombie and And

I get it. He works for Julian, but I kind of

feel sad. And it's only because, well, it's only

because I feel sorry for him because it's only

because he kind of looks like Carter. And it's

like, holy crap, that's an evil version of Carter,

but he's only a recruit. He's trying to learn

the like it. It's like, uh, Colin Farrell in

the movie, the recruit, whatever. I don't know.

It's just weird. So as we move along here, uh,

Quinn wants a high five for the, you know, for

the, you know, tic tac, you know, all that. And

she's like, I'm not high fiving you for that.

And, you know, we better move because Julian

will send more people. And we have a secret passage.

And then we get to the 70s, folks. Dark times.

Carter? Well, no, no. Well, yeah, it was. But

like, Carter and this portal Loomis the inside

the portal Loomis stuff and what he says here

in the in the in the thing With your eyes rested

from our last visit We can now take another peek

at the curious dimension on the other side of

the portal Loomis portal as your eyes begin to

focus you can make out three familiar forms your

human eyes translate what they can but Not no

two humans will see things alike So we get to

the port of Loomis portal and we get these three,

what did I call them last time? Blobs or globs

or energy beings or whatever they are. But like,

as he's saying about my eyes, like this whole

scene, we get to the, I'm only skipping to the

end just for this part. And I'm, we, we, we can

talk about this scene in a second, but the, at

the end of it, before it goes back to the normal

part of the story, the images begin to fade as

your eyes tire from overstimulation. When I read

this last night, I literally started yawning

at the end of this panel. Like, I couldn't keep...

He played an eye trick on me, you bastard, Carter

man! But no, so we get to the Port -a -Lumis,

the other side of the Port -a -Lumis, and...

Udemonia? Yeah, don't ask me to pronounce that

one. Yeah, I don't know how to do that either,

so I'm sure Carter will write an email or do

a message or whatever and tell me what it is,

but... Uh, so yeah, we get, uh, you know, Hadeon

and their parents and, you know, we've made a

decision regarding the upcoming coming Port -a

-Lumis event. You're not going to be attending.

You're basically, you're grounded. You know,

I earned my spot on the team. We know you did.

This isn't about your qualifications. We just

thought it best to give you some distance from

the event. Oh boy. Thoughts. This one is an interesting

scene. In part because it feels weirdly Marvel.

Especially like the next time we visit these,

it's definitely got that like someone being manipulated

by Loki vibe. It's, you know, the beings that

exist outside what we consider normal, but have

clearly been there before and are clearly, you

know, they're the Greek gods. And yeah, it's

like, what's going to happen? Like, I'm currently

thinking that when they come through, Haydn's

going to be like, given a human form or something

like that. But I am very curious to see how this

plays out. Yeah. And it's interesting to see

it's again, like, there's a lot of emphasis on

parental stuff in these books. And I think that

definitely comes across, you know, you go from

this scene with the parents who are, like, chastising

their child to the next scene, which is the parents

who abused their children. Yeah. So it's an interesting

one. It is an interesting one how it's playing

out. I'm curious. I'm very curious to see where

these go on. And I do like that there's quite

a lot of emotion being conveyed in a scene of

three balls. Yeah. It's really awesome and it's

really fun and it's really a point of oh my god

these used to look like you said i believe he

even said folks has been a year since we covered

this series initially so i believe yes you are

right and saying that these used to be the gods

and they even say that near as well so these

used to be sort of quote unquote people but now

they're just these. You know energy spheres or

whatever and the sad thing is as I'm just looking

through this section of the of issue five here

Like the reality stone the soul stone the this

like literally I'm getting any stone vibes off

the designs of the balls now at this point Your

balls are the infinity stones So we get back

to the Duran Center and yeah, you're right. Like

this guy, man, he just does not, he cares, but

he cares in all the wrong ways. Yeah. He's what

we call like the person who the classic example

of the parent who assumes that their children

are an extension of themselves. Yep. And so acts

like it like. Don't have to be kind to my children.

I don't have to be kind to my wife because they're

basically all just me but not quite as cool And

you know, obviously it's a wee bit more complicated

than that in real life yeah, but even though

like Even though it's a little bit more complicated

like that in real life still this plays very

well like he does like What he's trying to do

with his kids, it's like, oh my God, you're turning

them into weapons. I don't know. And I keep forgetting

that this is the very, very far flung future.

But the whole time that I like the whole time

I'm reading this, I'm like, okay. There's the

father. There's the, the son and two daughters.

Uh huh. Uh, I'm like, wait, Julian Duran jr.

Of Monica. Is that you? Like seriously. And he,

he has said so in himself. Like Julian is supposed

to be orange. Like I'll say, uh, cause you know,

but, uh, And I love how the the oldest daughter

is like, please just just kill me. Just just

put me out of my misery. Like, you know. It's

just it's just crazy what what he is. You know,

they basically tell him you're you're insane.

Oh, completely dehumanized everyone around him.

Yeah, yeah. And that's not good. No, it's not.

I recommend. No, well, I mean Julian is not exactly

a good guy He is the villain of the story, but

it's like, you know, it's like oh my god you

monster You're like like they say you're insane.

You're this you're that and it's like wow I do

like though How I see cuz I and I'll have to

I think I I think I sent you some of the Carter

clips I have so you can hear how he actually

but if I have it I'll do so I know you did it

was a good one. Yeah, yeah, but like When I when

I see him write stuff like oh, yeah, I'm gonna

call you guys together three way I swear I don't

play any of these names I, he, he has said things

like that before. So, you know, it's like, again,

he, you know, in the, almost every, every character,

like between Julian, uh, Quinn and Ganyan. I'm

like, OK, those are all like Carter, those are

all like kind of his personality between those

three. And I don't say that his personality is

an evil dictator. I'm not saying that. I'm just

saying the way that they talk. Hey now. I'm not

saying he's an evil dictator. He's planning on

turning against us. But I'm also not not saying

that. Yes, I'm just asking questions Uh -huh.

Is he about to pull a gun and doom us all I'm

not saying he is going to do it, but I am wondering

if you will So we get back to Quinn the lucky

and Ghanian and Liberty and they all have a suit

up scene because we need Everyone that needs

one grab a wingsuit. Oh boy the wing suits Nice

designs though Therefore what they're what we

call form -fitting. Yes very much so But at least

they work and hey look there's uh, there's there's

the cat I would I did laugh that I was just like,

oh my god I I thought that was so cool. Eat the

kitty. Yep At least it's on the front not on

his back I mean, because, you know, if you put

the cat on your back, then, you know, you're

going to get scratched or something's going to

happen or whatever, because you can't see what

it's doing. But, you know, obviously, baby carrier,

et cetera, et cetera. But I thought that was

great. I thought that was really cool. No, it

was good to laugh. And I love the fact it's a

purple cat. I don't know why I like that so much,

but I do like it. Yeah. Purple cats rule. So

they're going into battle and they are gonna

go into you know, find Julian and destroy the

police and and and all that and I just Once again,

we could turn this into the into the cat podcast

the purple cat podcast because when we first

see the cat on Quinn's chest she's kind of like

Like she's confused. And then the next time we

see her is when he's, you know, jumping away

from the explosion and the cash is like, Oh,

so I love that. And I love how the zombie cops

are skydiving as well. The scene like approaching

suspect and he's coming after science boy. It's

hilarious. I've always wanted to skydive. I never

have. I actually had a chance to do it in high

school, but I just couldn't afford it at the

time. Yeah, I've always wanted to do it and I

blame, and I already mentioned one voice with

Batman and the loss of Kevin Conroy, but I'll

mention another one. I blame Jason David Frank.

May the man rest in peace. But Tommy Oliver?

Oh yeah. 1995. Like that that sky surfing scene

at that skydiving is like I've always when I

was in middle school You know close to high school

at that point in time. So between somewhere between

95 and 99. I was like Yeah, I want to do this

one of these days and I never have but I always

love Skydiving scenes. I think they're so cool.

I love them Say what you will about it, but I

love the movie drop zone with Wesley Snipes.

Oh, man. It was so cool And I love how Carter

just puts them in shadow and gets the, like,

you see the characters, but the focus is supposed

to be on what they're saying. So Artie says,

teleporting while in a near free fall, pretty

reckless move this early in your training. Well

done. Oh, thanks, Gearbox. Have I got any nano

powers that can get me out of this situation?

You know, I just love that. the again you're

focusing on where they are and what they're doing

and what they're saying more so than the character

designs because we've seen those already yeah

it's very much um tying it it's an interesting

approach to visual storytelling because it's

actually not necessarily about the visuals it's

about drawing your eyes away from what's happening

in a way it's like okay what are they saying

rather than what are they doing that matters

more yes yeah And already accesses Ganyan's quantum

system. And yeah, the zombie explodes and I love

the effect. I love the way, I love the way this

panel is drawn. Like the pop, like that, the

panel, like as he's quote unquote standing there

and you see the, the green skeleton of the zombie.

And I'm like, Blight is Batman gonna show up

because blight kind of was a green, you know,

Terry McGinnis gonna be around here somewhere.

But I mean, I wouldn't mind. Yeah, sure. But

still that that would be a copyright thing and

all that. But yeah, I love the I love the way

that that Carter drew this. I love the way that

he colored it. I think is such a nice effect

of of basically blowing up a skeleton. And I

didn't know that Nanotech could potentially cure

zombie -ism. In Nanotech, the thing in sci -fi

is basically, do you need something to be done?

Yes, nanomachines, son. If you need it done,

tiny robots will do it. Doesn't matter if it's

logical that the robots can do it, but the robots

will do it. We only have to wonder folks. Will

it be the robots or the zombies? Let's hope it's

the Let's hope it's humanity actually, but I'm

a robot No No No, no, no And liberty is like

rude these were, you know Citizens of Shangri

-La have some respect and he's like, Oh, my apologies.

I'll try to remember that while I'm picking the

chunks of his dead face out of my teeth. It's

like, it's such a tongue in cheek writing sometimes

in this book. Just like absolutely wearing it

on its sleeve. Oh yeah, absolutely. And we've

talked about that in the other podcasts where

basically, I mean, yes, this is, this has serious

issues. Yes, he is. trying to not necessarily

send us a message but he is telling a story with

a deeper message but when we get to these comedy

bits it's like oh wow you put that in a comic

book that's amazing like you know and the skydiving

this fight scene does not feel like it like some

fight scenes in comics feel like they take forever

and i think That's because some of them aren't

as comedic as they maybe could be. And I get

it. Battle scenes are not supposed to be comedic,

but the way that Carter writes and draws and

whatever else, and the characters that are in

this, it's like, you know, you got to have, I

mean, the man has kind of built his career on

comedy. So we've got a zombie cop on the top

of Liberty and somebody get this piece of shit

off of me. In comes hernia, man. The hero we

didn't deserve. Yep. It's the hero we needed.

I love Gideon. Wow, Liberty, did you just call

that revered officer of the piece a piece of

shit? Poor guy was just trying to have a civic

-minded afterlife. That's good writing. I have

a thing about subverting expectations of writing.

It's frequently a lazy thing to do. Because it's

like, what could I do that's not expected? Does

what you're doing that's not expected make sense?

No, then you shouldn't do it. Hello, Game of

Thrones. But this is the clever thing. Well,

you set her up now that she's all about their

humanity and just like, wait, no, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it off me, get it off me, get it off

me, get it It's a zombie who is dead who is going

to kill Liberty like Don't give me Liberty. Don't

give me death Come on You gonna apologize for

that one or no So we go back to the other side

of the portal Loomis You want to take this cuz

this is a lot. Yeah, this is again that Loki

vibe. It's just like it turns out that You know

the Hermes Said something they shouldn't I thought

it was all because they were trying to misdirect

and be tricky and it's like I'm gonna help you

go to the earth But you're gonna regret it, but

I'm still gonna do it cuz I'm trying to stir

the pot Again very much tied into the mythology

of like Greek mythology and like Hermes was Hermes

like a lot of gods in Greek mythology We know

them by one or two aspects of him like Hermes

was a messenger of the gods of the big one But

yeah, he was also like a god of thieves like,

you know of spiriting things away So it's nice

to have this inclusion of that aspect of the

character And yeah, it's like, it is very low

key. It is very much like you. I feel like Hermes

has an agenda. And Hermes is manipulating someone

who can't stand up to him or isn't smart enough

or isn't old enough. Or it's just like the hyperactive

teen who needs to prove to their parents that

they're the top dog. When, you know, teenagers

are never the top dog. Teenagers are idiots.

We all were. That's just what it means to be

young. So it's it's an in again. It's like it's

interesting from the point of view of the mythology

and also like I said like that this feels like

Carter with is is very much trying to emulate

the the the Loki Thor stuff Yeah, and it's probably

the only time I've actually cared about Loki

kind of like seriously pretty just he's so pretty

A pretty face only gets you so far. But his is

a very pretty face, as everyone tells me. Yes,

yes, yes. I like him better in Kong, in Kong

Skull Island myself, but... I don't know. I'm

not a, like... This has nothing to do with Carter's

comic. This has more to do with since you brought

up the Marvel stuff. Unless Thor is with the

Avengers, I just don't care. I don't care about

his world. I don't dislike it. I just... I guess

I'm ambivalent to it? I don't know, I just don't

- He's very tied into his writers. He's one of

those characters who is very much like, if he's

not being written by the right person, you are

wasting your time. Yeah, yeah. And the Dark World

was a huge waste of time. It weren't great. It

weren't a great movie. Then again, Marvel's very

much moving into what I'm calling it's not great

period, but - Well, I think we're coming out

of that. Well, they said something like after

the current phase, they're canceling a lot of

their existing projects just because of like,

relatively, it was the worst earning period they

had. Yeah. So back to Hermes and Hanion. I just

I love this the way that like The way that they're

talking and the way that he draws like, so when

this panel starts, you have Hermes and Hadeon

and they're kind of just like floating there

and whatever else you get to the second part

of the panel and Hermes is like, they have some

like they've connected somehow. You have this

line of green slash purple constructicon energy

between the two of them. And I was like, Oh,

well, that's interesting. So who is, I assume

I'm trying to see from the drawing, I assume

it is coming out of Hermes and going into Hadeon.

Yeah. I think that's yeah. Yeah. Cause Hermes

is trying to, I don't want to say infect him,

but, but that's the only term I can think of.

I mean, it's fairly accurate. I guess. And Hadion

thanks him and says he's the best and don't thank

me yet. You still may come to regret your decision.

And isn't that the truth? No, seriously. Like,

and that's what I love about Carter and the way

that he's done this series, the way that he's

created this series. He is talking about real

world issues and he's basically masking it with

comedy for the most part. Very, very much. But

that's good though. That's a good sign of the

writing. That's a good sign of, of the story

that he's creating. And he has these two very

different, he has all these various characters

between Julian and, and Quinn and, and, and Gannion

and Hadeon and her, like between the Port of

Loomis characters and the human, human characters.

Uh, you know, you have all of these sides of

a conversation that is being written by a guy

who. Sees all the angles. Yeah, he's coming at

you at like with One person doing so many different

points of view is is amazing. It's really cool

and it's fun It's he takes on a lot like he he

very much seems to have taken the approach of

I Can throw in as much as I want into this? And

for the most part, he handles it really well.

Like, it's not a hard book to follow. Like you

said, with the time between when we last read

the issues and stuff like that, it is kind of

like, okay, so where are we on our own timeline

as much as anything else? But the actual progression

and everything else flows very well. It's easy

to see who's who. It's just one of those things

where you can clearly see it's a writer who's

got an ability to follow these kind of... jumping

timelines and jumping positions and everything

else. He really deserves a lot of credit for

that. No, he does. I just wish somebody would

pick up his series for him. Whatever company

it is, I just wish they would. We get back to

the other side, our side of the Port of Loomis

and we get Liberty and... Is it liberty or is

it no, it's um, it's the other way. Yeah. It's

Julian's kids. That's what it is. Um, so Julian

is telling them about this birdie. That's what

it is or Bernie. Hello, ladies and gentlemen,

this is future TF2 and Mike on the editing side

of episode 502 of the pull bag. I need to correct

myself. Bernie slash Bernadette is not. Julian's

daughter. It's his wife who he's punishing because

she cheated on him So Bernie is the wife Liberty

is the daughter and then he has another daughter

in the tube like we've been talking about her

We will talk about here in a minute. So so sorry.

I screwed it up Bernadette is the man's wife.

Holy crap Wow Yikes Now back to your regularly

scheduled carter man program telling them about

the mission and she asks you know. The monster

are you too scared to go on this mission you

can stay behind and play nurse mate to julian

no i'm good. And yeah and he talks about his

other daughter and. What a design on this tube.

Very, uh, careful placement of the old dicks

and bobs. It's like, I want you naked, but I

don't want to see it. Like, I don't want to see

all the details every time I look. But then again,

he can only really approach this tube in one

direction then. Mm -hmm. Yeah. My question is...

Yeah, that would jut out a little too much. C

-coup, D -coup, I can't tell. Anyway, so, but

my question about this is like, okay, I know

this is Julian, you know, and as for you daughter,

rest now, gather your strength, your birthday

is almost here. My only question is, and I'm

fine with the under boob and all that, and she's

in this cylindrical tube and whatever else. Why

is there a, uh, I'm sorry, Carter, but it's the

only thing I can think of in my head, but why

is there a hockey puck in between her knees?

Like I understand why the one is on her crotch,

but like, why is there one by her? Like these

aren't, but like this is inside the tube, but

like, what are you blocking out? Does she have

some sort of like knee injury or knee cap injury

that you don't want us to like, what's the deal

with the one that like, I don't. I mean, I, I'm

actually, I love the way he did design this though,

because you have the full on the full on bar

that covers her boobs. And then you have the

two hockey pucks. And my thought is, Oh God,

what if he went the other way and he put four,

he put two more hot like, Oh boy. So I love the

way it's designed, but I'm just like, Why is

there one by her knees? That's a little strange.

That's a little weird, but okay. Sure. Fine.

And we get back to hernia man and Liberty and

Quinn and all of them. They're going into another,

they're going into, they're on their way to another

property of Quinn's, but they have to go through

this cave. And Liberty is talking about percentages

and everything else. And Artie's like, that was

an art or no. Is it Artie or Liberty? Who says

about the percentages? Uh, no, yeah, it is. Wait

a minute. See, sometimes he puts the, where the

hell? I don't know, but Artie says that was an

arbitrary percentage and Liberty's like those

psychops were from Julian's private security

detail. All of you should expect yourselves wanted

for crimes against Julian Durand. Great thought

out for less than 24 hours and I'm already a

fugitive Still a step up from dead Again, I see

and hear Carter in in those lines So, you know,

it is some of those And I love how Quinn's like

yeah and being a fugitive isn't that bad. You

know, he's like you would know No, no, it's getting

no, it's not it's not I'm sorry. It's not Quinn,

it's, uh, it's, it's Ganyan because his hair

is, is, yeah, it's Ganyan that's saying this.

And then Artie says, you would know. Cause he

turns to Artie and says, you know what, maybe

stick to your own conversation junkyard. Oh,

that's right. No one's talking to you. Pipe down

until somebody needs a jar opened or something.

Okay. Gotta get, you know, either, you know,

get your robot. I always think like, like. Will

invent like sentient robots and that is how it's

going to start. It's just kind of like open this

for me. You can do it yourself. Yeah, but you

could do it better. Yeah, but nobody has room

for that Optimus Prime. Give it time. We would

all have to like lose. Nobody has room for that

Optimus Prime. Nobody does. And then. And then

Gannion's like, he's right though. I do know

what that's like. Listen, Julian's clearly done

some awful things in his life, but he's still

a human being. He can be reasoned with, right?

And then Science Boy and Liberty are like, ah,

they're just laughing. And my first thought was,

thanks for the colorist, Carter, because holy

crap, it's like the Joker gave them laughing

gas. Green background, purple, ha ha ha. But

no, it's just me inferring things on it. But

yeah, no. And this is the scene where I kind

of referenced about the magic bag, science bag,

and, you know, they are going to head off to

this mission. And I was kind of surprised. I

was kind of like, Carter, you bastard. So they

go through this and they go through this not

heroes journey But they go through you know programming

and they go through the whole last bit of let

us tell you our full story and All this and all

that and the final panel is an image of Artie

With looking at we see through Artie's areas

Artie's eyes hernia man Liberty Quinn and and

science boy You know Certainly a phenomenon that's

released from the portal is made possible by

a certain country's leader tampering with it.

A leader I think you've all had experience with,

Julian Duran. His unregulated curiosity leads

to the end of the human race. You're all aware

of Julian's political power and of his loyal

minions. This mission won't be easy. Julian Duran

and his forces must be stopped, no matter the

cost. Sorry, Carter. I kind of rewrote that a

little bit. And the port of Loomis must be destroyed.

You all have this one unlikely chance to prevent

global annihilation. So what say you? And I'm

like, uh, next page, next page. I'm scrolling

right now. Like next page, next page, next page.

As soon as I finished reading the comic, I was

like, I messaged Carter and I'm like, what did

I say to him? I said, uh, Wait, you cliffhanged

us! You bastard! Well, it couldn't be a cliffhanger

to us because, yeah, cliffhanged. Yeah, that's

the right... Something. Something, something,

something. He cliffed us. Right on a cliff. Yeah.

And that's a bad note to be on for the cliff.

And so I had mentioned to him that this was going

to be episode 502, and it was going to be coming

out soon, as soon as I can get it edited. And

he's like, awesome, this will give me some motivation

for number six. So hopefully we can get number

six in the new year, maybe. Who knows? But overall,

this whole story, this whole adventure that he

has created, not just this issue, but the whole

issues one through five. Probably one of the

most unique comics I've read. No, no, it's like,

it's very different. Like it's, it's a hard one

to really categorize because it's straddling

so many different genres. Sometimes it's trying

to be very tongue -in -cheek and sometimes it's

not. Its approach to, like, R &D is, you know,

very much was introduced as the classic shackled

AI type. And as the story goes on, it's like,

nice, easy. a bit more complicated than that

um and the stuff with the timelines and the approach

to the really like Duran's really ridiculous

over the top family type you know designs but

also they're not played as jokes as much and

in fact as the book's gone on it's become less

and less about them being like parodies and stuff

like that. So it's a very interesting one to

look at because it feels like Carter is just

like, it's really taking like full advantage

of the fact he has a toy box. He has a toy box,

he can play with it however he wants. In a way,

not having a company behind him is probably giving

him a lot more freedom than he might otherwise

have. So yeah, you know, I think it's going well

so far. Yeah, I'm I really enjoy it and and I

know he's gonna be putting into I think he Said

something about putting it into a volume one

these five issues and other stuff. I don't know

if that's happening anytime soon I don't remember

what he said off top my head, but yeah, no and

this issue was like it has Every issue has basically

had everything like It's kind of like and I have

I need to see that movie everything everywhere

all at once or whatever it's called. But it's

like we've had so much story. We've had so many

awesome things in the art style, like his art

stud. There ain't nobody that has the Carter

man art style. Like I have never seen an art

style like this. And I that's why I love it so

much. This is just because. he's a friend of

mine and he used to be on the radio that I used

to listen to him every minute isn't just because

I have the connection with him just looking at

it. Objectively, no other artist has this type

of art style. I've never seen this. No, no, like

I, I honestly can't think of anyone else has

taken this approach. So it's, yeah, it's it's

It's a hard, like again, it's a hard one to pin

down, like it's hard to see what the influences

are and everything else. Like sometimes I read

it and I get a bit of a 2008 D vibe. But yeah,

no, it's an interesting, it's like artistically

it just, it's different. It's just different.

And that's good because, you know, in amongst

of all of comics. Like you said because he isn't

attack like he's not with a company he has that

you know He basically has the freedom to do whatever

he wants however he wants But even then, like

he is telling a holy original story. I can hear

his comedy in it. I can see his art style, but

like he doesn't make really, he doesn't have

Easter eggs. He doesn't have like to my knowledge,

like you're not seeing a bat signal in the background.

You're not seeing a piece of kryptonite or whatever.

Like when I look at the, at the, the, the, the

energy balls for the characters in the, in the

portal, on the other side of the portal, it's

like. I don't think that like I think those are

more like energy spheres than pieces of like

red, blue, green, purple kryptonite or what I

like. I don't think that like, again, the most

original story and art style that I've seen in

a long time. Yeah, it's it's come together like

it's coming together. Well, it's like, can he

pull off the ending? is kind of the biggest thing

for me because like books are frequently defined

by their endings. So how the it's like, I think

a lot of things I think the ending is like one

of the you know, you can love a book or a TV

show, but then it gets to that last third or

last issue or last episode. And if that falls,

that's what it's gonna stick with you. At least

in my experience. So it's I'm really hoping he

does like stick the landing with us. Yeah. Absolutely.

You're talking about how shows sometimes fail

on sticking the landing in. My first thought

is, it's a miracle we got this junk pile in the

air. What happened? The second golden age of

Cybertron cerebros. Like it's all I think of.

Oh, rebirth. Oh boy. Yeah, folks, it's the Transformers

geek in me, sorry. Anything else we want to say

about issue five of A Little Orphans, or just

the overall first arc that he's done here? I'm

pretty good, really. I think it's moving at a

good pace. I think he's got a handle of things.

I think it's been getting better, which is a

big thing. I want to see where it goes. And I'm

hoping it just keeps on going at this kind of

pacing and rate and everything else. Yeah, absolutely.

I want to see where it goes. I want to see what

happens. I'm really digging all of the characters

and And yeah, it's just super fun folks Carter

man's immortal orphans. Check it out. It's on

Amazon I'm hoping, I think, like I said in Carter,

you can correct me if I'm wrong and I'm sorry

if I'm misspeaking. I think he said something

about starting some sort of like Kickstarter

or something to get the physical volume one book

done or something, but it's available digitally

on Amazon. So I will have the link to, to his

Amazon page. In the show notes on geekcastradio

.com because that's the only kind of way you're

going to be able to get it is through there.

You used to be able to get it through Comixology,

but Amazon bought them and destroyed the Comixology

website. I don't want to go on that tirade again.

I really don't. It's so stupid. Fucking Amazon.

Mikey, tell us about your lovely little podcast

that you have before we go to break. Yeah, if

you want to check us out, Moonbase 2. We're on

a Christmas break at the moment. But yeah, we

do Transformers and we do Transformer comics

and then we have our Patreon show, which basically

does anything. We also spend about half of every

show talking about stuff that has absolutely

nothing to do with Transformers. So spoilers

for that one. I'm just after getting the monster

arts figure for for a Godzilla anime that I didn't

really like the anime But I like the designs

so and it's blowing my mind because it's the

best version of this kind of Dinosaur figure

I've seen when trying to people trying to do

figures of the real dinosaur just like NASA Nah,

we're gonna fuck it up. We're gonna fuck it up

Ben I'm just like this is based off something

the size of a skyscraper and it looks more realistic.

What the fuck? How is this better than the thing

from, like, Jurassic World where you're literally

supposed to be making the animal? But yeah, so

check us out at moobace2 .libson .com and we're

also on Twitter as moobace2 and we got an email

moobace2 at gmail .com, so if you ever want to

chat to us or send us a message, I usually check

them. We're a little behind on questions at the

moment just because I was away for a while, but

we should be catching up soon. Yeah, that's me

really. I thought they replaced you. No, you

can't replace Mikey. You can't replace the kid.

You could probably literally replace me. I'm

probably not like The whole point of tuning into

moon base too is to hear me Mikey, you know,

but well like me having a breakdown about like

Bloody Wheeljack this week, but oh Really? I

will have to listen then I don't know what's

going on with Bloody Wheeljack, but it's not

the toy. It's it's everyone around the toy I'm

just like, no, I'm done. I'm done. Every Wheeljack

now is the worst character ever. You all fucked

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the universe and beyond. Alright folks, this

is episode 502 the Louisville area code and I

always wanted to do this with with Carter man's

comics and and immortal orphans and Mikey is

still here with me and All that good stuff and

this is the end of 2022 folks So I was debating

and I've said this in episode 500 501 I say it

here now in the present as I'm recording this

and I also say it in future recordings that I've

already recorded in the past in 503 and 504 I

was not sure if I was going to release episodes

501 to 504 for the end of the year, but I am

going to. I am going to edit those, edit this

and get it online. So we can start with episode

505, which I've already recorded for the first

of the year. So the pullback will still have

plenty of content. We are now over 500 episodes

long, leading up to our 10 year anniversary in

March of next year. Mikey, what would you rate

issue five of Immortal Orphans as zero to five?

I would say, hmm, I'd say a four, comfortable

four. It might lose a mark just because like

it's very rapidly paced. So it is very clearly

moving towards something. And I, from my personal

things like issues of books that are like in

the middle of a story and then very clearly heading

somewhere. I never liked the five marks for me.

It's just my perspective of things. So I think

a very comfortable four. Yeah. And I'm right

there with you, but I'm there with you for two

different reasons. And number one, how dare you,

Carter man, make me do eye tricks? Like, how

dare you? How dare you, sir? Write a comic and

draw a comic in color and create a comic that

basically makes me, you know, want to go to sleep.

kind of thing. And the other reason why I'm only

giving it a four is because it's a damn cliffhanger.

Like, you better get to work on issue six, Carter.

Seriously, let's go. But no, I mean, a four out

of five is not, it's not a bad, it's a, you know,

it's an excellent grade. And like I said, I hope

everyone will read this. Seriously, folks, if

you're listening on your iDevice or your Android

device or whatever, wherever you listen to podcasts,

I prefer the Spotify user interface, but that's

just me. Go to our website and click on the link

to check out Carter man's immortal orphans because

you're going to want to read this. You really,

really are. And yeah. So, uh, Mikey is on Twitter.

I believe you were on Twitter. Yep. That's our

main social media. So assuming Twitter's still

here by the time anyone hears this but still

you know, you know everyone says that and so

far I think they came very close there about

four weeks ago because all the all the Advertisers

everything like started trying to leave Yeah,

and then they they did it they reverse some stuff

and said they all came back because they don't

want to leave because Twitter is like just the

biggest Like Twitter in terms of social media

earnings, I'd say Twitter like beats out most

other ones. And like going to something like

whatever, well, the other ones they are mastodon

or whatever they that's just like so high risk.

No one wants to die. Yeah, I can't. So. I forget

we're roughly the same age, I think, or you I

think you're younger than I am. I don't remember.

It, you know. We're two Mike's folks and I believe

I'm the older one of the two of us, but, uh,

you know, it's one of those things where yes,

I am old and set in my ways, but I can also do

like, I can, I can learn to like new music. I

can learn to like a new cartoon, like, you know,

earth spark and all that and whatever else and,

and whatever else, but like social media, I'm

fine with Facebook, like it took me probably.

I don't know. A year before I like everyone was

like oh Instagram this Instagram that. I can

look at my Instagram right now and tell you that.

Let's see here on Instagram TF2 on my presents

I have 392 posts I have. 238 followers and I'm

following 923 things so 392 posts. I've only

been on Instagram for a couple years now or whatever

it was. I've been on Twitter and Facebook since

2007, 2008, whatever that was. I have way more

content on Twitter and Facebook than I do Instagram,

but people are like, oh, I'm going to abandon

Twitter because some guy that makes cologne bought

it or whatever. And I'm like... I've been on

this ship since the beginning. I'm going to go

down with the ship. I'm not learning new. So

like, you have to build an audience. You have

to make sure you know how to use the thing. You

have to do this. You have to like mastodon like,

Oh, I don't want no damn mass. I want like, you

know, tiger's order or a Falcon's order. Hell,

I'd even take, you know, I'd even take the dragon's

order, you know, so I don't want no damn as much

as I love Zach and he is cool. Like, No. No.

Like, hell, I'd even become a frog. You know,

poor Adam. I'm a frog. We're gonna get the heck

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Damn. And now we're all in trouble. It's Mike.

Mike, what do you say? Ernest, I'm pretty sure

there's a no return policy once that is used.

Well, hell, that ain't too fair. Didn't even

do what it was promised to do. Well, you didn't

do it right, apparently. Ernest, you can't be

sneaking things on people. That's why it didn't

work. It's the seventh... I didn't read the directions.

I think I faced it the wrong way. Can you even

read, Ernest? I can read. I read every day out

of the gospel. Thank you very much. He reads

the Bible, but he only reads the same page, so

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