Comic Book Origins with Chrissy and Marie from Alt Pop Repeat

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458. I am, of course, TFG1 Mike. Joining me this

time around is the duo that runs Alt -Pop Repeat.

It is Chrissy and Marie. Hello, ladies. Hi. Hey.

Hi, hi, hi. Yes. Hello. All right. Before we

get into the comics questions, everyone knows,

everyone listening knows the comic book Origins

here on the pull bag. We've been doing this for

eight years now. We have 25 questions. Asking

our guests about how they got into or out of

comic books, but since Honestly, this is the

first time I've talked to you guys the Kevin

Eastman episode right Which it's funny you guys

go into the what do you call it the sink after

that and Talk about the history of comic books

because for our 400th episode we actually did

a discussion on the comic book history of comics

which is a Collected edition thing that IDW did

Fred Fred van Lent and I forget who the but it's

basically this comic book history of basically

American comic books It didn't go into all the

European details and other things that you guys

did in your episode, but basically, you know

from Simon and Schuster to Bob Kane to all that

other stuff So I'll pop repeat. First of all,

when did each of you want to get into podcasting?

Chrissy, you can go first. Yeah, gosh. How about

a couple of years ago? We started this. We're

going to our third season starting in January.

So roughly about two years ago, two and a half

a podcast is I've been always wanting to do one.

So it's trickling in my mind for not even like

the Marine. I started the podcast about two years

ago. but it's been trickling in my mind for probably

about three or four years before that. So I knew

that I just wanted to get into the medium and

I loved it. And I just didn't have a partner

in crime for it. And I always wanted a partner

in crime for it. And then Marie and I hooked

up and be, you know, we were friends before,

but we became better friends and we started a

podcast. So that's really, but I just love the

medium. Just love it a lot. Yes. And audio is

far superior to video folks. Honestly, it is

in so many ways. It's so intimate. That's why

I love it You can make it whatever you want,

but audio just has this intimacy that you just

can't can't get away from Yeah, absolutely and

it's one of those things where if I need to do

the dishes or the laundry or whatever I could

have The Coolio episode playing in my pocket

on my phone and I could be listening to it as

you know So, I mean, you know, what about you,

Marie? What what made you want to get into this?

Was it just Chrissy dragging you along, kicking

and screaming? Oh, my gosh. No, I have always

worked in media one way or the other. So when

I was little, I was always acting and I was doing

commercials and then I was modeling and then

I was doing pageants. And then I had a live streaming

talk show called Nat and Marie, which was at

the time was the first type of. that particular

type of live stream program. Everybody was doing

talking heads, but what we did on our shows,

we had built our own studio with about eight

different cameras. We had a director, we were

switching between them. We had segments, we had

guests, we had people could call in Skype. So

we really innovated in that space. And the only

other people that had a live stream talk show

at that time that was similar to us is the incomparable

Tom Green, who was doing it in Los Angeles. And

at one point we were trying to get equipment

from him to help. grow our show because he had

all the top of the line stuff and was trying

to get rid of it and we're like, please give

it to us. So that was really fun. But that only

worked for we did that until 2010 till 2012 respectively,

but it was still really ahead of its time and

nobody was live streaming in that way and they

didn't really understand like audiences didn't

understand timed viewing. So appointment viewing

because we had gone from having that growing

up like 80s and 90s. now that we were reintroducing

it saying, it's time to viewing every Wednesday

at nine, you can tune in and watch the show.

You also have access to all of our guests, including

like we had on the show, the GM of Reddit, we

had Flula Borg, who actually was in the most

recent Suicide Squad. So he was one of the characters

on that. And he was on the show, great guy. And

we said, look, if you you call in, you tune in

while we're going live, you can have access to

everybody on our show. You can join in and be

a part of it. But it just wasn't enough. So unfortunately,

we put it to rest and went back to just writing

and doing digital marketing, because that's my

other gig in the daytime. And I kind of walked

away from it feeling a little disillusioned.

And then Chrissy and I. reconnected after a few

years because Chrissy was helping us with Natalie.

She was doing PR with us doing consulting and

did a fantastic job. And we reconnected and Chrissy

was like, Hey, look, I have this idea for a podcast

I've wanted to do for a little while. What do

you think? And then from then we just kind of

went full steam ahead. And, you know, the sister

ship has Basically turn into you everything from

we have we call ourselves travel wives because

we love to travel together. We're facts co -hosts

And then just like sisters from different ministers

And that's it Wow, that is wow that is a Wow

Yeah for me everyone well besides you guys everyone

listening knows how I get into it I had been

listening to podcasts in 2006 or so and Throughout

2007 and by December of 2008. I'm like I could

do this Yeah, and then I thought oh crap I want

to sound like the the the non Adrian Kronauer

guy in Vietnam the one in the beginning that

he actually replaces You know, like this is the

news on the top of the Oh God those early podcasts

of mine Everybody has an origin story, so yours

is no less important, right? And everybody gets

better. People always ask me, they're like, which

one should I listen to? And I'm like, God, don't

listen to the first one. I'm like, unless you

really want to hear like us just, you know, not

struggling, but just like it's a different vibe,

like it just becomes its own beast and it evolves.

So, you know, I love that we've been able to

like evolve this over two years and you get better

at your craft. So that's the best part about

podcasting. The more you work on it, the better

you get. Absolutely. So where did the title of

the show come from? It's eponymous. Yeah, we

were playing like really like it was just playing

with words. Like I said to me one night, I just

was writing stuff down on a on a list. Like I'd

had this Google sheet that I had Excel spreadsheet

that I was like writing names and all pop was

something that I was just playing with because

it's alternative, it's pop culture and then repeat.

So in my mind, it was like that whole cycle,

you know, counterculture alternative culture

becomes pop culture. And then you get that cycle

that repeats itself again, something becomes

alternative. And then so just playing with words

and just kind of created on its own. So and it's

something that I find that's catchy. And a lot

of people are like, what does that even mean?

So it's it's different. And it's fun. So it's

just playing with words over over a course of

time. But we also had like tons of different

things. We had like sub sub pop. And then we're

like, that's too close to like subway kind of

stuff. It sounds like a submarine shop with pop.

Like we went through like so many different.

Pop the records, right? Like you can't. So it

was yeah, we still have it like I saved the document

and all of all of that fun stuff and I remember

we had so many discussions about how we're gonna

get down to the actual final name and I always

like have I have a very like minimalistic Bizarre

like retro kind of aesthetic so I wanted it like

for me the name of the show really had to be

evocative of both the work that we're doing as

well as have a sense of like kind of night, like

I wanted that 90s kind of like cool grunge kind

of feel, but not sub pop because clearly that

would have been a copyright notice away from

us having to change our names. Well, it's not

like you could call it TLR or TRL or anything.

Yeah, Carson Daly would have rolled over in his

grave. So he's not dead. Well, maybe a little

bit. That show is dead. The show is dead. I'm

sure there's somebody that worked on the show

that's dead, but. Well, heaven forbid, but yes.

That's crazy. All right. Getting into the 25

questions. Did you grow up reading comics and

at what age do you first remember reading or

noticing comics? I was saying this in our interview

with Kevin Eastman and we go into the sink for

myself. It wasn't I wasn't like a massive comic

book person. I was a comic strip person. So it

was Garfield. Every time my parents would open

up the paper, then I would read the comic section.

That was something that I'd love to do. So that's

where it started for me. And I used to draw too.

Like I paint and I used to draw comics when I

was a kid. So I was obsessed with like drawing

Disney and all that stuff. So I'd created my

own little comics, but it was mainly like sketching

from actual like looking at comic strips. So

that's where it kind of came in for me. But I'm

not so much into like the insane comic book world

as everybody else is. I love them. Like, don't

get me wrong. I love the Teenage Mutant Ninja

Turtles. I love Kevin Eastman and their story

and their origin story. But for me, it started

in comic strips. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like for

me, it's I mean, how far back do you want to

go? My mother is British and my dad is Arab.

So when I was growing up in order to have a connection

to my British roots, my grandparents would send

over British comics for us to read. And the one

that I read voraciously as a child was like these

old like newsprint paper comic books. And it

was the magic roundabout. And they were just

children's cartoons. That was it. But in those

pages, there would always be ads for kind of

the older comics. It would be Spider -Man or

Wonder Woman. And then when I was about Nine

years old. I was going through my sister's My

sister's thing I have sisters that are older

than I am and they had their stuff from University

all boxed up and I was like Rifling through it

and I found all these comics like I found all

of these spider -man comics like my sister Natalie

was really into spider -man and then I found

a Batman year one Frank Miller comic and I Destroyed

it like absolutely destroyed it had it in my

backpack. I was carrying it with me everywhere

I was painting the back of my my backpack I had

sketched out and painted like all sorts of different

cartoon characters I was really fascinated with

Felix the cat got into vintage cartoons so I

think the one thing about Frank Miller and the

the Batman comic that I found when I was nine

was in particular how Political it was and it

blew my mind and also if I remember correctly

Selena Kyle was a prostitute and I also was just

my mind was blown because the only other Representation

of Batman that I had growing up was on a show

called Was it I was on Saturday morning switchback

and they would play like clips from Like that

old Batman series from the 60s. Yeah the Adam

West series. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes and so in

that Everybody is very much above board. It's

like comic code authority approved comic depictions

So to find this one comic book where it's just

gritty and dark and completely unlike anything

outside ever seen really introduced me to a world

that Comic books are graphic novel novels and

they really deserve to be treated as such but

it was to go like from and literally a span of

maybe five or six years ago from the magic roundabouts

to year one, kind of was like, my innocence lost.

But yeah, it's pleasure gained. There you go.

Yeah. Yeah, I think I don't want to say it was

year one because I do not remember. But I remember

as a kid, and I've told this story over the last

eight years, but I remember my mom finding this

big, literally graphic novel, trade paperback,

whatever you want to call it. It was a full volume.

of Batman and it was not Adam West Batman. It

was dark and gritty Batman and I don't think

it was Frank Miller but I can't rule that out

and I'm just like whoa and it was like right

before the hit of the decade was coming out in

1989 and I was like oh okay well this is getting

me prepared as a nine -year -old. All right,

so Marie just gave us her story of how her grandparents

kind of sent stuff over but Chrissy as a kid

was there a parent a friend Someone who just

said here kid read this comment go away. You

bother me No, I didn't have any of that. If anything,

my dad read the funnies too. So we would read

them together. So yeah, no one ever like, it

wasn't, I just kind of pulled it and maybe I

was just kind of following suit with him. That

could be totally possible as well. But yeah,

we just, you know, and as I got older, I still

love comics. Like I still love comic strips and

stuff like that. So like Saturday Night and Happiness

is like, I love them to death. Although when

I did meet them at a fan expo, I think it was

Comic Con or fan expo, I was so disappointed

because I like was across the way and I turn

the corner and I see their massive booth and

to a friend and I'm like, oh my God. And she's

like, Chris is like, it's sign night and happiness.

And I was like. run, like booked it to the booth.

And I'm like, hi. And I'm like so excited because

I'm like, I would watch their stuff before I

would go to bed. I would just follow everything

they were doing along with animation. And so

I was like buying everything. I bought a plush

stuffy. I bought, they made me like a little

picture, but then anyway, so when they were great,

but I was, when I went to go meet them and I

said, hi, and I was like, I love your work. Like

I was so excited. They were not enthralled at

all. And like, this is something about animators

as friends that are animators. they're not always

the best with people at times and that doesn't

mean everybody but you can tell sometimes it

just like leave me alone and they could tell

that they were like we just don't give a crap

and after i remember i bought everything but

i walked away and i was just like a little sad

inside and to be honest i haven't watched or

read much of cyanide and happiness since that

moment too it kind of took it down a notch i

know stuff like that happens because you know

you were so pumped about it then you had such

um But it took it down a notch for me and I was

like wanting to like talk to them and you know,

and, and it was like, Hey, let's be friends,

you know, but I get it. Like you got like tons

of thousands of people coming through Comic -Con

or fan Expo like every day and you're like drawing,

you know, pictures for them. So what they did

was made me like pick out a name or something.

And I think it was like a scene, a name and send,

they would put me in it and they drew it and

I still have it and it's great. It was like a

cocktail party, but with like a whole bunch of

different types of characters and it was But

when I walked away and I did frame and I put

it in my house and whatnot But when I walked

away, I was just like we're like, you know, I

wish I wish they were a little bit more connected

But hey can't win them all but I still love it.

So yeah the thing about Convention appearances

and people being at them and people that you

want to see it depends on what kind of person

the person is but you know You're there to see

them and not I don't want to sit here and say

they need to realize that without you, they wouldn't

have a job kind of thing. I'm not saying that.

What I'm saying is everyone needs to be respectful

of everyone else. We understand everyone has

bad days, but when these people are your heroes

or are, you know, like you look at any of the

voice actors, any of them, doesn't matter, Frank

Welker, doesn't matter who it is, Tara Strong,

you know. You have they those people have to

go in there with a modicum of They want to be

there to see the people that enjoy what they

enjoy doing. You know what I mean? somebody told

me something about Us is years ago. This is before

he passed but apparently Leonard Nimoy went to

lunch in the middle of a convention with a long

-ass line waiting for people to see it was like

Okay Alrighty then Spock isn't so logical now,

is he? And you have to show that you care a little

bit, like just a little bit. Even my friend beside

me made a like try to make a joke and was like,

she goes to bed, like goes to bed with you every

night. Cause I do. And they laughed. They didn't

even flinch. Like it was just, yeah. And I'm

like, she even made a funny like, come on guys,

like give us something. I still walked away and

bought like half the crap, but I wanted to support,

but Hey, you know, it is what it is, but maybe

they had a bad day. You can't judge. everybody

right yeah I mean it is caustic humor so I mean

really like when you think about the type of

comedy that they do in the cyanide and happiness

you kind of understand why it's a little as I

said caustic at times you know like okay well

maybe you just you have that vibe and you but

you know you have to respect the fans the fans

are the ones that are spending their hard -earned

dollars to buy all that fun stuff which you did

after you saw them you know you got to respect

that role and for every one person that either

in general has a bad attitude about fans. There

are thousands of others that, you know, will

spend three hours with you or whatever kind of

thing. Like I've been doing this for 13 years

now and I have spent countless hours with various

voice actors and writers and creators just on

an audio call, just like what we're doing now.

You know, where I always say when I go to advertise

for an interview or for whatever, for people

to come on shows for Geocast Radio Network is

that we generally have shows that range from

30 minutes to an hour and 30 minutes, however

we can cater to the person's time. So someone

like when we interview Maurice LaMarche or Tara

Strong, and I'm not just saying those names just

to throw them out there, we have done that in

the past. I'm saying We can cater to whatever

I can. I can cater to whatever time you need,

whatever. You know, if you say, oh, we can't

have this go over an hour and a half. Sure. Great.

Let's keep going. When you were a kid, which

characters were your favorites? Oh, I am a fan

of Batman. So I mean, I've actually talked about

this because I know it's one of her favorites,

too, is Catwoman for sure is one of I would say

one of my favorites. um in any of that world

but batman is like is for always always always

always just a great superhero in many ways um

that's what i would say on my end yeah i mean

really like what catwoman has given to me like

my mild to extreme obsession with that character

from age um okay so i was i loved year one but

my weird my weird catwoman phase Um probably

started in junior high like age 12 and probably

went until he was like 14 like obsessive I was

obsessed with her. I was like i'm gonna be catwoman

i'm going to learn how to uh, how to use a bullwhip

i'm like I was next level weirdo insane like

my Locker was just pictures of catwoman, but

I loved what I loved about her is that She's

an she's to me was a classic anti -hero. She

wasn't Like batman was kind of like living in

the shadow of what he needed to accomplish in

order to avenge the death of his parents like

over and over and over like he was stuck in this

hell loop his entire life and Catwoman was just

like this is who I am. I'm neither good nor bad.

I'm just living my life doing whatever it is

that I want to do and You know what the reason

I became catwoman was because I wanted to conquer

over my past whether it was like she was running

away from um, you know oppressive men fit male

figures or whether in some versions like again,

she was um Stepping away from her dominate tricks

prostituted past whatever it was It was she had

this moment where she was able to take ownership

of herself and her identity and just reinvent

herself In the way as a strong female character

plus I love cats So it kind of was like the perfect

marriage of everything and also like who wouldn't

like Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman like we want

to skip over to a movie was banging in that costume

I'm sorry like I I still spend every single day.

I'm going I think about her claws I'm like what

were those I'm like what sort of strange sewing

accessory had allowed her to have retractable

claws that is like the one mystery that has haunted

me my entire life, but otherwise I'm like yeah

Catwoman could get it any day. I hope you don't

have a transforming hello there hell here neon

sign in your house I had the poster of her standing

in front of hell here and I I like love how smoothly

like when she walked into the apartment and her

arm just like switches she doesn't even blink

she's like looking straight ahead and she like

walks in I can't remember she was holding a bag

or something and with her other hand without

missing a beat she just swipes up hits the um

oh and then she just hits the two letters without

even blinking and continues on i was like why

is she so cool like she doesn't have to look

at stuff she just is awesome i am cat woman hear

me roar the thought of busting batman makes me

feel all Dirty. Gotta go, girl talk. Selena,

Selena. That's my name, Maximilians. Don't wear

it out or I'll make you buy me a new one. You

poor guys. Always confusing your pistols with

your private. Yellow, please. I wouldn't touch

you to scratch you. Honey, I'm home. Oh, I forgot

I'm not married. Who's the man behind the pet?

Maybe you can help me find the woman behind the

cat. The age -old question, DC or Marvel? Dude.

Chrissy, you go first. Chrissy. I'm going to

say DC because I don't follow the Marvel. I know

I would like Marvel, but I haven't followed the

amount of interconnected stories that I have

with DC. I know you're going to say the opposite,

then Marie, but I'm going to say DC on for that

case, just because I don't follow. And Marvel

has done an amazing job in recent years with

their films and everything else. And it showed

like the interconnectedness. But I haven't gone

down that train in one day. I will do it. But

that is a lot of TV watching and it's a lot of

reading. So one day I will go into that universe.

But outside of that, I would say that I'm probably

even outside of DC and Marvel, I would say I'm

a Star Wars chick, just saying. So if I have

to choose between the two, I'm going to say DC.

Well, I mean, obviously there's merits to both.

So, I mean, I do recognize there's there's distinct

differences, but I just think that. Today so

when I was a kid for sure, I was DC DC DC. I

loved Wonder Woman. I loved that man, etc, etc,

etc But I have to say today where I'm standing

if I would choose Marvel and mostly it's based

upon the cinematic universe because I think that

they've handled it so Fantastically and right

now I'm I decided I was going to undertake the

entire Project of watching the entire MCU Oh,

I started it in august, but i'm doing television

shows and movies in chronological order. So Right

now i'm at Um, I just finished the inhumans,

which I was not my favorite I just think that

was like they could have done better on that

entire series. I was really disappointed with

it. Um But what I really enjoyed is that they

what marvel is doing with their cinematic universe

is that they're truthfully exploring Everybody

that's in it the fact that they have You start

off with obviously Captain America But then following

that agent Carter and you're just looking at

Peggy Carter starting up shield and I thought

that was a really interesting exploration and

then I also love on the Disney Channel right

now. They have the what -if series. So let's

explore the alternative Timeline, so I know this

isn't talking about like comic books per se right?

No, it's it's yeah But like the MCU is just so

much fun and watching it in chronological order

and including the television shows like I would

say when I first talked about it on Twitter I've

lost my friends who are very very involved in

geek culture We're like yeah go for it and I

was surprised with how many other people were

popping in mostly dudes that decided they were

gonna try and like Mansplain they're like you

don't need to watch the TV shows you don't and

I was like, yeah But I don't think you understand

the exercise that I'm doing like I don't care

if you don't think I need to watch it I'm gonna

watch all of it and I'm gonna have a complete,

a holistic sense of how they set up all the characters

and the dimensions of the universe and really

understand like the politics and the nuances

of the society that they built. And I highly

recommend it. Like do not leave out the television

shows. Some of them are a little hard to watch,

AKA the Inhumans. But ultimately, you walk away

with a really, really rich sci -fi superhero

World that is I I don't know how they're able

to maintain such good continuity. I have no idea.

Yeah It's probably because they stick to their

continuity and they don't flip -flop their their

continuity every you know 2011 2014 2024 2044

however many times DC needs to reboot themselves

or rebirth themselves anyway Yeah, no, I agree

with the Marvel Cinematic Universe thing. I have

not figured out. I know what the chronological

order is of the films. And I sort of know the

TV shows, but not all of them yet. But I can

give you here. The list is I cheated. I did not

figure this out for myself, obviously. But there

is on pocket lint dot com. They put together

a definitive list of a chronological listing

of just the films as well as the films and the

television shows. So it's super easy. You just

work your way through. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm at

Thor Ragnarok right now, which I've already watched

before. So I have to rewatch it because that's

a part of the exercise is I have to watch the

whole thing like I don't skip anything. Yeah.

Yeah. I still do not see. other than the very

very last end -to -end scene. I do not consider

Incredible Hulk in it though because it's so

vastly different and by far it's the most evil

of all the movies because they killed Stan Lee

by having him drink a tainted soda. How dare

they? Wait, you're talking the one with Ed Norton?

Yes. They filmed that in Toronto. It's very exciting

because I was working at University of Toronto

at that time and they were filming a The major

battle come the end of it was on the in front

of the University college which was the building

I was working in and I had friends that were

in the in the movie as well So from that perspective

is nostalgic and exciting, but I agree with you.

It's just not it like just doesn't really fit

But disney doesn't really um They don't have

the rights to hulk Did you know this it did is

this is something that everybody knows they have

the rights to some Hulk, not all Hulk, I think.

I don't know. Rights issues and all that stuff,

it's all whatever. As far as DC or Marvel, the

way I see it is, and I say this in every single

one of these episodes, I don't follow the companies,

I follow the characters. DC Batman Nightwing

Batgirl Tim Drake Robin You know that kind of

thing Marvel Iron Man Spider -Man Captain America,

whatever when it comes to the comics anyway I

follow the characters more than I follow the

actual like oh What's deep like other than the

fact that whatever is it like I said earlier?

Whatever is hitting the news like oh my god They're

they're destroying the universe again, and we're

gonna have to start all over and tell the same

stories, but in a different way What other publishers

do you enjoy reading? Good question. I have to

say like as far as like independent, you know,

I can think of particularly like comic books,

but maybe not necessarily like publishers per

se, but oh my gosh, I'm going to have to like

look it up. I'm like remembering things from

my childhood, which are again relatively obscure.

so I never thought what other publishers do you

read bro question would be the hardest question

on here and it's only the fifth question no come

on lay it on us i'm not we're not backing down

just give us some time to get our druthers around

I mean I would say like in terms of like other

graphic novels um again this is just by like

a uh actual like publisher publisher but it was

um Persepolis is a graphic novel that was an

autobiographical series that was based on the

Ayatollah taking over Iran in 1979. And it's

a story of a woman who's like working, like getting

through it. And I was obsessed with it. I think

it's one of the most beautiful, it's a beautiful

story. And I think it is one of those huge testaments

to the power of illustration and word coming

together to really tell stories that are next

level. And then beyond that, it's like manga.

And I think any Japanese comic books, I do love.

I had an obsession with Sailor Moon again when

I was younger. And now I'm just branching out

to try and kind of, I grew up not in Toronto

so didn't have access to a lot of stuff that

most people did. So now it's kind of like now

that anime is just becoming very like fashionable

it's really exciting for me because I have access

to all the things that I ever dreamed of having

access to as a kid are now available in my fingertips

and I can't wait until we're back out of of COVID

and all these lockdowns and the comic book stores

can finally open again. Absolutely. I'm going

to say like for mine, I'm still going to stick

in it. I'm going to stick into like the Bill

Watterson area when it comes into Calvin and

Hobbes. Like that was mine again. Comic strips,

not as much comic books, comic strips. So that

would that would be I'm more of a fan of that.

I have like a mix. t -shirt that someone did

like a mock -up of Calvin and Hobbes but they

do a Star Wars riff of it and then yeah and Calvin

they're walking across a log and and Calvin one's

a Jedi and then Calvin is Yoda so so I like that

I'll stick into the comic strip world that's

still my I'm a fan in that place all right I

always preface this question now because the

way I've written it it always sounds really weird

when I say it print or digital which one both

either or and why printer i'm gonna say print

i'm gonna say print but in digital like do you

just mean in tv show wise or do you mean no no

no comic books reading comics print or digital

i'm gonna say print i'm gonna say print that's

for sure yeah it's always I don't know. I'm gonna

say print. I'm gonna go classic because it's

nice opening up something especially if you buy

a collection. I think that's, that's also the

other thing too. It's nice. I'm a, I'm like a

paper person too. Like when I buy a book, I like

to have a hard back book. I don't like a Kindle.

I like to hold it in my hand and I also like

to keep it because if I ever want to look at

it again or reference it, I have it on hand.

I'm just not big in the digital, even though

I love digital things and digital, all different

types of digital stuff. But I'm going to say

when it comes to anything writing, anything comic

book, anything comics related. Yeah. Uh, print

wise. Like the access of digital But I love the

visceral experience of opening up a book and

the smell and the experience of just Not being

connected to anything and not having to look

at it on a device There's something about that.

That's really comforting and kind of like magical.

Whereas I Mean digital as I said, I think the

one of the greatest things that comes with it

is the fact that it It provides access to comics

much more readily, especially in communities

that might not have access, like they might not

have a local comic book store or maybe they have

to order things in weight and they don't have

the opportunity to thumb or whatever. There could

be a million and one reasons why, but digital,

I think, provides access to more people to have

access to comic books as opposed to print where

print you kind of have to be able to either buy

it or be in the location of where they're available

or have them handed down to you or whatever but

If you could go print go print But if you can't

go digital and don't lose out on the experience

just because you can't get out have a print Yeah,

I agree with you know the print thing of having

it in your hands but for me print is nothing

but art books now because the way my vision has

always been my entire life it's really bad so

when i found and sadly i'll get into this in

a second but when i found comics ology's guided

view a number of years ago where you can go panel

by panel and it zooms in and it zooms out and

it draws your eye where it's supposed to go i

can't read it Unless it's on comics ology on

my computer not on a phone not on a tablet just

on my giant monitor Sadly now that Amazon has

bought them and is basically folding them into

Kindle. It's a whole whole mess, but I Love the

collectability of print, but I love actually

reading and there's there was nothing Evermore

to the point of being so shocked is doing comicsology

guided view and You have this, you know, like

you're on the end of one page The next page is

this beautiful splash in your face, even though

it's on a screen, but it's zoomed in It's your

eye is drawn to whatever it was and it was so

cool totally Who are some of your favorite comics

writers and why? Well, a hundred percent. We're

going to say Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird. That's

mine. Yeah. Like I, the reason why I love them

so much is the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are

amazing and they're iconic, but what they've

done. in their lifespan, Kevin Eastman and Pierre

Laird is unbelievable and how they've taken this

comic that they just did for fun and they're

best friends. Like that story on its own is unbelievable

and how they became best friends and you can

tell that there is like this true friendship

through and through and love for each other and

love for the craft of creating comics. And so

when they created this and they hooked up with

their manager and their manager is like, I think

he was like selling vacuums or knives. Like he

was like no way even connected to the comic book

industry. I love that. And then he came in and

he had all these big grandos ideas about, you

know, what these turtles are going to do and

where they're going to go and like making movies

and merchandise. they hooked up together and

it just sounds what every time I hear that story

I'm like like no way that worked you're like

no way and you shake your head and you're like

how did that even work like how did these guys

do this it's actually impossible what they did

I think um and a lot of people can't accomplish

what they and they want to and then the story

of how they you know kevin eastman became a little

bit of a playboy you know and like sort of gallivanting

and doing his own thing and then peter laird

was just like one and you know and and kevin

was selling off his assets and peter was like

holding on to all of them and like collecting

everything and had like that major room still

full of all of like the original ninja turtle

action figures and everything he did and he was

just like Peter was just like grasping onto the

memory of them. And you can tell in their friendship.

And then Kevin was like, screw you. I'm going

to go do my own thing and be like some Hollywood

star. And then. the later on, they came back

together. And, you know, and Peter had more,

I think, of the assets of the Ninja Turtles.

And then Kevin's can, you know, come back. And

now they've created this new the new version

of the Ninja Turtles that's come out and last

run on. Yeah, exactly. And like it's just that

whole story of them being friends, along with

creating something that's like so fantastical

and so great. And and having this manager that

like didn't even know them, that came in and

put them to this other level, I think is just

really beautiful. And it's it's my favorite best

friend's story. So I will always say like, Kevin

Eastman and Pierre Laird for sure are hands down

my favorite. This is okay. So this is going to

go out to another direction. Obviously Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtles because that was like a

childhood obsession. I had a slightly unholy

crush on Michelangelo. That's a story for another

time. But maybe Mike Mignola from Hellboy. Just

because I like weird characters that are kind

of underlings and I loved how the writing in...

Hellboy is just kind of mysterious and it's interesting

and I didn't find it pretentious. It's not difficult

to follow. And there's still I love that there's

a romantic element to it. There's still a little

bit of everything. And even though he is ultimately

like, what is it, the son of a witch and a demon?

Like I like him as a character. I just think

he's boorish and funny and interesting and persevering

and. all those wonderful things. So I found it,

like, it's, yeah, so probably that's what I'd

say. Very cool, very cool. What defines a good

story to you? A really strong narrative and a

really strong connection to characters and, like,

a really great backstory. When we look at Batman

like that whole Joker of like the Joker story

that's always evolved from television and film

like how it all started I really like that and

I like the fact that people can actually create

some backstories to Within the film and TV world

with it, but I think a really strong narrative

strong character connection But like even a strong

backstory that's gonna that's gonna propel that

I think that's what's is really great storytelling

Obviously plot, but I think a really good nemesis.

I think there always needs to be a really, really

strong antagonist for the main character to to

really push them along the way, because this

is what Kevin said in our show as well, is you

can't have a hero without having a villain. And

your hero is only ever going to be as strong

as your villain. I mean, you have to have those

two that kind of play off of each other. So you

can have these beautiful worlds that you create

and these wonderful imagination and imaginative

plots and storylines and have consistency all

the way through it. But unless, of course, you

have that raison d 'etre that's going to drive

people through. I think you're kind of missing

out on a major part of of what makes a comic

Let's just applaud great Yeah, yeah What does

a story so this is different? What does the story

have to have to draw you in? So you go into the

comic shop you pick up a new number one of whatever

Let's say it's some new Batman book or whatever.

What does that? One comic have to have for you

to go back and get the second issue I'm gonna

say comedy. I do like something that makes me

laugh. That's probably why I like comic strips

so much Personally, that's probably what that

is some form of comedy or just yeah, I'm gonna

say that just some good humor I'd say diversity

right now it's I think it's like one of the freshest

things that are coming into the entire industry

is that the introduction of of dimension that

never really existed before for whatever reason

maybe it was because of the comic code authority

who knows but now you have characters that are

queer and you have characters that are female

and you have characters that are non -binary

and you know different ethnicities and races

and That's I think that's really exciting because

now there's it's exciting to me because one I

think it's it's interesting because I like to

read different stories about new people and and

Learning how they kind of reimagine or push the

envelopes with different characters in different

storylines And I also think it's interesting

to get in the world of other people that and

other Communities that I'm not necessarily a

part of and to be able to do that through comic

books I think is one of the true powers of the

whole medium so I'm pumped Right because like

what it's um is Marvel. She was casted just out

of for the movie. She was from Brampton, which

is you don't call it Bram LaDash, but it's it's

um Yeah, it's mostly a South Asian community

So I kind of love this idea that there's this

one of the newer characters that's being introduced

in the Marvel universe is An Indian superhero,

I think it's wonderful Some of us old people

would be like, Ms. Marvel, you mean Rogue? Kamala

Khan, that's her name. Yes, Kamala Khan. I know

a lot of people didn't like it, and I'm not as

much of a gamer as I used to be, but I watch

video game playthroughs all the time. Her being

the star of the Marvel Avengers game at the time,

I thought that was pretty cool. I thought that

was awesome. Getting the Marvel Cinematic Universe

in video game form from a mystery like she has

to solve the mystery of the stuff. I thought

that was awesome. Oh, for sure. And it's I mean,

for sure. The old guard is going to be feeling

uncomfortable because there's a formula that

everyone that they grow like grew to love. I'm

saying like the royal they. They grew to love.

There's a certain reliability. It's a comfort.

Whenever you're reading comic books, there's

a comfort that's associated with it. And when

that formula is switched up, you're just like,

oh my God, is this going to get changed forever?

And I'm going to lose the things that made the

comic books great. But for me, it always comes

down to what is it that makes it absolutely wonderful?

And for me, it was just reimagining and imagining

new worlds that I don't have access to in such

a wonderful way. Yeah, and I think the thing

of it is though, like all those old guard people,

because I didn't really, like, my whole life

was all about cartoons. Comics were there, kind

of, but it was movies and cartoons and video

games. I didn't go full tilt into comics until

Snyder's death of the family Batman issue number

13 And then this podcast started and eight years

later nine years later here. We are right now

recording this new episode, but it's one of those

things where Just because things change Doesn't

mean they don't stay the same as well because

take Batman for example you have 80 years or

more of Bruce Wayne's stories. At the tail end,

right before New 52, you had Dick Grayson as

Batman. It was different, but it was cool. It

was awesome. So just because you now have Dick

Grayson as Batman for a few stories doesn't mean

it erases the thousands of issues over the past

X number. Anytime any new cartoon or any new

whatever comes out from from an existing franchise

that like For example because we're all about

transformers here at the geek cast or your network

Anytime any transformers cartoon comes out my

old transformers like Beast Wars or Beast Machines

or the generation one cartoon Just because there's

something new doesn't mean it erases. What came

almost 40 years ago Now that show is still there

that show I can still go back and watch and enjoy

it for what it was So, this whole thing of, um,

insert character name here, oh my god, is so

different compared to the last 40, like, some,

it depends on who the character is, it depends

on who the superhero, like Iron Man, or War Machine,

or even Spider -Man, Spider -Man's a perfect,

Spider -Man's probably the best example. You

got Ben Reilly, you got... other people. Hell,

for half a while there, for 30 -something missions,

you had Dan Slott writing Otto Octavius as Spider

-Man, as Superior Spider -Man, which is one of

the things that this podcast cut its teeth on.

I absolutely loved Superior Spider -Man because

it was different. It wasn't your, oh, I'm Peter

Parker. I'm a high school kid who gets bullied,

and I'm going to go out and save people. you

know, whatever at night. Just because new things

come along doesn't erase what has already happened.

That's why we have history. Totally. I mean,

like my favorite reboots right now are on Netflix.

I'm like, I love the She -Ra reboot that they

did. I loved it. And I was animated by the same

people that did Steven Universe. And I think

they just made it really great. He -Man Revelations.

stuff to watch part two, but so into that. Are

you kidding me? The cast in it is phenomenal.

The story is fantastic. Yeah, it's not the same

as it was when it came out in the 80s. But I

mean, arguably, when it came out in the 80s,

they weren't allowed to have violence. I mean,

he wasn't allowed to use a sword. You know, there's

there's things that they just weren't allowed

to do that they can do now. So they can finally

sometimes they're what we fell in love with was

one version like you said the the reboots or

the Refresh of the storylines and the characters

sometimes it's an opportunity for the original

creators to realize a vision that they weren't

able to realize and that was the one thing like

I Mean the show that we did with Kevin Eastman

whenever Chrissy and I were going through the

sinks and we're talking about how The morality

of things were impacting morality was really

impacting the way that comic books were being

created and how it really created this thriving

underground comic book scene It really bring

to light that when it came to mainstream comics

There was so many pro. It was so prohibitive

that They just weren't able to dance in that

space as strongly as they ought to have been

able to. And now we're just in a completely different

time where we kind of recognize the art form

for what it is. People grew up loving it and

now they can finally reinvigorate all of those

old titles and bring in just new juice. Let's

like, let's juice it up. Like, and I'll never

forget the time when I came out that Green Lantern

was gay and like, everybody was like, what? Like,

No, how can that be and I was like dude like

there's always been subversively gay characters

all the way through Comic books like I refuse

to believe that poison ivory was straight. Like

I refuse. There's just like some I'm just like

no, no, no, no, no, no, no But anyway, I digress

Yeah, it's a It's a constantly evolving thing

and the one I guess and I'm not even really a

part of the old old guard. I'm 40 something years

old at this point, but I'm I don't consider my

because again Comics weren't ingrained into me

as a kid. They were there. Yes. I remember running

to Walden books to search out the latest rat.

Cause the sad thing is folks back in the nineties

and Walden books, you were not going to get a

bagged and boarded copy of Spiderman. You were

going to get something that people have rifled

through and maybe the front page is ripped or

whatever. So for me, it's like they're always

changing. They're always evolving. The characters

are always. you know, whatever, there's never

going to be like, we have multiple origins for

multiple carry like, between DC and Marvel specifically,

they both have a multi like, Batman from Earth

two is not the same as Batman from Earth one

and Batman from Earth nine is not the same as

Batman from Earth 38 or whatever. And that's

the greatest thing because what that does is

it allows writers and artists a chance to have

their say on what story they wanna tell with

said character. Speaking of art, who are some

of your favorite comics artists? I have a funny

answer to this one. Okay, go ahead. Okay, I'm

gonna say Cameron Stewart because he's a Toronto

-based artist. He did Batgirl, he also worked

with What's the I have to look it up Fight Club

who wrote Fight Club Chuck Palahniuk? Mm -hmm.

He wrote he also illustrated the Fight Club comics

Also, I just think it's fine because I can say

that I went on a date with him And no one said

I didn't know that Yeah, okay, you tell that

story because I think that's probably gonna be

the most interesting story all night. Oh stop

We have lots of interesting stories today. Come

on. Yeah. Wonderful guy. We met online. We chatted

back and forth. We met up for drinks and I thought

it went really well, but I didn't get the call

back for the second date. But he was we had met

up for drinks. Just a wonderful guy. And I just

wanted to grill him like asking questions about

comics. Like, how did you get into it? What was

it like? What are some of the biggest challenges?

Who are some of the people that you've worked

with? What's Chuck like? Like I wanted to go

through it but at the same time I can imagine

that he gets asked those questions like a thousand

times over. And so I've tried to reserve it for

when he came back because he was going to England

for a comic book festival at that point and he

had to take, there was like some something happened,

he had to take all of his merch and all of the

stuff that he had to sell with him. So he was

like off the grid, we had some texts back and

forth, but also I'm a lot just as a person. I

just say funny, like I think I'm hilarious, but

sometimes I'll just like go off in my own little

universe. And without realizing it, I will derail

a conversation, not intentionally, but I'll just

like write something. So he was in, I think this

might've been why he didn't call me back was

because he was in England. And I wrote to him,

I was like, pip pip, cheerio, apples and apples

and pears on the on the Tilly Wog. And you mocked

him. I mocked him. I'm British. I can mock him,

but he's also British. Anyway, so he just like

wrote back and was just like, ha ha. And then

I never heard from him again. But it wasn't like

that. I'm just like paraphrasing. But it was

very similar to that, where it was like, how

are you apples and pears? So it didn't. I think

that's kind of how I tanked having an actual

comic book character illustrated in my likeness.

So for the longest time, I kept looking at his

Instagram profile and was like, OK, this girl

kind of looks like me. But it wasn't. None of

them looked like me, but that was it. But it's

OK. I have my own illustration of me as Catwoman

on the wall that a friend drew. Mine's Jason

Scott Campbell. I'm like Joe Scott Campbell.

I did a cosplay once of his Mary Jane Watson,

where she's holding a teacup, like a coffee cup,

wearing jeans and a shirt that has Batman, or

sorry, Batman, Spiderman on it with a heart.

So I did a cosplay of that. And so that was my,

he's probably my favorite, but he's amazing.

A lot of people love him. He's just a talented,

talented artist. Very cool. Very cool. Yeah,

I actually interviewed a cosplayer years ago

now I wish she was I I'm sure she's still around

somewhere. I don't know. I'm not saying she's

not I'm not saying she's dead or anything I'm

just saying I haven't seen her online lately

at all Mad Mel Madigan I don't know her. Yeah,

she did one of the best black cat cosplays and

Mary Jane She did Mary Jane from Jake all of

the stuff she did in Spidey was from J Scott

Campbell stuff. It was awesome Yeah, I'll check

I'll check that out. I love cosplay It's like

one of my for sure. I've done a couple of them,

but that was my first one I ever did, because

I'm like, I love the image. But I'm like, also,

this is like a good start. And my hair was the

same color of Mary Jane Watson at that time.

So I was like, this is perfect. So I didn't have

to put on a wig and it did well. But then I print

I printed out like the Daily Bugle as well and

had some props and played with it. But it's it's

a lot of fun. And I've I've met him before, too.

I'd fan Expo, too. He's a lovely man. Very cool.

Very cool. I was going to say, they don't know

it yet, but next up on All Pop Repeat, we have

Cameron Stewart as the next guest. Could you

imagine? If anybody knows who he is and they

send a message to him, he's not really active

on social because he found it very toxic and

I don't disagree with him. If anybody reaches

out, they're like, yeah, there was a girl that

went out and he was like, ah, damn it. That's

why I don't go on social media. But he's a lovely

guy and incredible talent. you know what i still

haven't given up hope that some somewhere along

the way i'm going to stumble across the feed

and then there's going to be a character that

he's drawn and she's just as exquisite but not

as exquisite as i am in real life but you know

i'll take it any kind of i'm like weirdly obsessed

i'm like oh i can't wait to be like drawn in

a comic book and i have a friend of mine she

was um i can't remember at the top but she's

a model and she was um she was a model for Whole

series of comic book characters like legit and

I was so jealous So jealous and she every time

she got a new one She would like send the picture

over and she's like, how do you think about this

Maria's like? Oh my god, Laurie This is amazing,

but I'm also so incredibly jealous of you right

now Trying to remember what they were called,

but anyway, it doesn't matter Do you have a favorite

non superhero title? Not superhero title. Do

you mean by just like a title of a person? No,

like comic title. Like something that isn't Marvel.

Something that isn't Iron Man. Like, for example,

somebody's favorite might be sex criminals or

something. So turtles technically doesn't count

since they're superheroes. Scott Pilgrim. Does

that count? Scott Pilgrim. But he wasn't really

a superhero. I mean, he did have to battle Fiona's

ex -boyfriends, but. And also, he's he was written

in Halifax, Nova Scotia, so like a little hometown

love for Canada. There you go. I don't know.

We have to pass. I'm not sure. It's like a non

-combat. I swear. I'm like, I don't know. What's

yours, Mike? Oh, non superhero. Anybody could

be a non superhero. Yeah, I'm a non superhero.

So are you. I'm going to say my dad. I'm like

that there's so many, I would say. For me, Donnie

Donko one day would be a superhero. Strange planet.

There you go. There you go. Oh, I got one. The

Dave series and Dave Dave to and Dave ocracy

from Ryan Ferrier It's about this robot named

Dave d4ve and it's a series of robots in the

future and things like that. So Okay, I'm gonna

change mine and I'm gonna say Wally then Or Johnny

five Yeah, Johnny five is Wally's dad. Exactly.

Exactly. I have this little Made out of all different

parts. That's like a handmade little Wally and

he sits just below my TV and I'm trying to get

him a Johnny five That's a little bit taller

so I can have the pair I got him in Venice Beach.

That's so cool. He's so cool And I would say

also like I mentioned this also in the show that

the comic book show as well is eight ball Daniel

clothes It's like an underground comic came out

between 1989 and 2004 But I I came acquainted

with it whenever they did a brand associated

Deal with coca -cola and coca -cola put out a

series of cans for cola called okay cola and

Daniel Close had done used his eight ball characters

and illustrated. I think was like eight eight

different tins and They're so Not they were so

atypical that I like loved it So but weird and

you know, there's a lot so much stuff happening

it with independent artists. It's like my god

so good Absolutely. What is your favorite run

of a series? So basically Like I said before

in this episode another episodes Batman's been

around for 80 years, but your favorite run is

Batman 456 to 577 or something Dude, I'm not

gonna be able to answer that question Superman

You can just make something up Chris you just

like just go for it and then if people are I

actually just love Superman in general. I have

a friend of mine that looks like Clint Kirk and

I am in real life and I'm like, you're secretly

Batman, aren't you? I'm sorry, Batman, wow, I'm

tired today. I'm like, Superman, aren't you?

So I'm going to say, yeah, I also just love the

films too. There's some of my favorite film work

when it comes into superheroes. Again, love superhero

context, but I'm a big fan of the older craft

work. It's probably because I like the nostalgia.

of it and I just think it's better. It's like

Batman with Tim Burton and the older Superman's

just gonna say that. Everybody just hissed at

me and we're like, I do love that. You're like

personal preference, personal preference. Superman

3 taught us a lot of stuff, you know. Yes. I

had to look it up because I don't know what the

run numbers were, but obviously year one, I read

all of those, was 404 -407. So clearly that was

the most formative of my my comic book, you know,

forays into comic books. And then there's like

this really cute like anime like manga. Sorry,

I should say manga series that was based on a

cute little cat that looked like my cat, which

is why I bought it. But I mean, really, there

was like. I only have like one, two and three,

but there's tons more, but you're one. Very cool,

very cool. What is one comic you can read over

and over again, single issue or trade? Well,

I destroyed year one. The end. And it was like

it was a properly bound version. It wasn't just

like it was beautiful. Yeah, I destroyed it.

My sister. I think that's part of the reason

why my sister and I have a very strange relationship.

Oops. Sorry. I think there's Yeah, credit card

companies want their money. Not today, guys.

Bye. Can't get money out of a stone. Exactly.

I don't even exist. I'm here talking about comics.

Yeah, I don't even remember what was happening.

Chrissy? I'm going to say, I'm going to go back

to comic strips. I'm going to say the far side.

One of my favorites as well. So I could read

those I could read comic strips all day every

day along with like Family Circus Those were

like some of my favorites so I can always go

back to that There's something about like opening

up a comic strip book that I think that there's

just if you want to have a good laugh And to

me, that's my that's why I love side nine happiness

so much Very cool. Very cool Now we don't like

being negative on the show, but we do have a

couple of negative questions because they Offer.

Discussion. Are there comics you avoid altogether?

So like you go into your local comic book shop

and you're perusing and you're perusing and you

see a. Let's see what's the you see a Larflees

comic in between Swamp Thing and and Batman or

something like basically you're in your comic

shop and you're looking around and there's just.

You know, you know that whatever comic that is

you just have zero interest in it Yeah Um for

me it's like anything where And I know this is

like a loaded gun considering I said catwoman

is one of my was one of my obsessions but anything

where On the cover of the comic book. The woman

is like overly sexualized and I also did not

did not connect with Harley Quinn because I for

all intents and purposes have also emerged from

an abusive relationship so I found that her characterization

and how she came her origin story and how she

came to be I didn't I personally didn't like

it I found it triggering so sometimes I'm just

like either there they just are over sexualizing

Women's figures and then immediately that's like

a no -go and it could really be anything and

there's even there was one particular Catwoman

Comic I remember because when I was little and

my parents were just like, okay Go just go and

get yourself a comic book because you destroyed

your sisters You should get your own instead

of ruining all of their belongings and I went

to the store and there was like there was a new

design for Catwoman and I just was like What

is going on? Like she she was just all tits and

I was like, okay, this is clearly at that moment,

I felt like this was not made for me. This comic

book was not made to be inclusive of me as a

reader, and that it was created for a very specific

audience of which I was not necessarily a member

of. And that's the part where I'll kind of like,

you know, people can make choices however they

want. I mean, that's the great democracy of of

capitalism, I guess, whenever it's running correctly.

as you can spend your money on whatever products

you want and endorse those products as being

the, you know, worthy of your your dollars, your

hard earned cash. So, I mean, whenever I'm choosing,

I typically will try and choose things that will

enrich me, teach me something new. I get to maybe

support a new artist. But if it comes down to

it, where it's like. I just feel that it's like

women. Like there's so many women illustrators

and authors right now in the space that there

is absolutely no reason for a comic to be released

that isn't in consultation at least with a female

artist or writer and get some of these right

because it's toxic. Like in my mind, I'm like

erroneous depictions and over sexualized depictions

of men and women in comic books is harmful, right?

You're just like... You know girls growing up

thinking that they have tiny waists and you know

Brazilian butt lifts and whatever and guys thinking

that you know have the ideal body as they need

to have a certain like six pack six pack and

all the rest of it and This is not the case.

So yeah, we're not gonna look at anything. I

agree I echo Marie on that we're not gonna read

anything as a female that has like a character

that is portrayed as dumb so You know, I'm not

I'm not up for that. If anything, I'd rather

be a stronger narrative female, so I would stay

away from that as well. But I'm also a fan of

like going down like artist alley and like finding

new stuff, because there are tons of artists

that are coming in. There's tons of different

comic books that people are creating that are

independent, that are really, really great. So,

you know, I'm a fan of that looking at I think

I had a friend of mine that did. It was like

toilet monsters and she had like a whole release

of it and she was the lead in the comic book

and then she created with a comic book team that

like animators that made it and they did I think

they've done like two books. So she's actually

done a pretty good run of it. So like stuff like

that I think is a little more fun and indifferent.

It's not always just staying in the same vein

as mainstream. It's going a little bit off, you

know off kilter. Absolutely. So let me ask you

lovely ladies a bonus question. Does it matter

to you if it is a male or female writer writing

a male or female character? So I try, I have

all six volumes, but I've always wanted to go

back and look at the new 52 Supergirl run. Mike

Johnson is the writer on that. And I read like

three panels and I'm like, this just doesn't

read right to me. Like, do you feel like? Not

saying necessarily that only female writers should

write female, you know, like male writers should

never write female care. I'm not trying to say

that. I'm trying to ask, do you feel like sometimes

there's a disconnect when either gender is writing

either gender of the character kind of thing?

For sure. I'm going to say it depends on the

person who's writing it. That's their outlook

of life. You know how they even they think about

women how they perceive women or how they perceive

men if it's a woman writing a man How they perceive

it if there's more stereotypes if they're open

-minded, so i'm going to say it's totally based

on the individual But i'm not opposed to a man

writing a woman and a woman writing a man. There's

different perspectives Also, it could be a totally

different character too, right? There's yeah

I think it just depends on who the person is

that's writing it and what their intentions are

when they're writing it. I think that probably

makes more sense because who says that a man

can't write a really wonderful, full dynamic

female character that might be based off somebody,

right? Well, right, but you could be basing a

character off his wife and he spends so much

time with her and he loves her dearly or he has

like his daughter. You know, I think that it

just depends and he probably knows her so well

and he spent his whole life with her. Why wouldn't

you, why wouldn't that just be close to who the

care, who that person is? So I don't know. I

think it just depends on what the intention is.

I mean, I, I would sit and say like, try and

avoid it if possible and, and write for what

you know, because there's certain things about

like, as a as a female obviously there's tons

of things about the male experience that I couldn't

even understand like how their sort of motivations

in certain situations for me might are going

to go through a female lens and it's not a good

or bad I mean like vive la difference as the

French say but If you really want to have like

truly in depth and like fully formed and fully

fledged characters, then you need to be able

to get into that world. And if you yourself are

not of that gender or not of that ethnicity or

race or experience or whatever, then it's really

important to bring people into the fold that

are like you can have. I mean, it's not every

comic book. It's not written by one person quite

often. You have three or four different writers

contributing to a project. And I think that having

Diverse writing team allows for the stories to

be even better because it's like I mean, let's

think about it historically and traditionally

most comic books have that entire industry has

been dominated by the male perspective and What

while it has done so much for it? It really has

I mean it's many of the characters that we know

and love were created by men but what would have

been different in how the female characters would

have been treated if they're you know women and

there's like the there's the test where it's

the the lamp the lamp test in comic books where

you can take a look at a storyline and if the

female character can be replaced with lamp and

it doesn't affect the storyline whatsoever then

she's just she's just illustrated as a prop um

when you can have and i think we realize this

now whenever we're looking at stories and especially

What's being shared on television? some of the

most popular films and characters and series

are female led and I think it's just because

it's it's as Unfortunately as it sounds they're

fresh and new like Wonder Woman it came out great

movie They did a fantastic second one in 1984

weren't but You know even like Captain Marvel

like I loved it and even going back to the show

Agent Carter I loved like you get to Really connect

with characters, but I think that it's important

to have a female perspective if you're writing

a female character And I think it's important

to have a queer perspective if you're writing

in a gay character for example. It's the same

It's not just like men and women and yeah Yeah,

so that's basically it All right getting because

I just I don't know I've always and I I would

have asked my other male friends but I'm not

on a podcast right now with my other male friends

because ever since I started I tried reading

that that Supergirl new 52 run it just didn't

read right to me and I don't know if it was because

at the time I had been watching the show so much

and whatever I don't know anyway Are there any

comics in the past or currently that you wish

you had not read them? Like you I wish I could

get that ten minutes of my life back No, yeah,

I'm gonna say no to like it depends if it's like

really that bad like if you go onto something

independent and it's just Horrible. Yeah, and

yeah, maybe that would be the time too. But Alex

I'm all into supporting new creators and you

know, so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say not

gonna rag on anybody The question isn't really

about like it's more about like whatever Kelly

whatever comic it was like The story itself even

though that right like i'm not saying you're

gonna sit here and say negative things about

a writer i'm saying that The story itself just

wasn't for you and I kind of wish I had that

time back like I could have like Stopped and

gone and did something that I would enjoy versus

continuing this that i'm not really enjoying

it. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean I wouldn't

I would say in terms of comic books that I don't

choose to purchase. I don't choose to purchase

hentai so I mean as much as I love porn. I guess

I don't want to read manga porn. Like, that's

probably like, it's not, it's not a genre that

I, I really connect with. I don't feel like that's,

I don't need that in my comic books, but I guess

it's a whole other art form into itself. Like

people love it and I respect it for what it is.

I'm not looking down on it. It's just not This

is not my thing. Like if I'm looking for the

motivations of my main character, it's not about

like, you know Fucking the truth out of them

or whatever. The storyline is like it's porn.

Yeah, I Think the closest we've come to porn

on this podcast is sex criminals folks And we've

only done three of the six volumes or five volumes

or how many there are of that series How large

or small is your physical comic book collection?

Oh, gosh, mine would be smaller. Murray's more

of a comic book fan than I am, so I would say

mine's a lot smaller. But again, comic strips.

I have way more of those in books of those that

I would say of any form of comics, like comic

books. Yeah, mine is mostly like vintage and

like old comics. I still have the box, like I

just because they're. They have such a strong

sentimental meaning for me. And those I have,

which is it's a lot, like hundreds upon hundreds

upon hundreds. As far as New York comics, I had

recently let go of a few like Batgirl comics,

but I did keep an anthology of the runaways.

That was basically like to try and minimize it.

And I've given away a lot to like my nephews

because, you know, Want to foster their love

for for the art form as much as I possibly can

so I think we'll be Jonas which is like my youngest

nephew is the only one that is kind of into comic

books so But that's it. I mean mostly is just

the really really old again like the enchanted

merry -go -round the magic merry -go -round.

That's it and Anything outside of that a couple

of I've got a couple Spider -Man, I can't remember

which one's off the top of my head. They're all

in storage right now. And then, as I said, the

runaways, that's it. So small. Very cool, very

cool. What is the one comic you could never live

without ever? So basically, the house is on fire.

Every human, person, pet, whatever is safe. But

you're going to run back in to save this one

comic because you can't live without it. Mine

again comic strip will be Cyanide and happiness.

I will take all of my collection plushie my t

-shirts My the picture that they did for me along

with the comic books and run out This is again

gonna come out of the blue I'm sure is like a

gem in the holograms comic because again, it's

like it's very like childhood warm and front

fuzzy it's like That probably be it and then

also very obscurely. There is an there was a

issue of Archie that went out in like 1991 and

it was Archie and the gang went to the Canada

games and that year the Canada games were on

Prince Edward Island and that's where I'm from

and they went across like all the different venues

on the island to go they did synchronized swimming

and Summerside and they went to Charlottetown

that one is means so much to me like it doesn't

have any cash value to it But it means so much

to me because it was a mainstream comic that

somehow had bizarrely decided that they were

going to do one specific about the Canada games,

which unto itself is like really niche. And in

addition to that, it was even more niche because

it was on PEI. So it's like our team is getting

like Veronica is in Somerset and my mind was

blown. So I probably would save that one because.

It's a little bit of nostalgia and also it just

means a lot to me because it's related to my

home, my home province and my hometown. I also

was supposed to compete that year in synchronized

swimming. I couldn't because I hurt my knee and

I was very sad about that. So, you know, it's

like a little bit of everything. Yeah, that sucks.

What was the most money you spent on a comic

or a comic item? This could be something from

a convention or anything like that. I don't know

how much I've actually spent. I've spent a lot,

even just magnets and original art. I'm going

to say at least like 70, 80 bucks on a whole

bunch of stuff. Like it just in one go. Um, just

like in one, if it's one artist, but yeah, that's,

that's what I would say. If it's independent

or if it's just actually from like, again, like

cyanide and happiness always. Um, so yeah, I

would, I would probably say that much between,

yeah, like 70 and 80. Um, I don't think I've

spent very little, like I don't really go out

to like, when I'm going to any of the Comic Cons,

um, For me, I just want to see like the people

I want to see some memorabilia and definitely

I want to excuse to go and cosplay and When it

comes to like purchasing items in that space

I it really needs to be something that brings

it alive for me The one thing I wanted that I

never was able to get was there was a limited

run Makeup line that was all based on Sailor

Moon and it was a Japanese. It was a Japanese

company And what they had done is they had recreated

each one of their transformation wands And they

were perfect. They were beautiful, you know,

they weren't chintzy recreations but when you

opened it each one was a lipstick and I Lost

my mom. I just loved it. I thought that was probably

the most For me, I was like that's the greatest

I love makeup and I love Sailor Moon So that

was one thing I would have put money down, but

it was in order to get it import it They had

already just they had already been on sale for

quite a while. So I came into it late. So I would

have been spending that three hundred dollars

on it. But I still I want sailor Mars specifically

all the other sailor scouts sailor Mars. That's

who she's my girl. I need some ray, you know.

But I couldn't find it. Sailor Mars transformation

was gone. So I'm still in the hunt for it. So

it's still an expense pending. But I'm sure I'll

end up spending oodles on that just to have it.

They did a great job on it, though. They're beautiful.

Very cool, very cool. Yeah, usually when I ask

that question, it's like, you know, I bought

this Green Lantern ring that this actor wore

or I bought a broken Batarang or something or

other, you know, just those like those special,

like the comic item thing is more of like, oh,

This is really unique. This is really cool. Like

those... Was it you, Christy, that mentioned

GEM? Yeah, that was Murray. Oh, that was Murray.

Okay. So, sorry. That's okay. We're all having

a rough day here, folks. No, GEM is great. GEM

is to be shared. No, no, no. What I'm saying

is me remembering things. We're all having a

rough day around here, folks. No, when they did

the first five issues of the IDW series, or the

first, no, I'm sorry, it was the first two issues.

The first two issues of the IDW series, if you

pre -ordered a special whatever it was, this

foil box set or whatever it was, you basically

got five copies of number one. in this foil box,

but each of the copies of the number one had

Jerrica, Kimber, Aja, Shayna. Oh God, who am

I forgetting? Who am I forgetting? There's Kimber.

Yeah, I got that. Yeah, Jerrica, Kimber, Aja,

Shayna. And Rhea was later. That's right. She

was the replacement for Shayna because, but she

did it by coercion. It was very it was a spicy

storyline. Yeah, she was the she was the best

drummer, but I mean the fact that I love that

she was Hispanic my mother bought it for her

because she's like, oh she's brown like you Well,

I mean you grow up in a mixed household there's

like your parents want you to see yourself in

your toys and so I had a gem doll for sure like

how could you not and then the only other doll

that she gave me out of the series was Raya because

she was like beige and she's like here you go

and you can play with her but I loved because

Raya only became the drummer because she saw

uh Jerrica transform into gem and they couldn't

have like she couldn't be loose with the secret

But she was also a really great drummer, so it

was really unfortunate that she got the role

by default. Anyway, go on. That comic series

is severely underrated. The Eddie W. Kelly Thompson

series? Oh, severely underrated. Severely. Also,

Kelly Thompson making them to these punk goddess

superstars, I love. I mean, that is a cosplay

I would love to do. For sure. For sure. Absolutely.

Was there ever a moment when you were done with

comics? Like, I don't want to read anymore. I'm

done. Probably as I started getting older, it

was like you started getting into other topics.

I'm big into ufology, so I started getting into

that. And just like, yeah, I think I just started

kind of evolving away from it. And then you evolve

back into things that you love to connect with,

I think as a child. So I think when I started

going to Comic -Cons and Fan Expos and went into

that world, then it brought me back into that.

But that was like in my later... uh 20s and then

30s when I started going to do that so I would

yeah I would say probably like as a teenager

and stuff I started to migrate out of it and

started migrating into like more like mainstream

things um and not all mainstream like ufology

now is but it wasn't then but that's I would

say probably then like yeah my like my teenage

year is getting into like my early 20s yeah well

the guy ever really stopped it's But it's a good

question. I just think my tastes and my exploration

space changed a lot Especially moving to the

city and having access to so much more than I

ever had access before and Really seeing the

possibilities in that that kind of makes it exciting

and that's really when I was able to really step

in that space because not only did I have access

to it I have permission to to just do whatever

it is that I wanted to. Like I could go to the

reference library is close to where I live. Just

go in and just sit down with a ton of comics

and just read my way through it. So I don't really

think there was a period where I kind of stopped.

I mean, yeah. Yeah, I guess like more. Yeah,

no, no, there is. She's like trying to talk herself

into and out of the answer to the question at

all at the same time. Yeah. I'm like, no, no,

there isn't. Cause every time I go through, I'm

like, no, no, no, no. Cause then, then you rediscovered

Shira. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. And then you

found like some old, no, no. Okay. So alas, no.

What are you reading right now? And what do you

think our listeners should check out? I'm not

reading any like. Right at this moment, I'm not

reading any comic book right at the moment. You

need your own special comic strip origins. I

see because you're like comic books. It's just,

comic books are great, but I think it's the humor

that I love in comic strips. Don't get me wrong,

comic books are fabulous, but it's just that

I am a comic strip girl because I just, yeah,

it's the humor, it's the playfulness. I'm big

into cartoons. I drew cartoons since I was a

little girl, so I was always drawing, and then

I got into painting and doing oil paintings,

so that world made sense to me. Comic strips

made sense to me, and it doesn't mean that comic

books don't have fabulous illustrations. because

obviously they do, but I was more closer to the

cartoon comic book world. So that's my, so yeah,

so if anything, I'll pick that up occasionally

and start reading it, but not, not anything like

right now when it comes to a comic book. Dude,

I'm trying to make my way through the MCU and

that's really has been where all of my attention

has been for the past few months. And I said

that I would finish it come mid November because

my friend Steve sailor was like, when you get

to end game. Have to be there and I was like,

okay, I guess mid November. Um, I'm really far

from that goal at this point So you're on Ragnarok.

You're close dude. There's so I still have oh,

there's so many more TV shows It's the TV shows

that will bog you down because at first you're

like I think 12 episodes is a great stretch for

a series but they they're not they're so there's

so many more i'm like watching agents of shield

is like what 24 25 episodes 45 minute episodes

like it's so much to watch I need to rediscover

agents of as I lovingly referred to it over like

is I'm one of those people and I understand I

do this to people too where I will oh you my

god you need to read this but if people if something

is shoved into my face I will avoid it at all

costs and for years and years and years all the

time that agents of shield was on television

I'm like I am not watching agents of shit I am

sorry Colson died he died he's dead I don't want

to watch his life model decoy anyway Say Steve

sailor Sorry, say Steve sailor. Yeah Steve Steve.

Yeah, my my snowball man my BFF Yeah, Steve both

Chrissy and I are both friends with him Uh -huh.

Yeah. Well, I interviewed him years ago between

for this week in for GCR and for this week in

geek Mike Dodd Steve sailor all that stuff Yeah,

no, I'm like Wait, did she just mention? Yeah.

So you don't like Dodson? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I've seen that boy and a long time. Yeah. He's

had some health issues recently, I believe. So,

you know, I know all that. Oh, almost all that

crew between Steve and Mike and Dave Dennis.

And I didn't really get to know Pierce that well

because I didn't get to record with him that

much. But, you know. I've been wanting to get

Steve on some shows lately for a while, but he

never answers my any of my messages anyway. Oh,

he's better tell Steve. Yeah. Yeah, we'll tell

him. He's he's very busy. He's very busy. His

his his star is on the rise right now and he's

getting ready to go to the Game Awards. Oh, wow.

Yeah, so I can't remember if he's presenting

or he's winning an award. It's one or it could

be one or the other or both Yeah, so I'm gonna

go shopping with him and because you can't see

Implicit trust in me to be able to pick out an

outfit that's gonna look at because these custom

Limited indigen Xbox Nikes that were made. There's

only like Five of them made or something, and

he has a pair of them. He's like, I'm wearing

these. I'm like, I can't imagine anywhere better

for you to wear them. So anybody who's seen and

this makes it in the show, Steve Saylor is otherwise

known as the blind gamer. Yes, yes, he is. Yeah.

And he's dope. He's great. Has a show, his channel

on Twitch. He's great. He's doing a Twitch takeover

mid -December as well. Oh, very cool. Very cool.

I haven't talked to Steve in years. I've had

so many ideas to do shows with him over the years.

This pullback origins actually has gotten wider

into the geek cast radio network where we now

have our cartoon podcast now has the basically

same thing. Instead of 25 questions, it's 30

questions, but it's all about how you get into

watching cartoons and that kind of thing. We

have one all about podcasting. We have 30 questions.

We ask podcasts, producers and listeners and

everything else. But yeah, Steve's awesome. All

right. Last five questions here. Heroes, heroines,

anti -heroes and heroines, or villains? What

archetypes are your go -to reads? Anti -hero.

Cut and dry. The end. Chrissy? Yeah, I'm going

to say that, too. I'll also say like a good villain.

I agree. I think a good villain is always needed

in many, many ways, like you said before, Marie.

So punish, pop, repeat, huh? No, that's not the

title of anything. I was gonna say title of your

hentai, but it doesn't work. No, it doesn't work.

Do you have a my parents got rid of my comics

story? No, just my sister taking back year one

when I destroyed it. She was pissed. She was

so upset. But I mean, like, come on. We have

younger siblings. You kind of expect that at

some point, they're going to fall in love with

something that you own. I mean, if she didn't

want me to have it, then she shouldn't have made

it. She should have taken better care of it.

Yeah, she shouldn't have put it in a box in her

closet. Oh, OK. Like it was her stuff from university

that she had packed up for her to grab whenever

she came back home and she like moved into her

new place and I was like ooh, what's in here?

What will I find and I literally was like just

like exactly it was the visual of like The kid

bent overhead first in like a toy box and just

like throwing stuff. No, no, no, no, no. Oh,

what's this? This shall be mine. And then she

took it. She's like, I really like this. I'm

like, yeah, but I liked it more. So anyway, so

that's it. I lost that. I can I can just imagine

you and your sister now. in a version of I liked

it more no I liked it more mom she's touching

me I'm not touching her she's touching me I'm

not touching you he's touching me he's touching

I'm not touching you I'm not touching touching

you Their choice of activities? Dubious. Their

choice of drinks? Obvious. Because Sunny D has

a taste they crave and a full day supply of vitamin

C. Soda has no vitamins. You're touching me.

Nothing can touch it. Sunny D, the good stuff

kids go for. So let's say you're looking for

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.I. Joe, Transformers, Ninja Turtles, He -Man,

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to star Joe's podcast. I'm your host Ryan and

I'm Chuck. That's right everybody We're the star

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Where we talk about your favorite comic books

your favorite toys of all the 80s properties

Star Wars GI Joe Transformers mask Thundercats

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is half the battle. This is crazy! You guys are

family! Ohana! Why are you fighting? Because

he ruins everything! Not my fault! Then whose

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Go! Do you even remember the names of any of

the characters in it? No. Do you even know who

Selina Kyle is? No, you don't. So just go. Otherwise

I'm telling mom. What is one comic item from

a comic book that you'd love to have in the real

world? So any comic item that's in a comic...

Again, I will reference like the Green Lantern

ring or Batman's Batarang or whatever, basically

scaled up and functional for the real world.

I say Batman's vehicle because it's actually

not like it's a full vehicle, but we don't have

real ones in the real world. So I would drive

around that. It's like a pimped up Marcia Lago,

but even better. Which version? Oh, I don't know.

There are only two correct answers, actually

three, but two. Can I take a movie version? Well,

yeah, that's the whole point. Well, I didn't

know if. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm like,

yeah. Then I'm going to take Tim Burton's version

of it. Yeah. Yeah. The three correct versions

are 89 animated series. And then once we get

so far in the future that our children have to

be around instead of us, Batman, Beyond's, Upside

Down, Because all is the Batman Beyond Batmobile

is, is an upside down souped up BTAS Batmobile.

So anyway, what about you, Marie? I would clearly

steal Captain America's shield so that Chris

Evans can come and reclaim it from me. That's

my reasoning behind that. You better be careful.

You might get the old Steve. No, let's know I'm

I will make sure that I rake into Chris Evans

house and I will take whatever because I'm sure

he has he's been gifted a prop for it for like

as as a souvenir of his time as Captain America

I will take that item The power of it obviously

is going to be in that it will bring Chris Evans

to me. He will see me. He'll realize that he

loves me. I will give him back of like, oh, haha,

thought it was mine. Sorry. I saw it when I was

walking down the street and I picked it up. I'm

so happy I was able to save it for you. And then

that's it. That's our that's the history of it.

The story of our love blossomed. I feel like

this is going to turn into a new oxygen true

crime special at some point. Like Marie Marie

trying to get a date with Chris Evans. Otherwise,

I would want if I can't have Chris Evans, I mean

his I guess I would go for Iron Man suit because

obviously why wouldn't why wouldn't anybody want

that or Jem's earrings because that's cool a

hologram at all times just so my ears like that

technology is great or again Sailor Mars's transformation

wand. And that would be it. Yeah, I will suggest

this to you now. I think the closest you're gonna

get to dating Chris Evans is watching the movie

he directed, his directorial debut, Before We

Go. That sounds like a challenge. Yes, it is.

If you could create any comic storyline, what

would you want to create and what characters

would you want to create it with? Basically,

Marvel, DC, IDW, Image, Dynamite, Dark Horse,

whomever gives you the keys to the kingdom, what

would you do with it? Oh, I know exactly what

I would do with it. You go, Marie. This is your

go. Okay, so I would create a classic... comic

storyline featuring Chrissy and I. Chrissy is

the goddess who commands the stars, so she's

a superhero, and she has the power to like fly

and do all sorts of stuff in space. I am like

the daughter of Earth, and I have the power to

like control, assist things on land. Of course,

I feel like it would be a Marvel thing. And yeah,

and we just like... Basically stir up shit. So

like when we're not entirely superheroes We're

kind of just like people living our lives and

going about and just trying to like do our podcast

and like be happy and have a great time and not

have to wait in a queue when we're trying to

go to a club and Trying to get Chris Evans to

call us back. Like we have very normal lives

But at the same time we're mischievous and we

just stir up shit and then sometimes we go a

little bit too far and then we have to fix it

That would be what I would do I think it would

be hilarious. I would love it. It would be perfect.

That would be very, very interesting. I mean,

we're adorable. Well, I think that I'm going

to agree with you on all fronts for that. Right?

I don't think you could. I'm going to put that

we're able to fly, though, too. Oh, for sure.

We have to be able to fly. Oh, I get to go by

plane. We just fly. Yeah, well, for sure you

fly 100%. And you have the control over light,

which I think is a really interesting thing because

stars star light. So you can fly you have control

over light, I can I want to breathe underwater.

And I can't fly but like an airbender, I can

manipulate air. So that would be cool. And then

we'll say we'll bring be with us my dog and he's

the shape shifter. You basically want to be the

Wonder Twins with Gleek. Really? Yeah, yeah.

Let's do this. I mean, give me a second and I

can draft up a much better version of the story,

but you're putting my imagination on the fly

right now. I think we need like... Like B should

be more like Orko from He -Man. I like Orko.

Orko was like, I'm glad the way they treated

him in the new He -Man. I think he deserved a

fair shake of it. I really dig what they did

in the CGI version. I like Revelation because

we actually... We actually have a whole podcast

that we've been doing over the last decade or

so. This is a problem, folks. When you get to

be a 12, 13 -year veteran of podcasting, you

have so much content that you can bring up almost

anything. But yeah, I love what they did with

him in the CGI version, the more kidified version

of it. I thought that making robot or code, I

thought that was really cool. But what they did

with him in Revelation was really good, too.

Alright last question. What is the one piece

of advice you would give the comics reading fandom?

Watch our show Or listen to it. Oh, yeah, you

can listen to her show. Sorry. So used to like

thinking Yeah, I mean that's I Don't know what

else to say. There's no pearl of wisdom that

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