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Stealth Hammer #1 Review

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Hello and welcome to The Pull Bag. This is episode
419 .5. That's right, folks, another .5 episode.
I am, of course, TF2 and Mike, and my guest today
has been on this network for the longest time,
but it's been a while since she's been here.
It is none other than Amy, AKA Lady Rack. Hello.
Hello. It's good to be here. Yes, it is very
good to have you here. And, of course, the last
time you were on the GCRN's, not necessarily
The Pull Bag, but was back in February of this
year when we got your podcast approach over on
Studio 2009. Before that you did a couple episodes
in 2020 and 2019 and then obviously all the other
history things that you've done since then. So
today we are here to talk about Ryan Drost's
Stealth Hammer. Ryan is a good buddy of mine.
He runs the show. He's one half or whatever you
want to call of Star Joe's along with his buddy
Chuck. and all the other people that do the show
over there. And he did a Kickstarter, he actually
did it twice. He didn't succeed the first time,
but he succeeded the second time, called Stealth
Hammer. This is a comic he wanted to produce
and write and have, you know, obviously you have
to have artists and all that and everything else.
And I participated in the Kickstarter when it
was going on. It's literally the first physical
comic book I've had in over four years. I do
not do physical comics anymore, folks, because
they take up too much space, and I much prefer
Comixology Guided View. I wish Comixology...
Which is okay, because I like it too. Right.
I wish that Comixology would do something. I
wish Amazon, since Amazon owns them. I wish Amazon
would let them do something similar to what iTunes
used to do, where you could import your CDs.
I wish I could import the PDF of this into Comixology,
because it's not on Comixology. But no, Stealth
Hammer, it's one issue. It's a full story. It's
fun. Like I said before, I've done two other
podcasts here inside the pullback with Ryan.
And I felt that this might be something cool,
interesting, and different for Amy and I to do
considering we normally talk about giant robots
that want to destroy the world. Yes. I don't
know. I don't know if they want to destroy the
world. Some of them do. Some of them don't. Well,
one giant one wants to all the time. He's just
like, I'm hungry. Wah, wah, wah. Except for that
one. One of many. Yeah. Except for that one series
where they actually made him the center of the
earth. Oh boy that that's a commentary that Holy
crap that that the fact that in Transformers
Prime Unicron was the center of the earth That
was a different take I was okay with that I was
okay with it It had never done been done before
and then the movie verse tried to do it and I
was like no you did it wrong I don't think it
could be done wrong, but that was it. Yep All
right, so we are here to talk about Ryan's stealth
hammer as I said it is one issue Hopefully he
does get to do more of this and What did you
think of the art so far? We'll go through the
story in a minute But I mean, what did you think
of the art initially when you first saw it? I
liked it. I mean it It definitely looked very
professional. Now, of course, I listened to the
other two reviews of the other conversations
that you've had with him that you've recorded.
And so I know that he actually did get, like,
people right out of college or right out of a
class or whatnot. And it shows. I mean, the art
is really good. It's really ace. And the coloring
is really great. I mean, the quality of the work
is quite nice. It's what I didn't know what to
expect, but it's what I would expect to see in
any professional -looking comic book. It was
done well. I mean, there are a few things that
I'd niggle at that I was like, eh, meh, but I
didn't have a very big bone to pick with any
of it. It's just little stuff. I mean, if I was
a, let's just say this, if I was a director of,
say, some comic book company or an editor, An
artist handed this to me. I don't see anything
in here that would make me go, no, you're not
ready yet. Everything in here screams they're
ready to start a very good career in comic book
writing or drawing and illustrating. Yeah. Mm
-hmm. So just, there are two stories in here.
Just to get the creative out of the way, Ryan
Drost, creator, writer, Joel Jackson, artist,
Ross Hughes, colorist. Evan Evans, Lacey Hart,
and Julio Santos are on color assist. Dave Sharp
is the letterer on the first story. Second story,
obviously Ryan is on writing. Alexander Scott
is the artist, colorist, and the letterer on
that one. The editor was Quinn Jones, and logo
and untitled design was done by Ryan's wife,
Jamie Grost. So this one, this is all about Jamie.
and How she gets superpowers oh Boy I would I
know what what I noticed in the right? I don't
know if it's the way that the I Love you Ryan,
dude, but as I read through this both in the
actual physical comic itself that I'm holding
in my hand Through just because I read it that
way and I also read it on the PDF because I wanted
to make sure I got everything I don't know if
it's the PDF or if it's the physical comic but
There are several times in the beginning here
where I feel like sentences just end Like Jamie
will say something and then it will move on to
a different thing immediately. Yeah Like the
this whole thing with her taking her boyfriend
Kyle to to catch the bus and and everything there's
just a couple of things in here where it just
feels like the writing is it's good but it's
the pacing had some issues yeah it's like I said
that like a few times when I was looking at it
at the PDF I'm like okay Jamie said this to him
He said that to her but then it's a conflict.
It's like the thought process was interrupted
and they just moved on with no transition Yeah,
yeah, and that's that's a pacing issue. Yeah
And and some of the dialogue is Like the dialogue
as well. There's there's a few things in the
dialogue that we'll get to that when we get there,
but yeah See Jamie is taking her boyfriend Kyle
to see her to meet her father and Like I said,
they have to catch the bus They eventually get
to her house and apparently the neighbors not
too thrilled with her dad. Yeah It came within
an inch of my house Whatever before we go that
far though. I mean if you go back to the page
where it where Jamie is rushing after the bus
that they miss mm -hmm There are a few things
that I thought as just they were strange little
things that I just quite thought were a little
odd in Perception at least okay part where she
jumps over Like the barrier and then swings around
the pole. Yeah the perspective is really odd
to me and I didn't get it at first but I kind
of wondered just because after I listened to
the to the show that you recorded with him that
there's homages like throughout the book yeah
and I wonder if this was supposed to be a homage
here that because her arms are really long and
stretch fantastic yeah I didn't catch it at first
I thought well that's a really weird perspective
because I didn't realize that this was just chock
full of So many lodges that and so I kind of
I gotta. I gotta say that I think that that I
don't know. It was weird. It was just like, OK,
I don't understand why that looks so weird. It
looks like her arms are really elongated and
I wasn't quite sure that that it really worked
for me because of that, because I thought, well,
she's not a superhero yet. Is she? Yeah, no,
so yeah. It's funny because when she grabs Kyle
on the previous page, I mean, it's the same It's
the left side of the same page here Her arms
aren't that long Well, that's an odd wonky thing
to do I mean there are a few little things like
that throughout and I knew you've asked about
the artist that there and I think these was our
actual You know, I didn't realize until after
I listened to your show Recording with him what
that was and then I was like, oh, okay Well for
a comic book reader that has never like I read
some of those things, but I didn't expect it
to be so blatantly obvious They were homaging
so much stuff that it was just it was an odd
choice to me Yeah, so And I have more to say
about that later, but I just, you know, poke,
I wanted to point out some of the little things
that are like, yeah, there's these things. I
don't know if he had to be that obvious about
it because. No, but I don't know. I think that.
Trying to think, I mean, if you look at it, they're
trying, he's trying to shoot in the art, they're
trying to show speed because they have to catch
the bus. Got so so at the top of that page. They're
running. They're running. She's jumping over
the the barrier and then Yeah, I Don't know if
I stand in front of it it came it was really
fast like yeah the transition between Him her
grabbing him and pulling him and then driving
there the the transition seems like really really
fast Yeah, and like you said it kind of feels
like there's missing pieces to it that didn't
transition very well. Yeah, and it doesn't, like,
analyzing it right now, it takes me out of the
comic. When I read it, it didn't really take
me out of the comic, but then I noticed Kyle
is not behind her, he's to the left of the bus.
Yeah, because he's talking in... Gasping like
yeah running at super flash speeds over here
with fantastic alarms and and stuff and I think
I and I could be wrong. This is just my own brain
putting into it. I think the thing that they're
trying to convey in the art and Ryan also in
the writing is that She's going to become a superhero
at some point Within the rest of the story. I
think that's kind of like that was kind of implied
because she's likes on the first page talking
about you know, I've you know Mm -hmm. This story
begins, you know Yeah, I don't know really need
to see on over abundance of that I mean, I I
think that tell the story as it is and just make
that make it work but like I don't know that
was another thing that I kind of Was little I
thought that they were bashing me over the head
with facts superhero superhero superhero. I was
like, okay Yeah, I get that because it's a comic
book called stealth hammer I knew opening this
up that somebody was going to be a stealth hammer
So I a lot of I feel like a lot of the writing
I was being bashed over the head with the foreshadowing
She's gonna be cool. Look at her. She's peppy
I think that in doing that, that they forgot
to make her human because she comes across like
this really chipper, incredibly positive, like
overly positive, and I don't, you know, I've
had a hard time relating to her as a person reading
a character that is, like it kind of reminds
me of, okay, so. When I was, when My Little Pony
first came out and I, you know, watched the whole
thing, I sit and binged a bunch of it, like a
couple seasons. And within like sitting there
and doing it for like, I don't know, I remember
it was like for a couple hours, like I don't
remember specifically, but I remember having
this fact where you get too much cotton candy
or too much happiness and joy in your life and
you just suddenly. I feel like, oh my gosh, it's
overkill. I can't do this anymore. And I turned
everything off. And that's kind of how I kind
of felt within just the first half, because there's
two parts of the story. The first half of the
story, it felt like that. I was getting an overload
of cotton candy and it was just way too much.
And the more I look at it and the more I come
back to this, I'm like. It makes Jamie come off
as a Mary Sue, which is kind of not what you
want to be doing for a first comic. I mean, I
don't want to necessarily say that, but it's
one of those things where I think that happens
up until the point where they get to her dad's
house, to her house, essentially. Then you know
we get through you know her showing him all these
cool paintings and things and telling him about
her dad's inventions And then they run into the
evil mustache twirling uncle Yeah, it's funny
that you should say that because that's the one
thing he's lacking is the mustache twisting Yeah,
well Yeah, so Yeah, it just kind of so it goes
from that to them meeting the uncle in the in
the lab here and She thought that oh, I didn't
think you and dad were working on anything anymore
kind of thing and The uncle just has this evil
grin on his face kind of like a Megatron Beast
Wars Megatron grin at times And, uh, next thing
you know, the lab explodes. So, no more bubble
gum. Yeah, but even, I don't know, even how she
handles, like, she wakes up and it's just, I
had, again, I still had the hard time relating
to the character just because you just got blowed
up. It might even be that your uncle did it.
And at this point, we don't even know what happens
to Kyle because he kind of drops completely out
of the comic at this point when she wakes up
and they move on. And I'm guessing that eventually,
eventually if he comes back to this, that he'll
probably do something with Kyle. But, you know,
all of these things are supposed to happen to
her for her to become this superhero. It's like
she's destined to be that. I get that. That's
usually expected when you open a superhero comic.
But the way that it goes about, it just seems
to me that there's... I guess when I open up
superhero comics and I read something about some
of them, there's... What makes them super is
obviously their superpowers. But there's another
aspect to it. There's... the humanity part that
they become, in a sense, because who they are,
either you become a good guy or a bad guy because
you have superpowers. But some aspect of their
humanity always remains intact. And at this point,
I don't really know her humanity because I haven't
seen any of it. You know what I mean? It's like,
oh no, we're just gonna, like, this whole accident
rolls off her without any consequence. Oh yeah,
the consequence is good because she wanted to
be you know she's going to be a superhero and
that's great but like I mean even there's there's
parts in here where like it seemed like to me
so she's going to visit her dad but yet this
is her uncle striding out of here and if they're
so close it seems to me that she would know that
the uncle isn't like part of the group anymore
Because then we start find that out afterwards
and I'm like, well haven't you been in touch
with your dad? I mean, I know my first year in
college I was calling my parents at least once
a week Right. This was a setup for you to go
and bring your boyfriend which is kind of a big
deal the first time of boyfriend needs a dad
and He acts nervous in the first he acts nervous
when he first hears about that at first And you
know, he's you know along for the ride that is
Jamie But it's kind of odd to me because it was
like, okay, so was this planned or not? Because
then she's like, oh, where's my dad? And he doesn't
show up until afterwards. And it was like, well,
was this rearranged or was this a surprise? Because
it seemed like it was rearranged. So there were
just little holes like that, just little details
that are like, oh, that's right. That was, wait
a second, where is he? Where's the father at?
Anyhow, so there were the little details like
that in the writing that kind of I was like,
wait a second But they're supposed to so the
humanity part and I kind of relate those to humanity
things because those are human details This is
supposed to be her bringing the boyfriend home.
There should be nerves. There should be he's
got nerves She's like, yeah, that's fine. We're
gonna have fun Right. Yeah, she doesn't have
any nerves at all. He does nerves And even if
it's like, hey, this is my dad and I want him
to like the guy that I'm like, hey, we're holding
hands, we're together, we're boyfriend and girlfriend,
this could become something more. And it seems
like, no, it seems a little less loving and more
like, hey, we're just friends. Because there's
no kiss when they first meet. You know, when
you're in love, you're in love. So that's why
I thought, well, you know, I don't, there's just
a few things that I just, I kind of made me question
because those were things that as a female and
having gone through school and having fallen
in love with my first boyfriend and wanting to
bring him home in my first year of college that
I could relate to. And I got none of those cues
at all. And those are. Character traits character
moments that are really great building moments
for this really awesome You know Jamie character
who's gonna become a superhero That's how I relate
to her as a as a reader because I can't relate
to what she's gonna become She's gonna be a superpower
hero, and I can't relate to that. I think it's
cool I like reading about that but as a reader
I'm looking for the human moments that not only
they're super but they still are human and so
they have those human moments and I didn't get
any of that from that so I thought okay well
that's I hope that I hope that I I think that
he I think at some level that's definitely something
he wants to do but like and I kind of get more
of that like later like this first opening part
that was me is that I didn't think it I saw a
little bit more of those character beats later.
And so I thought, OK, we'll see how it goes.
Yeah, and I didn't even really... The first time
I read through this, I completely missed that
Kyle is basically gone after the laugh explosion.
They do say that, oh, he took quite a hit, but
he'll be all right soon or something or other.
And that's great that they... I don't know, this
is 33 pages and I'm thinking that maybe this
first story needed another five pages so you
could speed up this origin. You have the explosion
and all of that, but then you have to, everything
you've just said, you need another three or four
pages. to show the humanity and introduce us
to who these people are. Like I said, what I
said about Kyle, dad, what happened? There was
an explosion. Kyle, he'll be okay, but he took
quite a hit. That's it. I mean, there's no emotional
reaction to him. Oh God, I hope he's okay. I
know that the focus is supposed to be on Jamie.
And so, I mean, I look back at some of the choices
that they made and some of the characters they
put in here, like even the girl on the first
page that they introduced, they actually give
her a name in the front and everything. And I
thought, okay, so if you're giving a character
that's not going to be there for very long, maybe
it makes me want to, I don't know, wonder what
was the point of putting them in there at all
to give them a name if You know, you're just
they're not gonna be back for the rest of it
and then it made me also think well is what's
the point of the boyfriend then other than to
just make give her a reason to go home to have
an explosion there's lots of different ways that
you could write this and That was the next I
was thought well why even put the boyfriend in
and not all maybe she's just going home to visit
her dad and you know There's a way that they
could speed this up. And then I thought, you
know, then I thought about, oh, well, that they
were trying to homage all this stuff. And so
it makes me wonder if they sacrificed the plot
points and character just to have the homages.
And that's what it seems like to me is going
on, which makes sense, too, because this is supposed
to be like, I think he said it was some sort
of like a gift to his wife or something that
they did together. Which I think is fine if that's
what your purpose is, but for a reader, I don't
know anything about that I don't I you know sometimes
I mean I do know some comic book and I did catch
on some of the characters that I think that they
were trying to homage But I don't know if it
serves the story Well, and that's really when
it comes down to writing is if it doesn't serve
the story the plot the character the development
of where you're going then you don't put it in
or you put it in as few as possible so that it
doesn't interrupt or break you out of the story.
And these are the beats that are in here is I
feel like some of the choices were made specifically
for the homage. And that's not a really good
motivation for a story. It doesn't mean that
it can't be better. It just means that it sacrifices
the points that could make it stronger for the
for the little moments. I mean, this is the same
problem that I had with, like, even Marvel's
Endgame, because they did that a lot in that
movie. And it suffered because of that. I didn't
get the same emotional impact that I got in...
Infinity War. Infinity War that I got in Endgame,
because the emotional impact was... enlightened
by the homages and I thought ah Or the just the
the little moments that you that fans wanted
to see and I thought well That's great for those
fans. That means that you're catering to specific
crowd. But what is the store? How does the story
there the story set is? Sacrifices that it sacrifices
the conflict this sacrifices the moments the
emotional impact that it can make me feel Involved
and invited to be a part of it. And so that was
For a first issue I get the the want to put homages
in because But you have to earn those moments
too because as a as a new writer you've got a
You've got to tell a really great story and that
makes me want to come back Yeah, I really want
to come back to this at least the first half
I Looking at this again and hearing what you're
saying I Ryan story is Ryan story. I'm not taking
that away from him at all. Yeah, but it's done.
It's been published. It's going Yeah, going into
this And just thinking about it and looking at
this panel by panel page by page They should
have opened with They he could have still opened
with what he opens with, you know The story is
gonna be really really interesting or the story
is gonna be like all of the stuff that's in her
in her dorm room You know, they could have done
Absolutely that they could still do that. They
could still Have her go to her dad's house. I
guess I don't know But basically what I'm gonna
say here is maybe not make the very first episode
of the very first issue The origin story because
they have to lay out so much It's only a 33 page
comic and the other four or five pages or whatever
is a separate story So what I would have loved
to have seen here is all of the beginning stuff
But she already is stealth hammer Yeah, and Kyle
doesn't know or even if he does know let's let's
let the boyfriend in on the secret for once because
there are plenty of times where Lois didn't know
and blah blah blah blah whatever but let's start
the story where she's already stealth hammer.
She's already having to do superhero stuff and
then when they get a do they go to do a second
issue is when oh by the way x number of years
ago this is how i became stealth hammer because
i feel as if after the accident and her dad explaining
all the powers to her i feel like that is a whole
issue by itself within this one comic yeah because
they go panel by panel like She goes invisible
for half of a second. And he's like, oh, you
got to watch out for that. You got to be careful
of that. And I thought, how does he know that?
While she was sleeping, did he do all of these
experiments on her? How long is it? The time,
again, the time goes by super fast. Yeah. And
I want to see more of that. I want to see more
of what she goes through to discover who she
is. you know, how that looked, how that, you
know, I wanna see that. I will say that he successfully
got me interested in what are her superpowers,
what can she do? Because there's, I mean, there's
lots of stuff in this place. And I think it's
definitely, and I know she's gonna discover some
of those things along the way, but I don't know
that that's a good thing. Because it could also
work against you as much as for you And again,
that's the other half of the the idea that she
comes across a little Mary Sue and even that
because she's running off to use her superpowers
Immediately like even like within an hour of
waking up or whatnot. Oh, yeah, it's just okay
It seems rushed in that when that and I think
that it deserves War because you've got I know
that he put a lot of time and effort into this
I know that the artist did it the same I know
that they I the fact that he's got all of these
little bits that he wants to homage and the things
that and he does he takes time to homage quite
a bit of that but um, I Because of that I Really
had a hard time reading just the first half of
it The second half, that's exactly what they
do though. The second half, we just jump right
into where she's training. And that completely
worked for me. I thought, okay, now this is interesting.
Because the whole training is the homage. And
it was subtle. It was so incredibly subtle. I
thought, I didn't think about it until after
it had been done. And that's where I was like,
hey, okay. And who are these creatures that she
meets? And I thought, oh, I wish I could read
more of the second half than the first. Yep.
Yeah. Because I think the exploration, the mountain
stuff, and all of that, I think that's, again,
like I said, that should have been the beginning
portion of this issue. And then You go and tell
the origin kind of thing Because we don't know
who half those characters are And I get it they
needed to wrap up the the the uncle story and
have him arrested and and everything else and
I actually I before we did this before recording
this I sent a message to Ryan I'm like, uh -huh.
I see what you did there with those those those
fake movie Autobots I said something to him because
when she takes off over the police officer's
heads because the neighbor called the police
Yeah, and she says dad you might have some visitors
coming to the door. I'm like, that's the wrong
optimist prime It needs to be a flat nose cab
not not this movie verse looking thing and then
I'm like if that's bumblebee and that's I don't
know who that's supposed to be. Hound? Hound
was never a Volkswagen wagon. I don't know. But
I saw that and I was like, hey, I see what you
did there. Interesting, funny, ha ha ha. And
then later, he actually has what looks like a
Volkswagen Bumblebee come to life and want to
destroy her. And I'm like, oh crap. Oh, with
the tentacles? Yeah. I don't need bumblebee tentacle
porn. Thank you very much. I Mean, it's cool.
It's fun. But that was my first thought because
I'm Male and I'm cruel and people always mention
certain things to me and I'm like, oh bumblebee
but with tentacles and tentacle porn, right?
Okay not really but But yeah, so as we got through
the the back portion of this first story Did
like all of the effects all of her powers working
her facing off against her uncle I like all of
that. I think that's great. I just think the
first Eight pages or whatever it is that out
of the out of the 33 that are here that focus
on her origin As much as I've said before and
other people have said this before too Show the
hero learning how to use their powers. Yeah,
there's a huge difference in showing how to use
your powers and showing Like oh well these glasses
are gonna help you do this and your new Stealth
hammer utility belt this this goes in this pouch
and this pouch is that like I don't think we
needed that almost like it's too convenient.
Yeah It's like dad expected her to show up and
have this accident and you know, what if she
didn't want them? I mean, it's okay to show like
something terrible happening going. Okay, I didn't
want that to happen But hey, there's these things
that I can guess I could work with here. But
again, you know, it's it seems so incredibly
rushed that it It makes us it makes it come off
a little less Amazing than what it should be
And which I know he's probably fully capable.
I mean, like I said, I can only make so much
inference just because of I've only got one page
and I'm only guessing the bits at the end seem
to be much more stronger to me at least. I do
care about what he's tried to build, but it just
came so fast that I was like, OK, not a bad start.
You've got a great idea. I think all of the bits.
themselves would work, but you just need a little
bit more space to kind of flesh them out and
let them shine. I think it was this excitement
of, we're making a comic book that, you know,
sometimes when you're first writing the first
time, you write stuff that you're like, everything
that I wish I could do, but it might not be the
best thing for the story until you learn kind
of to contain that excitement a little bit to
say, okay, now, now the real writing begins and
you've got to make something that somebody's
going to look at and go, hey, I really relate
to Jamie and I really want to do this. I know
he wants to have those moments and I hear you.
I feel that in a lot of what he said. But that
enthusiasm, you still have to write something
that's going to hit the beats to make people
really feel that and that takes time. And it's
hard to pull back a little bit when you want
to have all your favorite moments, you know,
in a, in a small little 33 page comic book. Yeah.
And here's hoping that he can do a second issue
and continue on with the story personally. I
like the fact that he's introduced all of the
character, all of her dad, and hopefully Kyle's
okay. I don't know. I don't know either. That's
the other thing. What about Kyle? Yeah, her dad,
her uncle, all of that, like her uncle is the
evil villain kind of thing, kind of like Darth
Vader is quote unquote the villain of Star Wars.
Let's be honest here. Most superhero stories,
if you have family, At least one of them is gonna
be the bad guy even if it's just for a short
time. They're gonna be the antagonist at some
point Because yeah, that's how it goes that it's
a little bit of cliche But it's okay because
I think it's done so much and if there's so many
different ways to create a good body good guy
on a bad guy That it's all right. I accept that
but I think it was a little too obvious that
the uncle was gonna be the bad guy when he walked
into the screen just because he's got the face.
And I kind of wish that they'd pulled that back
a little bit. Give me a little surprise. And
it wasn't a surprise. The minute he walked away,
like I said, like you said, you know, he had
the twisty mustache. He's like, it was written
all over him, even though it wasn't written all
over him. And I was like, oh, man, I wish I could
have just discovered that rather than be told
that that was another beat that I thought. I
Surprised me with that. I was actually kind of
surprised with the gnome guy. I was like, what
is that little guy putting? Ari would suggest
running How do I run? I mean like even in this
I don't know if you've noticed that before things
Exploded and she got her powers. He dropped this
necklace. Oh Yeah, her necklace. Yeah And so
now that I know that there's more to it than
that, I kind of look at that and say, oh, what
a little bad guy he is, because he knew this
was going to happen. And he made it happen. Little
turd. Yep. Yeah. I don't know what Ryan has set
for the future. I don't know what plans he has
currently. I haven't talked to him yet. I wanted
to get this episode of this podcast out. I very
much enjoy it. I'm glad I was able to contribute
to the Kickstarter to get the comic and to read
it. And even though there are, even though we
have our criticisms, it's still for a first outing
for someone who has never done it before. As
far as Ryan Drost himself, the writer. Now I
know that Ross Hughes and Joel Jackson and a
couple of the other artists have actually been,
have had other work elsewhere. But as a first
-time published author, and this is something
I can speak to, sort of, a little bit, because,
oh geez, about a decade ago or so, I had about
three different books of poetry published. It's
not easy. It is not easy putting yourself out
there, putting your work out there. Like, just
because, who's on right now? I forget. I don't
know since since the since Future state whatever
but basically go from new 52 to rebirth Tom King
was on Batman for the longest time Like Batman
obviously has been around for 80 plus years That's
a character that multiple people have had their
chance with and had been able to tell their story
with Whereas like if you go back to let's say
Batman was first published in 39 You go back
to 37 38 or you know, even like who knows what
the comic book world was like in 1939 when Bob
Kane and Bill Finger published, you know had
Batman Detective Comics, whatever, you know like
Every time you put yourself out there. This is
kind of the point I'm trying to get at in an
ass -backwards kind of way, you're putting yourself
out there whole hog not knowing how people are
going to receive it. Yes, we both have criticisms
of this. Are they criticisms that we are going
to sit here and say, oh my god, this is the worst
Kong book ever, it should never be read by anybody?
No. No, not at all. Besides the fact that Ryan
is a good buddy of mine and then we podcast together
every once in a while kind of thing, Besides
that besides the fact that I contributed to the
Kickstarter If I saw this comic cover in a comic
book shop right now if I went down the street
here in downtown Vancouver Washington To a store
that we have down here called I like comics and
I saw this on the shelf I would pick it up and
look at it and be like hmm. I wonder what this
is about Now, you know, whatever I mean generally
sometimes I don't know because I don't buy what's
the last what's the last single issue you bought
the last single issue that I bought let's see
I bought a trade about a month ago so okay on
transformers so okay that that doesn't really
count that doesn't count why the reason why it
doesn't because I'm trying to make a point here
trades Something that you just picked up that
you randomly saw. Yeah, the last time I did that
was at a convention and I picked up a book that
was being sold at an artist table or or just
I have done Kickstarters to where I didn't read
the story, but I heard good things about it So
I went ahead and picked it up that way too. So
right. Well, my point is with a single -issue
comic. Yes One of them was yes, I I don't remember
because I don't buy like I buy my comics on Comixology,
so I don't buy physical comics anymore. Do they
still have some sort of blurb on the back? I
know trades do. That's why I said trades don't
count. A blurb that talks about it? Not usually.
Not usually, no. Usually it's an advertisement.
Or an advertisement for the company that's publishing.
Check out our other titles. Right, exactly. But
what I'm saying, my point in asking all of this
is, if I saw Stealth Hammer on the shelf at my
local comic shop, yes, it is an eye -catching
cover. I would love to be able to pick it up
and take it home and read it. I just wish there
was something like... I don't want to sit there
in the comic shop or stand there in the comic
shop and read through the whole book that defeats
the purpose. I mean, yes, you buy it, you go
to your car, and you can do that fine. But I
think for someone who is just going into this
book cold and they don't know Ryan, they don't
know anybody like that, what we needed was a
small little blurb on the inside panel here or
something. Oh, yeah, like right off on the kind
of page. Yeah. They've done it in other comics
where I've seen them done and they usually do
that on the the title page for still camera And
this is this is how it begins after it's area
is necessary Yeah, all that and where they put
that yeah Sometimes I'll even sacrifice a whole
page after that and kind of introduce everybody
and just put like a little paragraph of what's
Happened so far and or what's going on now and
then go from there on. Yeah Yeah, I think that's
what this needs for people that are going to
go into this cold and have no connection to Ryan
at all. I think the next issue he does, there
needs to be something on the inside cover along
with the creative saying, hey, by the way, or
like you said, it could be a whole separate page
like, you know, Transformers. I just got Beast
Wars 4 and 5. We just did that episode recently,
and obviously IDW, they do the story so far thing
in all of their books, not just Transformers
kind of thing, and it's just a small little blurb.
IDW does it in a way where it's all panels showing
panels from the previous issue, but in Ryan's
case and in the case of Stealth Hammer, it needs
one little paragraph in between the logo and
the creative listing. just saying, Hey, this
is what you're in for. So read on. Well, that's
the beauty of having like, you know, a Kickstarter
is that, you know, they could do it in the Kickstarter
so that you kind of get an idea of what the story
is going to be about. I think if I remember correctly,
when I was listening to the podcast that you
talked with him on that they did have like a
video where they are talking about stuff instead
of. Yeah. then they came back and I guess changed
that up so instead of talking about themselves
they were talking about the story which I think
you know that's that's a good way to sell it
and in in a kickstart environment that's a really
good way to go too and and I understand that
but I'm saying if he wants to like Insert publisher
company name here because I'm not gonna sit here
and list anybody that he could potentially go
to he knows straight to Comixology look mention,
but well right. I mean cut Comixology has their
program Yeah, but my point is yeah, you're right.
The Kickstarter did have all the information
But now that it's funded now that it's out there
in the world like I've seen him do Press events
and things at his local comic shops in Ohio So
like what I'm saying is the one thing for this
physical book to be in a physical store For people
to get on a monthly or whatever basis if you
know there are more issues to come There needs
to be some sort of something on the inside cover
of this number one Just tell you somewhere on
this book whether it's on the inside cover whether
it's on the back of the book It doesn't matter
where it is something to Show the reader that
hey This is gonna be cool like your elevator
pitch to pit to suck them in to pick them Yeah,
yeah, yeah Yeah, because I mean There are plenty
of books that I've gone into a comic shop in
the last eight years that I'm just like Yeah,
I'm not into go -bots. I don't really I don't
care how cool the cover looks. I just don't care
Transformers is better in my opinion You know
and that's just Well, that's just in general
that has nothing to do with what actually happened
in whatever go -bots comics there are kind of
thing but but my point is I See a comic like
this and I'm like, oh that looks pretty cool
But again, I don't want to be I know a lot of
people do do this and you can do this I don't
want to be that guy in the comic shop that flips
through the entire thing and Makes the decision
after almost reading the whole book in the store.
Like no I want to be able to Like I've been prattling
on about I want to be able to look at the cover
Okay, awesome the superhero girl with her evil
uncle and her dad and her Boyfriend who may or
may not be dead if we don't know And then on
the inside I want something just a little bit
of a blurb like one little pet like Stealth hammer
is the story of Jamie and she is gonna be a superhero
and she's gonna save the world from her evil
mustache twirling. Dr. Wiley look an uncle like
or or Jamie is stealth hammer she's got a boyfriend
named Kyle, they go around the world doing archaeological
research or just something there that will get
me to come back to my local comic shop every
time. Now I know that Ryan did this as a kind
of a one -time thing. I know he has more that
he wants to tell with these characters of the
story. Yeah, I definitely got that from just
listening to him talk about it. He's excited,
he's passionate, and I think that's part of the
battle right there is just having that much.
And again, you're right, part of that could be
he can build a platform without actually being
with Marvel or DC. And that's, of course, stuff
that it sounds like to me that he's reached out
to indie publishing, and he's part of a couple
communities that that work on that um and I think
that that he will definitely get ideas in that
regard to make and to help create that so that
he can potentially sell another issue or sell
another issue after that you know there's definitely
it sounds like to me that that's definitely something
he's looking into yeah I mean it's just one of
those things where you got the first one under
your belt Is it a good story? Yes, but it needs
a little more focus and the focus parts need
like If I didn't even really know if I was just
looking at it If I didn't know who Ryan was the
first thing I would have thought when I scrolled
down that page and saw that truck and that yellow
car and I'm like, oh hey Like there are ways
to make the homages Easter eggs without making
them Obvious that to me was an Easter egg because
I've caught it out of a corner of my eye I'm
like, hey, wait a minute. I actually had to go
back to make sure I was right To look at the
at the cars and stuff Yeah, see that they were
I'm like subtle. I don't like to have it so obvious
that it's like, okay, it's it's now it's Screaming.
This is what we're doing here. I I think because
here's the thing is that When you're reading
something, when you make it something that's
really obvious, it pulls you out because you're
like, oh, ha ha, I see what you did there. Or
you read it and you go, am I really thinking
what I think I'm thinking? Did they really just
say this line from Ghostbusters? And then to
have them confirm it afterwards, it's like, I'm
okay if you leave it cryptic and don't tell me.
That's kind of the... fun part about reading
an Easter egg is seeing it without it saying,
hey, yes, I did do that there. And I think that
that's... In the case of the Ghostbusters line,
I think it was more of a tease thing. Like, did
you just pull Ghostbusters on me? Like, you know,
it's kind of like when people always say nobody
expects the Spanish Inquisition. Or, you know,
whatever. And the first time they did that, that
was great. But every single time they do it afterwards,
it becomes cliche. And you don't want to be cliche.
No, you don't want to be cliche. It's this really
fine line. And it almost crossed that for me
in a few places. And I thought, ooh, yeah, you
want to pull back a little bit. And you know
what? Don't give all of your tricks away in the
first issue. It's like playing poker. You're
going to have to save a few of those things for
later. And it's not like, oh, well, I just want
to pack all of it in there. Well, sometimes you
don't want to pack too much in. Because like
I said before, it's like you've got this really
great story, but it's going to suffer if the
whole point of it is to create homage after homage,
to build up to the next homage. It's got to be
organic. And I'd say in most cases, I'd say 90
% of the time, you don't want it to be obvious.
You want it to kind of be that little thing that
just kind of, it's the second read that they
go, oh, oh my gosh, that's what they were doing.
You know, the surprise, people like surprise.
They like to be able to kind of look at it and
say, oh, now I've got the little, I get it, you
know, without being obvious. Because that kind
of changes a little bit of the emotional impact
on your audience, which is like really, really
important. Very much so. Your audience lives
for those. Yep. And it's kind of different because
it's like when you first, now I'm going to reach
a little bit here. I kind of feel like in some
sense that it's like he's a writer. But he's
more of a reader. This is his first time writing.
And it's very difficult to be a reader and then
go to writing and do it really well, really fast
right off the top. He's got a lot of skills I
can definitely see. But at the same time, I'm
like, it's not as easy as it seems when you sit
down and write that because there's all these
subtle things. Now you're not the reader anymore.
Now you have to be the writer trying to invoke
these things. And it takes a lot of finesse to
do that in your audience. And so it comes with
trial and error, but also you can get training
for some of this too. Right. And like I said,
this first go around for him and for his team,
it's not a bad outing. It's just an outing that
is a learning curve that in the future they can
get better as they go along. All right. Not that
I really want to do this, but we always end up
doing this anyway. On a 0 to 5 scale with half
points, what would you give Stealth Hammer number
one? Trying to think here, because I have been
dreading you asking this question. I've stumped
her, folks. Yeah, you stumped me because it's
like I can only do with what I see, not what
I think that he's capable of. And so I put it
as a two for writing because there's a lot of
fun stuff in here, but I'm kind of a full, it's
got to be everything for me. And like I said,
it's the last half that I felt like there was
so much more potential than the first half. Mm
-hmm really enjoyed the second half so much more
and it was it started doing more of those things
and that's why I say I think he's fully capable
of doing better and I want to kind of push him
a little bit to to reach deep and to you know,
I know he's already done deep but like I want
to feel the humanity in Jamie because I know
that it I'm not sentimental about any of the
stuff that I'm reading. Like, yeah, I like the
homages. Those are a nice little ad, but it can't
be about the homages. It has got to be about
the character and the plot and the conflict.
And I didn't get all of those things in the way
that I open any comic book and am equally as
critical. And so those things are... really key
as a reader wants to feel. I open up a story
and I want to discover and I want to have all
of those things and it can't just be all about
the fun and it's not necessarily like you can
do things even for an all ages comic. You can
still do a lot. Kind of thought about some of
the stuff that he said in there and I thought
you know Even finding Nemo had bad things in
it. Think about it Yeah, his mom and all of his
brothers and sisters were killed for Nemo to
exist at the very beginning of that. That's dark
It's like it's all audiences and they didn't
like dwell on it, obviously But like some really
dark stuff happens in Disney They just make it,
you know, they package it in this nice little
happy this happy that But there's humanity that's
in there, the range that they put in their characters.
There's real fear. There's real this. I think
a lot of the motivations of Jamie are there,
but they don't get to shine as much as I want
to see them. And so you've got me hooked on Jamie.
But what, you know, as a as a writer, I think
he can do better. I think that this is just the
start. And I definitely have some suggestions
on where he can go from here, especially if he's
interested in honing his craft and becoming better
at it. I would definitely check out Andy Schmidt's
comics experience. Because like, oh my gosh,
there's there's only I took one of his classes.
I didn't like completely like I had some. personal
family drama that was going on at the time so
I had to kind of audit it in a sense. But one
of the things that I that I've learned from Andy
Schmidt because he's done a whole lot of them
and I have been equally critical of Andy Schmidt
as an editor so I'm not telling I'm not saying
anything to Ryan that I haven't already thrown
at other professionals one way or another but
the three things that Andy Schmidt like taught
the classes. There's three things that you need
to be good at comic book writing. You need to
be friendly, personable, approachable. You need
to have some talent or some skill. And you need
to meet your deadlines. If you have a combination
of any two of those, which literally means that
you could be friendly and meet deadlines and
not have any skill or talent and still do well
in comics. You can have any two of those and
still be great in comics. And this is off of
a lot of research he did, a lot of just... Reading
a lot of stuff and analyzing how the how the
market is and how how things are run And that's
what he came up with and he's really great That's
just a little taste of some of the stuff that
he has that that I felt were really great points
that he has as a creator trying to help Other
creators hone their craft. I think he'd be really
good good spot for him to go it even if he learned
very little Just even the contacts that he could
make with other people in the class, or even
just the contacts that come with being a part
of comics experience, that would be, in and above
itself, well worth your money and your time.
And I've gushed about comics experience on other
podcasts in the past too, so that's nothing new
that I'm bringing up. But Understanding Comics
by Scott McCloud was a really great read for
me. but he also mentioned like some comic you
know going to a comic con or a convention i'm
like why why why not go ahead and do it anyhow
like you can sell issues right there on the table
if you can hook people in with just an issue
you know you can sell stuff there but the other
thing that i wanted to get out with going to
comic cons and conventions is that you know every
everyone is unique And I've been to so many that
actually offer comic panels where you can actually
learn how to be better at dialogue, even if it's
like a 45 or 50 minute thing that talks about
how to write better dialogue, how to hook people
in on the first page, how to write characters
with authenticity. that are emotionally engaging
and have this unique range. You can learn how
to do those things. And they're hard, but at
the same time, the more you practice, the better
you get at it. And there's also YouTube videos
on this stuff. So those are all really great
ads that I would definitely check out. As as
like higher learning and in your quest to become
a better writer. It's really cool. So let's see
But yeah, I'm gonna have to In a two, okay. Well
a two under the GCR and rating scale now This
is just a label that we have for it. We're not
saying anything specific about stealth hammer
and Ryan's comic itself, but Two is listed as
bad. The positives serve as reminders to the
latent potential that was never fulfilled. The
product is often a victim of poor execution or
an inability to focus on a clear path. It fails
in large variety of different areas, but the
failures are not to the extreme. Now for me,
It's not just because he's my friend. It's not
just because that I know that ryan drost is like
you were talking about You know you have to be
a really positive person a really friendly person
like this dude exudes positivity like this dude
is like You sit there and try to argue with him
over rumble is red frenzy is blue He's like you
do you you know like he won't the dude won't
I mean he will with certain things but every
time I've talked to him he's always been like
Okay, that's fine great, but I don't agree with
that, you know, he's one of those people that
Can actually agree to disagree and it's actually
refreshing. Oh, that's good though Because it
also means that you can have a really healthy
conversation about like skills and how to You
know finesse things and things like that, which
is great. I think that you know Having a conversation
about like where you want to go with it and then
also looking at the logical way things go. I'm
like, that's good though because it means that
if you can have a really great back and forth
and fight for the things that you know or that
you feel are right or great too. But you also
have to earn a little bit of that too. I think
he's on his way. Yeah. And that I have absolutely
no doubt because his passion is there. And that
was one of the things that really kind of turned
me on to this. Read I knew I found out all that
stuff afterwards because then I listened to who
he was as a person and I was like He's positive.
He knows what he wants and I think that's great
because that is the best place to start because
there'll be times where you've got to pull yourself
up from okay, so I got a no answer on this and
you get no for so long and he's still human being
and that type of passion will help get him through
those times. And that's why I know this guy has
potential to go on and do more is because he's
got the passion. And now there's a lot of work
that you can do. And I'm sure that that he's
got the personal drive to do them. And that's
why I say I'd like to see more from Ryan. I know
he I don't know him personally. And so I'm not
sentimental in what I'm saying, I think that
he's definitely got a lot of potential. And I
like the I like what he's trying to do. I see
a lot of potential in what Jamie could be. And
I think that as a writer, he can do better. I
think I think already just in the year where
he failed at the. Kickstarter the first time
the first time and he was successful in the second,
you know He said that he owe a friend of his
took him aside in and gave him some real tough
love and told him and He took that tough love
and he turned it into a success that says a lot
about him without even reading anything I can
say Wow. Okay, dude, you're going for it because
usually People will say I want to do this thing.
I want to write this book. I want to write this
thing I want to I want to I want to make this
song and then they have to get into the hard
work of doing it or or better yet facing the
fact that maybe they don't have all of the skills
they need to be as Proficient and to stand up
like right next to the professionals and do that
and they hear that the first time and then they
just give up Oh, well, I guess they just don't
have the skill. I was like that's not what Ryan
is at all. I did not catch that from him at all.
He's that guy that's like, you tell him, okay,
give me some tough love. I'm going to listen
to what you say. I'm going to be passionate about
what I have that I want to do, but now I'm going
to prove you wrong. And I'm like, do it, please.
That's the passion that you need to have. And
I know I say too, and you said all those things,
what that is. But I know that that's not going
to stop him. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. Absolutely
not. And that's why I thought, OK, I'm giving
a little bit of tough love here. I mean, if I
compare this to anybody that's been in the industry
or, you know, starting off, I've read some really
great stuff that's starting off and I'm comparing
that just to the level of where that's at and
that this just isn't hitting it for me. And that's
not to say that he can't ever get there. I know
he will get there. Oh, yeah. Just in how he communicated
with you. What he learned and where he's going
is like, he's fully capable. I expect good things
from him now. I'm not going to be. He's going
to do it. I'm excited for him. Absolutely. I'm
not going to be so. Wicked Witch of the West
with this. I want to push him I get the tough
luck love because like I can tell you I've had
some tough love in my life and you know what
I go back afterwards and I say they they told
me exactly what I needed to hear and they everything
that they said was right and I had to work my
butt off for another year in college when I was
trying to do some of the stuff that I was trying
to do and I go back I went back and it was more
than vindicating to have a teacher who said no
you're not ready to come back a year later and
have a teacher say you're there yeah no absolutely
I just yes and as I said there are Like I mentioned
with the writing where I felt that the sentences
just kind of stopped, like the conversation just
in the very beginning of the issue. So I am going
to give it a three and a half. Three and a half
is listed as good and it is as follows. Issues
are certainly prevalent, but so are the successes.
Typically there is one specific area of extraordinary
achievement. or multitude of quality moments
that make the negative aspects relatively easy
to accept. The failures are not necessarily glaring
and are often a byproduct of design, though the
difficulties one encounters hold your enjoyment
back from reaching its fullest potential. Like
we said, we want to see more from him, from the
artists, and the Stealth Hammer team, and this
is a This is a first issue. This is a learning
curve. This is I'm putting myself out there This
is oh my god I want to find a way to combine
my geek stuff with everything else that I want
to tell in this story I think if we had one less
Incorrect Optimus Prime truck because I'm sorry
only the flat nose cabs are actually acceptable
because the movie versions just don't work anyway,
you know, it's it's one of those things where
Again focus focus on certain parts of the story
you now That you have this out Ryan and Joel
and everybody else You have the origin out of
the way. Yeah I don't want to say clunky, but
that's the word I'm going to use. As clunky as
it felt to read it because every detail was told
about how her powers work and how she got her
belt of stealth hammeriness and everything else,
that's out of the way now. So in the second story
that was done in this where she's out in the
middle of nowhere having this adventure, I want
more of that. whether it's trying to stop her
uncle from robbing a Las Vegas casino or something,
or whether it's her doing an archaeological dig
in the Andes Mountains, whatever it is, I want
more stealth hammer adventures. The art is superb.
The colors, the art, the lines, all of it, I
think is great. The only thing is I would cut
back on the homages. Like, you can sit here and
pull a line. You can do it, but you have to be
really subtle about it. Right. I think the homage,
I mean, because I think about some of my favorite,
like, writers that have written stuff. Like,
they didn't, it was a while before they put homages
in. Like, they really established themselves
as a writer first before they ever started doing
that. Now, I know it's like, But this was a thing
for my wife and I wanted to you know, put all
these things in and that's good. That's that's
great but like that's You know, like I said,
it's poker. You don't want to play your whole
hand in one issue You want to be able to tell
who you are what you love? But you want to be
subtle about it. You don't want to be like You
know and and you know, sometimes you you do want
to be you know, you want to be obvious but like
It just depends on the story, and I just don't
think that it was necessary at the cost of the
plot and character development at this point.
When you mentioned subtlety, the first thing
I thought of is, Ryan, you need to be more like
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