Eight Years of The Pull Bag & Comic Book History of Comics Review

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Radio Network. So without any further ado, it's

time to talk about the comics we are reading

right now here inside the pull bag. Uh, Sage

Orbis, is it that time? The House Party Protocol,

sir? Correct. Hello, and welcome to The Pull

Bag. This is the 400th episode. Holy crap, can

you guys out there in listener land believe it?

No, of course. Nah, no, of course. That's that's

not who who's this guy? I don't know who this

guy. I was expecting a deeper tonal. No, I was

expecting. That's not what I was expecting. That

was no, not even that. I wasn't I was expecting.

Please. Oh, deep dino bots. I'm of course, Steve,

you and Mike. And in this episode, we're going

to be reflecting a bit on the last eight years

of the podcast, because as you've heard, joining

me for the intro, at least, is Mr. Steve Megatron.

Hello, sir. Oh, yes. Hello. Now, see, that's

what I was expecting. And then after we do this

little quick short intro thing, the comic concierge

himself, Mr. Dan Clark, will be joining me to

discuss the comic book history of comics. And

what this is is it's from IDW Publishing. It

came out May 13th of 2012. Wow, this thing is

old. But then again, so am I. For the first time

ever, the inspiring and infuriating, the utterly

insane story of comics, graphic novels, and manga

is presented in a comic book form. The award

winning action philosophers team of Fred Van

Lent I hope I'm saying his name correctly, and

Ryan Dunleavy, or Dunlavy, again, I suck at name

pronunciations, turn their irreverent but accurate

eye to the stories of Jack Kirby, R. Crum, Harvey

Kurtzman, Alan Moore, Stanley, Will Eisner, Frederick

Wertham, Roy Lichtenstein, Art Spiegelman, and

many, many others. Actually, it was good old

movie revolt Dan, comic revolt Dan, that told

me about this, because they're doing a new one,

the comic book history of animation, and they're

on the fourth issue of that so far. So that's

what's gonna be happening here inside the 400th

episode of this podcast. Wow. Stuff sure has

changed in eight years, hasn't it? Oh yeah, totally.

Remember when we did the original introduction

to this show and I'm like, okay, this works and

We weren't sure I'm pretty sure you and I weren't

sure who was gonna be the front -runner cuz you

were really You you you were the one that got

me back into this big You were the one that got

me back into comics full -time because you were

like, oh my god Batman 13 new 52. Oh my god the

Joker Oh my god, and I'm like, okay, I'll check

it out and you weren't wrong But it's one of

those things where when you start a new show

it you never know Who's gonna be more excited

to take the reins and of course normally cuz

I have no life I usually have more time than

you do I just basically took it and ran with

it and here we are eight years later And that's

crazy. I yeah when I spawned that idea and keep

cast radio I had no idea that you were gonna

go this far with it not to not to mention that

you know my interest in all things DC died within

years of it, other than the animated series stuff

that continues line. That's about my only interest

now outside of the beyond and some of that, but

I'm pretty much an IDW guy now. I mean, they

have a multitude of other topics. They have track,

they have... Transformers, they have Beast Wars,

they have Ninja Turtles. So I mean, they have

a lot that resonate with me anyway. Yep. Yeah,

absolutely. And for me, as I've said in this

episode and other episodes, as I say in every

Origins episode, this podcast, folks, I expected

us to do a lot more After Darks, and After Darks

were what we did for actual conversations. I

like, I just looked through the, the, the entire

history of this podcast the other day. And up

until I think, was it episode three? 384. Yeah.

384 was a, you and I did a redo of our original

origins episode from episode three of the podcast.

That was the last origins episode we had done

until I have two new ones coming But in eight

years out of over 400 or whatever episodes. We've

only done 31 or so I've done 31 interviews to

the point of 384 I have two more coming up episode

401 and 402 are gonna be two new ones. So now

we'll be up to four to 33 and you know, so just

I just like the interview thing that I set up

with 25 questions with just asking people about

comics and how they get into them or out of them.

And it's not that I don't want to review comics

anymore. I do. I still love reading comics. I

still love talking about comics, but it's a lot

of work, especially the way that I do it because

I like waiting for the trade. I don't like this

single issue initial reaction stuff because I

want the whole story all at once. But I get it,

it is what it is, and that's generally what most

people do. But, you know, it's just crazy to

me. Like, the fact that this is sort of related

to this show, because there were plenty of He

-Man comics from D .C. Powers of Greyscale series,

Kep Optinous Solon and I started that 10 years

ago this October. Last art. Yeah. Yeah 2011 was

when we started it and I'm like, oh my god, it's

a decade old. Holy crap And we got two years

until this show was a decade old But yes 400th

episode can't wait to bring you guys so much

more We've got, I've got some special plans for

episode 404 and episode 411. And we're kind of

doing everything at this point. We're doing single

issues. We're doing trades. We're doing just

whatever we possibly can to give you guys comic

reviews. Hopefully you've been listening since

the beginning. If you haven't been listening

since the beginning and you're brand new, welcome

to the show. Welcome to the podcast. Welcome

to my neuroses. Guess you could say Eight years

400 episodes, I guess I have a penchant for intelligent

conversation If that considers you talking to

yourself a lot of the time then yes Mm -hmm.

Absolutely. So join us in this 400th episode

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it's so weird to toss to myself and then come

back from myself. Yes, that's right. We are celebrating

eight years of the pull bag here inside the pull

bag only on the Geek Cast Radio Network. And

joining me for the rest of episode 400 is the

comic concierge himself, Mr. Dan Clark. Hello,

sir. Hey, how are you? I don't know. I honestly

don't know. It's like it's like that meme I shared

a little while ago. That's like, you know, twenty

twenty one is the same as twenty twenty, except

we still have we have toilet paper this time

around. I think this is a minor improvement.

Yes, it's. So we're here and this is like I said

400 episodes of the pull bag and I Didn't know

what the fuck I was gonna do with this episode

I was gonna do number ones because we did number

ones way back in episode 100 I was gonna do what

we're actually gonna be covering. I was gonna

do probably several other things that were probably

bad ideas I don't know. I just I could not decide

on what the hell to do for episode 400 And you

in one of your more recent comic recommend blogs

that you've been doing on geekcastradio .com

had said something about the comic book history

of animation number four. And I'm like, ooh,

what's that? So I look into it and I'm like,

oh, it's IDW. I love IDW. And it's, I'm probably

gonna butcher his name, but Fred Van Lent or

Lenti. and Ryan Dunleavy. And I'm like, oh, OK,

cool. And I looked into what else they had. I'm

like, ooh, the comic book history of comic books,

220 pages, fits in almost 90 years of comics.

How almost? Granted, this was published back

in 2012. So not exactly a full 90 years of comics.

But man, this thing is immense. Yeah, it is it

isn't extensive because I was and I'm reading

obviously like you mentioned the the history

the I didn't read this one before and I was actually

I got into the the one they're doing currently

that's being released in Wednesday series the

animation one and I've been really fascinated

with that and that's been talked filled in information

and really. This great docu comic about kind

of that that history and so I kind of thought

I knew was coming into what I feel like this

is even. More practices. It's a it's probably

a different experience, obviously, because I'm

reading that and like installments and this is

one go and I was like, oh wow, over 200 pages

and each page is like it is. Chalk full of information

and you know that they're not skipping on anything

like this is this is a comic that you know is

gonna make you read like this is not something

that you can kind of sit down and and skim through

I mean you can skim through it because there's

a lot of cool things just to pick out but like

it you definitely get your money's worth because

there's a lot of information here, but it's not

overloaded so you feel like you're just like

You know this random assortment of facts like

it's done and effective and in craft and there's

a lot of craftsmanship into this in the of getting

this entire history told in one, you know, complete

piece. Exactly. It's kind of like, and I hope

to God the creators do not... Take this the wrong

way. And I have not watched all of these episodes

yet. I want to, but I haven't yet. It's kind

of like the history of swear words with Nicolas

Cage on Netflix, but for comics, because it's

one, okay. It probably came out in let's say

four or five, six issues way back when in 2012.

I am all about trades folks. I love waiting for

the trade. And obviously I didn't even know about

this stuff until you brought, you know, like

you said, the comic book history of animation,

which is what they're currently doing. So I went

back and and you were like, oh, they also have

a complex history of comics I'm like who that

would make a good 400th episode topic 220 pages.

Um How could we talk about this in less than

five hours not that we're gonna be here for five

hours folks that is not my my intention here,

but it was one of those things where I'm looking

at this trade and I'm like, oh my god, and it

is so cool and normally I am one of these people

I am one one person normally that black and white

I need color in my comics however this I have

to say is done really really well and it is very

very fun in black and white and the only color

page is the very very last like basically the

back of the book essentially is the only color

page within the pages Yeah, when I first started

reading it to I was wondering if the color was

eventually gonna come in now that I mind black

and white because right when it starts off like

it it's you know, it's talking about the very

early history comics prior to the night, you

know in the 1800s even before that like when

I first started and It was utilizing that type

of storytelling and not a lot of panels so when

I first started reading this in some black and

white and It starts off similar to the comic

books it's talking about cause it's talking about

before the 19th you know in the 19th century

like eighteen hundreds. Getting into like where

comics first for word we're done and what it

was mimicking mimicking that type of style if

there was really any panel borders and things

like that and then it talked about when those

are invented and then you see them kind of using

that within the. the comic itself as well. So

it was mirroring kind of where it was in a time

and place in history. So I was curious, like,

oh, are they eventually going to add color to

this too when that becomes more prominent as

well? It never does, which is fine, but that's

always my first thought reading it, because I

really liked how they used that to kind of be

this meta -commentary on how comics progressed

by keeping to what comics looked like at that

time. Getting into how that language evolved

with some of the different creators throughout

time You know, I found that fascinating because

that's something it's really I think an effective

way to just to learn the language of comics In

understanding like where they came from and why

things were done the way they were because you

know for us It's like oh, we know the pick, you

know, the nine panel grid That's typical design

but learning what where that came from and why

it is and how it wasn't the original design But

like how everything evolved was pretty fascinating

yeah and where they're talking about you know

how you want certain things to be in focus and

then certain things to blow up and have a big

moment as soon as i read that part of it i'm

like hey that's what comics ology guided view

is for you know that's and what i love about

this is that it's first of all Reading the the

letter at the beginning from the from What's

-his -name? From Tom Spurgeon, yeah. Yeah Tom

from Tom Spurgeon. I'm like, oh, this is interesting

It's like I'm reading a novel in a comic book

and I and I understand it's an introduction and

it's supposed to be in the written word and that's

obviously fine, but again the way that comicsology

guided view works is they do these panel by panels

and I've Never really read a letter like that

before way of doing it panel by panel kind of

thing and I Love all the legalese in the beginning

like, you know, yeah, that was that was pretty

funny. That was fun It was funny. It was fun.

But it's like, you know, and at the end of it

It's like any other things we've forgotten contact

the publisher Obviously, yeah would do anyway,

but what when I when that first came up I'm like

I was I was confused at first and like is yeah

what they're doing like is there because there's

a lot of things here There's like a lot of history

of the covering and I like Ali is like this is

a weird way to approach it I'm like, oh no, this

is I'm getting you know getting ahead of all

the difficult stuff and trying to do it in a

fun way it reminds me of this one comic read

that It took the entire Apple turned turns agreement

and use that Is the comic like it was it basically

was it told a comic using just those words from

that throughout it and I thought that was going

to be I mean, I knew it wouldn't be all like

that, but I thought it just had a similar style

and how it's like taking In which also ties into

a lot of the history because it does get into

A lot of the core battles that have happened

throughout comics and there have been a lot a

lot of them You know that have people talked

about but that's one thing I liked about this

too. I've watched a lot of documentaries about

Comic history and a lot of them tend to hit on

the same main topics like they're always going

to talk about the common codes of authority,

which is in here, but there's much more to that.

I thought that was even if you're someone who's

I think read up on the history of comics or watch

those types of documentaries like they did the

secret history on like AMC or whatever. I think

that secret organs or something like that. This

to me is much more. Detailed in the way it's

approaching everything because it it covers a

wider spectrum and it does it and I think a more

clever way Yeah, it does it a more clever way

and it also Basically takes you back to 1896

like yeah I mean I knew that comics were around

for a lot like you know, like I said 70 80 90

years at this point but I did not realize like

I mean, I remember as a kid reading comic strips

in the newspapers and things like that, but I

never associated the comic strips with comic

books as the evolution of the strip. In all my

life, 41 years, strips were one thing, books

were another thing. One wasn't the evolution

of the other kind of thing, because you always

have newspaper strips and whatever else. Yeah,

just seeing that is so fun. And I love how they,

how they set up and tell the story. And it's

just, it's a fun thing. And the different art

designs that they're like, I'm flipping through

like the beginning pages for like imitation and

everything else and how, how it changes as they're

telling the story. And you have more, you have

more words in here. Than most comic books do.

Even, even if you broke this down into the six

issues that this trade collects, like I'm a few

pages. I'm up to the point where they're going

to be, uh, you know, Abbott and Costello up to

that point. There's so many words. It's like,

Oh, really? Okay. And I like that for this specific,

for, for, for what this topic is for telling

the story of what Comics was and what it is and

what it could potentially be. I like that. I

think that's good With this, you know what all

the the written stuff in this really work in

a regular comic most likely not because not a

lot of people really care too much about how

much Batman monologues Yeah, the Joker Yeah,

definitely. Um, and I think you it I think too

it helps that It feels necessary because it is

there is a lot to get through and right in order

in order to like say it in a Complete way and

also like what I found intriguing too is the

way I wasn't sure like how it's just this was

gonna be structured obviously it's like it kind

of goes throughout the years, but Like there's

a scene where we we jump to and like we see kid

Jack Kirby And I'm like, oh, we're already getting

into Jack Kirby, because we went from the early

1900s, 1920s to Jack Kirby. But really, it was

showing how that time frame helped inform and

shape what Jack Kirby would become. And instead

of just getting into Jack Kirby, but using how

he was influenced as the ability to get into

the amazing science stories of that time. and

just show the connection throughout. I thought

that was a really great way of doing it because

you were able to kind of kill two birds with

one stone and then it's because you're showing

how you're showing Kirby's life at the same time

getting into a specific time and space for comic

history as well. And I thought that's one thing

it did really well is like it was almost always

telling multiple pieces of history almost at

the same time. But at the same time making them

individual because yeah, you know, I'm right

now I'm at the page where it's extra extra new

media invented daily will make us obsolete because

the newspapers are you know, whatever because

you know the Newspaper men we're screwed Yeah,

and then that's when it breaks into Jack's, you

know Jack's life and Jack's story, but the art

is Completely different than what we just had

in the last few panels You know the newspaper

stuff and I love that. I think that's great that

they Put this that Ryan put this different Spotlight

on the different errors of the comics to show

The growth that the industry was having and the

differences in the times that things were being

made Yeah, yeah, and I think Like you mentioned

the art style being able to be like there's a

lot of muscles being flexed there, you know being

you know being cartoonish to being able to showcase

You know what how art changes throughout to ape

certain styles like it's it's an impressive feat

to be able to be that versatile um, and um being

And be able to kind of juggle all those different

aspects of of the story I think my and I don't

know a lot about Jack Kirby. I have not I have

not seen a lot of his stuff I know I need to

so please everybody don't stream at your at your

eye devices or your your your your smart speakers

or whatever I'm working on it, but I think my

favorite panel in His early days besides that

opening of him finding the comic on the on the

on the storm drain Though Jack's astounding speed

would later make him a legend. It got him kicked

out of the educational Alliance. I love the The

effect of him getting kicked out of the building

in the art. Oh, that's so Fun, I mean, you know

heaven forbid he get kicked out But he got kicked

out cuz he I think he got kicked out cuz he was

so good Cuz he could you know It's funny cuz

Speaking of Jack hurry, I just recently read

for last year. The Tom's Sicoli did like a on

unofficial autobiography of him So if you are

looking into getting the Jack hurry, that's a

good book to do that because it's obviously not

his work But it gets into his life and it does

touch a bright, you know He had a little bit

of a I'd say anger streak, but you know, he would

he wasn't afraid to throw down in a few instances,

obviously You know, he was a soldier as well.

But uh, but yeah it I wasn't sure how there is

always a jackery such a huge piece of the history

of comics and he is in this too and i think he's

represented pretty well and all the kind of traditions

you had to go through as we talked about some

of the legal cases and dealing with a lot of

that as well and uh um and in seeing like how

much it also puts in perspective how much comics

like it was relying on him and how much he He

kind of drove the medium for such a long period

of time because this covers a lot of ground and

every you know He's all he's typically there

in the background or pops back up because you

know It's that he kind of drove the industry

probably more so than any a creator for you know

since then and before or since yeah, I mean When

you're at the wheel of an industry that needs

to be kicked off and basically needs a kick in

the ass to get it going He sure gave us a lot.

He did a lot for the comics industry and Even

though I'm not someone who Really can do comics

before I want to say 2000 2001 I know that's

sad to say but I've tried reading some of the

old comics of Other things like Batman and things

like that and while it's nice. It's just not

Don't know. I think modern times and modern artists

have Spoiled me a little more than than the classic

stuff and I guess I just have to get over that

but what yeah, it's and a lot of people when

it comes to Kirby and not to make this the curry

podcast, but Like i didn't like his stuff at

first but i think when you one when you see his

pencils like because a lot of anchors were like

Really destroyed a lot of his detail when you

see his his pencils You just realized just the

insane amount of detail you would put in things

and you see the just the dynamic Ism and like

the what the kirby style which this talks about,

you know, the kirby crackle gets into And like

why why it was so special and this is I think

a book book that can help that because I like

you for for a long time couldn't I still think

someone that you know some of those comics like

you they're hard to read because the dialogue

can be pretty hokey and like over telling you

things you really don't need just so there's

a lot of it But I like what I liked about a book

like this is kind of getting into the mindset

of that time frame and understanding That progression

and like why books were written the way they

were and even you know Talking about like I didn't

realize how much vaudeville had to do with comics

and how much that impacted the industry Especially

when it came to like just the the rhythm and

the pattern but I'm looking at it now makes complete

sense But I had had no idea how much vaudeville

Influence the comic book like kind of the infancy

of the comic when it first started yeah when

they were doing the who's on first skit, I'm

like I've loved that thing for years and I'm

like, hey, it really works in comics, you know,

the whole panel by panel thing. And I was like,

oh, that is very, very cool. Interesting way

to, to, uh, bring about the history of what happened.

And it's just such like, I wasn't. I wasn't shy.

I went into this with no expectations. I honestly,

until you brought it up, until I saw the current

thing that they're doing, conflict history of

animation, I didn't even know this was like,

I've been following IDW for a long time now for

as long as this podcast has been on the air.

But that started in twenty thirteen in the middle

of twenty twelve i was solely in scotland dc

stuff and we didn't really watch the show until

twenty thirteen so i didn't even know they come

out with this back in twenty twelve so reading

this for the first time was like oh. It's like

i'm reading an actual prose novel. As well as

a comic book again it goes to what shows you

in this book with hand in hand of how. the tune

feud happened and how various things with Schuster

and Siegel and all that. And you got Joe Simon

and he got all these creators, all these names

that somebody knows. Some comic book fan knows

at some point or another and just coming into

it cold. Even, even if I wasn't doing this show

for the last eight years, I would still probably

have known half of these names because Who didn't

grow up with the Fleischer Superman cartoons?

Who didn't know that Bob Kane was the co -creator

of Batman? You know, I mean, that's what we say

now, but sadly, Bill Finger got the finger for

the, for, you know, 70 of those 80 years or whatever

it was. But like, you know, all these names that

are happening in this story and all the story

that it's being told is like, Oh, I've heard

of that guy. I've heard of that guy. Oh, that's

how he made his mark in this. And it's. This

is a book that I would recommend to anybody.

Who wants to know why comics why we comic fans

feel the way we do about comics. In the fact

of would you like to know why. We are like the

way we are to the point of this is why this even

though we weren't around at the beginning of

the history of of of comics we've only come in

the last forty something years of it. We still

have, I still have a healthy respect for all

of the old stuff. I may not, you know, enjoy

it as much as other people did who may have grown

up, you know, may have been born in the forties

and grew up in the sixties or you know what I

mean? Like, yeah, it's all about perspective

and it's all about the perspective of when you

came into contact with it. It's like me trying

to tell someone about The previous Transformers

universe IDW just ended recently and they have

the new universe now, but like that was 13 years

of Transformers comics that were really friggin

good and You know if somebody gets it they get

it if they don't they don't and that's fine You

still have to have some sort of healthy respect

for it Yeah, and I think this is also a good

comic if you're you and maybe get someone who

is not into comics per se because It's talking

about comic history, but a lot of it. It's related

to the US and world history obviously, you know

tie into things like wars tying into things like

I mean the You know the comics code of authority

was happening around the same time as like the

red scare and things like that It's not directly

related, but it was during like This kind of

newfound puritism of the united states and like

how much that impacted everything so and it because

you know comics were a reflection of reality

and you know, so this in a way Getting into that

history or getting into getting into the us history

as well And then also things like, you know understanding

copyright and how that's evolved and changed

Like owner's rights and how you know, we we see

all these movies and the superhero films and

realizing that no all the A lot of the people

who made those happen are not getting much of

anything for their creations and realizing that

that's been an ongoing battle for such a long

time and why that happened. It is very informative.

I've read a lot of history of comics. I've read

the comic book history of wrestling, the comic

book history of baseball, and I think what makes

them... what makes the goods from the bad from

the yogurt is being able to like find that balance

of being informative also being kind of clever

with it and making it enjoyable not just this

dump of information because you know that that's

there but I think it's all about how you organize

it and craft it and I thought this was one of

the best I've read because it like I said just

a little being in a comic itself, I thought it

was able to kind of relate and do a lot of clever

things, not just give us information, but kind

of tell a story at the same time to make it fun

and interesting. I think it, which is the kind

of the key ultimately, because if this isn't

exciting and then it's like, oh, comics can't

be exciting because if their history isn't, but

yeah. Yeah. The book follows not only Jack Kirby,

but it follows Joe Simon and and all of that

It follows Siegel and Schuster and it's so funny

as I'm reading through this. I'm like, oh Simon

and Schuster Wait a minute I don't think that's

the, I don't, I don't remember off top of my

head. I think my other favorite thing from this

is when they get to the point in the book where

they're new comic book publishers and the shops

that service them sprung up like mushrooms across

Manhattan. You see this giant map of Manhattan,

and then you see a list of all the publishers

like Eisner and Eiger, AKA Universal Phoenix,

Funnies Inc, Harry Chesler. You see, you know,

National periodical publications, which would

obviously later become DC Timely would become

later Marvel, but all these other ones that like

I Didn't know that whiz comics and Captain Marvel

were were, you know, Farrah Fawcett. I'm sorry

bad joke Fawcett publishing company or ace magazines

was super mystery for favorites or Yeah, I love

seeing that because I love seeing again. It's

showing you the history. It's showing you sadly

when some of these companies started and ended

at the same time and Some are still going like

DC like Marvel likes Archie kind of thing Yeah

Yeah, I even really like the the heavy metal

section too and like 96 ad like getting into

that piece because heavy metal something I I

don't know a lot about so it was That history

was intriguing because you know, it's not just

the US comics. It did get into it didn't talk

a lot about manga per se but in even got into

animation obviously there's the other comic that's

completely animation but this dies into that

because those are two worlds that are you know

closely related like we talked about with um

you know the superman cartoons but even earlier

than that and you know disney and how it impacted

comics so it it It's a very inclusive extensive

look into the world and I think about some of

your favorite pages one of my favorite is the

evolution of the superhero page we're just like

a superhero from the golden age of Silver Age

in the modern age and like this how they've evolved

it's It's very true like it just it does sum

up comics pretty well and how superheroes have

changed from where they have been and where they

are Obviously very exaggerated, but I thought

that was a one of my favorite pages The one thing

with the cartoon thing that I'll say is one of

the panels that I screencapped was, the argument

against cartoon features had always been that

they wouldn't be able to sustain audience interest,

because the public wouldn't be able to identify

with drawn characters the way they do with live

actors. They couldn't feel real emotion for cartoon

people and their dramatic struggles. Are you

kidding me? Like seriously, I have more emotion

out of car I can point to one thing that everybody

cries about I don't not anymore, but you know

Megatron shot optimus prime. Damn it. You know

what I mean? Like the fact that these people

thought that cartoon characters wouldn't be You

know what I mean? Like yeah, just it's just that

that's just a silly notion and obviously they

were proven wrong and Yeah, I Mean obviously

it like at the time was something that was just

considered, you know It was a kid cartoon that

had some laughs and that was pretty much it It

wasn't something people really put one respect

in which is again I think also comics as well

because in comics wasn't necessarily a medium

at one time it was extremely looked down upon

especially during like the the Comics code of

authority trials and things like that and a lot

of comic book Creators and you know, stanley

would even famously say like he would he would

say he is a writer But he wouldn't talk about

being a comic book writer because it wasn't something

people respected For the longest time. I mean

not I would say relatively recently. Um, I mean

more more so now than ever um, but you know,

maybe even uh Potentially, I don't know like

when that change happened if it was like, you

know the 80s when you had things like the watchmen

getting a lot of um, huge respect, uh as a piece

of art and same thing like with uh, neil gaiman's

work, but There it was always considered that

You know a kid's medium and it hasn't been for

a very long time Just a kid's medium, but I think

people tend to just still think it that way Even

even now with all the movies. I feel like we

still haven't seen that transition from a lot

of people will You know like the movies, but

they still they're still not necessarily what

it used to be. They're still somewhat of a stigma

with comics Yeah, but you know It's just one

of those things where comics cartoons even video

games. Oh The big stink over video games and

cartoons and movies and entertainment in the

80s of oh my god They're going to run out and,

and, and act this stuff. Like, look, I grew up

as a kid in the eighties. I knew what was on

my television screen was fiction. I knew that

was make believe. I knew that was something,

you know, as a 10 year old in 1990, I'm not going

to go out skateboarding in a purple mask and

cape. Thank you very much. I mean, Halloween

not permitting, but it's one of those things

where it's like, you look at the Simpsons intro.

For the longest time, Bart always does that skateboard

trick off the pole. I could, even if I wasn't

born disabled, I probably could never have done

that in real life. The way it's done in the,

in the opening of the Simpsons kind of thing.

And it's like, do these people not enjoy, like

what did people enjoy before this? That's like.

Anytime anyone's like, oh my god, the cartoons

are so violent. Oh my god. Yeah, you know Yeah,

it just goes to show you like looking at this

is you know, especially the in the trial of the

innocent book that Had such a huge impact on

comics is that there's always a boogeyman Always

that thing that's gonna be the reason that's

going to destroy the kids and then every kid

generation is always the worst kid generation

Before they're the more they're more violent

than ever when obviously that's that's not the

case and it doesn't make you think like how much

like what would what would the comic book medium

be like if there that didn't happen because if

did forever change comics comics had to you know,

like a lot of those horror books and things like

that had to kind of go away and Get into more

of the you know, very polished and And maybe

that's where we talked about things being kid

-friendly where that sparks from is but Did that

eventually lead to you? Then like the the more

modern age where we've we get the deconstruction

of superheroes like with Watchmen of the Black

Hammer universe or Astro City, so I just it makes

me wonder like how much outside influencer has

been on the medium and it's kind of gets into

that and just to see like It definitely stilted

their evolution for you know, you got people

and then until until basically the solar age

where People were able to you know Take superheroes

into a new light with like once flash, you know

people when flash came back and Fantastic four

and suddenly, you know, it's a whole rebirth

of the not does not that not dc rebirth but just

the rebirth of the industry Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, no dc rebirth is only a few years old and

sadly they've already killed it Uh, but like

it's funny that since then like this came out

before that and it's Yeah But at the same time

when I read through this I did not feel like

it was dated This book is specifically a history

starting from the beginning and ending at the

point of publication back in 2012. It was not

you know Yeah, it doesn't get into this because

really I mean unfortunately not much has changed

in the world of comics All that much since 1986

like that year kind of redefined. I mean some

some small things have happened I shouldn't say

that like image like we the indie boom like it's

different than it was but totally Mainstream

comics have kind of saved that same course For

the for the most part. So there really isn't

that much change. I mean, obviously have the

like what happened with image and And industry

-wise, business -wise, things have adjusted with

digital comics now. Again, I would be interested,

too, if they were to do another issue of this

and getting into the YA boom that has happened

with things like Marina Telgemeier and people

like that who have redefined comics, again, for

a new age and how Scholastic is the biggest comic

book publisher right now. And how like that's

because that may be one piece this doesn't get

into that Potentially if they were to do a sequel

issue or something like that would be something

to look into Because that is something that I

think people don't even a lot of people don't

realize they keep thinking Marvel and DC are

the biggest publishers and they aren't anymore

but by far like the white white white books are

kind of where the Majority of comic book sales

are right now and then like things like Kickstarter.

So I think we are finally seeing From like the

eight years since well nine. Wow, nine years

since this has come out. Jeez That there has

been some change not obviously the massive change

but it If they were to do another issue of this

it would I think though those were some pieces

I could touch upon but ultimately it doesn't

get into a lot of Like post -2000 which is fine

because I think a lot of that stuff has already

been covered on ad nauseam. Anyways Yeah, I mean,

just look at any, and I'm not calling them out

specifically, I am calling them out specifically,

but I'm not calling them out specifically as

a bad thing. Look at any comicresources .com

article in the last 10, 15, 20, anytime any of

the big two adult comic companies in, and I know

DC has kid stuff. I know Marvel has kid stuff,

but honestly, seriously, are you really going

to get, how old's your oldest now? He's five.

He's five. Are you gonna give your five six seven

eight year old? Uh batman number one by scott

snider I don't think not that young maybe 12

or 13 Maybe somewhere like that kind of you know

Yeah, I think I think I think that is a kind

of a lot of the Mean marvel dc books aren't really

can only do they actually add speaking of idw

most of like the kid friendly marvel books are

published to idw now. Yeah so those would be

more cured but then there are certain characters

that always having to have caught on with the

younger audience like kamala conn for example

but i think those speak. Speaking to. Kids today

much more than a batman is um that and obviously

like things like manga and stuff like that But

yeah, I wouldn't like I read, you know a lot

of them Not a lot of the main marvel and dc books.

So what I give to a kid under the age of 12 um

for the most part, there's some exceptions, but

Uh, yeah, they're definitely written to an older

older audience. Um, like I said, I really probably

sense For for some time now. Um, but sometimes

it can get a little bit extreme with it there's

a like darlin darlin hookers, um You know probably

all my favorite comic garters would talk about

it as well too. Like how much the comics have

changed? Where I would give you know new frontier

to a kid because that does touch upon some more

adult themes But like not in a way that's in

your face. Um, yeah, yeah Yeah And you mentioned

earlier about kickstarter and all that kind of

stuff and man, I'll let me tell you kickstarter

whoo That is allowing people to do things that

they probably never would be able to do. Yeah.

I mean, even though it's people like us that

are helping that, like, just as of this recording,

my buddy Ryan Drost, his so far single issue

of his comic called Stealth Hammer. I just got

the reward for it just before we started recording

this because he had it on Kickstarter, it got

funded, and they were able to go ahead and make

this one issue of this comic book. Ten years

ago, that probably wouldn't happen. Twenty years

ago, I know it wouldn't have happened. Yeah,

so popularly publishing has changed a great deal.

I mean it it was a lot harder like in it you

look at like 19 we talked about 1986 and how

that's talked about and Teenage Mutant Ninja

Turtles and the black and white broom that happened

at that time And it was possible, but it was

like it was a lot of luck It was a lot of a lot

of people getting you know Getting being at the

right spot at the right time people passing things

along and it took that that explosion happened

and you had to put it There is no guarantees.

You know with kickstarter you you you get you

know, you get that money up front, you know when

you're when you're Back in the 80s or before

that you kind of have to put everything you have

into it and just hope that you can make your

money back and Maybe make your money back. Maybe

you get lucky and you know, you strike gold and

your comic goes off huge Um, but it's very it's

a lot easier now to to make things which is good

because it's breaking down doors and barriers.

Um, but that also just means that there's a lot

out there. Um, but yeah anyways, but Ultimately

looking at this this comic if you are like, I

think Okay comic book fan. I would highly recommend

it. It's available if you have comic olgy unlimited

It's on there for free the trades the trades

are out and this is one thing like one of those

books I think I don't want to get the physical

book. I was looking into it because I could see

myself just like picking a page out and then

just like reading it because there's, it's one

of the things we'll go back to. There's so much

to it. Like I think one read, like you can't

soak it all in, but like going back to it, you

know, and like this picking out pieces, or if

you're ever going to talk about a certain book,

it's a good reference point. So it's, you know,

there's, it's a, it's a, it's a resource and,

you know, in a good story on top of that. So

absolutely. Meanwhile in space like I just I'm

just kind of flipping through this on comics

ology even just using the guided view as we're

doing this and I'm like, wow This has got so

much In it and you know, we get you know, the

story of Stan Stanley Lieber and Stanley and

all of that and yeah I thought it handled that

pretty fairly because you know that There's a

lot of rivalries and conflicts in comics. And

how do you approach it? And I thought it was

very fair. And because a lot of people kind of

lean one way or another, I thought it handled

those pretty matter factually, not try to make

one person out to be the villain over the other

one. I thought it was trying to kind of find

the truth in that, which I appreciated it because

it's it's some people like you can tell when

I've read other pieces of that history like other

either stories or articles or comics and Like

often like you're like, oh this you can tell

that they have a certain Allegiance to one creator

are they next where this one? I thought was it

was just trying to get to the truth and the reality

of the situation. Yeah But you know reading through

this I'm thinking of myself All these giants

of industry Are For the most part, most of them

are not, are no longer with us. And I'm not saying

they're going to live forever. Where they live

forever is in the pages of the comics that they

created and the characters that they created

that other people now are able to tell stories

with. And I think that is amazing. But just going

back and hearing, you know, just reading about

all these names and reading about all these people,

it's like, what, even though there were Turmoil

and tribulations and everything else during any

any of this history What a wonderful time that

would have been to be alive to be someone who

is getting a timely comic or or What yeah, just

DC Marvel, whatever you you know, I mean image

valiant whatever like in that time of Again,

we talk about it this often on this show sometimes

where it's like, oh, I miss the spinner racks

I miss being able to go to and it was so So silly

because they didn't really treat. Well, like

we were saying earlier, they didn't really treat

them as books. I could go into a Walden books

in the Kingston independence mall in 1990 or

1994, grab a Spider -Man issue off a spinner

rack and Walden books of all places. And they're

like, Oh, you're buying a comic. I'm like, yeah.

I was 10 or 14 or whatever it was at the time,

but it's like, I just. Wonder what it would be

like for those people that were that age at that

time that Kirby and Simon and Stan and everybody

was putting stuff out to you know, the excitement

that we you know we get of let's say IDW's TMNT

coming out every month or Image Comics has radiant

black or power, uh, boom has Power Rangers or

whatever it is. Like the excitement that we get

now for the books that we're reading now, I wonder

what it was like then. And I wonder like what

these companies are going to do in the future

once we're all gone and see what the next generation

of, of readers would be like. I think my overall

favorite funniest panel in this book is the DC

logo. Walking the Marvel logo like a dog And

as a Marvel fan I was extremely offended but

not really It's just a joke. Yeah. Yeah, but

it's like it's like so funny Yeah Yeah There

that that's the thing too. Like those moments

I think is what makes it intriguing because there's

there's a lot of humor in in this and cleverness

which is a why like I saying like they're like

we're talking about on the information it's giving

but it and I never felt overloaded because there

was always the way it was brought to you was

very clever and and why I really like the the

current one they're doing the animated one they

did it has a similar type of vibe you know where

they're talking about Dumbo and they're showing

double in the middle Pearl Harbor which I thought

was just really funny because that came out around

the same time as Pearl Harbor and I thought like

that That type of, uh, that one's colored though.

So, uh, if, uh, anyways, that's irrelevant, but,

uh, I just, I just, this is a really strong team

and I, and I really like what they're doing with

this. So like after doing your animation, if

you know, hopefully if they do another one, whatever

that may be, it's not, it doesn't go as long

between issues, but yeah. Again why I love waiting

for the trade like the trade for the comic book

history of animation comes out I think May 26th

I can wait two months. I'm fine. Yeah Coming

out and monthly issues because like it's so rare

to get nonfiction Comics in that type of format

like I they know they're very common graphic

novel wise, but I wanted seeing it in a monthly

format It's so rare and that's what I love about

comics is the variety in the diversity in the

medium and sometimes I can get over like it can

get minimized because you know Superheroes overtake

it or what have you? So anytime I see a book

like that, which I'm like all this needs to be

when people need to know about it I was that's

what that big reason why I wanted to include

it in this I think Good opportunity for this

too, because now this is obviously not. I mean,

you could probably find the individual issues,

but there's a lot of other ways to keep this.

Like I said, it's available digitally or you

can, you can get the trade if it's still in front.

Yeah. I mean, it's just so, so cool and so interesting

seeing this story played out. In a con, you know

seeing this the history of comics played out

in a comic book and seeing every aspect that

they touch on from batman to adam west to This

to that and how it just keeps going up and up

and up and up and up. Yeah Yeah, yeah, because

like we should mention it does talk about like

the the you know the Meet the media that comics

influence like you said with Adam West and the

movies and stuff like that, too So that's the

one thing looking at this and seeing if like

Jack Kirby and the other creators wondering like

what they would think of seeing a world in which

you know Everyone's talking about wanted it and

everyone's talking about their movies are the

biggest movies in the world And there's the stuff

that they created like and we talked to you know

comics going from the stigma of like this is

the thing killing her, you know Making our kids

evil to a billion trillion dollar franchises

and unfortunately they they don't get to see

that um, you know, but some I mean some of them

do but but it just it makes you realize all the

hard work and dedication it took to get to that

point because Like if I was jack herby, you know

like I could see why he would want to give up

and probably make better money doing something

else but he just kept going because there was

something about the The medium that he loves

and other other creators as well. Um, yeah, so

Yeah, I mean it's just a fun fun read. It's Pretty

much the Best way like we often say oh Like and

I said this eight years ago when we started this

podcast I really don't want to have to go through

the last at that time 70 years 80 years, you

know, we were we were just hitting 75 years of

batman was the next year in 2014 so you know.

We we've hit 80 years now but it's like when

i started the pullback it was like i don't want

to have to read the last 80 years to figure out

where this character is now give me a story where

it begins at the beginning. And i don't have

to look through issues six hundred nine hundred

or whatever you don't mean like. Everyone always

criticizes the whole and I do too. I'm not not

including myself in this Oh, they reboot it again

just to get a number one or they did this or

they did that or whatever Hey companies got to

do what they got to do to reinvent themselves.

We may like it. We may not like it but There

were a lot if I didn't come in it like I don't

know where I would be now if I hadn't come in

at the time that I did with DC because New 52

had pretty much was maybe what three or four

years. Cause they started that in what? 2011.

No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. New 52 was 2011. And when

I got into it in 2013, I was like, Oh, okay.

Cool. And then I, for me, I always find, and

I know the listeners are tired of me saying this,

but I'm going to say it every time I always find

characters. I like it's never for me, it is never

like, When we ask the question in the origins

episode DC or Marvel For me, the answer is always

both because it depends on the character not

the publisher Yeah, I like batman. I like iron

man. I like captain america. I like nightwing

like I like batgirl I like um, um I don't want

to say one division, but you know like And I

don't want people to hear me say that and no

he doesn't let no I'm trying to think of another

female character on Marvel's side. And I really

can't at the time. Like, you know, now that we

have this Marvel, yeah. Yeah. There you go. Phoenix.

Great. Yeah. Rogue, rogue. There you go. You

know, now that we have the, what is the Marvel

cinematic universe and now the Marvel television

universe with, with the Disney plus stuff, it's

like, Ooh, this is so cool. Like, all right.

Well, I'm just, have you seen it? Have you seen

the finale yet? Yeah, all the shows, yeah, of

the WandaVision. Yeah, all right. Right now,

folks, at this point in time of episode 400 of

The Pull Bag, there will be spoilers for WandaVision.

So you have been warned. Spoilers. Two moments

in that finale that I absolutely loved is when

she got the full Scarlet Witch costume at the

very end of it. And when the two visions were.

Not necessarily battling, but when they got to

a point where they could actually talk to each

other. Yeah. And the one vision gave the other

vision, the thing, and just everything was kind

of okay. Like I loved the two of them absolutely

talking it out and figuring it out and, and coming

to a conclusion the way vision would. And I still.

I still think of that guy as Jarvis. I always

will. Like I said, they've had a lot of documentaries

about comics, about the history of comics, and

Disney Plus is doing some recently. Those have

been good, but I think this is, to me, a more

impressive amount of information and covers a

wider spectrum. Um, so if you, if you enjoyed

those and you wanted something deeper, cause

I think like a lot of those cover the same stories

over and over again, they hit the same beats

where this, this doesn't. And it hits some of

those, like we talked about, but I think it's,

it, it gives more of a full story. Um, and. It

gives more of a full story. Yeah, it gives more

of a full story and perspective because the people

that are trying to tell the story, both in the

writing and the art. are essentially biographers

at this point. They are people who are looking

at it from the outside. It's not, you know, someone

from Stanley's family or someone from Jack, you

know, Jack Kirby's grandson, or, you know, it's

not people attached to the people that the story

is being told about. And again, I think, you

know, that that puts it in a light where Oh,

this is a story about the history of comics about

all of the history of comics and all of its creators

that brought us to where you know, they again

paved the way to where we are to if This would

be a very vastly different world if Stanley Jack

Kirby Joe Simon Siegel and and Schuster Kane

and finger if none of them did what they did

Don't know where comics would be today. I can't

even imagine a world Yeah, different than what

it is with these creators doing what they did

Yeah, and for sure and and seeing the obstacles

they have to like overcome with it and how how

strenuous that was you know, it wasn't easy and

I mean and how they had a lot of them had to

fight for their rights and then You didn't get

them until until you know, not too long ago long

maybe even longer, you know after they passed

um, and just how cut throughout the industry

has been and it's you know You could you could

understand like, you know why people who like

You know the creators of superman may hate comics

like because it's completely like took what they

they created and Never really gave them the acknowledgement

that They deserved and then that was kind of

the common creative rights were non -existent

So it makes you, you know appreciate it and understand

that like it like I know people think there's

been a lot of for example watchmen and People

have some issues when people when there's like

other watchmen comic comic book series that come

out because I'm always pretty been pretty open

about not wanting anything additionally watchmen

to be related and how he kind of got screwed

with with the rights because You know, he thought

once they stopped making watchmen helped be able

to get all the rights back But they just haven't

stopped doing anything with it. So it's Just

yeah, and then anyways just seeing like the creative

spirit that went into it Compared to the history

of it in one piece of a comic I think it really

puts all that in perspective and that like the

rewards as well as kind of the darker side of

the industry Because ultimately, you know, it

is business and with business unfortunately Just

because you're right doesn't mean that you'll

win and almost most often the cases Yeah, that's

the gate, you know, that's what happens when

it comes to comics, you know So you got anything

else before we end? I mean, it's a fun book.

Everybody should read it I think it's you know,

it may be a long read in trade But like you said

you can get the single issues on Comixology.

I do not know if IDW still has this in print

I'm sure you could find the trade in a comic

shop or something But it's just so fun and so

interesting Yeah, it's like I said something

you would definitely get your money's worth and

I could see You you're going back to your time

and time again. It's still available on amazon

So it's still you can still buy it physically

If you would like to do that, so awesome Oh boy

eight years. Where the hell do we go from here?

Well folks I can tell you but You jumped on a

little later than when we started but what were

your initial thoughts when I started this show

way back when Well, that was like at a time when

I really I think when it comes to comics I've

been on and off like right, you know, I'm not

So when it was, you know comics as a kid and

read them every year Like that wasn't really

a time that I was that into comics, but it in

a way helped me get back into it Just hearing

you guys talk about I know obviously I think

never Batman was one of the key things that really

got you into it. So it I felt like it was a big

part of Geocast Radio that we didn't really cover

was comic books, and I think, you know, it kind

of ignited that fire that I had. I was really

into comics until about 2010, 2011, when the

comic book shop I went to closed down. And I

moved, so it was like, yeah. I kind of went away

from it, but then getting into it and then with

the birth of digital comics being able to get

access to things a lot easier and You know libraries

and things like that. So it it helped Ignite

that to the You know, I just went to the library

today and picked up like 30 comic books compared

to like before where I would not read much of

anything so I think a big reason because of that

was you guys covering the industry and getting

into different stories and Putting out episode

upon episode. Um, so It's been it's been a joy

to be a part of and listen to Absolutely. I did

not think we would hit 400 I I honestly was not

It's eight years of content and it is I believe

oh go ahead So are you rebooting and going back

to oh, no, are you kidding me? Pullback unlimited

or something like that. No, no, no, no, no, no.

I mean we could name it that but fresh fresh

new number one episode with 18 ,000 variant covers

and stuff like so yeah, I wish If I could only

get Steve to do 18 ,000 pieces of art for this

show I mean, I know I'm a slave for when it comes

to him doing art for this but Uh, and I appreciate

every banner he's made, every banner TV's Mr.

Neil has made for it, for the show, and the fact

that the show wouldn't be this show without Michael

Powers because he was the one that gave me the

name for it. Originally, it was going to be called

The Pull List. Uh, and I just don't think that

that really works. So, but The Pull Bag, yes,

we are continuing on. And it's funny, I've actually

been trying to get him on a show with me for

years, and now that I have the Origins format

the way it is, I think I should be able to get

him on, considering Upcoming is one of his cohorts

on an Origins episode. Michael David Sims over

at earth -2 .net, so earth, just a dash, the

number two dot net. He has been doing podcasting

for almost 20 years now. He's been doing it for

16 years. back in 2007 -2008 when I got into

listening and then obviously producing it was

like oh I need to emulate this just get in and

find my own way from there and his main show

earth2 .net the show has over 1 000 podcast episodes

since it launched october i'm going to say october

25 2005 I'm not saying the pullback is gonna

get to a thousand episodes. I'll probably die

before then, sadly. But I'm 600 away, Mike. I'm

gonna catch up to you. I don't know. I honestly

don't know. What I do know is where this show

is going for the majority of 2021. Episode 401

and 402 will be two Origins episodes. One will

be Desmond Reddick of Dread Media. Des is that

aforementioned person that, uh... It's friends

with Mike Sims and Mike actually publishes Dez's

podcast Dread Media. It's a horror podcast. It's

actually really, really good, even though I'm

not a horror person. It's a really interesting

look at horror. Dez loves it and everything else.

After that, we got another Origins with Mikey

from Moonbase 2. So we got that. And then, uh,

I have to find a new, uh, a new normal for this

podcast. Like everybody else has to find a new

normal for the world we live in now. A mix between

monthly books and trades because Steve Megatron

wants to review Beast Wars individually. And

I'm like, fine, sure. Great. But like, I still

want to wait for the trade. I'm also doing radiant

black individually. Autobot Lee April will return

this year for Transformers comics, which we've

got a bunch of trades and stuff from the new

universe for that They will be a partial Batman

month. I do have two special episodes coming

and I don't know how I'm gonna do them. I Almost

wish we would have saved this for this one episode,

but episode 404 is basically comics not found

so 404 error code, yada, yada, yada. My thought

on this is we start out talking comics and then

we talk about anything else other than comics

and then somehow tie it back into comic books

at the end of the show. I don't know how that's

gonna work. No clue. And then episode 411, episode

411 is, you know... the information of comics,

and I almost think we should have waited for

that for this one, but this is more the history.

I figure episode 411, episode 411, we could do,

like you were talking about, you go to the library,

you use digital, you also go to your local comic

shop kind of thing as well, so maybe we can put

together some sort of digital pamphlet or something

of everybody has a different approach to comics,

but I feel that anyone can approach it any way,

and here are the best ways to do so kind of thing.

I don't. Yeah, it's a lot of a lot planned. That's

really cool. Oh yeah. You know, me planning your

head. So yes, where are the people find you online,

sir? Um, you can find me, uh, on Twitter, uh,

at common years comics. Uh, it's best place to

find me also common con con tears on Instagram.

And most of my stuff is on KCAS radio. Absolutely,

you want to talk about your your group on Facebook?

Oh, yes. I did recently start a Facebook group

So I've been a part of some Facebook groups and

they're awful. It's often like Just either just

a lot of horrible people and or just people just

trying to sell comics and just I'm like, right

Are there people are there groups of people that

like to read comics? So I created a group but

you never comics Comic book for people who like

three comics and if you want to join that you

can just search for it on Facebook and I'll add

you Just trying to find a good general like hive

To talk about discuss comics in a way that it's

not about speculation or you know, just people

complaining about stupid stuff And it's hard

to do in Twitter because Twitter's like you things

can come and go another gonna be creating communities

But I felt like Facebook can be a good spot for

that if you can cultivate A community and I've

been, I've been trying to join pieces and most

of them like eventually devolved. I'm like, you

know what? I'll try my own. Um, so if you want

to check that out, you can get it on Facebook.

Yeah, I'll put the link in the, uh, in the, in

the post so people can go directly to it. I am

at TF2 and Mike on Twitter. You can follow all

the other stuff that you hear in the outro after

this. Like I said, coming up next time is, uh,

my discussion with Desmond Reddick, a person

that I'm. quite literally eight hours away from.

He's up there in Canada. And it was a fun conversation

getting his origins of comic reading. And I love

doing those episodes. And it's funny because

I never actually added up how many origins I've

done in the last eight years. And I think Dez

is number either 31 or 32 or 33, I forget. But

basically out of 400 episodes, we've had under

50 episodes that are origins. And I like doing

those because I think it brings up more conversation

even though it's just me and one other person.

We can still have a good conversation about comics

because everybody's approach to it has been different.

No one person has the same comic origin than

somebody else does. So yes, make your great escape

into comics and we will catch you next time here

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