Harleen Review

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is something all four of us love. Someone all

four of us love in probably very different ways,

in different incarnations throughout her creation.

It is the Clown Princess of Crime herself, Dr.

Harleen Quinzel, with Stephen Sysheks. I hope

I pronounced his name properly. I probably didn't,

because I just... Can't talk anymore apparently

It's his three -issue DC black label series Harleen

Insert applause here. Yes. Yes discussion on

this one because Can't remember we haven't had

this yet, but I I'll just say it right now while

the world was falling apart. I saw birds of prey

and And we had this huge argument on Facebook,

a nice one. They were fists, but the point being

is that I said that I saw the movie and I thought

that it sucked because I enjoyed the animated

series and I enjoyed the DC Harley Quinn show

that came out and her comics in New 52, which

I couldn't shut up about. I know I've discussed

them with you on separate podcasts, Mike, but

the bottom line was And of all the versions,

I could not stand this. And we were about to

talk about it. And I said, you know what, the

world is turning to, you know what, as it is,

there has to be something better. And I don't

know what happened, but thankfully you came in

somehow and you read our minds. This is a much

better, I mean, I'm tired of origin stories.

I've said it. 10 months ago, and I'll say it

now, I'm just, especially with the Joker movie

that came out last year, I was like, I get it,

move forward. This is going to be an interesting

discussion. Yeah, because here's the thing, and

I know you're tired of origin stories, Jeremy.

The thing of it is, is the origin stories aren't

for us, unless it's something we don't already

know. Is there a new way to tell an origin story?

Sure. But the reason why origin stories exist

is that It's for people who may have never known

the character or have like as soon as I sign

we'll get into this once we get into the comic

But as soon as I saw Okay, Bob. Now you're my

number one. I heard Jack Nicholson in my head

But it's still an origin story that you know

that I read it in that voice, too Yeah, I mean,

I mean, how can you not? I heard it as Arlene

Sorkin, and I heard it as Kevin Conroy. That's

how I heard it. Because I feel, again, I've discussed

this as well, that Paul Dini, when he was working

on the M8 series, he was friendly with Arlene

Sorkin. She was working on a soap opera in the

80s, where during a dream sequence she dressed

up as a Harley Quinn, and she did what would

be Harley's classic voice. and that's when he

decided years later he was gonna put her in the

show as this one character and she became popular

and finally by season three and four and onward

she's become this huge thing and people have

this love -hate relationship towards her because

some people don't like the fact she came from

an abusive relationship other people just find

her to be annoying they don't know why she's

exploded into this fan base where they just feel

that she just doesn't belong regardless And then

you have people like me that I've met, the creators

of New 52, Amanda and her husband, that I've

said to them, you know, thank God you've made

her where she's no longer on the one -handed

side of a fist fight, where she has her own adventures

and it's not Betty and Veronica. And when she's

with Ivy, they have these, you know, they're

either fighting crime or they're hanging out.

And again, I go back to the DC show that came

out last year, and thankfully that's getting

renewed. She's got... Something to her and even

when Paul Didi took over for her stories in the

early 2000s There were some good stories too

in the Bronze Age before it became new 52 They

had ones where she started her own gang They

had ones where she went to hell and and hell

didn't know what to do with her anymore. They

sent her back. So This has always been a character

that I don't know how you really feel about her

because I I like her more from like New 52 onward,

but I guess there's one version of Harley that's

catered to you. So, and I know you used to do

Legends of the Dark Knight. And of course, I

loved your version, you know, your interpretation

of mad love and you said that Harley needs to

get some brains and we'll talk about that. But

I guess like what version of Harley do you love?

Cause Kendra, Edward and I, we've discussed this

as well on my podcast when we discussed Arkham

Knight. You didn't like the Tara Strong voice

too much, as I recall, but which version of Harley

do you like, like, voice and character? Like,

which one do you think defines his character?

Who do you want to answer first, me or her? Well,

ladies first, I guess. There you go. Kendra?

Which is my favorite version of Harley? That's

a more difficult question than it used to be,

because if someone were to have asked me that,

let's say two years ago, it would have immediately

been Taz. That would have immediately been the

image of Harley that I would have brought up,

and that would have been the one that I related

to the most. But since we've had so many iterations

of Harley come out in the last two years, my

favorite, I would have to say without a shadow

of a doubt, would be either between this version

and Harley that we meet, or it would immediately

be the animated series Harley hands down. And

for me, basically, it's everything always comes

back to the DCAU. Everything always does and

it always will. Every time I hear or I read or

whatever and I see Harley doing whatever she's

doing, whether she's with Ivy, whether she's

with the Joker, whether she's off on her own,

whatever. I'm always going to hear Arlene Sorkin's

voice in my head. I have not seen enough of,

I actually haven't seen any of the DC universe

slash HBO Max Harley Harley series yet. I will

eventually, but I haven't yet. But it's like,

I haven't seen it yet. Hey, people want to send

me people want to send me money to do so. Go

ahead. tfg1mike at gmail .com anyway. My point

is that while I've heard Tara Strong's version

of the voice, and I think it's a good version,

it's not the voice I hear in my head when I read

the character. And for me, just like Kendra said,

it all comes down to the DC animated universe

whenever she shows up. Whether it's Batman the

animated series whether it's Superman Justice

League whether it's you know Batman Beyond You

know you girls I slave over a hot stove. Why

I oughta I love old lady Harley Anyway, or whether

it's this version what yeah, I know I agree with

you because With Tara Strong, I love her and

I know you've interviewed her but the problem

with Tara Strong's Harley is that it sounds like

Well, she voices Bubbles from Powerpuff Girls.

So it's like that episode where Bubbles went

hardcore against Mojo Jojo. But the problem is

that when she continued to do Harley in other

DC animated series that I think was on one version

of Cartoon Network or somewhere where they kind

of like superhero girls or something. Yeah, you

know, and there was like two other versions of

that where my point being is that it just, it's

bubbles growing up and it just doesn't work for

me. And then they try to put her in the Scooby

-Doo movies and it's still the same thing. I

feel that it's Arlene Sorkin because she was

just able to do that nasally Brooklyn accent.

And then, you know, over the years, Kaylee Cuckoo,

who took over, you know, Penny from Big Bang

and became Arlee, I can't... Put the actor and

the voice together because it doesn't sound like

penny and that's perfect and I do again. I would

go back to new 52 and I will put you know, caley's

voice with new 52 because again This is a chick.

You just definitely don't want to mess with I

can take her seriously now when that movie came

out that I saw for free as luck had it because

nobody was in the theater literally I walk into

the movie theater nobody's at the box office

nobody's at the concession stand it's like nobody

was around so i just walk into the auditorium

and the movie starts playing apparently the theater

was unlocked and the uh projector was on a timer

so the the staff forgot to come in i was like

well okay so i saw it by myself but margo robbie

is no harley clinton so Comic book wise though,

I have to go with Amanda and Jimmy who did a

great job writing and giving. This is where I

get to jump in real quick. Yeah. Uh oh. Okay.

I actually saw the new Harley Quinn movie thanks

to HBO Max and the request of my wife who saw

it opening day in theaters? Yep, opening night.

Opening night in theaters. So I went into it

with the immediate assumption that it was gonna

be a complete turd ball a la Suicide Squad and

I was actually kind of taken aback a little bit

because there was actually some really decent

shit in there Some things were kind of drawn

out for I guess runtime or effect or one or another

The brawl at the end. I'm gonna go out and say

it just felt like a music video but actually

enjoy the movie and a lot of that was because

of Margot Robbie and I'm I'm not gonna shit on

her Harley because James Gunn was like yo bitch

come on let's go do this the right way and she

was like I'm fucking down and we're about to

see this movie here in the next year ish is so

but favorite Harley I'm gonna go back test because

that's the Harley I met first, but reading this

new Harleen, I would pick up a monthly in a heartbeat

of this book because it's just that damn good.

Yeah, on a whole, and most people should know

this, but DC Black Label essentially, it's three

issue series. It's not complete ongoings or anything

like that. It's basically just mini series and

and one -shot kind of deals. And Harleen, actually,

what surprised me the most about this comic was,

number one, how smooth Stefan's art style is

and how fluid it is, as well as they make it

about Harley Dr. Harleen Quinzel. He makes it

about her He doesn't make it a Joker and Harley

adventure where she's just on the sidelines You

get glimpses like these first few opening pages

of it You know, she's in a dream clearly because

Gotham didn't grow a bat monster not yet. Anyway

You know Yeah, and then you see him and her with

her and her Harley outfit But it's a glimpse

of it. It's not like this isn't just your average

Batman book and Batman. What I love about this

book is that Batman is on the fringes of it.

He is on the outside almost. He's there. Everybody

that you would expect in Gotham is in this book

and it surprised me at every single turn. It

really did. Like how Stefan put the characters

we all know and mostly love Some people like

mr. Freeze. Some people don't like the penguin

whatever You know, you know you like who you

like you don't like who you don't like but it's

like the way like this is solely a Harleen and

Joker story. This is about how they met. This

is about how their perception of each other is

Actually, this is a Harley Marlene, excuse me

story The Joker just happens to be the one bad

day. He manipulated it though. All it takes is

one bad day to drive the sanest man insane. You

have a trained psychologist. Who obviously has

her own shit going on? She's normal human being

and that's one thing I actually adored about

this series is if like fleshed out that person

Like no one had ever done for me before You know,

yeah, but Joker was literally the bad seed of

this book. He wasn't if this isn't a Harley Joker

story. This is harleen and oh, yeah how she got

bent basically, yeah, basically, yeah one of

my favorite lines and I'll let, we'll let Kendra

talk here in a second. One of my favorite lines

in this comes in the first chapter. I guess there's

something to be said about walking toward the

light. You tend not to notice the shape of your

own shadows. And that's the panel where she's

walking into Arkham. And I'm like, wow, that

just kind of hits hard right there because the

choices she makes in this, even though Later

on, Batman tries to see it as, oh, well, the

Joker twisted her. He twisted her, he tainted

her, he basically set her up because he had that

file. And once again, in every episode of the

podcast, I always have to talk about Comixology's

Guided View with this book, the entirety of it.

The way they did this, the one page where it's

her at her desk, and it's all the files and the

folders the way they do it in the guided view

and they zoom in basically storyboard by storyboard

to show you each of the characters that she's

looking at in her files like Mad Hatter and Croc

and thank God you didn't hit him with a rock

Ivy and all that it was just really cool I love

how they how they utilize their technology for

that oh definitely but the other thing that I

found interesting too is that we're gonna also

be reintroduced to a, well the first Batman villain,

Dr. Hugo Strange. Because he was also a psychiatrist

that was obsessed with the Kremlin scene, and

he was also obsessed with Batman. And he's probably

as far as I knew the first guy who drove Batman

insane. He pretty much did what Joker couldn't

do. He broke Batman. And this is in the 70s.

And for a while he had a dress to be Batman.

And I kind of like in this version, because I

always thought if you're going to do an origin

story, what can you do different that you already

haven't told us? Kendra, quick question for you,

because we also discussed mad love. And my biggest

question was that Harleen wanted to be part of

Arkham Asylum because she wanted to do a Tell

All book. and make a profit. But in this version

however, I kind of wonder if she is being set

up to fail because in Mad Love, the graphic novel,

not the episode on Taz, she did seduce her psychology

professor to keep her gymnastics scholarship.

But in this universe, apparently, she did date

a professor, but nobody says anything about it,

but the only one who seems to be jealous is her

roommate. And then somehow throughout all of

this, and we'll get into it, she's able to work

at Arkham. Kendra, I know you've talked about

Harween a lot too, but I'm just kind of curious.

Do you think that there is some sort of setup

or something going on, or somebody is looking

for Harween to fail this time and joke, or is

just like... stringing things along, or do you

think, oh, this is just a pure coincidence? Oh,

come on, Fodden. Don't you want to rev up your

Harley? Vroom, vroom. The easiest way to put

that is, do I see that there is a conspiracy

for Harley to fail? Yes, absolutely. Cedric sets

that up beautifully in Harleen, because as you

read along, there's really not anything that

he leaves on the floor. everything that is a

part of these comics is there for a purpose and

there is a reason that he shows it to the readers.

Whether that's you looking at her dating Collins,

the professor, and that immediately setting off,

you know, the perception that people will have

on her. Certain people, not all people, but certain

people will have the perception that she's basically

just a slut sleeping her way to the top. in any

performance that she may get. Any success that

she gets is based on her sex. That is set up

beautifully. So there is that there, always in

the background of her head, that the only reason

that she moves forward is always going to have

some kind of traction behind it, whether that's

from the male or female perspective. When she

gets into Arkham and finally gets the chance

to start doing her research, not only is the

staff of Arkham mostly not behind her, but that's

not because of anything Harley's done. That's

because of the past precedents that have been

set by all psychiatrists that have come into

Arkham. Not any good has come from it at any

turn, so that's something that she steps into

that is against her. And when it comes to the

Joker conspiracy, there's a specific scene where

you see a guard who's being blackmailed by Joker

give him a file. Of course there's a manipulation

because that's one of the things that this keys

in on. Like Ed said, this is not a love story

between Joker and Harley, and that's one of the

main things that I love about this series so

much. It was never meant to be a love story.

It was to show you how a human can fall. And

someone who wants nothing more than good to come

from their work is going to fail because Joker

is feeding into that side of her. So yes, there

is a conspiracy there from my point of view.

Yeah, I am... I always found it, again, because

I work in the field, and when, in Mad Live, Harley

announces out in the open that she's looking

to do a Tell -All book, look, you'd be fired

right on the spot. And I guess in, you know,

Batman universe, that's just a setup for an origin

to become, you know, a member of Arkham. And

it's kind of interesting, too, because it seems

like there's only... One major penitentiary in

Gotham and there's only one mental institution

in Gotham convenience and from the Arkham video

games to the comics from Bronze Age onward it

is amazing that anytime anyone tries to work

in Arkham or Blackgate they end up either dying

dead or physically and psychologically maimed.

I know Cash is not in this story. He's in the

Arkham games and he was in Living Hell, but it

would have been nice to see him in this or flesh

him out a little more because he's also an interesting

character. I thought he was in this story, but

I guess not. But yeah, it is fascinating that

everyone who walks in there either walks out

dead or maimed or an inmate. So, Harleen's gonna

be no exception. Yep. Absolutely. Well, and just

to cut in there real quick, when it comes to

Arkham and to Blackgate, I think the reason why

these are usually the places that are first and

foremost on not only Gotham's spectrum, but also

on psychiatrists, is because these are where

the baddest of the bad are housed. The most psychotic

of examples that can be found. And if I were

trying to go in to see If my theory of empathy

were to be correct, I would have gone the exact

same path Harley did. I would have wanted into

Arkham and Blackgate just to see what was held

behind the walls. So I understand why those are

the ones that are the most brought up. We're

not going in to see a local robbery or a domestic

abuse case. We're going in to see the worst of

the worst because that's what's going to catch

the attention of people who are going to fund

her work. Exactly. And what I find so ironic

is that who funds her work is Mr. Bruce Wayne.

I'm like, wait a minute. He's the world's greatest

detective. He's the world's greatest detective.

And again, One day when we get to other stories,

he knows. And I think that he was trying to save

her, because again, I go back to when he does

his research, he knows more, like Joker, he gets

his resources, but one's trying to manipulate

and the one's trying to save and not really trying

to harm unless there's no other choice. That's

what Batman does. But unfortunately, Harleen's

just not going to listen, because in every version

she never listens to anything that Bruce Wayne

or Batman has said to her and we'll get there

in this story as well. But I do find it fascinating

because we're only in the first few pages of

this book because there's three of them but I

can't believe ironically that the voice of reason

is Dr. Hugo Strange. I don't know if this is

year one of Hugo Strange or he's manipulating

but He seems to call Harleen on her bullshit

because she does in the beginning, she is trying

to give a lecture about psychiatry and people

are just bored and she's using $10 words and

she's upset. And then when she goes to Hugo Strange

and tries to give her like, she's not trying

to crack a code for fortune or fame yet, which

is what she's done in the past. Here she actually

is trying to find a way to get through to inmates.

And Hugo is calling bullshit. Oh, well, you're

trying to come up with a new theory for yourself.

And she's like, no, he actually gives her the

hand. I love that panel, just like he facepomps

her. And that's something that of every version

I've seen of Hugo Strange, I've never seen him

do talk to the hand. I've met a lot of psychiatrists

that have done that to me and I want to take

my hand and smack them across their face, as

professional as it is, because I think you're

wrong. You don't dismiss me like that. How does

that make you feel? Well, because I got to be

honest. I really believe that Harleen, in this

version, is trying to have good intentions. Trying

to at least get through to the criminal insane.

She's she's not after She's not after Doing a

tell -all book the way she has in the past and

she's definitely not looking to make a quick

buck but I think the other problem is nobody's

listening to her because she's an attractive

blunt and Stephen who has written which played

in the past about half naked women. I guess I

can understand that and this is the most shapely

I've ever seen Harleen in. But still, I think

that Harleen has some good intentions, and it's

not, you know, social justice or anything. It's

just that people are just tired of hearing, oh,

I can change these criminally insane inmates,

but no one can, and Batman will just beat them

up and throw them back into the bag. And that's

pretty much how it's always been. It's like when

she's in the middle of drinking when she goes

to the alcohol She says and this is her whole

point. I think for this entire series That's

the problem with these so -called super villains.

They're more interested in telling you about

Who they are now? She wanted to know how they

snapped who they were before they snapped and

how they went through Snapping to becoming the

villains that they are Well, that's well that's

easy for Hatter and penguin and two -face because

they may change it a scooch Depending to keep

up with the times but Joker even if you got a

definitive origin It could always change and

it's multiple choice And if you find that the

mystery there is no mystery or as Joker said

once you tell the joke there is no joke I have

hypotheses on the Joker code But I think that

even if you really knew the truth at this point,

it doesn't really matter. He is what he is, and

she is what she is. And this is going to be an

ongoing debate on both of them either masking

or cocooning and becoming their new form. I mean,

I've had so many discussions about these two,

but... This is a version that I don't know if

it's definitive, but it's the most interesting

to see where they would really go and do it in

this universe, or at least in one of many. Does

he actually finally care about Harley? And I

don't know. That's the thing. Like, I thought

by the end of this, I was going to know if he

actually does care about her. But then there's

that whole scene with Batman and Alfred. And

I'm like... No way. I know the Joker's smart,

but come on. He couldn't have... Oh crap, he

played her. Well, Kendra, what do you think about

this one? Do you think that in this universe,

or any universe, that his Joker ever really cared

about Harley? No, I don't believe that he actually

has. I think that he's looked at her and he's

played her. exactly how he wanted to the entire

time. Was there maybe a fascination? Possibly.

Absolutely, I'll give it fascination. But I don't

believe that there was ever any part of him that

was literally in love with her. I don't think

that Joker rightly knows what love truly is.

I don't think that that's an emotion that he

can truly understand. But I think that one of

the best parts about this series is that when

you look at it, you get to see from these characters

A human aspect and I really really do like that.

I like seeing them making what are absolutely

reasonable logical and Could be real life choices

the humanizing factor. I think is what makes

this Harley so much better than the other one

Okay, and then I guess my other question to you

Kendrick is again we've watched the animated

series and I and I guess all of us have watched

Gotham at one point or another and especially

the Dark Knight to death If we get an origin

or a retelling, this is Harvey Dent's, I guess,

for the 15th time. What did you think of this

version of Harvey? Because I have to go with

Aaron Eckhart in Dark Knight and Richard Moll

in the animated series, where he really got fleshed

out. He's always been this superstitious guy

who needed a coin to make decisions. but then

he has repressed anger and now he's literally

two -faced and one bad day and blah blah blah.

But I don't think many people know what to do

with Harvey. What are your thoughts on this one?

Do you think that he's useful to the story or

do you think it's just like it's another Batman

film and he doesn't need to be here? Actually,

if I were to look at it objectively, I think

that this is the best time we've gotten. I think

this is also one of the most intimate versions

of Harvey that we've gotten where we get to see

him actually descend into the madness caused

by that solid sense of justice that he has. You

have two different versions of a person that

you get to watch. You get to see Harley who all

she wants is to feel like her work matters and

to feel validated and to have worth with what

she's trying to do in a world where nobody cares

about what she's trying to do. And then you have

Harvey, who is in a seat of power and is trying

to make his city a better place. And he's failing

because he's watching as all of the work that

everyone around him is doing is tied up in legal

jargon. He makes a very valid point of it with

Joker about how they have him for all of these

crimes, but yet the judges and the juries never

want to find him in Blackgate. because of a potential

riot or by giving him basically the light to

the match of a bomb. They don't want to give

him that. And so he's stuck. He's stuck in a

dynamic where he never gets what he truly wants.

And it isn't until he gets the acid poured that

you get to see just what is going on in Harvey's

head. So for me, I think that Harvey is not only

relevant in this book, but that he carries a

bit of the weight for the story as well to see

the dynamic between the choices that Volke and

Harley make throughout the series. Mike, what

do you think about all this? This is basically,

and it actually is, something that Stefan points

out when she's talking to the Joker, when she

writes the names on the wall, when she writes

Harvey and Harley, and then obviously she...

Wipes it away to reveal the ha ha but Honestly

Harley and Harvey. It's it's two. It's two sides

of a very different coin because she goes one

way he goes another way and She even says it

in the book and within five months will both

be murderers And I were yeah, and I do love the

origin of the coin in this one because again

I go back to The coin always felt like a prop

like he just uses an excuse and even in Dark

Knight before he gets his face burned He's always

pretending. He's gonna use that scarred side

of the coin. He really isn't But in this one,

the coin has a story. Yeah, it's a really disturbing

one about it was about a murderer who got on

parole and you know, someone that Harvey tried

to put away and he couldn't and now he just keeps

that as a reminder. So I'm glad that the coin

finally makes sense about why Harvey is starting

to shape into what he's going to become. Is it

the best version though of Harvey? It's one of

them. I just wish, you know, sometimes I feel

he's shoehorned in But then I kind of feel that,

yeah, he was next to Gordon, one of the last

corrupt members of Gotham, because Gotham had

a lot of corrupt officers, a lot of corrupt politicians,

and it just couldn't be Jim Gordon, the only

one good cop. So I do like the fact, though,

that we did have Harvey, but it's also going

to be very tragic on every time he tries to do

good. No matter what, he's just going to become.

Two -face regardless. It's just gonna awaken

eventually and we'll see how that sleeping giant

comes But I think yeah, I think the thing of

it is is though is that the problem with Harvey

Dent slash two -face is You can go Pun intended

one of two ways with him. You can go the hokey

I'm gonna rob the second bank on the second day

of the second month at 222 p .m. or whatever

you can go you can go all the two ways you can

go that way and be hokey with it or you can go

the tragic way and be really serious and see

the venom that he has because of his you know

we see it in this we actually see it in this

I don't we see it in this because everyone keeps

correcting him We are everyone keeps asking him

we us. I mean me myself, you know what I mean?

Like so you I love this version. I I'm right

there with you. I see Aaron Eckhart in this as

far as the two -face version. I don't really

see Richard The scar because the way of the way

says jix art is it's very I don't want to say

realistic, but it's more real world than cartoon

kind of thing. I think the most, even though

it's very violent, the most cartoonic shot in

this entire book, and it doesn't even look like

a cartoon, is when she's in her dream sequence.

Don't you touch my pudding. Like when we finally

see that part of Harley in her dream sequence,

because it's Harleen dreaming about who she's

going to become. That's the most animated series

I feel on this book. But with Harvey, it feels

like it's the real deal. It's the Dark Knight.

It's, you know, either, you know, live long enough

to see yourself become the villain or you die

a hero. And Harvey's a villain now. Actually,

let me interject real quick. The most thing that

I saw in this Harvey Den, which I actually adore,

was a lot of Jeff Loeb from the long Halloween.

Yeah. And I saw the humanization of the character.

I saw him dealing with his inner struggles, his

inner, his own inner demons. And then I saw what

that accident did and it made him snap. And not

accidentally, no, I'm sorry. Yeah. You know,

I he tried to like get just pick himself back

up after it and just carry on with what he was

doing. But it's Too many scars ran too deep,

so. Yep. Absolutely. How did you guys feel about

the art? Start with Ed, then go to Kendra, then

Jeremy. The art, I loved it. I mean, I was riveted

throughout the book. I mean, Kendra and I both

are, you know, friends with Steven on Stefan

or how do you pronounce his name? But. we're

friends with him on Facebook and we have the

privilege of seeing his art whenever he posts

it and Just Jesus Christ is it's amazing. I mean

this it you know, it didn't feel like This was

somebody new to the Batman universe for lack

of a better term it felt like he knew what he

was doing if you knew where the shadows needed

to be and Just it was perfect No, I mean I did,

I got lucky enough to do the reviews for this

for Dark Knight News and for most of my reviews

that I get asked to do, I go in blind and this

was one that I could not go in blind because

I'd seen him posting the artwork for months ahead

of release and how he would do, you know, just

snippets of teaser art and conception sketches

and Not only do I agree 100 % that he had a very

clear vision for how he wanted not only Harley

to look, but for the rest of the cast. I mean,

he set himself up to if DC were to be like, hey,

you know, I would like to do a Poison Ivy or

a Gotham City Sirens, or I want to do this type

of thing, that he made sure that there were hints

dropped in there that he would be able to do

that. And I know he's working on his own stuff

right now, so he's not looking into anything

DC, but I still have my fingers crossed that

we might get a crossover with Ivy and Swamp Thing.

I'm absolutely hands down 100 % for that. But

I mean, the artwork in this is it's beautiful.

Anything that you see here is absolutely gorgeous.

I mean, like I said, he clearly had ideas and

visions for each one of these characters. And

it's almost like looking at the same type of

artwork that Alex Ross. portrays. He always has

a clear vision because he has people in his mind

when he thinks of specific characters and that's

who he builds upon. And it's the same type of

thing that you see with Cedric's work. I absolutely

adore it. So the artwork hands down was phenomenal

and I could have gone on for another 500 pages.

Jeremy? There is a left letter to Alex Ross,

hands down. And this is a man, as I said, that

worked on Witchblade. And he did a lot more than

just make a half -naked woman run around in a

metal bikini. I feel, and I've always said this,

can you take a cartoon character and make them

less cartoony and more human? And that always

seems to be a challenge. And somehow this man

not only did it, he made them look less like...

Warner Brothers cartoon, and I'm not taking away

anything that happened with the animated series

right right I'm not taking anything away from

that or even in the comics I understand it's

very hard to take these characters and make them

look human But there is a reason why? Experimental

not just to make harleen Look, you know more

shapely or anything, but it's just the facial

expressions that I see when she's exasperated

or harried or contemplating on whether or not

she is trying to do the right thing on really

believing that she can get through to Zazz and

Jervis Tetch and Leland Jones and Pamela Isley,

better known as Croc, Mr. Zazz, Mad Hatter and,

you know, Poison Ivy. But I also love at the

end of book one, that we see Joker holding Harleen

in her arms and her eyes are closed and she has

that smile. And it almost feels like I saw the

Alex Ross version of Joker holding Harleen Quinzel

in his arms when she had her Harley Quinn outfit

on. So the man definitely knows how to draw cartoon

characters, comic book characters, human. And

he does it very well, but not only with the characters,

it's also interesting how he's making several

inanimate objects come to life. Harvey's coin,

or even Joker's teeth in Harleen's nightmares

when she wakes up and there's this giant, you

know, vampiric smile next to her, or the hands

trying to come and grab her and throw her into

the dream world, or even when... harleen and

harvey are walking away from each other when

they're out in the park and we see what harvey

will become as two -faced and harley clinton

will become as harley it all works out very well

and even when joker's in the rubber room and

we see the tiles and we see you know i guess

the fading of of the rubber room just just a

different of whites and grays the guy definitely

knows his work he's been doing this for 40 somewhat

years and not only does he have my attention

he's got my interest and i would have loved to

see him do more with DC yeah yeah his shadow

work in this with uh harleen and joker is amazing

like every time you see her and before she ends

up you know, actually in the cell. Every time

you see her in front of his, in front of the

glass, it's like, Oh, if you'd like the glass,

their shadows are going to tell you something

in the image. The thing with, you know, like

you said about two face and, and, and Harley

showing who they're going to become. And then

the little touches like, you know, I just can

never get behind Killer Croc. There is not a

story out there, not even this one. Yes, there

is. There is, I swear. If you have a chance to

get it through your local library, there are

these compilation of books called Arkham Stories,

I think they're called. You got to search for

it. But there is a compilation of Killer Croc

stories, and there is one called Requiem of a

Killer, and it was back in the 80s when he was

created. And for those of you who don't know,

born with a skin condition and was teased and

eventually decided to file down his teeth and

become a professional wrestler and a sideshow

freak and then decided to become a Gotham inmate.

And then over the years, they made him a mutant.

But in Reckon from Killer, he's abused by his

grandmother. He hides in the sewers. He comes

across a... I heard of homeless people because

in the 80s that's what they did when they lost

everything they would they would end up in the

sewers in New York, California and Waylon Jones

aka killer croc does decide to take them under

swing and he actually is a very good leader and

he actually does a lot more for them and he actually

cares for them and vice versa because they don't

think of him as a freak and so he is actually

has the intentions of But things, sadly, I don't

turn south, and I don't want to give it away.

If you're really interested in the story, it's

very bittersweet. But yeah, and there's another

novel I got to look for where we see an origin

of Kroc in a sideshow, and he's trying to protect

this little blind girl that's part of the act.

And unfortunately, when the freak show was sold...

to another uh carnival barker who abuses all

the sideshow freaks and there's a mob and a riot

the little blind girl dies and killer crocs arms

and that's when he decides to become a villain

and so if you have the right script and you know

what i mean um uh oh god the director of dark

knight the nolan i'm sorry no one is considering

putting croc in either Dark Knight or Dark Knight

Rises, and tiny Tim Leester who had that small

cameo on the ferry about giving me the bob and

he throws it out. I thought that was going to

be Croc. So I know that the animated series made

him out to be this big dumb guy goes like I throw

a rock at him and everybody hates that version.

If you go back to the comics we created in the

80s and you go to New 52, Yeah, there are some

better stories where he can be taken seriously.

They just didn't know what to do with him, sadly,

in the anime series or Suicide Squad. But I can

assure you, Brighton Ryder can do it. Right.

But my point here is that he doesn't really...

And honestly, I personally think that that was...

I threw a rock at him. I think that was by the

time that Batman had already dispatched him and

it was Batman. It was not... It was not Killer

Croc in the cartoon. It almost got him. That

was not Killer Croc. That was Batman as Killer

Croc. My point here is, though, I want to see

other characters from this in future stuff that

Stefan does, because how he portrays Ivy, like

her living being, the fact that Harley brings

her soil. Yeah, it was Harley, wasn't it? Yeah.

Yeah. You know, so she can do her her plant thing.

Like, I want to see a Harley and Ivy version

from this guy, because what he did here with

her and Joker was just amazing. And again, the

art, it's the little touches like when Harley

asks Commissioner Gordon, so is there some kind

of protocol to meeting him? He's the Batman,

not the fucking Queen of England. That and the

Tim buddy can cuss in this oh What it just feels

realer that way that makes oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely

the And the other little nod that I noticed and

there there are plenty of nods and homages in

this but I'm like, wait a minute those coffee

cups. Hey, I know those guys Tim and Dini on

the on the coffee cups. Oh, yeah Yeah, that was

really cool. I love this art. I love the coloring.

I love all, like I said before, the shadows.

Even though this is not a Batman story, I wish

I'd seen a little bit more of the Batmobile,

but other than that, you know, it's fine. What

I also loved in the art was... Oh my lord. The

what? The plane, though. Oh my god. Yeah, that

was a little nuts. I was like, dude, it's a fucking

Decepticon. That's right. Or even the close up

of Two -Face like after the acid has started

him, because I've seen so many versions. I mean,

again, I'll go back to the very first version

was in 89 when they had a compilation of Batman

stories and they threw the fat of acid and then

unfortunately Batman forever because I guess

you just need paper to cover one side of not

getting acid throughout your kids. Remember that.

But here when they throw acid at Harvey it almost

looks like he's gonna werewolf out and you see

like what you know the side of his face being

melted away and then him holding up his arm and

just seeing like the acid going through the the

rest of his body and I've never seen that before

in comics I've always seen it just like they

throw it at his face and I guess because of censorship

and again They have to think about the kids,

won't somebody think of the children. But since

it's a DC Black label, they go all out and show

how horrific it is to be burned alive by acid,

not just his face, but his entire left side of

his body, burning in agony. And I actually felt

it this time more than I've ever felt it before

when acid was thrown at him in the long Halloween

or even in uh forever or what they did with him

in you know dark night even the telltale game

they kind of change it around where he actually

gets attacked during a press campaign and penguin

takes half of him and throws it into one of the

stage lights and his face gets burned because

of that so but but you don't really see much

i mean this is the first time i'm actually seeing

writhing in pain Yeah. So kudos to again, Steven

for the artwork and going all out. I've read

a lot of comics in the seven years that this

shows this podcast has been going on. I don't

think I've, and I could be wrong. I probably

am most likely. I don't think I've ever seen

a comic do the first person point of view. In

the beginning of book two, you see it through,

again, she's dreaming. You see it through Harley's

eyes. and she's got her slapstick bat and I'm

this is right before she does the don't touch

my pudding line and I'm like that is so cool

like not necessarily a first person shooter but

a first person pov that is what I again just

one it's the little things in this art that make

it so good wouldn't you say Kendra yeah I do

I agree 100 % that it's a little thing I like

that we get all of the nuances in this book that

not only harken to different points of time in

the Harley Joker, Gotham City, Batman, everything

spectrum I like that you get those and you get

to see where where they come from basically in

this canon because this isn't like any of the

other canon that you see specifically for Harley

you always get, you know, the toxic relationship

and you get you know, the after effects. But

this is the first one where you actually get

to see it not only put into depth, but with an

explanation given with the little thing that

you get to pick up on. And it just makes it so

much more enjoyable for a reader. Absolutely.

OK, what was each of your favorite scenes? You

go first, Ed. Houston. We have a problem. Favorite

scene? Well, there were two. There were quite

a few more than two, but... My laugh out loud

moment was at the end when Bruce is sitting there

reading the file and the video and then kissing

in the background and Alfred's staying there

and he's explaining everything about the Joker's

renovations surrounding Harley to Alfred. I'm

like, bitch, I figured this out an issue and

a half ago. I saw this in a panel where he looked

at this fucking file about Arlene Quinzel. Thank

you, Batman, for catching up late. But, uh, the

fucking ivy page, when she breaks out, Jesus

Christ, it was amazing. I mean, the depth and

details that you see that he put into our work

here, it was just... It was nuts, and as an artist

myself, I was just like, damn, I'm not classed

in every single way. Fuck, all right. But, I

mean, it's everything. The scene where he's holding

a gun at her, and it's got the little panels

in there of her life flashing before her eyes.

I mean, I'll stop that, but we'll go to Kendra

next, and I'll shut up now. I mean of every book

that I've had the chance to review or even just

read and enjoy without having to worry about

what I needed to say about it. I mean this one

is one that has very, a lot, a lot of different

moments that are good. If I had to pick a favorite,

my favorite would probably be where, you know,

Dang, it's harder than I thought. I was gonna

go with Alfred saying to Batman how they both

look like they're crazy and like they're both

there in that moment and he doesn't describe

it as love, it's just that they're crazy about

each other. And that's probably one of the best

ways I've seen it put. So I think I am gonna

go with that one because Alfred stole the show

for me. That's my favorite moment of it. Jeremy?

Yes, I admit it. I am Batman. I think it has

to go back to when Harleen always believes that

she has the upper hand, that she knows how to

get through to Joker. And we've always seen versions

like two minutes later, it's she's now on the

couch and he's just taking notes and he's the

psychiatrist and she's the patient. There is

a great moment where She feels that she's gonna

get into his head and she's wearing this black

mini dress and this red top and all of a sudden

we see a transition where she looks like little

red riding hood and he transitions into the big

bad wolf and then he's asking her questions like

how many times do you come and watch me sleep

in my cell and study me and then all of a sudden

we see this transition where he's a psychiatrist

and and now she's dressed as an inmate and she

has a straight jacket and she's chained to the

chair. And I feel that every time she thinks

that she knows him or she's gonna figure him

out, no, he knew from day one how to play her

like a two -bit piccolo. And then when she finally

decides, because it's also a tie, when she finally

decides that she's going to give it and she thinks

that, you know, it's love, There are two X -rated

Batman movies, and this is like one of them in

a moment where she's going to undress in front

of him. She's like, take off your pants, doctor's

orders. And I kind of hear like the porn music

in the background. But I've always, like I said,

it doesn't answer my question. What kind of relationship

do they really have? Because in her mind, down

the road, she's in love with him, he never shows

it. And this has never really been brought up

before because he's always theatrical. I thought

he is into something totally different. But apparently

they do mate or whatever it is, or at least in

her mind, that's what they're doing. But again,

it just shows that no matter what she does, he's

playing her. Again, it's that debate. Does he

love her? Does he not? Did he finally fall in

love with her? Does he really need her? I don't

think any of that really matters. That's the

joke. But out of all the ways that he's finally

gotten to her, I think this is possibly the most

adult version of what they're like when he is

playing her and she's trying to get through to

him and He just, he's definitely a DC version

of Hannibal Lecter. He's always been compared

to Lecter. Well, he's been compared to Lecter

since Silence of the Lambs came out, but now

this has finally personified it that this is

Hannibal Lecter and this is Clarice and what

would happen if things went a little more south

in a way. And yeah, I think that this, because

that Hannibal movie and book definitely didn't

work, but this one does. I think for me, there

are so many, and I love all the homages, like,

you know, we said before, Bob, you're my number

one guy now. Like, and Bob, remember, you are

my number one guy. Yes, sir. You can't not hear

Jack in there. Um, but for me, it probably like,

it's not often that I see Joker making bat puns,

but the scene in the very beginning, Hey, bat,

you got us blinded. Well, how's this for echo

location? Make some noise boys. I just absolutely

love that because this is not. And we, I should

have said this at the beginning. This is a younger

version. This is not exactly the old clown. Not

that he's super old, but this is, I read somewhere

that this is supposed to, he's supposed to be

younger in this than what we normally see him

as. And everything that goes through with this

book, the only other one that I'll mention is

that, you know, when we get to, when Harley's

like, so how do we get all the Batman? Cause

I need to ask him a question. And what I love

and what Stefan did was that, you know, in her

asking Batman the question that she asks him,

she says before she asks it, I need a reason.

And in her mind, she says to go on. That, to

me, was really powerful. Totally agree. Yeah.

But I do have to ask one other thing, because

there was also artwork, if you get the terminology,

for me from the library there seems to be artwork

towards the end of the book where there's a 3d

set of cards where they're popping out of the

cards that joker's popping out of the joke card

holding harley in the queen card and right behind

them is pamela isley with the ace of spades queen

card and she's not happy like she's ready to

strangle joker i don't again I'll never really

know what Pamela Isley and Harley's relationship

really is, whether it's done on Lee's or not.

I guess people would like it to be a bisexual

relationship, but I like to think that they're

friends. If you want to think that they're girlfriends,

I guess that's just, you know, for that fantasy.

But Harley doesn't really have many friends when

she was Harley because Well, nobody really wanted

to take her seriously. They thought that she

just wanted to sleep away to the top. Ivy relates

to her because they're both outcasts, and I think

that's why they have the best chemistry. So I

do like the fact that Ivy is always out there

to protect Harley, especially in this version

where she saves Harley from Croc. But I am just

kind of curious, though, and again, Kendra, ladies

first, what are your thoughts on this Harley

-Ivy relationship in this story? For Harleen

specifically, I think that the relationship between

Harley and Ivy hasn't even really begun yet.

I mean, at this point, we're still in baby steps.

She's obviously earned enough respect from Ivy,

but that's to be seen from Harley doing her job.

and having compassion. She listened to what Ivy

has called her out on several times, from writing

on dead trees to giving her sunlight. I mean,

for right here and now for this specific world

where it is, I don't believe that there is anything

more than a relationship of mutual respect. Maybe

a budding friendship, maybe. But at this point

in the game, they're just at the beginning of

it. And I think that her stopping Wayland was

that sign of mutual respect. She's like, you

were able to treat me as a person and not a monster,

and you were able to understand where I was coming

from, let me do the same respect to you. So I

don't think that any of the outside interference

came into their relationship for me, whether

that's what we've seen in the Harley animated

series, what we've been seeing in the comic book

since then. This one specifically because it

is meant to be a beginning for many many characters

That relationship between them for me was nothing

more than mutual respect yeah, I agree and this

is what I was trying to say earlier was that

if Stefan comes back to this, you know this universe

he started The next series I want to see him

do is a harleen and ivy series because I think

that would be so so cool And interesting to see

how that relationship would progress whatever

way it progresses All right, so do we have anything

else we want to say before we get the heck out

of here I I will say one final thing though.

I Zazz has not discussed much comics and the

movies and whatnot because he's a serial killer

that puts a notch on his skin and I have to say

that I was surprised I even put him in this but

he's also he likes to kill young women I was

kind of hoping that they would have been fleshed

out a little more from the stock Harley because

he kind of stalks a psychiatrist in the Arkham

Asylum game so I don't know why they put him

in here and I kind of feel like it was pointless

just to keep using a character that unfortunately

you can never really use but I would like to

see a little bit more if you have it for Croc

and if you have it for even Doctor Strange because

he was the first Batman villain I'd really like

to see what they do with him like is he in baby

steps or will he become you know Batman's greatest

foe as well so again because I'm never quite

sure what they're doing with this series but

it's definitely going to be an interesting one

If you want to read or know more about Zazz and

basically the animal that he is, I highly recommend

reading the pre -Nightfall stuff by Alan Grant

and Lauren Breyfogle. They actually did a three

or four issue run on just him and he captured

a group of busload of girls or something like

that and Batman had to save them. You really

dive into the character a bit and you see that

he's all about blood and killing and maiming

people. And when he's walking around not doing

those things, that's the only thing he sees.

Like he sees you mutilated at his feet when you

walk past him on the street. So he's literally

the worst case scenario that she could have started

with. I think they just threw him in here because

he's a Batman character like there really wasn't

like there was no outcome with Zazz I don't know

I could be wrong. No, they just I mean I don't

even know why Penguin is in here because he's

not insane He usually is in Blackgate, but sometimes

they put him in Arkham I guess maybe this is

too full or they think he's always gonna escape.

He's a Batman foe but Past all of it, yeah. I

guess you really got to know when to choose and

pick which villain you're going to put in here

because it was just one too many. I think it's

just one of those things where like that image

I mentioned earlier where she's talking about

how the villains want to tell you who they are

now, not how they got bent. That image shows

her with the Joker, the Penguin, Killer Croc,

Freeze, Riddler. It shows her with all the classic

villains that we all know and I think it's I

think that's just showing like Someone who may

be a not us someone who is just a mainstream

person who may have only seen Batman returns

heaven help you because it's the worst of those

four films in my personal opinion You know Maybe

they only know him from that kind of thing or

maybe they only know him from 66 or whatever

but seeing him here Think that was just a nod

it was not and I don't like whereas Ivy because

obviously Ivy and Harley have history that's

more of a Seed to set up the future thing if

it ever happens All right, so I think we're gonna

get the heck out of here before we do Jeremy

where can the people catch you online sir? Well

for now Facebook I've got three group pages I've

got Podcasts cafe where if you have a podcast

like talking about podcasts, you can find me

on there I'm helping support anybody that's putting

together a podcast Hunter Queen where I'm just

again the my podcast it's just not I ate us until

January until I'm done with the nursing program

and then Honey cow casts again for anyone who

has been reviewing or writing for comics or anything

that comes to mind My close personal friends.

I put them on there so they could promote their

stuff Twitter I'm not doing it so much anymore

because I know that if you see you're doing anything

on Twitter It can destroy your career in your

life. So just with it, you know James Gunn and

whatnot but I'm not on ambient or anything, you

know, but I will say this. I am trying to, I

got rid of it. I am slowly bringing it back.

I'm going to use it under the Hunnic Outcast

name. Just give me some time. And again, usually

I podcast with Kendra and Edward every now and

then we get together and we do a Hunnic Queen

episode every six years. Have you known them

for more than six years at this point? Yeah.

I've known them since 2015 in all honesty. I

mean, it was, it was coincidence when I put together

my Facebook page and I was promoting my podcast

at the time she liked it. And I said, you know,

I love your, your artwork. I love your, your

kind of interview you. And then Ed came along

and we've been friends ever since. So, yeah,

we've known each other for that long. It's just

the way you worded that every six years. I'm

like, No, we we well, you know, we unfortunately

we get busy and it sucks, but we still everybody

gets busy But what but we say I mean even with

you I've known you since like 2013 2014 but all

right stay together through social media We occasionally

when we get together we can party all night long

on podcasting But yeah, I mean when we do get

together and when we will again and even with

you Mike I have a suggestion, but we'll talk

about it later okay yeah see that's the thing

like i'm i'm old hat i sadly and sadly i'm getting

too old for this stuff what about you guys where

can the people find the hails online i guess

i'll go first uh facebook obviously and ever

hail uh instagram the sith rules um YouTube under

thesis rule or thesis rules ed and on twitch

as well now trying to stream some video games

so Pretty much all my I mean I got a Twitter

too, but whatever I don't use it I Go on there

to like post that Kendra had put up. That's it

My list is forever, I mean Honestly, it's almost

easier just to Google me at this point and figure

out which one you really want to go to, because

I'm heavy into the podcast world. Like Jeremy

said, occasionally we get together. I'm a part

of DC Comics News podcast, as well as Dark Knight

News. I do opinion pieces and reviews for Dark

Knight News and for DC Comics News. as well as

fantastic universes. I do articles as well as

being COO of Gothic Fight Magazine. I mean, Twitter

is probably going to be your easiest way to get

a hold of me. That is at devour all word, which

is basically what I do. So if you're feeling

froggy message. She's the superstar out of all

of us, folks. No. Yes, don't lie, you know you

are You know, it's a sad thing folks when In

preparing for this podcast and preparing for

the recording and reading the comic I've had

at least three different songs I have you know

referenced Basically about what we were gonna

record today and sadly because the recording

industry is being a bunch of dicks. You're not,

you basically get in trouble if you use music

in podcasts now. Really? Yeah. Steve Megatron,

who is the co -creator of the Ecast Radio Network

with me. He's in this. Yes, yes. I know. No,

I know. They'll walk your socks off. Just saying.

It's just one of those things where I'm like,

Ooh, I want to put just a half of a second of

each of these songs in this podcast, but sadly

I can't. Luckily it's only for music. It's only

the recording industry that has a bug up its

ass. I can still put, you know, Joker lines or

Harley lines or whatever. So coming up next here

inside the pull bag. I had no idea. Yeah. I'll

have to see if I can get the link to send to

you off air that Steve sent me or something.

Coming up next here inside the pull bag is episode

386, where Steve Megatron joins me for the new

IDW Transformers continuity, as we're going to

be covering volume one of the Transformers series,

The World in Your Eyes. So that's coming up.

And then, folks, Be prepared to eat a lot of

pizza and hold the anchovies because between

December and January It's all turtles all the

time here inside the pull bag. We've got At least

probably seven episodes of IDW Turtles comics

coming up between now and January of 2021. Oh

Do you have the urban legend series where? Raphael

is eaten to death by rats and stays dead I don't

think so. I have that one. Of course you do.

You have a lot of weird stuff. You know that,

right? I know. That's from the Honda Calcast.

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I guess I'll go first on a gal cast What the

hell was that? As always, make your great escape

into comics and we will catch you next time here

inside the pull bag. Quinn. Oh, you're awake

finally. The Joker. Where? It's just me, B -Man.

No joker, no gas bombs, no city in peril. Just

you, that tank, and me. Why? To show Mr. J I

could really pull off one of his plans. See,

he could never get these fishies to smile. But

then I had the bright idea of hanging the victim.

That's you, upside down. That way, to you, it'll

look like they're smiling. Clever? Brilliant.

Yeah, I can tell you're less than thrilled. You

know, for what it's worth, I actually enjoyed

some of our rumps. But there comes a time when

a gal wants more. And now all this gal wants

is to settle down with her lovin' sweetheart.

You and the Joker? Ryder Rooney! I've never seen

you laugh before. I don't think I like it. Cut

it out! You're giving me the creeps! You little

fool. The Joker doesn't love anything except

himself. Wake up, Harleen. He had you pegged

for hired help the minute you walked into Arkham.

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