IDW 20 and 20 Anniversary One-Shots Review

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by the end of the year It can't be called the

daily show though. Well no shit of course it

can't be called the damn daily show uh... but

i'm bummed of course as you can tell steve megatron

is here with me uh... and we're going to be talking

about idw's twenty twenty uh... basically what

this is is idw publishing the comic book publisher

uh... does turtles and transformers and gi joe

and my little pony and gem and back to the future

and all these other things that they do this

is their 20th anniversary year so they put out

five specific issues and you will hear me say

this throughout this entire episode folks I am

so sorry I repeat myself a lot in general but

with this because we recorded every single segment

of this out of order I've had to repeat myself

so forgive me now so they released five one -shot

supposedly one -shot story comics Star Trek Jim

and the Holograms, Ghostbusters, My Little Pony,

and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Some are one

-shots, others feel like they're connected to

stuff that you should have already read, and

I was like, that's a little strange, but whatever.

This is the first time we're covering a Star

Trek comic on this series, or on this series,

fuck, on this podcast. We will be covering more

Star Trek stuff in the future. I don't know if

Steve will be joining us for that or not, but

I have plans for other Star Trek comics from

IDW in the future. I like Star Trek. You like

Star Trek. IDW 2020 Star Trek issue is written

by Peter David with art by J .K. Woodward. The

letters are done by Gilberto Lazzacano and the...

edits are done by Denton, Timpton, and Chase

Marauds. Basically, 20 years before he took command

of the USS Enterprise D, Jean -Luc Picard sat

in the captain's chair of the USS Stargazer on

his way to become a well -respected Starfleet

captain. But in this early mission, in his captain's

career, He has yet to earn that respect and we

learn that his path to becoming the captain We

know wasn't always an easy one What I love about

the IDW Star Trek stuff is that It It's very

photorealistic. Oh, yeah, it looks very similar

to their likenesses. Yeah very similar to the

likenesses but it the style of the art no matter

who's doing it doesn't matter if it's uh... jk

woodward or any of the other artists that i've

seen do star trek is not like any it's super

photo realistic it's almost like pictures it's

almost like really i'm not saying other artists

don't do this but this style this specific way

that this is it Good. And the version of Garry

Watson. Mm -hmm. Yeah. Captain is gold Red shirts

or red shirts kind of thing like I thought that

was cool. I love the look of the stargazer Yeah,

the stargazer is a pretty interesting ship it's

a constellation class starship which with four

nacelles and they're Very the ship is almost

very 23rd century esque from the refit era during

the way, you know It's like the very early 24th

century late 23rd century style design that they're

still floating around at that point in our first

Exposure to it was in season 1 of TNG when they

explained how Picard lost the stargazer in the

first place and That it wasn't actually destroyed

but merely lost in a drift in space Although

the only thing they had wrong in that particular

episode was the uniforms that were worn when

they were showing flashbacks or like the the

kind of Design anyway when they were when they

were kind of trying to show what the card was

imagining in his mind of the battle and everything

the uniforms were still TNG season 1 they weren't

the 23rd century Late 23rd century outfits that

they wore through the early 24th century minus

the the undershirt Very cool, very cool This

issue mainly to me is at the core of it. Yes,

it is an early showing of Picard as a captain

Obviously of a different starship than the Enterprise

D but at the core of this it's basically how

Dr. Crusher got her name It's really the takeaway

that I took from this. Well, it was but You know,

she was going to marry him anyway. And the thing

is, is this kind of shows that Picard was young

and brash as becoming that first time captain.

And he basically was doing his, you know, due

diligence of, you know, almost cowboy diplomacy

with like akin to Kirk. But it didn't work out

for him because, again, he's a different type

of character. And the same thing in the episode

Tapestry with where Q takes Picard back a time

after his artificial heart started failing on

him. Again, they had the original series movie

uniforms, the Wrath of Khan uniform thing that

he was wearing in that. He was very young and

brash and was quick to jump into a fight, quick

to do everything. you know, between his fight

with the Nausicaans and that, where he got stabbed

in the heart, which kind of mellowed him out

a little bit before he became captain. And then

adding to the fact that, you know, he's got this

command now, you know, he kind of has to look

and act the part, even though the tendency is

still in him, very much so. Yeah, so it definitely

gets that. And then seeing Crusher, you know,

basically hated by Picard for even being on his

ship. You know, he reconciles later, which kind

of adds to the animosity you see between the

two of them at the beginning of season one and

throughout most of season one of TNG before she

comes back in season three. There's a lot of

animosity between the two of them. This comic

was interesting because it has It feels to me

like just a... I don't want to say a generic

TNG episode, but it feels to me like just a one

adventure kind of thing. It's like, yes, it is

Beverly Howard, aka the future Dr. Beverly Crusher,

coming aboard with her fiancé and whatever, and

Picard, as you said, basically telling her, you

are not a crew member here. You are here, but...

You know, I don't want you here. Kind of a thing.

And, you know, we have... What are these villains

supposed to... I never really got what the villain

in this comic was supposed to be. What race is

that? It was just... I don't even know. I've

never really encountered that or remembered it

from anything, but... Um, even if not, it's basically

a planet with civil unrest between, you know,

these two brothers or two family members that

are leading two different sides, which that's

a typical trope in any fiction. You know, it's

always, you know, one has different political

opposition. One's like very tyrant is, you know,

and the other one's kind of like a pacifist,

you know, for the most part. And so it's kind

of a nice, you know, it's just a general throw

in there just as a conflict to show that, you

know, Picard was in this. moment where he's You

know in need of Desperate help and the person

who he's wronged is the one that's you know doing

it against all odds Yeah, and I love obviously

the call back to You know when he you know makes

the call to the ship like Send somebody just

make sure they're not a crew member kind of like

how like That's not like I'm the least subtlest

per I am basically a blunt object in most of

the things I do most of the time Subtlety is

not my strong suit at all I know this because

I'd rather say what's on my mind and fuck everybody

else for the most part Not all the time, but

yeah for the most part, you know But it just

didn't seem like it was too too subtle until

it dawned on who you know that he was referring

that they send and obviously Beverly goes down

there and and they end up, you know relieving

the conflict and and all that and they get back

to the ship and he's like Howard Howard it just

doesn't sound right it just it sounds better

if it was Beverly Crusher and The final page

of the book is the two of them getting married

Yeah him doing his captain duty and marrying

them The the great thing about that was is that

while she was down there and she was helping

him and got got him well enough You know and

they they wanted her to you know strip to show

the the whole you know oh well you could be smuggling

something and she's like not gonna happen you

know because she's like the most like no not

gonna do it you know you don't let me do what

i'm gonna do or you can forget it and um and

and she smuggled in an extra communicator and

um you know it was funny because picard launched

it at their leader and you know beamed him onto

their ship you know Like, oh, I could just send

him into space. I could, you know, it doesn't

really matter. You know, it kind of pulled the

upper hand. And because that was a very Picard

moment because he does a lot of that throughout

the show, too, of, you know, you know, there's

there's an instance where he's dealing with an

alien race or, you know, and they they need like

he's always quick to one up them because he kind

of knows the stakes and he knows what's going

on before. Really they do or he's able out with

them and even did it with Q on numerous occasions

and other alien races But it was really cool

seeing that and then the fact that you know I

think he was referring to the fact that you know

she kind of crushed it out there And he's like

well. She should be crusher You know because

it just makes sense Plus you know it kind of

alludes to the rest of the history of TNG, but

it's a time period I wouldn't mind seeing more

of in the comic universe Or just just to see

that era of Picard before he became the famous

captain in the Enterprise D &E. Hopefully we'll

see that in the new CBS series Star Trek Picard.

I don't think we will. I think that's going to

be very much of what happened since Nemesis.

You're going to see a lot of callbacks because

that's kind of showing his journey. And I'm not

saying they won't have something that touches

on way back then. he's become very like according

to the images and what they're saying is he's

become a recluse very jaded towards Starfleet

he's he's resigned his commission he was an admiral

never made it to ambassador like he did in most

of the other scenarios where they show a future

or something um right and he's just turned his

back on all of it gone to work on the farm and

in france and and it's kind of um Some event

happens and they're they're alluding to some

of it could could have been the destruction of

Romulus some of it could have been Which would

have happened after nemesis anyway, like a few

years after Which means it ties into the Abrams

universe in a sense when when Spock, you know

went to the past and you know because all the

red matter thing and Nero and so I mean it could

could could be that element because he had a

lot of Strong ties with Romulus And so that could

have been part of, you know, why, why he's that's

what they're alluding to anyway. It's hard to

say really either way he's jaded. He's a different

version of himself that he's got to find a way

back into it. And there's already been rumors

that data or, you know, Brent Spiner will be

coming back as data who was before Nemesis and

they, you know, resurrect his mind. I think it's

going to tie perfectly into the Star Trek online

timeline. So either way, it's. Because there's

that whole 20 years that's missing in the game,

too so it would make sense for this to take a

take a occurrence during this time period Yeah,

yeah, and of course obviously mr.. Stewart is

Getting up there. It's you know so it's not like

Yeah, I just figured they might show something

of the early days. And they might. They might

allude to it. But I think that most of it's going

to focus on during the post -Nemesis era. And

they're going to have some of the TNG cast come

back when it's relevant. But for the most part,

I think it's going to be pretty much this one

-man show with a bunch of new cast. But either

way, this comic was great to see the inside look

at Picard's... persona in his early days. Yeah,

it was interesting. It was fun. As a, you know,

you're the diehard Trekkie, I'm more the casual

Trekkie kind of thing. I, as a casual Trekkie,

I really enjoyed it. I think it's really super

fun. I'll mention this later in this podcast,

as well as at the very end of the podcast coming

up later in September, actually no, October of

this year. We're going to be doing, whether it's

you and I, whether it's Ryan and I, I don't know.

It all depends on who has time. Star Trek versus

Green Lantern volumes 1 and 2. Another IDW thing

where they did crossover between Star Trek and

Green Lantern. So this is IDW and DC. And then

Mirror Broken, which was the TNG Mirror Universe

thing. And then episode 375 will be Star Trek

versus Transformers. The animated series goes

head to head against each other. I still have

to read that one. That's one that's, it interests

me because again, it's the two franchises that

I grew up with. So it's going to be very interesting

to dig into those. The Mirror Universe and the

TNG is very interesting. I mean, I've read those,

but it's very interesting just because we never

got to see that time period. Other than in the

Captain error in the William Shatner Star Trek

book City Road. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's gonna

be very, very cool, very interesting. A lot of

cool stuff coming up here inside the pull bag.

What would you rate this zero to five if you

were gonna give it a rating for the story and

all that? Honestly, I'd probably give it a...

I'm gonna cheat and give it a 4 .5 out of five,

just because, one, I gotta be a rebel that way,

but two, I really enjoyed the story and even

though the villains were thrown away, which is

the only .5 that's... Being cut away the rest

of it was pretty solid. Yeah Yeah, I'm also gonna

give it a four and a half out of five so four

point five I really did dig it. I thought it

was really cool Does it necessarily mean that

the pull bag is gonna go full on on some of the

other IDW? Ongoings for Star Trek no probably

not right away, but this is our you know Dipping

this is us dipping our toe into the Star Trek

universe at IDW. So who knows what's gonna happen?

Like I said, we've got two Star Trek Green Lantern

volumes We've got Star Trek versus Transformers

and then the mirror broken thing to me like I've

never really watched any of that I've never like

I know what it is. It's a mirror universe. It's

an ulcer. It's it's basically like shattered

glass for Transformers That's where they got

the idea. Right, exactly. But TNG never had it.

TOS had one episode of it. Enterprise had a two

-parter. And then DS9 had like five or six episodes

of it, I think. And Voyager had like an Elseworlds

one episode, one off. But it didn't actually

take place in the mirror universe. Right. Well,

that's why I'm interested in it is because of

the whole Oh, per card is evil thing like oh,

I want to see how this turns out. I want to know

what this story is So that's what's going on

there Where do the people find you online sir?

They're gonna hold me on Twitter at scp21 and

they can find me on the podcast altered geek

There you go. I am of course at TF2 and Mike

You'll hear about all that later and everything

else coming up next is the is myself and the

hologram girls or the misfits as Nicole likes

to be called with Amy and Nicole Talking about

IDW 2020 gem in the holograms. We'll be back

after this Showtime synergy. All right continuing

on in the IDW 2020 episode of the pullback This

is episode 360 as we've said we just came out

of a not a galaxy far far away five -year mission

or whatever Star Trek thing for IDW 2020 joining

me is Amy aka lady rec. Hello Hello And Nicole,

Beatles, Diva, Hailstorm, hello! Uh, do I know

you guys? Please, don't, don't even. Don't, don't

even. I will jump right through this computer.

Don't even, okay, I'll... Don't even, I'll do,

I'll audit, then. Oh, don't audit, oh... God.

Hey, you asked me to be on here, it's your fault.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know. So, we are continuing

on, as I said, with the IDW 2020 series. This

time, taking a look at the Jim and the Holograms

issue. They used to be the world's biggest band.

Now, 20 years in the future, things have fallen

apart. Will Jerika be able to bring everyone

back together in time to save their legacy? A

story in this is done by Sina Grace. Art is done

by Siobhan Keenan. Colors by Kathy Lee. Letters

by Sean Lee. No relation. Edits by Megan Brown

and the publisher. IDW's had a lot of things

going on since the last time we did one of these

things, but the publisher now is Chris Rial.

Woohoo! Chris! Very happy for him. Yes, absolutely.

And this is Jim, 20 years in the future. Oh boy,

and it's all about the Misfits. Which made sense

to me. I didn't, I mean, you know, do you want

me to just go ahead and jump into my opinion?

Yeah. Okay, so it made sense to me because previously

they have already kind of built that Pizzaz makes

their own family and so... It makes sense to

me that they'd still be together now like if

I was comparing this to the animated show Oh,

yeah, that one was a mess She would have been

the first one to end So it's kind of cool that

you know, this is kind of together I like I'd

like how they the differences between the actual

show and the comic are Like huge but there are

some differences and I like the fact that after

reading this I was like, hmm Yeah, that makes

sense pizzazz would keep her her group to you

Together and the holograms have pulled apart.

So Yeah, this was a fun read this this was a

fun emotional roller coaster Kind of a mystery

and whatever and we still have Pretty much the

classic looks that Sophie and everybody else

kind of established in the comic already Pazazz

looks a lot different than she did before like

because of the art style here. I'm not saying

it's a bad thing. It's just it's not the Style

of what the original version of the character

was in the comic, but it's not bad. It's actually

really really good And then you know we get to

a point in the comic where Kimber storms in Eric,

what did you do now? Because Eric's always doing

something evil Mm -hmm What did you think? Eric

still looks like it for 20 years. Of course he

does This is the one thing that I don't know

I I don't know why I don't believe this part

I don't think Eric would I don't I don't see

Eric being part of the Misfits still 20 years

later Because either pizzazz would kill him Or

he would just storm off and pull out all his

hair. He'd be in jail. Yeah. He'd be in jail

by now. I don't know why. I would like to see

why they kept Eric on. Because... Oh, go ahead.

Yeah, Eric. Eric is still there. Yeah. Eric,

woohoo. I really liked... I really have to say

I liked Kimber's look. It was really good. Yeah.

I find it... Funny that she's becoming the responsible

one when she was absolutely not that exactly

20 years later Yeah, Kimber's on the business

side of the music now she's not doing the actual

music anymore the basic gist of this story folks

is that Eric wants to Tarnish gem in the holograms

reputation by using actual holograms of other

singers to basically replace them. And basically

cover their songs. Yeah, pretty much. And, you

know, we have the Kimber Stormer relationship

thing still going, I guess, I assume. Well, to

me, they're not together, but they... Remained

friends. So I kid pretty much my guess is Kimber

got into the business and she got business Business

business on the mind and it kind of probably

straight their relationship, but they still remain

friends. That's how I pictured Yeah, sure. Yeah,

they were really like about how they they didn't

really it there was definitely not an animosity

between the two of them She's there to just hang

in a hey, I'm here to support you but there was

Like they're really chill the relationship is

like not over but just kind of chill. It's chill.

They're friends. They're buds. Yeah, and So the

misfits go on stage to to concert and and sing

and all that and they kind of get upstaged by

the fathoms The actual holograms and one of them

walks right through pizzazz and she this is her

her Snapping point. Oh my gosh, I love that panel

so much. Her anger has not cooled in the last

20 years, so yeah, she still gets... Just minus

the little skull faces. Yeah, that's what's missing.

It's the skull faces. Yep. So, we go up to Northern

California and Pizzazz is on her bike and she's

riding up to Jerrica's house and, you know, she's

basically being Pizzazz. Real discreet, Jerrica.

It's tasteful enough, I guess. Of all the loiterers

I've had to shoo away, I never expected you to

be one of them. Enter Rio. Yay. Oh, stop it.

You've already admitted you like Comic Rio. Don't

even start! Comic Rio's good. Comic Rio's tolerable.

Tolerable. He's better than movie Rio, now stop

it. Oh, true. I have to say I like the bike.

Yeah, the bike is awesome. I do too. I actually...

I love Pizzaz's hair with just a little bit of

the pink streaks in it. Yeah, that's funny. That's

cool. Yeah. Well, I love her look. Her biker

look. It's awesome. Yep. So, you know, she's

there to try to talk Jerrica back into this and...

And I love what they do here. Where you know

she's laying on her lounger or whatever and pizzazz

it's been Enough time that you're dying those

roots. Sorry bad habit so we can clearly Clearly

see that pizzazz has changed because she would

have never apologized for that line I Love how

jerk is lounging out, but yet she has her five

-inch stilettos Yeah Fashion is passion, right?

For sure fashion and fame you never know So she's

basically there to convince Jerica to get the

holograms back together and it's too complicated

fight with Kimber and You know, so we get a bit

of history of what what all that was And I gotta

say I love the art after Pizzaz leaves with Jerrica

and Rio. That looks so cool. It's almost right

out of a Harlequin romance novel. It really is.

You know, because she tells Pizzaz that basically

Rio supposedly got rid of all of her gem stuff,

all of her clothes, all this, all that, everything

else. They've put Synergy into storage or something

or other. and then bam you know they have this

moment about you know where she wants her father

to be there and rio's like well maybe he is and

there are the earrings which is kind of funny

because the last place we left off with them

they were not they were like their relationship

was still complicated things hadn't she it was

still you know they broke up because you know

he basically said you're one of you know those

People you're you're one of the business people

and you know, I'm you know, that's not who you

are. That's not what I want It's just that's

that that's not where their relationship was

So things have changed dramatically, especially

since like he was you know didn't like being

manipulated either And so the fact that he kept

the earrings I was like, huh? Okay, then Huh?

All right, if you were what we have the perfect

number two opportunity for these might be useful

one day. Okay. All right All right I dig it.

I think I dig it. And so we get synergy appearing

and we get, you know, the mother -daughter kind

of thing from her and Jerrica. Meanwhile, Pazazz

is about to lipstick a Grammy. Should have been

ours anyway. She hasn't left yet. Yeah, I thought

she had left, but she hasn't left yet. Ah, she's

a snoop. I love it. Yep. And, you know, she basically

says, you know, well, the first show isn't for

another six weeks, so we have some time. And,

uh, we see Jerika trying to get a hold of Kimber

and everything else, and we go over to Hollywood,

and, uh, and... the house of Shayna and BAM there's

Shayna as fabulous as ever yep now is that one

of her daughters that's first introducing talking

to Jerrica I'm guessing that it is because she

says my teen can watch the preteen and yeah store

is all online anyways so yeah My guess is that

it's it's it could be one either One of her girls

or it's you know, specifically her teenager.

I don't know. That's that's good question I was

kind of like, oh, okay. I just assumed that was

doc Her but you know, it could be teen employee

It could be my young adult employee because I'm

sure that she's over the age of 18 or something

like that. Yeah, right They have a real job It'd

have been nice to have a little, you know, Shayna

and Tony throw in here like to see them, you

know, kind of thing. Yeah, that would have been

awesome. Not saying that the comic in itself

isn't awesome already, but that would have been

a nice little bonus. So Jerrica and Shayna go

try to convince Aja. And she kind of holds out,

but they eventually convince her and then they

go see Rhea. So it's basically getting the band

back together. Everybody except Kimber. The problem

child. Yep. Yeah. So they go to her office, or

what I assume is Starlight Music or something,

and don't blame her, but we sent Ida to lunch

early. Who gave you permission to let my... Oh

god. Your sister's been trying to contact you

you've deliberately ignored her, you know, eventually

she's gonna show up It's just how it goes She's

gonna crash your party when you used to crash

her so there you go This is karma for Kimber,

yeah exactly And she's like, I'll talk to Jerrica,

just Jerrica. So what in the hell is that? Like

we saw a little bit earlier how, you know, they

kind of broke up and had a fight and whatever,

but we didn't get all the details. You know,

so she and Jerrica have a conversation and, and,

you know, she's willing to hear them out and

hear the songs and everybody's like, you know,

I was just like, yes, I didn't say I'm back.

Trust me, once you hear us, you'll wish we'd

never split to begin with. So we get to all the

misfits, and all the holograms, and everything

else, and people are giving, you know, each one

is giving their, their, their critique, and out

of everybody, Pzazz is like, you're all idiots,

that was perfect. The douche she recognizes the

industry and she recognizes the talent so she

I'm glad that she's honest and Yeah, and it's

what she asked for. I mean she asked for them

to come back and be amazing So it was exactly

what it just proves to you that she has grown

up Yeah And if anybody's gonna open for a band

they better do a damn good job and you know,

this is what she expects yeah and they're all

asking about you know Shayna says something about

we got the sound but how do we Cut fake us from

the equation and Jerrica and pizzazz are like

the less you know the less you'll be incriminated

Yeah, focus on the music leave the miss let the

misfits handle the mischief And Jetta ends up

handcuffing the the stingers all together I like

how they talked about a mission. I'm like, yeah,

that happened a few times in the TV show. So

it's kind of like a little throwback there. Absolutely.

They locked Eric in the closet. Where he should

stay forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.

Eric should never come out of the closet. Okay

then. And they're going to be doing this. The

one thing I said, or the one thing I didn't say

about this concert, they're going to be doing

this all on their own. They're going to be doing

this without synergy. So they have to get the

costume, she's going to get the wig, and all

that and everything else. You know, and that's

one thing that I like that, to my knowledge,

this is the last gem comic IDW has done. this

is this is it this is there to my knowledge there

haven't been anything new i haven't seen any

announcements or anything like that so for them

to basically forgo like this is 20 years in the

future this is gem this is gem and jerrica at

40 or whatever because they make a they make

a comment about that in the comic about oh who

wants to see gem at 40 or whatever And to tell

that to Mick Jagger or Stevie Nicks or whomever,

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, people flock to

their shows now and they're not as young as they

used to be. But they basically - They still have

it. They still have it. They can still throw

it down and walk it. Yeah, absolutely. But my

point here is that with them not using synergy,

Jerrica is basically over the stage fright. She's

done. She can throw the wig on, she can throw

the pink dress on, go out there and just be Jim

without having to have the hologram. Yep. Because

in the middle of it she even throws the wig off.

Yep. I liked that. I loved that. That was awesome.

I love the fact that she pulls it off and there

you go. That wig looks pretty heavy too. Yeah,

that's a lot of wig right there. And so Pazazz

and Rio are going to check in on Eric and the

ladies because the ladies of the Misfits have

Eric, I guess he's out of the closet now because

he's trying to deal with technology. And I love

Stormer's thing, night classes and programming

totally paid off. Where's your tech rat when

you need him, right? Yeah, really? Tech rat finally

wised up and said, forget you. They should have

brought him back, that would have been awesome.

Yeah, that would have been cool. So basically

we have, you know... They could have used some

new tech of his to hack the whole thing. He's

in an insane asylum. He's actually who the Joker

becomes. He goes insane because of Pizazz. He

runs amok around the world. Thanks. So they have

an amazing show and Jim and Jerika gets asked

all these questions and then the final question,

what's next? Are you back? There's just a smile

and then the end. I like that look. I like the

very, I like that look at the very end there.

Yeah, that was awesome. That's very, very cool.

I love that. I love this issue. This is a fun

little story. It's a little, you know, vignette

of what possibly could happen in the future for

Gem and the Holograms. It was a nice character

story, mainly for Pizzaz, for the most part.

I mean, I mean, Jerika had some character moments,

but... All the other characters... I feel this

story is written in the sense that everyone has

already read the gem main ongoing and everything

that that entails and whatever. And that they

know the character by now, so they don't have

to give full -on development to Aja, Shayna,

Stormur, Roxy, all that stuff. What did you think

on a whole Amy after reading this? Pretty much

the same thing. I mean it was kind of nice to

just see what that would look like for 20 years

I was like, okay What's next? I want to know

what's next now too because I was like, okay.

Well, we're starting back up. Let's fill in Let's

do some more with this. It felt like it went

by so fast. I was like, oh, it's done already

thing They didn't they didn't chip us in anything,

but still I just thought like oh Be great if

we could continue But, it felt good. Yep. Absolutely.

Nicole, what about you? Final thoughts and all

that good stuff? Oh, I had fun reading this.

It's been a while since I've written the hologram.

It proved to me how much I missed it. I liked

seeing them, and I gotta give kudos to the artists

who actually aged them. What they do look like

they do and you know, they still don't look like

they're 20s, which is great because I wish I

still looked at 20s, but I don't so I mean, I

I mean, I like there's so many other stories

here that I'd like to know It is Shayna is still

a Tony it what's going on? With Kimber in the

business is she successful or is she just totally

mad? Or what's going on with all John Portland?

Why Portland, you know? So yeah, there's so many

questions. I have up here and in a way you don't

You don't need it, but it's just it'd be nice

Yeah, that's true Absolutely Anything else before

we move on to the next book Bring it bring bring

more some older rock stars. I want some more

older rocks I agree. I wouldn't mind, I wouldn't

mind really, you know, another ongoing of this,

but I'm sure that someday we will get something

that'll step up to the plate and do that. Let's

hope. Absolutely. Do we want to rate this? What

are we going to rate it? Zero to five ladies.

Zero. I hated every moment of it. Man, I don't

really have a whole lot of criticisms with this.

I just I'd say a good four point five just because

I had a little too many questions What about

you Amy? A solid four. A solid four I think is

fair. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm right there

at four and a half Very very well done like Nicole

said and we have so many more questions and like

I want this creative team on like Basically,

take this timeline. You've started here. You've

started something. You've given us a little bit

of history. You've given us a little bit of what

happened in the fallout of Gem and the Holograms.

But you've also brought them back together. So

now they're back together. What happens next?

At the same time, you can still go back and explore

whatever happened to break them up in the first

place. Yeah. Alright folks, we're gonna take

a quick break and we're gonna head on over to

the firehouse and we'll be back after this Up

next we've got the IDW 2020 Ghostbusters issue

I'm of course TF2 and Mike you've heard me throughout

the podcast joining me for this is JT from Saskatoon.

Hello, sir. Good day. Good day Yes, yes, and

I apologize to Sina Grace, the writer on the

gem issue. If I mistakenly mistook him for a

female, just based on his... I didn't look at

the guy's name, I've never even heard of him

before. When you see a name like Sina Grace,

at least I... I dunno. So, sorry about that,

Mr. Grace. This one is written by Eric Burnham.

Story art is done by Dan Schoening. The backup

story art is done by Tim Lati? Colors by Louis

Antonio Delgado, letters by Neil Yucatay, edits

by Tom Waltz, assistant edits by Megan Brown,

and the publisher is Greg Goldstein. As I've

said, folks, IDW has been going through some

major, major changes over this period of time,

so you're gonna hear... different publishers

from this company at the at the point of this

recording or this episode because they've consistently

been changing currently the publisher is Chris

Rial so there is that and yeah the IDW 2020 it's

basically it's supposed to be one -shot stories

to get I guess new readers into it As we've said,

they're doing Star Trek, Gem, Ghostbusters, and

then we've got My Little Pony and Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles coming up later in the podcast.

Have you read all of these, or did you just read

this one? Have you gotten all of these, or what

was your interest or disinterest in these? It's

IDW, of course I was interested. I've read them

all except for the My Little Pony. Not that I

don't like My Little Pony, just... Meh, you know?

Well, I'll... Yeah, I'll tell you about it later,

because it's coming up next after this. So, Ghostbusters,

um... All of these issues are kind of different.

All five of these issues are very, very different.

I was not expecting... a character page. this

I was just expecting to go right into the story,

but with the way the story is You kind of have

to know who the characters are the old guys the

new guys all that good stuff that kind of thing

And I originally did think these are all one

-shots some of them reference things that I haven't

even read yet Yeah, I mean though this one shot

For those that don't know folks we're taught

The IDW, like the Ghostbusters that we're doing

here is focused on the crew of Ghostbusters from

originally they debuted in the Sanctum of Slime

video game on Xbox. The first comic appearance

that I remember seeing them in was in a, I think

it was during the Mass Hysteria storyline where

they get like this, you know, the Ghostbusters

of many worlds and you see like the original

like the original Ghostbusters that Dan Aykroyd

had where they're like traveling through time

and then they their first major appearance in

a comic was during the Crossing Over miniseries

where the Ghostbusters of many worlds come together

and what's the name that Holtzman from 2016 Ghostbusters,

because I just think answer the call Ghostbusters

is a dumb way to label them. Lady Ghostbusters

just kind of sounds trite. Well, there is the

other name. Not Ghostbusters? No, not that. It's

Fembusters. I actually haven't heard that. Really?

Seriously? Yeah. Wow. We've got to get out more.

Yeah, Holtzman and what's his knob, Ron Alexander,

who I think is Dan Shoning's kind of take on

Chevy Chase. You know, that crossover is like,

they decide that the OG Ghostbusters are wrong

for hogging the multiversal portal tech, so they

try to create their own ripoff version. That

somehow... It releases the OG Ghostbusters entire

store of ghosts from the containment unit and

they have to go across time and space to collect

them all and like it's basically It's Ghostbusters

with Pokemon Kinda yeah, I mean it's kind of

like the the Star Trek Q conflict comic series

where like Q and Trillane and all these other

like Powerful at cosmic entities get together

like, you know, it's Kirk with Tuvok and a seven

of nine like, you know all the different Star

Trek casts are mixed together and it's it's It's

an all -star sort of thing with crossing over

and then It's really good. If you folks haven't

read it check it out. It's a lot of fun I think

it's like eight issues. So two trades worth But

you know, we got this one shot, which is basically

20 years after the original film. I think because

they say 20 years in the future, but they don't

say 20 years from what year. Yeah. So I mean,

in the far off world of 2004, I mean, we're getting

to Transformers, the movie time scales here.

And these new ones have these new. This is after

the events of the sanctum and slime game and

the crossing over thing, which I mentioned. And,

you know, Now they're taking on what the plot

is now they're ready for an easy gig something

like a simple haunted house, but they better

be careful Because it never goes right with the

Ghostbusters No, it never does doesn't matter

who's on the team. It never goes, right? Yeah,

you can have all like Personally to me and I

don't want to get into this discussion with you

because you're a super fan And I I don't hate

the 2016 film, but I don't like it either Okay,

first of all, I'm a super fan of many things.

I am - I am not necessarily a fan of the 2016

- I have championed the movie - You defend that

like it's your last breath. Now, my point is

- No, okay, I have defended it. Not my last breath,

but please continue. My point is... Those four

female characters are amalgamations of the original

- Male characters they're female kind of if you

look at that I Mean, I think it's insulting to

say that Melissa McCarthy is a good Bill Murray

Peter Venkman You know, whatever but and obviously

What's her name? Leslie Jones is character. She's

actually the niece of Winston, but well, I mean

Ernie Hudson because when I saw that film I was

like where in the hell I've seen every other

cameo where ah, of course. He's Patty's uncle

like I mean Patty's Winston I think McCarthy

is like the ray of that crew and they just of

how much of a, uh, living piece of wood that,

uh, Ramis was in the original film. They just

flipped it with Holtson. Yeah. You know? I mean,

I like the film, but the only reason I champion

it so much is I've just decided to take a stand

about, you know, such extreme negativity about

things, like, you know, especially the guys there.

Like, you're ruining my childhood! You know,

it's like, you're champion - No, that's what

Michael Bay does. Yeah Thankfully he didn't do

that in the last film But my point is is that

while that seemed to be Like hey, we're just

gonna take the original characters change them

up a little bit make them female yada yada yada

This comic this is the first time we've covered

anything IDW Ghostbusters, and we will be covering

it at some point in the future from the beginning

but again it all comes down to timing and money

and everything else and there's just so much

life going on right now i can't go out and buy

however many trades the main ongoing ghostbusters

series has now if you want to donate that's great

But here's the thing, there are many, as you've

said, there's a multiverse of Ghostbusters. There's

many different characters. They don't all have

to be like, they don't all have to have the main

characteristics of the original four guys that

were the Ghostbusters. And that's the thing with

this, is you have these four synctorum of slime

people that all have different ways of dealing

with stuff. And it's a fun little story. Think

it went a little too fast and I thought it was

really weird that they put a backup story in

this because at least all the other issues were

just one 20 page story. This is exact. This is

like what two ten page stories or something I

don't know. I don't dislike the fact that they

did it but it's just I just find it weird is

all Yeah, I mean one of my favorite things about

this one shot is you know, like you said each

each of these new Ghostbusters have their own

deal, they have their own personality, and I

think that's key when you bring a new crew of

anything together. I mean, you look at Extreme

Ghostbusters and say what you will about the

series. What worked for me about that was you

find four different personalities that, you know,

it works. Like, there's a lot of reasons why

it shouldn't work, but they all kind of just,

they just work together. absolutely plus their

driver Jeff yeah so basically we've got two teams

here we've got the sanctorum of slime team going

out to this new haunted house that just appears

and we've got Egon doing his his kind of shtick

back at the at the firehouse and I don't know

what Ray and Peter and Winston are doing But

these new guys and gal go in and it's empty.

It's just a normal house and I do like the quips

and I I find that interesting like You know All

right, you know, all right. Let's get this one

done fast. Yeah sure is super creepy in here

guys. I mean We've all heard dr. Stantz's stories

about stacked books, right? I may vet myself.

That was one of two things that I noticed reading

this, like in nods to Ghostbusters continuity,

because most of the IDW comics are considered

to be kind of in canon with the original movies.

It goes Ghostbusters 1, 2, the video game, and

then the comics. What's his name? The dude in

the hat, Alan. You see him a couple times in

the quote, you know, some of the a couple of

the ongoing series He's Yanos's nephew Yeah,

they have like that whole thing where where they

set up like you I think it's in the original

ongoing where like this demon tries to get rate

of like imagine a new form of the destructor

and you know, the other guys managed to distract

him and then ray is like no, he's still the still

the stay puff marshmallow man because they they

make a comment of locking this thing into a form

where his main attack strength is size so he

doesn't get all like, you know godlike and later

on Yanos is Showing up and Alan's in there. I

thought that was a real cool nod to their own

comic continuity and then yeah, the this Asymmetrical

book stacking, you know, no one stacks books

like that, right? So they're in this house, and

they face this ghost, and they think they've

trapped it. They get back to the firehouse. Before

they get back to the firehouse, Alan sees that

he's got some sort of slime or something on him

or something. So they go back to the firehouse.

They go to put the ghost in the trap, and the

trap is empty. Okay, well that's not good. So

then they go, you know to the library because

you know Gotta find stacks of books somewhere.

Yeah, and isn't this the deep ghost from like

one of the first episodes I think Or similar

to because I remember it's been years since I've

watched the series But I remember there was an

episode in the very first season where they deal

with like a haunted house sort of thing like

this and I wouldn't put it past the IDW crew

to reference something like that because that

is very cool and very... ...canical. So that's

probably where that came from. I just like the

fact that it's really they get in and this sweet

old lady... It's like this house appeared out

of thin air nobody lives here, and then she's

like my well aren't you? Observe it And you since

your Ghostbusters, then you all must die This

dude wants all Ghostbusters dead well the spirit

God what's the the new black guys I Forget his

I'm just looking at the voice here. Just please

excuse me folks Sam Sam or yeah, no Gabriel Gabriel

Sam's the blonde and well, we know the Allen

Gabriel tosses what looks like a pocket calculator

at the ghost feet and it blows up and it ruins

its human visage and then Sam throws out a trap

and they trap it, you know, it's Miller time

And then the house disappears and I kind of whether

slimed with like this pink or purplish mood slime

looking stuff I kind of made me think of that

episode where Peter's telling the flashback tale

of how their suits After gozer got possessed

by like residual ecto energy from the containment

unit and they have to like fight ghost doubles

of themselves Yeah Yeah, that's that's what this

kind of is it seems or not really but that's

what it looks like So Yeah, they They do all

this research at the library and we find out

about what the ghost does and whatever well apparently

the ghost latched on to Alan's suit and well

The the ghost wants to destroy the Ghostbusters

and Yeah, we've got laundry with with a head

sticking out of it just like that episode yeah

And I just like how it's got like the classic

Marionette you know, cross piece on Egon and

I can almost imagine, I can almost see Harold

Ramis doing that in a film like if this was like

an at or like part of the movie or something

like yeah I mean I don't know and I've never

known if IDW has the actual likeness rights I

mean I know it's all due to artist interpretation

of what the original male Ghostbusters look like

But I don't know if they have likeness rights

to Bill Murray or any of the other guys but the

page here where Where Alan says and I think I

might have brought it right back to the firehouse

where you see Egon looking over his shoulder

If that's not Harold Ramis, there's something

wrong with you because that looks just like him

a little bit more angular Yeah, I mean it's very

much Egon yeah I like how they they make this

thing manifest and it's like this ghost t -rex

thing and Then bridge it like where sounds like

we're let's go zap it again She's like first

time we sapped it it turned into a dinosaur.

What do you want next Godzilla? And he's like,

um, no ma 'am But that's kind of what you're

gonna get not really but well, yeah, I mean just

I love that it's just like no ma 'am you know

just how it backs down then Alan steps up and

you know kind of rallies and they come up with

this plan that that basically they just need

more power to trap the ghost in fact Alan gets

uh swallowed by the ghost and then he gets spit

right back out when he zaps it with the proton

pack from inside which i thought was that is

like One of but not the only very action hero

moment that they've had in these comics. Yeah,

I mean that's kind of up there in badassery as

Winston sacrificing His love with his girlfriend

in a very I hate to say this but it's it's a

very spider -man one more day kind of deal with

Tiamat They finally strap into, like, Con Ed

and they manage to trap the ghost. But then they

also black out the island of Manhattan. Yep.

Yeah. So, yeah, they get all this power. They

get the ghost trapped, like you said. Black out

of Manhattan. And that's how it kind of ends.

I liked it. I thought it was interesting. I have

not played the video game, I don't have console

video game systems, so I just know what I've

read online about the video game. So I like the

team, I think the team is cool, I think the team

is all their unique individual characters. I

like that they're kind of working with the old

guys as well. I love the art, I love Dan Schoening's

art. Very very cool. You know once we get into

more Ghostbusters coverage at some point here

in the pull bag You know maybe we'll we'll see

more of these this team and that and that kind

of thing So I mentioned to you off air that they

kind of this one again. This issue is very weird

They did this story and this this first story

ends on Page 24 well apparently they had a few

a little bit more Room in the in the book to

do this second story What I love about this not

only does does he is Vigo show up? You've got

the the Ghostbuster ghost logo. You've got the

ghost in the Ghostbuster ghost logo Opening the

narration here. I thought that was hilarious.

Yeah, and I think that's a nod to you know And

now we'll go back to the real Ghostbusters, you

know, interstitial when they came back from commercial

in the cartoons. I love that. I do like this,

you know, the whole stop the presses seems like

after our lead story was finished and turned

in, there was room for more. You do know what

a gift is or what a gift that is. Yeah, like,

you know, just OK, beat the fans over the headway,

don't you? And yeah, it focuses on Alan and Oh

god, I just forgot her name. Bridget. Yeah, Bridget.

I also, when you get the thought of their ectomobile,

it's like an ecto -hummer. You know, it's like

this badass looking thing. And they're checking

out a haunted house where the family's been having

the exact same nightmare for days. And something

goes wrong, like... there's like the zzzz because

Alan's using like Ray's ecto goggles and when

the lights come up again Vigo's there swearing

vengeance on his bloodline and I also kind of

like the the artist here which forgive me was

Tim Latti yeah uh just the way exaggerated kind

of proportions there on Vigo just I Kind of made

me think of like demon Vigo from the end of Ghostbusters

2. Yeah You know Absolutely, that's yeah very

much So if you look through the panels through

the like the first like, you know, so we see

Vigo He's sitting in his little chair there You

go to the next one, you know, your bloodline

failed me the Ghostbusters fail foiled me And

then you see the the next panel here And I shall

have my revenge at last. The further you go into

his face, the more demonish he looks. Yeah, and

then he... And then, obviously, later... Gabe

wakes him up, and it was a Sandman, which is

another reference to one of my personal favorite

episodes of the original series. And he's like,

yeah, some dream, and... I mean, heavily suggesting

that this is gonna be followed up down the line.

You know Vigo comes for revenge and mm -hmm You

know hey if there's one way to get Vigo back

into the Ghostbusters. It's probably gonna be

this comic So you know I'm all for that yeah,

and that's if you've never played like the original

like the 2009 game which is essentially Ghostbusters

3 mm -hmm With the storyline and it interconnects

elements from the first two films. I love the

fact that you can go down You go down the stairs

into the basement and then there's a sub basement

but down the first basement there Vigo like Somehow

after Ghostbusters 2 Vigo got stuck in the painting

again, and you can go downstairs and talk smack

to it That's funny. Yes, you really shouldn't

be talking smack to a demon Well, you don't talk

smack because in the video game you play this

mute, you know rookie You don't even get to like

name your character. It's just Like even because

they got the original voices and Peter like Murray's

like don't get attached ray and What happened

the last time you got attached to something?

Yeah Actually, because what is it? The thing

is Peter or ray you go down to the basement because

Slimer gets loose and one of the two talks smack

to Vigo That's funny yeah and if you're like

me and you have like the actual physical comic

book the next page or next couple pages is basically

ads showing like the star trek and the my little

pony and the other 2020 issues i like the my

the star trek i would like to check out the my

little pony one but the star trek one Basically,

it's a tale of young Picard when he had hair.

Yep. Which we've covered already in this episode.

Yeah. I love the fact that it goes back and it

looks at the time when Picard and Wesley's dad

and Beverly were on the Stargazer, because I

think that's something never... They had the

Stargazer lot in a couple episodes of TNG, but

they never actually had an episode set there.

Yeah, like we've said, IDW goes deep in their

lore when they're doing this, and they have the

Star Trek license, they do some Star Wars stuff,

but obviously Marvel has the Star War, like,

I think IDW is doing Star Wars Adventures, which

is basically, you know, not necessarily saying

it's just for kids, but it's aimed at younger

readers. Yeah, no... My buddy Optobotamus was

going to be on this this part of the episode

as well and he didn't really like it and he's

about as big a Ghostbusters fan as you are and

I don't know why I don't know maybe it's because

he didn't know the team maybe because he had

never played the video game I'm all for at least

in the Ghostbusters world kind of new seeing

different and new characters because we don't

want to see the same old same old adventures

with with the original four So, I like that.

I thought that was cool. Amy, Nicole, and myself

are coming up next with the My Little Pony issue.

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folks, we're gonna head to Ponyville. Well, doesn't

busting make us feel good? It is now time to...

and the only reason why I'm gonna say the sound

that I say after I say this is just because of

certain things that happened a few years ago.

It is now time for My Little Pony. Come on now.

You know what happened a few years ago. I was

done. I couldn't even read any of the other IDW

stuff after 2016. I just couldn't. You know why.

And I'm not gonna reveal that on air, because

people, if you're friends with me on Facebook

or follow me on Twitter, you know what happened

to me, or what happened with me in 2016. So,

but yeah, this is the first pony thing that I

picked up, or the first pony thing I've read

since we did our initial few episodes that we

did on, or, well, we've done more than a few.

when Nicole and I had done pony coverage for

the pullback a couple years ago. So this is My

Little Pony's IDW 2020. The writing is done by

Ted Anderson. Art is done by Tony... Cuisto?

I assume? I'm probably screwing that up. The

colors are done by Heather Breckle. Letters done

by Krista... Meisner, and wait, how many times

has IDW changed publishers? I swear to God. Edits

are done by Bobby Kernow, the publisher is Greg

Goldstein. I need to actually look up and see

who is the actual publisher currently because

I don't know anymore. IDW has been in such a

consistent change over the years. As of late

So yeah ponies they get sent back in time Pony

time Yes, this this was interesting them going

back and seeing their younger selves I think

Adorable I love seeing the baby main six. Mm

-hmm Yep, absolutely. So basically this is This

is all Rainbow Dash's fault in the storm Of course,

of course, it's Rainbow Dash's fault now time

for the big finale she goes to do her rainbow

and She shatters time That's awesome What she

what would what they really needed right now

was dr. Hooves that would've been awesome Talk

about time paradoxes, and you don't have a dr.

Hooves reference Miss opportunity Okay, yeah,

so I guess this was this was made before Chris

took over, but yes Chris Rial is president and

publisher with John Barber being editor -in -chief

Okay, so well there you go Amy what are your

thoughts on this because we've never talked ponies

with you at least not on air anyway no I I haven't

actually been really great about keeping up with

it so but I thought it was a really nice contained

story I thought it was really cute I could I

could see all the characters like this was them

I could hear all their little voices in my head

I've watched the show so I'm a fan but I haven't

kept up with the comics very well but yeah I

liked this I thought it was really cute that

they got to go back in time and meet their their

past selves so I was just like yes that it's

definitely Leo, a My Little Pony episode, woohoo!

And I love how each of them reacts to it. I know,

and it's so genuine to their character. Yeah,

so we have Rainbow Dash's rea - huh? What? And

then Fluttershy just basically screams at each

other, and then Pinky's like, hiya, hiya! pinky

wants to play play with anyone that's like pinky

so well of course she's got a dream come true

here man mm -hmm yep and you know yeah Rainbow

Dash is like you can't catch me you weird imposter

so Rainbow Dash yep oh my gosh Yeah, I'll say

this the writers on my little pony on anything

that I've read from IDW They really get these

characters like Applejack like I can hear The

voice actress in my head Like all of them. I

can hear Pinkie Pie. I can hear Fluttershy. I

can hear Rarity. I can hear Twilight Don't know

who would have done the younger voices, but I

can still hear their main voices being like Aged

down a bit. Yeah, it would be a little higher

pitched a little you know thing yeah less confident

Because they are little littles All good Yep,

and Doc Brown would be very very very disappointed

in all of these ponies though because So many

time paradoxes happen in this, because they reveal

stuff about the future. Like, I get that they

have to do that, I'm just making a little joke

because of hello back to the future and you're

not supposed to know too much about your own

future and all that. Yes, but Celestia, she fixes

it. Yep, she fixes it. That's true. She fixes

it. yeah she fixes it so everything that you're

gonna say you're gonna forget anyhow so yeah

i kind of had an idea from the very beginning

that that's what was gonna happen oh they're

gonna be mind wiped just wait just wait mind

wipe princess celestial with a neuralyzer that's

a that's an image we don't need A giant mythical

unicorn creature holding a neuralyzer from Men

in Black. I do love the story. Oh, she makes

us look good. Yeah, exactly. I do love the story.

I love that they basically have to find the elements

of harmony again in order to go home. you know,

control the portal. So I love that they have

to do that. I love that they have to do it all

together. I think that's really cool. Again,

with the elements having them to go find them,

it is a reminder to them what brought them together.

It also reminds them that, yeah, because I think

both the comic and the cartoon kind of like fallen

away from, yeah, each one of the main six are

in charge of an element. And I guess it was it's

kind of like a refresher of oh you can't forget

this yeah This is important some Yep And they

all look really really good both the the older

selves and the younger selves the backgrounds

are are amazing Again it's one of those things

that these are you know all friends that all

bring something different to to the party that

you know they each have their own skills they

each have their own abilities like rarity distracts

the bears so they can get the element of harm

so rainbow dash can swoop in and get the element

of harmony that the bear is essentially sleeping

on Yeah, this is just a fun fun little story

It literally felt like you they just took it

right off the TV screen and put it on the piece

of paper And honestly from the pony comics we

have read and covered on this podcast That's

essentially what they've done. I mean they've

created there. They've created their own stories

They've created like the main ongoing. I think

it's still ongoing. I don't know. I haven't paid

attention three four years or whatever but you

know they've been able to tell their own stories

without basically having to remake the TV series

you know they've added character development

and things like that and whatever else because

you know folks there is a thing called you know

original ideas you don't always have to remake

everything yeah Disney looking at you Disney

And everything you own Sadly acquired everything

that you've acquired Hey, but if you want to

hire me Well, they keep publishing stories about

these old the the old guard dying and passing

away like I saw a story a couple weeks ago or

a couple months ago about how one of the another

one of the old animators from the olden days

has just passed away, and I'm like, oh god, this

is so depressing. And then, of course, there's

the story about how they refuse to let some grieving

father put Spider -Man on his son's tombstone.

That's a whole other bag of words we'll get into

later. But this is fun, this is interesting.

Like Nicole and Amy said, Princess Celestia finds

a way to have it all work out and everyone has

to say goodbye sadly and I love this little scene

how they each say goodbye to each other that's

so fun like basically Pinkie Pie jumps into Pinkie

Pie's arms and all of that and you see the little

ones and then you see the older versions of themselves

and at first I didn't think they got transported

back to the right place because of the characters

that show up when they get back and I'm like,

oh wait, yeah, that's the right place. And then,

oh wait, I remember everything. Just as Celestia

set it up to be. Yep. Friendship is magic. Yep,

friendship is magic. Magic is friendship, all

that good stuff. Yeah, this is fun. This is a

nice little... you know back to the past kind

of thing and again that's what um back to the

past or back to the future both actually but

and that's what idw is all about in this 2020

series where they've got you know these various

things and i love that gem went to the future

and i love that this went to the past yeah oh

i didn't think about that yeah that's cool Yep,

yep, yep Any final thoughts Nicole? I? Thought

this was really cute You can kind of see where

it was going so it was a little predictable,

but I'm not complaining about it because it was

I Seeing pinky pie with young pinky pie is just

absolutely adorable. I love it Yeah, I I think

there was some good elements I'm gonna give it

a Solid four, because I just thought it was adorable.

Yeah, I'm right there with you. Final thoughts,

Amy? I agree. I think it was a fun little read.

I really enjoyed it, and I would give it a solid

four as well. Awesome. Alright, where can the

people find you online, Nicole? Don't find me.

That's okay. As long as you don't bring me problems,

you could find me just Google beetle and that's

beetles like the band on the bug Yeah, and yeah

people you all you customer service people over

in Indiana don't don't don't message her on Facebook,

please We're gonna people find you in me so you

find me on Twitter best place to find me because

you know, it's brief Short to the point. I really

like Twitter. So Lady of wreck just type in lady

of wreck and that's the first one that pops up

and it's me All right, we will be back after

this to close out episode 360 of the podcast

with myself and Joe Reed as we talk about the

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IDW 2020 issue.

We will catch you guys. world a different timeline

and that's how they say it I always thought that

the way he said it come on yeah it is cowabunga

but it's booyakasha is how it's okay I always

thought it was chow but it's okay we'll be back

around the house saying it that way okay that's

what I thought it said turtle power Alright folks,

this is it! You've heard me repeat myself over

and over and over again here in episode 360 of

The Pull Bag. I am, of course, TFU and Mike back

with you. Joining me is Mr. Joe Reed. Hello,

sir. Hello, hello. And we are here to talk about

the IDW Publishing 2020. What this is is IDW

celebrating their 20 years of being a publishing

company, and they did Turtles. Jam, My Little

Pony, Star Trek, and Ghostbusters as they're

supposed to be one -shots. Some seem to be connected

to the series proper, but anyway, supposed to

be one -shots. Turtles 1, I love the cover. I

think the cover is super cool with the technodrome

and the crankbots and the turtles there, absolutely

love it. It is written by Paul Allor. art by

nelson daniel letters by sean lee edits by bobby

kernel publisher is greg goldstein and i've mentioned

in this episode and in other episodes recently

that we've been doing idw coverage the current

publisher of i uh... of idw is chris rial because

idw has had some management changes and these

books have apparently come out during all of

that so Currently the publisher of IDW is Chris

Royale, so there's that. This one is just this

little story so far thing says, long ago the

TMNT stopped Krang from terraforming the earth.

Now 20 years later, Krang's dark legacy continues.

Will the older more jaded turtles be able to

save the world again? I know you expressed, um,

slight, I don't want to say displeasure, but

maybe a little disdain after reading this. Um,

I, I thought it was interesting because it takes

place. I like, this is what I expected the IDW

2020 to be a single story that takes place in

the past or the future. And this obviously takes

place in the future. This doesn't maybe, who

knows? I mean, we we know bobby and tom and kevin

e bobby's current out tom waltz and kevin eastman

always tied back into other things and all the

other team of two writers do maybe they'll tie

into this at some point but this to me is you

pick this up at a comic shop you don't have to

have read the last five six seven years of idw

turtles the reason i get pre -jaded by issues

this is that it's since it's not in continuity

and and it is Either, well, a look in the past

would be interesting. Maybe not so much for Turtles,

but for some of the other books. But when you're

looking 20 years into the future, like, okay,

you're going to write something that actually

may or may not be canon ever because, you know,

things change. Writers change. They may decide

to kill the crangs off in issue 150. And so,

you know, 2020, you do a book across everybody.

And maybe this is a book that people who haven't

picked up the series are going to pick up, but

probably not. It's just like a weird little money

grab and being that it is one issue standalone

usually it's a little quick and So I come into

a lot of issues like this pre jaded the first

time that I read it when I picked it up I did

that thing that I do a lot where I start reading

and then start skimming And then about two thirds

of the way through the book, I'm just kind of

like flipping through and picking out a word

or two. So I'm glad to say that I went back and

reread it for this episode. You know, that's

the right thing to do. Yes. And we have, what

I love is, we have Mikey narrating throughout

the entire thing. I think that is super cool.

Yeah, it's either him narrating or his brothers

at a particular when because they're it's kind

of like MTV confessional the somebody's set up

a camera and the turtles are talking to the camera

and Depending on what's going on. They're like

coming in and out It's mostly Mikey now and that's

for a reason that we discover pretty quick. Yeah

Yeah, so yeah and even like you said even leo

has to do it he's like meanwhile do i have to

do this yes and then he vanishes like a street

phantom so i guess in the future leo has the

street phantom tech i don't that's not street

phantom tech he's like all zen monk and knows

how to go to the astral plane oh okay there's

that yeah the the cloak is where i think you

you got that yeah from but it's It's what I think

a lot of the future versions of Leonardo that

we've seen. I'm thinking back to some Mirage

episodes where they go to the future. Leo becomes

kind of the master splinter. Zen Monk can meditate

and levitate and Glow's Blue has psychic ninja

powers because he's just so attuned to his ki.

And I think that's what this is representational

of. I think it'd taken more than 20 years to

get there though, but you know, it's okay. It's

Leo. I think my favorite part about this entire

book and it just like they better do this in

the main ongoing adult pepperoni finally oh my

god she's so huge you ready to do this pepperoni

I Love that that was so cool. I love it. They

did that and she's got all these guns on her

and everything else and Wow I wonder is that

a gray headband are they like ninja masking her

up. I didn't I thought it was like Laser vision

eyes, but it's rain. There's fabric. Yeah, it

kind of looks like a gray headband Very cool

clever all right So we have black for slash,

we have red, yellow, red, orange, purple, blue

for the main turtles, we have yellow for the

new turtle, which we will talk about at the end

of this, at the end of this little episode, because

we've got other TMNT stuff we'll be doing in

the coming weeks and months and yadda yadda yadda.

So they mention, and this really got me, you

know, Mikey continues his thing and they mentioned

Donnie and that they weren't there for him and

I'm like, oh no. you people you better not have

oh good Donnie's alive he's just on a separate

man like don't do that again you can't kill the

same turtle twice IDW please no so that the interesting

thing that happens in the beginning here so they're

there it's in the future the crangs are going

crazy but like Mikey's leader they mentioned

Leo is so burdened and so overcome by whatever

it is that he's doing that Michelangelo is the

one who steps up. And I remember reading that

thinking, no, but at the end of it, he would

be the one to do it. Donnie's too busy. Raph's

too angry. And Mikey can grow into that. And

I think, yeah, he would probably be the next

best one, next best choice. I thought insurance

salesmen were pushy. Oh, a fellow checker, eh?

Yes, I completely agree with you on Michelangelo's

ascension to leader as far as he's the character

out of the four of them. He is the character

that can grow into being the leader. Like you

just said, Raph's too angry, Donny's off doing

tech stuff, Leo is in this astral plane stuff,

and... You look at Michelangelo and you look

at everything he's been through in the IDW books

Even though this is a one -off story as I said

earlier I fully expect them to tie this in somehow

at some point. Maybe when we get to issue 150

or something I don't know because it seems like

there's no end in sight for IDW turtles, which

is great for us You know, hopefully they they

find a way to to work this in there somehow,

but yes, Mikey is leader, the Krangs are just

going everywhere, Leo comes in, does Astroplane

stuff, and, and, and, you know, and Raph and

Pepperoni do their thing, and Raph - kind of

gets caught by the the crane but leo comes through

and slices them out of there i love the the image

of uh... where raf was like just like old times

leo it's good to know you still i love this image

of them fighting i absolutely love this panel

it's so friggin cool and then obviously Perhaps

like right because Leo disappears again, but

yeah, he pops in saves his brother And then checks

out and goes back what he was doing Yeah, it's

into there's a little resentment with Leo and

that through throughout the issue and but at

any time they need him He's there still right,

so it's a it's a there's a weird thing going

on I maybe was deliberate or they're hinting

at something else, but no when he's when he needs

to be there He's there and they should be able

to count on him for that But they don't seem

to which is weird, but you know, maybe there's

a reason. Yep You know, so Leo goes sneaking

around the place and does his astral plane thing

Gets out of the astral plane and basically slices

into a couple of crangs and it's like where's

the technodrome? No one here is gonna tell you

anything I hope my brothers are doing better

than me We're not doing so great here. We're

doing fine as long as there aren't any more And

it's interesting so you know they they say about

you know the Civil War and the Krang war another

Krang war or whatever and you know, we see Donnie

show up and Donnie's kicking all kinds of ass,

and they're like, we're trying to find the technodrome,

seriously? Isn't it obvious? That it's in, you

know, that one building that, you know... Looks

like a technodrome. Yeah, kinda. Like, it's kinda

obvious there. I love the... So, in Comicsology

Guided View, I get the big splash page. of the

technodrome blasting out of its thing, but to

the right of it, it has Mikey, Raph, Donnie,

and Ghost Leo, or Astral Leo. It zooms in on

each of their faces, and wow. You know, so Leo

found it, and... You know, they're going to do

more fight is basically a fight issue I mean

there are stories here and there are character

arcs here, but it's basically a fight issue Leo

has to go do his thing. I Love like I might make

this my next Facebook cover photo. I love the

photo of Mikey pepperoni raff and Donnie running

Oh God, that is such good art. Oh the colors,

the way they're running, the way the background

of the ground not necessarily folds into their

feet, but the way you can see how each of them

moves. Absolutely love that. Donnie though gets

carried off by a crying trooper and he gets saved

by Leo. And Leo was able to set off the bomb

that he planted and we get back to you know more

monologuing and Whatever and it yeah, you know

Not many not one backup many backups and the

crane are there there's they're taken over Europe

with many many technodromes That they've activated

yeah, so they're just gonna go out and fight

the good fight and and keep fighting the technodromes

and I think I like this a little like more than

I probably should only because of certain aspects

of it like I said pepperoni and how Mikey's the

leader and how all that happens and Yeah, I like

like a like usually happens when I reread a comic

for Reviewing it like this is I like it more

the second time than I did the first time Yeah,

I do. It's okay. I love the final shot of them

basically skydiving into the Eiffel Tower. That's

another good piece of work. That's another good

piece. This thing is filled with great art shots.

What I was going to say a second ago was I love

that they're doing something outside of the U

.S., outside of Japan, outside of their history.

outside of what we would normally know them to

be doing. The fact that in 20 years the crank

civil war or whatever ends up ravaging Europe

and the turtles get to go to all these awesome

places and whatever. I love that they use that

as the setting in this. It is it is and and it

is nice to see that they are getting out and

that they're there's this globetrotting thing

that all that also opens up an opportunity for

the comics to again take the turtles someplace

they they haven't been they've They're they're

a genre bending tool and you know, what what

would what would Ninja Turtles meets angels and

demons be you know Boy do we have something to

talk about here in a minute then? We got a couple

of things to talk about. What would you rate

this zero to five as just a one -off issue, just

a cool story kind of thing? Being that I think

it's missing something to be a good place for

people who haven't read the series to jump on

and get a good sense of what it is, this doesn't

give you a good sense of what the turtle book

is about. And I think for that reason, we're

probably sitting at a 3 .5. Yeah, I'm like right

there with you. This has to be like some somebody

like us or somebody like anybody on the turtle

flakes Facebook group over at over the turtle

flakes podcast with Rob Luther Josh God Josh

O 'Rourke and What's the other Josh's last Joshatello

people know who he is Yeah, this is mainly for

us. There are some single issue IDW things like

free comic book day stuff that they do that kind

of catches everybody up to where they are and

where they're going that's okay, but this is

even though it is a one -shot story, it's mainly

a one -shot story for us that have been with

the franchise for so long. Before we get out

of here we got a couple things to talk about

we are Because of life and as I've said before

life comes before podcasting we're so far behind

on TMNT in this podcast we did just release episode

357 which was the invasion of Triceratons arc

which is 76 to 80 of the main ongoing we will

be doing at the end of this month 81 to 84 which

is the kingdom of rats arc next up is Batman

TMNT 2 which really has nothing to do with the

the main ongoing for IDW it's a DC IDW crossover

story that they're doing or that they did. But

yeah, so in the main ongoing, the reason why

I'm talking about this now, for those of you

who haven't read it or aren't caught up yet,

we kind of are. Are you still reading on a regular

basis? Oh, yeah. I figured you would, obviously,

because you are you. Yep. I'm not caught up,

but I still take the news and things with a grain

of salt. And I see all the IDW press releases

and whatever else, because I'm on their list.

So, we're in the middle of City at War, or, yeah,

it is City at War, right? Yep. Yeah. Something

happens to Jenneka. Jenneka is Splinter's student.

She was formerly Shredder's student in the Foot

Clan. Something happens to where she needs a

mutant transfusion, and I forget which turtle

gives her the transfusion? Leo. Leo's blood?

Okay. Leo, well that kind of makes sense because

he was the tune -in. Leo gives her his blood

and that's how she gets turned into the new female

turtle. I have no problem with this because she

was injured and she had to have a blood transfusion

and the fact that they're turning her into a

female turtle. Like, this is a, to me, and I

haven't even read it yet, I can just look at

it and see what Bobby, Tom, and Kevin, Mr. Eastman,

Mr. Kernow, and Mr. Waltz are doing with this.

They're progressing her character. They are not

forcing a female turtle on us. They are not,

she is not... Venus. This is not the 90s. This

is not the next mutation. This is everything

these people, everything these creators have

done in the last five, six, seven, however the

hell long, like, I think this has been going

on, oh, turtles. Eight years. Eight years. Yeah,

2011. Yeah, yeah, 2011. So turtles, IDW Turtles

has been going on for eight years now. In eight

years, they have done so much to homage and to

pay tribute and to... make further that were

initially silly exactly and to further the mythos

of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and again

you have one of the original co -creators on

this as well so I highly doubt they would just

do something just to do it so I'm all for Jenica

becoming a turtle I'm fine with it I have no

problems with it everybody that is just coming

into it not having read the past 90 -something

issues, and I know we talk about that all the

time, like, oh god, 80 years of Batman, where

do I start, or 80 years of Superman, or whatever,

or 80 years of comics, where do you... You gotta

know your information first. Like, you can't

just write an article online or do a YouTube

video saying, oh, they're going all woke, or

what, I hate that. If there is one... fucking

word in or phrase or woke and offended irritated

it's well i can get offended and i'm fine but

everybody gets a little too offended i think

but this whole woke thing like that is not that

is nothing to do with this character story like

they're not there are plenty of awesome females

in gennika herself was an awesome female in this

series You've got April, you've got Angel, you've

got all of the other females that have been in

this series. As I said a second ago, they're

not just doing a female turtle to do a female

turtle. It's story driven. That is, I think that

where they're gonna succeed were a lot of attempts

like this have kind of seemed hand -fisted. One,

I mean... Sophie Campbell has she's had a hand

in creating this character and it's something

that they've all been working on behind the scenes

since issue 50 something like this is they knew

they were going here but she has I think the

way the handle on how to do this without it being

fan service political or what's the word the

being the the front of the parade championing

this sort of thing. This was the most natural

organic way to make this happen that it possibly

could have been. We didn't see it coming. We

didn't smell it coming. And the one thing that

I think the reason people have problems with

this is that all of us, we need to get to a place

as a society where when There's characters in

the back of a van and one gives a blood transfusion

to the other one that oh my gosh It's not another

it's not a a female turtle. Oh my gosh. It's

a fifth turtle we need to get to that point and

I think because this transition from Jenica into

what is the fifth turtle is it was so natural

and organic and unforced that I This is where

that happened, but you know the people the fans

the people who didn't like Venus are kind of

steering it back toward well no it's this social

political thing like no no it really couldn't

have happened any better yeah no absolutely and

like i said even though i'm not there yet i'm

not you know up to it yet um i'm perfectly fine

with it because again as you just said it's character

specific it's this specific it's that specific

it's not just Hey guys, here's a female turtle.

Oh, it's not that at all and she's not drawn

with breasts on her shell She's not drawn with

hips. She's not Sexualized in any way. She is

a fifth turtle. Yep And that none of that is

necessary, you know and have they done that it

would have been like no no no can't do no that's

just too much and too weird and but but It's

it's insane to the people that I thought Understood

what IDW has been about have looked at this and

completely misread the situation misread or are

imagining what it's going to turn into And it's

the word. It's the worst possible outcome. They're

gonna imagine the worst thing. This is totally

Venus She's gonna wear light blue and be Leonardo's

girlfriend like no, no, that's not what's And

you're you're that shows you what kind of faith

you have in this team who've turned Cheesy horrible

characters like bebop and rocksteady into incredibly

entertaining full -fledged depth Carrying characters.

Yeah, cuz nobody nobody would have Done the thing

where oh their names come from musical styles

Like that was done here bebop and rocksteady

that was done in this IDW turtles thing uh...

so we are on board we're absolutely on board

i'm even looking at some of the things i've shared

from tom waltz and from uh... from uh... michael

i'm gonna get his name wrong dynalias i'm probably

saying it wrong he's one of the artist that does

stuff he just shared his what's going to be an

exclusive cover for it's a RE cover for issue

97 where it's a yellow background and it's Jenica

with her weapon and she's got the yellow mask

and she's got arrows on her back. It looks super

cool. What Michael says is, I proudly present

my Conquest comic store Jenica variant for TMNT

97. This is the Daystorm version limited to 750

copies. Make sure you head over to their site

to check out the other two variations. I'm so

happy how this issue is turning out. It's action

packed and huge things happen. So make sure you

get in on City at War and the road to 100. Man,

I wish I could afford all these full variants.

I know, right? I just can't. I know, right? That's

one of the reasons why I love trade paperbacks

is because most of the time there's a cover gallery

in the back, and you at least kind of get to

get it for digital. Again, that's why I love

digital. Now I understand, you know, you're an

old man and you want print and you want to feel

it and you want to huff it and whatever. The

other big news besides the Jenica Becomes a Turtle

thing just announced, we're recording this just

as San Diego Comic Con is starting. This episode

is gonna be, well, it's supposed to be out on

the 10th, but whatever, of July. Anyway. TMNT,

IDW, and Boom Studios, it's morphin' time, it's

mutant time. The mighty morphin' Power Rangers

and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are joining

forces for the ultimate crossover. A five -part

series is coming this December from Boom Studios

and IDW Publishing. And I'll read it. Of course

you will, because we'll have to cover it on this

podcast at some point. I will say that I... a

13 year old when Power Rangers started I have

this evolution from childhood to teenager I had

He -Man I had Turtles I had Transformers I had

Thundercats I had Voltron I had all these cool

action shows and then you know in the 80s and

90s like Disney Afternoon and things like that

when Power Rangers came on I was like ooh what's

this And even though I was 13 years old at the

time, I'm like, ooh, these are kind of like action

heroes for the 90s, yadda, yadda, yadda. So I've

followed the franchise over the years, over the

25, 26 years it's been around. I have been reading

and we have been reviewing the Boom Studios main

ongoing for Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. It

is... everything that any one of the original

show wanted because it's slightly more serious

it's not as there are plenty of hokey things

in the original MMPR shows so again both companies

are doing such great work with each of the Mighty

Morphin Power Rangers and Teenage Mutant Ninja

Turtles franchises that we already had TMNT Batman

or Batman, TMNT, whatever, between IDW and DC.

We've had other things that TMNT have done. Why

not Power Rangers? I mean, the last thing after

this that we need to get done is, you know, TMNT

Daredevil. I, you know, I keep hitting every

crossover. I've wanted to read that Power Rangers

series, or I've been curious about it. It hit

me in middle school and it was only too late

because At that point, you were too cool to go

to those things. And no, I was a big nerd. But

I remember going to see the original movie in

the theater and me and my friend Eric were buying

our tickets saying, yeah, we're previewing it

for his sister, surely. And we were hamming it

up like we knew that they knew that we actually

wanted to see it. But we just played it out because

it was funny. But yeah, it hit me a little too

late to really get into it, but I did watch it

because it was like, oh, it's a live -action

Voltron. Except, wow, those costumes suck. They

got better over time. So yeah, that's IDW, IDW.

Oh, it is. IDW 2020. This is episode 360 of The

Pull Bag. We've told you where everybody can

be followed and yada yada yada. I'm sure I've

repeated myself where I can be found online at

TFU and Mike on Twitter. You can also follow

at the pull bag and at GeekCast Radio as well.

Where can the people find you online, sir? I

need to get my Twitter back up and rolling. I

just don't know how to use it. But until I do

figure out how to use it, I am at the old people's

page known as Facebook dot com slash geek stuff

garage sale where your grandma hangs out. Now

both of mine are dead, thank you. Maybe there

are ghosts hanging out there. Oh great, now we

gotta call the Ghostbusters. Anyway, make your

greatest game to comics. Coming up next week,

Joe and I will be back as we finally get back

to or we continue on with Batman TMNT because

Batman TMNT 2 has been out for a while. Batman

TMNT 3 is currently being published. Oh man,

we should talk about the movie that released

on Blu -ray. Yes, yes we should as soon as I

end up watching it. I haven't had... I still

haven't watched Transformers Bumblebee yet, so

I gotta do that before the end of the month.

Yep. So there is that. So we will catch you next

week, make your greatest game in the comics,

and keep reading those books, folks. I wish this

moment could last forever. You've just heard

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