Interview with Tony Wolf on Tales From The Wolf

Hey, this is Joe Sanfilippo. You're listening

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in you! So this is episode 313. This will be

the final episode of 2022. Happy New Year to

everybody going into 2023. And after this episode,

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So we'll see what happens. It's going to be a

real job, y 'all. Anyway, on with the show. This

is geek cast radio episode 312 I'm of course

TF2 on Mike and joining me for the first time

in a long time actually I've listened to this

guy on a Previous podcast he used to do called

the action room. I've actually wanted to record

with him for years now He has a new book coming

out a new graphic novel that we will be talking

about but it is none other than Mr. Tony wolf.

Hi, Tony. How are you? Hey, Mike, how are you?

Very glad to be here, especially after all these

years of being connected. Yes, exactly. Thank

you. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I guess we can call it the inaction room now.

Right. Yeah. We defunct room, but we had a great

time doing that show. We did the show for four

years. I believe this was the podcast we did

called The Action Room. Yep. And that's how you

and I first got connected, right, on Twitter?

Yeah, because I was listening to it and you guys

probably gave out your Twitter handles and we've

just kind of been following each other ever since.

Totally. Absolutely. We're at the end of 2022,

going into the beginning of 2023, and we're going

to be talking about The Tales of the Wolf, which

is your new graphic novel. Yes, thanks. So this

is a collection. Of all my comics most of which

are auto bio some of which are like history comics.

And a lot of these comics have been only web

comics so many of them have never before ever

appeared in print. Right i wanted to do a collection

for for a while. And finally the the stars aligned

at first you know i wanted to do a collection.

But I said to myself, I won't do a collection

until I have enough stories that, you know, that

it would that would justify a collection. So

it's a collection of short stories. And now the

book is 225 pages of stuff. I've did I've done

I've written and drawn four stories for The New

York Times that are comics for The New York Times.

Once in a while, they will run comics. They just

need to be almost like a newspaper article in

comic form. Yep. And yeah, it's a whole lot of

stuff. There's a lot of comics, autobiographical

stories from when I lived in Brooklyn. I lived

in Greenpoint, Brooklyn for 22 years. And there's

just so many stories from anthologies, one -offs.

And I wanted to put a back matter section in

because I always like when a book has back matter.

illustrations that aren't stories or sketchbook

material and all that kind of stuff. I don't

mind if back matter is like you're saying, like

either the sketches of the covers or alternate

covers or whatever. But I'm just going to call

them out because they, I know both companies

do this a lot, but DC is the one that I read

the most that they will put backup stories in

to their books. And I'm like, I want, okay, you

gave me, let's say, 20 something pages of what

the story was supposed to be for whatever issue

it is. And then you want me to read this completely

separate thing in the same, don't do that. I'm

not a fan of, of having backup stories, but I

don't, I love, that's why I love trade paperbacks

because in trade paperbacks, they will throw

in every, you know, most places will throw in

almost every behind the scenes thing you can

think of from alternate covers or other covers

or exclusive, you know, covers or sketches. sketches

or drawings or how the covers are made or letters

from the the creators and things like that so

i love that kind of stuff yeah i always think

that stuff is a lot of fun the back matter and

so i wanted to really play with it and have fun

since the whole story i'm like this indy comics

guy this is the whole book is this indy comics

thing i also threw in and i like when books do

this i threw in some childhood artwork Right

for a kid. I always got to get out of it when

like Alex Ross would show his childhood drawings,

you know. So we have I didn't want to put too

much childhood artwork in there because I didn't

want it. I thought that would be too self -indulgent,

but there's a couple of things in there. Yep.

Yeah, it's a lot of cool stuff. And like I said,

folks, I've read most of this. What I have read

is a. Not completely finished version, because

apparently. Somebody at the printers stopped

the printer or something Yeah, so we had we had

some printer delays But what you have is the

like if if we did 7 .0 versions drafts you have

version 5 .0 or no you have version 6 .0 and

PDF We just we made like I gave Mike a PDF preview.

We just made a bunch of changes, you know to

tighten things up In the final and because we

were sort of in a rush to get it to the printer

because the printer might have had delays and

such We didn't do the the publisher whose name

is Eli Schwab of cosmic lion productions He has

a PDF of the truly final version, but we were

sort of you know We wanted to send it off real

quick, so I don't have a PDF of that I could

certainly get it from him, but I figured for

the purposes of you know for the show It's okay

if you have the 92 % completed version. Yeah.

And I only read up to like page 78 or seven.

Like I've read just past the McRib story, which

we will talk about in a minute, but I'm going

through. So what I do is when people send me

PDFs, yes, when I'm reading the PDF, I will read

it in read mode or whatever else. But I also

extract it and turn the things into separate

images. separate separate JPEG so I can just

look at it that way. And I'm looking at some

of this back art and I'm like, okay, how much

do I have to pay you to get a full version of

this Knight Rider image? It was just it was a

sketchbook thing for fun. I'll send you one for

free, man. That's that's easy. Oh my God, you

have no idea. And I'm gonna help. I guess people

just don't pay attention to me, but I have been

a Knight Rider fan since I was, I don't know,

four years old. Oh wow. Okay. Oh yeah. And it's,

yeah, absolutely. I met the man when I was six

years old. There's a famous picture. Yeah. There's

a, I'll have to tag you in the picture on Facebook.

Yeah. Yeah. There's a picture of him and me.

And so because I have cerebral palsy on my right

side, the picture is us. with the thumbs up in

our left hands. And he is basically putting his

hand over my right hand that has the brace. Oh

my God. It was like freaking just dream come

true meeting David Hasselhoff in his prime. So

anytime, yeah. Anytime I see any Knight Rider

stuff, I'm like, Hey, I know that. Yeah, Knight

Rider was really fun. I actually You know, there's

so many TV networks now that replay old reruns.

And I was flipping around like two weeks ago

and I saw a Knight Rider episode and I'm watching

it for like 20 minutes and it's Gina Davis in

the episode. It's a very young, super young Gina

Davis as a guest star. Do you know that episode?

Oh, yeah. I don't. Yeah. Kat burglar or something.

Yes, yes. Oh, yes, that's the is that the episode

where her father was was Jaime from gets a dick

got a might be might be. Yeah. So yeah, I know

which episode you're talking about. It was wild.

I was like, Oh, my gosh, this is Gina Davis before

anyone knew who Gina Davis was really, you know?

Yeah. I just watched this the other day as an

old clip, because I'm subscribed to the Johnny

Carson Tonight Show YouTube channel or whatever,

and they put an old clip. So it was an old interview

right before I forget which movie she had coming

out, but it was like an old interview, like a

really old interview with a young Sally Field.

And Sally Field has pretty much looked the same

age. Yes, you know since Forrest Gump kind of

thing, you know, so But I saw that I'm like,

oh my god, I have never seen this. This is amazing

This is this is random. But do you know who Bruno

Kirby is the actor? I think I've heard the name

but I'm not sure He was a character actor in

tons of stuff. He was in city slickers most notably

But he's in everything anyway, Bruno Kirby I

was flipping through again randomly these old

channel networks, and there was an episode of

Columbo with Patrick McGuinn, who's the prisoner,

if you know that kind of world, and Secret Agent

Man. But anyway, a very, very young Bruno Kirby

is in it with a pretty big part as a military

cadet. And I was like, oh my God, Bruno Kirby

was a big like 80s star primarily, 80s films.

Anyway, it was just so funny when you see these

You know network shows from the 70s and you see

a baby version of of someone we know now Yeah,

absolutely, it's it's so so crazy And you said

you have it you have a story about The death

of Jason Todd the phone death of Jason Todd you

voted to kill him One of the things in this book,

Tales from the Wolf, is a comic book story about

my experience voting to kill Jason Todd. But

did you vote to have him live? No, that's the

thing. I was eight years old. I was more of a

cartoon kid than a comic kid. It had no consequence

on me. And plus, at that time, it was 1 -900.

And anything 1 -900 was forbidden. Yes. Until

they, until they changed it to be an 800 number,

but yeah, no, I, no, I, and that's the thing.

That's part of the write -up that I did for,

for the website where it's like, the title is

I never cared about Jason Todd until now. And

then the until now part is because Sean Gordon

Murphy is writing his white night universe over

at DC and he, yeah. So he has. Basically he accidentally

mixed up the Robbins. So in his universe, Jason

was first. Dick was second. So yeah, it's been,

you know, that as far as, you know, that, that,

that kind of thing. So it's like, Oh, you voted

to kill him. And I just had no, I had nothing

on it. Yup. And I see you started a discussion

on Twitter about. You know, people sharing their

memories of the death. Yeah. So I did that before.

Yeah. Before I, I wrote up the little blurb that

I wrote up for the article. I was like, I want

to get people's opinions on what happened because

I, like I said, I had no knowledge of it. Right.

Wasn't, wasn't anywhere. I was eight years old

at in 1988. I was more interested in the turtles

than anything else. Totally. That makes sense.

Yeah. You know, so. I don't know. So, did you

always want to be an actor? Was that your ultimate

goal when you were a kid? What did you want to

be when Tiny Tony was a kid? I'm a weird mix.

I didn't really know what I wanted to be necessarily

when I was a kid. I was very into drawing. I

was very into writing my own comics. I think

from a pretty young age, I kind of... I kind

of mostly wanted to be an illustrator or an artist.

But at the same time, I was a huge, as many of

us are right, a huge pop culture fan, TV, movies,

music, everything. And deep down, I kind of always,

I kind of wanted to be an actor, but it seems

so unlikely that I just didn't. Really admit

that to myself fully like it was a fantasy that

just seemed too unreal I'd read any I read a

I heard an interview with Bob Odenkirk recently

and he said something similar like in his childhood

It just didn't seem like it was a real job. Like

it did not compute like how do people get to

be actors? But another thing that was an influence

I think on me my dad was a professional voiceover

actor for a while in the 80s That was not his,

he was not a lifelong actor, but my father has

a voice that sounds like this. And everything

he said is like, it's effortless. For me, I have

to put a little effort in to drop my voice that

low. But my father, whose name is Bob Wolf, he

just sounds like this. And at the time, that

was really the hot voiceover style. So my dad

was a salesman who worked in the medical field,

but he eventually started doing voiceovers because

people... Like said you got to go do voiceovers.

You have a good voice for this and so about for

about five years he did voiceovers and he did

a few commercials that were kind of big and and

I think that That definitely like made an impression

on me, you know I was like my dad seems to be

doing these voiceovers and that was kind of acting

right, but but I was also an enormous fan of

any Geeky TV and movies at all. So But in my

teenage years, I really wanted to be an illustrator.

And in my teenage years, I was like, I'm going

to be an artist for Marvel or DC. That was my

goal. And I thought that the acting, which I

was increasingly doing in high school, junior

high school and high school, I was singing, I

was acting, I thought, well, the acting stuff

is just for fun. I really want to be an illustrator.

And so I was, you've heard of this, there was

the official Marvel tryout book. Have you heard

of that? Yeah, I remember. So I got that I tried

drawing a story and it pretty much sucked and

I think I knew it sucked at the time and But

I was very I would read all these interviews

in magazines like amazing heroes or the comics

journal Anytime I could read an interview about

how the comics were made I would devour all of

those and I would read John Byrne talking about

his plans and how he wrote and drew And I was

like that's gonna be me. I'm gonna be writing

and drawing my own stuff And then when I went

to college, I sort of got more into acting and

fell a little bit out of love with the idea of

being an illustrator. The main thing is drawing

is very solitary. It's just like, I'm sure with

your work, right? I mean, you do archiving podcasts

and editing podcasts. It's just you. So it can,

it can sometimes feel a little bit isolating.

Have you ever experienced that or? For me, it's

more about, so I'm just over my 14th anniversary

of podcasting. By the time this comes out at

the end of the year, 2022, I celebrated that

on December 12th. Thank you. Thank you. And you

know, I, that's what I do. I don't have like,

because of my, because of my disabilities, because

of things in my life that I can't control anymore.

I never had control of them in the first place.

It's kind of hard to, you know, do a nine to

five when you can't even really use your right

hand kind of, you know, kind of thing. So it's

like. What am i gonna do well okay i've got my

left hand i've got my voice i've got my ears

i kind of have my eyes because i'm legally blind

but it's like you know whatever yes that's great

yeah i have all the time in the world even though

it kills me sometimes when i'm editing podcasts

when i like if i have to edit something that's

two or three hours long which we rarely do those

shows but like you know when we do those shows

i'm sitting here like. And now I'm like starting

to break it up. Okay. I'll edit an hour here.

I'll take a break. I'll come back an hour later,

edit the next day, you know, whatever. But normally

I'm sitting here, you know, 11, 12 hours a day.

Editing or recording or plant. Like I said, I

am a podcast machine. I, it is what I do. And

yeah, you're right. It is very, it is very solitary

in the fact that. I'm listening back to conversations.

I just had because I want to make sure that those

conversations Can sound the best that I can get

them to sound like I don't want exactly because

you have that you have that dedication to quality

and that drive and Yeah, and working by yourself,

it's it's it's a mix right a lot of time It's

really fun to just zone out put on some music

or whatever you do and just focus on the task,

right? Yep. And it's just one of those things

where for me, it's a little different now because,

you know, for four and a half years, my even

though she's no longer here, my lovely wife and

I, you know, we found this balance of like she

knew I was a podcaster. She knew I spent all

of my time pretty much doing this, but I found

a way and we found a way to where. Like if she

wanted to take a nap or if she was like she she

was in accounting She was in bookkeeping and

things like that. So she had a nine -to -five

job kind of thing So like whenever she wasn't

home I could plan I could record during the day

or I could do this whatever if I needed to record

at night as long as we we found that time balance

of Between the times that I'm doing the podcast

stuff versus the time that we spent together

and now that she's no longer here I'm like And

this is an explicit podcast. Not that I'm going

to curse all the time, but it's just an emotional

point in the thing where it's like, I'm at a

point where, Oh fuck, what am I going to do with

all this time? Like I don't have that time split

anymore. I don't have, like, I don't have that

thing where I'm like, okay, I'm at a great place

in the podcast. Like I'm at the, the ad section

or whatever, where I insert other podcast ads

from other shows and whatever, where I could

save that. get up, go see her, go to lunch or

go to the like, I don't have that anymore. So

it's like, this is what I do. And I try to do

it the best I can. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry

about me. We're here to talk about you. Well,

I applaud you for, like you said, you this is

what you do. You're you're working hard at it.

You craft it to make it the best it can be, you

know. Yep. So so pretty much all you can do.

Yeah, that's all any of us can do. We just do

as much as we can, the best we can. So the long

story short is that I started to get a little

more into acting and a little bit less into wanting

to draw all the time. And so also the other thing

about illustration, I can draw decently, but

man, compared to the masters or the people that

are working at DC and Marvel on a regular basis,

I feel like I'm an amateur. You have to be able

to draw almost anything from almost any angle.

You know what I mean? If the writer writes a

crazy scene with all these different things,

you have to execute that. And what I found when

I started doing my own comics, I have a sort

of a built -in crutch or a trick, if you will.

If you write the stories, like I do most of my

stories, You can write to your strength as an

artist you don't mean like i know i'm not great

at drawing cars so you don't see a lot of cars

in my store. I just you know i think a lot of

people you wanna be a rock star you wanna be

a baseball player or. I think sometimes when

people hit college they they start to realize

alright maybe i'm not quite good enough to do

this. You know. At the professional level right

now or maybe I don't want it bad enough I do

I think if I had gone to an art school and solely

if I had doubled down on uh on drawing And just

said i'm gonna be an artist. That's it. I'm making

the decision I think I've had if I had gone to

art school I would have maybe been competent

enough or skilled enough to maybe have a shot

in comics professionally but You know when acting

you you use your body and your voice which already

exist and you use Like it's almost like self

-expression with your body and your voice but

withdrawing You have to create a whole world

on the paper And you have to be able to draw

things like I said from any angle all kinds of

scenes and situations and keep it interesting

and I just thought I want to use the instrument

I have, my body, my voice, and the drawing I'll

just do for fun. So it kind of flipped. In teenage

years, I thought I'm going to be a professional

illustrator for comics and the acting is for

fun. And when I went to college, it was like

the drawing is for fun and I'm going to try to

make a go of it as an actor. And essentially,

my 20s and 30s, I did a lot of acting, theater,

small, tiny film commercials. And by the time

I had 40, I was like, well, I'm not I'm not like

a full time working actor. I'm not massively

successful or anything by age 40. And so I started

to look at doing comics again, maybe just as

a passion project. Right. And so I'm 51 now.

Age 40 is when I was like, all right, time to

do some comics, because I also had free time.

Right. I was single. I wasn't getting lots of

acting jobs. So I had some free time and I thought,

well, I can use the free time at least trying

to write and draw some short stories. So that

was, that was the evolution. Yeah. And it's,

it's a great, so like we said in the beginning

of this folks, you know, part of this is, is

Tony's green point of view series where he's

talking about living in green point and it's.

It's a memoir. It's, you know, your your life

story. It's your trip to work, which, holy crap,

you worked in the World Trade Center. Yeah. So

with a lot of these auto bio stories, right.

I've been reading auto bio comics for many years.

I think seventh grade was when I discovered Harvey

Picard, Dean Haspiel, people who are writing

and drawing autobiographical stuff. And so when

I set out to do my stories, I was like, all right,

I've already read so many of these. Right. Just

like if you were to write superhero stories,

you'd be like, I've read 20 years of superhero

stories. I tried to write stuff that was hopefully

trying to be unique. Like most auto bio stories

I joke were about, like, how I couldn't get a

girlfriend or, you know, and and I had I couldn't

get a girlfriend for the longest time and I had

dating problems and, you know, it was, you know,

But I thought, I've already read the girlfriend

dating stories. So I made a concern, even though

I was single and I was having those same problems,

right? I was like, I'm going to not do that.

I don't want to lean on that. We've already read

a million like depressed artists, depressed dating

stories or unless I had a great funny dating

story, which I thought was unique, which I didn't.

I tried to do other stories. So one of these

stories. Is about getting a ticket from police

at two in the morning on a subway in Manhattan?

Because I put my feet up on a totally empty car

So and I thought all right what happened in that

event in my life Was it was a funny story like

I would tell it at parties and it would it would

get a good response So my litmus test was if

the story is interesting enough to me that when

I tell it to someone at a party It seems like

they think it's a unique story. That could be

a story for the comics. So I did work at the

World Trade Center in 1999 as a receptionist

at a law firm back when, you know, the World

Trade Center was just a building like any other.

We didn't think there would be some. I mean,

it was cool to go into the building and to be

in that building. And it was obviously, you know,

I had a view from the. from the 40th floor where

I worked of the Statue of Liberty because I was

a receptionist, so I would have this beautiful

view looking over the harbor. Right. Yeah. So

the story is about, you know, fighting a it's

kind of like fighting a silly parking ticket

or something, you know, fighting a subway ticket

that I thought was a little ridiculous. But I

thought the fact that I worked at the World Trade

Center, I thought that would be an element in

the story that I could draw and that I could

include. Sadly, history being what it is now,

then it would give the story an added element,

like a historical element. That's why I was like,

again, it was one thing. I know some things about

you, which we'll talk about in a little while,

but I didn't know everything about your life.

That's the point of this memoir is you're showing

people parts of your life, at least the first,

the Greenpoint stories. I didn't know about this,

so I was like, Holy crap. He worked in the world

trades. Oh boy Yes, we all know what happened

20 years ago and yeah, and I also thought as

a writer I thought it would be interesting to

have a story that has working in the World Trade

Center But the whole story is not about that,

right? No, it's not no like that's that's where

that's your destination but the story is What

happens going to the destination it again? It's

the journey that is the story more so than the

destination. And yeah, man, I thought it might

be interesting because, you know, people who

are actors or people who are artists, they very

often have other jobs. You know, we call our

survival jobs or our day jobs. Right. I mean,

I know there's so many people. There's a really

good writer in comics who's on social media named

Mario, Mario Candelaria. And he's like me. He

works a day job and he writes comics at night

and nights and weekends. And I write and draw

comics on nights and weekends. There's so many

of us like that. So I thought it would also be

interesting to tell like I was I work at a law

firm at this point in my history. I was at a

receptionist at a law firm. I just thought it

would be interesting to include a little of that.

I haven't. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, good. I haven't

seen a lot of There's a very small subsection.

There are there are some but there's not a lot

of people who are in comics Trying to be professional

or indie who are also actors. It's kind of a

weird like, you know, there are some There's

a guy named Jeffrey Lewis who's he's not an actor

But he's a pretty you know a somewhat successful

rock musician who also writes and draws his own

autobiocomics And so I was like, I was always

trying to fit into my comics. Like, I'm an actor

also, because I just think it's a weird like

subset, you know, and and through the years gotten

to know, oh, I'm an actor also, and I also do

comics. And then it's like, oh, you found a friend

who also has this weird like subset, you know.

Yeah. And it's one of those things where it's

it's a part of it's two halves of your creativity,

like Yes, I've said before, you know, I'm quote

unquote, just about a year and a half away from

the 30th anniversary of when I started writing

poems when I was 14 in 1994. Oh, wow. That's

really cool. You know, so I started writing poems

in, in middle school when I was 14 and I was

in a bad place at the time with, with, with a

couple of step things going on in my life and

whatever else and, and, and all that. And I just

started, and I, my poetry style is it's not haiku.

It's not this, it's not. I am the cantameter.

It's just basically free verse. If I rhyme, I

rhyme. If I don't, I don't, it's basically just

spoken word, but it's split into like poet, like.

The one thing I got out of learning about how

to write poetry is you, you can either do or

do not do stanzas. So five, 10, 15, whatever.

And you just tell a story, basically short stories

in those five lines of each of the things and

you make it, you know, be whatever. But the writing,

even though I have three books of poetry published,

they were published from 2007 to 2009. I don't

ever really, it doesn't ever really come up because

I never, I didn't know what to do with it back

then. I didn't know how to get off the ground

with it back then, because back then it was,

well, in 99, when I first looked into it, it

was, Hey, we're a subsidy publisher. You pay

us $5 ,000 and we'll do all the work. Like you

don't ever want to go to a subsidy publisher

folks. You don't want to have, you know, no,

no, no, don't do that. I didn't, I didn't know

that was, I didn't know that was called a subsidy

publisher. That's interesting. Well, that's what

it was called at the time. I think that's what

I remember. Uh, I, I'd have to relook up the

definition and whatever else, but you know, so

I'm like, Oh, okay. And I actually just found

I'll have to put it on Twitter or Instagram,

but it's around here somewhere. Well, so I have

two or three of the published books, but I also

have binders and Before the published books happened

in 07 to 09, I did what anyone else used to do

back in the day. You print out a bunch of pieces

of paper, you put them together in the order

you want to put them in. You take them to Kinko's,

you make copies and you put them into the bind.

I have two binders. Yes. Oh, that's awesome.

Just make a bunch of copies and yeah. But like

the writing part of me, even though I've written

articles on the website, whatever else, that's

not who I feel I am. It's still part of my creativity,

but I never really have that. Like in 2019, I

started doing TF2 and Mike 365 where the goal

was from January 1st to December 31st. I was

going to write one blog entry a day. Okay. And

it kind of skipped around. throughout 2019 and

things like that. I didn't actually ever finish

it, but like that was a goal I wanted to set

for myself because I wanted to be able to do

something with writing on our website besides

all the podcasts I do. But basically ever since

December 12th of 2008, I consider myself a podcaster.

I've always been one and since then, and I always

will be one. Do I still consider myself a writer?

Not really. I mean, I guess I am since I am published.

But like, what does that mean? I mean, it doesn't

really like it has like, I don't even think you

can buy the books anymore. Like, I don't even

think they're, you know, but you have copies,

I'm sure. Yeah, I have copies of all three of

them. But like, and that's, and that's great.

That's part of my history. And that's awesome.

But like, I'm not out, I don't even know where,

like, I have this story in my head, and I've

told various people this story. And some, some

people are like, Hmm, that's that that's interesting

or oh my god, don't you dare. So basically what

I want to do is Take the you've seen Tron legacy,

right? You know, it's funny. I've never seen

it Yes, and it doesn't matter if you really have

seen the movie or not, but basically in the movie

when they find Jeff Bridges is Kay, you know

when they find Kevin Flynn and whatever else

and You know, he learned, he learns of wireless

interlinking of digital devices. Oh, we thought

of that in 1982. So my thought for a story is.

Everything that's happened in our history, except

the internet started in 1978. Okay. Our society

be now. Like we all know that the internet has

basically devolved society with social media

and everything else and all this, but like if

we had it. 40 or 50 years ago, where would we

be today? Would we still be where we are kind

of thing? And some people just are like, horrified,

like, oh, Mike, no, don't don't do that. Well,

but it's interesting. It's almost like dystopian

science fiction. You wonder where we would. It

would be interesting to see someone's someone's

creativity about where would we be? Yeah, exactly.

And, you know, with your autobiographical parts

of the comic here, it's like, oh, you know, I

just read, and we'll cover it over on our comic

podcast at some point, I just read Finding Batman

by Kevin Conroy, even though Kevin Conroy passed

away this year. He wrote that story for DC Pride

this year, where he was, you know, talking about

how he came to be the voice of Batman. And that's,

you know, anytime I see these Mostly black and

white stories where it is, you know, the, the

autobiographical stuff. I'm like, Oh, this is

cool. Oh, this is great. This is this. Yeah.

And with your story, like I love how the art

transitions the end of the subway part. And it's

like the, the daily news cops are really ticking

us off. That's a real page from the newspaper.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. Okay, so I thought it

was funny because I had just moved to Brooklyn

after college and I Had been living in Brooklyn

and Greenpoint in that same apartment. I had

been living there about eight months and or maybe

three months and I I had this experience and

I ended up in the newspaper and I thought wow

I'm really gonna be famous because I'm in the

newspaper after only being here for a few months.

And, you know, it didn't turn out quite that

way. But I thought it was so funny that I thought

I have to put this actual news print. I have

to put a Xerox of the Daily News newspaper page.

I have to put that in the comic because I also

like I like when comics occasionally they stick.

They literally cut and paste. like there's a

page from a magazine and they just shove it into

the comic book page itself. I always think that

was funny. And it's such a goofy picture of me

just looking at the camera like, hey guys. So

I had to show the reader that it was a real daily

news page with the date on there visible as well.

Yeah, no, absolutely and you kind of have on

the right side of your head you kind of have

a cross between The Dick Grayson haircut and

the Superman curl Yes, exactly And and so I thought

and what would be funny what would you know,

so I put some hand lettering there You don't

mean like I had some hand lettering on the page

Yeah, just to remind people that it's a comic

book, you know, it's a comic page Yeah, yeah,

it's a it's a comic book page with a newspaper

outline kind of thing and you you lean into it

Very well because on the previous page setting

it up It says the photographer asked to take

a picture of me with my feet stretched out like

they were on the subway He had just come from

taking pictures of JFK jr. Dot dot dot. Oh boy,

and he's a tiny breakfast event what I saw printed

was, and then you have the... Yes. That was my

attempt to have like a page turn reveal, you

know? Yeah, no, it works. It absolutely works.

I mean, because I completely forgot that it was

an actual newspaper clipping that's in a comic

book. I didn't forget that this was a comic.

I forgot that it was an actual newspaper. I'm

like, oh, wow. Tony really went all out on that.

Like, oh, wait, no, he didn't. That's a crazy

dream. And that's also why I hand illustrated

the Daily News logo on that page to try to like,

you know, take the reader between the two worlds.

The funniest thing was, yeah, this guy came to

my house from the newspaper, took pictures of

me. And he had just come from taking pictures

of, like, famous people. And I thought, how silly

is this? Like, you know, he's coming to some

random guy's apartment to take a picture. So

it was just very funny. Anyway, I thought that

photo would I thought that people in Manhattan

would say, look at this guy, he's clearly an

actor. Look at the Superman girl. You got to

give him that. But what were you going to say?

Here's my glam shot. No, and then you go to fight

the ticket and the guy is like, learn to take

a hint, kid. He was done with me 10 minutes ago.

That's like me. I will go on a tirade or a rant

or whatever and I'll just keep talking and talking

and talking and people are like, you should have

shut up like 10 minutes ago. Yes. My wife would

tell you the same thing. that's a trait maybe

maybe it's part of being a geek right we get

very enthusiastic about about our points that

we make yep absolutely and it was very fun by

the way to draw an old tape recorder there's

a scene where i have to draw an old tape recorder

i was like i'm gonna put as much detail into

this old tape recorder as i can and you did i

mean I can almost see, whoa, no, I can see it.

Wow. You know, I'm surprised you're not gonna

get sued by half these companies because I can

see the Panasonic written on there. Well, it's

a story about history, you know, these existed

in history. Yep, exactly. So, but yes, it's a

perfect example of like going on too long and

the other person is like, okay, we get it. Yep.

That missed it. No, that's not mr. Pitt. Oh,

it's dr. Okay What's that? I'm looking at the

soda in the pizza story and I'm trying to figure

out if it's mr. Pibb tab or dr. Pepper. Oh I

I drew a dr. Pepper at one point. It's doc. Oh,

sorry. It's dr. Brown's. It's dr. Brown's black

cherry soda Okay, that's what it is. Are you

familiar with dr. Brown's? No, but The whole,

like the fact that you have a pizzeria story,

my aunt and uncle owned a pizzeria called Pizza

Pantry in Kingston, Massachusetts for about 10

years. And they didn't do the thin crust. They

did the Greek stuff. They did all the thick crust

and the this, that, and the other thing and everything

else. And so I'm reading this and I'm like, oh,

and obviously, you know, you. you have these

things in your life where you know these people

like Carmine and they're from a generation that

just doesn't exist anymore where you put in 16,

17, 18 hours a day, 70, 80, 90 hours a week.

You're there 24 hours a day. Eventually, when

I die, somebody's going to have to take the headphones

off my head because I'll probably die recording

a podcast. Yeah. You know. Oh, totally. Totally.

It's just it's just one of those things. And

this story, man. Oh, it's so good, folks. When

you read, I know we're kind of spoiling the hell

out of most of Tony stories in this book. That's

OK. They're not they're not like twist ending

stories. True. But still, you know. But it's

so cool and so fun to see you put together this

memoir slash homage to things that affected you

in your life. Well, thank you, man. Yeah, it's

very, very awesome. And everyone is going to

want to check out Tales from the Wolf by Tony

Wolf. I know you have some other collaborators,

but I don't have the... title page. So the main

the main collaborator is the colorist who colored

I would say like most of the book goes by Griffin

now like a pen name Griffin like like the mythological

Griffin. Yep. And Griffin is terrific. They colored

so much of the book. And in fact, they colored

so much that I've noted where other people colored

it. It's like all things colored by Griffin except

as otherwise noted. And so that's been terrific.

Great to work with Griffin. And I would provide

a bunch of coloring notes and photo reference.

A lot of the stories did have photo reference.

And then you know, Griffin would would do a draft

of coloring, I would give sort of notes, almost

like a like a film editor and a director, right?

The director passes the footage off to the film

editor and says, Here's what I have in mind,

but see what you come up with. And then the editor

does a first pass. And then the director gives

says, Okay, that's a lock. Let's move on to the

next sequence. So Griffin, and also I don't know

Photoshop very well. I barely know it. Griffin

always helped me make, if I needed to move a

letter, I do all the lettering by hand. But sometimes,

you know, I did a crappy job centering the lettering.

And I would say I'd like this to be a little

more centered. Can you move it over to the left

or the right? And yeah, and Griffin also published

many comics of the first dead robin griffin published

the first edition of it many years ago i wanna

say in twenty fourteen. And griffin also published

a mini comic of the first two green point stories.

So that was really cool and good like i said

a lot of these things have not really been in

print very much so. I'm good to have it forever

well the goal was i really wanted. You know to

have this book and now that i'm fifty one i finally

have a book that is. So many you know two hundred

fifty pages or two hundred twenty five pages.

Everything in one in one paperback i think there's

one short story that i forgot to include. and

that's my own fault and it might be a short story

about um i have to see if it's in the final version

but i did a short story about watching the batman

animated series yes in my apartment and i i there

was one episode that was so cool you know they

would you remember they would the batman animated

series would run at like 10 a .m on a saturday

yep so it was truly saturday morning cartoons

And my roommate was sleeping in the other room

and I would be like, whoa, no way. Oh, that's

so cool. And he came out and was like, hey, man,

I'm trying to get some sleep. All right. Like,

don't talk out loud to the TV. So I just thought

it was funny. Like, that's how into the Batman

animated series I was. Do you remember what episode

it was? Oh, yes. It was the episode called Over

the Edge. where it's all a dream, but they like

kill people. Like, doesn't Barbara Gordon die?

Yep. That's the, in my, I know other people are

going to say, you know, other things, but personally,

my top two favorite episodes and they, depending

on my mood, they will vary between number one

and number two or over the edge and old words,

but over the edge is the one, like you said,

it's where the scarecrow basically makes it look

like they killed Barbara and Jim finds out that

Bruce's Batman, you lied to me all these years.

Oh my gosh. Yes. And we've got, I know that story.

Like, like, I don't even have to watch the episode.

I could synopsize the whole thing. You know,

you got you got Nightwing coming in from Bloodhaven,

you got this going on, that going on. Soon as

Nightwing shows up in the boat and Lauren Lester

opens up his mouth and talks, I'm like, oh, OK,

time to pay attention. Let's go. Yeah. Yes. No,

over the edge is amazing. Absolutely loved that.

I couldn't believe it. And because the show didn't

typically do like dream sequence shows. Right.

I remember going down, I think, too. They did

Perchance to Dream, which is all Bruce's and

Batman's. Like, yes, my father, my this, my that.

And it's a great episode. I'm not trying to take

away from it, but it was that one. And it was

over the edge. I think those are the only two

in Batman, the animated series that they did.

Yes. So at the end of that story, I say in the

comic, I wonder if I'm the only person who like

woke up his roommate because that story blew

my mind so much. I highly doubt it because yeah,

right it's such a mind -blowing story and I love

when There are in anything comics cartoons movie

if there's a mind -blowing part of the story

You're just like slacked like your jaw is on

the floor. Like oh my god And I couldn't believe

the writers, you know until they reveal at the

end that it's it's mostly been a dream I couldn't

believe I just kept thinking They let the writers

do this. The Fox network let the writers put

this on the air. It was Fox. I mean, come on.

Yeah. Well, it's always it's always really impressive

when when a TV show or movie. The characters,

if there's like a simmering tension between people,

suddenly the characters like have it out. You

know what I mean? They they say the dramatic

thing that you thought they would never say or.

whatever the characters biggest insecurity is

they suddenly focus on that and people you know

i that episode was a lot of very gutsy gutsy

moves by the writers you know absolutely well

you know they needed to do something at that

point because that point was it was either i

think it was either the new the the adventures

no it was new adventures it was I forget. So

they had changes. I think that was New Adventures.

Yeah, I think you're right. New Adventures era.

Yeah. And yeah, because it was that styling.

It was the black bat and all that. It was close

to the end of the whatever, the end of the run.

And yes, why not? Why not do a story like that?

Why not do a story exploring what would happen

if Basically basically the distinguished competition

is taking the Marvel route what if Yes, Batman's

identity was compromised or what if Barbara Gordon

got shot and everybody found out Bruce Wayne

was Batman and Batman blah blah blah and Yeah,

no, it's it's it was such a guy. I love that

episode. So good. So yes So that you know, I

think We went through so many revisions of the

book. You know what I mean? It's I don't know

when you when you published your your poetry

Like we went through, you know Just going over

and over the drafts of the the book and what

order should things be in and we tried to have

little little section separators Yeah, like like

trade paperbacks will do that right in between

a story They'll have like a a super enlarged

close -up of a panel And that'll be a section

separator. Yep. So we had a lot of fun, you know,

putting that kind of stuff together for this

book. We tried to class it up. We tried to make

it a little classy. Yeah. The books of poetry

that I did end up publishing most of the poems

like they weren't like I put them. I. I think

I'd have to go grab it and find and look, but

I think they were just in alphabetical order.

Like I don't think there was a specific like

this story has to be this way. This this one

has to come before that. It was just like alphabetical

order. So there was no specific like story. It

was just, you know, do it that way. It's the

easiest way to do it from A to Z. There you go.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's very cool. So we we had

some printer delays. So the book I thought it

would be out by now, but the book is now shipping

to the publisher, and then the publisher will

send it out to various people who ordered it

and such. But I'll get you a physical copy, a

free physical copy, once I have my stash. No,

come on, man. You've read this stuff all these

years. I would like to, I'll definitely send

you that. Awesome, very cool, very cool. And

also, going back to the acting thing, I was,

like most of us were in the beginning, Few years

ago everyone was was obsessed with the blacklist

and Tom and Elizabeth Keene and Red Reddington

and all of that. They were just about to kind

of not really kill the show off, but they were

in a point where it went to a season finale or

whatever it was. And we find out that Femke Jansen

is Tom's mom and or whatever it was. And, and

the next thing, you know, guess what? We're going

to go the lower route and we're going to have

a separate series called the blacklist redemption.

And I'm, I'm following people on Twitter and

I'm looking at my Twitter timeline. All of a

sudden I see. at Tony Wolf in this tweet. Oh,

by the way, I have a very, very small part in

season one, episode one of the Blacklist. I'm

like, wait, what? I know somebody that's in an

NBC show. Holy crap. That's amazing. Well, the

fact that it was fam kid Jensen too. I was like,

of course we remember her as Jean Grey in the

movie. Yep. Yep. And so when I was there filming.

I when I was there filming I hoped I would get

to meet her or briefly you know say hi to her

say quick right hello something but she was uh

I think she was on set but she was not around

when I filmed my scene she might have been off

I think I heard she was in her trailer prepping

for her next scene or something but I remember

thinking like uh wouldn't it be great to at least

like get a picture or meet her or something but

but that didn't work out now the guy who was

the lead Redemption blacklist redemption the

guy who plays Tom he's now the lead on that show

new Amsterdam yeah. So it was just funny he was

super nice he was very polite he was very friendly

he also was all business cuz he had you know

he's the lead of the show so he was like working

hard on his scene in his bed but he was super

friendly and very nice and it's cool to see that

he has his own other show now. Absolutely. And

a friend of mine, a friend of mine just shot

this guy named Rob Figueroa just shot a nice

scene as a surgeon on New Amsterdam. And I don't

know, I don't think he I don't think he was in

the scene with the Tom actor. And I'll have to

ask him that actor's name, by the way, who played

Tom is Ryan Eggold. Yep. Yep. But yeah, it was

really fun to do. But it was fun. When you when

you do acting jobs, you get what's called a call

sheet. And the call sheet is for the crew. And

it's all the listings of the actors who will

be there that day. And every member of the crew,

right, lighting, sound, costume, the doctor,

if someone gets hurt, there's a doctor always

on call. And so I have a call sheet with my name

is like four names under Famke Jansons. And I

was like, that's amazing. That's awesome. There's

some other like big deal person to who is in

that episode. Anyway, it was a lot of fun. It

was a little, you know, when you're an actor

also, sometimes your stuff gets cut or sometimes

it gets cut down shorter than you expected due

to the editing. Right. Yeah. And you know that

as a podcast editor, right? You can't include

everything you have to cut stuff sometimes. Well

more so I cut around like if I screw up or or

whatever or if there's you know If we need to

take breaks or that kind of thing, you know You

always cut around that stuff because nobody needs

to hear any of that kind of stuff Yeah, nobody

needs to hear dead air. Like I mean, I know podcasting

is not radio But dead air is still dead air and

nobody wants to hear that Yep, exactly Exactly,

but it was if only I project my voice like screaming

from the other room like I'm But to be on a show

that that technically Famke Janssen was also

in was was a real thrill and You know Ryan's

no slow. I mean Ryan was friggin Tom Keane, you

know I mean, you know Tom Keane is a character

was was amazing was so cool and so fun and and

and so interesting and Yeah, as soon as she popped

up as his mother I'm like, holy crap he has Yeah,

he has Zenia on a top as his mother Yeah, yeah

That is the first thing I saw her in. And the

next thing I saw her in was Rounders with Matt

Damon and John. Oh, yeah, I love Rounders. Rounders

is a terrific, terrific movie. Yes. Rounders

is amazing. I love that film. So, you know, it's

funny with actors, too. You wonder, like, because,

look, actors, no matter how successful they are,

unless they're at the Brad Pitt level, they go

through times of not always, you know, like Famke

Jansen, I was just wondering, like, what is she

up to lately? And I think looks like she's doing

a lot of smaller, smaller movies, smaller TV

shows. But it goes in and out, you know what

I mean? She was in a really cool Netflix series,

How to Get Away with Murder, which is a big show.

So it looks like she's done well. Sometimes I

feel worried for total strangers. I'm like, I'm

a little worried about Famke. I hope she's getting

enough acting work, you know. And then I say

to myself, it's silly that I'm like worried about

these total strangers. I hope they're getting

enough income and work, but I guess you would

imagine the residuals from all the movies she

has done, that'll keep you going pretty well.

Yeah, absolutely. I'm trying to see like if this

was like a like based. So she's got something

coming up or it already happened or whatever.

She has a part in, uh, she has a recurring part

as Dr. Melinda Beringer in, uh, Long Slow Exhale,

which is an American women's basketball drama

television series created by Pam Weasley. or

VC for Spectrum. When I saw the title, I'm like

long slow exhale. That kind of reminds me of

a long kiss good night with Samuel Jackson and

Gina Davis. But it's completely, it has nothing

to do with that. Josh Lucas is in this long,

long, slow exhale. And Josh Lucas, didn't he

play, who's the rival boyfriend in the first

Ang Lee Hulk movie? Oh, yes, I think. Yeah, who's

like, who's trying to go after Betty in the whole

comics? Oh, any major or sergeant major or something?

Let's see. Something. But I don't. Yeah. Oh,

Glenn Talbot is the major Glenn Talbot. Yes.

Yeah. It's so funny, too. We are truly in a golden

age of superhero movies, right? I mean, we we're

seeing. Back then, you never thought you'd see

Glenn Talbot in a movie, but now it's like Doctor

Strange, Doctor Strange 2, so many characters,

werewolf by night, they all have their own shows.

Yeah, absolutely. And it just surprises me, like

what some of the people like you usually know,

like one actor from one. OK, you know, you can

take your Tom Cruise's or like you said earlier,

your Brad Pitt's. But like, yes. You know, take

Famke Jansen, and I'm not trying to take anything

away from her career, but like I said, the first

two things I think of are Goldeneye and Rounders,

and obviously the third thing, the most popular

thing she did was Jean Grey. But like those are

the three things I know her as, like I don't

really know her from anything that she's done

kind of thing. So she's one of those actors who's

like, you know, but it's fine with that kind

of acting because you have Things that they've

done where it's like that affected you and you

looking like I might go watch GoldenEye after

we're done with this. I don't know. It's just

one of those things where it just depends on

how these people who are doing this job who are

embodying these characters. It just depends on

how they affect us and yes. You know, it's just

yeah, and eventually we're supposed to you know,

we'll get new Marvel movies with the x -men like

we asked we needed re everything Yeah, 20 years

later But also Regarding this book. I'm just

I'm very thankful to Eli Schwab who's the the

head honcho of cosmic lion productions because

he You know, he brought the whole book together

and it was just really fun to work with Eli on

this and he's got He's publishing a whole lot

of indie books now that are really, really fun.

Very cool. Very cool. That is, that is awesome.

That is so cool. I did an interview over on the

pull bag and the reason why this is on Geocast

Radio, folks, is this is kind of a combination.

This isn't my usual. I, back in 2013, when we

started the pull bag, I didn't want it to just

be, and I've said that people listening to the

sound of my voice have heard this before, but

you haven't. I didn't want it just to be your

standard. Oh, we're going to review the Dark

Knight Returns. We're going to review this comic.

I wanted to have something extra to it, so I

created this thing called the Pull Bag Origins,

where at the time it was 25 questions about reading

comics, getting into and getting out of reading

comics and all that. In 2019, I expanded that

to 30 questions, and I've also expanded that

through other things. So now we have comics,

cartoons, toy collecting and podcasting, where

it's usually anywhere from 12. The toy one is

a little little rough toy ones usually the toy

one because I was like, Oh, I'm 42 years old

and 42 is the answer to everything. And I want

this to be as in depth as possible. Well, The

toy collecting episodes usually record about

two and a half, three hours because it's 42 questions

about toy collecting. It takes up a lot. Yeah.

Yeah. So it takes up a lot. It takes up a lot

of time, but it's like, you know, I wanted to

have something unique. So that's why this is

kind of like, Hey folks, this is my kind of pseudo

first time reunion with Tony. And we're talking

about his book, but I'm sure at some point. I'll

have him over on the pullback specifically to

tell his comic reading origin story kind of thing.

I would love to. Yeah, absolutely. And we can

just, you know, promote the book again there.

But my point in saying all this is over there.

I had a guy come on call, uh, named Rich Kozlowski.

Uh, and he does, uh, the he's done a bunch of

other things, but, uh, the current thing he's

done and published is a farm system. IDW publishing

is in print top shelf. And with top shelf, apparently

they like doing what Eli and Cosmic Lion likes

doing where it's like, we're going to publish

trade paperbacks. We're not going to publish

single. And if they do, if Cosmic Lion does publish

single issues, I'm sorry, this is the first time

I'm learning about them, but there are certain

comic companies out there that are not the big

two or others. that will just do the trade paperback

full story, full, like you said, 220, 200, whatever

page, you know, whatever it is. And I like that

because it's you get the whole thing in one go

and you can read that whole story. You don't

have to wait six months for the story to end.

Yes, exactly. So I think I think Cosmic Lion

has done maybe only one. I think they've done

a few instances of single issues, but I think

they, in my experience of them, they focus more

on, yeah, collections, paperbacks. Yep. Absolutely,

absolutely. All right, folks, we are going to

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312. Like I said, it's the end of 2022. Happy

end of the year, question mark. Happy beginning

of 2023, folks. Tony, we've been talking about

your book, Tales from the Wolf, but anything

else you want to promote, anything else you want

to say before I run through the closing? So I

would just say that you can pick up this paperback

collection of all my stuff at CosmicLionProductions

.com. So it's Cosmic Lion, the way you would

imagine Cosmic Lion would be spelled, CosmicLionProductions

.com. They're on Instagram. at Cosmic Lion. The

Instagram name does not have the word productions.

It's Eli Schwab, but he uses the handle Cosmic

Lion. And my Instagram and Twitter is Tony Wolfness.

The essence of me is my Tony Wolfness. My name

is just W -O -L -F with no E at the end. So my

Twitter and Instagram are Tony Wolfness. And

I'm on Facebook as just plain old Tony Wolf.

Yeah, there's no Virginia connection folks What's

the Virginia? Virginia wolf. Oh, yes. No, there's

only one. Oh I'm not literary fancy enough to

be Virginia wall Well, you know, it's kind of

like you know, you know, it's kind of like Babs

and Buster Bunny no relation. It's it's true,

right? Yeah Babs is not a cousin or anything

And the book might be in the new series, but

you never know that's true where they're doing

a new series Yeah, Tiny Toons Loonaversity is

supposed to be coming and they're not so but

they're supposed to be brother and sister stepbrother

and sister or something. Oh interesting. Okay

Yeah, the other thing about my paperback collection

of comics is that it's 20 bucks for 225 pages

or 30 bucks if you want to signed Addition with

a custom sketch of your choice. So cosmic line

productions is the place to go for that. And

that's, that's it for me. I'm also on IMDb, but

it's just Tony Wolf. And thank you. Thank you

so much for having me. Man, are you kidding me?

My podcasting dreams are just coming true. I

had a guy on a couple of times on two different

episodes. I had him on the comic show. I had

him on the podcasting show, but I was one of

the first guys I listened to. One of the first

guys I asked for podcast advice on how to do

all this crap. And it's like, you know, 1415

years later, dream come true, finally get to

record with him, you know, next number of years

later, from hearing you on a podcast, it's like,

oh, I kind of know that guy, we kind of talk,

I kind of pay attention to him, I kind of see

him in, you know, TV shows that I liked, and,

you know, stuff. So no, man, this is awesome.

And like I said, whenever the other guy that

the first guy you mentioned, Oh, Michael David

Sims. He runs, he's the publisher, the owner

over at earth -two .net. Oh, okay. He's been

podcasting for about, well, he's coming up on,

in 2004, it'll be 20 years of his website. In

2005, it'll be 20 years of his podcast. So I

had him on and the podcast approach thing over

on Studio 2009 is basically... I asked 30 questions

about listening to and or producing podcasts.

So one of these days, maybe I can bug producer

Mike to, you know, jump back into the action

room. I know it's funny. He's, uh, he's, he's

pretty steadfast. I was just talking with him

today. Actually, since you asked about it, he's

pretty steadfast in not revisiting the action

room, but You know, he enjoyed it. You know,

yeah. And that's fine. I'm saying like I could

have him or both of you on the studio show where

I the the subtitle of the show is podcast approach.

And I could ask you, you know, I could basically

say, you know, hey, here's a reunion of the action

room, but it's not actually the action. Yeah.

So it's like, you know, it's not really bringing

it back. It's more so reliving the history of

what it was. Yeah, I'll run it by him. He's I'll

run it by him. You never know. It's always worth

asking. He's got a movie he's finishing up. He

wrote and directed a feature film, a horror film.

It's sort of like sci fi horror. And so now he's

in post production for that movie. So maybe maybe

once that movie is out, he would also want to

promote the movie. You never know. I'll run it

by him. Yeah, absolutely. Alright folks, thank

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I don't know what I'm doing for threat It's the

end of the year folks. I'm kind of burnt out.

So So wait, this is episode 312. Yep Alright,

I love it. Well, thank you for having me on episode

312 Absolutely for now. I am TF2 and Mike with

Tony wolf. Thank you for listening until next

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