El Camino Review

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Hello and welcome to episode 194 point five of

geek cast radio, I'm of course TF2 on Mike Joining

me is Ryan the Alaskan Merkley. Alaskan? It's

not that cold up here yet. Just because you can

hear the heat on in the background when we first

started doesn't mean it's that cold yet. You

know what? Your heat, your AC, whatever, it really

does weird things to my recordings. Because I

will try to... remove it in the editing, your

voice still sounds like your voice and sounds

like fine. Meanwhile, I sound like my voice is

going through a robotic cheese grater. Which

is usually what my voice sounds like. Yes. So

194 .5, the reason why this is being done this

way is because I have a specific plan for GeekCast

Radio episodes 195 and 196 with a very special

across -the -pond guest. So very, very cool.

One of the only times I've recorded with someone

that's over in the UK. So there's that. But I

will tease that. I thought it was just because

you wanted to talk about the Breaking Bad movie

because it just came out. Yes, yes, yes. There

is that. It came out two weeks ago as of this

release date for this episode of the podcast.

Even though we're recording it basically the

Monday after it came out. Anyway. As he said,

we're gonna be talking about El Camino, a Breaking

Bad movie, a Netflix original, I think they?

Yeah, okay. It's on Netflix. It's a Netflix original

film, directed by Breaking Bad creator Vince

Gilligan, produced by Mark Johnson and a bunch

of other people written by Vince, obviously based

on Breaking Bad by Vince, starring Aaron Paul.

Another thing I want to get out of the way here,

folks, even though this episode won't air until

the 25th of October, as of this recording, and

as of us watching El Camino, one day after the

film was released, Robert Forster passed away.

It was actually day of. Was it really? Yeah,

it was that night. Oh, man! No, I was going to

mention it, too. Well, I was going to bring it

up because, again, like... Okay, so El Camino

comes out We are gonna spoil the hell out of

the film folks So if you haven't seen it yet

turn the podcast off, but this is the dedication

part for Robert Forster Robert Forster who plays

Ed slash Ed the vacuum cleaner salesman slash

fixer the disappear Mike was more the fixer.

This guy is the disappear as Vince Gilligan always

called him on the podcast. But yeah, okay It

sucks that he's gone, but he was great in this.

A, and then B, it's kind of nice that he went

out with a role that was written for him. So

as I've mentioned pretty much a billion other

times, I listened to the Breaking Bad podcast

where they go through every single episode, they

being the cast, creators, writers, directors,

editors, and just... break down how it got to

where it is and when they're talking about Ed

the character and having a disappear in season

five to help Walt Jesse Saul all find new identities

etc etc they wrote it with him in mind and he

was their first choice and they were ecstatic

to have him So it's kind of nice that his last

role gets to be something that was specifically

designed with him in mind, and he's great at

it. Right. So when this news hit, I had been

waiting. If you go back, folks, and you folks

will be able to do this because I'll put the

links in the show notes. You go back to our Breaking

Bad coverage over on Remote Control that Ryan

and I covered all five seasons of the show. Initially,

I was not a Breaking Bad fan. I've kind of become

one a little bit. I like the show. I kind of

like the later seasons of the show more than

the beginning, but it is what it is. Well, that's

a good proof. Well, right. So you can go check

that out. But like, I was excited for it. Like,

I'm like, ooh, Aaron Paul. Ooh, Jesse's. We're

gonna find out what happened to Jesse. We're

gonna find out this. We're gonna find out that.

and everything else. I was not really expecting

Robert to hap - I was not expecting the Ed character

to show up. I'm glad he did. And I'm glad that

he was, again, worked into the film's plot, so

it makes sense for Jesse to go to him. Um, it

just - when the - like, so I - whole point of

me saying this is I had been waiting. Like, I

checked at midnight Central Time Netflix to see

if it was up yet. I checked at 3 a .m. Central

Time Netflix to see if it... You have to watch

the films at 9 o 'clock in the morning Central

Time, so 10 Eastern, 9 Central in the morning

on the day that it came out. And I watched it

as soon as I saw it was ready. I was like, hey,

boom. And then after that, obviously, we find

out the news that he passed away. Where I know

Robert mainly, yes, everyone's going to cite

Jackie Brown. But for me, he was Peter Fasinelli's

character, Van Rae. He was Van Rae's father in

Fastlane from 2003 over at Fox. Very, very, very

cool actor, very, very cool, small little guest

role for him on that show as Van's dad. He's

Robert Forster is the guy that You'll hear his

voice and you're like, I know that voice. I know,

like I've heard that voice before. I can't really

place where the guy's from or what he's been

in, but I know him and I love him. And seeing

him in El Camino was just really, really cool.

I suspect he'll, there are a lot of people know

him too from Twin Peaks. So, okay. It's another

fairly popular one that some people will cite,

but yeah, Jackie Brown freaking bad. Alright,

so El Camino you want to break down the plot

of this or do we want to do any like preamble

about it? Or how do we want it? It's really just

the story of Jesse post It's essentially right

after Breaking Bad and so in the final episode

of Breaking Bad Jesse drives off in an El Camino

and that's the last we see of it and this picks

up right after and It's the story of Jesse trying

to figure out what he's going to do or trying

to trying to start over and he It's interspersed

with a lot of flashbacks, which I I figured there

would be some because I don't I won't be in shock.

It's without Bryan Cranston in a flashback. Yeah

and i was not disappointed i just figured that

would have that would pretty much have to happen

so it did and the stuff i wasn't expecting was

i wasn't expecting to see an awful lot of tod

which oh yeah uh so they were good scenes but

god i hate that character and you're supposed

to that's the whole point he is he is amos from

the expanse minus any desire to have a moral

compass he's just i mean todd is a sociopath

he is not a functioning sociopath though he is

has no more morals morality no sense of anything

and just kind of who boy so anyway But interspersed

with that, I was extremely happy and not surprised

as well to see Mike in a flashback. All these

characters are dead by the way that Jesse has

flashbacks with. True. The real shocker to me

was the end. Seeing Jane in a flashback, that

was a nice callback. That was a very nice callback.

Really, I mean just... It's not a hard film to

sum up. It's Jesse is out and Jesse is trying

to... Jesse is free. I mean, that's basically

the main baseline premise of the movie. And he's

trying to stay free. Right. And he doesn't really...

I don't think it really shows you, but it...

it shows you that he finally finds, after looking

and looking and looking for the vacuum cleaner

salesman guy, Ed, obviously, but he sees his

little beat up red thing and he remembers, he's

like, oh wait, that's the car, that's the guy.

And I love that entire scene, because I watched

it right before the news of Robert's passing,

and I watched it again immediately after. And

that entire entire scene in the vacuum store

is so good. From the point where Robert is talking

to the little old lady, who, you know, the grandmother,

to the point where he's having the interaction

with Jesse. And Jesse's like, you're the dude.

Yeah. He's like, you're the dude. I know. I remember

that day. And then you just don't see Ed's, like,

Ed is, no. I don't know what you're talking about,

sir. I'm a vacuum cleaner salesman, you know.

And that was what was so cool about Ed and that

was what was so cool about Breaking Bad is this

formula of having a system, having to use the

code word before the actor, the character, whatever,

would break into that part of the role. Like

the whole Jekyll and Hyde kind of thing, obviously

though, not Jekyll and Hyde, but that kind of

duality to it. Was so very cool. Like unless

you say a certain thing you're not getting what

you want Jesse's kind of freaking out doesn't

remember it. Well that had a code too. He mentioned

to even though Jesse was threatening him You

know tried to call the cops on it or not try

to call the cops but was gonna yeah rat him out

or just a variety of things he wasn't going to

leave Well enough alone Even after all that,

once he gets the money, Ed does what he said

he would. Same with... We saw that with he and

Walt, too. I mean, Walt is so lonely, he starts

paying Ed thousands and thousands of dollars

just to hang out with him. Because Walt, in a

lot of ways, near the end, was just... Well,

not in a lot of ways. Walt was just a broken

man near the end, which is entirely deserved,

because... Well, yeah, it's horrible. Jesse's

the it's funny because Jesse's the third person

to disappear through him. If first we had, I

guess first technically was Saul. Yep. And Saul's

somewhere. Saul's very exceptionally amoral.

Walter is flat out evil and Jesse's kind of the.

Chaotic good of the group. Jesse I okay Jesse's

character. I want to say is The one you root

for he is the only one that had a conscience

right? He's the only one that felt bad about

anything they did right? Even though he still

did bad things and he does bad things in this

too. Yeah He flat -out guns down to people who

We're not good people, but He still kills do

people Yeah, that is true, but I mean compared

to Walt though And I know this isn't about Walt,

but since we're talking about all these characters

I Really want to say overall in the grand scheme

of things you take everything from Breaking Bad

and you take everything from this Jesse still

deserved a happier ending than Walt ever could

have wished for. Jesse had the potential for

good somewhere in him. His biggest problem was

he kept falling under really poor choices for

role models. Like, he was desperate to have a

role model or someone to emulate. And, you know,

first he had his parents. Who? By the way, I

was really surprised to see them again, too.

I was too, yeah. You know, they hadn't shown

up in forever and rightfully so. There wasn't

a reason to bring them in. But yeah, I was surprised

to see them and it was really interesting that

he kind of. I don't know if he tries to if he's

actually trying to absolve them, I think he is,

because again. Jesse's a good and far too forgiving

person deep deep deep deep deep deep deep deep

down. But. He first he had his parents and then

he falls under Walt who is the devil as Jesse

says at one point. He's not far off. He falls

under Mike. who Mike was easily the best influence

on him. But of course, Walt kills him. So then

we're back to back to Walter again. And yeah,

it's not good. He. He never really had a chance.

I don't know. And so, yeah, you're right. We

end up rooting for him and you still root for

him in this. It's. Don't know. It's just funny

to hear Aaron Paul and some of the other people

talk about the fact that You know, Jesse is a

murderer You know, he's done horrible things.

He was dealing drugs when we first found him

and he didn't care about Whose lives it damaged

that sort of thing, but as we got to know him

and go home with them more and more It wasn't

necessarily that person Yeah, if Walt hadn't

done what he did to Jane, I was really hoping

Jesse and Jane would eventually have a happy

ending. I guess, but we kind of forget that Jane

was no angel, too. True, she wasn't. She had

issues and she was, you know, she had no qualms

with blackmailing Walt and trying to sort of

strong -arm to get what she wanted, which oof,

didn't turn out well for her. No. And I was back

when we weren't sure about Walter either about

where he ranked in the yeah That like cuz really

like okay, so part of Jesse's whole thing in

I think it was season one in the first few episodes

He mentioned about the whole break bad thing.

Well, we see Walt's degeneration into breaking

bad But it's not until I think season four that

Walt goes full evil Yes, late season three early

season for Walt goes Full evil psychos. So getting

back to El Camino though. One of the things I

loved about it No, no, no, I'm about to tie that

in one of the things I loved about it is it didn't

have Walt and it didn't have his family right,

you know, and there was no reason to see Walt

jr. Or Skyler like I would And then this was

silly of me, but I was afraid that Vince Gilligan

was going to have, you know, a scene where Jesse

drives by the house or something like that. Like

there was no reason for him to do any of that.

And I was really glad that didn't show up, nor

do they try to answer the question from the series,

which is was Walter always this way or, you know,

did he always have all this in him, which I personally

believe. that he was always Heisenberg deep down.

There was always some sort of element of it.

Or, you know, was it just he broke bad and the

cancer happened and he just kind of wrote it?

I think the. It's one of my favorite things that

I think never goes out of its way to answer that.

Right. I think initially the cancer was the straw

that broke the. Heisenberg back kind of like

it was the it's kind of like going back to the

Joker also takes his fun bad day You know Walt

had way like he was tired of being Walter White

He was tired and then the you know, he gets the

cancer diagnosis. It's like Okay, I don't give

a fuck anymore Yeah, but there's always the stuff

with gray matter with Gretchen and true Her husband

that we don't know exactly what happened there

but something. Yeah that happened i forgot i

had forgotten cuz i don't know i think i mentioned

this to you offer. I don't remember if i've mentioned

it so far on air i went back and watch the last

episode of breaking bad after i had seen al camino

to remind myself specifically of certain things

that happened in the final episode i forgot they

were using laser pointers to threaten them. Yep.

And seeing, oh man, that image of Jesse at the

door, when Skinny Feet opens the door in El Camino,

oh my god. Yeah, so the first people Jesse goes

to for help are Skinny Feet and Badger. Yep.

Or, you know, things seem to be going pretty

well for them. That was not, like, I was... I

wasn't surprised because it's Breaking Bad, but

I... Was impressed with how much. Emotion there

was in a lot of things including from skinny

p two. Skinny p and badger could just been joker

characters on most shows that's pretty much what

they'd be actually get you know stuff to do they

actually kinda you know that. And yes can you

be you know almost literally give them the shirt

office back. Gives him the hat off his head.

Yeah, it's more of the hat off his head. But

anyway, uh, and it was, I don't know, it was

nice. And there was something about Jesse that

we want him to be okay. And oh, I could have

done though without like seeing all the scars

and everything else on him. Like you forget how

bad he was treated. Things were, not to mention

we get all the scenes of his torture and stuff

while he was being held by Jack and his gang.

Yeah. Yeah, but. El Camino, I think, puts a period

on Breaking Bad. It's a good coda. All of it.

Without spoiling anything, too. Yeah. Like I

said before, I would have hated to have seen,

you know, the White family or somehow, somehow

they have Marie in it or Jesse goes to, you know,

if this was a really bad sitcom, Jesse would

end up at the funeral for Yeah, oh man now I

can't remember his name Rock. That's not good.

Oh Walt's brother. Why can I not? Oh, I know

Dean Doris. Oh, it's me. Yeah Here's the here's

the thing after I watched the movie before I

watched it the second time as the Robert Forster

news was making the rounds on the internet I

Kept seeing in my Google feed for multiple websites

Who's that Brock character that they mentioned

in El Camino? In case you didn't know, I kind

of remembered, but Brock was Andrea's son. Oh,

I remembered. Yeah, no, I didn't remember at

first when I first saw the film, but before I

had seen all these articles, I'm like, Brock's

Andrea's son. So, you think about it, Jane's

gone. And Andrea was the meth head that Jesse

was going to try to flip, but then obviously,

again, it's one of those things where Jesse was

going to be bad, but he chose to be good. Yep.

And even though Jesse's still alive in the wilds

of Alaska, his only goodbye to his previous life

was her kid. Was to Barak. Yeah. So apparently...

Aaron Paul's talked about this a couple times

now that letter exists as in the letters written

out in full in real life and Aaron Paul has read

it and he fought to have it in the film and Vince

fought against it and So Aaron hopes that you

know, someday maybe they'll release it but it

was the first thing that was written For the

entire movie they wrote out that letter and that's

where they went Was you know from what if they

wrote there? That's where they started in terms

of the plot and everything else I Tend to agree

with Aaron call that it's sort of an admission

of guilt. Yeah Kind of you know, I'm sorry. I

knew your mother kind of thing I was Don't know

I wasn't expecting it. It doesn't surprise me

at all, but I wasn't expecting You know him to

try to leave a letter to somebody and I remember

briefly. I thought to myself Who is that? Yeah,

who's left? Yeah? There's next to nobody left

you've ruined pretty much everybody's lives Walter

and Yeah, and unfortunately, yeah through through

Jesse other people's and Yeah, although I was

impressed with the number of people who come

back so we get Lou the owner of the junkyard

Returns as well, which was nice. I mean none

of the cameos were forced It was nice that they

didn't try to shoehorn anyone in yeah, it all

tied together well Yeah, same with we get a quick

but not expected to survive But they know she

was poisoned by Walter White. Yeah. Again, that's

another thing that happened in the finale. So,

yeah, it's. And just so many. Little nods. Yeah,

everything from Todd's apartment had a Vamanos

pest control. Shirts or something on it to. I

don't know, there's a billion different, the

tarantula that Drew Sharp had. Yeah. Yeah, it

was very, very cool. It was a very interesting

film. And again, like I said, I think it's a

perfect period on, at this point, all of the

characters. Because Walt's dead, Walt's been

dead since the finale of the series. And I mean,

really, Walt's dead and Jesse got away. at the

end of the original series. So, did we really

need El Camino? No, probably not, but I'm kind

of glad we got it because we finally get Jesse

to have a happy ending. At least some closure,

too. Yeah, I mean, the closure we got for him

in the Season 5 -series finale was fine, but...

I'm still glad to see that they decided to come

up with a story that, even though there are flashbacks,

the movie flows really well. Yeah. I... Yeah,

I know. It's... So, as soon as this was announced,

that it was coming out, and it was going to focus

on Jesse, I knew how it was going to end, because

again, I listened to the podcast, and when they

did the finale podcast... The character the writers

and editors and everybody discussed what do you

think happens to jesse and vince has always said

including on that podcast that realistically

jesse got caught. And is gonna live in prison

for the rest of his life but he said if you ever

got the chance to write it. He was gonna have

him now. They always joked that it would be he'd

be a prop duster in New Zealand But when Mike

said Alaska at the start of the film, I knew

okay, he's gonna end up in Alaska But I was fine

with that like I think I mentioned this on Twitter

that it felt like a lot of wish fulfillment Like

a lot of breaking bad is based on what would

actually happen or what would this character

do if something if blank happens And this kind

of doesn't do that because again realistically,

yeah, Jesse probably be caught Yeah, but I'm

okay with you know, just this once in this movie,

you know They let somebody have a happy ending

mostly because nobody else got one in this series

I'm trying to think who is the happiest ending

in this series? Really nobody Saul's life as

we see in Better Call Saul is horrific. He is

not enjoying being Gene, the manager at a Cinnabon

at all. He would end up in the series. And of

course, that's where they decided to put him.

I would say the only one that really got a happy

ending out of it would maybe be Walt Junior,

because he didn't really get... He looked up

to his dad an awful lot though. Yeah, he did.

Not to mention he's named after it. That's true,

but just because the sins of the father are the

sins of the father doesn't mean they're going

to be visited on the son. It's still pretty tough.

His family definitely didn't get up. Not to mention

his uncle Hank is dead because of his dad. True.

Still think the most ingenious thing Walter White

ever did Was that m60 in the back of the car?

Yeah, like I mentioned that too. There's a lot

of mentions in this but they don't go out of

the way. It's just people Listening to the radio

or TV reports like all the stuff that made sense.

So yeah And how else are you gonna get certain?

Easter eggs in for us and certain hints like

if not that I would ever suggest any normal person

to watch this before watching Breaking Bad on

a whole, but if somebody who had never seen the

series went and watched this, they could get

little hints of what to expect from the series,

I think. Gus's melting face notwithstanding,

but there's that. Yeah, just everything about

it. It was really, really cool. I really dug

it. I thought it was a great little ending point

film for Freaking bad fans Yeah, I don't know

I don't know if if the series and this film were

written by anybody else I would have Had some

hesitation or been worried but as soon as Vince

Gilligan Was the one doing it they announced

it etc I wasn't worried because a lot of people

go back to their work and it doesn't go well

I hate to use it as an example because Vince

didn't go back to it, but look at the last two

seasons of X -Files, for example. You know, sometimes

it's best to just leave stuff alone. This was

more of those times. It was nice to get a happier

ending to what overall was an absolute nightmare

of a series. So I will probably link this in

the show notes, folks. This article is current

as of this recording, but it'll be old by the

time you folks see it. I'm looking at an article

on JoBlo .com. Aaron Paul talks El Camino in

whether or not he'd play Jesse again. He goes

on to say, if Vince asked me to jump onto Saul,

I would do it in a heartbeat, and I would know

it's for very good reasons. So we'll see. Look,

we talk about it all the time. We really do.

and we want to do it for the right reasons. We

don't want to just throw you in a scene that

doesn't make sense. Obviously, we would love

to give that to the fans of Breaking Bad and

the fans of Better Call Saul, but we don't want

fans to kind of scratch their head and they're

like, well, why did that happen? Yeah, and that's

why the shows have been so good. They don't just

throw guys in for no reason. It would be so easy

to have Walter White. On sweeps week and have

them appear on Better Call Saul It just wouldn't

make any sense They didn't know each other at

all, etc, etc Or they could they could design,

you know If they really wanted to they could

design some subplot where they don't actually

meet and just have them on the show But again,

there's no reason for it. No, it would just be

pointless kind of fan service Yeah, and I think

after El Camino Honestly think that The story

I mean yes, you can still do stories with Saul

on his own show obviously Most they have yes

all so better call Saul chronologically takes

place after this And after breaking bad, it's

just the bulk of the show is flashbacks of Jimmy

slash Saul remembering his life Before walls

came along and everything turned to shit. Remembering

the good times. When he was still a moral. Terrible

person. These are not shows you watch to feel

good, which is why El Camino. Almost is almost

out of place because it's kind of happy compared

to the rest. Like I said, I absolutely thought

it was a fun little thing. It did not need to

be Like we said did not need to have any of the

other white family members in it Not need to

have Marie. I mean Hank's dad. What's the you

know? I Know it's just there's an alternate reality

somewhere where I'm sure somebody else wrote

this series And we had all these ridiculous random

appearances True um, but luckily in this reality

Vince Gilligan wrote it and I gotta say one thing

too. So Better Call Saul is wrapping up This

is the final year of it because they hit the

Breaking Bad time period. Oh cool And so this

is the final season of it as well. So in theory,

by the way, I've always said the last shot Sol's

memories should be Walt walking into his office.

I always thought that would be a cute thing to

do. Not too fanservice -y, just sort of end it

with that. But yeah, that makes sense. But I'm

curious to see, you know, hit Gene's life in

the future because it's not going so well so

far. But after that... I've got to admit, I'm

super excited to see what Vince Gilligan does.

You know, it's not going to be in the Breaking

Bad universe. No, he's going to have to come

up with something totally different. And I mean,

obviously, he could still use the style that

he uses, but it's going to have to be basically

and you can shoot this down if you want. But

Vince Gilligan and Breaking Bad are like George

Lucas in Star Wars. You've finished your story.

Thankfully, Vince knows better than to go back

and try to rewrite it or fix it, because you

wrote it perfectly the first time. You move on

and create something else now. Unlike, you know,

certain people who are still pissed that Disney

won't take his ideas. Anyway. I expect that that's

what he's gonna do, is create something else.

It'll be interesting, because he can... He will

literally have the ability to do whatever he

wants. He's pretty much proven he can do. Anything,

you know, he. This is a film based on a TV show.

Traditionally, those are not good. Yeah, it's

true, unfortunately. Oh, yeah, you're right.

I don't like saying that because it's happened

to a lot of franchises and stuff I enjoy. But

traditionally, they don't they don't. It just

doesn't go well. But this one did and that's

another thing he managed to do. He did a prequel

and it is fantastic. Usually prequels are terrible.

You know, he just kind of bucks the trend no

matter what he's doing and he's done science

fiction because X -Files during its heyday when

he was there and Chris Carter and everybody were

firing all cylinders was just terrific. So yeah,

it's. It is impressive, and whatever he does,

I plan to at least check out. Maybe it'll be

something I'm not super interested in, but the

level of quality he's able to put forth has been

astounding, so that alone should make it interesting.

Absolutely. If you were going to rate this as

0 to 5, what would you rate it? That's what I've

been thinking about the whole time. I'm gonna

say give it a four and a half. Four and a half

or four is right in that range and it's not perfect,

but it's still really good while being a lot

of fan service. Anyway. I watched it twice before

we did this and for me to go from back in 2013

or whenever it was to not really caring or not

even wanting to check out Breaking Bad to really

really enjoying certain characters from the series

and especially enjoying that last season I still

want like yeah like I said before yes we do see

the Jesse kind of escapes But when this was announced,

I was like, ooh, we get to find out all these

other things. And it's going to, it's not just

a fan -service -y movie. It's a full story movie

that, you know, this is what happened to Jesse.

And this is several different stages of Jesse's

whatever life and things like that. And I was

like, oh, that's very cool. So I'm just gonna

give it a five. I didn't really have any moments

in this where, okay, one moment that. Could have

done without was with Jesse in the bug on his

hand, but I'm not gonna take a half a point off

That was a reference to he did that in season

Two want to say yeah season two or three. Yeah

I'm just not a bug person. So Jesse's usually

not a killer though. He makes exceptions for

welders. Well, I mean They were he was the guy

that made his cage. Yes. Yeah. So I mean, I fish

plate. Yeah, really? Yeah, I am dense. I'm I

am completely down with Jack and anybody associated

with his group iron or whatever by being killed

in this series. I have forgotten that Jesse strangled

Todd. I somehow I had completely forgotten that

because I remember trying to think when it was.

Recently, anyway, before I saw El Camino, I thought

to myself, well, what are all the bad quote unquote

things Jesse has done? Probably the worst was

killing Gale. Yeah. And I had forgotten about

Todd, but I wouldn't rank that in the bad thing.

Nah, it was a good thing. Tom was a jerk anyway.

Tom was horrible. Jesse Flemmons is so good as

him. By the way, the little snow globe collection,

as well as I can't remember his name now, but

not the head of the welding company. Anyway,

the other character picks it up at one point

or picks one of them up at one point. And it's

essentially a snow globe of Todd and Lydia. like

Todd was so damn creepy too yeah Todd was very

he was evil combined with creepy combined with

sociopath combined you know like I knew that

Todd was Jesse Plemons but because I hadn't seen

the character in so long since it's been god

knows how long since we did those original Breaking

Bad episodes of remote control I had forgotten

that Todd was played by Jesse Flemmons. I thought

it was Warren Cole beefed up. Just absolutely

put on some pounds for the role. His voice sounds

so familiar. For those that don't know, Warren

Cole was on a number of things. He was in Person

of Interest as Ian Murphy. He was on Mike Collar

for an episode or two. He was in blue bloods

You know, but he just he has that kind of voice

kind of thing that like So, yeah, but now Jesse

Fleming's is time is always super creepy and

I'm so glad that's one again one thing again

Uncle Jack stuff like hey, it's okay. It's okay

Jesse you can you can strangle Todd. That's fine

Yes, boy. Oh boy. Where can the people find you

online, sir? At Nightbeat, on Twitter. I am at

TFD1Mike on Twitter, and you can also follow

at GeekCanisterRadio on Twitter as well. Uh,

yeah, we did Breaking Bad, like, two years ago.

Hmm. Ah, is it really been that long? Yup. Between...

I think February and May of 2017 is when we get

pretty bad, so that's where I want to make sure

I'm on. So, like I said, folks, at the beginning

of this, coming up next is a two -part episode,

195 and 196. My guest will be Terry Smith. He

runs Music Talks Podcast. Basically, the format

for his show is... You pick one song for every

decade that you're alive. So for me, I was born

in 80, so 80, 90, 2000s and 2010s. And you discuss

why you picked it and why at that moment in your

life that song makes, you know, and he's had

so he's got, I think, almost nine episodes of

the show out. And it's really interesting. I

highly recommend if you're a music lover and

you want to hear really cool stories about music

through the decades. listen to the music talks

because it's so fun it really really is so unleash

the geek in you and we will catch you next time

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it's cake moving a pound of meth One teeth at

a time I have nothing It's all gone And all for

that asshole Mr. White Cause I'm a great guy

You keep saying that and it's bullshit every

time