140 – REMEMBERING VAL KILMER! – Top Guns 1 and 2!

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Dramey. Once again is Steve Megatron. Hi, Steve.

How are you? Yo, yo, yo. Yo, yo, yo! Today we

are doing a double feature, and those films were

16 years apart at the point of the sequels being

released in 2022. 16 years? What the fuck am

I talking about over here? Editor TFG1Mike, I

don't know how Steve didn't catch this and interrupt

me and correct me on this, but 16 years? Between

Top Gun 1 and 2? No. 36 years is what I meant

to say, so no one comes at me in the comments.

We were 36 years between 1986 and 2022 of the

release between Top Gun and Top Gun Maverick.

Now, on with the show. However, in 1986, we go

to Top Gun. Tom Cruise, Val Kilmer, Anthony Edwards.

and so many more. And because sometimes my brain

works and sometimes I remember stuff, they did

a theatrical 3D re -release of Top Gun in theaters

in 2013. My mom and I went to it at the time,

and I actually wrote up an article for our website,

and I'm like, hey, wait a minute, I remember

when I did that. So I went back and I looked

at the article, and I'm like, it was more, it

was... There's a little bit in there about getting

to see the film in theaters because the film

came out when I was six years old and you were

just, you know, popping out in 1986. Har, har,

har. You know, so because Top Gun originally

released in theaters May 16th of 1986. So pretty

much a month and two days before you were born.

So there's that. But yeah, no, back in 2013,

12 years ago, when they did the re -release,

I was like, ooh, hey, I'd love to see... I've

always seen Top Gun on TV and on DVD and whatever

else at the time, and I'm like, that would be

kind of cool to see Top Gun in theaters. So we

went, and it was more about... Seeing how well,

because the point of that was, this is a 3D re

-release, because remember back in 2012 when

3D was all the, everything, 3D everything. I

hated that. Well, I'm looking back at this article,

and I'll link it in the show notes, folks, so

y 'all can read it, but I'm reading this article

I wrote, and like, for me, with vision problems

that I have, it's like, I never liked 3D glasses.

I never cared for them. I never did this, never

did that, whatever else. And I know when we were

doing shows with Michael Powers and stuff, I

think, and Mike, you can correct me if I'm wrong,

if you're even listening, I'll point this out

to you so you can correct me if I'm wrong. I

think he liked the 3D stuff. For me, it was more

of, as long as it's smooth, as long as it doesn't

jitter around, as long as it doesn't, you know,

and at the time, It was fine. I was actually

surprised how good the 3D was for Top Gun in

theaters in 2013. But next year is its 40th anniversary,

and we are covering it now only because earlier

this month, Val Kilmer passed away, and Val Kilmer

was Iceman. in the first movie, and obviously

he returned in 2022's sequel. Had you ever seen

Top Gun before? I had seen Top Gun before. It

had been probably around the time we started

the network. It was the first time I ever saw

it. I may have caught the end of it. In the past

before that, but not enough to really remember

it. And so when when I rewatched it, I was like,

oh, so this is why all of this, you know, played

out the way it did. You know, I didn't know what

to expect, really, because I hadn't fully watched

it. So. I don't know, I was more I think I'm

more impressed with it now that I'm older. I

think it was too... It's kind of funny. I thought

it was too slow in certain aspects when I was

younger, I guess. I don't know. But looking at

it now, I'm like, this is pretty much the right

pace. I mean, I skipped through some of the romance

sections in both films. But more so just because

I was like, alright, just keep me in the academy

here. you know some of the relationship stuff

you know as far as like the friends were concerned

like i i watched that because it was pertinent

but like i didn't really i didn't really care

about the love life part of it i was just like

let's keep moving here um but it's i don't know

i i really enjoyed it upon rewatch which i was

surprised yeah well that's cool that's good Like

I said, I've seen the original film multiple

times over in the last 39 years. I think the

first time I saw it was probably right after

I saw Days of Thunder in 1990. Days of Thunder,

also Tom Cruise race car instead of plane. But

yeah, this is one of those... It falls in line

with Beverly Hills Cop 1 and 2 to me. It falls

in line with some of the other... 80s action

movies simply because of Harold Faltermeyer's

score and his music. The music in this movie

just, it fits, it works. Sometimes I did this

watch, I, between watching this and watching

the sequel, I thought that the sequel did the

music, like the blend of the music and the vocal

performances of the actors and the actresses.

and everything else going on, I felt like the

sequel is a little bit better. Like, it's mixed

better in the sequel. The original film, I don't

know, sometimes the music overpowers certain

scenes at times. And I'm not just talking about

the action scenes, so there's that. But, yeah,

no, I was, the first, the original film, I just,

every time I watch it, I just absolutely just

forget everything and just have fun with it.

It's just so fun. So for those that don't know,

but people should probably know after 39 years,

Top Gun is all about U .S. Navy Naval Aviator

Lieutenant Pete Maverick Mitchell and his radar

intercept officer, Lieutenant Junior Grade Nick

Goose Bradshaw. And they are running maneuvers

in their F -14 Tomcat and doing all this stuff.

Then they get called away to intercept and do

all this stuff. It's a movie. It's an 80s action

movie that I don't... When I think 80s action

movie, I do always think of Top Gun, but I don't...

I don't know. I don't know if it's because it

stands out, not above the rest of them, but it

just has that feeling of just a little bit higher

than some of the rest of the 80s action movies,

because some of the other ones are... I don't

know. We might have to do a separate episode

on... The art of 80s action movies in general

or something. What are your thoughts on what

did you like about the original Top Gun? I liked

the emotion that Tom Cruise had in his character.

Like, don't get me wrong. I know he shows a lot

of it in Maverick. Especially when it concerns,

you know, Iceman and Rooster and... things like

that but i feel like tom cruise like the older

he gets the less emotion that shows up on his

face like if that makes any sense like because

it's like oh he's kind of the the everyman action

guy and i it's not that i dislike him in the

movie like i i think he does a great job and

pretty much everything he's in but he does play

the pretty much the same character and everything

he's in yeah you know much the same way that

a lot of other action stars are kind of typecast.

But I liked that aspect. I liked the dynamic

with him and Goose. I liked the dynamic with

him and Iceman. I liked the jets. I liked the

fact that he was this hotshot and thought that

nothing could touch him. And yes, he did break

records and do the impossible, but it came at

a cost because one of his, you know, cocky endeavors

at one point cost the life of his friend. Yep.

And he had to learn that the hard way. And so

it's something that stuck with him and ate at

him into the second film. And so I felt like

you had this natural character progression from

the start of the film to the end as they traversed,

you know, the eight week program. Yeah, absolutely.

And it's just that scene where When that happens,

where he says, watch the canopy, and I'm thinking,

okay, how did that even happen? Because, I don't

know. I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's

a, because again, they found no fault of his.

It was an accident. Looked like equipment failure

to me. Like the seat went too fast. Or the seat

did something. It shouldn't have done. Or the

canopy just wasn't. Moved in time. Obviously

for the plot. The plot needs. Goose to unfortunately

die. But. Yeah. I always. I've always questioned

that scene. As far as like. Wait a minute. He.

He warned him. I don't know. It is what it is.

What didn't you like about the original film?

I mean, I didn't really find a whole lot. I didn't

like some of the sound mixing with the music.

I definitely noticed some of it was too high.

Yep. And then some of it, there were in places

where it just like in this weird, abrupt stop.

And it was, it was like, it was jarring enough

that like, it took me out of it and as an audio

person i i was like wait wait wait what happened

here i'm like and so i went back to like make

sure that it just wasn't my device glitching

and it wasn't and it was kind of surprising but

i mean i i liked it overall like there wasn't

much that i didn't like like i said i fast forwarded

pretty much through the um sections where it

was the sex scene and things like that and like

some of the other i mean some of it like in the

classroom type stuff was kind of funny in the

chase down and then i like the fact that you

know he was about to drop out you know and had

to kind of come to terms with it and you know

he'd kind of earned the sympathy from the others

and but i mean you still have it's still a very

similar story between the first and the second

film with Oh yeah. The father of the, the, the

one pilot having died and the other one trying

to make up for it and, you know, stand above

the name. And so I didn't, I didn't despise anything

in particular from the first film. There were

aspects of the second film that were kind of

like, eh, okay. Like we get it. yeah we'll get

into the second film here in a minute but yeah

i don't know i i still overall like yeah like

i remember when i wrote up the article for the

the 3d re -release the only thing and i'm not

a prude at all but the only thing that i had

a problem with was the sex scene It seemed like

it dragged on. It's not even that it drags on.

It's just... They don't show anything, but just

the... I don't know. Maybe you're right. Maybe

it is that it drags on, but it just feels like

when they're in bed together and they're doing

their thing, it just feels like it's... Somebody

put Mount Chickawawa on slow. Like, it's talking

like this. Like, it really felt like it was in

slow motion. And I know it's a nitpick, folks.

We get it. But it is what it is. At the end of

the day, it doesn't take away my enjoyment of

the film. But I remember when I saw that in theaters,

I was like, oh, that's a little. Okay. It was

a little long. Yeah, a little long in the tooth.

Overall, though, still love the first film. I

love that soundtrack. Well, and Records released

a limited edition two CD set, I think a couple

of years ago. Maybe it was last year. I don't

remember. I've got it. So I got it in the closet

somewhere. It's on my computer now. And I was

listening to that. Harold Faltermeyer, man, let

me. Oh, man, this guy. I love his scores. I love

the way he makes music. At least in the 80s,

for the 80s stuff, man, he was so good. Yeah,

and you're right. Mr. Cruise, in the modern day,

it seems like when he started, he debuted in

Endless Love as Billy in 1981. He went from that

to Taps, to Losing It, to Outsiders, to Risky

Business, All the Right Moves, Legend, Top Gun,

Color of Money, Cocktail, Rain Man, Days of Thunder,

Far and Away, Few Good Men, Firm, Interview with

a Vampire, 96, Next Year Will Be, 30 Years from

Mission Impossible, Jerry Maguire. But like,

from... 20... 2010 to now? 2011 to now? It's

either Mission Impossible or Jack Reacher. Yeah,

pretty much. He did American Made in 2017. Is

that a remake? He did another version of The

Mummy in 2017. That movie was terrible. I didn't

see that one, and I don't like the original one

because I'm not a Brendan Fraser fan. I am. I

liked it. Yeah, I don't know how much more acting

Mr. Cruise is going to be doing after 2026. Right

now, we've got Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning,

which is out now from last year. No. From two

years ago. And then later this year, the final

reckoning on May? I want to say, is it May? When's

that releasing? May 23rd. So probably by the

time people hear this, most likely. You'll probably

hear this before then, folks. But May 23rd is

the final reckoning for the, I guess, final mission?

I don't know. I mean, for being over 50, he sure

is. I mean, he's got a very extensive, long -running

career. Every time he shows up, it's like, oh,

cool. But I do like more of his older stuff because

it's more varied than just... Hey, let's just

stick to the franchise. It's not there's anything

wrong with franchises. Oh, wow. He's 62. But

the thing is, I mean, yeah, he's looking older,

but he's he's kind of he hasn't hit like grandpa

stage of actor yet. No, not yet. Like he doesn't

look like he could play it yet, which is the

amazing part. But yeah, I mean. I feel like,

yes, he does have a very differing career and

a lot of range in his older stuff. His newer

stuff is pretty much action. Yeah. But not that

I dislike it. I just, it's different stuff. So,

I mean, I've watched a lot of his movies and

I genuinely enjoy him as an actor in a lot of

his films. So it's, I don't know, it's kind of

cool to see young Tom Cruise here. Yeah. Yeah,

young Tom Cruise was always very, very cool.

And obviously, folks, what we're here for because

of his recent passing, we kind of talked about

his filmography and things like that in the Batman

Forever episode last time. But Val Kilmer, I

mean, and we're going to do more. I don't know

if it'll be with Steve and I, but I'm going to

be doing more. uh val kilmer movies throughout

the year just to because the dude was a great

actor he really was i mean him in this like just

that antithesis of what i almost said ethan hunt

um maverick is of what pete mitchell is uh that's

what i spent that's what that's what Iceman is,

you know, and they event, you know, it's two

very different styles of, of how they approach

things and they eventually get along, become

friends and shake hands and all this and all

that. And, and just, I love the way Val acted.

He was such a great actor. Yeah. And then Anthony

Edwards. You know, the funny thing about Anthony

Edwards, who was Goose, the only other thing

I remember him from is he was in Revenge of the

Nerds. He was in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

But really, where I remember him from is ER.

The TV show ER. That's all I remember him from.

He was Dr. Mark Green from 94 to 2008. Well,

94 to 2002, and then he returned in 2008. But,

I mean, he's got some films in his filmography

that are pretty good, too, other than Top Gun.

He was in Revenge of the Nerds, too, so there's

that. Oh, he was in two of the Revenge of the

Nerds movies. I liked him as Goose, though. He

was good. What's funny about talking about Val

Kilmer is that later, from the point of Top Gun,

later on in 1999, Iceman and Charlie will reunite

in 1999. So, Kelly McGillis, did I say that right?

Yes, Kelly McGillis, who plays Charlie in this,

she starred in she was Val's character's sister

in At first sight from 1999, Val played Virgil

Adamson. This movie is based on a true lie, a

real story about someone who was blind and things

like that. It stars him, her, also stars Mira

Savino. And I remember in 99, I was like, hey,

wait a minute, that's Iceman and that's... The

instructor, that's the, that's the, that's, yeah.

So that was a nice little reunion. And honestly,

that's, other than At First Sight, that is all.

Other than Top Gun and At First Sight, that's

all I'd ever seen Kelly McGillis in. It does,

she was in Maverick, but she was uncredited because

it was archival footage from the original film.

So she's not, uh, wait, what? Oh, documentary.

Why is there a documentary filter? Oh, the bread,

the Bratz documentary from last year. It's a

documentary. discussing the Brat Pack from the

80s. Huh. Might have to watch that, actually.

It's on Hulu. Anyway. See, this is what happens

when I get distracted, folks. Don't distract

me when I'm doing stuff. Yep. Well, you did it

to yourself. Yeah, I know. I'm talking to myself,

don't you know? We also have two other amazing...

I mean, we've got many other amazing people here,

but I'm going to probably stop the cast after

this. But the other two that are very noticeable

is Michael Ironside as Jester. I will recognize

Michael Ironside anywhere because of his voice.

Oh, yeah. Well, and he's kind of the quintessential

army dick bad guy or antagonist. And he plays

it well. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And then we got

McFly, you're nothing but a slacker. We got James

Tolkien as Commander Tom Stinger. We got fucking

Strickland from Back to the Future in Top Gun.

I love this. I love this. I love James Tolkien.

I wish he had more in film. Oh, he was in the

medieval horror. Holy crap. I mean, he did do

a lot of films, but like, oh, that's right. Year

after this, so after Top Gun, he was Detective

Hugh Lubick in Masters of the Universe from 1987.

He was in Problem Child 2 for some odd reason.

Nobody knows why. It would have been kind of

cool to see some of the other older actors in

the second film from this one show up at the

scene with Iceman. Or lack thereof. The funeral,

you mean? Yeah. Something I'm going to have to

look up for later. Tom Wilson, humbly super famous

documentary. Tolkien is in that as himself, so

I'm going to have to look that up at some point.

But yeah, I mean, I just, I always, when actors

or actresses have a impact on me, whether it's

just one film or two films or whatever else,

I usually end up following them to whatever else

they go to kind of thing. James Tolkien, again,

he's one of those where he's got the look, he's

got the voice, and you just immediately think,

oh, he's going to do this or he's going to do

that. But yeah, the Tom Wilson documentary was

the last thing he did currently. Before that,

Expedition Back to the Future, Strickland Guard,

Season 1 episode. What is that from 2021? Huh.

I didn't know. I didn't think they were doing

a Back to the Future TV series. Anyway. So, yeah.

Very, very cool. And then... Meg, we're not going

to go through all of Meg Ryan. You all know Meg

Ryan, but. Goose, honey, take me to bed or lose

me for. Oh, God, that scene. I love that piano

scene. And I love how they recreate didn't recreate,

but they homage and they do their own thing with

it in the sequel. But that scene. Oh, man, that

was just awesome. She was she was in this like

for two seconds. It was, well, it was longer

than two. So she was there for like two different

scenes. But yeah. You can be my wingman anytime.

Bullshit. You can be mine. So moving 36 years

into the future for Top Gun Maverick, this one

picks up more than 30 years after Maverick graduating

from Top Gun Training School, decorated test

pilot, whose insubordination has kept him from

flag rank. I like this. We open up with him being

a test pilot for these supersonic jets, and by

the end of this film, he has to go back to the

F -14 Tomcat. Basically saying, hey, go back

to 1986, you idiot. And this one isn't like the...

It is and it isn't like the first film. This

one, they're trying to destroy an unsanctioned

uranium enrichment plant in an unnamed foreign

country before it becomes operational. I like

that they do the unnamed foreign country. I like

that they don't. Well, they were also trying

to not ruffle feathers like Back to the Future

did. Exactly. It was the Libyans. The Libyans

did it. That's Back to the Future, folks. Again,

I like the music in this. The music. Okay, so

yes, the Faltermeyer score is here because you're

going to use the same cues as the original film.

And then Lady Gaga and Hans Zimmer. And then

I saw in the actual film that Lorne Balfe is

credited, but he's not credited on the Wikipedia

article for the film as working on the music,

which is weird. is not the case. And I like Lorne

Balfe. He's an awesome composer. He's done a

lot of music for a lot of films that we know

and love. But I want to go down here because

I want to see. Did you really? Nope. Huh. Weird.

I know he got... Some sort of credit in the movie.

I saw it on the screen, folks. Oh, there it is.

2022, I keep forgetting. He was the score producer

for Top Gun Maverick. We'll have to do a different

episode on him another day. But yeah, I think

the music was done well in this. I think it was

balanced a little bit better. What about you?

What are your likes, dislikes for Maverick? So

I liked the fact that we were playing around

with the new Top Gun class and Maverick trying

to prove that a pilot is still better than a

drone. Yep. And eventually succeeds in his breaking

10 Gs. Yeah. So, so that was, that was fun. And

then there's the fact that he's introduced to

rooster in this part, which is goose's son. And

there's an animosity there and he's riding that

fine line of trying to protect him and let him

be his own person. Yeah. And then I love that

they got Iceman back in for the kind of farewell

and kind of helping center Maverick. Yep. So

that was cool, getting Val Kilmer back in, and

I'm glad that Tom Cruise kind of pushed for it.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it makes sense. If

you're going to bring back somebody from the

original, that makes sense. And then we get the

Admiral's girlfriend. Or not the Admiral's girlfriend,

the Admiral's daughter. Yeah. That was referenced

in the first film. Yeah. Actually showing up,

which is Jennifer Connelly. Connelly. Yeah. Yeah.

So I thought that was funny that they were like,

oh, we brought in a character that was mentioned,

but wasn't actually in it. Yeah. So, I mean,

there was that there was I love the drone fights

or not the drone, the fighter pilots. scenes.

I love the fact that Maverick took everybody

out constantly in the testing. He's like, boom,

you're dead, boom, you're dead, boom, you're

dead. And then he would call them all out on

their crazy stuff and then hit the brakes and

flip the jet. And then the fact that they got

into another F -14. That was, that was kind of

cool. He's like, uh, I wonder if I remember this.

Oh man, that line. Yeah. I, I just, Ooh, there

is some lines in this where I was just like,

Oh man. So cool. Yeah, absolutely. Um, and like

overall, I, I enjoyed this film. just as much

in a different way. Yeah. Because you had Maverick,

you know, teaching the new rookies and you had

the new hotshot that's basically like a younger

him. Yep. Mixed with Iceman. Yep. And Miles Teller

does really good at playing Goose's son. Yep.

The Glenn Powell. character. I forget who he

plays. I zone out on names. He was Lieutenant

Jake Hangman. Yeah, Hangman. It's sad because

I just watched it literally and I can't remember

his call sign. To be honest, the story was Roosters.

And then Maverick is a secondary. So I mean...

He's probably the bigger out of these characters.

I liked the fact that Ed Harris was replacing

the same role as his direct supervisor in the

first film. And then you had John Hamm playing

the air boss. Yeah, the Vice Admiral Cyclone.

I don't know. I really liked how all of this

kind of played out. It was interesting because

I thought some of the Top Gun students were going

to die because they were like, oh, this happens.

Oh, he blacked out. Oh, the plane's on fire.

And it's like, oh, they're going to kill three

of the Top Gun students. Like, right off the

bat. And they're like, no, we're not killing

anybody. Yeah, the blackouts from the Gs and

then the plane fight. Oh. And then Maverick almost

blacked out. Yeah, almost. But he didn't. Yeah,

luckily. No, and then Hangman coming in and,

you know, helping and then having the respect

for Rooster and by the end kind of like. mirroring

Iceman and Maverick in the first so I mean it's

that was cool and then kind of seeing them all

proceeding on in their life more or less yeah

absolutely I don't know I enjoyed it for what

it was it's it's a modern version of the original

in a sense but it's it kind of is that natural

progression that makes sense yeah Yeah, it was

very well done. Tom can still act the way that

he did, even though he's older, obviously, now.

Again, 36 -year difference between 86 and 22.

Yeah, it's nice seeing Maverick and Rooster kind

of taking on that father -son role. They were

both cheated. Fixing the Mustang. yeah exactly

well not fixed not necessarily fixed before that

when they were uh when they got shot down or

when they whatever like when they were in the

woods together yeah right right before they stole

the the f -14 yeah when they were doing so that

scene was like oh cool it's looking at miles

teller as the character of rooster i was like

huh He's a younger Goose. Okay. Obviously, I

understand the character is supposed to be the

son of Goose. I get that. But I'm saying, like,

they picked somebody in Hollywood that resembled

what Anthony Edwards looked like in the original

movie enough to where it's so believable that

you don't even give it a second thought. And

you just look at it as, this is the character.

Just pay attention to the damn story. And it

was so fun seeing the two of them do what they

did with the stuff. And I forgot those... No,

they weren't. For some odd reason, I thought

the Tomcat, the seat, was back -to -back. But

it's not, right? No, it's not. Can't be. It's

not. I remember seeing him get in the car. I'm

losing my mind, folks. Anyway. Top Gun. Go ahead.

No, I was going to say, but it was kind of funny,

even like the whole bar scene where the Top Gun

students chuck him out of the bar and Hangman

was one of the ones tossing him out. Yeah. And

then he hears the great balls of fire by Rooster,

which brought back the memories, you know. And

then, of course, the next day they're like, oh,

crap, we threw this guy out of the bar yesterday.

Well. When they were about to throw him out the

bar, I thought the bar was on the ship. I thought

the bar... Oh, me too. I thought they were going

to throw him overboard. Yeah, they kept saying,

throw him overboard, throw him overboard. I thought

they were going to throw him into the damn ocean.

And no, they're just throwing him... Okay. All

right. Cool, cool, cool. But yeah, no. It was

a fun watch. Top Gun's always fun to watch. I

almost didn't watch it because I still remember

it to this day, but I figured I would be authentic

to doing the recording and making sure I did

my due diligence, and I did watch both of them.

And watching the sequel was very, very cool.

I think I'm perfect. I'm leading into something

here, folks. I think I'm perfectly fine with

where they left... Everybody at the end of this

movie. However, in May of 22, Teller revealed

that he had been pitching a sequel, which would

be tentatively titled Top Gun Rooster, and centered

on his character to Paramount Pictures. By July

of the same year, he stated that he has been

having ongoing discussions with crews regarding

a sequel. And in January of last year, it was

reported that a sequel is in development. No

don't and stop. It's perfectly fine where it

is. We had everything we needed with Rooster

in this movie as far as his characterization

and things like that. Top Gun does not need to

be the next... franchise player in hollywood

of having seven fucking movies yeah it's got

two but it took 36 years for you and i talk about

this all the time when sequels are too late like

dumb and dumber or dumb and dumber or see this

one works it just like beverly hills cop 4 exactly

again this this worked that worked but again

do we need beverly hills cop 5 No. Really? I

would like it, but I don't, I would like it,

but I don't think we need it. This, I feel like

this, I feel like is more wrapped up. Yeah. Um,

I feel like with Beverly Hills cop, if they did

a fifth one, they would almost have to have like

Hector Elizondo take on his character again,

you know? And yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't,

yeah, I don't see them doing another one. No.

Because again, Eddie Murphy was kind of like,

I don't want to do it unless it makes sense.

We wouldn't have Taggart in it because obviously

John Ashton is gone. And Judge Reinhold, he's

looking pretty rough these days. Just age, you

know, not anything against the guy. I mean, he's

late 60s, but it's just I don't see him running

around like Eddie Murphy, who's, you know, albeit

a few years younger. little bit more fit so yeah

but i mean they you never know they could they

could um but top gun i feel like perfectly left

it off to where it doesn't need another one yep

but the way that they titled it as maverick it's

like it's tying up maverick story yeah so they

technically could do another top gun and then

you know do serialized pieces that are like one

-offs of you know different Top Gun students

at different points in time or taking somebody

from the original one and having them leading

a different Top Gun class. Yep. Although I don't

think it would do anything without Tom Cruise.

No, it's not going to. And, you know... Iceman

typed it out the best way. It's time to let go.

But it's one of those things where I don't think

this needs to be a triple shot franchise. I didn't

like When it came out in 22, I didn't like...

I wasn't against it, but it wasn't that I felt

I needed to absolutely see it. Of course, in

2022, I was a little busy figuring out life and

figuring out where I was going to live, let alone

go to a damn movie. Even after I got settled

here in Indiana three years ago, I still didn't

think I... This was the first time I had ever

seen Top Gun Maverick. I have not watched that

movie before this viewing to do this podcast.

I've watched it once, and I like it, and I'll

probably watch it again at some point in the

future. Whatever, just like its original film.

But I don't feel like we need a whole Top Gun

universe. Not everything has to be a universe,

people. No, and I feel like a lot of films just

need to leave it. You know, two to three films,

move on. Yep. For the original film, Top Gun

1986, 0 -5 with half points, what are you going

to give it? The first I'll probably give it four

and I'll probably give it a four and a half.

I would give it higher except I don't like to

give out fives very often and there were some

scenes I could have done without. Yeah. I can

handle those scenes but I agree with you. It

was just a little long. Yeah. So four and a half

for the original. What about the sequel? What

are you going to give the sequel? I'll probably

give it the same thing again. Yeah, I'll give

it to the same because I genuinely enjoyed both

films and I feel like they kind of fit together

rather nicely. So if you put it together, it's

a solid nine out of 10. yes yes yes but yeah

that's i i would give it i would give it a 4

.5 there were there were a couple scenes that

kind of were long in the tooth like hangman just

not letting things go but and then all of the

the stuff kind of culminating in different areas

that like the fake outs of the different top

gun students dying yeah that was a little annoying

so i mean i'll give it because of that but overall

that that was pretty good yeah i agree four and

a half four and a half's all around both films

double feature double shot here inside studio

2009 for top gun and top gun maverick i think

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