STUDIO 2009
Val Kilmer Tribute as Bruce Wayne and Batman in Batman Forever

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That's good. That's good. This is episode 139
Of 2009 you're gonna hear this before the end
of april folks we've got colombo season two coming
out daily but you're gonna hear this before the
end of april because it is we today we present
you with a thirtieth anniversary film discussion
that i didn't plan to actually for us to have
until later. And it was gonna be actually about
the film which apparently we already did two
years ago. You might say I've riddled myself
into obscurity here, folks, by repeat, repeat,
repeating myself a lot. With this podcast, we've
been online for five and a half years now, something
like that. Well, as of June, it'll be five full
years, but it's one of those things where...
I thought we did Burton's Batman and Schumacher's
Batman back -to -back because Joel Schumacher,
the director of the film that we're talking about
this evening, had unfortunately passed away in
2020. And I thought we had done this back then.
We did not, we didn't do this until episode 61,
which was only two years ago. How episode 61
compared to episode 139. Was only two years ago
was crazy to me, but then again, I've been going
full tilt on studio 2009 episodes lately. So
there's that, but, uh, this episode here, 139,
1939, nine one three nine. It's a Batman thing
folks. And sadly, and this is no joke on April
1st, 2025. We lost at the age of 65 due to pneumonia,
Mr. Val Kilmer. Holy crap. And folks, anytime
anything happens on April 1st, no one's going
to believe it. Not initially, anyhow. Right.
Obviously. That's my stay off the Internet day.
Absolutely. Every day. It's like, yep, I had
a I had a status I put out there that whole day.
I put it on my I put it as my status update on
my Discord. I put it as a status on, on every
piece. There ain't no fool in this fool. Uh,
but unfortunately it was true. The actor that
who was Val Kilmer did pass away from pneumonia,
which at 65 pneumonia getting a lot of people
is, is just crazy. But it's, it's sad, but true.
Cause next month in May of this year in 2025,
it'll be 10 years since my mom died of bacterial
and viral pneumonia in 2015. However, with Mr.
Kilmer, the first thing I thought of was I want
to go back. I want to cause originally, because
this is the 30th anniversary of Batman forever.
We were going to do a 30th anniversary discussion
and I was going to have it aired June 16th 2025
because June 16th 1995 I don't even need Wikipedia
for this. I know this like the back of my hand
June 16th of 95 was the wide release the the
theatrical release of Batman forever because
Batman forever is it's my favorite I put the
89 film and forever basically they mix and match
Sometimes I like 89, sometimes I like forever,
but usually forever wins out for me because where
I was in 1985, I was 15 years old. I was, you
know, hormonal junkie that wanted nothing but
chase meridian at the time. No, dude, you have
no idea. I had that. I tracked down that poster.
I had that poster. The the chase meridian poster
from this movie I had oh man soon as I had that
I'm like I wish I could get it framed but tax
will do fine for now But it's one of those things
where I Just remember everything about this movie
and as soon as they announced and we confirmed
that it was not an April Fool's joke that he
had passed I Had the Elliot Golden fall score
from La Land Records On blast in my headphones.
For the past. X like I said folks you can hear
this later on in April you're gonna hear this
probably somewhere around the 20th to the 30th
before the end of the month so just imagine folks
for the past 20 or so days I've had that score
on repeat. In my head it's all I can listen to
because the music of this movie is just amazing
but valves performance we've talked about. people
who have portrayed Bruce Wayne, Batman. We talk
about Kevin Conroy also may the man rest in peace.
He is resting in peace. Hopefully. Hey, Val and
Kevin. Nevermind. Never, nevermind. They can
compare bad notes anyway, but it's one of those
things where the music brings me closer. to the
characters of whatever it is and just having
that music on repeat and sitting down to watch
this again. The goal here, and this is probably
going to be a short episode, folks, the goal
here for me, because we just watched this two
years ago for the for the Schumacher's Batman
episode, which will be in the show notes. If
you haven't listened to it, episode 61 of this
podcast, folks, I wanted to specifically pay
attention to everything Val did in and out of
costume. And damn that man could act. He was
a perfect Bruce Wayne. His Batman. Probably could
have used a little work, but for what he had
to work with, I think he pulled it off. Yeah,
life was not kind to him. Unfortunately not.
I feel like we would have got a bunch of other
great films from him. Yeah. Had his, you know,
throat cancer not been as severe as it was. And
I've I mean, I've seen other movies with him
in it. I've not seen. Specifically, I've not
seen, uh, like him and in Top Gun. I mean, I've
seen bits and pieces. Not yet. You haven't. That's
going to be next folks. Not next episode, but
it's good. We're doing that this year. And I
know he was in Top Gun Maverick, which was a
nice send off and a thing that Tom Cruise did
for him. Yep. So, I mean, I'm glad that he was
in that and that's the last movie he was in two
years ago. Yep. Speaking of the bat cowl. I saw
there's a guy I know and I mean I don't know
him personally but I follow him and he makes
replica bat costumes of like the 89 film returns
forever. Batman and Robin and he's made various
other bat bat costumes and molds and he sells
them and mostly studios buy them as replicas
and stuff well. Somebody approached him years
ago and had. Requested like because he had the
molds or something to the batman forever suit
right and they were like do you have you know
could you make a batman forever suit and he goes.
Yeah i can do that i have the mold and he's like
what what size you know cuz it's size for val
kilmer and they're like that's perfect. This
is for fel kilmer yeah that's amazing and he
was like oh no way and so like he he got into
production and get it put together and then they
sent it to val. And he was able to rewear. Is
your replica of his costume based on his original
mold. Yeah the guy was like so while i didn't
physically get to meet fel kilmer my work did.
Yes absolutely. That's that's amazing yeah his
debut film was something called top secret in
1984 he was in real genius and eighty five i'm
not gonna go through all this kids people go
to wikipedia look at this themselves. Tombstone
in ninety three is a big one obviously batman
forever heat another one that i noticed him in
another one that i love another one hopefully
i'll do a. with somebody else on here, a Val
Kilmer tribute with his 1999's At First Sight,
where he played Virgil Adamson, who was a guy
who was blind. In that, Kelly McGillis stars
as his sister, which technically that's a top
gun reunion because she was the instructor in,
she was the the she was another Top Gun actor
from 86. So that was kind of cool. Well, I did.
It's funny because Kilmer also was in the James
Silent Bob reboot. Yeah, he was as Blunt Man.
But that was where they used part of the bat
costume. Yeah, of course. Yeah. So I did not
know he was in the Pixar Plains animated movie
as Bravo. I haven't seen the Plains movie. Whatever.
But no, I saw this movie. I did not know he was
in it. I completely forgot he was in it. He's
in Deja Vu from 2006 with Denzel. He plays Agent
Paul Priswara. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah.
That was a good film. Yeah, that was a really,
yeah, we're definitely watching that because
it's a good film, not just because it was Val,
Val is in it, but I love that movie. Uh, but
no, I mean, just looking at when I watched Batman
forever today, I looked at how he approached
Bruce Wayne and Batman and The way he approached
Batman was interesting because When he's in the
suit Depending on like when he's in the suit
with Alfred he's kind of He's kind of childish
Like that that exchange You should take a sandwich
with you, sir. I'll get drive through. Like that's
kind of childish. That's kind of telling your
parents, I'm going to eat fast food more than
take a turkey sandwich to, to work kind of thing.
When he's with Robin, when he's with Chris O'Donnell,
when he's with Dick Grayson, he's kind of more
of the parent in the bit. Like the whole. Even
though most the argument happens once he's out
of the suit in the cave like you could have got
yourself killed blah blah blah you're not gonna
be my partner blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah when he's acting against the villains or
the other criminal numbskulls. Obviously, he's
Batman and the resourcefulness of Batman. He
puts that on full display and he makes it comical,
but he makes it useful. The opening scene with
the guard in the vault. Excuse me, I need to
borrow this. Pulls the guy's hearing aid out
of his ear. Like that technically is an Adam
West move. That's something Adam West would do,
but the way Val did it was sort of an homage
to Adam West, but it's also a smart Batman thing
of using your surroundings at the same, you know
what I mean? Like just the, and maybe that was
written in the script. Maybe he was told to do
that, but again, just the way. he portrayed it
made it look to me like he's a competent Batman.
He knows what the hell he's doing. He makes this
shit look good because that's what he's there
to do. And then his Bruce, I mean, his Bruce
is on a whole different level. Like, yeah, you
have Michael Keaton's Bruce and Michael Keaton's
Bruce kind of went there a little bit, but Val
Kilmer's Bruce Wayne goes down the rabbit hole.
of his parents' death. I think Batman Forever
is the first film, might be the only film in
live. I don't want to speak too soon because
we are going to get to the Dark Knight trilogy
later this year too, folks. Considering Batman
Begins is 20 years old this year. But at the
time, Forever was the first film that really
delved deep into the psychosis or the psychology
of Bruce Wayne dealing with his parents death
and him telling Dr. Chase Meridian. I I'm in,
I'm in my father's office or I'm in my father's
library. I see this book on his desk and then
I'm running. I'm into this. I'm into that. And
I fall into this giant hole and I see this giant
bat and all of a sudden everything came to me.
And the point is. When I watched this movie this
time around, yeah, I had fun with all the fun
moments with the Riddler and Two -Face and all
that. I had fun seeing the Batmobile. I love
the Forever Batmobile. I absolutely do. But I
really got an appreciation even more now than
I had before. For the way that Val portrayed
Bruce and Batman. Yeah, I mean he was he was
definitely one of the better Batman it just Overall,
I didn't like Christian Bale's Batman, but I
liked it more than George Clooney's But that's
not saying much like I hated the fact that he
I don't wear hockey pads I hated that aspect
but I also hated the I mean I think he's Bruce
Wayne was was pretty good as Batman was kind
of media like he definitely had that playboy
like. Duck up like rich boy thing going on. You
know especially when he's like all the hotel
I bought it yeah like. Yeah where is this it's
more of. And then you get the the Ben Affleck
Batman and it's like Bruce I felt like his Bruce
was good Because he kind of looks like the Batman
animated series Batman a little bit He looks
like the the animated version and then his you
know, his regular costume Batman was more of
the Dark Knight Returns Yeah style, but for a
progression from Keaton, I feel like Kilmer did
a pretty good job with what he was given Yeah
I mean, they're going for more of a lighthearted
Batman over the the Tim Burton dark stuff that
was going on. I mean, you got you got some CG
of, you know, Wayne Towers, you got. Him trying
to relate. And fire enigma. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
that's the thing. Like you go, you know. I don't
remember how much of... Okay, in Batman Returns,
I know we have a lot of Bruce at Wayne Enterprises
or whatever kind of thing, because Mack Shrek
and whatever else, but in Batman, I don't remember
how much Bruce is at the company, dealing with
the company stuff itself. Here... specifically
because negma comes from wane enterprises he
works for bruce wayne and you get ed bagley jr
as as a stickly. As a big news immediate boss
kind of thing. So i like it so that's why i like
this this this movie is more i wanna say and
i could be wrong probably wrong in the percentages
of this folks but i wanna say this movie is eighty
twenty. It's 80 % Bruce Wayne 20 % Batman and
I'm not saying that as a man as a negative I'm
saying that because That's kind of what I mean
Batman is there He's in a lot of the scenes there
are a lot of fight scenes, but most of this is
a Psychological look at Bruce Wayne. It's almost
like it's like the Know why they called the doctor
at the end. I know why they called him dr. Burton
obviously I Was half hoping they would call him
dr. Strange because this really feels like the
strange secret of Bruce Wayne now the helmet
like the helmet scene I find it funny that Bruce
would even entertain it but like Kilmer plays
and very like straight -laced and like willing
to give it a shot and he's got that kind of serious
look on his face and you know, he's kind of evaluating
things and I just loved how like serious Val
played the role despite, you know, aspects where
he, uh, he's kind of messing with the duality
of Batman and Bruce Wayne. Yeah. Well, if you
think about it, you got two actors in this movie
who are playing dual roles or technically three,
but But between Bruce and Edward, you got Bruce
and Batman, Edward and the Riddler, because Edward
needs his day face, which is Edward. And then
obviously his more crazy face, which is the Riddler,
which he eventually embraces full time. Obviously
afterwards, but the whole. I wonder, I wonder
how this would have played out had the Riddler
been with Robin Williams. Oh. Yeah that you imagine
the difference in performance from the riddlers
character. Yes with robin williams cuz i mean
robin williams not that jim carrey can't play.
Right serious but you would have gotten a different
tone. Of the manic part or of the seriousness
with. The riddler and it would have played differently
and made it a little bit darker. I feel with
Bruce, I think it's funny though, too, where
like Bruce's and Wayne enterprises and he gets
goes through the tunnel and gets briefed on.
You know, the stuff from Alfred stops in the
pod, comes out and he's in like a mini bat cave
and Wayne enterprises. Or not Wayne enterprises,
but like, you know, the bat cave. That's a tunnel
system he probably has over the entire city.
Wherever he needs to go that that office thing
from office to home that that went to the actual
bat cave That's not a mini bat cave. That's what
I wondered like yeah I mean it took me a minute
to notice cuz I'm like, oh Elford would not be
in a you know, I load No, no, no. No, that was
from office to home from home to office. That's
a 200 mile per hour public Wow Talk about not
needing traffic lights. Thank you very much.
But yeah, no, I love that scene the way you have
Kilmer and Carrie playing off of each other as
the two business sides of their personalities
Like, you know, Nigma has to one -up him. Oh
you wish you looked this good in this suit or
this that you know, it just is so It's so fun
and it's so it's so interesting and absolutely
Just it's so great and Kilmer just out of all
the Bruce Wayne's that have been in live -action
They're interchangeable for me, but I'll say
Keaton's one and Kilmer's two But they're really
interchangeable for me everybody else that's
played Bruce Wayne in live -action Whatever obviously
Clooney's last on the list but like literally
those two they're the only two I think of when
I think of Bruce Wayne in live action when it
comes to film specifically I'm not talking about
TV because that's a whole other separate thing
and I'm only specifically talking about live
action because there is only. Really one animated
Batman Bruce Wayne the other thing I noticed
about this a little bit. Is he kind of slightly
not all the way, but he kind of slightly does
voice change a little bit when he's talking as
Bruce to Nigma. It's a Bruce Wayne like general
voice thing, but when he's talking to Alfred
or when he's Talking to Harvey, but he's not
in the suit. But he wants to convey the Batman
per he changes it a little bit. It's a very subtle
that I noticed it so well, he went more serious
and less. Yeah, you know, well, yeah, but yeah,
and that's the thing about this movie is that
you needed a serious Bruce Wayne to fight. the
comedy that is the rest of the movie, including,
you know, Mr. Ventura in a question mark costume.
But yeah, no, he led a great life, as far as
I know. Unfortunately, the pneumonia thing sucks,
because nobody should be dying of pneumonia.
But, and then the throat cancer thing just, uh,
just sucks. I wish he could have beaten that.
I really do. That would have been awesome if
he could have beaten that. And originally, he
was reluctant to even seek medical treatment
for it because of his Christian science beliefs.
He didn't ultimately go for chemotherapy. Uh,
and two tracheotomies. Holy crap. And he did
beat it. He did beat the cancer in 2020. He reported
that him in cancer free for four years, but he,
he just, man, he was an actor who brought a lot
of joy to a lot of people in various ways in
various roles. And even though in this episode
of the podcast, we were focusing on Bruce Wayne,
Batman. I do have plans for Steve and I as well
as other people and myself to discover and discuss
other films that Val did over the rest of this
year. Like I said, I don't know exactly when,
because I have to look at the schedule and I'm
not looking at the schedule right now. I know
Steve and I are going to do a Top Gun double
feature where we talk about the two Top Gun movies.
So we will be doing that. If somebody wants to
do tombstone with me, we can do that. I don't
have a problem with that. I like tombstone. It's
been a long time since I've seen that movie.
Okay. Well, if you want to do it, that's fine.
I'm not saying I don't want to know that. I don't
want to just, I mean, after 15, 16 years of friendship,
I know usually we volunteer each other for shit,
but I don't want to just do it on air. So. So
yeah and since you did already say that you love
the deja vu i know at least we can do that but
like i don't even i forgot he was in that like
i like that movie for other i like that movie
because it was the one telling denzel be telling
denzel i don't think this is a great idea that's
right and denzel's like no no no no and he was
the guy running the whole program. and he's like
no I'm telling you this is not and he's like
I don't care I gotta do you know I got it yeah
I gotta do okay I got it I got it very cool very
cool folks if you are somehow living under a
rock and you've never seen Batman forever first
of all go have some fun and watch Batman forever
second of all look at it in the lens of a character
study Bruce Wayne batman if you're a batman fan
and you somehow missed this jam look at it as
a bruce wayne batman character study and look
at how. Val kilmer portrayed the character and
let us know what you think because holy crap.
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Well. All right, folks, we are back here inside
Studio 2009. Tribute to Val Kilmer as Bruce Wayne
Batman in Batman Forever, 30th anniversary of
that film this year. I absolutely love that movie,
love Val's performance as Bruce Wayne Batman.
Any final thoughts from you, sir? Anything you'd
like to say before I run through the closing?
Any promotions you want to do? Any, anything?
Uh, no, just, uh, looking forward to some stuff,
uh, coming up later this year on GeekCast Radio,
now that my schedule's freeing up. Yay, freeing
schedules, yay! Yeah. Uh, value will be missed.
Thank you for everything you gave to us. Thank
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