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BBY1 for Andor's season two, part four, which

includes the final three episodes of Andor's

season two, episodes 10 through 12. I, you know,

I don't like that it's BBY1, because I mean,

it's literally like, no, because it's literally

like what, a week? Yeah, before. Yeah. I don't

know. I guess zero technically is the battle

of Yavin. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't know.

I think they they they trip themselves up in

their whole system this way. No, I think they

I think they did it right. Because if you look

at it, 1980 to 1989 is 10 years. Yes, but you

know that technically you count the 10 -year

on the No, it's 1981 to 1990. I think no, it's

zero to nine. Is it? Yes Other people will argue

one to one to zero, but other people like me

will argue other people like you. Okay, exactly

Argue the correct way. I'm glad we're not recording

facial I'm not making an okay, you're a crazy

person to face at all. Exactly. You can't see

me. Not at all. All right, folks. Episode 10

of Andor, season two. Make it stop, please. Make

it stop. One year after the events on Gorman,

Lonnie reports to Luthen that the Empire is building

a secret weapon. Oh, shit. Yeah, but the whole

point is nobody knows that Yeah, exactly. In

fact, in fact like one of like I remember when

I first watched like the first episode of the

season and Krennic is is yammering about the

energy project. I'm like, yeah, ain't you building

the Death Star? Exactly. Yeah Like I didn't why

didn't even make the like it wasn't until this

Episode that I think I made the connection that

they actually they literally say they hit you

over the head with it, which you know, apparently

I needed Yeah, the energy project is a code name

for the Death Star. The Death Star. Yeah, I figured

it out immediately. I was like, what single thing

would drag me to this forsaken basement? Say

it. Say the word. Death Star. Oh, that's how

they're hiding it in the line items of the budget.

Don't think they really paid $400 for a hammer,

do you? I mean, Bruce Wayne would have, probably.

Maybe. It would have been a cool hammer, though.

Absolutely. Anyway, yeah, Lonnie, Lonnie Young.

That was another thing is like they call him

Lonnie all the way up to this episode, then he's

Young. And I'm like, OK, because if you recall

in the previous episode or the two episodes ago,

we had a little bit of that. little bit of an

issue because you were referring to characters

by their last name and i was referring to characters

by their first name first name yep but uh yeah

he's lani yung and he sends an emergency signal

to luthen and that triggers a meeting in the

park very classic 70s government paranoia conspiracy

staple is meeting in the park Waiting for the

sniper on the roof to just be there Oh, no Lonnie

says there's no sniper on the roof because he

would not have gotten out of that building No,

I know I would not have gotten out of that building

if if they had known what I know yeah, so the

whole thing is he and And they this is explained

a little more a little later on Yep, but Idra

has been like Scooping up in her in her quest

to get access. I think also partially because

of her involvement with the Gorman project She's

been scooping up information and she really wasn't

bothering to like coordinate it or anyway, she

scooped up all this information and What happened

was she there was a this is explained again later,

but like The shorter version is they figure out

who Luthen is. The Empire has figured out who

Luthen is. She's calling in a strike force to

take down Luthen. Lani is warning him. But in

the process of finding out that they were assembling

a strike force, he looked into it and discovered

something even bigger. Even bigger, yeah. That

they're building a giant moon -sized space weapon

called the Death Star. So he's there to tell...

Lutheran look either coming for you, but be the

Empire has like this big thing The energy project

has been a big lie Gorman Jetta calcite hyper

crystals. It's all part of this huge thing to

give the Emperor Permanent, you know undisputable

power Yep, cuz you have the ability to vaporize

a planet. No one's gonna mess with you So you

got it. You gotta get me and my wife and my kid

off planet Yeah, and Lutheran's like, yeah, okay,

you know, I mean that the conversation is very

sort of tense and back and forth and yeah He

doesn't want to tell him everything Lutheran

wants to know everything, but he does tell I

love how you word it. My first thought is power

unlimited power Kind of yeah Crenic says it's

credit says something like in that first episode,

you know unlimited power for the galaxy. Yeah

With galaxy meaning Emperor Palpatine. Yeah.

Yeah, that's the whole point of the Death Star

though Because that's why he dissolves the the

Senate after he gets that thing up and running

Yes, because fear will keep the systems in control

fear and the governor's will keep system in control

and fear fear of this space station Well, then

we you know, we don't need the bureaucracy anymore

Like do what we say or we blow up your planet.

Very simple. Very simple Yeah, so long as you

didn't hire Galen or so to to station Exactly.

It was a great plan except when it wasn't. Yep.

Anyway, we had the conversation and then there's

a quick cut. Well, so it's interesting. Luthen

does say to Lonnie, they'll take them to Yavin.

Yep. And Lonnie's like, Yavin, what's Yavin?

And he's like, don't worry about it, we'll be

safe there. Yeah, exactly. And I wonder, and

we'll get to it like literally a second, next

shot is Luthen kind of like hurriedly walking

somewhere to hook up with Clea. Not hook up with,

but to meet up with Clea. Yeah and it cuts back

to this great scene where you see Lonnie sitting

on the bench from the behind and the guy is walking

his wolf cat. I love the little like this is

why this thing cost 650 million dollars because

there are little details like he's not walking

a dog he's walking a wolf cat. The wolf cat wants

to go over and say hi and jump on Lonnie as the

wolf cats do and the camera pans up and Lonnie

has been shot in the heart. Yes he has. I have

my question you my friend my co host you think

you have done that anyway or do you think that

was just because you mentioned yavin i think

it was because i mentioned yavin. I definitely

think when i was getting off that bench because

i mentioned yavin yeah i think when he could

have gotten off that bench if he had just given

what information he was supposed to give and

just walked away. But because even like not demanded

details, I think right, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

but because what happened happened Lonnie not

gonna be living no more. You kind of go what

happened to his wife and a little baby child

little there? He said yeah, we don't know anyway,

so so Luther and clay I hook up He's saying hook

up. All right, they meet up and And luthan immediate

like he drills her. He's like look we've got

to get out of here now i'm gonna go back to the

shop and like wreck our Erase our trail. Yeah

our equipment. They can't track us. He gives

you like a quick rundown like uh Gorman, what's

the name of the other place? It's oh god. It's

it's gorman gorman. Jetta Jetta He doesn't say

kyra gorman jeden kyber crystals Yeah. Uh, Galen

or so. Galen or so, yeah. Galen or so, you know,

super weapon, very bad. Meet me at the show.

Yeah, very bad. Meet me wherever they're going.

I don't even know where they're planning on going.

Um, and she's like, no, no, no, I should go do

this. He's like, no, I'm going to go do it. He

goes back to the shop and he starts burning the

little, uh, little 1940s. It's the operator.

The fractal radio. Yep. Oh, okay. I always think,

I always think of like. Lily Tomlin doing the,

uh, the operator lady with the things and the,

but he starts burning that. And then he hears

the doorbell. It was shot. He goes out there

and it's Deidre. And this is a fantastic scene.

Yes. This is an amazing. Yeah. Because they're

playing with each other and they each think the

other one doesn't know that they're playing with

them. And it's so good. And there's this great

line where like she asks him, and I didn't think

of this myself. I, I, I, you know, I wish I had,

because it was very clever. She says, how do

you know there aren't any fakes in here? And

he's like, there are two items in this shop of

dubious origin. And he's, or something like that,

like two items in the shop that aren't what they

seem. And of course, he's talking about them.

Yeah. I was like, oh, I didn't get that the first

time. I saw someone say, hey, he's talking about

them. I'm like, oh, this is why I watch YouTube

videos. Yep. So and they they they dance and

he shows up He shows her a knife and I actually

in the previous arc and or was playing with a

knife in the shop But it's a different knife.

I was like, oh is that the same knife? No, it's

not today No, it is it and this one's just like

a normal knife. You know, it's Yeah, that's dead

and blah blah blah. It's a natural Ian bleeder.

Yeah That's what the wook up and I know and there's

also did you see the gungan skull? Yes There

was a Gungan skull, and apparently Gungan ears

have bones. There was a Gungan skull, and then

it's got like a weird sigil on it that's from

some Sith Lord or something. Oh my god. It might

be like some... I don't know, but anyway, she's

like, I've got something to show you. She pulls

out the thing that Luthen had gone to Ferex to

buy from Andor in season one. Yep. That's her

way of going, ha ha ha, I know who you are. And

they still dance around a little bit, but then

she gets distracted. They had this whole conversation.

This is a whole great conversation where they're

dancing around each other. It's beautiful. It's

brilliant. And then she notices smoke coming

from the back room and she freaks out because

she knows that he's been destroying evidence.

She tells him to turn around because he's got

his back to her and then the knife hits the ground

and it's all bloody because he stabbed himself.

He's trying to commit suicide. He's trying to

commit suicide, yep. She calls in the medics.

I was not expecting that. Oh, yeah. He's access

she's got to have him alive. You got to hook

him up to that that audio tape of dying alien

children to blow his mind and he knows he knows

about Yavin. He knows about everything. Yeah,

can I lose this guy? Yeah, I understand that.

But I was not expecting him to kill him. Yeah,

that's what I wasn't expecting. I was expecting

her to, you know, take him away in cuffs. And

try to interrogate that's what i was that was

i would i was not expecting him to try it off

himself. I was the only route for him like we

are unfortunately. Yeah you know i go back and

forth on that because the fan boy watch star

wars when you were six. I wish you'd gone out

with a bomb or this you know fighting. But that

doesn't fit the show that doesn't know it doesn't

know I know I know but I'm hiding my own Yeah,

because it is like this was my favorite character

on it Well, my second favorite character on the

show and it is, you know, I mean it is almost

It is how Lutheran rail would go out. Oh, yeah,

absolutely I just wasn't expecting it to be I

think we all went into the season knowing he

was going to die Mm -hmm. It was just you know

again you kind of like Yeah, you stupidly think

oh, he's gonna like be in the cockpit of the

spaceship boom. No. No, that's not this show.

No Although it is interesting like a lot of people

are ticked off that like the Empire got his ship

She mentioned later that like that's how that

she found out about him Yeah, the Empire they

caught and they interrogated but of course Max

guy screwed it up and killed the guy, but he'd

mentioned that he was on this one kind of ship,

which is the kind of ship that Luther uses. Yep.

So people are like, ah, man, that sweet ass ship

got taken by the Imperials. Yeah. There's lights

on things. Yeah. Yeah, I remember. I think more

so I was expecting something like Andor didn't

get to him in time to say, like I wasn't expecting

like, yes, I was expecting Lutheran to do something

similar. to attend, but like I was, I don't know,

I was expecting something more of like, and or

coming in at the last moment of one of those

sappy moments of I'm sorry, I couldn't get here

sooner to save you and Luthen being like, it's

okay, I'm not worth saving type of moments is

kind of what is kind of where I was expecting

that kind of to happen. I was not expecting it

to happen because You know, he wanted to stop

her from interrogating him and getting the information

and all that and trying to keep him alive. But

where that leads because of where this does happen,

where that leads in the events that, Oh man,

I think that was way more powerful anyway. Yeah.

And it was, it was, it was cool. They wheel him

out. Like they, they, they managed to stabilize

them and they wheel them out under a shuttle.

The clay is kind of in the crowd and she sees

that. Yep. They take him to Empire General Hospital.

And there's two tracks to this episode at this

point. There's, Kleia has flashbacks to when

they meet. Yep. And then there's Kleia going

full fucking Mission Impossible, getting into

that hospital. Which is completely shut down.

Well, it's not completely shut down, but it's

largely shut down. Particularly that entire floor

is shut down because of the Empire. Yep. And

then there's a third track, which is that Deidre

wasn't supposed to do that. No. that's that's

not like apparently even after gorman didger

did not get the access job back no she's doing

that on her own time that's part of why lani

was was was was tipped off because she was doing

it without authorization and one of the people

that she contacted to get the squad together

was a friend of lani's because that's kind of

been lani's thing particularly this season is

being buddies with everybody and and being friends

and networking so he gets all this information

So this friend who was part of the squad asked

Lani, can we do this? Should we do this? Because

this isn't official. And that's how Lani immediately

was like, okay, they know Luthen. That's why

he looked into Deidre's stuff. That's how he

found out about the Death Star. That's the whole

thing. If Deidre had played by the rules, the

rebellion would have failed. Yavin would have

been vaporized. The Death Star would have been

indestructible because they would have never

known about Elinor So. So there's the flashbacks,

and then there's her infiltrating the hospital,

getting... Well, first she goes to the safe house

and gets some gear, and then she infiltrates

the hospital. She goes in pretending to be an

injured person, and she steals some nurse's scrubs.

She's able to move around the hospital. Meanwhile,

Deidre is arrested. The guy, his name's Heed?

I can't remember. He's been in this season, but

like... He's kind of been like a second rate

guy. He's always been like Lonnie's sidekick.

Now he was a guy that was given access. And he

comes in and he takes control of the situation.

And he's like, you screwed this all up. Now our

guy's in the hospital and he's dying. Meanwhile,

they've found out what was on her computers.

Krennic is showing up to deal with the situation.

Yeah, so Krennic shows up and I believe the character's

name is Hurt. Hurt, okay. Hurt reveals that part

of gas has ordered him to arrest her. Uh, when

mirror reacts with shock, he replies that he

has come with ISB Marshall to save face. So yeah,

so this is, yeah, this is the man. This, this

show is so damn good. In my notes, the, with

Clea and, and, and, um, Luther, the. Seeing her

past and how they know each other and like that,

that whole parallel. I love that. I love when

shows do characters like that. When, when they

tell a story from the point of view of Lutheran,

you know, kind of being the father figure to

her. And then in his time of need, which obviously

later becomes his time of need. And she gets

to be the one to, to do the right thing. You

know what I mean? Like I, I love them. You mean,

I just, I, I guess I trip over the word gets.

Okay. But all right. No, it's just, it's just,

it's a semantic thing. Like I understand what

you're saying. And I, and I think you're right.

I just like the way it's phrase is like, She

gets to be the one. It's like, no, well, she

has to be the one and it's kind of hard. Yeah.

Yeah. She, yeah. Oh no, absolutely. It's, it,

it, it's emotionally scarring. Don't get me wrong.

I'm saying versus like somebody just like, okay,

so Luthen attempted to kill himself. They go

to save him because Deirdre is like, no, we need

to keep him alive so we can question him instead

of letting Instead of them getting to question

him, Clea gets to the point of her mission of

saving him to the point of getting to be the

one to let him go. Instead of them, you see what

I'm trying to say? She saves what everything

he's fought for. It's not about him. The whole

thing about Lutheran Rail is it's not about him.

It's about a sunrise we'll never see. It's about

a better galaxy, which we all know doesn't pan

out. But don't think about the sequels. Never

think about the sequels. It is interesting. The

first flashback, he's part of an imperial...

The planet but he doesn't have the weird little

like pillbox insignia thing Yeah, sergeant Lear

just railed backwards. Yeah, and He's he's on

a mission that's murdering a bunch of local people

on some planet I don't even think they tell you

where they might have I haven't will competed

it and He goes back to the ship because he's

all freaked out by all the death and chaos and

destruction And like we're gonna burn everybody

on the ridge and there's a little girl hiding

in the ship He doesn't see her at first, he's

freaking out, he's like, make it stop, make it

stop, you know, because he can hear the screams.

Make it stop, make it stop, make it stop. And

you know, the radio's like, Sergeant Lear, where

are you? Sergeant Lear. And a guy comes on board

and he's like, where are you? You know, they

want us on the ridge, they want us to do this,

they want us to do that. And he's like, I'll

be there in a minute. I just got to like get

the computer booted up and it's booting up slow.

He does see the girl and he kind of reaches out

to her. But like, the uniform was... Kind of

like and again, this was you know 15 he says

I think 15 years ago like four years ago like

in season one He says that he started this 15

years before yeah So that would have been at

this point like 19 years before but it doesn't

look like an imperial unit like it Look, I couldn't

quite tell what color it was. Was it black or

red? He didn't have this the pips I Get what

they were saying, but I didn't get who he was

working for I assume it was the Empire. I've

read he was an Imperial soldier. Following the

dawn of the first Galactic Empire at the end

of the Clone Wars, and 19 BB wife would become

home to many Imperial loyal citizens with Lear

himself joining the Imperial army as trooper

and arising to the rank of sergeant in time.

So he was a part of the Imperial Army. My point

being that if you're not reading Wookipedia,

I feel this is a little... It's a little too

deep. You know what's going on? He's a sergeant

who's involved in a terrible thing. Yes. He hooks

up with Clea. But I don't read Imperial from

what I saw. I had to... And keep in mind, I am

a fanboy. I know. I was a little confused. I

mean, I wasn't I don't know how to put it. I

wasn't confused confused. I wasn't like what's

going on? Yeah, like is he imperial or is he

something else and I read he was imperial and

it makes more sense if he was imperial He didn't

the uniform wasn't black. It wasn't gray. It

wasn't green. It was kind of reddish Yeah, that's

just my eyes are garbage. I which is a fair And

the photo that wikipedia had that wikipedia has

about that time when it's just a headshot photo.

So you only, I only saw like the, like where

his neck, like where his neck and chest are.

It's a gray, it's a dark color. It doesn't even

show if it's brown. I could think that maybe

it was black. It was like a faded light coming

in. That's what I kind of got the second time

around. Yeah. So I wish he'd had the stupid insignia.

Yeah, let's hope that's for yeah. Oh, but in

the Clone Wars the Imperial like well, okay look

nerds They do whatever they want. Like all we

needed was one clone trooper helmet All we needed

was a familiar gun. All I needed was one little

thing at context, but you know to be fair I had

context but I mean At some point you do kind

of have to go it's Star Wars. You could give

me something. Yep, but anyway, he included hookup

Changes his name from leader to rail immediately

like if that was a little weird too, like I had

a little issues with the flashbacks Yeah, they

immediately start selling ancient I mean at first

it's on like a local black market So it's not

worth as much but he's immediately doing antique

dealing stuff like which is not like if I I don't

know like if I ever Had to start a rebellion.

I don't know that my first impulse would be I

will trade and it elicits artifacts i'll be like

a twisted indiana jones and sell the cross of

coronado to fund my rebellion okay um the difference

is i don't i don't i don't think rail is gonna

go out and get a whip and a and a hat and go

traipsing across the world to get it back but

you know what i mean though um yeah and then

eventually they uh they do they do fast forward

to their their first official act against the

others Another cut where they're walking around,

and they see some people being massacred by obvious

stormtroopers, and Clay is upset, and Rail gives

her a speech about how you play the long game.

Which means that sometimes you lose. You can't

save everybody, you play the long game. And then

they cut to Naboo, and I've read about this.

It is Naboo, they're on Naboo. They actually

filmed where they filmed Naboo in Italy. Nice,

very cool. And the whole thing is, he does his

first terrorist act. there's like a bridge that's

being like um blockade's not the word i'm looking

for there are imperial troops using this bridge

as a security checkpoint or something yeah and

they're at a cafe overlooking the bridge and

again they have this discussion because some

innocent people might be killed by the explosion

i think is what the problem is she's looking

around all the people in the cafe and she's like

she particularly knows it's like a family with

another child i'm in my my mind i was like she's

thinking what if there's a child on the bridge

when the bomb goes off Yeah, and the reason he

chose Naboo was because it's the Emperor quote

-unquote the Emperor's homeworld, which is a

thing I've never really delved into all the books

and comics and nonsense to do I've always kind

of thought that that that Naboo was like a The

Palpatine sort of picked Naboo Because it was

convenient Yeah a plan. I don't know that he

was I mean he was from Naboo. He was a senator

from Naboo, but I I've you know, obviously like

someone like rail would know or would think that

he's from I don't I've never really thought never

assumed that Palpatine the chief Palpatine was

born on Naboo over that way he adopted it as

his adopted home world to be Convenient for his

whole now, maybe he was born there and then he

adapted his plot to that The whole point was

that Naboo was a kind of isolated a well -known

planet and it was also small and seeing it picked

on would cause a galactic crisis. I get it. And

the whole point was he was a minor senator who

wasn't big and flashy. That was the whole point.

He wasn't like Bale Antilles. He was a humble

little Palpatine over here. No one would suspect

him. I get it. I don't know. I'm getting hung

up on the fact that I don't know that. But this

is how my brain works. I'm sorry. I understand.

The wheels got caught in the mud. It's like,

is the Palpatine really from that boo? I don't

know. Yes. Yes, he is. All right. Well, I don't

know. That's Wikipedia. Ask me about Coyote Mooney

sometime. Wikipedia. They betrayed us. They turned

on us. Born on the mid rim planet Naboo in 84

BBY as the high report where they there ended

With a hair as the High Republic era ended Sidious

possessed a strong nation. Okay, we are in all

that Anyway point being that he at first Lutheran

tries to force Clare to set off the bomb and

she can't do it He does it and he's like Liz.

You know, this is an important lesson. You got

to learn you got it, you know This is again the

entire point of the season is what price are

you willing to pay? Yep And there's another nice

little moment where he sets off the bomb or she

looks before he sets off the bomb. He's like

don't look Yeah, don't look and then he sets

off the bomb and then it goes off and he's like

now you can look now We gotta get out here. But

while all that's going on he infiltrates the

hospital. She gets the scrubs She gets an ET

alien kind of I think they're supposed to be

the same alien people. I don't know as who's

like, you know In a wheelchair and she's willing

the the alien around going Oh her daughter's

on level blah blah blah and the troopers like

no you can't go up there She actually sneaks

up a back scare staircase that the surgeons use

A little bit later one of the there's a little

bit later the reviewing the tapes because there's

surveillance videos on the hospital you know

and heat is like Hey, you know are like the guys

like hey, she's not looking at the cameras and

he's like, yeah, she knows they're there It's

like yeah She's like, well, there's a back stair

up, there's a surgical stairway, something versus,

there's a staircase that the doctors take. If

there are no cameras, because the doctors don't

like it. She knew that, so she got up there and

she's blasting a couple guys here and there.

And eventually, when she gets to that floor,

where Luthen's being held, which has been like,

everyone's been cleared out of that floor but

Luthen, there are troops everywhere, she sets

off a bunch of bombs in a spaceport nearby. Don't

even know if it's the ambulance loading bay,

but like it was ISB They just specifically mentioned

that the ships that got blown up were ISB ships

Yeah, they're swarming the hospital because I've

got access so all the troops are like or under

attack or under attack and they all like rush

out different couple We get shot because she's

like, you know, she's definitely gonna screw

you BAM kind of attitude And so she finally gets

to the room where Luther's being held. He's got

some weird life support thing going on She goes

in there There's a moment where she kind of like

she doesn't literally say goodbye, but you know,

she's stealing herself to say goodbye She shuts

off the machine loose and kind of moans a little

bit and then he goes he did I Feel like episode

10 had the slowest start to one of these arcs

I feel like the pace of the beginning of this

episode. Well, the beginning of this episode

was the Deidre, uh, was, was the Lonnie Luthen

and then the Deidre stuff. That, that was the...

I know, but it just kinda... That was the meat

for me. I dunno. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm

just saying compared to how the other episodes

started, like how episode seven started, how

episode four started, even how episode one started,

I think that one specifically started with the

spaceship thing. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But absolutely

kind of like deal with critics who are like,

this is a Star Wars. There is no spaceship. There's

no pew pew. But that's what we love about Andor.

What I love about Andor is that it could accommodate

both. Right exactly like and that's what we said

in the in the season one discussion that we had

and I remember this specifically when we had

that discussion I don't even need to listen to

the episode we recorded I remember saying to

you after I first watched season one I said Holy

crap Star Wars can do other things besides laser

swords. I love this shit like I was so surprised

with Andor season one, and I loved it because

it was just Andor and all the other characters,

but specifically Cassie and Andor doing things

with blasters and this, that, and the other thing

and adventure. We've said it before. We'll say

it again. He's kind of like the Indiana Jones

of star wars, even though he does the Han Solo

character. He shoots first. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

I'd like to think I'd like to think he's a little

smarter than Han. Well, that would be hard. Han

Solo is my childhood hero, but a genius he is

not. But what gets me is that people, even when

talking about season two, would go, oh, it's

really good, but I just want the lightsaber and

the space wizard. And I'm like, fuck no. Get

your shitty lightsabers out of here. I might

be wrong about the numbers. But I think even

in the prequels, when the Jedi were at their

height, there were only 6 ,000 of them. And there

weren't a lot. The whole point is there weren't

a lot of them. And the galaxy has quadrillions

of people. So that the idea that every story

has to follow the space wizards with their laser

swords, you're limiting yourself to the stories

you can tell in a huge way. And I think, you

know, the Mandalorian kind of skirted around

it with that because we still got baby Yoda.

Yeah. But, um, you know, I feel like. And or

proves and I think if this IP is going to survive,

I'm not saying you should never do a Jedi story.

I'm not saying you should never do a Skywalker

story. I'm not saying that. Right. That is the

heart of Star Wars. I use the analogy of the

burger joint like General Tso's chicken. Like,

the heart of Star Wars is the burger joint, is

the Skywalker Saga, is the Jedi, is the Force.

That's the heart of it. That's the Star Wars

-y, you know, fairy tale. That is the heart of

it. But you can, you're not your heart. No. You

know, you have your lungs and your liver and

your hands and your brain and your eyes. Like,

the core of it, yes, that's what Star Wars is.

And that is what the Star Warsiest Star Wars

will always be. Yes. But you can go beyond, like

for a franchise to be healthy and survive, you

have to risk going beyond it. And I think not

only did they go beyond it with Andor, but they

went, they did a really good, because I mean,

the worst thing you can do is go beyond it and

do a bad job. Yeah, exactly. And Andor went beyond

it and did a fantastic job. Yep. But yeah, okay,

it doesn't have the thing that you like best

about Star Wars. There are no Trandoshans in

Andor. There are no Wookiees in Andor. I love

those things. The Millennium Falcon's not in

Andor. It's still my second favorite Star Wars

thing of all time. I always go to Empire because

Empire is the more Star Wars -y Star Wars. Oh,

agreed. Yeah, absolutely. And the thing about

Andor is that it subtly does the Star Wars thing.

So subtly, it gives like, it gives you like,

I remember, but there's a moment at the end,

almost at the very, very end, uh, where it brings

it all together. And I, okay. Okay. We're not

going to get, okay. It involves bail. You know

what I'm thinking about? There's a line of dialogue

involving bail that I think it all together.

Absolutely. Perfect. Yeah. Um, but we're not

there yet. We're, we're, we're still, we're still

her father. Yes, yes, she is. But here's the

thing about Andor is that it can be Star Wars

without being the Star Wars that has already

come before it. Like I said before, it subtly

is the subtleness that Star Wars has needed for

48 years. It can do certain things like I remember

when, because obviously we were going to do these

podcasts because you love Andor. I really, really

like Andor. I don't think I, I don't think anybody

can have as much love for it as you do, but it's

one of those things that I really, I really,

really enjoy it. I don't dislike it. There isn't.

There's obviously that one moment that made both

of us feel very, very uncomfortable as it should

have made everyone feel very, very uncomfortable.

However, you know, that not with, you know, that

set aside. Okay, the thing about that is, is

when their argument is, and I agree with it,

that these guys with power would abuse it. Yes.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the rule, I mean,

I've always said that it was, I mean, I've always

said it wasn't that what he did. It's more like

that they just went. as far as they did and as

overt as they did. I think that pushed the boundary

a little further than I was happy to. But again,

the idea that Imperial officers wouldn't take

advantage of their power and position to hurt

and abuse people in that way is ridiculous. And

then people are always like, well, what about

Jabba and Princess Leia? Yeah, exactly. But they

did that in a more Star Wars -y way where it

was... I don't know. Like, I want to say, but

then I immediately flash back. You will learn

to appreciate me. Yeah. Yeah. That's not subtle

at all. Java. My point is outside of that moment,

I have loved almost every, pretty much everything

that this show has done. And There are some Star

Wars things that this show has done. There are

other things that this show has done that are

not Star Wars at all. It's a show. It's a space

science fiction show for everyone, as we've already

said in this podcast and the last one we recorded.

Like my four favorite moments are pretty much

the entirety of the scene when he steals the

tie. Slinger slinger, whatever that. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Um, yes. When he steals

the tie Avenger, when she's walking away in the

darkness of the, who are you? That, that moment,

the other part of that moment, when he even shows

up next to her, I was not expecting. And then

getting to see Yavin like at the end, like just

at the end of the other one, other one of the

episodes. Like those are my four favorite moments

from this season. And I just absolutely really

love this. So yeah. I mean, when we see other

people talking about, well, why doesn't this

show have the, have the, the swords that light

up because it doesn't fucking need it. No, that's

not what this show is for. That's not what this

is about. if this thing is gonna be like at some

point like if if you Want it to keep living and

my thing is if you want the same thing that you

had with Star Wars That was force awake. Look

what I mean, that's what happens when you just

copy something in a sterile way Yeah, I mean

if you have a good story about the Jedi I think

tell it but if you've got a good this universe

is so huge and has so much stuff that like I

almost want to fault Mandalorian for bringing

in baby Yoda to like this because this because

the idea of bounty hunters was the thing the

great thing about that first season of Mandalorian

was there was so much stuff what they did was

they took stuff that we got glimpses of it never

got developed it was very familiar but it was

new there's like an IG droid we never got to

see an IG droid fight we got to see you know

a Boba Fett do cool stuff we got to see it it's

very embarrassed rex back coded We got to see

the UGNOT and we learned about their culture.

That's one of my favorite, even though it's the

worst episode of season three, it's one of my

favorite bits is when he goes, you know, there's

the UGNOTs on the planet of Lizzo planet and

like Katie Sakoff is like ordering them around

and they're not, they're not paying attention

to her. And he talks to them cause he's worked

with Quill and he knows how to talk to UGNOTs.

You got to do it a certain way. Like, but like,

I, you know, I, I, Just you got to let it grow

Beyond this one. I mean you never lose the core.

You never forget what it's about. Yeah, which

again There's there's a moment where I think

it ties together in Landoor Even though it doesn't

have a laser like if you just want keys jangled

in front of your face Watch I mean, there's so

many other I mean so many of the modern franchises

modern franchise, but old franchises being brought

back Like, in desperation, they'll jangle the

keys in front of your face, and you go, that's

a thing I recognize! As much as I enjoyed Star

Trek Next Generation, I've still never watched

Picard Season 3. It does feel very sort of, hey,

that's that guy I like! Hey, it's the Enterprise

-D! Hey, it's a thing! Look, keys jangling! Which

makes my heart, because I love Worf, and every

clip I've seen with Worf is amazing. Just...

I understand the input. We were talking before

we recorded that you want more. We always want

more of the thing we love Mm -hmm, but sometimes

you got to let it go beyond and I think we are

too Locked into what we know and we're afraid

to go beyond what we know I mean you look at

like the last four Star Trek movies have been

Rathacon There's an evil bad guy who hates the

hero who has a big thing that they can't stop.

It's like, okay It's just You got to let again

if you want this thing to be healthy and I'll

use the early MCU, right? Yeah had Winter Soldier,

which was a political thriller Yeah, man, which

was a kind of heist movie and a comedy you had

Guardians of Galaxy Which was also a space movie

and a comedy you had different genres that weren't

quote superhero movies they were there was There

was a theme, they were connected, but there was

also their own identity. I think Star Wars needs,

it doesn't need more Andor, but it needs more

people who are willing to tell a story that is

different. I mean, still within the same world,

still the same rules, but mostly, you know, the

second watch through I started nitpicking a little

more. You know people are like the like I didn't

like the good morning chorus and show but someone

was like, yeah The design looks like the halt

the stuff they see in the holiday special. I'm

like You know like the the harvey corman cooking

show. Yeah, you know and again, that's another

thing. It's like I when we were talking about

uh, um Disturbance in the force there's the one

guy I think you know who he is and I I don't

know who he is He's he was talking about how

the best era of star wars was between Star Wars

and Empire because there were no rules. There

was no plan. There were no rules. There was nobody

at the wheel. I lived through that. I've lived

through, again, we were talking about the continuity

and it's like I've lived through two entire groups

of continuity being flushed into out the airlock.

I'm over it. I'm not worried about it anymore.

You know, I lived through the holidays. I watched

the holiday special. I watched the Ewok cartoon.

I watched the Ewoks live movies. I showed them

on a Betamax VHS tape somewhere, or Betamax tape.

I, you know, read the, I remember the Wheel Saga.

I remember Crimson Jack. I remember, you know,

I had the issue, I read the issue as a kid with

the damn rabbit, which was the story arc after

Star Wars, after the first movie, Magnificent

Seven knockoff. With the giant space rabbit Jackson

a leap is carnivorous. I live through all that

I live through. I went to college. You know they

had this guy named Timothy's on how to before

I went to college they had dark Empire. And then

they had these on books at the Grand Union Thomas

a grand onion. But I mean, and I remember the

issue of Dark Empire, and I've got it somewhere,

where the front page does the Star Wars crawl,

and it's like, oh yeah, by the way, Han and Leia

had two other kids, don't worry about them, they're

on this other planet, because we're doing continuity

now, they're safe, don't worry about, you know,

because the two stories were written independently,

and had no coordination. There's an issue of

Dark Empire, like, oh yeah, Han and Leia also

had these other kids. I remember the first time

I was like, okay, the courtship of Princess Leia.

I'm like, wait a minute. It had three kids. Are

you going back to the story? Oh, gee, I hope

Han and Leia hook up. Like, I mean, I went through

all that. I remember reading Dark Troopers, or

was it Death Troopers, I think is what it's called,

the zombie one. I remember the moment when they're

like. Oh, no, everyone's getting killed by this

plague. There's only three of us left. Oh, there's

this cell. Let's open up. Oh, Han and Chewie

are in there. I'm like, okay. I'm willing to

bet Han and Chewie don't get killed. I just checked

out at that point. I was like, look, the whole

point of a zombie thing is you pick off the characters.

And you got two guys and Han and Chewie. I know

Han and Chewie ain't getting turned into zombies.

Yeah, no. That one lost me. Well, that was...

And then there was the Dark Fleet Crisis, which...

Oh, my... God, I hated that. This is right before

the prequels came out. Luke was looking for a

thing about his mother. And he found this group

of people that were Jedi, but they were better

than the Jedi. They used something better than

the Force. They were better in every way. And

I'm like, oh my God. People think Rey is a Mary

Sue. Rey may not even be a Palpatine. Rey may

have come from this culture. Because it's just

so obnoxiously like, we're better than you, Jedi.

And then Luke was like, I can't be around living

things. It bothers me. I'm like... You can send

a force at all! Like that's when I stopped buying

Star Wars books. But my point of this whole tirade

is that I have lived through every season, every

iteration, every thing of Star Wars. You gotta

let it grow. You can't just live in... Laser

swords and space lasers are the things that I

like. Yeah, okay, good. Open yourself up to other

things. Anyway, so Luthen's dead, Deidre's arrested.

Yep. I can't remember if the interrogation happens

in this episode or the next one. Do you remember?

I don't know. Well, I mean, it's kind of all

one story anyway at this point. Yeah. There's

a whole thing where, like, Krennic shows up.

interrogates Deidre which is a great moment because

his whole thing is you're a rat you're a scavenger

you collected all this information you should

have been collecting and she's like well yeah

if you guys hadn't screwed up my attempt to find

access because they'd captured this guy who had

flown in on Luthen spaceship and he remembered

the kind of spaceship and that's how she made

the connection but the ISP killed them but he's

like there's this great moment where he's like

you know what we're doing he's like yeah the

word. She just quietly goes Death Star. It was

like, ah, cool. Like, and the whole thing is

she figured out that they're building a giant

space weapon. The irony is she doesn't give two

shits about the Death Star. Yeah, no, it doesn't

mean anything to her. She just wanted access.

Like all she cares about is that, you know, she

wanted access. Yeah. Oh, you know, it's kind

of like she's Tonto. And if the Lone Ranger doesn't

tell Tonto the information, how is Tonto supposed

to know what to do when he gets to town? What

if bandits don't beat us? Not out of it. You

never watched Lone Ranger then. No, that is not

how that relationship worked at all. I know.

Disney movie notwithstanding, they over blew

it. But yeah, Tonto knew what the fuck he was

doing. I know Tonto knew what he was doing, but.

I'm referencing an old comedy bit that is from

someone who no one should be mentioning anymore.

Well, gee, I wonder why. Yeah. Anyway, yeah.

So I'm just like you just you hit a nerve because

I grew up watching the Lone Ranger. Mm hmm. Oh,

yeah, I know Jay Silver Hill was not a stupid

character. Mm hmm. Nope. Who else knows? Everybody

but you, Deidre. Everybody but you. It comes

a little bit later, but there's a great line.

Part of Gas has a great line where he and Krennic

confront each other. This is after shit has really

hit the fan. He's like, look, man, it's been

10 years. You're lucky that you kept that secret

this long. I love that line because it kind of

like sort of lampshades the issue, which is like,

look, I get it. But like, you're lucky that you

kept this thing a secret for a decade. Like it's

ridiculous how long it has been. Yeah, the whole

backstory that they just the whole lead up to.

What we already knew of. You're a part of a rebel

alliance and a traitor like. No, it's it's the

line from the open crawl. A small band of rebels

have won a small victory. Like that one line

from the opening crawl created all of this. Amazing.

Yep. So good. Someone said, well, what about

that? As much as people whine about the Bothans,

that's a story you could tell. Yeah. You could

tell the story about the Bothans. Like I would

be interested to know what they're like. At this

point, you were saying, I think before we started

recording, you'd like more Andor. I don't know

that I'd like more Andor, but like the Bothans

story might be fun. Yeah, it would be I just

I don't know like we know Obviously where cuz

by the end of this by episode 12. We know where

Cassian Leads to we we know he's literally on

his way. He's on hit Yeah, yeah, he's on his

way to the events over Oguan and we get it I

understand it but it's just the way that they

leave this freaking show That's why I want more

and or Is the way they. Yeah, I understand. But

at the same time, there's there's there is this

part of my brain that goes, no, no, no. Yeah,

no, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Besides, Disney

doesn't have another three hundred and twenty

five million. I mean, one thing they haven't

talked about in like it's it's been the thing

that everybody's been talking about with that

quote is that is that Tony Gilroy said streaming

is dead. Yeah, he did. Which you know, we were

talking I think we were talking at the beginning

of the last episode about how messed up streaming

has become and how it's it doesn't make money

No, it's been 350 million dollars for each season

of a show Yeah, which is sad considering over

the last This is 2025 2009 Six and a half years

Since well, not even six and a half or whatever

six years or so that you know all the streaming

kind of took over and It was it was it was it

was one thing was successful at it So everybody

and also I think there is this element of control

where we can control everything on streaming

and but it's like But but but they never thought

about the economic model Like you make a movie

you pay money to go see the movie then you sell

the movie to people on home video then you sell

the movie to TV, and TV sells commercials for

the movie. Now it's like, you make a movie, and

it's on streaming, and one guy pays a subscription

fee, and three other people are using his password.

I know they're trying to crack down on that.

Believe me, I know. But there are only so many

people in America, or in the world, there are

only so many people that are gonna... Subscribe

to your service. You're gonna you're gonna max

out immediately. Not immediately, but you're

gonna max out eventually and like You can't go

anywhere at some point. Like it's I mean first

first of all, you're making it too expensive

Yeah, like you've already given up and I would

like to if I could I'm not giving up. I've just

given up for the current time being It's also

like because like I remember when the first season

of Picard came out, I subscribed to Paramount

Plus. And then once it was done, I unsubscribed.

They're talking about changing that so that you

can only do yearly subscriptions. They can lock

you in so that you don't just subscribe for the

two months that your thing is on and bail. But

you can do that right now. The entire model has

been, and I said it was about control, but man,

how much control do you want or need versus how

much money were you making with the old system.

When I was a child, there was a story that we

were told. It was about a goose. The goose laid

golden eggs and someone got a hold of the goose

and was greedy and wanted more eggs than the

goose would lay at one time. So he cut open the

goose and the goose died and there were no more

golden eggs. I was taught that story as a child.

I don't know I have seen time and time Ironically

Star Wars is one of the first what like there

was a game I used to love called Star Wars galaxies

Which was an MMO an early MMO about Star Wars?

Obviously, it was my crack cocaine. Yeah And

they wanted more people because it came out like

right before World of Warcraft and World of Warcraft

hit like a bomb They were like, but we're Star

Wars. We should have more people the World of

Warcraft We're gonna make our game which people

like well enough More like World of Warcraft

which people weren't playing because they didn't

want to play World of Warcraft They want to play

Star Wars galaxies. I mean it cut open the golden

goose and killed it Yes, they just time and time

again. Just they don't think what they're doing

They killed the golden goose over and over and

over again And I'm like was I the only child

that was ever told the story. Are you people

this dumb? And apparently the answer is yes,

these people are... It's not even about being

greedy, because being greedy is, hey, movie make

money, video sales make money, TV make money.

Streaming does not make that much money. Apparently

not. Also, part of what Netflix, part of the

reason Netflix was able to do the things they

did, is because for years, they used other people's

movies, they used other people's TV shows. They

didn't make shit. They do now to some extent

and and you'll notice that Netflix is pretty

quick to drop the axe on things Oh, yeah, so

it's like you you all you did was see. Oh people

are really obsessed with Netflix We got to be

more like that. They didn't understand that.

Hey Let's not spin. Oh Avengers money on multiple

TV shows because that's not what Netflix is doing

but we got to do that because we got to be better

or the Netflix is like Yeah, it's just it's just

And at the same time, as much as I am criticizing

Disney for falling down this really foolish path

that will maybe destroy them, I have so many

other criticisms of Disney, but at the same time,

this madness gave me a masterpiece. So God bless

you, stupid people. You stupid, stupid people.

And I swear, every time I see a certain species

in Star Wars, I'm like, ooh. It's a trap. Wait

a minute, that's not him. No, it's not. It's

Admiral Raddus. He's from Rogue One. Yes. He

gets killed at the end of Rogue One. And fun

fact, Lay's spaceship in Last Jedi is named the

Raddus. Yes, yes, it is. Yeah, but as soon as

I saw it, I was like, hey, it's nice to see him

before we actually see him. And I'm like, wait

a minute, that's not him. Oh, wouldn't we see

him? Oh, Akbar. Akbar's not an animal yet. Yeah,

I know. I was like, wait a minute. I had a friend

who was like, is that Akbar? I'm like, no, that's

Raditz. No, that's Raditz. Who, by the way, by

the way, nitpicking nerds, is an alien on Yavin.

Which is one more that appears in all of A New

Hope. What about Chewbacca? Okay, one more than

Chewbacca. For fuck's sake, Chewbacca's a main

character. Of course Chewbacca's. Chewbacca's

a wookie. Nerds drive me crazy. Yes, nerds. I

don't know where you're finding all these nerds.

Okay, Chewbacca and Raditz were one for one.

Then there's that little dude from Rogue One.

So now it's two to one, so shut up. There are

other there are other ones that are like in the

background, which is the best Star Wars aliens

are in the background. Yes So that's why the

Cantina band We haven't gotten to 11 yet I thought

we were in the middle of 11 No, cuz 11 talk about

clay goes back to the safe house and sends a

message And Wilman actually has like a radio

that picks it up and there's There's been some

interesting debate about this, which I think

the show kind of addresses, which is that Yavin

seems pretty crowded, and how they maintain security,

and it does deal with that, like they're not

allowed to do radio, eyeball -roll, transmissions

in and out of the base, but Wimman has his secret

thing that's hooked up to Luthen, so he can get

messages from Luthen, and he gets this emergency

message, so he goes to Andor, who is playing

whatever, I don't think it's Sabaq, it might

be, but I don't think it is. He's playing Space

Dominoes with KSO and Melchi. And you know who

Melchi is, right? No, not off the top of my head.

He's the other guy who escaped from the prison.

Oh yeah, that's right. And he also appears in

Rogue One. Which we'll get to. But yeah, Melchi

is the other guy who escaped from the prison.

They're playing cards and it's a cute scene because

Melchi is running up a pretty stiff bluff against

KSO and KSO is annoyed. Okay, so it's like wonderful

and like a few things he has He's perfect Alan

Tidek sarcasm. Yep And it's obvious like they're

all it's it's fun to see them together in a little

Ewok tree house. Not a real Ewok tree house I'm

just saying that. On Yavin. I know but you see

internet. Yeah, Ewoks are on Endor. I know. Thank

you. This is a little tree house on Yavin Like

I like that the show kind of addresses that like

would everybody live in the temple they'd probably

be building You know tree houses buildings little

tree houses around them That's this thing that

I like but anyway Wilman comes in and he shows

them that they got a message and they're like,

okay Well, we got a there's an emergency like

evacuation message or whatever. They got to go

and pick up Claire or they don't know it's Claire

they think it's Luther and They basically, they

get the ship ready to go. Omen can't go, because

somebody has to stay behind. It was a file flight

plan, because that's KSO's bugaboo, is they don't

have a flight plan. Oh yeah, he's set up, they're

doing a test flight. Yeah, they're doing a test

flight. They don't get shot down. But General

Draven confronts them. He's kind of Andor's direct

superior. Yep, and he's he's like you guys can't

leave and he's like well. We're gonna leave and

you know I'm coming back You know am I you know

my loyalty fly, and if I thought I couldn't leave

I'd be gone so they go and KSO whines about not

having a flight plan and He is holed up in what's

left like it's only been a year that safe house

fell apart fast Not just because she was tearing

it up to get all the gear that's hidden in the

walls and shit. Yeah, it seemed better days But

meanwhile as she was sending the signal The ISP

guys working at Luther's place have picked up

the signal and They they you know, like there's

this whole blah blah. They routed it through

this they did that they did But we can trace

it back to where it's coming from So heat assembles

a team to go in and and take down who's ever

sending the signal But they say they they know

it's clay app if they've they've studied the

tapes if they've they've got a they've got there's

a neat moment or like they want to send out her

picture and send out like a alert all across

the of course on like be you know this woman

is wanted by the empire he's like well what do

we want what are we saying she's wanted for a

murder espionage and part of gas is a great because

apparently this ties into something he said in

season one about you know what what we really

do his we're like doctors we're dealing with

a disease he says she's diseased if you skate

in the hospital with a disease and she will kill

thousands if we don't stop her Yeah, that was

good. That was a good line. Oh, it was cool.

Like, Pargas is one of my favorite characters

because he's so... There are so many smart characters

in the show. Like, over and over again. And like,

we're so used to the slop that we're being fed

that we stop and marvel. This guy's smart. He

knows what he's doing. And, you know, a good

writer will make it not matter anyway. Yeah,

absolutely. Things I noticed in this one, just

one little thing is, and I... No, we've seen

troopers without helmets before, but it's been

a while. Well, these are the ISD troopers. Yeah.

We haven't seen them without helmets before,

have we? I mean, we've never seen ISD troopers

before, so no. OK, but my point is, is that...

Trump trooper guys that go around without helmets

before their usual uniform. Yeah, like, holy

crap. Like, that's kind of cool. And by the way,

the sergeant? as an excellent mustache yes he

does it's very twirly he's another one of those

competent guys he's like the sergeant on gorman

who sadly got killed poor gorman sergeant like

i said i like i i like competent people i like

smart people i'm more inclined to root for someone

who seems smart know what they're doing than

someone who's stupid and lucky yeah this is why

i didn't like jar -jar banks because he was stupid

and lucky where you know And even though these

guys are the bad guys, they have a whole plan.

They're able to, like, cut the power to the whole

block, cut all communications. And ironically,

they're getting there right at the same time

that Melty and Andor get there. Melty and Andor

and KSO get there just before the Imperials.

And they go in and, you know, there's a...Kleia

has a great line where it's like, oh, of course

it's you. Like, she's so disappointed it would

be Andor. Yeah, I understand it. It was a little

frustrating to me that there's this drama about

you're coming with us. No, I'm not you coming

with us No, I'm not you got to remember this,

you know You know Gorman Jeddah Tiber Galen or

so. Yeah, you come yourself. No, no, I'm not

coming with you and it's you must sign the They're

kind of debating whether or not Clea is coming

with them and she's like they won't it's interesting

because she's like they won't allow me to go

to Yavin. They won't want me there. They won't

be nice to me there. They won't. Luthen isn't

respected there. And that episode ends with the

Imperials going into the building. Right around

that time because it ends before the Imperials

actually attack. The final episode is the Imperial

strike team goes into the building and then when

KSO sees it and he's like, oh, oh, because they've

left KSO at the ship. Yep, okay, so gets to like

be like he's the star of this episode Oh, yeah,

I think back at neck it back at ISP headquarters

and get this message Do we have security droids

around here for some reason? No, it must just

be some other other unit. That's that's doing

the search and it's like, okay Like the guy comes

up to a KSO and goes are you with us? He goes

no Yeah, I think he goes on to the Imperial ship

and takes out the guy guarding the ramp Takes

out the pilot and they hear that back at headquarters

like, what are you doing here? And suddenly they're

like, okay, something's going wrong. And then

he goes in the thing and the guy goes into the

lobby of the building and the guy there is like,

hey, hey, hey, stop, stop, stop. He's like, no,

he shoots at him and he gets like, he just cuts

a swath of these guys. Meanwhile, the strike

team is up on the floor with the apartment and

there's like, they're doing the cool, you know,

they turn on their little. Flashlight attachments,

and they're moving strategically, and there's

this great bit where the sergeant says to Heath,

you know, you're done here, sir, just tuck in.

Get behind cover. Just tuck in. And they go to

the door. Oh, and Melty walks out the door right

when they're, like, there. And they're like,

don't move! And of course he jumps out of the

way. The guy goes, this is your first and only

warning! Surrender now! This is a bit about,

like, we gotta close the door. It's like, can

we get out of here any other way? And Clay is

like, no. Like, well, we're not closing the door.

He's like, but we gotta close the door! He's

like, we're gonna be trapped! I throw in a stun

grenade, which takes out Kleia and really disables

Andorra. Melty's still able to fire off some

shots, there's some shots fired, and then all

of a sudden, there's a great moment where you

hear shooting or you hear commotion from out

in the hallway. And there's a great moment where

you focus on the sergeant and he's like, stand

down, stand down! Guys, turn around, help me!

And it's like, it's KSO and he's got heat. The

ISB supervisor guy, he's using him as a shield.

Yeah, he is like the guys just like blasting

he's like And then the cuts back into the apartment

and you see like one of the bodies fly into the

wall And then okay, so I was like, okay, I'm

here Yeah, I'm here guys Okay, I cleared a path.

Yeah It's interesting cuz Melty carries her I

would have thought that the robot with super

strength would carry her but carry to the ship

and I take off and then there's this great moment

where as they're coming back to Yavin It's kind

of a crisis because even though they're giving

all the codes and whatever like the Alliance

is like scrambling their fighters. I think it's

three in the air and two on deck Yeah, the whole

thing is they don't know I mean they say they

don't know I'm a little I'm a little like I think

they kind of overdid it a little bit, but that's

again one of the complaints as well There's so

many people coming and going from the oven. How

did Imperial spies never find out about it? They're

like super freaked out about about and are coming

in hot Mm -hmm, but they still like they land

and they open the door and there's like troops

everywhere with guns pointed at them And they're

like she's hurt. It's us. We're not spies. There's

huge news that I got to tell you guys please

take her to a medic and Like they take her to

a medic I think they put Melchi kind of under

arrest. They're gonna take Andor in to talk,

to give his information. They tell KSO to shut

the ship down and then shut himself down. But

they're still not convinced that like, you know,

he's pushed it a little too far once too many

times. At the same time, there's a couple of

mentions of, there's this guy on this planet

who's Andor's connection with the Saw Gerrera

gang. He's saying he needs to talk to Andor and

he will only talk to Andor. You know how there's

a scene where like, and this has been like the

subject of a hundred memes, I think it was even

on Saturday Night Live. They're talking to Saw

Gerrera, like the rebel command on Yavin, which

is Mon Mothma and a couple other people, are

talking to Saw Gerrera via hollow whatever, hollow

communication. And they're like, we know you're

on Jedi, we know you're attacking freighters,

we know they've sent in a Star Destroyer, you

gotta stop it, you're causing trouble. And he's

like, you have no idea where I am. It's like,

oh yeah, they do. Yeah, they do. They know where

you are. Know where you are, but there's been

the subject of a million memes of you have no

idea where I am I've seen where's Waldo I've

seen it's become a meme. It's definitely a thing.

Yeah Ander comes in and he tells them the the

thing about you know, they're building a weapon,

you know Galen or so which kind of explains why

they were looking for Jen in Rogue one Yeah,

yep, you know nurse Oh and Jedha and and I wonder

if that's part of it, too Because like hey, there's

something going on on Jedha and they're like,

hey, there is something going on in Jedha Gorman

and then there's there's the two senators who

I call Tweedledum and Tweedledummer and they're

well the first of all, there's not a quorum because

Dodona and The blue wing pilot. I can't remember

who it was. I think Raddison is not there at

that point Aren't there there's not a quorum.

It's like, oh, you don't have time to discuss

this in the committee Yeah, exactly, but we've

got at what we've got senators stupid and stupider

or like ah, we don't believe in super weapons

Now these are the same people that in rogue one.

They're the same ones We're like, ah, gee, what

can we do about a super weapon? We just got to

run home and hide. Useless. Useless. Completely

useless, yeah. Also, Bale's not on his side.

And initially, Mothma is very kind of... She

doesn't know what she thinks. This is great for

like... He's like, when did you even talk to

Luthen? Or Bale says, when was the last time

you talked to Luthen? And Andor goes, when he

sent me to rescue her. I'm just like, oh, boom,

mic drop. Yep. Eat it, Benjamin Bratt. That's

right. But he gives his thing, he's grounded,

he's sent home. Mothma is moved, but nobody else

is. She goes and she sends Vel, Sartha, her cousin,

to talk, who had, you know, worked with Andor,

you know, who knew Andor. Yeah. So she, so Vel

shows up, and of course, had worked with Luthen.

So they have a conversation, they have a drink.

There's a great moment where they toast everyone

who didn't make it, including all the people

from Albani. There's a funny line. which I don't

know if I caught the first time, where I think

Andrew says, you know how many people I've met

who said they were, I mean, he doesn't say, I'm

paraphrasing. Right. He says, you know how many

people I've met who said they were part of the

Aldani raid? And she says, I'm like, if I, if

I run into one of those people, I'd kill them.

Like he's just laughing at it. That's like, I

guess the big thing that like started the rebellion

or was a huge early part of the rebellion. They

have a drink. They celebrate everybody, including

Thel says your mom. Not in a mean way, but like,

you know, your mother, all the people you lost.

They talk about it and she believes him. So she

goes and she tells Mon. I don't think there's

a conversation between Mon and... I don't think

there is. I think it's implied. I just know that

at one point, Andor wakes up in the morning.

Another KSO moment, he pokes him. He's like,

ah! It's like, I hate waking up humans. The person

you don't like is here. Yeah, and bail comes

in and actually in an unbail organic kind of

way says droid leave oh You know when he when

he said that I really when I wrote that down

I'm like, huh? I didn't know Benjamin Bratt could

do a Jimmy Smiths impersonation Cuz really when

he said that I literally heard Jimmy's voice

in my head but anyway, like They've already established

that this guy who works for saw On this the circle

of Kapri I'm not good with yeah, I've cited the

original movies. I'm not good with names Yeah,

but the place from rogue one that we first yeah

And it's the guy from and or he's he's being

a little bitch and he will only talk to and or

and they're gonna they're gonna send him to go

talk to this guy because it's important and Bail

seems to let go. Look, I don't No, trust you

like one thing. I kind of I just kind of skipped

that's important is when Andorah confronts the

council, he points out that none of them would

be there for Luther. Luther has become almost

an embarrassment, I think, to the rebellion.

Because he had his code and he did his thing.

They don't want to acknowledge his... Ironically,

they don't want to... Luther said, I will never

get a mirror, I will never get an audience, I

will never get a thing of gratitude. He knew.

He knew. But Andorah calls him out about it anyway.

And Baal sort of says, look... I don't even know

if he's like he seems to be I don't remember

that scene cuz I'm like what did bail even really

tell and or It was just like okay. They need

you to do this thing and you're not grounded

anymore So go do the thing and we're gonna look

in I guess we're gonna look into Information

you brought yeah at the very end Is Andrews about

to leave yeah says you want to say it? Oh, what

does he say? He says may the force be with you.

Yeah, he says the yeah Which is I've two episodes.

I've been saying it all ties together. That's

That's the first time I've even really mentioned

aside from that one healer lady Yeah, the only

time they've ever said made a force be with you

it ties everything together together Yeah, all

been the will of the force. It's all been a little

divorce. That's right, man Yeah, you disappoint

me. Yeah, I That was that was my moment where

I was like wow. Yeah, that was like Are you like

as much as I've been saying? Oh, we don't need

lightsabers. We don't need space wizards Yeah,

but we've got that one little taste of it that

one little thing that ties it together of the

universe of Jedi's and lightsabers and the Force

That's all you need Online may the force be with

you and it's from Bail Organa. Yeah And that

kind of kind of a montage thing at the end We

see one thing I skipped is that because the the

raid on the apartment went bad part of gas is

gonna be Screwed he's gonna be taken down to

interrogation and his buddy at the ISP is like

We've got troopers waiting to take you downstairs

and it's like and I have a moment and then part

of gas is listening to NAMIX Journal or NAMIX

Rants in the right word a manifesto from the

first season Yeah, NAMIX was the kid from Eldari

who had the manifesto about rebellions who got

crushed by the During the during the the the

raid he was on the ship and like the big thing

of the credits fell on him and crushed him And

I don't know how part of guys got that I I need

to go back and rewatch season one, but part of

guys is listening to it talking about how Freedom

is natural and tyranny needs to hold harder Because

it's so unnatural as buddy comes in and says,

you know, we've got they're waiting for you downstairs

Or the guy says, can I have a moment? He says,

yes. So the guy goes outside and there's Stormtroopers

right in there. And you see part of the guys

and he pulls out a Han Solo pistol. I mean, no,

that's not quite the Han Solo pistol. Yes, I

know. It's similar. There's one that looks almost

exactly like Han Solo's pistol. Yeah. And then

you see outside and you hear the PCHOO! And the

Stormtroopers like move and the guy like holds

his hand like, hang on. It's part of the guy

still himself. Yep. And then then at the very

end we get the montage of everybody You see Wilman

and his girlfriend, and they're happy. We never

really find out what happens to them, but you

know what? That's fine. That's fine The one thing

I was really worried about was Clea because I

really thought she was gonna do something like

that. She was gonna do something for herself

But she seems to have she runs into Vail at one

point as Vail is walking away from Andrew's place

She runs into Clea walking around in the rain

He seems to have settled down a little bit and

she I guess... I guess there's a sunrise on Yavin.

It didn't really seem to scan with me, but she's

watching a sunrise on Yavin, which is a sunrise

that Luthor never saw. But she seems to have

found her place and she seems okay. We see Andor

walking from his little Ewok tree house to the

spaceship. And as she's walking, there's these

troops running by, led by Melchi. And they're

the troops that in Rogue One come down to Gareth

on the Ewing. They're the guys that deploy when,

you know, when they get through the shield. Oh,

yeah. Yeah. Because there's that one alien with

the big mouth. Big mouth. Those are the guys

that deploy during Rogue One on the planet. Nice.

Continuity. Yay. Continuity. Because Melchie

is part of that group. Awesome. He walks to the

Ewing and KSL even gets a happy ending because

they have a flight plan. He's so happy. They

have a flight plan. They have a flight plan.

Yay. They go to the Ring of Karthi or whatever

it's called. shoot that stupid annoying guy and

then it goes to black and it goes back to planet

rebel moon yes i i i love that the thing you

showed me actually referred to it as rebel moon

because that's what that's what i think every

time i see rebel moon for those who don't know

which probably is a lot of people at this point

was a zack snider thing that he did for netflix

which was i remember very early podcast i did

with you yeah referred to it as a star wars killer

because i have a bad habit of listening to other

people And I repeat what I say, which I probably

shouldn't. So it was like, oh, it's a Star Wars

killer. And then it comes out and it's garbage.

Yep. But Rebel Moon was obsessed with this planet

that had grain. Grain, grain, grain. And it had

lingering shots of all the grain. And this planet

in Pandora is also the farm planet from the first

couple of episodes. And we see the best character

in all of Star Wars. Me too. He's got a little

friend and they're playing tag. I literally cheered.

I'm not even being... The only thing that would

have made that scene better, because it was an

astromech droid, is if it was another astromech

droid that we also love. Can you imagine B2 and

R2 playing? R2 was on Yavin. I know. I understand

that. No, but, okay. Elsewhere on - He's playing

with a similar kind of droid. Like, hey - Yeah,

I know. You're a key dangling guy. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Well, excuse me. Anyway, point being, we

see Bix and she's got a baby. She's got Andor's

baby. It was totally Poe Dameron. I'm where the

wonder one uber nerd listening to the podcast

is suddenly yelled at his computer. Is it really

no Nobody knows. Oh This is my glasses up my

nose, but sir in the comic books the they established

poe dameron's Backstory and he had different

parents and they were not and or and bix and

I push up my glasses ago sir in the comic books

They also gave you a completely different origin

for KSO being captured of the being crippled

of the Gorman massacre so comic books shmomic

books. I mean, I think Also Poe is like two years

Older younger. I mean he had to be older. Yeah

So Poe was born on Yavin. That's his I remember

his name when we're talking off I Isaac's born

was born in Guatemala. The one thing he wanted

for his character was to be born on Yavin because

Yavin was filmed in Guatemala Guatemala. Right.

So a lot of people like, is this because and,

and, and yeah, no, this baby Andor was not born

on Yavin, but he was probably conceived on Yavin.

Right. Was it Poe? Was it not Poe? But he, who

cares? He's a baby. And she watches the sun set,

which I, I think I said somewhere else, I would

prefer if she was watching the sun rise. Yeah,

I think that will be a little poetic, but I understand

they're having a big, everybody's having a big

cookout. The people from that farm planner, having

a big cookout, having a big family get together.

But the point is that even though Andor is going

off to die, there's new life. And that is the

cycle. He's going off to give his life so that

this baby will have a better future. The sun

will rise that he will never see. And never think

of the sequel trilogy. Yes. However, Within the

sequel trilogy and Mr. Dameron himself, according

to Wookiepedia. That's going to be based on the

comic book. Yeah, it's in violence. Can't change

what's happening in the comic book unless it's

KSO. Well, Kes Dameron and Shara Bay, whoever

they are. Shara Bay? That's what it says here.

They use the biggest traitor, Lady Lumira. Poe

Dameron's mother? That's what it says here. Wow,

she's from the Marvel comics. And that was a

great story arc. She was a rebel pilot who, you

know, got close to Luke. And you're thinking,

oh, they're going to set up a relationship. And

then at one point in the comics, he has to like

fly. They have to fly stolen TIE fighters, right?

The mission. But they've got like a little doodad

that lets them tell, these are good guy TIE fighters,

these are bad guys, you know, these are our friends,

don't shoot at them. And Luke's gets damaged,

right, in the battle, so he can't tell a friend

from foe. So he uses the Force, and the Force

says, blow the shit out of that TIE fighter,

and he does. Like, oh my god, that was a Shira

Brace TIE fighter! Luke, you just killed one

of your own people! And then it was like, Luke

Skywalker, you know, um, in trouble. I can't

remember the word, no. Not exile, but like, he's...

I can't remember the word, but Luke Skywalker,

you know, trader, not trader, but like, you know,

everybody hated him, not hated him, but he, there

was this whole arc where he was, everyone was

angry at him and didn't trust him. And eventually

they figured out she was an Imperial spy and

the force told them true. And then at the very

end of the Marvel comics, it turns out that she

was working with Darth Vader. And she didn't

die, he saved her and turned her into a cyborg,

just like him, and she became the force, whatever,

Lady Lumira. She's the one with the force whip.

There's an action figure of her. I think there's

action figures of both of them, Chara and Lady

Lumira. And they used, now remember, that continuity

got flushed out the airlock in the 1990s, like

the early 1990s. It brought her back during the

second, one of the expanding universe where she

was like training new sith lords and i think

she corrupted one of han leia's kids maybe but

like she she was she was the darth maul of her

day she was a character that was supposed to

have died and didn't gotcha but it was it was

a great story arc for its time i mean there's

a whole thing about like luke using the force

and like shooting the wrong person but it turns

out she was the right person yep there you go

shira bray was Who's mother does what the Wikipedia

says? I don't know. I think I think I take Wikipedia

with a grain of salt. Just like I take it's from

the comics though. It can't be You look at case.

Oh is origin Oh boy, all right, but anyway it

ends with you know, like I said it ends with

Literally a new hope a new beginning a new life

Whoever that life may turn out to be. Yes. Interesting.

Very, very interesting. And then, you know, Rogue

One, they all go off to die. Oh, wow. Most of

them. That's, well, one of the most important

people, at least for this story. Oh, yeah. I

mean, Cassian dies. We don't know what happened

to Wilman. We don't have no Wilman's girlfriend.

I guess Draven got killed. by Darth Vader in

a comic. I was like, I like him. Rattus obviously

got killed in Rogue One, because his spaceship

got crippled and boarded. That's the scene with

Vader. Right, yeah. All right, the last story

arc for Andor season two is 0 to 5. What are

we giving it? 4 .5. We hit such a high the last

time around that you get it. Five overall the

whole see the whole 12 episodes. I'll give a

five Yeah, I agree Yeah, four point five for

this arc overall season two gets a five because

it's It's so good. He's so good. He's so good

and If only there could be more but we understand

that there can't be You can find and or seasons

one and two on Disney Plus and I'm sure Fairly

certain they'll put it out on physical media

at some point. So when Well, it took forever

to get to you one, but like they did so I'm hoping

they do season two I'm pretty sure they will.

I mean, I don't know we had going anymore They

have to want money at some point, right? You

would think that Yeah, you would think that.

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the 50th anniversary recording of jaws I Think

this would be the yes. We're okay Okay, whether

or not I get to see the theaters. Okay. Yes,

we're doing it regardless The rationale was I

mean the rationale. Yes, technically I want the

theatrical I would like you to be able to have

the theatrical experience But if you're not physically

able you can still sit on your couch and watch

it because it's I had a mother who was Responsible

who cared about the well -being of her child.

What a jerk And while she didn't want her to

theater when I was four years old I've literally

gone to already movies where children are running

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we're gonna cover them all, and it's gonna be

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and multiple different podcasts in the past,

and I will have all those linked in the show

More things than just Star Wars and Colombo,

sir. I mean, like, okay. What? No, I'm just like,

yeah, we're doing a Skull Shack redemption and

Back to the Future. Okay, two things. And Jaws,

and other things. There will be other things.

Calm down. I know it was a joke. If you beat

yourself, it's just a show. I should really just

relax. Uh -huh. exactly all right folks that's

gonna do it for us we are gonna get the heck

out of here I did on I did it on camera so to

speak be happy thank you for joining us here

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the 25th anniversary of the Nicholas cage remake

of gone in 60 seconds, which came out in the

year 2000, 25 years ago. Holy crap. I got to

say folks, I watched the original. I think it's

1969 film 74. Whenever the original Gone In 60

Seconds came out, I forget off the top of my

head and I'm not currently looking it up. I had

seen that after I had seen the 2000 version and

I'm just like, what the hell is this? Oh my God.

But at least the 2000s version has a much better

cast and a much better everything. For now, I

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