Andor Season 2 Episodes 7-9 Discussion

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these to sequel trilogy I will punch you in the

nose Who comes to where you are and... As long

as we go to Steak and Shake after. Since then

it must be right. That's right. We're midwesterners,

dude. Like, do you ever see Ebert on David Letterman

in this whole conversation about Steak and Shake?

Yep. Yeah, no, this is way better. There is no

Force Awakens here. But I finally get it every

Every section it took me a while Every section

is a year leading up to What we eventually get

to rogue one. Yeah to Star Wars. So three. I'll

be oven Yep, three to be why? Yeah, a bby. Yep.

Yep, so Was this... So, how are we doing this?

The last three episodes are good, but this is

the harder thing. This is when shit gets real.

Yeah, this is when shit gets real. And this is

the best three episodes of this season. Yes.

And by the way, the entire season... Some people

gripe about the first three, but this entire

season is super strong. This is the empire of

the original trilogy. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely,

it is. Yeah. As I was watching this episode,

episode seven, Messenger, I was like, huh. Why

couldn't you have that hotel suite, Disney? Like

that hotel suite that he goes into, the room

he goes in. Yeah, I was like, hey, that's a that's

a nice hotel. Oh, my God. Look at that window.

Are you talking about the Galactic Star Cruiser?

Yeah, yeah, I mean the whole the whole thing

was even though these people run Like but this

is part. I don't know if you ever watched the

Jenny Nicholson You should probably do an episode

in the Jenny Nicholson talking about the Galactic

Star Cruiser Hotel Okay, it's like a four -hour

video on YouTube. It's amazing Cuz she was a

fangirl, but she did this thing and she just

she just slaughtered them Like a lamb to slaughter

and one thing she points out that Disney actually

operates cruise lines That like a suite a suite

at the comparable price on an actual cruise ship

Yeah bigger than the imaginary suite on the galactic

star cruiser Much bigger They're tiny they were

They screwed up everything about that, but yes,

but but I was gonna say that yeah I mean the

galactic star cruiser was supposed to be a cabin

on a starship Yeah, it would be a little less

smaller and and then I want to say a little less

scenic, but like you could... The window could

be a projection. You could be looking at like,

there's beautiful crap in space. You know? You

could be looking at nebulas, planets. Like you

could do the whole opening to any random Star

Trek show. Gorgeous stuff out there. Comets flying

by, but it was just twinkly stars. Twinkly stars,

yep. Everything about that hotel... could be

summed up as it was cheap except for the actual

like price. Yeah. Cheap. I'll still get a link

man. I mean it's a couple years old now. But

like it's long but it's in depth and I think

she edited there was one part that like blew

my mind and I think she edited that out because

she knew she was wrong where she thought there

were no fire exits in the hotel. Oh no. Which

blew my mind but it turns out there were. Yeah.

I didn't know that. They were in the closet.

There was a special closet you couldn't put your

stuff in. And it was supposed to be like she

thought that you're supposed to hide in there

if there was a fire And I'm like, oh my god But

the exit was in the back of the closet. Oh, okay

got yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like Kind

of like when the turtles got out of the the antique

store But there's like literally a door that's

hidden because they don't want to break the theme

Yeah, they do have a sign up in the closet saying

don't put anything in here Yeah, like like like

we're going from the zenith of Disney Star Wars

to the Death of Disney Star Wars talking about

the hotel Yeah, the sequence with the hotel was

cool. The kid who who camera? What is the name

of that occupation that the kid had? Young man

who shows him the room and tells him about the

Tarkin massacre Which was the original Gorman

massacre like if you the bellhop mentioned this

bellhop bellhop That's the word I can come up

with. I never go anywhere, I never go anywhere.

But yeah, if you actually have a copy, you know,

if you pick up your copy, sir, of the West End

Games' Star Wars role -playing game Rebel Alliance

source book, you will find a reference to the

Gorman Massacre, which talks about Tarkin landing

his spaceship on the Gormans. Back then, that

was what motivated Mon Mothma to quit the Senate

and join the Rebellion, but it's also like 15

years ago. 15 years BBY, so the timing doesn't

line up with the modern version. And then they

change that for Rebels, where she does pretty

much one BBY. The cool thing about Andor is it

takes both of those and it makes both of them

canon, it makes both of them fit. I love that

they took this piece of trivia and this piece

of trivia and made them both fit, even though

they're contradictory. There were two Gorman

there was there was the Tarkin incident and the

Gorman massacre That's cool. Yes. Yeah, that's

very cool day. Yeah, I like when they So we have

was 50 Oh God, what are we at now? Not quite

it we're at 48 years 48 years of continuity for

Star Wars 48 years sort of and we have we have

we have flushed two different Expanded universes

out in this place Yes, that's it was the 390s

expanded universe which like before for Dark

Empire and before the Thrawn trilogy That all

got flushed and then there is everything up to

Disney and that got flushed. Yeah But we have

48 years since the original film. Yes, this is

the original Star Wars. There's 48 years of stuff

you can draw on. Yeah, yeah, there's 48 years

of stuff you can draw on if you wanted to streamline

it and make it actually line up with the continuity

of events so it makes sense. At this point, that's

impossible. Okay, yeah, I understand that, but

I don't mind them doing certain things is my

point to align the... But I think at this point,

you've got to view the Disney continuity as its

own thing that you can take pieces from the original.

Like, you can make the new stuff fit within the

new framework. You can make some of the old stuff

fit within the new framework. I mean, there's

just all kinds of fun stuff. Like, there's a

mean out now, which makes me happy because people,

I thought people forgot this, which is that after

Phantom Menace, there's a comic book about Kai

Adimundi, who's the Conehead Jedi. There's a

comic book about him and his three wives and

his four children, And all those children of

his are just causing him problems. And then Attack

of the Clones comes along. This is between Phantom

Menace and Attack of the Clones. Right. And it's

like, oh, wait, Jedi can't be married. Whoops.

Whoops. And then they, I love it. Every time

that Lucas would do something that screwed up

their thing, they would do back flips to make

it sit. Yep. Well, his species is endangered

and very rare. So the Jedi made an exception

that let him have all these wives and children,

because it's a cultural thing. Uh -huh. Yeah,

sure it is, George. Okay. No, George shouldn't

do it. Well, you were using your George voice,

so I figured... I was using my nerd voice, which

is maybe a little too close to George's. Yeah.

Yeah, uh, Yoda's voice is green. Yeah, okay.

It was a little too Georgie maybe, but... Yeah,

I was just doing nerd stuff. George has always

said that the Moogles are canon and everything

else is a rumor. George Lucas approved it! George

Lucas approved it! Approved the holiday special

too. You know, hey, look, heaven forbid whatever,

you know, anything happens and... He can't approve

anything anymore. They're just gonna go nuts

and everything's gonna be canon I'm just saying

it's not that he approved it. He cashed a check.

There's a big difference. I know I understand

that but right I'm just saying like George approved

it! It's like, no, he's casting a check. Yeah,

I know. George cast a check, so George technically

doesn't have any say anymore. No, no, I didn't

mean, I meant before, now he's pulled at the

start, now it's Vinny approved it, and like,

I don't think, now it's Kathleen approved it,

I don't think anybody... Kathleen approved it,

so it must be, well, I think there are some people.

I don't know. I see the truth! No. Well, we got

to talk about that you posted that thing about

Tony Gilroy talked about how Yeah, he spent an

obscene amount of money on this show. Yes It's

weird because this is like I have like I am of

two minds But 650 million dollars, I think I'm

both seasons. Yes, and on the one hand That's

ridiculous because there is no like there's very

little payback for this like I I bought my steelbook

copy of season one And if they release season

two, I will absolutely buy it in a heartbeat.

It is one of the only reasons I still subscribe

to Disney Plus, was to get to this moment. There's

another reason now that's kind of beyond my control.

Other people are involved, but if they weren't

involved, I would cancel it in a heartbeat. My

point being that the amount of money they're

getting out of me is not as much as... There's

not the return that you... The whole streaming

system... has revealed its huge flaw, which is

that it's not a functional system for the entire

industry. Movies make money, home video makes

money, selling stuff to like TV rights makes

money, commercials make money, streaming makes

not as much money. Especially if you're spending

movie budgets on TV shows. $650 million for 24

episodes. Now, at the same time, I was gonna

say, at the same time, like, this may be my favorite

TV show of all time, and I love it, and like,

I literally get emotional by the end, because

it's so good. So it's sort of like, I'm being

indulged, and I realize it's bad, but like, for

once in my life, people are giving me what I

want, and it's like, how can I be upset? I feel

bad because I have a lot of people in my life

who are huge Disney fans. Most people in my life

are a huge Disney fan. I give two craps about

Google. Disney Disney. I care because of Star

Wars. I care a little bit because of Marvel.

Less. But I care because of Marvel. Like if Disney

went down in flames, I would not shed a tear.

Yeah, you don't care if the Little Mermaid drowns.

But people get mad at me when I'm saying, like,

aside from Star Wars, I don't care. I have gotten

yelled at for saying that. But honestly, if they

just burdened Disney Plus to give me Andor season

2, I'm not gonna be mad. I got a masterpiece.

I got genius. I got indulged in every way I can

possibly hope to. Yeah, if like that screws over

like whatever nonsense they were gonna do for

Disney Plus down the road like if Disney Plus

crumbles good Too many like they they all jumped

on this model too quick It didn't realize that

it wasn't gonna make it's gonna turn into cable

2 .0 or more tonight That's the thing though

it already is cable 2 .0 you it has been for

the last couple of years, but like when Disney

Plus debuted in 2019, that's when the streaming

wars really ramped up. Because before then, you

had Netflix, you had Hulu, you had a couple other

things that kinda came and went and did other

things with whatever. Like all the, all the,

before it actually went to full streaming, all

of the other, like before Disney bought Fox,

before this, before that, all of those cable

channels had their own platforms. Olive, you

know separate from whatever so you had to That's

why I don't mind the conglomerate. That is Disney.

That's why I don't mind the conglomerate that

is Warner Brothers or ABC or whatever time or

whatever the hell me what? Okay, you know, I

mean, okay, so there's yeah, but we're having

out which has CBS. Yeah I'm totally wrong about

that. My bad. My brain just malfunction paramount

has CBS What doesn't have anybody they have like

the CW? Okay, but my but the point is is that

you've got Disney you've got Universal Universal

NBC Universal NBC you shit And Paramount Warner's

are struggling. Yeah. Yeah Paramount Warner's

are struggling, but you've got Paramount Plus

you get Disney Plus you get Let me just look

at my phone. Well, there was Max when it was

HBO Max. Yeah, it was HBO Max. It was HBO Now,

HBO Max. Now it was Max. Now it's back to HBO

Max, which it still has not switched back to

HBO Max yet. I don't know when it's supposed

to, but all of my apps... Hulu was like a group

effort. Yeah. Hulu was... Well, Hulu was... No,

it was Hulu, wasn't it? Yeah, Hulu... It was

Hulu, and then when Disney bought Fox, that screwed

up the balance. No, when Disney... So Hulu originally

was its own thing, but I think they were under

ABC, because they had most ABC programs, but

they had a lot of other programs too, and then

Disney bought them. So Hulu technically is its

own thing, it's still... What's the one? There

was one that was like a group effort, because

when Disney bought Fox, they had to give Universal...

Because they again they disrupted the balance

they had they had to give universal billions

of dollars The universe is built based on Disney

buying Fox Yeah, that money and said hey, let's

do something cool with our money Yeah, I don't

know it's something but the point There's so

many that you and I can't even keep track of

them exactly but like when we first started let's

say 2009 2010 2011 Mostly the war for streaming

was Netflix and Hulu. Those were the two big

ones. We had other things back then that don't

exist anymore. Nowadays, in 2025, it's Disney

+, Paramount +, Netflix, yada, yada, yada, all

this other stuff. And it's just like cable. It's

no different than cable. You pick and choose

what you want and what you want to pay for. For

me personally, if a certain streaming service

has something that I like something that's already

done something that isn't currently doing new

things like and or or or any of the Disney stuff

like I will pay for Disney Plus annually I pay

one price per year for all of that content great

as long as you don't remove any of the content

that I like sure fine awesome great that's awesome

I can go back and rewatch all the old stuff all

I want because I'm an old man who likes nostalgia

that's awesome And if you give me new stuff,

great, cool, I'll check it out at some point

or another. You know, but here we are with Andor,

season two, episode seven. Okay. One of the things

I like about this episode is it was what you

would call prescient, because Andor has a damaged

shoulder. Yes. And I was like, oh, he has a damaged

shoulder that won't heal. And at the time I was

like, oh, I have a damaged shoulder that won't

heal. Exactly. I wish I had some random lady

who worked in the... kitchens who had force power

and that was kind of cool they talked about force

healers like fate healers in real life and andor

didn't trust them and I have mixed feelings about

that scene but i kind of like it not kind of

like eh it is interesting that this is the first

time we've seen the force in andor yeah talked

about and she mentions his destiny which of course

is to be favorized on scarif But it does set

things into motion for Bix's later actions. She's

more of a believer. And it is interesting. I've

always been annoyed, particularly in everything

non -George Lucas about Star Wars, the way that

they treat the Jedi and the Force. Everybody

hates The Last Jedi, but there's stuff that I

like about it with Luke. He's like, the Force

is not a power that you have. It's not about

lifting rocks. Right the idea like it's one of

the things I love about road one was that cheer

it Believe he wasn't a Jedi, but he believed

in the force and the force had a role for him,

too And I do think everybody is a little not

everybody I do think too many Star Wars fans

are focused on the space wizards and the laser

swords and The force is not about the Jedi Force

is the force the Jedi And I can go into a whole

elaborate thing about my theory about the Force

and the Jedi. Because I mean, the Jedi had to

be wiped out. Why? Lucas has said that Anakin

brought balance to the Force by wiping out the

Jedi and the Sith. Why? How does that bring balance

to the Force? The problem with Lucas is that

this is a good idea. It's interesting. But he

never tells you why the Force wants the Jedi.

He's just like, it's the will of the Force. And

he's got to say it in interviews. He never figured

that out. The narrative never tells you that's

what Anakin is doing. And the narrative tells

that Anakin's a meanie head who kills all the

Jedi, and then at the end becomes a good guy

by killing the Emperor, and then he brings up

this whole thing about the prophecy, but he never

tells you. You literally never hear what the

prophecy even is. Who said it? But I think it's

because the Jedi forgot, because there's one

line of dialogue that Yoda has. I think Attack

of the Clones where, oh these young Jedi these

days, they're blah blah blah, and I think...

I think the Jedi were supposed to serve the Force.

And by the time of the prequels, the Jedi saw

themselves as the masters of the Force, which

is kind of what the Sith were. Like they had

become the Sith, but not as vicious. The Sith

see the Force as a tool. Like Luke said, you

know, it's a tool. It's a power you have. It's

a thing you use for your benefit. And I think

the Jedi are kind of like that. Where they're

supposed to be, they're like Qui -Gon. You're

supposed to listen to the living Force. and do

what it tells you to do. I think we talked about

midichlorians, and how if one guy thought that

they were the drivers, and I think they're more

like the GPS, where the midichlorians say that

you're supposed to do this. You can either do

that or not do that. I think the Jedi had, I

think it's interesting that one of Anakin's obsessions

is being with a master, right? He's angry that

he's not elevated to the title of master. He

says to Obi -Wan, once I was about to learn or

know I am the master and I think the thing is

the point of the force is that you're never the

master of the force. No. That's my pet theory

but it is I can't remember how we got to this

from the lady from the book lady who has force

-healed Cassian. Well because she force -healed

Cassian because she's not a Jedi. My point is

she wasn't a Jedi. Right she's not a Jedi she's

not a Sith Lord she's not a not a not a the point

is is that The force can be used by anybody because

it is not bound to either the Sith or the Jedi.

It is an all -encompassing thing. It's an all

-encompassing thing. It's kind of like a... It's

an energy field created by all living things

because we all have a right to it. Yes, exactly.

And then the funny thing about that, Cetus, and

I'm so stupid for thinking this and... Always

I always I thought of when I saw that and I was

like, oh That's funny in my own head. I equate

that scene To the scene in Armageddon when the

nurse comes out She looks at Will Patton's character

and she's it and she goes he goes It's time to

give its further blood tests or medical tests

when they're going through all that before they

can go drilling in the in the Armageddon movie.

And he goes, oh gee, lady, I just came here to

drill. She holds up this giant ass needle. She

goes, oh, honey, me too. I don't know why. But

when I was watching that scene here in Andor

episodes, I just got a kick out of that. But

yeah, no, the force is for everybody. It's not

for just one or two different sects of people.

Or literally families. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's

the sequel trilogy we'll establish. Yeah, that's

the sequel trilogy. Either Skywalker or Palpatine.

Again, that was one of the things I actually

liked about Last Jedi. Was that way came from

nothing. It was like the line from Ratatouille

Yeah, a great check. Not everybody can be a great

chef, but a great chef can come from anywhere

Yep, I think that was one of the points of the

last Jedi was that a Jedi can come from anywhere?

And of course, why's the Skywalker had to be

no, no, no, no, no, no There's only two bloodlines

the Hatfields McCoys McCoys McCoy at the end

You traitor. Oh, God. Go back and listen to,

I forget what episode number of the podcast it

is, folks, but go back. I'll link them in the

show notes. Go listen to our sequel trilogy episodes.

You'll probably get a kick out of those. The

growing resistance on Gorman, we get Nat. Who

is that character? I swear. Oh, and that's not

how he's... The only name I remember of the one

girl was Enza, I think. Yeah. the daughter of

the guy who is kind of the leader, but nobody

listens to him, which should not have been a

big mistake. I just know there's the old dude,

his daughter, other dude, the young dude, kind

of an angry dude who turns out to kind of be

the guy who almost turns it around, like the

dude with the hat, who ends up like, we're dancing

around, like it's the whole thing where the dangerous

plot to get Gorman into Imperial hands. It's

very interesting. Like, it is weird because,

like, and literally, if I have a criticism asterisk,

it's that Deidre almost seems like a different

character in this arc. Yeah. Where when she's

on Coruscant and she's looking for access, she

is very focused and very imperial oriented. Then

afterwards, she's very focused and she's very

imperial oriented. And this one This particular

arc of this show, I don't know if it's because

she's not doing the things she wants. She seems

to have moral qualms about what's going on. Which

doesn't seem to fit her. No, she's supposed to

be this... I don't want to say cold and calculating,

but she's... She could be cold and calculating.

There are plenty of cold and calculating characters

in this show. Well, I mean, even Clare is kind

of cold and calculating. Good yeah, I'm not I'm

not saying that she's I Think there's a difference

between cold and calculating and being someone

who is hyper focused on doing the right job for

your cause But the way that her personality is

I Think she's at war with herself where She's

trying to be this cold person, and then... Oh

god, I can't believe I'm about to say this. Her

emotions are Kylo Ren. When her emotions come

out... When her emotions come out... I disagree.

Okay, not as bad as him. Not as bad as his are.

Not as - She's so thing is he is completely ruled

by his emotions and she - Right, she's not. She

gets control of them immediately. Yes, she, yes,

she - The kayak flips over and she gets it flipped

over again. Yes, I agree. Rekylo is like drowning.

Right, no, I agree. But I'm saying that when

she lets her emotions out, the way her emotions

are, are similar, like when he's - She tugs on

the uniform! Yes, yes, I know. I mean, Kylo destroyed

equipment. I know, but I'm just saying there's

a couple of moments where I see her emotions

and all I can think of is him destroying that

console. That one moment when he's just, but

she gets it under control. She, she reigns it

back in. She fixes herself, quote unquote fixes

herself. She resets and she figures it out and

all that. It's good character. The difference

is it's good character with her. I don't know

how much good character is in Kylo. I like Kylo

for what he is. I think some of it was he was

supposed to be a commentary on the fanboys. which

always goes over well. I remember when I saw

Force Awakens for the first time, I thought that

was a funny scene, I liked it. I like the idea

that his art of being a Jedi, it is one of the

big differences between being a Jedi and being

a Sith, which he doesn't want to be, but the

Jedi are about control, and the Sith are about

indulgence. Sith are like, do what you want.

And so like having no control over your emotions

would be a very Sith kind of, I mean, intrinsically

kind of a Sith thing. I think it also isn't very

productive and we see in the movies, it doesn't

get him very far. I do think that's one of the

contrasts is indulging yourself versus denial.

Yeah. I love you, buddy, but I can't disagree

more on that one. No, I'm okay. I hear what you're

saying, but like, I'm just saying it doesn't

mean they're like Kylo Ren. No, no, no. But like

just for a second, a split second, I'm not saying

they're like, it might have gone with you a little

bit. Serial goes over the top. Zero zero world

gets destroyed. Yeah, okay. In order and the

empire. We're not even talking about the episode.

That's the second episode too. Who are you? Who

are you? I'll get to it in a minute. What happens

is Willman, the guy who was sniffing Raito with

Thaw, he shows up on Yavin and he goes to Cassian

and he says, Lutheran has told us that Deidre

Mero is on Gorman. This is our chance to take

her out. Even though it's not about revenge,

it's kind of about revenge. It's kind of about

getting revenge for what happened to Bix. Ironically,

even though he's making the argument, I think

feebly, that it's not about that, that there's

a bigger thing involved, it is, but I don't think

he really knows. Obviously, the whole Gorman

thing is to help build the desktop. stopping

that or interfering with that. I think killing

Deidre wouldn't have really done much. If what

happened hadn't happened and Cassian was able

to take out Deidre, I don't think that would

have stopped the Death Star, but I mean it would

have slowed it down like maybe a half a second.

But anyway, it really is about revenge, even

though they try to pretend like it's not. They

take a ship, they take the Ewing, and they go

to Gorman. And Wilman's kind of hooked up with

one of the local girls, the girl who was supposed

to be the driver in the heist, but then she was

undrivered because she was unreliable. Anyway,

so he's hooked up with her, so he's got an emotional

attachment. Cassian checks back into the hotel.

Actually, yeah, and the bellhop is now a clerk.

He recognizes Cassian. There's a great moment

where he recognizes Cassian, and he realizes

they're going to have to report Cassian. He doesn't

have any paperwork. Yeah, so the bellhop bellhop

guy eventually like the next morning tells Cassian

that he didn't register. He makes it clear he

recognizes who he is. He recognizes who he is,

but he didn't do what he was supposed to do.

He was supposed to do so the guys aren't going

to come to Cassian. And anyway, Cassian kind

of realizes that something's going on. It's a

year after his last visit and he realizes everything's

weird and like there's stormtroopers everywhere.

I'm a little paranoid about it. The next day,

the Empire... Oh, this is a great moment. All

the stuff that I love, like this transport comes

in with these new troops. Deidre even says they're

children. There's a great moment where the captain

involved, and she's like, who is this guy? She

says to part of the cast over the radio. One

thing I don't like is they use the word radio.

In Star Wars, it should be a comlink. The nerd

should be a comlinkler. But they do use the word

radio quite often, I noticed. But anyway, this

Imperial Captain has come down to coordinate

the actual incident. And she doesn't want to

get... But he's got this... Because the whole

World War II, French resistance, German analogy

isn't subtle enough, he's got a scar. He's got

a dueling scar. Like any good proper German.

Well, this trip of these kids come in, and the

guy goes, are your men ready? And the sergeant,

who's an older guy, there's a lot of cool guys

with mustaches in this season. He's like, well,

they're not really men, sir, but you know, they're

pretty green, and he's like, are we going to

have a problem? Are we going to have a problem?

The sergeant's like, no, sir. So the troops go

in. That will become important later, but it's

just like, they make a point that these guys

are kids. except for the sergeant. One of the

things I love about Andor are all the competent

people who are caught up. And the sergeant's

one of those competent people who's sort of like

trapped with this captain who literally is, he's

got the scar, he's like, me, Hindu, and you are

on the side. He doesn't do it with the accent,

but he might as well. But anyway, the next day,

weirdly, they barricaded off the plaza where

the memorial to the target incident is. It's

been a big sore spot. They open up the plaza

and everyone's like, the plaza's open, the plaza's

open, let's go have a big protest. So they have

their little space air horns. They're still,

Endor's weird because there's a lot of stuff

that's almost immersion breaking for me in this

season. One of them is space air horns. Another

one is Good Morning Coruscant with a little immersion

breaking. It's just they so like all the people

are like we are the gore we are the gore the

galaxy is watching They all converge into the

plaza And a couple people the old guy who kind

of is like was in charge of the resistance Kind

of recognizes something's off and or recognizes

that something's off But he's still trying to

do his job. He's trying to get down in the plaza

and get his rifle together and get a shot on

Diedre The Gorman all funnel into this plaza.

There's a great moment where Cassian like is

looking around and he kind of feels something's

off. He goes up like the plaza's like almost

like a pit. He goes up the stairs out to leave

the pit, leave the plaza and realizes boy, there's

a lot of Imperial guys on the periphery. I think

he begins to peg what's going on and like the

crowd fills up the plaza and they're getting

rowdy and they're getting angry and You know,

you can just tell that, like, the guy with the

scar is, like, just waiting for, like, he literally

says to V -Drop, um, and the trigger, you are

the finger. You have to make the call. You know,

there's this whole bit with Kyle where Kyle,

or Cyril, Kyle, um, Cyril, where Cyril's whole

obsession is that there's been outside agitators.

His whole thing is he runs into the guy, which

I can remember his name, who's the old guy who,

like, his whole thing is don't go into the plaza,

there's something wrong, don't go into the plaza.

Trying to stop them. His whole thing is about

being peaceful, peaceful resistance. And his

daughter's like, we've been peaceful and everything

has gotten worse. What are we supposed to do?

And that's... I mean, that's the tragedy of it,

is what were they supposed to do? What could

they do? And in the end, it doesn't matter. But

he's definitely trying to get them to not to.

He runs into Cyril and they have a big confrontation.

Because by this point... Even though the trigger

hasn't been pulled yet, the Empire has already

gotten a little eager with this mineral. They're

already deploying their droids and their mining

equipment on other parts of the planet. Reports

are coming in that the Imperial fleet has surrounded

the planet and they're deploying all this gear

into the hinterlands. And the guy's like, confronts

Cyril, he's like, what do we have? What do you

want from us? What are you trying to take from

us? And Ciro's like, that's just rumors. He's

like, are you a fool? Hell, I'm here to, because

there are outside people that are causing all

this. There's outsiders. I think that's very

important to what happens later. It's hardly

what happens later. Because Ciro's obsessed with

the idea that he is there to help the good Gorman

people from being manipulated into being bad.

by outsiders which ironically is what's happening

he just doesn't recognize which outsiders are

doing it because he believes he believes in the

empire he believes the empire is a source of

order and justice and so he he works his way

through the crowd he gets to his job and he wants

to he wants to talk to Deirdre Deirdre's assistant

says no no no you gotta wait in this room he

shoves him off into this room and he goes through

a couple of doors and the room is filled with

like the employees and they're all against the

walls sitting on the couches or whatever in the

middle of the room, all these KX droids. And

it's kind of a cool moment, and nerds have gone

through the video. All the droids are just sitting

there and one looks at Kyle and just keeps staring

at him. And yes kids, that is KSO. A real KSO.

The scuffs and the little markings, the little

that. God bless them. Like, I make fun of them,

but like, I watch the videos where they explain

it. I can't. Yeah, so, and of course Ciro's like,

what are these things doing here? I can't remember

if I said this on another episode or not, but

I'm gonna bring it up again. They are security

droids, because war droids, combat droids, are

illegal. Yep. After the Clone Wars. Yep. So they're

secu - air quotes, security. We'll get to what

they really are in a minute. Spoiler alert, monsters.

Terrifying monsters. But anyway, the crowd's

getting wild and wild. Cassie keeps almost getting

a shot on Deidre, and then she moves, and then

he's like, eh. Willman's trying to find Cassie

in the crowd. And then the guy I mentioned earlier,

the guy with the beard and the hat. Kind of see

that everything's getting a little out of control

people are passing my weapons people are passing

around passing around Molotov cocktails and he

takes off his hat he starts singing the Gorman

national anthem Planetary anthem, I don't know

of the Gorman anthem. Yeah, the the mood of the

protest changes and everyone starts like getting

arm -in -arm No longer about being angry. It's

about being proud and loving where you're from

They start singing and it's very moving. It kind

of reminds me of the scene in Casablanca where

they really have a fight between their national

anthems, between the French national anthem and

the German national anthem at the time. Deutschland,

Deutschland, Überalles. It kind of reminds me.

I kind of think that's deliberate. The whole

World War II thing is very on the nose. And as

everybody's kind of getting together, Ciro sneaks

into Deidre's office and confronts her, and she

goes Kylo Ren on her ass. He grabs her by the

throat and he's like, tell me what's the line

of them? I think Deidre is freaked out because

Ciro has always been very muscle, particularly

to the women in his life. The women in his life

have always been very dominating. Edie and Deidre

both kind of control him. I think he kind of

likes being controlled by them. It's comforting

to him, but like, He realizes that everything

he's kind of been believing in is a lie. And

he's really upset. So she tells him. So kind

of, you know, there's something in the dirt.

I like how she says it. There's a mineral in

the dirt. And we need it for something. And so

he's like, okay, I'm done with you. He walks

out and he leaves. He walks into the crowd. And

this is where everything starts. This is where

shit starts to get amazing. Because they closed

the doors which is a metaphor by which I mean

remember I said the plaza is like in a in a bowl

in a pit Yeah, only so many exits and all of

a sudden see stormtroopers coming coming down

the stairs and like pushing everybody into the

pit and this will make you remember that stormtroopers

are scary as fuck if you don't have the force

on your side you march down the steps and everyone's

like freaking out a little bit but they're still

singing you know a couple a tie fighter will

fly overhead and everybody will freeze for a

minute but they're still singing it's still it's

still kind of peaceful they're getting a little

you know The doors to the trap have closed. And

Captain Scar, your men will clear a path to the

monument. I keep doing a German accent. He doesn't

have a German accent. He doesn't have a monocle

either, but my God, I imagine him with a monocle.

The sergeant guy's like, dude, these guys are

green. This is crazy. Do they have a problem?

He's like, no, sir. And the sergeant gets his

little baby recruits. up in the crowd, pushing

forward, the crowd starts pushing back, we start

getting a little violent, things start getting

a little hairy, and these guys are kids. People

are throwing rocks and fruit at them and they're

like, eh. And I think part of it is, we take

umbrage sometimes to the idea that there are

good people on both sides. I'm not saying these

kids are good, per se, but they're kids. This

might be the only job they can get in the Galactic

Empire. Who knows? They're not the guy with the

scar. They're not enjoying this. They're not

doing it for any sort of like VHQ garments. They

join the Empire because they probably believed

in it. And suddenly they're thrust out into this

terrifying situation. They've got armor. They've

got some weapons. Even the sergeant knows this

is a bad idea. He has to follow orders. And then

the moment comes where Deidre has to eat a finger

and pull the trigger. She says, do it. They signal

a guy, there's an Imperial sniper on one of the

routes. And they see it through the scope. This

is the moment. And he's looking at the crowd.

You can see the crowd in his gun sights. He's

moving it around. He pulls it up. Targets one

of his own, one of the kids, one of the Imperial

troops. A young Imperial trooper that shoots

him in the head. And of course on the ground

they're like, they're shooting at us! Return

fire! And so the Imperials pull out their guns

and start shooting, and then the stormtroopers

start shooting, and everybody's, and then the

Gorman guys have their guns, and they start throwing

firebombs and start shooting, and it becomes

just, you know, even though they have guns, it's

still like stormtroopers, you know, mowing them

down. It's a slaughter. Even though they push

back a little bit, which of course is perfect

from the Imperial point of view. It's a slaughter,

and like, amazingly, Cyril is in the middle of

the blasters or whips it back in his head, and

he just can't believe it. He is, again, he believed

that the Empire was the source of justice and

order. He's looking at the, and he, but at the

same time, he had kind of come to know these

people, the Gormans, as part of a mission. And

he realized there were good people that, there

were good people, and in his opinion, they were

just being manipulated by outsiders, which they

were. But like, and he's just like, he cannot

believe his whole world is gone. He's lost. Meanwhile,

Andor is still trying to get that shot off. Yes

he is. Like, this is the running theme with Cassian

Andor. He's not a very efficient sniper. As we'll

find out in Rogue One, because he almost tries

to kill Galen, he doesn't get the shot. But like,

as the battle's going on for a little bit, the

Empire finally goes, okay, or the Captain goes,

okay, deploy the droids. Yep. And these things

come out of the box. Oh, like the first thing

one does is there's huge massive metal barricades,

like metal, like, like, like, uh, I forgot how

to describe them. The blades of a huge bulldozer

is kind of what they're like. It gives it a kick

and it goes flying across the plaza. Yeah. And

they just. Well, like, like that's how ends of

the girls eyes and she. she's shooting at one

and she falls and it picks her up and just tosses

her across the plaza she goes down crunch and

then like oh my god people have kind of i think

somewhat rightly pointed out in rogue one you

see one of those things get blasted with one

shot from from uh gin it's a funny moment like

she shoots it and it goes down and then kso goes

how did you know that wasn't me she's like uh

Yeah. But anyway, there are theories, there are

attempts at no prizes, which are kind of like,

which is the idea that maybe the blasters that

the Imperials allowed the Gormans to get were

kind of underpowered. Right. But at the same

time, later on Andor shoots a KSO, eventually,

and it doesn't affect him at all. He's got his

Rebellion gun. But anyway, whatever. I mean,

nothing's perfect. Cassian finally has a shot

on Deirdre. But then, Cyril sees him. I said

in the last episode that we recorded that I was

really irritated that Cassian was on Gorman at

the same time that Cyril left Gorman. So I was

like, oh, what would happen if they met each

other? Well... This is what would happen. And

here's my thing. This is why I keep pointing

out the outside agitator thing. the serial sees

Cassian and This is the guy that this is the

guy he's been chasing since the beginning of

season one and at the same time He knows he's

not a Gorman Yeah, so in my opinion part of what

happens is he goes there's the guy Everything

that's wrong with his life everything that's

happening in that Plaza is that guy's fault because

he is an outside agitator I was right all along

And he just goes full, crazy, berserker mode,

tackles Cassian, he tackles them, and he starts,

like they have a brutal fight, and Cyril actually

does a lot better than you would expect him to.

I think part of that is because he catches Cassian

completely by surprise. And then meanwhile, the

bellhop guy has been throwing bombs, which is

causing like chaos, things blowing up all over

the place. But eventually, Cassian gets knocked

down. Cyril gets his gun, points it at him, points

Cassian's own gun at him. Cassian just looks

right at him and goes, who are you? And as I

said earlier, Cyril's world had already been

like, nuked from orbit. But that just, that breaks

him. My whole world, everything that's wrong

in my world revolves around this guy. I have

no idea who I am. Did you see him? He's lowering

the gun, and they get shot in the head. The old

guy the old guy who's the leader of the Gorman

resistance. Yep was but it's just that moment

of And I really think this is a great lesson

for ever like for people you always kind of like

Always remember the people that are bad to you

and they probably won't give you two thoughts

You know, we have a way of focusing on all that

guy. He And then, that guy doesn't remember you

at all. The bully from high school doesn't remember

you at all. I'm not saying that Andrew was a

bully, I'm just saying you're obsessed about

these people and they have no idea who you are.

Yeah, exactly. And it just, I think that's the

last drop. I think even though technically he

gets killed, I think he was broken and destroyed

before that. That, who are you? And it's just

so annoyed. It's like, who are you, man? What

are you doing? And they're like, my whole world

is revolved around you. It's almost a mercy that

he gets shot in the head. Cassian and Wilman

have to escape somehow. People start getting

out of the plaza, but there's that great moment

where they're standing there yelling at each

other, because Wilman wants to go find his girlfriend.

Cassian's like, no, we've got to get to the ship.

We've got to get to the ship now. They're arguing,

and they see people screaming out of this one

exit. And they're like, what's that? And then

they look and this guy goes flying out the exit,

hit the wall, crunch. We need to go. And then

KSO, eventually, comes walking out and he sees

him and he's like stomping towards them and smacking

people left and right. And just an unstoppable

juggernaut. And they're shooting at him with

real imperial, or real rebellion weapons, so.

Flaw and Rogue One, Flaw and Andor, I don't know.

But anyway, he's almost on them and then one

of the other Gorman guys hits him with like a

I don't even know what kind of vehicle it's supposed

to be, but it's big and heavy. It smashes him

against the wall, cuts him in half, and kills

the KX droid. They argue a little bit more, and

Wilman's gonna go find his girlfriend. He's like,

Cassian, you gotta get out of here, you gotta

tell people what happened. Cassian says, okay,

well hang on, help me with one thing. So they

load up the wreckage of the KSO droid into the

truck. Cashin takes the truck out of town. He's

listening to the radio. The local partisan radio

is like, please help us. Why won't anyone help

us? Please help. And of course, it's all being

scrambled or blocked or whatever. That's just

as he's driving away towards the spaceship. He

can't climb because he has seen this horrible

massacre. I can't remember. I can't remember

if that's the end of the episode or if the stuff

with Edie is the beginning of the next episode.

I remember you were like, oh, I hate her. And

I was like, oh, wait for it. When you cut to

back to Coruscant, Edie and some of her friends

are watching the report for the massacre. She's

crying. She must know that Cyril is dead. Her

son has been killed. And she's heartbroken. And

like, OK, I hope Mike got his... I hope Mike's

happy. You know what I mean, you know what I

mean. It's funny because we hate this character

and yet this is what makes this show great. You

see that moment and you're heartbroken for her.

Her son had been murdered. Her son had died.

And even though she was a bitch to him, still

her son. People are complicated. Life is complicated.

Absolutely. I didn't want something to happen

to him. I wanted something to happen to her.

I didn't mean you wanted something to happen

to her. It's something that did happen to her.

Yeah, but no. That's not... No. So plot the role.

I think that's the genius of the show. The funny

thing about season one was rooted for Deidre

until that moment when she torches Dex. Yep.

Because you're like, she's up against this other

guy. in the ISP and he's like competing with

her and you know come on girls gotta make it

you know like let's go girl and then suddenly

realize oh my god she's a fucking monster and

i've been rooting for her like and like an idiot

it's like yeah she's awful and she's just constantly

manipulating i and the thing is i think as annoying

and awful as she is it's always been kind of

weird i think it's been a toxic version of i

want what's best for my son It's always about

him doing better, getting better, trying to improve

himself. It's done in a very toxic and gating

sort of way. I don't think it's helpful, but

it's never been from a point of, I want to knock

you down because I don't like you. It's always

been, I want you to be better. I'm just bad at

how I try to go about doing that. This is the

genius of this show and we've still got one more

episode. It cycles over. It's another good one.

The Gorman Massacre is being flipped. The Galactic

Empire, as opposed to the government, I mean

the people, is being told that those stinking

Gormans... Remember, there's been this whole

PR campaign. The Ministry of Enlightenment has

been working overtime to make people dislike

the Gormans. They're like they're spiders. They're

sneaky little selfish and they're arrogant and

they just think about themselves. and now they've

attacked an imperial outpost in Maryland, or

whatever, and killed imperial citizens. People

from Coruscant have been killed. You know, what

a bunch of bastards. And of course, Mon Mothma

knows the truth. She doesn't know the truth.

She knows something is not right. She knows that

the Gormans aren't like that. There's a scene

where the Gorman senator gets dragged out of

the Senate by storm troopers. And other senators

are like, there are imperial storm troopers in

the Senate. This is unacceptable. I'm like, Spunky,

wait a year. Wait a year. Exactly. Wait one year

and then like, I think you're gonna, yeah. Yeah,

then you're gonna be Imperial citizen rather

than Imperial senator. Exactly. So we - I was

gonna say, we welcome you to the rebellion. And

it's weird, because I know he says that line,

but I missed it. I'm not sure I can do this.

Welcome to the rebellion. What? The second watch

through so mom wants to make a speech and this

is actually there that episode of rebels So part

of it was different though. It's not part of

that speech wants to make a speech condemning

the Gormick massacre But of course, they're never

gonna let her speak And this is where Benjamin

Bratt. I think really steps up. Absolutely. She's

got a plan It doesn't but but also like once

she makes a speech they got to get out of dodge

Oh, yeah, they got they got to leave so he's

like I'm gonna have my guys pick you up We'll

get you that speech, but, you know, we gotta

be ready to go. We gotta be packed. Meanwhile,

Lutheran goes, there's a great scene between

Lutheran and Mom where he's like, you can't trust

bail people. They've been compromised. I'm gonna

send my guy. You trust him. Code word is, I have

friends everywhere. And Mom's like, can I trust

you? What happened to Tay, who's the banker guy

who... got killed at the end of the third episode

like you never see him die but like he's dead

i posted on facebook yeah he got sent upstate

to live on a farm with other bankers where he

can run and play all day um he got killed and

she's like i'm i'm more afraid of you than i

am of them like i i because because i know all

this stuff and if i get arrested you know everything

is screwed like are you gonna are you gonna put

me in a car and take me off to a farm upstate

i'm gonna say that way but you know so there's

this great tension where She trusts bail. She

does not trust. And Lutheran said specifically,

I know this guy. I trust this guy. It's very

important. Because later on, right before the

speech, Dale's like, OK, I'm going to send my

people. And she's like, do you know them? He

goes, no. I think that's important. And then

she, this is a great moment where they're giving

these speeches. Of course, all the speeches are

condemning the Gormons. The murderers, the scum.

It killed innocent people. Another senator yields

her time to bail. I think part of it is it had

to be bail. Because if you remember the prequels,

bail was actually pretty close to Palpatine.

Hacked during the war. He was on that balcony

when they were watching the troops muster at

the end of the attack of the clones. I wasn't

happy about it, but he was right there beside

Palpatine. I really think, even though they don't

make a big deal out of that, I think that's a

subtle thing. Bale was always kind of, well,

he was playing a part. Yeah, but he was still

there. And I also wonder if that isn't retroactively

part of the Alderaan plan. I don't know. Who

knows? But it is kind of flippant for Tarkin

to blow up a major plan. Vail does this amazing

legal shenanigans. Well, you know, all these

senators are saying it's an emergency, and according

to the Emergency Blah Blah Blah Act, and according

to this rule, and according to this Subsect B

and C, and you know, because these guys say it's

an emergency, and because we passed this law

about emergencies, I am legally able to give

the floor to Mon Mothma. It's great. I can't

do it justice. It's so weasely, legally, but

it's beautiful. And then she goes out and she

gives a speech. There's more stuff that happened

where she finds out that her aide has actually

been working for Lutheran for a long time. And

as she gets out to give the speech, around the

time, we see Cassian going into the Senate building,

and he's basically using the same cover he did

on Gorman. Yeah, and there's also three other

guys who are Bales guys And one of them kind

of goes off by herself and she starts radioing

into the ISP because she is a double agent done

done done Yeah, one of the other guys is like,

hey, what are you doing? And she's like nothing.

She's like the guy's like, let me see that and

she shoes him. Yep So when she hooked up with

the third guy, he's like, where's where's guy

B and she's like, I thought he was with you So

we do know that Bales people have been compromised

Cassian kind of like gets in and he kind of gets

through the assistant guy who works for Luthen.

Mon's assistant who works for Luthen. Gets him

through some of the security or whatever. Gets

him to this one area. Gets him to the place like

right where the Senate Pods, the corridor where

you come out into after you get off the Senate

Pod. Yep. She gives a speech and meanwhile the

ISP is like, shut it down, shut it down. And

the guy at the Senate building is like, Okay,

I gotta go into this room and the room's locked."

He's like, why is this room locked? And these

two techs are like, well, he's like, it's been

unlocked all year. It's like, yeah, we gotta

yell that enough back. What was the key? Well,

it's in the security office way up there where

we were told to put it. Like, they're being real,

like, you can tell that they've done this on

purpose and they're really happy that they're

following all the protocols they were yelled

at about. And it's really inconvenient now for

them. So he runs to get the key, and they're

trying to shut down the speech, and it literally

ends with my mother saying, the monster will

come for us all. The monster's name is Emperor

Palpatine. And right then the guy finally is

able to shut down the broadcast. The loss of

an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.

The death of truth is the ultimate victory of

evil. When truth leaves us, when we let it slip

away, when it is ripped from our hands, we become

vulnerable to the appetite of whatever monster

screams the loudest. I don't care if you have

to cut power to the whole chamber. Get her off

the air! This chamber's hold on the truth was

finally lost on the Gorman Plaza. What took place

yesterday What happened yesterday on board was

unprovoked genocide. Yes, genocide. And that

truth was with exile from this jail. And the

monster screaming the loudest. The monster we've

helped create. The monster who will come for

us all soon enough. I can't speak right now.

I was in Gorman yesterday. I saw everything in

the plaza. I've made my statement. No, we need

to speak. I have friends everywhere. Yep. Then

she comes out of the pod and Cassie's right there.

And she of course doesn't know if he's there

to kill her or help her. He does the, I have

friends everywhere. And she's a little freaked

out. They go down to this other level, and that's

where Bale's people are. There's a bunch of people

there. The Bale's people are there, and the girl

goes, you know, I don't even think she waits.

She doesn't even, like, wait a minute. She just

pulls out a gun and says, you're under arrest.

I'm ISB. And Cassian does what Cassian does best,

and sure. Is that where he says welcome to the

rebellion? Because, like, I don't think so. Maybe.

I don't remember. There's a great meme going

around, because this happens twice. I'll get

to the other one. There's this great meme where

every time Cassian pulls up, they're going to

shoot somebody. Mothma looks horrified, and Cassian

looks happy. So the third guy is like, oh my

god, I had no idea she was ISB. Don't shoot me,

don't shoot me. Meanwhile, her assistant, who

worked for Lutheran, is also there with a gun.

How the hell he gets out of there, I don't know.

He's like, I'll cover you, go, go, go, go, go.

So they start going, and there's this great moment

where they're walking out on a walkway, and she's

kind of half running, and he says, don't run,

don't run, walk normally. But little details

like that are cool. Yeah, very. And they get

down to this other walkway, they're outside,

and her driver starts coming up. He's like, do

you know him? He's like, who's my driver? I'm

like, don't trust him. No, he's ISB. And this

great moment where Cassie's like, hey, look,

I got her, I got her. We'll take her into the

prison. I got her. I got her. She's captured."

The guy's like, huh? And she's like, what? And

he shoots him. Cassian shoots the driver. And

again, that's the one where he's got this huge

gun on his face, and she's like, huh? Yeah. Yeah,

I remember that. That's hilarious. And he gets

into the car, and he takes her to what turns

out to be the same safe house that they were

in the last start. That safe house becomes a

big part of the show. Yeah. That's where he runs

into Clea. And they talk about how they got it

like someone else This is continuity with rebels.

Someone else will bring her to Yavin and want

her to make a speech So you have to go watch

the episode to see the cargo kind of know what

happens there Meanwhile, he finds out like someone

else was in the apartment. He's like, is that

Luthen? He's like, no, no, no. He walks in there

and it's Willem. Willem got out off of Gorman.

He's injured. He got the girlfriend out. Good

for him. Yep. Yay. I don't remember how that

one ends. And then that one ends with Draven

offering Andor to brief Andor in his office.

Andor tells Draven that he has broken KX Series

security drawings. Oh, yeah. I forgot like a

whole chunk of that, didn't I? It's back to Yavin.

He hooks up with Vix and then he wakes up in

the morning and there's like a Dear John space

letter. Because his whole thing is I'm done with

it. I'm done. Me and the dicks are gonna go somewhere

quiet, somewhere good life. I've done my part

for the rebellion. And she's like, the force

lady guy, the force healer lady, said you were

important. You can't leave the rebellion. When

this is over, we can be together again, but I'm

leaving. He runs to the temple, or the bases.

And this is a great moment, and I think they're

talking about the ghost. Or he's like standing

there and he's like you got a move. There's a

freighter coming in Mm -hmm. I think that's the

ghost with my mama. Maybe not but but anyway,

he's like, where are the transports? The transports

were already left. So she's gone and then Draven

like Draven wants him and then the whole thing

is it got they've rebuilt the KSO droid he brought

back from the KX droid Yeah, the names are a

little too similar Yeah, and the whole thing

is like at the end they're they're about to turn

it on again Cassian grabs a gun. Everybody grabs

a gun. Which, you know, having seen the Gorman

massacre, yeah, I would. You turn him on and

there's like noise and it's very dramatic and

he's trapped down like Frankenstein's monster.

And KSO wakes up. I can finally call him back.

He goes, if I've done something to offend you,

I'm sorry. Otherwise, could you please stop pointing

guns at me? That's how that ends. That's how

that ends. We get KSO. Yay! Yay! Back to the

meme of the lady with the child in the pool,

like, favoring one, and that's KSO, and the child

at the bottom of the pool, that's B2. Poor B2

was left to drown. Fuck him. It's okay. It turns

out to be okay in the end, but... I was offended

at the time. That was triggered. Wait, I had

to talk this whole episode. Hey, Mike! Wow podcast

you have any thoughts on this TV show So episode

9 just It's one of those types of media where

I wasn't sure where the ending was going to be

yes, I know technically This is an episode of

television or an episode of a Disney plus show

or whatever the hell you want to call it where

it's like It's supposed to be a certain amount

of time length whether that's 42 minutes or 48

minutes or whatever But like episode seven, that

was 39 minutes. I looked at that and I was like,

wait a minute, that's... How long was this episode?

Because episode seven seemed awfully short to

me. And I looked at it and I was like, holy crap,

it's only 39 minutes. This episode, I wasn't

sure where the stopping point was going to be

because they had so many cliffhangers in this

one episode for episode nine for Welcome to the

Rebellion. He could have stopped it at... Well,

because you're right. There is a point where

it's at the end of one of the scenes. I forget

which one off the top of my head But it is at

the end point of one of the scenes where Cassian

says welcome to the rebellion They could have

ended it right friggin there like this episode

heads, and it's not a bad thing It's just one

of those things where to me. I like that point

of television where you don't know where The

stopping point is going to be it keeps you guessing

And as long as it can keep me guessing as to

where they're going to leave us off for the next

week or the next day or the next whatever, that's

great. Even though in the streaming world, you

can just go on to the next episode. It is what

it is now, but I really dug that. I like the

whole, now that I understand the whole, hey,

every episode is a year later thing as the countdown

continues. Casey Case, I'm not withstanding.

I really dig like this year later stuff like

because we don't like we know but we don't know

like what has happened in the preceding year.

We saw that last episode and this is what is

going to happen with this year or at least some

events of this year and I dig that. I think I

mentioned the first episode we did on season

two that the plan had originally been. Every

arc was going to be its own season. Yeah. But

because of what we talked about with $650 million,

that whole discussion... No, you get one more

season. No. You get one season, you get 12 episodes,

make it work. And I mean... Wait a minute, it

didn't work at all! We've all been lying to you!

We're just hacking light all over again! So that's

$325 million per season. Which is you know a

lot You can get like I'm an Avengers movie for

that Yeah But they did a lot in that first season

and they did a lot here in the Wow. Oh like Yeah

on the one hand, yeah, I'm I'm I'm a happy boy

because I got it was spent on a thing that I

like but You cannot argue It cannot argue that

there's not a dime. That's not on the screen

I'm not arguing with you. I'm saying the acting

is top -notch. They have real sets as opposed

to the volume. Special effects all look movie

quality. Yeah, absolutely. In fact, ironically,

before we started recording, I saw a random,

I don't know what they call them on Facebook,

it's not TikTok, but one of those random short

videos. Reels, yeah. It was a clip from Book

of Boba Fett. Okay, I kind of started watching

it. It was like this like literally looks like

a sitcom like the filming the look of it No,

but I'm not even like trying to bug beat up on

book of over fat. It's just it looked like a

sitcom Yeah, this looks like yeah season 2 of

and or was made to be three films or Whatever

however, we're gonna show them in theaters some

of them Cool. And hell yeah, I will happily go

see it in the theaters. Especially... This one

in particular, like this arc in particular, as

we said, is the best one of the... Gorman Massacre

is amazing. I mean, it's heartbreaking, it's

terrible. You know, people are like, the Snow

Gryphers are scary again. It's like, yeah, the

Empire is terrifying. And it's just that moment

where the sniper tags the kid. His own guy. That's

what you're dealing with. Because the Gorman

aren't taking the bait. As provoked as they are,

one guy had the presence of mind to try to bring

them back. The guy with the hat and the beard.

But actually screwed up the heist earlier. He

got killed. He's the guy who's like, we can't

do this. You have to be peaceful. You have to

remember who we are. Yep, the Empire with the

Empire is prepared for it. Yeah, I would say

the middle two sections parts two and part three

four five six seven eight nine They are the two

best sections I mean even the last section that

we're gonna talk about next time is great, but

Like I said last time in the previous episode

the end of episode six is by far Like I just

was not not expecting that ending to episode

six. The ending to episode six is when she gets

her revenge on... Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm a doctor.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is funny because this

article actually talks about all of that. And

the article, I'll post a variety article about

the $650 million for both seasons. I'll post

that in the show notes, folks. But this variety

article does talk about that because they talk

about how. As you mentioned, I believe you mentioned

this in our season one discussion where it was

not supposed to be fight the empire. They were

fighting for fuck the empire. Yes, they wanted

fuck the empire in there and that was never going

to happen. So the article goes through and it

talks about how. Like the brothel opening up

season two at the brothel and how much they could

get away with and what Disney would let them

get away with and what Star Wars would let them

get away with and things like that. This article

is such an interesting read. So yeah folks. We

did get a shit. We did get a shit this time because

Bale says like wreck the shit out of this place.

Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. Anything else you

would like to say about episode seven? I feel

I have talked for what, like an hour? I just

let you go. You know, this is your... This is

my business. I loved it. I mean, there's not

much more I can add to what you're saying. Most

of the time I'm in agreement with what you're

saying and I really enjoyed the hell out of it.

I think I've got a few more notes for the next

three next time. I think I said this last episode,

and I'll say it again, and I'll say it for the

next episode, but it's just the fact that it's

not Star Wars -y. People take that as a negative,

and I disagree. I think this is a show you could

show non -Star Wars fans. Absolutely. If you

can get past the first three episodes, which

have a few issues, like, I think they have issues,

you're not looking at it like a hyperfan, looking

for all the details and all the connective issues.

I think if you're watching it for entertainment

value, then the first three episodes are gonna

be a little bit of a strain your patience, but

I just, it's not good Star Wars, it's good, period.

It's a masterpiece. regardless of franchise.

And even though it makes my skin crawl every

time I have to say this, you gotta thank Allie

Kennedy. She gave us a goddamn masterpiece. I

keep hearing the report that she's waiting to

go out on a high note. No, you will never get

better than this. Exactly. What are you gonna

give this arc of season two, zero to five, with

half funds? Five. Like, how high does it go?

Five. Yeah. So it's a five, folks. You're gonna

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