A Disturbance in the Force Review

This is Craig Miller, director of Star Wars Fan

Relations, and you are listening to Studio 2009,

only on the Geekcast Radio Network. Hello, folks.

This is Studio 2009. I'm, of course, TFU and

Mike, myself and David Draper are coming to you

from the Outer Rim. See, that works. And the

episodes you are about to hear episode one. Yeah,

see, there you go. The episodes you're about

to hear from 155 to 159. These are 12 months

of Star Wars episodes. We recorded these months

and months and months ago. I don't even know

how long ago at this point I could look at the

file names, but that would require me to do a

bunch of mouse clicks, and I'm not doing that

on air But 12 months of Star Wars they just need

that six months Yeah That's in April, October.

Yeah, about six months to six months late. Sorry.

Sorry. Uh, I've had to have arm surgery on my

left arm, which is my good arm. Anyone that's

listened to any of my podcasts in the last two,

three, four, 17 years, whatever it is, knows

or should know that I have cerebral palsy on

my right side, but something happened with my

ulnar nerve on my left arm. And the recovery

for that has been a nightmare. So that's why

podcasting has been a delay because I can't actually

sit here and do any other work. So essentially

I've been bedridden for the past month and a

half. I would have had all of this stuff out

by now. And yeah, the other five and a half months,

it's just, it's been a 2024 and 2025 have been

two of the worst health years for me. I don't

know what in the hell's going on, but yeah. So

star wars. 12 months of Star Wars, 155 to 159,

155 we've got Disturbance in the Force, and then

the other four episodes are Andor, season two.

Any final thoughts before we kick off the episode,

sir? I mean, it's six months. I thought they

were really good. Yes, and you'll hear that coming

up. I don't know that we're ever going to get

anything better. I don't know that we'll ever

get anything like that from Star Wars again.

Yeah. Which is sad. Absolutely. Which we will

talk about in the upcoming episode that we're

recording right after this, folks. So yeah, head

on over as the episode begins right now for 12

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mr. Dave Draper. Hi Dave. How are you? alive

somehow Yes, you're still alive. That's right

Absolutely, wait this spring has been going that's

something Yeah, yeah 2025 has been It's been

a year. It's been a mixed year. There have been

high highs and low lows Yeah, we'll get to one

of those highs in the next episode that we record

I think oh Really? Oh, that's it. You haven't

you haven't watched it all have you? No, nope.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Oh my friend. Yep, like

season one, right? Yeah Okay, go back and watch

our yeah Okay, cool cool, that's I don't throw

that word around lightly. Yes. Yes. That's good.

That's good But yeah, we are here today. This

is episode 155 We're experiencing that like like

the force at the light side in that dark side

We are currently experiencing the duality of

Star Wars itself the the Nadeers and the Zenith

is Venus And today we're at the media Yes, we're

not even doing the nadir because we did the nadir

earlier, but we're doing a Documentary about

how how it fell so low. Well how it came to be?

I mean, but it also explains how it fell so low

and that's one thing I like about this this documentary

is it does explain What the hell happened? Which

as a longtime Star Wars fan has always been the

question that I've wanted to know is What the

hell happened? That's right. So folks, if you

want to hear Dave and myself, I don't know. I

don't remember on December 9th of last year in

2024 if we agonized or if I don't remember what

happened in episode 109 when we actually did

discuss the Star Wars holiday special. But you

can go back to that episode and listen to our

discussion of the actual thing. But this is A

Disturbance in the Force, the making of a Star

Wars Holiday Special. This is the 85 minute,

86 minute documentary. All about that phenomenon.

This was released in 2023. I thought later than

that. So to be fair, I'm not saying you're wrong.

I'm saying, I'm saying I remember seeing it last

year, but it also I waited until it came out

on on home video. Yeah. Yeah. So basically life

day of 2023 select theatrical run was leading

up to the home release of digital Blu -ray on

December 5th of 23. So originally that's when

it came out. But I'm sure you know and for me.

It's like oh, I wonder where it is and it's Everywhere

that I thought like originally. I thought oh,

they're gonna put it on Disney Plus because it's

not making it That's true. They didn't make it

but still But yeah, no I I found this more fascinating

than the actual special itself Well, yeah I do

kind of feel like As I remember I remember a

little bit about the episode about the holiday

special and I think I already talked about this

a lot on that Okay, I probably will let you take

the lead more this time around. Although there

are a couple things I want to say Yeah, yeah

First of all, obviously like like the behind

the scenes is always more fascinating than the

thing itself Like the holiday special wasn't

supposed to be interesting. It was supposed to

be entertaining. Yeah, are you? It failed. Um,

yeah So but yeah, this was this was it's your

basic, uh You're fairly big. Well, it's got some

neat twitch It's got some neat touches, but it

is your standard talking heads get a bunch of

people sit them down Half of them are celebrities

who really have nothing to do with star wars

So but yeah, like they provided a lot of behind

-the -scenes information because they talked

to like some of the people that work They talked

a lot of people that worked on it recording from

some of the people that like either had passed

on or Didn't want to talk to them. My favorite

thing is that the way they broke it down was

when they would have like a Person involved in

the in the production it would have like the

the trading card They have their picture in the

style of the trading cards at the time and then

like there were like two camps So the George

Lucas camp were green cards and then the TV variety

specials were blue cards Yep, part of it was

as it went along you watched The green cards

fade away. Yeah, that's kind of how it happened.

Yep, unfortunately. Yeah, that was it was crazy.

It was. It was the pretty much the thing of.

Too many hands in the cookie jar. Is what the

Star Wars holiday special was. I kind of think

it was the wrong hand. Yeah, it's because absolutely

the problem was George left to go make Empire.

And once George was gone, then it became sort

of a, like not a free -for -all per se, but it

became a tug of war between the director that

was on his side and the producers. The producers

had worked on like the Mary Tyler Moore show,

not Mary Tyler Moore, Carol Burnett show, and

a lot of, because one of the things the special

does is put everything into perspective. Because

the 1970s were big time for weird variety specials.

and one of the points that the documentary makes

is that the holiday special isn't even the worst

variety special involving Star Wars that came

out, because they show a lot of that Donnie and

Marie special. Yep. Which is pretty, and they

talk about how there was like Donnie and Marie,

there was Shields and Yarnell who were Mines,

I remember watching that as a kid, there was

the Brady Bunch. Like their comeback was a special,

like it was a variety show. It was a thing that

was in the late 70s. Also, like one thing that

they kind of skipped that I thought, well, they

touched on it a little bit. But recently I found

like a series of videos on YouTube about a guy

who's gone into Star Wars pretty deep. And he

talks about like the, he talks about like the

prequels, special editions, and the sequels.

But it's like the sequels that Lucas was talking

about, not the sequels that Disney did. And so

what's interesting is in that video, he breaks

down the whole story of 12 movies, nine movies,

six movies, three movies, you know, like how

many movies did George Lucas really mean to make?

And did George Lucas lie about how many, you

know, like, because a lot of the stuff that we

get is from other people, you know, Mark Hamill

going, oh, George told me that there are gonna

be 12 and one person like, oh, they say there's

gonna be nine. And apparently George had planned,

like the, what we would call the Skywalker Saga.

Nine movies but George had ideas for three more

But they were like on their own they were they

were they were kind of their own weird little

thing because it's George George loves weird

little things and One of those this is the whole

reason I'm talking about this one of those was

the story of a Wookiee family And what I think

happened was he had the story of the Wookiee

family that he knew Probably wasn't gonna get

made Because you know, I mean this is because

he came up all this stuff back before Star Wars

even premiered So now they now they gotta do

this holiday special so he's like, okay, I'll

take cuz you know, you always recycle ideas It's

okay. We'll keep any idea and he said, you know

what? Well, we'll make a Holiday special out

of this that was weirdly enough. The Star Wars

holiday special was probably one of the 12 movies

that Lucas was planning Sort of until I got taken

over by what George and Mitzi? Okay. Yeah. Yeah,

they had taken over and They had run with it

because they had the experience of doing the

variety show stuff. And like you said, the seventies

was on television variety show everything. You

mentioned some of the ones that the examples

they had put in the, in the, in the documentary.

They also mentioned the Paul Lynn variety show

that was on the set. I'm like. I'm so glad I

was born in the 80s and grew up in the 80s and

and was a teenager in the 90s cuz man Like seeing

some like when I was watching this and seeing

some of these examples that they were showing

in this documentary I was like, I'm so glad I

was not alive in the 70s cuz 70s television Well,

it was weird. Well, like I always talk about

with Star Wars Part of the reason that I think

it hit the way it did is that the 70s were a

very feel -bad decade And it was also a very

grown like like the idea of the summer blockbuster

didn't exist Roz was in 1975 was the first summer

blockbuster Yep, and and Hollywood always had

this philosophy back in those days that if something

happened Probably wouldn't have like even though

they made sequels all the time It was always

like it probably won't happen again, you know,

so that was that was that was the one that got

all the teenagers out in the summer And then

Star Wars hit like as a kid, you know I mean

the movies of the 70s if you think about it besides

Jaws and Star Wars were like Godfather the French

connection, you know apocalypse now eventually

came out like, you know, there was a lot of post

-vietnam Yeah, rocky which which was a feel -good

movie, but it was you know, it wasn't a kid movie

No, I always say like the movies I got taken

to Watership down as a child People thought that

was a kid's movie. So it was a cartoon but there

were no they were like they were like Two disney

movies at the very beginning of the 70s and then

the rescuers which was a pretty dark movie for

disney at the end of the 70s And then did a lot

of the dopey? Russell computer war tennis shoes

apple dumpling gang, you know really crappy live

-action movies like kids Kids didn't have anything

until start. I mean they did They you know, like

but it was most of the most of the kids stuff

was on television. Mostly kids stuff Yeah, it

was on cartoon But even those were like old Looney

Tunes they were Hannah Barbera stuff in the 60s.

It's Scooby -Doo is from like the 60s I think

like it like yes, we started in 69 Yeah, and

like and then there was a lot of Scooby -Doo

ripoffs like Jabberjaw. Yeah clue club, which

I love and like, you know the one with the genie

and you know But what I'm saying is there wasn't

a lot of like particularly in those mid to I

mean by the time The 80s started rolling around.

We started getting stuff like thunder And then

of course once we rolled into the 80s. We got

like, you know, the the toy based ones. Yeah,

but um It was just it was very recycled just

wasn't anything really fresh and and and again,

I don't think star wars I I go against the green

people say stories for kids. I think star wars

is for the family And kids are part of the family.

Yeah, I can agree with that. It's like the best

pixar films are for the family i mean they they

skew a little more towards kids but but uh you

you know i watched i mean i watched every pixar

movie as an adult because that's just when i

was you know when they came out and you know

obviously it's one of those things like because

there is like there you can tell there's a difference

between when they're trying to make a movie or

trying to make something for kids doing your

quotes and there is a different approach for

something for the family yeah because it is a

little it is a little smarter it is a little

less pandering it is a little less you know So

yeah. Oh, OK. So all right. So let's look at

this really quickly, since you're saying that

you take Star Wars and you compare it to the

Incredibles. You got Star Wars. You got young

Luke Skywalker. You got Uncle Owen on Peru. OK,

granted, they don't make it through the whole

movie, but you have you have that family unit.

We do. We do. There's more corpses in a movie.

Cut to the cut to the blanket thing of the little

kids in front of the TV watching the smoldering

corpses. Um, yes, yes But you also have other

family members within Star Wars and within the

other movies I didn't mean that the movie was

about families, although it is right No, no,

no, but it is but it's one of those things where

you kind of have a family unit thing But yeah,

no, I I would never ever say Star Wars is specifically

for children never know and it's not Again, it's

it's it's it was almost a little It skewed almost

a little on the other like it was a little sophisticated

Yeah, it was very sophisticated like I can't

imagine. Yeah, I would have a hard time imagining

kids watching that because it's a lot of like

And there's action and funny stuff, but but there's

some First of all, there's some thought behind

it There's a lot about growing old, about finding

your place in the world. There's the whole Randian

thing with syndrome. If I had a kid that knew

who Ayn Rand was, I'd be a little worried. I'd

be like, sweetheart, here's a ball, go play outside.

What a damn childhood, stop reading books. So

I okay, I'm glad you I'm glad you started shaking

your fist old man because I think that's the

thing about the 70s is that nobody in the 70s

was Like we said earlier about how children's

stuff sort of was on TV with Scooby and the Flintstones

and the Jetsons and this and that and the whatever

in syndication in reruns and whatever most of

the 70s kids parents were like Go outside you

bother me kind of thing parents weren't thinking

of at least as far as I'm just assuming and you

know what happens when I assume folks I make

an ass of myself but I'm just gonna say this

and people can come at me in the comments and

whatever else but I mean I can respond directly

I know you can because you were there I understand

that you were there and I wasn't but my point

is you take the 70s and you compare them to the

80s 70s kids as a 1978 you were seven years old,

eight years old, seven, eight. Okay. As a seven

year old, I guarantee you, your mother was probably

saying, don't watch TV, go outside and play or

whatever kind of thing. Whereas in 1987, when

I was seven years old, my mom did tell me that,

but at the same time, sometimes most of the time

she wasn't going to stop me from watching whatever

cartoon show was on in the eighties. And I think

that's the thing with Star Wars in general as

a film is that it wasn't for kids to watch in

theater. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. I

don't know what you're talking about now. You

lost me. I don't know. I lost myself. I mean,

that's how I watched it. I know. But I'm saying

like it's it's more of a video was not a thing

until yeah. Yeah. And even then even then it

was like HBO. or rent a tape, because some of

the worst fights I ever got in with my mother

when Star Wars came out on videotape, my mother

was going to be damned if she spent 70 bucks

of 1980s money on a movie for her kid. All my

Betamax copies of all the Star Wars films, which

are downstairs in the basement, they all have

the little Showtime symbol pop up every couple

of minutes. Cause I copied them off of Showtime.

Um, that's right. I think my point that I was

trying to get there is the seventies kids were

outside kids were, were not the indoor kids that

the eighties kids ended up being interesting

because like, I, I, I don't know if I can even,

because we didn't even have like a big TV until

the eighties. Cause we inherited it from my grandmother.

Right. Like because because there was just the

little which I think I still have somewhere though

the little There was a little color TV that my

mom got for Christmas one year. Um, my dad got

my mom Christmas and that was what we watched

mostly. Um, I can't remember You know, they were

having a big TV like it was because it's a little

you know, it had like a little little tray You

roll it around on. Um, yep, like I'm never watching

cartoons on that but like but I'm saying is there

wasn't like a big TV like a fireplace that you

sat around and watch and that didn't happen until

we moved to Illinois And I think some of that

was because I moved into a place with scary Teenagers

out of a Stephen King story, but I just stayed

inside more like as a kid in the 70s It was just

I don't think you had to be told To to go outside

and play, you know, I mean, yeah. Yeah, I wanted

to go outside I wanted to play with my friends.

I wanted to not sit around and watch TV now Again,

like when we moved into new place where it was

a condominium association with a lot of old people

who didn't like kids playing on the grass and

scary, scary teenagers who wanted to beat you

up because you were a fat little kid who had

a Southern accent. I mean, suddenly I stayed

inside and I got a lot fatter. Like, yeah, I,

you know, and it is interesting because, you

know, part of it was I wanted to go outside and

play with my Star Wars toys. Like that was a

big thing. Like it's it's it's interesting. They

make that like such a it was such a gamble to

do the Star Wars toys and it was like, oh my

god We were ready. We were ready for the toys

you wanted like like the only thing is like they

waited too long, but we still bought them like

I mean to this day they'll buy them like hotcakes.

Yep, absolutely We're not talking a lot about

the movie. No, we're not I liked it. I enjoyed

it at three or four times now. I think it's very

interesting It has a lot of interesting information

that the talking heads are generally pretty good

Okay, go on you love what I like I like hearing

from like I didn't even know I Didn't know or

completely forgot you probably told me that you

probably mentioned this or maybe you directly

flat -out told me about I had no idea Bruce Blanch

was even involved in this No clue. That I've

always known. Okay. I've known that for a real

long time. Okay. Well, I, again, which is why

I like watching some of the stuff that you've

seen and I haven't kind of thing. Cause like

when I started watching this, I'm like, what's

Mr. and I know Bruce Valanche was known for more

than just being a guest on Hollywood Squares,

but that's where I know him from was he was a

guest. Yeah. You get to be a guest on Hollywood

Squares from coming from somewhere. So, right.

Oh, absolutely. Uh, but it's one of those things

where I was like, Oh, this is very, very cool.

I was like, this is really interesting. Oh, for

me, it was funny. It's hilarious. This is the

guy that wrote that. Like it's so perfect. Like

if you knew seventies and eighties junkie, like

Oscar ceremony kind of stuff, he's the, he was,

he, he's the guy that always wrote that stuff.

So it's just perfect that he wrote that, um,

You know, he's like of course he wrote that um

And what's funny is he has a little more like

it sounds like he had a little more respect for

the material than the producers did little And

yeah, I liked hearing from all of them The ones

that were involved in it. I liked hearing from

most of the pop culture talking heads except

for one because It is a names that beef Okay,

I will say I liked I liked watching Seth Green

because he had been working with Lucas on a thing.

Yes light He had a little bit of inside information,

which was fun. Um, yes, Seth Green's always fun

It's I hate Kevin Smith. I can't stand the man

I like some of the stuff that he's done. I like

some of his movies I used to like him when he

was before his heart attack, but and heaven forbid

I'm sorry the man had a heart attack. I'm glad

he came back from it, but that heart and I know

Life hello coming from someone who has had brain

surgery life -changing events change people but

ever since that happened and he Started smoking

weed and a bunch of other stuff and whatever

else. I don't know I just don't care to hear

anything from him anymore. I'm tired of hearing

his opinion. His is an opinion I don't care to

hear anymore from anything. And the note that

I wrote in the script, that's one pop culture

contributor that can just fall into a Sarlacc

pit. Yeah, I know it's weird. I Completely missed

I don't hate him, but I missed the train on him

So it's like he's a guy that has a lot of hype.

I'm like, yeah, okay, but I never like I've seen

Parts of clerks. I think that's Smith movie.

Oh, no, I've seen parts of dogma too. Um, okay

It's not like I was never like a I was never

a huge fan I'm also not a huge detractor. So

I do think I remember when Phantom Menace came

out and he was part of like some TV video or

whatever that hyped it up Yeah, okay, and then

suddenly he was attacking the prequels. It's

like, okay Yeah, you're playing with Anakin's

helmet and then suddenly you're like our movie

sucks. Okay Like if you're gonna be bought stay

bought Yeah, exactly. I was actually surprised

to see Brian Ward in this I guess I shouldn't

be surprised because it's Brian Ward and I know

the guy he's a producer over at shout factory

or shout studios is now what they're called but

shout factory i've interviewed brian a couple

of times here on the get cast radio network and

i love talking to brian i was in his podcast

the arkham sessions which i was kind of surprised

he wore his podcast t -shirt like i whatever

it is what it is but i like hearing from him

i thought that was um hilariously funny and cool

and awesome and informative i just. Yeah, overall,

just seeing how the people that were interviewed

for the special and how they talked about it

and how some of them revered it and how some

of them just cringed about it and how some of

the people that actually worked on it, one of

the greatest lines that is in this is whatever

I've worked on, you know, the good, the bad.

Yeah, the guy's name. Yeah. Yeah, one of the

producers. I did some good stuff and I always

kept my name on it. I did some bad stuff and

I always kept my name on it. Absolutely. Because

you're going to do stuff no matter what and sometimes

there's success, sometimes there's failures and

it doesn't matter what it is. You still did it.

You can't undo it. It was fun to, to dice, to,

to see them dissect this and to see them look

at it. And what I liked the most about all of

the people talking about what inner, like when

I saw Craig talking, cause we interviewed Craig,

Craig Miller, I was going to mention that. yeah

i was like wait a minute this is exactly the

same stuff that craig told like obviously he

has the obviously he's gonna tell the same story

obviously but it's like hey i've heard this like

person to person kind of thing but what i appreciated

more than most is kind of almost like wow When

Seth Green was talking and the way that Seth

Green was telling his story, it was like, he

almost has a personal relationship. Like literally

he didn't, he say something about like, he was

talking very frankly with George or so he said

something in this special where he said something

to the effect of. He was talking either very

frankly with George or very honest with George

Lucas back and forth. Like they had a very honest

conversation about some of this stuff. Or something

and I was like, huh, that's interesting because

not a lot of people would be so bold as To like

most p I'm assuming most people in Seth Green's

position specifically Would try to be a kiss

-ass to George I mean maybe But I think Seth

Green's also in the position where he's he's

dealt with a lot of kiss -asses true he's had,

you know the stuff with the I can't really show

Oh Robot chicken robot chicken. Yep, you know,

I mean, so I you know, I'm not saying they're

equals per se, but I think it's you know, and

because he is the producer on this other show

that they were working on. Yeah, I think he probably

felt a little more comfortable being able to

like and it sounds like they got Lucas to do

stuff for them. Yes. Some of the robot chicken

stuff they show sounds like George. And I remember

there was a famous thing that they filmed, which

apparently was a joke because George allegedly

hates Mara Jade. There's a famous thing where

like somebody brings Marjade up in like a conference

and Lucas loses his mind and throws the guy out

and fires him and says I'm sorry He's gone. Don't

worry about it. We'll never mention her again.

And that's a joke. I mean that was that was that

was for fun Yeah, I think George he had this

weird thing about people that like do amazing

things Where we sort of lion we we want to lionize.

We also want to tear him down George is just

a guy from Modesto. Oh, yeah And, you know, I'm

sure he has a sense of humor about it, and I'm

also sure there's a quote in the film about how

he's talked about the holiday special more than

he ever worked on it. You know, and I'm sure

there is a sense, I'm sure, you know, when you

meet somebody and you're working on a project,

you gotta like, there's gonna be that moment

where it's like, look, George, I've loved working

with you. I mean, I probably wouldn't do that

because I've seen all this stuff, so I don't

have these questions answered. But like, if I

hadn't seen this special, especially if I hadn't

seen this special, Yeah, probably would be like

George look really enjoyed. It's been an honor

working with you. You were a big part of my childhood

But I gotta ask I mean, you know, you know that

anybody going into that has always oh, yeah,

but I gotta ask I just I know I get it. I know

you hate it What happened? Yeah, how can you

not how can you how can you have that opportunity

and not ask? Yeah, absolutely. Like I said now

I've kind of seen what happened. I wouldn't do

that but like Yeah, you know, but that's only

because this documentary exists and probably

is because Seth Green was the guy who asked Exactly.

No, I Like how they had a whole Sanskrit tells

a story about how he held switch told him the

famous quote which for a while was on the back

of every DVD bootleg, which is if I had time

and a hammer I tracked down every bootleg copy

and smash it Yeah, that was that was fun. That

was fun. Everyone read letter media did their

best of the best of the worst holiday special

episode Like every copy of the DVD had that on

the back and they had like multiple different,

you know copies Yeah, the joke was every present

was the holiday special they couldn't escape

me. That's funny Yeah, no it was very awesome

to watch it was very and I Yeah There was it

like I think I mentioned this in the holiday

special episode, but I'll bring them up again

there were things um I must have been distracted

for a moment because I remember was Cher supposed

to be in the Diane Carroll role. Yes. Yeah Cheryl

supposed to be the graphic lady And then there's

the part about like they the the director I think

was at a comedy club and brought in Robin Williams

Yep. The two producers were like, yeah, we don't

want him. Because this was like in between his

appearance on Happy Days and then like a month

later. He was on Morgan Mindy. Yep. It's like,

oh man, Robin was probably going, oh, probably

thinking he was lucky. Yeah, dodge that bullet.

Oh, why did you say that? What? What? It wasn't

like I said they hung him out to dry. Wow. What?

Look, I... You're lucky you edit this thing.

That's right. I was like, I was gonna say dive

to bullet and I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh

yeah, oh yeah. Robin, we love you, we miss you.

We do. We need you. Yes, luckily we can watch

a bunch of clips of you online and see you in

a bunch of the movies that you've done over the

years and your career that you had. Oh boy, but

yeah, this would be a very different special

if they had agreed to Robin though. I mean, I

think the entire point of this documentary is

that at every step of the way it was going to

be a different thing. It changed. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, it started as a Star Wars thing and morphed

into a horrible 70s variety thing. I mean, I

think what, go ahead. Well, I mean, you know,

it's like Bob Mackie did the costumes. Like,

again, that might not mean so much for, especially

young people hearing this now, but as a child

of the 70s, I knew, I kind of know who Bob Mackie

is. He was the costumer for everything. They

even showed a clip from The Love Belt. Which

younger people was a very popular TV show back

in the day. Bob Mackie goes on the show as Bob

Mackie. That's how big he was. They have a guy

who actually has one of the costumes from the

holiday special. That's one thing is whenever

I watch stuff like this, I always feel like such

a piker, you know? No, no, no. This guy's sitting

there and he's got like actual blasters that

were in the movie and actual masks and he's got

a costume from the holiday special and then they

interview the girl that was from the costume.

That's right. This is like, you know, we had

Sanskrit. I'm like, since he's got an actual

tie fighter in his basement. I'm like, God damn

it. That's because you want an actual tie fighter

in your basement. But I mean, I kind of want

one now. It's. Yeah. How come the guy who's known

for being a collector and has written multiple

books on collecting and was in charge of that

part, that department in Lucasfilm, how come

how come he gets a tie fighter and I some random

nobody in the Midwest doesn't get one? That doesn't

seem fair. Because I was some big -shot writer

for Wall Street Journal back when Star Wars came

out was able to buy all the toys because I had

money He's a guy that started me kind of on my

second Star Wars track I went to it was my very

first Gen Con and they had a copy of sand suites

the original ice guide or whatever the little

you know, like the Star Wars collectible price

guide Think he also had the he also has a book

about collecting general. Um, I've got them both

at the same time and I was like I had this I

had this I had this oh my god, it was like oh

and even back then in like 1993 or 1994 dollars.

It's like oh my god. I threw a fortune Yeah,

yeah, I got me started on the collecting train.

That is so awesome folks If you've watched the

holiday special and you have not watched a disturbance

in the forest. Yep All right If you have watched

the holiday special and you have not yet watched

a disturbance in the forest Do yourself a favor

watch the behind -the -scenes stuff. It is so

fun. It's so informative and It'll give you very

informative. Yeah It was a lot of these things

have a lot of smoke but not a lot of heat necessarily,

you know I mean, I did a lot of puffing about

but this does have a lot of behind -the -scenes

information and it does Really kind of tell you

the story of how this mess You know, cuz like

the the first director quit went back to Canada

after three days Yep, brought in this other guy

and like he was like, okay, I'll do this but

I Can't stick around to edit and he's like I've

always edited everything I've done but the holiday

special because I just couldn't I was committed

to something else Yep, so the producers had to

edit it and they didn't know how to do that.

So I mean, yeah like it's just a every step of

the way. And I think my other favorite story

is the B. Arthur Walrus Man story. Where the

guy that was in the walrus suit basically just

had to because he couldn't see because of the

costume and the thing and the whatever. You can

see these tiny little slits right like like below

his mouth. He could kind of look up. Yeah, yeah,

he could kind of look through those. He just

kind of Dance monkey dance, but he just kind

of had to keep reaching and reaching and reaching

you finally grabbed her hands just kind of danced

around and Seeing be Arthur and I think I think

it said in 1981 interview Where she was talking

about it and she barely remembered anything about

it. It's just a job for them I'm not thinking

on you, but I mean a lot of this is a common

thing. Yeah is they don't understand this was

just a job. It was a job for Harrison Ford. It

was a job for Mark Hamill. It was even a job

for, like, for Lucas, it was a passion. But,

like, especially, you're in one thing in 1978,

and if you're doing the interview in 1980, you

know, you know, in 1981, like, Empire has become

a big thing, Star was a big thing, but, like,

you didn't know you were gonna be this cultural

icon for being Acmena for the rest of your existence.

There'll always be this like thing aside, you

know, she didn't even know the golden girls were

gonna happen yet She was just maud at that point,

which was still fairly big but like I'm saying

is like it's just funny that fans never quite

get Especially actors they do their job the idea

is you move on to the next job and In fact, one

of the worst things that can happen actors sometimes

is that you can lock it you get typecast, right?

That's the one of the worst things that can happen

is you're always Spock You're always doctor.

Like the the the doctor who's always quit after

a little while because they don't want to be

Tom Baker. They don't want to be associated with

this role for the rest of the life. Now, of course,

you know, years later, when it comes time to

do the convention circuit and, you know, and

particularly if you have a good fandom, which

I think Star Wars is a pretty good fandom. I

think Doctor Who is a pretty good fandom and

you get to see the love. Because people generally

love you and you did make an impact in their

lives. I think it comes around. Nimoy famously

came around. But like, particularly when you're

a younger actor, not necessarily young, but you

know, your careers are vital. You don't want

to be locked into a thing. I played a bartender

in one scene in a crappy 70s, blah blah blah.

Of course she doesn't remember it. But we as

fans... You know, I was there in 1978 watching

it. I remember Bea Arthur sings and dances. Like

this is the thing. I want that figure to this

day. I would punch someone in the face to get

that figure. But for Bea Arthur, you know, to

quote Street Fighter, it was a Tuesday. It was

a Tuesday. It was a job. It was just a thing

she did. She didn't know and she didn't care.

It was a nothing role. Paid some money, you know,

I mean out of out of like a harley corman had

like one that but he had three roles in that

film or that thing. I know Apparently like dressing

up ginger. Yeah. Um, yeah I think that's another

thing. That's like It's funny because he's making

fun of julia child And it's like yes, how many

people in 2025 even know who julia child is anymore?

It's weird it just so Watching this reminds me

of how much we need to be showing the current

generation of what has already come before them.

We need to be teaching people about Julia Child

and other things that have come. Yes. I think

to some extent, you're right. I don't know that

Julia Child is necessarily a thing we need to

teach people about. Like, yeah, I mean, I remember

in the 80s, like mid, I was in high school. My

mom realized I'd never seen, like, Casablanca.

I'd never seen Maltese Falcon. So she went to

the video store and rented all these movies,

all these classic movies. And I loved them. I

really enjoyed them. But she felt really strongly

that I should've watched, like, all these Captain

Blood and Maltese Falcon and, you know... I think

I got Citizen Kane on my own. But it was just

like... I do think we have a little bit of a...

I think modern culture, you know... Has become

very insular or cannibalistic. I mean, what are

the movies? I'm looking forward like what the

movies I'm gonna see this summer another dress

park another Superman movie Another Fantastic

Four movie. I mean it's like another this another

that You know, it's not like a new thing like

even John wick is on spinoffs now Yeah, the only

like like there's a second what is it? There's

a it's not apparently it's not a John wick knockoff

But, um, nobody. There's a sequel to nobody.

Yeah. It's like, even the stuff that's kind of,

like, there's a fourth terrifier. You know what

I mean? There's the ninth final destiny. Like,

like, we, we, we, we, we, we, our culture consumes

itself. Oh, yeah. In terms of Disney Star Wars,

is that Star Wars isn't being written by people

who watched, you know, Japanese movies and World

War II movies and... It's being written by people

who watch Star Wars movies. And so it's like,

you know, it's not that Star Wars was ever a

uniquely written, Star Wars wasn't original at

all. But it was a, the point is it's like cooking.

Art is like cooking. It took different ingredients,

you know, and made, it took this piece and this

piece and this piece and put them all together

in a way that hadn't been done before. And Disney

Star Wars is, let's take that and we'll take

the final thing and reprocess it. Not always

there are a few There are a few things that slip

by like you can't completely write off and there

are a few people that like I Think Favreau was

pretty good in the early Mandalorians. Yeah,

he took Star Wars He took pieces that weren't

necessarily like Mind out too much because I

mean like Boba Fett was really popular but like

they never really did anything with him But in

the comics in the book, but the normal people

don't watch the com read the comics and watch

them read the books Like they took a Boba Fett

Yoda and IG they took stuff that like had appeared

but like hadn't really been used. I think it's

really effective about that to a point. To a

point. Yeah, to a point. And the thing with me

referencing that today's generation needs to

learn from Julia Child is that I learned from

Julia Child in the eighties and I would rather

have today's generation learning to cook. food

from Julia Child, then to learn how to get angry

at people from Gordon Ramsey. Cause that's all

that guy knows how to do. That's how they show

them. Have you ever? Right. That's my point.

No. Okay. It's a completely different show. Of

course it is. Well, it is because he actually

is like talking about the area and food and cooking

and there's a lot less yelling and screaming

and freaking out. It's a completely different

vibe than the American version. The American

version is just, he's screaming constantly. It's

really weird. And he really gets invested in

these things. I think part of it is, they deliberately

pick completely screwed up restaurants, and they

play it up. The American version plays up the

drama. The English version plays up, not the

cooking per se, but the art of restauranteering.

Because the British people am sophisticated Americans

eat boogers I kind of yeah, no, no, I it's I

understand where you're getting that analogy

from But I think it's slightly unfair because

you don't know the whole picture true yeah, I

understand your child was all about like her

whole thing and Even uh, even the Harvey Korman

robot says it it's fun to cook She was about

stop being afraid to cook. Enjoy it. It's it's

fun and that's Well, I mean new child was never

my thing that was the guy that came after her

something gourmet the frugal gourmet Yeah, like

yeah, I think you don't need to bring back Julia

child We need to find our own Julia child We

need to find someone who can teach these Millennials.

Don't be afraid to get your cereal bowl dirty

Don't be afraid to like wash some dishes you

know and we need that for like everything Yeah

We need we need we need we need our own Norm

Abrams because I don't know how to fix my house

We do we need we need a guy who knows how to

fix car we need we need to teach people how to

live like and and and And all this online stuff.

It's great, but it's not life. No, we need that

You know, like I said at the very beginning,

there's a ball, go outside, play. I mean, the

phrase is touch grass. You know, you need to.

But because we're all we're all busy online going,

oh, there's a politician out like rabble rabble

rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble. See, I don't

do that. I don't care. I can't. This last campaign

thing was very painful for me because my best

friend was very invested in it. And I'm like,

dude, I don't want to talk about it. I don't

care. I hate everybody. Um, hey everybody and

they'll really I at the time I thought they'd

have a minimal effect in my life I was kind of

wrong As a toy collector, I was laughably wrong

but uh, you know, like you just You got to learn

how to like live man Let it go and just enjoy

the go for a walk feel fuel best thing in life

It's a warm sun and a cool breeze. And if you're

out and you're among trees and you feel that

warm sun in your face and you get started to

get a little hot and then a cool breeze comes

in, that is what life is all about, man. That

moment. As long as the cool breeze isn't affected

by a previous lightsaber swipe. I'm not sure.

Well, I had to bring it back to Star Wars somehow.

Disturbance in the Force, folks. Go check it

out. You can watch it on... I think it's available

for purchase or rent on all the stuff. Amazon,

Fandango, Google, all that kind of stuff. I thought

it was available to actually stream on some of

the subscription -based things, but... It isn't

unfortunately I thought it was on some of the

ones that I already subscribe to but it isn't

so I wonder if everybody but Disney are afraid

of Disney. I mean yeah I guess I don't know look

I got my copy I don't care yep absolutely. I

think obviously we're giving this thing a five

out of five folks, not that we were going to

rate it anyway, but it is a five out of five

for a documentary overall, I would say. I agree.

I think it does, you know, keep coming back to

it to answer the question, which is what you

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