STUDIO 2009
Star Wars – Episodes VII-IX Music Scores Review

About this Episode
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all right. Today, we head once again to a galaxy
far, far away. That's right. We continue the
12 months of Star Wars Spotlight as we make our
way back to the beginning of the sky. No. No,
at the end of the sky. Yeah. Yeah. So this is
the end of the Skywalker Saga and we will be
discussing the music of Star Wars the sequel
trilogy, which is the farce awakens the lost
Jedi and Reign of Skywalker. Oh, wait, those
are the titles Force force awakens last yet I
didn't know if you were doing a thing or yeah,
I was doing a thing. Yeah So Dave, what do you
got for us? So, okay, I want to start with a
quote from Roger Ebert. Okay, and of course the
website has given me an ad that's very useful,
thank you. He's talking about Return of the Jedi,
actually, so it's somewhat appropriate, and he's
talking about the richness of the film and how
the camera in Jedi slides casually past forms
of life that would provide the centerpiece for
lesser movies. He's talking about what makes
Star Wars Star Wars. It's just so rich that,
you know... There's a random creature in Jabba's
palace that could be its own movie. And I thought
about that a lot, particularly during the Force
Awakens soundtrack, because I just felt like,
like, if this was any other movie, you know,
it's it's it's John Williams music. And, you
know, you'd be you'd be happy to have it. But
this was star. I mean, technically, this was
Star Wars. And I was bored. Like I you know that
I had never listened I I think force awakens
maybe I listen to the whole thing before but
I never listened to rise of Skywalker or last
Jedi all the way through before because I would
get bored yeah, and it was just You know, I mean
and Williams is like in his 90s now. He's you
know, so I mean you're gonna fall off at some
point in your life but it's just like You know
like with with there were there are a couple
of pieces in the early force awakens soundtrack
that were just like, I call them random running
around music. It's like they're running around,
running around, running around. And like I kept,
you know, I think in one of the other podcasts
I talked about Out to Sea from Jaws or the 1941
theme or even like Battle of the Heroes, you
know, or the Asteroid Chase. They build and they
build and the ones in The Force Awakens didn't
build to anything. They're just kind of like
treadmills. And then I was like, this is a metaphor
for the entire frigging trilogy. It's just, it's
just a treadmill. It doesn't go anywhere. I mean,
it's, it's, it's good. It's well done music.
It sounds well. I'm sure it goes over whatever
was on screen at the time. Well, but like, I
probably will never listen to these sound effects
again on their own. Cause it just, it was uninspired.
It was, it was work. It was, it was, it was well
done. It was workman like, but you know, like
you can't go like, there was no piece of music
that stood out like the asteroid theme. You know
I noticed like I you know I noticed like you
know a couple times and another thought I had
was during a Like it was again force awakens
was the one that I paid the most attention to
I'm gonna be honest because I got bored Yeah,
but I noticed like with the first order theme
It was like there was and they did man on the
moon the Andy Kaufman biopic which you carry
They wanted REM to do another song because the
name of the film was based on an REM song about
Andy Kaufman Right and like you do another song
and and the guy who I I don't know my bands but
the guy who's in charge of REM He's like, you
know, the problem is we already did one really
memorable song about Andy Kaufman How do you
do another one? Yeah, and it was like John Williams
already did the ultimate theme for an evil galactic
empire with the Imperial March Yeah, and now
he's got to do another one for the first order
and it's like yeah and it was it was the first
order theme is okay, like And I also noticed,
like, Ray has a whole theme, has a whole thing,
and that guy played really heavily in the third
one in Rise of Skywalker, I noticed. It got really
folded into the music more than it did the other
two. Like, Kylo Ren only got like a, I don't
know music terms, but he got like a sting. He
got like, and that's it. He didn't have a whole
piece of music to himself. Well, Ray did. Ray
had that whole Ray's theme, which is when we,
I mean, Spoiler alert like that is the best piece
of music from the entire Trilogy, you know the
entire sequel trilogy soundtrack because it's
the most original unique and interesting piece
of music from me everything else is just either
workman like or Kind of trying to retrace steps
Some I mean some of its good. I'm not saying
any of its bad like you can't right? No, it's
not bad, but it's just not magic Yeah, it's not
the magic that we had 47 years ago with the original
Star Wars or, you know, 44 years ago with, you
know, Empire. The prequels were like only 20
years ago. Yeah. I mean, you know, like, and
again, like, I mean, the prequels were actually
lusher than the original soundtrack. I think
the prequels were like maybe like the absolute
peak John Williams. Yeah. I mean this dude like
it's not like he slacked off after Star Wars.
I mean, he's not at all Yeah, I mean he still
the directs park. He's I mean, you know the Indiana
Jones films the We thought we mentioned catch
me if you can which is has a great jazzy kind
of soundtrack. Oh So it's just like but it's
just like these don't feel like the entire sequel
trilogy It's an appropriate soundtrack because
it doesn't feel inspired or magical And that's
how this whole thing feels. It feels like something
they did. The sequel trilogy feels like a sequel.
And I mean that in the harshest possible way.
Like Jaws 2, there's another shark that attacks
Amity Island. Die Hard 2, there's more terrorists
that bother John McClane. Force Awakens, there's
another evil galactic empire that needs another
band of plucky heroes and a young Jedi in training.
It's like, it's what a sequel is, which is why
it has no oomph. You know, sequels are more than
the same, but slightly different. And the best
sequels are ones that continue the story, like
Empire. Yeah. So we've both already stated, and
this is still true, folks, here in Dark Side
December, seeing as how that's the only forced
theme I can think of to name this thing. But
we've already decided, and you already have already
known if you've listened to any of our other
12 months of Star Wars series, we are not...
Covering the acolyte. However, I think I put
my commentary in one of the previous episodes
we did at the at the very end is an outtake because
Somebody basically paid me 50 bucks and I sold
myself to the devil and I watched I want 50 bucks
And I watched the eight episodes of the acolyte
and I counted I cut all of my I literally sat
here for eight hours Almost all at once I recorded
every episode as an audio track commentary And
that's what you would have heard the the 20 -minute
version of it So basically I recorded eight and
a half hours of audio Cut all the blurbs and
blips and blah -blah -blah and all that out of
it and made it a 20 -minute clip for an eight
episode television show the end of the day the
story point was Spoiler because I know you're
not gonna watch I know you don't care But in
case anyone that doesn't I'm like really interested
in what you have to say about it. So okay. Well
When I realized like three seconds after like
the last one of the I think it was episode seven
or eight What what they were going to do with
the twins? I'm like, oh you but they were twins
They were the same person right? The point of
it is, the good one... Let's just imagine in
the Star Wars universe that they were actually
twins because twins has been a thing in Star
Wars for 47 years. We've got some very big expectations.
Yeah, well, yeah. Okay, I'll be good. I'll be
quiet. The good one went evil and the evil one
went good. Did the evil one go good or did the
evil one just be less evil? I thought it was
like they mind -wiped her and she sort of surrendered
and she was going to come back someday. But the
I think the major point for me is the good girl
went bad and i'm not saying that's a bad thing,
but i'm literally like The whole and people can
i'll i'll send you the 20 minute clips You can
hear it by yourself and you don't have to worry
about it. But like the whole time that I spent
watching that show I saw that coming a mile away.
I oh they're doing that. Oh, this is what they're
okay Uh -huh. I see I see I see it was Again,
we've talked about on this podcast, on the podcast
with you and other people, how writing today
in this day and age is not what it was 10, 15,
25, 35, 45 years ago. And it's like, maybe it's
because we're so used to like, there are no quote
unquote, original plots there, people who start
writing. Well, there never were. Well, okay,
fine. I mean, if you study literature, Hands
up. I actually have a degree in that There are
only like what seven plots Yeah, there's there's
really only seven stories or whatever and it's
it's how you I I really think it's more a mix
of I hate to sound like a crouchy old man. It's
more a mix of These kids have been raised on
like every fart that comes out of their butthole
is praised every crayon scribble goes on the
fridge and and they they're never told that they
know and Used to be you'd think okay when they
get out in the real world, you know, it's gonna
slap them upside the head But the real world
has started accommodating them and so now we
get scripts that are very self -indulgent and
very sloppy and I mean what I know about that
show Like Leslie Hedlund kept talking about how
she was working through issues with her sister
through that show But from what I know about
that show if our sister I'd get out of restraining
order Yeah, because it's we're not we're not
really sisters. We're the same person, you know,
it's like that That the spongebob meme spongebob
meme where he like lifts up the shirt and he
and squidward are like attached. Yeah I'd be
like going into hiding like no, I'm my person
like because in the show there's literally because
the episode I want I watch one episode nobody
paid me and the quote good sister was like no
I want to be my own person and the back sister
was like no we're the same I'm like This is and
then literally it turns out she's right. They're
the same person. It's it's creepy Yeah, it's
very creepy like because I and I was confused
because I was like well I'm assuming that the
bad sister is right like because this has a real
anti Jedi anti conventional attitude But but
if that's right, that's a creepy attitude to
have about your sister that you're part of me
And and but it's also a very modern very Like
the kids today, it's like, you're mine, me, we're
together, we're not individual people. I mean,
first of all, I assure you, you don't really
want any part of this. You should be happy your
genes are distinct from mine. From what I've
witnessed of my parents and my family and my
medical history and my... Yeah, you don't want
any part of this. Trust me. Same. Yeah, no, same.
Yeah, no. Like, yeah. So getting back to the
music of... Getting back to the music. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. We're talking about those memorable
sequel soundtracks. And the funny thing is, like,
I understand what you're saying of there's no
real, like, other than race theme, there's no
real breakout, I guess, technically, Starkiller,
the Starkiller could. And I guess... Kylo arriving
at the battle, I guess that's kind of his theme.
But like, yeah, he doesn't have a whole theme.
He just had that stinger. Yeah, that stinger.
And then Snoke's theme or whatever Snoke was
like, oh, man, for me, what this was. And I think
because Disney was trying to recapture people
like us, the people that grew up with the franchise
and not the new people. Every piece of music
that. is a stinger or is a piece that is from
everything else. Like the Falcon, like the this,
like any time any of the classic Williams themes
pop up. That's when I popped listening to this
music on this specific score. Yeah, I mean, but
at the same time, like on the one hand, I, you
know, you forgive them that because I mean, You
would if you see the Falcon you're gonna play
familiar Star Wars music if you see a character
that you know Like like blaze theme shows up
at one point which makes sense because Leia's
in that scene Yoda's theme shows up when um,
he's burning down the the big stump Big stump
library. Um, but Yoda's it like it like that
makes sense. I'm fine with that I don't know
that I perked up per se it was just like oh,
there's Yoda's theme. That must be that scene.
Um Because I was know a lot of it when I was
walking. Um, so I couldn't like look at the tracks
I get what you're saying. It's a problem working
in this sort of sphere because on the one hand,
you're trying to make the fans happy and on the
other hand, in theory, you're trying to tell
a good story. What's best for them and I know
that there's a very That sounds very arrogant,
but that's also kind of true. It's very true
actually That's why you get more of the same
but different because they're just trying to
give you what they think you want You like the
last thing so we'll give you more of that Yeah,
but I mean, you know like and I think that was
one of the reasons that the prequels had a hard
time of it because they were very different and
you know, I mean that that was I mean I I when
when force awakens first came out. I've been
very harsh on the sequels in this podcast, but
we've got like four or five years of hindsight.
When it first came out I was very easy on it
because to me that was trying to win back both
fans and the normies to Star Wars because by
the time that you know the prequels were done
it was pretty much a niche Star Wars fan thing
where the general audience had been kind of lost.
They knew what Star Wars was and they knew that
remember that they like Star Wars but the general
audience was kind of like yeah now it's like
this weird thing and So The Force Awakens was
was trying very hard to be, hey, remember Star
Wars? I mean, the South Park did that whole member
berries thing, you know, remember Star Wars member,
the Millennium Falcon member Han Solo member
of lightsabers. And then was like, OK, I get
it. You spent four billion dollars on this franchise.
You want to get the people back. You know, I
was fine with that. And then I actually kind
of like Last Jedi. because they broke the toy.
And at the time, I really liked Last Jedi because
it broke all the toys. It put all the toys in
the driveway and then backed up over them and
crushed them. I was like, cool, where are they
gonna go next? And where they went next was into
complete panic mode and just a huge mess and
filmed like three films and just nothing worked
because they didn't have a plan. And I know that
she's a big punching bag for the fandom. but
oh my god Kathleen Kennedy was put in charge
of this thing and she did not have a plan and
Whether or not she wanted to skew the franchise
feminist whether or not she wanted to have like
a very liberal modern take on things Because
Lucas is a big liberal too. Yeah, I mean there's
liberals like Pat May's reaction to the Senate
turning over to Palpatine is Direct commentary
on the Bush administration. Mm -hmm All the stuff
that people really hate on Kathleen Kennedy for,
to me, that's all less important than the fact
she had no plan. That's the unforgivable thing
for me. You can make a good feminist movie, you
can make a good feminist story, you can make
a good... Kids of the 80s talk about Princess
Leia was an iconic feminist character. It wasn't
a feminist story, but she's a breakout character.
I grew up with Ripley, I grew up with Leia, I
grew up with Sarah Connor. I mean, nobody likes
Joss Whedon anymore, but, you know, Buffy the
Vampire Slayer was a big thing back in the day.
Yeah, I mean, like, that's the thing, like, and,
you know, whatever, like, nobody likes, obviously,
because one is a criminal, the other two kind
of went insane. The three people I'm going to
mention, Bill Cosby, Joss Whedon, and Dean Cain.
Dean Cain, for the longest time, 30 -something
years ago, was Superman for four seasons in Lois
and Clark. I like... The work he did for that
show, but I don't have to like him as a person
in real life. I love that show But you know the
same thing with Joss I like angel more than Buffy
because I've seen angel more times than I've
seen Buffy But I like from what I've seen of
Buffy. I really enjoy it same thing with the
Cosby show Yeah, the man Cosby's a weird one
for me because Cosby was I'm old enough that
coffee was this huge icon in my childhood. I
listened to his albums when I was growing up,
his comedy albums, and he was on iSpy, and he
created Fat Albert. And it's just weird that
all of a sudden, from the perspective of a kid
in the Midwest who wasn't in on anything, suddenly
he's this creepy sex pervert who did these terrible
things. And you're like, oh, damn. Weedon you
can kind of you can see a little more with Weedon
where he was a little too. Yeah At the same time,
I love the the first Avengers movie and I I'm
more a Buffy guy than I am an angel guy I I watch
Buffy a lot. So like yeah, but my thing has always
been I don't want to know I'm one of those people.
I don't care about these people's personal lives.
I'm the same way. I mean, yeah I don't think
about like Harrison Ford loves marijuana Cheated
on his wife with Calista Flockhart and like dumped
her dumped the mother of his kids To be with
this skinny little skeleton woman. I don't want
to I don't want to think about that when I'm
watching Indiana Jones I don't want to think
about you know if you if you love Republicans,
I don't care if you love Democrats I don't care
like and and you know everything gets so hyper
now that one of these days You're gonna say something
you're gonna cross the line. It's gonna be like
oh Now, every time I watch this movie, I'm going
to be thinking about that stupid thing you said,
one way or the other. I was never a big fan of
the Loris and Clark show. But yeah, I get where
he's kind of a political figure now that the
right really coalesces around. And I can see,
if you're not into that, you're like, I wish
you had kept your mouth. And conversely, Mark
Hamill has gotten really involved with left leaning
stuff and Biden. And so there's a lot of people
like, ah, Mark Hamill, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah. I'm like, I still love Star Wars, and I
still think he's the iconic Joker. And I literally
remember a story on my way to a Gen Con once
about these two guys were talking about how Mark
Hamill had gotten this bad reputation, blah,
blah, blah, that he'd caused all this trouble
in this convention. And then they looked into
it, and it was actually one of his assistants
who was kind of doing it on their own. And once
they got a hold of Mark, he took care of everything.
Yeah, and it's like like Mark Hamill's a really
great guy. Yeah, like you ever heard bad story
about Mark Hamill? It's probably not true and
I I prefer to think about that then, you know,
okay now he's kind of siding This guy or siding
with that guy like I just I don't want to know
these things about these people like and I'm
sorry, but you you you lie to people for a living.
That's what acting is. It's lying. Yeah I mean,
this is cold It's all the value you have to me
like whether or not you have opinions about like
geopolitical, you know, the situation in Israel
is or you know situation in Ukraine or You know
the tax policies That's not really what you were
trained for I mean, I know that Natalie Partman
has like a degree in physics or something So,
I mean, you know, okay, she's smart but like
it's just that's not what I'm interested in I
just wanted I just want to be entertained and
I don't this is this is one of the problems with
modern writing You can put your messages in the
story. Most good stories have messages, but it's
the Mary Poppins. Is it Mary Poppins? No, it's
the other one. Sound of Music. It's a spoonful
of sugar. You make the story entertaining. The
message sinks in by osmosis rather than, this
is the message about things. Gay people are good.
Shut up. It's like, okay, I watch Birdcage. There
was a show on Showtime called Brothers. Watch
the original college apples like I watch shows
that weren't in my face about that and that's
where I form my opinion about Okay, is that they
would at the time this apparently is a homophobe
become comment now but like at the time I just
thought there were people too and they just wanted
to love who they wanted to love and I just wanted
to live their lives and They weren't any worse
than anybody else That's what I've always thought
well, I'm an old person and now I'm like, well,
they're not better than me either So it's like
I'm a homophobe But I never thought they were
worse because I watch these things that presented
them as people Philadelphia presented them as
people rather than gays gays gays gaying and
being gay and having bright hair and engaging
gayery and it's like They were humans. They were
characters. They weren't Cartoons. Yeah, and
now they're cartoons because the writers today
don't want to bother Part of it. I think is they
don't want to you know, to be a good character.
You have to have a little bit of a rough edge
Yeah, you have something to be interesting. Yeah,
I mean look look Tony Stark. Tony Stark's a complete
piece of shit really He's a complete asshole
who has but he's got to start there So he could
become the guy who snaps his fingers and sacrifices
his life to save the universe Absolutely, it's
all an art I mean, so and I think they don't
want to like they don't want to say that this
person does this bad thing because then you're
like Oh, you're saying all gay people are do
this bad thing It's like no this character has
this flaw and he's not perfect and I think modern
writers are really scared to make flawed characters
of their sacred cows. But then it's just message
and cartoons, and there's nowhere to go. This
is a weird tangent, and I'm sure people are like,
weren't you supposed to be talking about Star
Wars music? If you tell a child when they're
six years old, they're perfect the way they are,
why are they supposed to go? Children are awful.
So telling a child that the six is perfect is
like a perfect setup for failure. Because why
do I have? Why do I have to care about other
people? Why do I have to like work and compromise
and care about other people's feelings? No, I
care about my feelings. Me, me, me, me, me, me.
And it's like, and I think that's, you know,
we've got a whole, we've got, my generation was
the first generation that started with that crap.
And now we're like three, you know, three generations
in. I have a friend who just quit teaching because
he cannot reach these kids. I sent him a Cartman
meme about that. How do I reach these kids? It
teaches history, which is one of the worst things
to teach kids these days because they already
know everything. Yeah, exactly. So I think part
of the reason that I'm getting so excited about
everything but the music is because, as I said,
the music is very, it's okay. Yeah, so Force
Awakens. And we can talk about this on each one,
but I'm gonna sit here and say Force Awakens.
Okay, I'm gonna jump a little bit to the end.
I think the best one of the bunch was Riser Skywalker.
I think that had the most interesting original
compositions. Yep. Where Force Awakens was the
most boring. Yeah. Well, my thing is, is that
what I noticed, because even though I did and
I have listened to all three of these scores
through Spotify, when I was doing other things
on Spotify, and I use their like most recently
played whatever to keep track of everything I'm
doing. So these would then fall. Down the list.
So when I go to get them back up the list, I
usually do it in order So I do I do it in order
so they show up so seven eight nine show up seven
eight nine So you got to do nine eight seven
to have them show up in order so I've heard the
opening main title So many times in a lot like
literally I've been preparing for this for like
three months folks Even though I've only listened
to the the three scores in the last three weeks.
I've been preparing for this for three months
I have listened to main title and the attack
on Jakku village main title and escape and fanfare
and prologue So many times in the last three
months and that opening just the opening note
of the main title on each of these Sounds different
to me. It's not the it does. Yeah Every single
one and i'm not i'm not saying it's a bad thing.
I'm not saying oh my god It's not whatever i'm
saying. I noticed that oh Maybe John changed
a few things. Maybe Mr. Williams did something
different here, even though it's the same thing.
Maybe he sped it up, slowed it down, whatever.
I don't know. Also, it was recorded at different
times. There might be different people in the
orchestra. Absolutely. I'm not saying it's a
bad thing. I'm just saying it's something that
I noticed that until I listened to each score
throughout on repeat, like the 23 tracks for
Force Awakens, and then the 20 for last jedi
and then the 19 for uh rise of skywalker yeah
i i gotta say rise of skywalker has for me has
the best music out of the three i like like if
i'm if i'm gonna rank them like number one two
and three number three is force awakens number
two is last jedi and number one is rise of skywalker
with last jedi I know a lot of people may not
like the whole Finn and Rose thing, but I like
the music that accompanied that. And again, I
like Finn. I think Finn's a great character.
I wish, we can't go back, but I wish Finn would
have been the more central character. Yeah, I
mean, I was gonna say I like John Boyega, the
actor. Again, when I found out he was cast in
these movies, I was so excited. And I'm really
let down with what they did with Finn and I I
don't hate Rose. It's just she didn't do anything
You know, I mean the one thing she did was free
a bunch of horses on a planet where they were
gonna get captured five minutes later like Her
plot was a waste of time. That's true But like
the stuff with the two of them where that theme
comes from in last Jedi track 5 fun with Finn
and Rose that that two minutes and 33 seconds
of music. That reminds me of the scenes that
they had together and how they as characters
interacted with each other, regardless of what
she did or didn't do or what he didn't get to
be or ended up being. But yeah, and I would say
Force Awakens is the most, oh my God, we need
to put as many original or close to the original
Star Wars cues as we can. Last Jedi is... Kind
of similar, but it's also more of Hey, let's
try to make some new music here and put some
new stuff in but then rise of Skywalker is just
like But it also like really leans super heavily
on race theme It does like it's the only piece
of new music. I mean again, they've got like
the resistance has a little bit of a sting And
Kylo Ren has a sting and they use those two and
then the fourth order has a thing. They've all
got little things. They don't have like proper
pieces of music. They've got little things. So,
you know, that's sunscreen. But it feels like
it leans super heavily into Ray's theme, which,
you know, again, it's the best piece of original
music from the sequel trilogy. So I understand
that. And in that sense, it was more interesting
than just sort of like... I don't know, placeholder
music. It was uninspired. I think for me, I like...
Okay, so we're talking about Last Jedi now. Like
I said, I like the Fun with Finn and Rose track.
Is that the one? Is that the casino theme? I
think so. The casino theme was fun because it
was wacky casino theme music. Yeah. Again, this
is my nostalgia coming through, but track 12,
the cave off of Last Jedi, the cave scene, I'm
like, okay, this is original, but it also gives
me feelings of, you know... It was very reminiscent
of the scene from Empire. Yeah, from Empire.
I almost made the same mistake. I almost said
Return of the Jedi too. Return of the Jedi, yeah.
I like Peace and Purpose, which is the final.
It's the final right before the finale. I like
that off of Last Jedi. Overall, like I said,
Last Jedi is middle of the road for me, but I
very much enjoyed revisiting the music outside
of the movie. And the funny thing is, even though
we already did the movie episodes and we talked
about the movies already, it's funny with me
in soundtracks, folks, because literally, as
I'm listening to all three of these scores, I
can play the movie in my when I hear the music
tones of whichever what like, you know The beginning
of this with actual island or whatever. It's
supposed to be called Yeah, yeah like that track.
Okay. I know where that's from. I know what that's
right in revisiting Snoke Okay, the supremacy
and then we get all the other stuff We get the
old fan old friends track which is track six
and then the rebellion is reborn track seven
and I can I can literally just listen to the
music and I can just Know where I am in the movie
without having to watch the movie That's why
I say this every episode that we do music I say
that's why I like taking the music out of the
thing it's in So I can hear the music clearly
because in my mind I can see What I'm not actually
seeing because we're not actually watching the
content if that makes any sense It does make
sense, but that's you know weirdly this time
around I There were large tracks of music that
I'm like I have no idea what this goes to Because
like I said, it was very generic. It was like
I I mean, yeah, there was one bit We're like,
oh, that's that's obviously the casino music
because it's so right there were there were other
pieces that were like from memorable moments
You know, like I said, I heard Yoda's theme and
I'm like, okay, that's when the thing gets burned
down You know, I always like my main thing I
guess what these is the the final credit music
Because it's kind of like a summation of the
whole soundtrack, right? Right. And I remember
for Rise of Skywalker, which I was just sort
of saying was the best one, there's this whole
section. I'm like, I have no idea where this
music is from in the movie. It's just like, I
don't know. I did not have. Well, I don't normally
have that experience with soundtracks. I mean,
sometimes sometimes I kind of relive parts of
the movie, but sometimes a lot of it's just I
kind of play the music in my head and tell my
own stories in my head. Um, which is how I know
it's a good piece of music because it's got me
engaged All right like but like it's just I I
did not other there were the particularly force
awakens Like I said, there are two tracks right
at the beginning early on that are kind of action
stuff And I'm like, I have no idea What's going
when this is in the movie? It's just there's
a lot of running around like generic running
around music I mean, I know there was one that
I finally figured out and I don't think it was
one of those two actually where I figured out
it was on Jakku, because then it has the classic
Star Wars sting, and I'm like, that's when the
Falcon gets revealed. Yeah, that's track seven,
the Falcon. Yeah, okay, so like, okay, track
seven, but this is like track three or four.
Yeah. Like, I'm just like, I... Oh, probably
I can fly anything right before Rey's sting.
Yeah. Well, there's another one, there's two
of them that are just like right next to each
other, I thought. And I will say I listen to
these on YouTube, on like a... We call it a list
playlist. Yeah, sorry my brain So like it would
it would automatically go from one to the other
usually The same ad for the stupid card game
about cryptic creatures Which drove me crazy?
Um, I had I had to do it when I was walking Yeah,
because if I did it anywhere else Anytime else
and I tried I would get bored and I would stop
listening and I would start doing something else
So I had to do it when I literally could not
escape. I was in the park, and I had headphones
on, and there was nothing else to switch to.
I mean, there was other things to switch to,
but it was a lot easier than just, I'll play
my video game. I'll type some stuff up for this
thing I'm working on. I'll do this. I'll do that.
I'll read the book. We're working on a thing
with books. So I tried listening to it reading
the book, and I was like, I just want to focus
on the book. I listened to it playing my video
game. It did not hold me the way that even the
prequel themes, like we said during the prequel
episode, the one truly undisputable good thing
that came out of the whole prequel situation
were the soundtracks. I feel like this time that's
not even true. Because of those, I have never
actually bought Indiana Jones' Dial of Destiny
soundtrack. Well, yeah, I haven't because like
I'm like, okay, these have been these have been
underwhelming But it is John Williams last soundtrack.
Maybe so it's like maybe you should although
like Crystal Skull wasn't that great. Yeah I
don't know. I I kind of yeah, I mean like like
we said when we did our Indiana Jones episodes
We stop at last crusade that that's the point
last crusade. That's the end Right off into the
freaking sunset. It's perfect. That's right.
He would come back to that Oops. Well, there's
idiots in Hollywood isn't there they're talking
about doing another one. Oh god, no Help me Lauren
help me. But yeah, I mean it's just one of those
things where as I was listening to all three
and again I would over the last three weeks I
would take Let's see what's our in 17 minutes
for force awakens 77 minutes for last Jedi and
an hour and six so last Jedi was the Shortest
one hour and 16 for rises or yeah rises Skywalker
So let's just say three and a half four hours
so four hours total I would listen to all three
once or twice a day. And then I would focus on
like Force Awakens one day, Last Jedi the next
day, and then Rise of Skywalker the next day.
So I have them in my head. Right before we started
recording the show, I was listening to Rise of
Skywalker again, because it was the one out of
the three that I had listened to the least, but
it's the one that I liked the most. Yeah, I think
by the time that I actually came out and actually
got that one I had been disappointed by the other
two I'm not even sure mine is unwrapped Like
I don't think I ever tried to listen to it because
I just gotten so bored with the other two, right?
so, you know for this this thing I I You know
sat down and listen to it and I was like, oh,
it's okay Again, we're not disparaging Mr. Williams.
It is good music. It's just not, I mean, repeatable
music. It's not something we're going to listen
to. We will go to the original trilogy or even
the prequel trilogy before we go to these three.
Oh, absolutely. First of all, you're making that
sound like the prequel trilogy is like a... No,
no, no. Let me be clear. Even if they are bad,
which I'm not saying they are. This guy, I think
he's allowed a bad sound. This guy created Jaws,
Star Wars, Close Encounters, E .T., Jurassic
Park, the Harry Potter theme. These are the big
ones. You talk about all the little ones that
he did, and he did a bunch of TV shows that are
all lost in space. They're all memorable. This
guy's a genius. Even if I thought these soundtracks
were garbage, I think we're allowed to say that
this guy did one bad thing. First of all, a random
podcast is not going to diminish John Williams'
legacy. Like I said with the R .A .M. song, he's
done so much, maybe he just did enough. I mean,
maybe there's only so much in you so much genius
so much greatness and and first of all and as
I said They're not bad soundtracks if this were
not Star Wars. Yes These would be fine. Yes,
like these would be fine soundtracks. Like they're
they're not bad. They're just not magical and
I think for start I I I was thinking about this
today. I think some of it is because Star Wars
was kind of a unique franchise, in that it was,
you know, because George did the deal with Fox,
right, because he owned it. Whereas you think
about every other franchise, like somebody else
owned like, you know, like, Roddenberry had to
compromise with whoever, you know, Paramount
and Desilu. And he never quite, you know, like,
like motion picture and the first season of Next
Gen, like the closest to his pure vision of Star
Trek, and nobody likes those. But he was always,
you know, all these other franchises are usually
owned by companies. which is why you get the
sequels that aren't as good and blah blah blah
and their products. Whereas George, whether you
like the prequels or not, they are his artistic
vision to a degree. I think he did temper them
based on fan reaction. But I mean, and then once
Disney took over, they became another franchise,
which is another thing I knock Kathleen Kennedy
for. I don't, and you know, to be fair, Who on
earth I think there are very few people who would
treat Star Wars the way that George Lucas which
it was his baby Yeah, I sold his baby to white
slavers. That's a quote of his not mine Wow.
Oh, yeah but uh, you know, I mean on the one
hand I think yeah, you know No, no one's going
to treat Star Wars the way that Lucas would treat
Star Wars on the other hand I mean it is annoying
because I do think there's a whole generation
that grew up with it and loved it And I think
you could have found people that like... I don't
know. I don't know. Because I think Abrams...
I don't think Abrams was a bad call for directing
that first film. I think it was a bad call for
writing the first film. But like, just... I think
the soundtrack's kind of reinforced every issue
I had with the sequel trilogy. Like I said earlier,
it's a sequel trilogy. It's not... It's not continuing
the story. It's a sequel Yep, it's diehard Three
is jaws for it's rocky has to fight another guy
to regain the blah blah blah. It's it's another
it's the same story told over get like you get
to the end of by the Skywalker camera if I said
this in the rise of Skywalker review and You
are you have come full circle. Mm -hmm. The evil
Empire is destroyed like it was at the return
of Jedi Palpatine's dead, like you're another
Jedi. There's a young Jedi who's going to rebuild
the blah, blah, blah. You're literally back where
you started from. Yep. Has been no progress.
Except that your favorite characters are all
dead now. Yeah, and I think just the uninspiredness
of the... It comes through in the soundtracks
and then it just doesn't... Even the music isn't
like, you know, if you don't like the prequels
They look cheesy and the dialogues bad and the
story's kind of clunky. The music was great Absolutely.
It's like this isn't that great but and the music
is okay and again like like look man I'm not
knocking John Williams The guy has done more
than I was in my life. He's a genius. I'm just
saying these maybe maybe The movie inspired,
and I imagine it must, the movie inspires a soundtrack.
And these are kind of the soundtracks those movies
inspired. I don't know if I'm making sense. No,
you're making sense, absolutely. I think for
me, if I was gonna take a piece of music, one
track from each of these scores, I would take,
from Force Awakens, I would take Scherzo for
X -Wings, because, X -Wings, hello. Yeah, we've
talked about that. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I know, I'm obsessed, right? I'm not obsessed,
I just, I feel, it's, it's just, it's X -Wings
again. It's been 40 years. Like, come up with
something new and cool. No, X -Wings, okay. I
would take Peace and Purpose from Last Jedi,
the last track before the finale, and then Rise
of Skywalker, man, ugh. It's I Sorry not sorry,
it's the old Death Star because as soon as I
heard that I was like, hey, it's the old Death
Star Hey, it's the worst part of that entire
movie The most most insulting to the audience
you can get Okay. Yes, that's metal and seawater
that that mix is fine. That's a big chunk of
metal in an ocean that'll last forever Why would
you want to remember that sequence? It's the
music. But it's the music from Return of the
Jedi. I like that music in Return of the Jedi
when the Death Star is like appropriately appropriate
and no one's telling me that you can make a knife
with a little fold -out thing that points. There's
a little pointy thing to the exact room you want
40 years after it's been sitting in an ocean
after falling from orbit. Just the stupidest
thing in the entire movie, and that movie has
a lot of stupid things. Why do I want to remember
that? I don't know. I'm sorry. I mean, I don't
know what you think about me, but like... No,
no, no, I know. It reminds me of the movie as
like, yeah, that's a bad thing in that turn of
events. No, it reminds me of the Death Star itself,
not necessarily the movie, like, not the... Again,
like, I've got Return of the Jedi for that. Yeah.
I've got that soundtrack. All right, so I'm assuming
we're not recommending any of these to people,
correct? Unless you're a super fan. By the way,
the only one that I remember by name is Ray's
theme, which I will pick as my favorite out of
the bunch. I mean, I have a lot of weirdly...
So I think I've mentioned this before, I got
a dog around that time that those movies came
out. And she was a little basset hound and she
was lemon colored. And she kind of looked like
Ray's outfit from the first movie, like that
color, that tan, the yellowish tan. And if you
listen to Ray's theme, and you imagine a little
basset hound toddling around, so her name was
Ray, and so I've always kind of associated, to
me, I've associated that theme with my dog, Ray.
And she passed away. She had a very terrible,
tragic accident. So it was actually kind of hard
to listen to that theme, walking in the park
without my dog at my side. It was sad, but that's
the theme. It is a piece of music that I remember
the most. I have other non -Star Wars attachments
to it. So yeah, that would be my main thing.
What I recommend, if you're a fan and a collector,
I mean, I'm being hard on these things, but I've
got them on CD, and I've got Rise of Skywalker
on vinyl on the wall. And then Target did a special
edition of Last Jedi, like on clear vinyl with
a poured painted on it. Oh, of course you have
that. I have, well, yeah, I've got the Last Jedi
poster. And so it's in the frame with the Last
Jedi poster. Nice. Very cool, very cool. It's
like, yeah, I'm not really recommending them,
but I've got like two copies of each. But yeah,
I'm recommending as far as people listen to them,
as far as people go back to them kind of thing.
Just because you have the... I have a vinyl of
Paul & Oates' 1984 album, Big Bam Boom. Yes,
I would recommend that album because it's awesome,
but I still have the vinyl even though I don't
have a thing to play it on because I like the
vinyl. That's just the way collecting is. You
know this. You've got a whole basement full of
it. I mean, I got The Last Jedi because it was
like, hey, they're still doing vinyl albums.
I was like, hey, I don't know. I got The Rise
of Skywalker because I was like, hey, a vinyl
copy of that? And I got the other one because
it was a board. Yeah. Vinyl is still very big.
I am aware of that. But yeah, it's hard to recommend.
Because it's like, if you're a fan of John Williams
music, there are better pieces of music. Like
most of his collection is genius. And if you're
not a fan of John Williams music, then no. I
mean, why would you bother? Well, no, obviously,
yeah. Yeah. It's a weird one. It's a hard one
to talk about recommendations. I think if you're
a fan boy, you're going to probably buy the albums
anyway. I did. So I think that was kind of my
point. Like I bought them. So it's the final
disappointment from Disney Lucasfilm. Is it,
though? I mean, I got Andor season two. Like,
I have so much invested in that emotionally.
You have no idea. I didn't share this with you
the other day. I saw somebody post. I forget
where. It was either on Facebook or Instagram.
Somebody post. I think it was from IG. I'm going
to have to go search for this after the show
because I want to know if it was actually real
or somebody something just somebody said Andor
season two is going to take four and a half years.
To release and I'm like, oh god. No, don't do
that No, I know I Think it's coming out like
early next year. Yeah, I think that's what it
is, too I I think they're just screwing around.
All right zero to five with half points. What
are you gonna give force awakens? 2 .5 Same.
Last Jedi. 2 .5? Really? I'll give it a 3 .5.
Looking back, I don't remember anything from
it. Alright, what about Rise of Skywalker? 3.
Yeah, I'll give it a 4. I'll give it a 3 .5.
I'll move it up because I did like that it felt
more original than the other two. I felt a little
more inspired than the other two. Yes, which
is ironic because that film was the biggest mess
of the bunch. So Yeah, it kind of is but it kind
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there will be news Not for now. I was I was just
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you know, we've gone Okay, we didn't really like
the sequels and sequel soundtracks, but hey the
next up next week we're going to be recording
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I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you, Mike.
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