Star Wars Prequel Trilogy Music Scores

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And it is daily December here inside Studio 2009,

folks, on the GeekCast Radio Network, because

you're going to get, I think it's 20 days or

21 days. I'd have to look at the schedule again,

and I'm not doing that at this moment, but essentially,

21 days of studio 2009 various topics a lot of

Star Wars stuff and in this one We're going back

to the prequels, but we are just talking about

the music of the prequels done by the the Incomparable.

Thank you John Williams along with the London

Symphony Orchestra now I remember when we started

this podcast. This is before you came. I don't

because you did it with your side piece. You're

here. Yeah. Well, you know, you're not that far

off. You said it, not me. You know, like weirdly

enough, even though people don't like Phantom

Menace, I would have liked to have talked about

Phantom Menace. I think there's a lot to talk

about as a Star Wars fan. But no, we couldn't

go back and redo stuff, God forbid. Well, that's

part of the reason why we can do it now, because

hello? We can put the music now! Well, yeah,

but we can also still... No! Fine. You'd be violating

podcast law. Right. There is no... Wow. You fool.

You naive fool! You fool! That's right. Foolish

fool. Foolish fool so when the podcast started

June 20th, 2020 We I had like I because we've

done Star Wars stuff on GCR and in the past and

years and years and years ago We did a prequels

episode. We did an original trilogy episode at

the time because back in those days in 2009 2010

2011 there was no sequel trilogy yet because

Disney had not bought them yet the salad days.

Uh -huh, yes. And at one point, I think, is it

the original trilogy episode or the pre-, it

might be both of them. Those episodes are six

and a half hours long. Each. So... We've done

a lot of Star Wars stuff and I wanted to go back

when starting this new podcast for studio 2009

when we when Steve and I started it in 2020 and

I wanted to do a bunch of different things and

one of the things I wanted to do was I wanted

a place to talk about more music not just soundtracks

but albums and musicians and artists and singers

and songwriters and All that stuff But specifically

to Star Wars and to other film animation television

things also soundtracks because I am a soundtrack

whore. I am too. I mean, I had a literally I

sent you a picture of my prequel soundtracks,

but I had to dig. I have a specific box. This

is John Williams. I had to dig him out of that

because it's packed so tight. How much John Williams

stuff do you have in that? Oh, that's a little

podcast. It's pretty basic, Becky. I mean, there's

like There's a couple of compilations. There's

one that he did that they did for one of his

birthdays. That's a good one There's there's

one that's just like like a huge block of multi

cds You know, i've got uh All the star wars like

dude In this like I have I I counted this today.

I have five copies of the empire strikes back

soundtrack The vinyl I'm being used both both

sides are being used as wall art but like Wow,

then I've got like the CD for the the basic release

the what they call the Oh God, my brain is is

your orchestral cut and then the the special

editions Hmm, very cool So what sparked me to

want to do this was, even though all of the albums

now on Spotify, say the year that the actual

album came out, like, obviously I'm specifically

looking at Attack of the Clones. We're not there

yet, but I'm only looking at that for reference

because that's the one I have pulled up. 2002,

Richard... Wow, I almost said Return of the Sith.

Holy crap. Revenge of the Sith 2005. Now, that's

not specifically when these albums came. It's

when they came out originally. But the reason

why I'm saying all of this, folks, is to say

this. Back in 2020, when we launched this podcast,

2020 or 2021, on Spotify, because I've been using

Spotify since then or longer, I noticed that

at the top of the L, it was all new album art.

And it just says Star Wars and then the title.

Phantom Menace is silver. Attack of the Clones

is goldish, orangish, yellow, like the banner,

like where it says Attack of the Clones in white

text. The color behind it is like an orangish

thing. And then Revenge of the Sith is purple,

which I was like, ooh, purple. But at the top

of this, it says remastered. And I was like,

ooh, yay, full soundtracks on digital. That are

remastered that we can then talk about on the

podcast now that was Four and a half five years

ago at this point, but we are finally here and

I've also I will have in the episode post folks

for those of you that don't subscribe to Spotify

I have most of the Music on YouTube somebody

put a playlist together, so I'll put a playlist

in for each of those Did you did you listen to

them? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I was the sound would cut

out every now and then like just real quick Yep.

Yeah, that was really annoying because especially

now that that YouTube their new way of handling

ads is that they kind of fade out Like like a

TV like a TV commercial. Yeah So I kept that

I kept expecting an ad to start and like every

fourth time it was an ad I was like, yeah, I

did get to listen to a little bit of it before

the barrage of texts came in I was telling Mike

before we started, I wanted to listen to the

YouTube ones, but it was like a bat signal for

everyone to get attention from me. I was like,

jeez. So I'm going mostly on memory and the ones

that they released for mass consumption, which

are cut down, to be fair. Yeah, they are. But

also, to be honest, I don't think you need every

little musical cue. I mean, they're more orchestrated

for listening to as opposed to helping the movie.

You know what I mean? They're more for enjoying

as their own thing rather than being a part of

something else, being support. So I guess I was

wrong. It was 2018? Okay, anyway, we'll get to

this. But yeah, so here's the thing. When I saw

the... the remasters on Spotify. It didn't matter

to me at the time how much was there. Now I've

been working with a soundtrack company since

2010 -2011 called La La Land Records and they

do all kinds of vinyl and CDs and they do all

kinds of stuff with soundtracks because they're

a soundtrack company and I've been working with

them for years and years and years and I've always

wanted something. Now they have a lot they have

all the they just well This year, I'll say, because

you folks will be hearing this in December, even

though we're recording it in October. Hocktober!

Oh, Lord. That's an old meme, too. Like, geez.

Okay, Grandpa. That's right. Get off my lawn!

That's right. But... Well, LLN Records just released

a, I think... all seven volumes of the seven

or 14 volumes or whatever it is of the 1701 star

trek music and i was like oh my god you guys

so no i yeah absolutely and for me when i saw

the the digital remasters show up in spotify

a couple years ago i was like oh yay and up until

two weeks ago when i was planning for this episode

the next episode and the episode that we'll have

at some point after that with the sequel stuff

Have been listening to all three of these scores

for the last two and a half weeks. I have this

music cooked into my brain It's like it's like

that old commercial. This is your brain. This

is your brain on drugs. Any questions? This is

Mike's brain. This is Mike's brain on Star Wars

music any questions And the one thing out of

we're gonna start with Phantom Menace here in

a minute, but the one thing I will say The most

overrated prequel trilogy piece of music is Duel

of the Fates. Really? Yep. I don't dislike it,

but anytime anyone mentions the prequels, the

first thing any Star Wars fan I've known for

years now goes to, with maybe the exception of

yourself, because this is the first time we've

talked about it together, they will go to Duel

of the Fates. And yes, it is an excellent piece

of music. Yes, that is an excellent scene. Well,

you know, it also, like, I don't know if you

remember, because you were younger at the time,

it was the, it had a music video. Like, I watched

the debut of the video on MTV back in the day.

And I, I, I, it is, I think it is different and

it, you know, it was, It is distinctive from

the original trilogy music to the most part.

Oh, absolutely You know, I was gonna say there's

a chorus in it, but there is a little bit of

a chorus to the Emperor's theme Yeah, I noticed

listening to the YouTube stuff was a lot more

prevalent in Phantom Menace than I remember.

Yeah Because the city isn't the same guy. Yeah,

but uh Yeah, I think I think it's the one that

everybody remembers because it was it was pushed

so hard as opposed to the other ones and it is

interesting one of the things i wanted to point

out about the prequels is that each one did have

like a signature song oh yes where where i see

original trilogy had memorable bits but they

were all like i said earlier part of the movie

the aspirate chase was part of the movie and

these were like individual themes almost for

the movie even though even though they're in

the movie like they're there you know there isn't

anything like dual of fates Across the stars

or battle of the heroes in the original trilogy,

you know a piece of music kind of by itself Well,

I mean there is I mean technically but not like

but not but not as like a Piece of music by I

don't my problem is I really don't like no music

terms So I'm having a little bit of a hard time

explaining this it's like you listen to the Empire

Strikes Back soundtrack and it's like the asteroid

chase and it's the asteroid chase and it may

be or you know, You can you can do it differently

You know, the Imperial March. It's the Imperial

March. You can do it differently, but that's

a scene in the movie. Right, but the Imperial

March as that music, that piece of music. Yeah,

I don't know. It just it felt but it also described

a scene. I don't know. It just for me, it felt

different that you had these three pieces of

music that were like unique to each movie and

kind of their own thing that were also woven

into. I don't know. It felt differently to me.

Right. OK. So we got Duel of the Fates, we got

Across the Stars, which, surprisingly, I absolutely,

the music I like, I hate that scene. You know,

I like that scene. Depends on which scene you're

talking about, because there's two moments. There's

when they're in the fields, and that's terrible.

But there's that moment, and even though by itself,

not by itself, but in context, it doesn't work.

when she looks at Anakin and says, I truly deeply

love you and the doors open and they go into

the arena to be murdered and the music blares.

Yeah. No, no, no. I'm talking about, I'm talking

about their pic. I'm talking about their picnic.

Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. But that,

but that moment that I'm talking about by itself,

like with no context is amazing. Then you go,

well, the romance really doesn't work. They didn't

earn it. Blah, blah, blah. But just itself with

the... Because that's the thing. The music...

I think we said this before we started recording.

The prequels are worth it for the music. The

music carries these movies. Yes, it does. So

we got Duel of the Fates for part one. We got

Across the Stars for part two. What is part three's

quintessential... Battle of the Heroes. Battle

of the Heroes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah, I agree with that. I would say, and we're

gonna have to look at this next time, but the

one that I can think of off the top of my head

outside of the obvious main title theme song

for Star Wars is Imperial March. That's the one

that I always think of when I think of the original

trilogy. So Phantom Menace, it has... Oh my god.

Well, it's a good thing we aren't talking about

this now because 25 years ago is when that movie

was released this year and Yeah, so it's got

four Five five different releases over the years

May 4th 99 was just the original motion picture

soundtrack it had the ultimate edition released

November 14th of 2000 now that is the the playlist

that will be in the episode post folks from YouTube

because that's what I found because Dave was

like, well, how are we going to do the music?

I said, I'll do my best to find it on YouTube

for you. So that's the playlist I had found.

And then in 2014, they did the limited edition

vinyl, which I assume is just the 17 tracks again,

I'm assuming. And then there was the Ultimate

Soundtrack Collection in 2016 and then the original

Motion Picture Soundtrack Remastered CD Digital

from 2018. It was 2018. It was two years before

we started this podcast. So I've had this thought

in my head since 2018 to do this episode with

the prequels and then we're going to do the originals

and then we're going to do the sequels because,

you know, one to nine. I feel bad because I really

do have to listen to the sequel ones like I I've

given them each a chance and I've never really

stuck with them whereas the the prequel and original

trilogy man, I I have two copies of attack of

the or I have two copies of revenge of the Sith

one for my house and one for my car like that's

how Yeah, yeah hardcore. I am with this stuff.

Yeah Cuz I was my car cuz I'm an old man. Yeah,

I remember when Force Awakens came out and it

was right before it, like it was maybe, I don't

know. They were still in, it wasn't when it came

out, but it was like when they were still in

production. Usually when they announced the cast

and they announced the director or the writer

or the whatever, they usually announce who the

composer is gonna be. And we all thought, no

brainer, John Williams, but they could have gone

and. any direction luckily oh i think even even

Kathleen Kennedy wasn't that crazy she crazy

but she ain't that crazy but you're right now

i have listen i haven't listened to them as much

as the others but i remember when those released

i was like because i will gobble it up if the

thing with me folks is that and i've said this

before on this podcast and another podcast so

i guess this is more for dave than anybody else

but i can watch a movie and if the music is good

in the movie and there's like a specific thematic

point of the music to like if there's a specific

sound or a specific instrumental section or again

We'll talk about this next episode or whenever

we're gonna do the original so I gotta look at

the schedule, whatever. When we get to Empire,

Imperial March, like something like that. There

has to be a specific thing that grabs my attention

that makes me then want to hear the music outside

of the movie. In that playlist for Phantom Menace,

the ultimate edition, the very last track, Is

Duel of the Fates, yes. It's Duel of the Fates,

but it's Duel of the Fates as it was, it's the

vocal version. It's the dialogue version. So

it's the version you would have seen and heard

in the movie. So I think that is super cool if

they added that for the ultimate edition thing,

but I like hearing the music outside of the movie

So because most the time it reminds like it makes

me remember the scenes without having to watch

the movie That's just how I am I guess I'm a

little different I Like when I listen to music

outside of the movie, it's less that I want to

recreate the movie more than I wanna recreate

the feelings, you know what I mean? I was thinking

about this today. For me, music is kind of like

the force, where the force is best when it's

less explained and more feelings. And Williams

is really great. I feel bad, because the ones

I really wanna talk about aren't from Star Wars,

but Williams, there are a couple pieces of Williams'

music that are amazing because they tell their

own story. There's a, I think it's called Into

the Cage or something from... It's from my John

Williams birthday celebration CD. And I don't

think it's actually, it's not specifically from

the movie. It just uses the music from the movie.

But it's called like Out to Sea, I think. And

it basically, it's from Jaws. And it's amazing,

because it starts out very light and very, da,

da, da, da, da, da, da, da. We're going on an

adventure. and then as it goes along it gets

a little more and it's like okay we're going

after a shark and people died and then it's like

and it's like you can feel the ratchets tightening

the entire song it starts out light and breezy

and tinkly and it ends on this apocalyptic note

because they have gotten in way the fuck over

their heads and they are doing it it's just amazing

it tells a story there's another one for the

his team for 1941 over 1941 is an amazing piece

of music because I imagine this parade like there's

a little town in California and it's right after

the Pearl Harbor and there's a parade it starts

out it's a parade and it's like this great military

parade and as it goes along it loses control

and it becomes a circus because it's I just I

like music that tells a story it makes you feel

emotions and and as opposed to like I remember

that scene you know it's like yeah I you know

There are a couple of pieces, like there's some

parts from Jurassic Park that make me remember

a specific scene, but the one Jurassic Park theme,

I love it because it starts out, you think you're

in a child's bedroom and then suddenly the image

fades and you're actually in a Jurassic swamp

and you see something in the shadows and you

realize it's a Brachiosaur and it's the biggest

thing you've ever seen and it's beautiful. It's

just majestic. Williams is a genius like I I'm

gonna be quiet now and let you talk to me. No,

no, no, I'll continue. Williams is a genius.

I've run my mouth full. I've talked about everything

but Star Wars music. No, no, no. I have a personal

thing. I do like, okay, so I have a question

for you. Yes. How do you feel about Anakin's

theme from Phantom Menace? I like it. And do

you know the secret? No. Anakin's theme is the

Imperial March. Oh, you're right. It is. It's

orchestrated slightly differently. Yep. And you

can tell at the very end that, da, da, da, da.

Yep. It's the Imperial March done as a hopeful

little sweet thing. Uh -huh. Oh, my God. It's

a genius. Yeah. Yeah. Because you kept saying

how much you love the Imperial March. I'm like,

does he know the thing? Does he know the secret?

No, I did not. I didn't even. And like I said,

I've been listening to this stuff for the past

two weeks and I didn't even put it together.

That's crazy. That's awesome though cuz you know,

it's genius and it's foreshadowing and it's foreshadowing

at its best cuz It's retro foreshadowing. Well,

yeah, but still The cool thing about listening

to the Phantom Menace Without it being in the

movie is like like you said it brings up memories

for you of what's going on and whatever the Sith

spacecraft in the droid battle. I had always

wanted to hear that track outside of the action,

because in that battle, you've got blasters and

stuff and this and that, and then the droids

are like, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, oh, no,

Roger, I went Roger, Roger, and Roger, Roger'd

myself. I don't talk smack about Roger R. Roger,

the hero of the Confederate states. Find that

Jedi. Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger,

Roger, Yep. So you could slash them and beat

them up and destroy them. Yep. Without feeling

bad about it. And then in Attack of the Clones,

it was bugs. So you could murder bugs, nobody

would really feel bad about it. But it was just...

I mean, your primary enemy forces should not

be comedy relief. I agree, but these are like...

Okay, I'm just gonna freaking say it. The battle

droids, the Roger Roger. Hey, you're not supposed

to be here. What's going on? Oh my god, blah,

blah, blah. All those little guys. They're essentially

goombas. They're essentially the first -line

fighters in Mario. They're not mid -level bosses.

They're not the boss before you get to the final

boss boss. They're the army. That was the point.

The droid army. And... They're unfortunately,

sadly, expendable, because there are so many

of them, and all as they all do is Roger Roger.

I mean, they do say other things as well, but,

like, I mean, I'd rather have a bunch of droids

slaughtered than a bunch of humans slaughtered.

Uh... Uh -oh, folks, I think we're gonna get...

No, no, no, I hear what you're saying, but it

just... It's not that I it's not that I want

to see people die horribly. It's that I Feel

like it was wimping out like it wasn't it was

a cheap You know like it to avoid the very sort

of squeamishness that you and I are feeling in

this conversation You know because because the

Jedi's principal weapon is a laser sword that

cuts through anything. Yeah, like they gave you

disposable enemies Yeah, and but but then you

don't really feel it. You don't you like, you

know Like compare that to saving private Ryan

We're like you feel every bullet impact, right?

You know every every every nobody's a piece of

meat like every every person was a person who

died horribly Right and it's like, you know It's

a little I mean Supposedly Phantom Menace is

the kitty one. It's the cute one with all its

galactic politics and intergalactic trade routes

and unions and No Well, I mean but but then it's

got Jar Jar stepping in poo poo Again, I didn't

get to talk about it. That's fine, dude. I know,

but I've been talking about it this whole episode.

You wait. You wait. What I'm saying is, I've

gone completely, like, we're talking about the

movie more than the music. I feel it was a little

bit of a cheat and it hurt the overall, you know,

if your enemy isn't a threat, you know, the Stormtrooper

armor was designed to look like skeletons. Right.

Be scary. The Imperial uniforms are based on

Nazi uniforms because Hitler went to Hugo Bass.

He wanted that stuff to look cool, and it did.

And it's now coolness associated with the ultimate

evil. And Lucas was like, I want a piece of that.

I want a piece of that. And then you've got the

goofy battle droids, which were supposed to look

like stormtrooper skeletons. We were like, Roger,

Roger, I sound silly. And they always sounded

like there was a big Beastie Boys hit at that

time. Intergalactic. Intergalactic. No. But they're

goofy. Like, how can you be invested in a fight

with goofy, second -rate enemies? So, again,

they're... I understand, like, yeah, that's better

than watching Blood Splash. Well, is it better

than watching Blood Splash all over the place?

First of all, the lightsabers would cauterize

the wounds, blah, blah, blah. But, like, I don't

know. I just, I felt a little... cheated there's

a lot about the prequels that felt a little cheaty

okay so remind me because it's been about four

four years or more when i talked about phantom

menace because i didn't watch that to prepare

for this because i kind of know it by heart sort

of but remind me so it was the droids the battle

droids and then the stone where did how did Who

was after the battle droids in the battling or

was it just the battle droids? What do you mean?

In the prequels, it was always battle droids.

There were the basic battle droids, which were

mostly in the Phantom Menace and the droidekas.

And then the super battle droids were in clones.

They were the gray ones with the armor. And then

by Revenge of the Sith, they had like... the

missile launching drones and the little spider

robots. They're always droids. But the Tecla

clones also had the, what do they call them,

the bugs. Yeah. So like, you know, it's like,

okay, so you slice up a bug, you smoosh a bug,

nobody cares. But there was never a humanoid

enemy for the, you know, for the, for the good

guys to fight. Right. It was just, yeah. Well,

it was just, it was just disposable enemies.

Yeah, it was just cheap disposable enemies, and

that's why they seem to think that the Phantom

Menace is the kid. Look, there are no kids wanting

to deal with politics. Kids should learn politics.

No, but Jar Jar Binks is clearly there to be

an amusing thing for children. Yep. I'm going

to stick my tongue right here. Yeah. Wifi catches

his tongue. There's a great documentary. that

I love. It came out before the Disney buyout

called The People versus George Lucas, I believe.

Yep. Yep. Have you seen it? Yep. The best moment

in that film is they go to a French guy and he's

like Jar Jar Binks. And it's like the joke is

they love Jerry Lewis. Yeah. The French love

Jerry Lewis. So it's like, oh, Jar Jar Binks,

he's magnifique. Yep. But no, I mean, yeah, I

see what you're saying, but they had to build

up. They had to build up to like getting the

clone army. Like the clone army didn't just happen

overnight. So the fact that we went from droids

and robots to humans in suits or mechanical,

I can never tell what they want to have the clones

be anymore. Dude it is It was originally clones

and truth in soups. Yep, and then no, but I mean

like originally like 70s I've got the I didn't

take it off the wall, but I've got the poster

magazine that says they were clones and Then

then somewhere along the way they became guys

in suits and and in fact We talked about this

when we talked about a force awakens When we

will talk about Force Awakens in the future.

I know, but what I'm saying is you're asking

a larger question, which is you can't figure

out who's in the suits. And I'm telling you,

it was always supposed to be clones. And then

somewhere along the way, somebody decided that

it wasn't. Because I swear to God, and I may

even have it on VHS, there's a cut of the special

editions where Tamara Morrison went back and

recorded all the Stormtrooper lines. In fact,

that's the joke in Attack of the Clones, which

I also didn't get to talk about. Remember, as

he's walking into Slave I, he bangs his head

against the thing? Yep. That's a reference to

in Star Wars when the Stormtrooper bangs his

head against the door, which was a mistake they

kept in the movie. Because he's like his dad.

He bangs his head into things. Yep. That's where

the dent came from, in the helmet. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, even though we already recorded it folks

force awakens will be episode 104 so two episodes

from now So about that music, huh? Mm -hmm. How

about that music? What's your favorite track

from Phantom Menace? I Mean, I hate to say it

but it's probably either dual of the fates or

Anakin's theme Okay, although I also like I like

all I like Augie's musical band. I mean, it's

a It's a specific thing. Again, it's goofy, but

I do kind of like that. It is the mega happy

ending music. Yeah, I like the mega happy ending

music. I like Amidala and the Naboo Palace. I

like that reveal. I like that setting of, oh,

she's the queen. She's this, she's that. And

then there's the droid invasion and the appearance

of Darth Maul, which is track 14 on the main

score. I like that. A lot of people like the

flag parade. That's a good one. Yep, that's a

good one. I love, so again, because of the, and

I'm not, it is what it is. It's how we do the

thing. The oh, what is it's passage the passage

through the planet core. Oh yes I like hearing

that music outside of the film because in the

film you've got Jar Jar being Jar Jar you've

got Obi -Wan asking Qui -Gon all these questions

you've got Qui -Gon giving him the answers and

this that the other thing everything else and

yeah What I did not notice on the Wikipedia which

I will commend them for is not only do they have

for the oh Wow for the whole thing for the special

edition whatever like disk one disk two Wow,

they literally break down everything Holy crap.

That is so cool Yeah, and this is the version.

Yeah, the the special edition ultimate edition

version This is the one where track 33 at the

very end is Duel of the Fates dialogue version

bonus track. Very, very awesome. Yeah. I just,

I loved listening to this again, because again,

like we said already so far in the podcast, we

love the music of the thing. You know what struck

me listening to this? It reminded me almost more

of like Indiana Jones music. than Star Wars,

because, like, Star Wars, like, Indiana Jones

had, like, you know, the Ark and the Grail, these

big mystic, holy things that had, like, big musical,

sweeping, epic, lush musical cues that, you know,

because they were holy and godlike, and there's

a lot of that sort of instrumental in Phantom

Manus, which really wasn't there a lot in the

original trilogy. Like, the original trilogy

was a little more like, it's magical and wondrous,

but it's not like, Big and sweeping and holy

and and and epic. Yeah, that makes sense Yeah,

no, it makes sense. Absolutely All right moving

on to attack of the clones Yeah, the Love that

whole scene like I know when we were all kids

in the late 80s and early 90s. We wanted to know

But how is Darth Vader his father? How is this?

How is that? Whatever. I did not need to see

Anakin and Padme in the meadow. But Across the

Stars is a really good piece of music. It really

is. The thing about Across the Stars is there's

a scene in Return of the Jedi where Luke asks

Leia, you know, tell me about our mother. And

she says she was beautiful and sad. That is across

the stars. Yeah sad. Yep like it is just gorgeous

like I I love that music that that is I Mean,

yeah, it's it's amazing. And yes, it's in service

of one of the worst scenes in cinematic history

But but but it's good music, but it's good music.

Yeah Uh, Zam, the assassin and the chase through

Coruscant. I have always wanted to hear the chase

through Coruscant music without them bickering,

without having to hear Obi -Wan and Anakin bickering

over Anakin's methods during the chase scene.

So listening to track three on this was like,

oh, this is so cool. Jango's escape. I like that

one. I see going back to, to, to relitigate something

that we had earlier. like if you look at the

at least for the the the basic soundtrack right

they've got they've got the meadow picnic and

they've got uh love pledge and the arena and

then love theme is a separate thing it's its

own track yeah pieces from the movie which is

you know the meadow picnic yeah and then they've

got but then they've got across the stars is

its own thing they don't even say it's across

the stars yeah I'm just saying, because I know

with Revenge of the Sith, Battle of the Heroes

and the actual sequence where they fight are

two different pieces of music, because they're

both on the same track. And they are slightly

different. Yeah, they are. What's your favorite

off of Attack of the Clones? I mean, I keep babbling

about it, but Across the Stars. It's gorgeous.

It's heartbreaking. It's sad. It's beautiful.

Like I said, I defend that one scene, even though

on paper it's a bad scene because it's unearned.

When she says, I love you, and the doors open

and they're being led to their doom, and the

music swells. Like Williams, I've said it before,

I'll say it again, Williams carries those movies.

Yeah, he does. I would not go back and not do

the prequels because I would not get these soundtracks.

Yeah. So yeah, that's a lucky Lucas Puts the

sniper rifle away for now Lord But yes the the

attack of the clone score is Is very well done

like all of his music is and it just it just

evokes So many different feelings and and stuff

and then revenge of the Sith. Oh man like this

just Mean it starts off like it starts off with

a banger to the whole battle for Coruscant Great

music and then goes pretty much goes into battle

the heroes. Mm -hmm. Yep and there's there's

some like sad bits like it's Good stuff like

it's very Like I was saying with that jaws thing

like it's battle the heroes specifically the

one for the movie. Yeah, that's What is it not

sure where it is but uh But but but the version

that plays in the movie builds to this apocalyptic

crescendo you have of just a heartbreak like

it's just everything collapses and it's it's

it I mean, it's it's You know music I said it

was like the force but it's also like sex It's

it's it builds and it builds and it builds and

it has a climax and this one has an amazing climax

and because it's everything is lost and you feel

that like, you know, in a way that Lucas's writing

kind of really stumbles with the music tells

you this is the moment everything is lost. Everything

is ruined. Everything is curdled and broken.

And then, of course, we go into, you know, that

shot of Tatooine and the classic music, because

there is one last new hope. It's just. You know,

it's witchcraft. It's the forest, it's sex, it's

witchcraft. Music is amazing. Yes, it is. I love

the way that Anakin's dark deeds and enter Lord

Vader. I love how those fade in or fade out at

the end of Anakin's dark deeds and the fade in

to enter Lord Vader. I love how that transition

goes. That is such a smooth, interesting transition.

Yeah. Birth of the Twins and Padme's Destiny.

That's a good one. Palpatine's teachings. The

interesting thing about listening to music outside

of whatever it's supposed to be in, folks, is

you hear things that you didn't really hear,

didn't really notice in the movie unless you

were really, like I forgot there was like this

chorus of echoes around all of that. In that

yeah throat singer stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I Had forgotten

like I had forgotten that that that we possibly

even heard that in the movie. So that's what

I love about listening Oh, no, it's very noticeable

the movie. Oh I gotta go back I guess and rewatch

that scene. I'll find a clip on YouTube somewhere,

but But yeah, no. Yeah, I like revenge. I like

all three soundtracks from all three movies,

but I think I like Revenge of the Sith the best.

It's the one. I mean, I mentioned I have two

copies, one for the car, one for home, and it's

the only one of the three that I do. So, yeah,

very cool. Very cool. All right. What else do

we want to do with this music? These are not

going to be super long episodes, folks. We're

just going to talk about it and then we're going

to, you know. OK, so out of the three. I would

probably, I mean, I don't think we can give all

three five stars. I don't think we can. I mean,

if you want to. In all seriousness, though, why

not? If you really think they're that good. I

know I've said once or twice that I would give

a lower rating to give another one a little more

room to grow. But I mean, would I give them each

five stars? I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, at least

four and a half for each of them. I think I think

the third one definitely gets five Yeah, the

third one definitely gets five. It's the other

two that I'm having issues with Like my thing

my problem is that across the stars out of all

this stuff is my favorite piece of music But

like the actual soundtrack for the second one,

I think probably is the the least impressive

Yeah So Yeah, but still I still give it four

and a half stars. I mean is John Williams I think

maybe a little the phrase past his prime Has

no connotations. It has different connotations

than what I want to meet to mean right hit his

prime in the 80s and early 90s and this was him

sort of that just just on the other side of whatever

peak It's amazing. It's fantastic. It's very

lush. It's it's wonderful. But I like, you know,

I mean, it's like I think peak Williams was like

Jurassic Park. Couple other things like from

the you know, I'm just like, I'm not like I know

you're saying still a work of genius. It's still

fantastic. Yeah, it does feel a little like like

like everything in the prequels. It does feel

like it doesn't really fit with the original

trilogy, which is a you know, which is always

like a little bit of a problem. It feels like

it's his own like, like, you know, those movies

look different than the original trilogy. They

do sound different than the original trilogy.

The soundtracks are much lusher than the original

trilogy. And I don't know that that's necessarily

a knock. It's just, it just is. Yeah, I love

them. I'm not giving these things up anytime

soon. I mean, like I have the original. I turned

my head slightly to the left and I can see the

original trilogy soundtracks in vinyl on my wall.

Yes, yes he can. What I did like about Phantom

was the piece of music that when they go through,

not the Naboo Palace, when they're sneaking into

the palace, that scene of when they're sneaking

into the palace, that piece of music, I like

that. I like that a lot. But yeah, no. Obviously

Revenge of the Sith gets 5. I would probably

give Attack of the Clones... I'd probably give

that a 4. And then... I guess I can set aside

my... disdain for the ovary. And it's not because

it's the soundtrack, it's because of the internet

and the ovary use of Duel of the Fates, but...

Yeah, I can probably give Duel of the Fates a

4. If anything else, I'd give it a 3 .5, and

that's not a bad grade out of 5. So... Yeah,

I think I'm going to go with the 4 .5 for the

first two and then a five for the third one.

Very cool. Very cool. All right, folks. Well,

this is a Star Wars quickie. Sorry. No, no. These

are never meant to be super long. I would recommend

these soundtracks to anybody. Anybody is. It's

like a very broad term. If you're looking for

a good piece of music, if you like this sort

of thing, I absolutely would recommend it. Like

a four -year -old who wants to pick his nose?

I don't know. Like a 90 -year -old guy who just

likes swing music? Maybe not. Because I think

my thing is, one of my childhood tragedies is

that my parents do not necessarily share my enthusiasm

for movie soundtracks. Okay, so like I would

get a new new soundtrack and I'd want to like

listen to it and of course, you know back in

the day we didn't have like a You know sound

system in everybody's room. Yep So I would sort

of like force them to hear it and they would

get tired of it and annoyed and so so for me

It's like to say to recommend it to anyone. I

mean If you're into that kind of music, yeah,

absolutely I mean, yeah, I would recommend it,

but just to anyone. I don't know. I get a little

twitchy. Maybe I'm overthinking it. I apologize.

No, no, no. Look, I have never nor will I ever

criticize anyone for having whatever opinion

they want to have. That's fine. Your opinion

is your opinion. That's the way you feel. That's

the way you feel. I think what I mean when I

say I would recommend this to anyone is that

anyone who wants a experience, who has seen the

films, obviously, but wants an experience outside

of them. Because I had a different experience

listening to over the last two and a half weeks,

Phantom, Attack, and Revenge, than I did watching

the films themselves and having the music be

with, like, I had, like, every time I heard various

cues in Phantom Menace, I'm like, ooh, I remember

that scene, ooh, I remember that scene. It made

me think of that those scenes differently because

I'm only hearing the music. I'm not hearing The

specifically attack of the clones. Yes, that

is one of the worst scenes ever But that theme

is one of the best themes of these three soundtracks

the Yeah Any other final thoughts before I throw

it to an ad break sir Nah, I think I'm good.

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around here. Any final thoughts about the prequel

trilogy music or the prequel trilogy overall,

Mr. Graper, sir? You know, it's weird. It's just

a weird thing where, like, it's generally considered,

like, the prequels as a whole are considered

a disappointment. But a lot of really amazing

stuff came out of them. So just, you know, life

is weird. And, you know, I know there's, like,

been this big move to re - examine the prequels

because of the sequel trilogy being a disappointment

just I Will never be sad that I got this music

song Absolutely, and I feel the same way I don't

necessarily feel the same way about the sequel

trilogy affecting the like I think people are

going back and rediscovering the prequel trilogy

because it's been 25 years since that started

Phantom Menace I was in theaters that that day

and buddy mine and I went and saw the Phantom

Menace in theaters. It was the only one of the

prequel trilogies that I saw in theaters, because

Attack of the Clones, I don't remember what I

was doing around that time in 2002 and then 2005.

Yarr. All I gotta say is Yarr, because somebody

Yarr'd that for me. No, no, not Lieutenant Yarr.

or whatever her rank is. Sorry if I got it wrong,

folks. But no, somebody, it dropped off the back

of a pirate ship, folks, before I could even

try to go to see it in theaters. And it was a

really, really bad copy, but I still enjoyed

watching it at the time. But yeah, no, that's

the thing about people. There was a couple years

ago, a number of years ago now, there were people

doing these, oh my god, I've never, there was

somebody that, watch Jim and the Holograms for

the first time. There's a lot of that on YouTube.

Yeah, absolutely. Like, oh my god, I've watched

this for the... It's Rediscovery, or it's Discovery

for the first time. And I think that's cool.

And I think listening to these scores, specifically

the prequel trilogy scores over the last two

and a half weeks for me, is like... Damn. Like,

I knew, and I know Williams is a... You know,

Masterful Maestro and all that, and the London

Symphony Orchestra is amazing, but I forgot how

good Star Wars music of the prequels really was.

See, it's funny for me because I was also a big

fan, surprise, of a video game called Star Wars

Galaxies, which obviously utilized the music.

So it was sort of funny because certain musical

cues would be used in different contexts In the

movies, right, you know, so like I don't know.

It's weird. It's like and then you listen to

music and then you watch the movie again You're

like, oh, hey, there's the you know, that's that

theme. That's that theme from when you're driving

your bike down Kashyyyk, you know, it's It's

it, you know for me Star Wars has always been

more than just the movies and bigger than that.

Yeah, so Yeah, I like the music. He's good. Me

too. Makes happy. That's right. Except I don't

know if I want to tell the story or not, but

let's just say that when I'm with a friend, she

likes to put on music soundtracks for me, basically,

because she knows I love movies. And she likes

them too. But let's just say there are times

when you don't want Across the Stars to come

on. Yeah, no. Because then it becomes awkward

and I was like, yeah, please change the music

This is weird. Yep. This is weird. I don't like

this Yeah, unless we're gonna go on a picnic

somewhere in an awkward picnic and yeah, I'm

not jumping on no space cows. So I forgot about

that. We got about the giant. It looks more like

a flea than a cow. Yeah, I don't know what the

hell Lucas was thinking Yeah, I will bring up

a that has happened once before with another

piece of music from from Star Wars But we'll

get to that when we get to that and that has

a lot much much sadder connotation. Oh I may

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