Podcast Approach with Jesse W. Jackson on Starting Your Podcast

Hey there, this is BZ Collins, and you are listening

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welcome into our studio. You are now Inside Studio

2009, only on the GeekCast Radio Network. I'm

of course TF2 and Mike. And for our latest podcast

approach today, we welcome Jesse W. Jackson,

who started set listing Bruce on September 8th,

2015. Is that correct? Yes it is okay good spotify

was right yay and then he and sylvan groth began

a john hyatt from a to z podcast on october thirteenth

twenty twenty two is that correct that seems

correct too. Okay, which is perfectly good podcast.

We're gonna take Jesse through how he listens

to podcasts and how he got his podcast empire

started and we will explain to Sylvan why we

as podcasters are obsessed with podcasting. Hi

Jesse, how are you? I am fine. Mike, how are

you? I'm okay. I need ice cream, but other than

that, I'm alright. Ice cream always makes everything

better. That's right. That's right. That's right.

So yeah, folks, another podcast approach at the

end of the year. I am doing something so insane.

It's on levels of Jesse Jackson podcasting and

he's been podcasting a lot less longer than I

have. So you folks are probably no. Currently,

we're this will probably be at the end of October.

We are taking November off here in South Syria

2009 because We are going to do 31 days of podcasts

in December, from episode 100 to 131. And before

we get too far and get Jesse's origin story and

everything else, I just, I'm insane, folks. And

episode 100, I'll spoil it now, because I already

have it scheduled to be recorded. Will be podcast

approach with none other than Mr. Terry Smith

considering he just ended his podcast. He's like,

I'm done. I'm retired five years. That's enough.

Like how there's so many more people that need

their music talk stories told anyway. Yes. That's

his thing. So going all the way back, getting

started as podcasters, when did you discover

podcasts? And what was the first one you listened

to? So this is It's so long ago, but what I'm

pretty sure it was either the firefly podcast

at the guys from our scape or doing there was

a spin off of the far scape podcast escape cast

and probably at the same time the battle star

the galactica quorum which was a battle star

galactica podcast. And then I also at the time

there is Ron Moore did a official Battlestar

Galactica podcast that really, really. Was interesting

because I'd never heard someone like he talks

about like, Hey, some of you may say that this

is kind of a cheat because we did this for the

characters. And I think that's actually a fair

get, you know? And so I never heard a show runner

that honest on a podcast. Um, so yeah, that was

it. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. How long after

you started listening, did you want to start

your own podcast? My secret origin story, uh,

which is not so secret is I started calling.

into leading voicemails and feedback to the.

That was our galactic of the quorum podcast the

quorum podcast and they really thought that i

had no kind of thought i had a little something

so they when they were doing some special episodes

they would have me call in i'm so along with

other people right and then in. The far escape

podcast decided that they were going to do. A.

R escape rewatch. That they were going in the

premise would be that a. Lou and Karen who had

seen far escape many many times would. Joanne

and they would have someone who's never seen

far escape join them and then they're the fourth

person would be a rotating veteran. And originally

they thought that it would take we would take

terms who was going to be the newbie and it turned

out that they really liked me and so they had

that. And so i'm trying to try to look that up

because you always say that you've been podcasting

longer than i have and i actually i think i'm

as long as you if not a little bit before because

when you throw in the far skate podcast so i'll

look for that but then. What happened is as we're

doing this far skate podcast. Karen reached out

to me and said, I'm thinking about doing a castle

podcast. Would you want to join me? And I did,

um, the earliest episode I can find is August

of 2012 though. I know we were doing it before

then. Okay. Um, and for the, I started out as

someone just being, you know, just. Being part

of the panel. Yeah, and Karen was doing everything

You know Karen had to schedule edit upload and

so I started saying hey Do you want me to drive

the bus, right? Yep, and And she said yeah, that

would be great so that's when I started doing

more of the doing this more of just actually

not being just a passive person, but actually,

you know, kind of becoming doing this. And so

that's what happened. And, and kind of what that,

and then the rest of the journey went to doing

everything else. Like I was going right. Exactly.

Yeah. Uh, if you can beat December 12th, 2008,

That's when i started it alright that's my goal

i'm gonna make a note and it will know so yes

boy yeah. What was your plan in getting your

podcast off the ground when you first started

back in twenty fifteen so rob south gate who

runs south gate media reached out to me and said

because i had been on a guest. place on a couple

of network shows that were on his podcast. And

he said, Hey, we're thinking about doing a, I

want to do a doctor who podcast. Would you want

to host it? And I said, well, yeah. And so. This

was right when peter kapaldi was taking over

as the doctor so i'll do a quick search for that

so. I reached out to charles gag who is one of

my oldest friends he we had been in a titan talk

apple and for those of you may not remember an

apple was kind of a before there was the internet

it was kind of an. A physical bulletin board

where you wrote things and you send them to one

person and that person you know send them out

to everyone and. So we really decided we're gonna

do this together and so that was in two thousand

fourteen we started doing the next stop everywhere

a doctor who podcast and then a couple things

happened one of the hearing the eighties. There

was an 80s podcast on our network and the guy

wanted to take his summer off, but he didn't

want to not do episodes. So he asked people to

do guest episodes. And I got a couple of my friends

to talk about Bruce Springsteen albums of the

eighties and had a really good time. Springsteen

and I was the film that was kind of a fan documentary,

but all these fans explaining about what Bruce

Springsteen's music meant to them. And then the

third leg of the origin story is Lynette Corolla,

who at the time was married to Adam Corolla.

Did four or five episodes where she talked to

friends of hers. About their Bruce Springsteen

fandom. And of course, friends of hers are famous,

right? Like including the creating creator of

who loves Raymond. And she stopped doing them.

And I knew I wanted more Springsteen discussion

in my podcast feed and no one was doing it at

the time. So Mike, in the spirit of lighting

a candle instead of cursing the darkness, I went

to. rob and i said hey i want to do a bruce springsteen

podcast and he says okay what's it gonna be and

i said well i'm gonna talk to fans about why

they love bruce oh okay that sounds interesting

he said how are you gonna find him i said i'm

gonna find him through social media okay great

go for it And he loves telling the story he hung

up the phone he looked at his wife Martha and

said okay we're going to do a springsteen podcast

i think we'll get a season out of it to him the

season is twelve episodes oh boy right that yeah

so i'm currently at twelve hundred plus yeah

and. And i am not do you are doing one better

than me i am doing thirty days of springs in

november i'm doing thirty because of the no podcast

you know the national podcast movement no potluck

so i'm doing thirty days of springsteen in november

and i will be. Discussing and i have some very

special guest stars including someone you may

recognize listeners. uh talking about one of

their favorite spring scene albums and we're

going to do 30 episodes in 30 days yeah i i have

no idea what you're talking about folks i was

not born in the usa i was born i was born in

france yes so just to pull it back behind the

curtain i did not set out to do Episode 100 to

131. That was not the original plan for December.

That wasn't the plan at all. But how I have been

doing my podcast the last couple of years is

I will pre -record everything. I will then spend

seven and a half days editing. I will record

a whole like this week. As we're recording this

in October, I have recorded every single night

of this week, Monday through Friday, from October,

what was that, 13th to the 18th or 14th to the

18th, whatever it was. Yeah, it was 14th to the

18th. I then will take, okay, that's recording,

that's this, that's this. If it has to go out

immediately, I will edit it and then put it online.

But the rest of it, it's like, I'll edit it all

the next week. So I do one recording week, one

editing week, one recording week, one editing

week. And Studio 2009 has just kind of, well,

it's snowball. And this will actually be episode

97. People will hear it at some point in October.

Episode 99 will be our Halloween episode and

then I am taking November off from the podcast

to record everything I have to record for December

because like I said this I and part of this may

not even happen because I'm planning on changing

this completely up But as of right now we have

been doing a twelve months of star wars thing

since twenty sixteen or so or whenever it was

i know it's. I don't remember when we did it.

When we started so we get those kinds of episodes

where we're talking about like we've gone through

all the films we've recorded all the episodes

for all the films that are the first six are

out the next three will be out as as this goes

on. We're going to cover the holiday special

in the lego holiday special we're gonna cover.

And then we're gonna go completely different

direction my buddy dave and i we are we were

going to cover colombo season by season the ten

seasons of the colombo peter fox series you know

just one more thing okay. You know all that and

everything else. Except my thought was, Oh, what

if I want to make this a separate podcast, which

led me down a whole other rabbit hole of whatever.

So I don't know if that's going to happen. And

then the rest of it, because it's 19, it's a,

it's 19. Wow. It's 20, 24. It's 30 years from

94. And I'm like, Ooh, 30 years of films. We

can do forest gump speed, drop zone, terminal

velocity, pulp fiction. I robot taxi is 20th

anniversary. So I have this whole plan. Like

I don't even know if it's actually going to happen.

All I know is that I am going to get to episode

99, and you people will have content through

Halloween. After that, it's up in the air. I

have no clue. So which do you prefer? Now we

just, as of this recording, it was just published.

It was just released. My buddy Steve Megatron

and I, we did a... He wrote a couple articles

about podcasting in the history of podcasting

in the renaissance of it all and and the podcasting

boom that happened with twenty twenty and all

that happened in that whole thing and whatever

and we were discussing the difference between

a podcast which is pretty it's always been primarily

audio and then video podcast or podcasts that

are video versions and whatever whatever so which

do you prefer audio or video podcasting as a

fan and as a producer. I like audio. because

I can do other things while I'm listening to

it. Yep, I have a YouTube channel for set listing

Bruce and every once in a while I will if I think

it was a pretty good discussion, I will edit

it and put it up. It is harder to edit video

and it is audio because I haven't done it very

much. And while audio I'm I've gotten. decent

at it so that's it i do record via zoom that's

one of the few good things that came out of the

pandemic. Is i used to do skype and people didn't

know what skype was i had to buy a skype. You

know phone number but after the pandemic everyone

knows. Will whose doom assume is and like everyone

kind of oh, okay. It's a zoom link so I do record

and I have a small patreon group and they usually

get the unedited video after I record it like

like within a day or two I upload the video that's

unedited and just just clear where they can kind

of as a bonus for being part of my patron. Yep.

Absolutely. All right. What kind of setup did

you have when you started podcasting and what

do you use now? Your microphone, headphones,

et cetera. Yeah. So I really have not changed

very much. I, I I've always had a pretty good

headset because my day gig is a call center.

Okay. So I always had a pretty, not incredibly

expensive, but a pretty strong headset. And then

what we would do is, you know, we would use,

you know, when Karen was doing the recording,

I don't know how she recorded it, but I would

record, you know, with a Skype. Recorder right

there is so we talk on skype we get orders there

and and so I didn't and then I've done my At

times I don't think The sound is that much better

for me. I know that a lot of people like them

I just like having a headset on because I feel

comfortable With headset on because I've done

it so long. Mm -hmm So I do that I now do my

recording on Zoom and then I use, you know, I

have, I used to do Audacity to record, to edit.

I now do a script, which helps me edit. You know,

I used to use Lipson to post it, but now then

my network, Pantheon, they use, I can never think

of it. It is the megaphone. They use that to

publish their podcast. Right. So I think the

biggest change has been the editing because,

you know, it is from my perspective, recording

is the easy part. You know, just you, you get

someone on the mic, you start talking and you

just forget you're having a recording. You just

have a conversation. Yep. In fact, some of my

early. Yep. The recording has always been the

easy part. Yeah, I mean some of my early criticisms

was I told the same stories and the reason why

is because The people that I'm talking to haven't

heard those stories and I'm not thinking about

this being a recording I'm having a conversation

with someone and I am Still a little bit self

-conscious and I'll say okay and for regular

listeners skip ahead a few minutes because you're

about to hear something you've heard a hundred

times i say that all the time dude yeah it's

not just you yeah yeah because they haven't and

you know every once in a while mike it's always

kind of cool when you get a someone who listens

to the podcast on a regular basis and says they

want to join me They will finish a story for

me or they'll like oh, yeah You've talked about

that before and that always makes me very set

very happy at like, okay Yeah, someone is listening.

So that's I think my long -winded answer is the

technology The biggest change has been in the

editing and how I do that. I started out not

Just trying to kept everything normal Just with

that says when i'm supposed to record with someone

and then track like have we recorded have i edited

have i posted it you know i bought a zoom license

i use the free calendar calendar to schedule

i i thought about you know everyone so i kick

around like man because you can only have one

different. Meeting invite and so these thirty

days of springsteen i had to turn off my normal

springsteen. Invite and create a thirty days

of springsteen because i wanted to really like

this is my ninth recording this week because

i'm trying to catch up cuz i took a week off

in october we were on vacation. So i'm having

to play catch up so i'm i really am kind of i'm

looking forward to this weekend though i have

three on saturday morning and two on sunday morning

yeah folks i can usually do two a day but. He's

more insane than i am and i know he has to catch

up at this point because he went on vacation

unfortunately. Yeah it was. this week on Tuesday

I did three episodes in a row one at seven one

at eight and one at nine we're gonna do two tonight

one that you're hosting one I'm hosting and then

as I said Saturday morning I have three I've

got one at nine one at ten one at eleven and

then on Sunday I have one at nine and then we'll

do two episodes at ten That's for my JKL recording,

which is Lou and Karen and I got together. We

got the band back together two or three years

ago just because we liked each other and we're

going through Babylon five in chronological order.

And so we're doing, we're in season five of Babylon

five. And then we just do for fun. And this week

we're going to talk 12 angry men, the classic

fifties film. Absolutely. Yeah, whenever it came

out. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. He's he's almost

more of a machine than I am, folks, because two

or three recordings in a day. Oh, my God. The

only way I could do that is if it was like 5

a .m. and 5 p .m. or 5 a .m. 5 p .m. and 10 and

10 p .m. Like I have to spread them out through

the day if I did that. Oh, boy. So heaven forbid

and luckily nothing has happened yet but if your

headphones your headset your microphone breaks

down are you gonna go out and buy the exact same

setup are you gonna upgrade i will probably upgrade

to a little better headset. I kick around currently

i have a USB headset and i kicked around maybe

getting a wireless headset. But then I'm always

a little nervous that it's going to give me problems.

Yeah. I would wire. I would not go wireless.

Not for this. I did buy a really nice mic and

had it all set up in my, um, cause when I originally

started, this was just in our front room. I'm

and about a year ago my wife finally convinced

me to move everything into our guest bedroom

so that's kind of become the studio as i'm doing

air quotes. And so i had to add up a mic is set

up and everything and problem was like if i brought

up the files and audacity. Air work there and

i like i got all i know so i mean. I went through

every version of tech support all the way talking

to it was one of the. I can't remember the manufacturer

not name of it now but it was a really good Mike

and you know their tech support said I don't

know why it's there is no reason why it should

work but yeah I just I would return it and so

you know we did. I am kicking around because

it does look cool. Having the you know the denser

mic and having the little pop Versus just a headset.

Um, so I may change a little bit. I don't know.

We'd have to see yeah Well, and again, I mean

if it ain't broke don't fix it. I mean if it

works like my gal Is a Chaos Queen she goes through

headsets like crazy like I don't know what she's

she's one of those YouTube streaming gamer people

and Yeah, she just goes through heads. It's like

crazy. So that's what I mean. Like if the stuff

for me, I have the same for the last 10 years

ever since I first got them 2014. I got these.

They are the JVC HA RX seven hundreds. They are

wired. They're huge. You'll see them folks. When,

when I do my episode of set listing Bruce for

his, his everything Bruce November podcast series.

For the albums but it is wired it and it fits

my head fine it's whatever. And the only time

i have to ever really replace it is if the ear

cups finally get to the point where they're so

afraid and i've only had to replace this thing

twice in ten years and i bought a third set for

somebody else. So yeah. Yeah i'm one of those

types of people that if as long as i don't have

to upgrade it and i can still buy the same one

that i know that it works i know how the sound

is in my ears i know how it all works between

voice or between music or between tv or movie

it's like why would i ever do anything else.

Yeah. Did you think you'd be podcasting for as

long as you have. No i really really didn't end.

Terry asked me the question, you know, we have

a mutual friend, Terry Smith, and he's going

to be on, you know, Terry wrapped it up after

five years and a hundred episodes. And he asked

me, have I thought about it? And, you know, Mike,

there are days where I am very frustrated. I'm

frustrated at the amount of downloads I get.

The amount of people that don't seem to care.

There's now four or five Springsteen podcasts

out there. Well, that's going to happen. I mean,

after, after eight and a half years of you doing

this, that's definitely going to happen, but

go ahead. Sorry. And so I kick around sometimes,

you know, because it is a lot of time. It takes

a lot of time and effort, but then. When I and

this is gonna sound like a cliche right but like

a musician The stage lights come on the bike

is set up the person and I go you know Welcome

to a brand new episode of setlistic Brooks your

Bruce for your podcast all about Bruce Springsteen

his music and mostly his fans I am your host

Jesse Jackson and it's there and I'm having a

conversation with the person and I love it So

I, I don't think I'm planning to quit anytime.

Sylvan has threatened me because our perfectly

good podcast and that's John Hyatt. We're going

through every John Hyatt song in alphabetical

order. And it's like July, 2028. Yeah but that's

only four years, that's from this election to

the next election, it's okay, you'll be fine.

If he does no new albums or songs at all, that

would be when the last song was done. I know

I'm behind, but I just started listening to...

Which episode is it? The gun. I've got a gun.

So I'm in the middle of that episode and she

mentions this every time that they podcast folks.

Jesse Jackson and his insane ambition of being

the podcast machine that he is and he's so obsessive.

What we're so obsessive about him is because

we love doing it. I, it's the conversation from,

yes, do I like doing certain parts of the editing?

Sure. I like doing the assembling parts. It's

the little piddly parts of cutting out. And I'm

not saying everybody does this. I'm trying to

get people not to do it, but it's one of those

things where I am perfectly fine with me saying

a sentence and then me losing my mind and not

remembering what the next word is in the sentence

and going, Oh crap. Um, but then there are people

that will be like, well, um, I, um, never, uh,

and I'm like, Oh my God, I have to spend the

next three and a half hours cutting all that.

Cause that to me personally just sat and we'll

get to the whole sound thing later, but it's

one of those things where this is what we do.

And I've never paid, I've never paid attention.

Steve is the one that does all the website stuff

and I mean I can see the numbers and stuff but

like the numbers at the end of the day because

I'm doing we're doing this for most of the most

though mostly for free yes there are people that

do patreon things or do special things if people

would like to donate or would like to pay for

them and have I had people donate and do stuff

for me over the last 16 years absolutely thank

you to everybody who ever has I'm not saying

that I'm saying at the end of the day with like

I've just upgraded my microphone Earlier this

year last year. I forget when it was but like,

you know after I think the last time I upgraded

was it's probably been a decade or so out of

the 16 years but like I'm just sitting here having

fun with my friends at the end of the day and

as long as the final product sounds good to my

ear and I've been listening to podcasts since

2000 late 2006 early 2007 And I know what I like

to hear and what I don't like to hear. And I'm

one of those anal retentive people that will

pay attention to, oh, hey, you missed an ad break

here. Oh, hey, this isn't there. That's there.

Great job. Look, both positive and negative,

not just negative, but it's just one of those

things that I pay attention to the stuff that

I'm listening to because I am a listener of things.

And yeah, it's just, you know, what else are

we going to do? One of the things that I was

fascinated by I went through a spell where I

was listening to writers podcast where they were

interviewing writers of TV shows and movies and

You know when they interview a showrunner They

would say that if they were a dramatic, let's

say a dramatic TV showrunner that they can't

watch they have to watch sitcoms or reality tv

because if they watch another drama all they

see are why did they do the ad break there why

why did they do that cold open right they couldn't

and the same thing a comedy writer said yeah

i have to watch drama i have to watch you know

fargo because if i do oh that was a bad place

you know they they kind of had a weak Going into

the ad break think that that joke should have

been tweaked there because you can't turn it

off. Right. The podcast I really love. I'm able

to turn my mind off. Yep. But with a new podcast,

it. I get, you know, and I everyone's got to

be their own person. But if you're 10 minutes

into the podcast and still doing introduction

That is not necessarily Interesting. Yeah, I

just I that I'm like, okay, let's get to the

meat. Yeah And and you know, but I know other

people if that's the story Then that's you know,

that's their format and works and you and I have

talked about this in the past Mike that When

people ask me hey, I'm thinking about doing a

podcast What's your advice and I go first off?

Make sure it's a broad enough topic that you're

not gonna run out of things to talk about. Yep

If it's a really narrow Target you may find yourself

in people struggle after seven to ten episodes

Unless you're planning to do a limited series,

right? I'm gonna do just a thing secondly you

Don't stall just go out and do it because the

first couple are gonna be bad And you'll get

better as you do it in the last is pick a topic

that you would do if no one listens Yep, and

Karen and Lou and I every Sunday meet and We

get no downloads. I mean none But it is our chance

for the three of us to hang together. Yeah And

that is just a lot of joy back when you and I

way back when we were watching daredevil the

first season, right? You and I are doing that.

You know, we did it just because we wanted to

talk daredevil to each other. Yep. Yeah, absolutely.

And it's one of those things where. Like you

said, yes, you can have the ongoing. I don't

want to say, I'll say general, I don't want to

say generic. You know, like we have Geekcast

Radio, which is technically my geekiness. We

have Altered Geek, which is technically Steve's

geekiness, and he does his own spin, I do my

own spin. Technically, Geekcast Radio is the

overall flagship show, and anything from anybody

that works with us can put stuff there if they

want to. But generally, I'm the one making the

plan for that. But that's a general overarching

thing that has gone on for the last 15 and a

half years of the network. Whereas like something

like reviewing every He -Man and She -Ra cartoon

that was ever produced. That's a limited series

that lasted us about 10 and a half years and

130 something episodes. But like, yeah, you,

yeah, there's two separate ways to do pod. There's

many different ways to do audio podcasting, but

yeah, you have to be like, I've, I've said this

before on this show and other shows. Somebody

comes to me with an idea to do some like. your

Springsteen in five lines thing. When you debuted

that idea, I was like, I know exactly which songs,

I know exactly which lines, and I know exactly

what story I'm going to tell you when I come

back to do that. But it's one of those things

where no one's going to get me to do a Lord of

the Rings film retrospective or a Harry Potter

film retrospective because I don't... I've never

watched them. I have no interest in spent. I'll

spend three and a half hours doing a lot of things,

folks. Watching Lord of the Rings is not one

of them. And it all goes back. And this is one

of those things listeners that I will say, like

Jesse does fast forward five minutes, because

you've heard me say this before. It was 30 years

ago this year. My dad was working for Miller

transportation in Louisville, Kentucky. He my

dad's been a mechanic all of his life. He's The

hardest working person I know, it's where, even

though I don't have the same job type stuff that

he does with being a mechanic, that's where I

get my insane ambition and my insane work ethic

from is my father, as well as my mom too. But

my dad, this dude will wake up at three o 'clock

in the morning, can't sleep, he'll go to work,

he'll come home at eight o 'clock at night and

sleep another three hours and go back to work

the next day. It's just the way he was born in

55. So this is the way that generation was. But

I think I've, hello, 31 days of podcasting. Am

I insane? Oh my God. But it's one of those things

where you have to know what you want to do. And

the thing about me not wanting to do Lord of

the Rings isn't because I don't want to spend

the time. It's really because I had a bad experience.

So again, going back to 94, when he would clean

out the buses or get them in for repair or whatever,

these are sure these are coaches these are motor

coaches so they're not city buses they're it's

the buses that will take people down to gamble

wherever they want to gamble at or whatever like

if somebody's going to gallenburg tennessee from

you know this is those kind of buses well those

old people that go do the slots and everything

else will leave stuff on the bus and somebody

left a very worn copy of fellowship of the ring

And I've always been an avid reader ever since

I was a kid. I would read anything I could. And

he brought it home to me, and I got to the point

where in like the first, probably the first chapter

I think it is, where they're like, they were

celebrating Bilbo's eleventy -first birthday!

My 14 -year -old brain was like, eleventy -four

-what? We didn't get that high yet. 111 years

old I get it. It's a it's a language. It's a

language thing, but oh my god Like I've never

been able to get past that so I have no ill will

towards Lord of the Rings or any of that stuff

But that's the reason why you'll never I'll be

pushing up daisies before I'll be watching Lord

of the Rings in my grave, dude How have your

podcasting goal, oh god, sorry Oh no, I was going

to say gosh, probably over 10 years now, but

we once did a roundtable with other Southgate

media hosts and we actually did a roundtable

of our line spots. OK, that like I have. never

i have watched the occasional x files episode

but i've never seen all the x files you know

what other people like you know i've never read

or watched any of the lord of the ring movies

reality is mike there's there's too much to consume

oh yeah there is and so you and so that was a

fun discussion because you know what. And by

the way, I've watched the movies and enjoyed

them, but I've never read the books. I've tried

to read Tom Clancy books and I have the same

issue. There's too much. I feel like I'm reading

a textbook versus like Clive Custler, you know,

Tom Clancy will spend three pages talking about

the Jeep that the guy's going to get in Clive

Custer gets in the Jeep and starts chasing the

bad guy. Yep it's like there's only so many fine

-toothed combs you can do on a G like here's

the door here's the fuselage here's this here's

like oh my god just get in the freaking car yeah

how have your podcasting goals changed since

you started compared to now one of the things

i've done over the years is in most cases i always

have Almost two months of. Episodes in the bank

because i always worry i'm gonna run out of gas

i don't have that worry much anymore and in fact

because in the lie i had to some situations.

Linda was in ended up being in the hospital for

a couple days that's my wife my mother died and

so i spent a week. kind of out of town and taking

care of that. Yeah. So I ended up like I was,

I had nothing in the can. Right. And so I had

a chance where like, okay, I'm recording this

today and uh, next Tuesday I'll put it out. And

so that's one of the things I've done is I try

to keep that going. The other thing i do mike

is i try to keep coming with new wrinkles. You

know the did the eleven questions what is the

spring sing song you hate was spring sing you

love. But it's a song you never get tired of

hearing. They had done that for bands on the

one of my radio stations I listened to. So I

moved it for Springsteen. I did do the Springsteen

in five lines based on Firefly in five lines.

You know, this is all I'm doing. We're discussing

albums. So I'm always thinking of ways to make

the podcast different. One of the things that

happened probably. Two three years ago is i always

would have people who are not necessarily springsteen

fans but they were fans of another musician.

Aretha franklin or prince or. Bon Jovi are you

know and over the years i've. kind of developed

someone just who may not be a music fan but has

Is a writer and I'll have so I'm interviewing

I will interview more creative people now that

I used to and We'll always say we're getting

off this Bruce Springsteen train though I'm sure

he'll come up as he often does and we'll talk

about something or a change of pace because I

like talking to people and One of the guys who

is a regular listen to Charles and I on Next

Stop Everywhere, the Doctor Who podcast said,

I don't think you do a Springsteen podcast. I

think you do an interview podcast where the host

happens to be a huge Springsteen fan. And I said,

that's that's a really nice compliment. Yeah,

that's very true. I mean, it's one of those things

where like Just cause we're talking about podcasting

and stuff. Half of this story so far isn't like

we're not even into the nitty gritty of some

of the podcast stuff. So again, it's when you

do an interview show, you have a main thing of

why you want the person on and you have like,

I have these 30 questions. And if the conversation

goes somewhere, it goes somewhere. And you know,

that's, that's what that what, that's what makes

a good podcast. I think so yeah and and i think

that's one of them it didn't take me long to

change this but. Where i really i realized that

tangents are where you get the gold sometimes

yeah absolutely right yeah most definitely. So

with that being said as you let's explore your

podcast listenership as far as how you listen

to them as a listener what defines a good podcast

to you. You like hanging out with the people.

I think that comes down to where you you feel

like if you were in. a restaurant and having

listen overhearing the conversation. You like

hanging out with the people. I remember years

ago, probably 20 years ago, there was a Doctor

Who podcast and they were just crapping on every

new episode of Doctor Who, just how much they

hated it. And I said, okay, I'm going to quit

listening to this podcast because I don't want

to find if you don't like something so much.

Then quit covering it. Yeah, exactly. And that

doesn't mean I know that, you know, I mentioned

Karen, Karen and her co -host. Kind of tongue

in cheek hate watched under the dome, right?

They stuck with it and they just like. Is this

how bad can this get see i will never i will

never hate watch hate listen hate it no i cannot

do that. Yeah and then we like i i have had episodes

of doctor who that i don't enjoy and. What the

end of castle the last season and a half two

seasons. um we still like the characters but

we didn't like the stories that the writers were

writing for them right yeah but yeah i i think

that's it so i i like spending time with the

people i listen to and they either make me think

or they make me laugh and those are the ones

i usually like yeah absolutely As a listener,

what does a podcast have to have to draw you

in? It has to have, it's got to be interesting.

And what I mean by that is whether it's Jon Stewart

doing a weekly podcast covering a political topic

or it's pin Gillette, basically just telling

stories. It has to be interesting. I don't. Worry

too much. About sound quality i mean i mean if

it's horrible and you can't understand the person

i'm that is bad but. It is i think that's the

most important thing is i've got to. I have to

they have to be inner. At least somewhat interesting.

Absolutely. All right. As a listener, do you

prefer short 30 minutes to an hour and 30 minute

shows or do you prefer longer podcast episodes

as in two hours or more? I struggle with this

question that if I would make my podcast shorter,

would it be more consumable? And would I would

this be a better podcast if I did cut out the

stories that have been told before, right? Because,

uh, and things, so I, I don't care. Um, I think

it, it, it runs through the. The story song podcast

is one of my favorite podcasts and these are

two two guys and a gal that basically takes story

songs from various decades and they break them

down lyric by lyric and Making up stories and

just having fun with it. That's the first half

of it and the first third the second third they

actually get into the reality of Why was this

song written? What was this done? What was it

going? Like they do redheaded stranger from Willie

Nelson. Then the second third is they'll talk

about Willie and the album, what it was. And

then the third part is they kind of wrap it up.

Sometimes that's an hour and 20 minutes. Sometimes

it's almost two hours. The absolutely amazing

history of rock and roll and 500 songs that Andrew

Hickey is doing. Can go sometimes two hours sometimes

three and in fact, he recently made the change

that I'm not going to I I may have to do four

parts to cover this phase of the Rolling Stones,

but I will do for Two hour episodes. So it isn't

like one episode. That's you know, three and

a half four hours It yeah, so I you know, there

is some fun To there is I subscribe to The local

sports station that I listen to and they do a

top ten every week Every day and so they'll they'll

do segments that are ten to twelve minutes long

that I didn't get to hear I will listen if it's

an interesting topic, you know and the guys from

we've got this podcast will a stick about an

hour and so it just all depends on You know,

as long as the conversation is entertaining me,

I keep listening and if it stops entertaining

me, I will just drop out of the podcast and then,

okay, this one wasn't for me and I'll catch the

next one. Absolutely. As a listener, do you start

at the beginning of a podcast, the most recent

episode, or do you jump, jump around? Great question.

I tend to. If I discover a new podcast it's usually

because something happened Mm -hmm. I'm gonna

have to look this up. There is a podcast. I just

discovered okay that And it's someone It they

did He did born to run. Okay, and so someone

sent me the link and said hey, Jesse I know how

big of a Springsteen fan you are. You may want

to check this out. And so I did and it was fascinating.

He's a musician and he actually plays parts.

He not only talks about the lyrics, but he talks

about what Bruce is doing musically and he plays

it on different instruments. Um, and I made the

joke that I thought I loved. born to run, I did

not realize how much I love born to run or why

I loved born to run till I heard this guy breaking

apart. If it's a current events like TV's top

five was it's now stopped because one of the

co -hosts never no longer works for a Hollywood

reporter. But when she. When they did it I didn't

go back and get old ones because it was a new

one even though I might go Oh, that would be

a good interview with someone so I think it depends

on If and what I'll do is like a thousand one

album complaints is basically a bunch of guys

talking about The list of a thousand one albums

you need to listen to before you die and they

Break apart just in random order and go Let's

talk about Bonnie rate nick of time and then

decide it then ultimately at the end They make

a vote is this one you should listen to or know

you shouldn't and so I cherry picked episodes

that I wanted to see like Ray Charles modern

sounds in country and Western music because I

love that album so I think it depends on the

podcast but For example Kevin Pollock Started

doing a mrs. Maisel podcast and I started the

very beginning So if it is about a TV show or

something Yeah, I tend to go at the beginning

and then I will sample and then go okay cocaine

and rhinestones is a history of country music

and I started out just Jerry picking an episode

and realize that no i want to start listening

this again same thing on the history of. In five

hundred songs i needed that at the beginning

how about you i started the beginning of the

beginning anyway because i'm one of those types

of people that if somebody has a beginning to

their story that i need to start the beginning

like there's no. There's no jumping around or

there's no like maybe if I want to test to see

if I'm gonna like the podcast I'll listen to

the most recent episode that's usually like with

stuff that Steve and I already do anyway to hear

other people's opinions like if If it's an if

it's a geeky news podcast kind of thing And I'm

not listening to it to get but usually I'm not

listening that type of podcast anyway because

half the time We're doing those types of podcasts

Right because I don't want that to influence

anything and then I have to go back and record

a retraction or any kind of stuff So yeah, you

know, but I always start at the beginning because

it's just one of those things where It's like

we always say every Every episode is a person's

new episode no matter where they are what they've

listened to you I always have to start at the

beginning because I want the beginning of whatever

show that is to like I want to go from the beginning

to the current or In the case of certain podcasts

that have like with terry's it ended at a hundred

episodes i started episode one and i went to

well i haven't yet i need to listen to the other

ones but like point is if i listen then i get

absolutely always start at the beginning folks

as a listener how many hosts are too many on

one episode i think. As a listener. Or as a host

as a listener, how many hosts like when you when

you turn on a podcast and you hear seven voices

is that too many is five too many is two not

enough. So how many is too many? I think. Unless

you do it right. More than three or four can

get confusing. Yeah. Because you want to, unless

it's for a specific thing. For example, I have

done where Bruce has a new album or there was

a controversy with Bruce was over, you know,

the cost to get into his commercial, you know,

his concerts were too. And so I had dozens of

people on, um, and we kind of did a round table

on that. But normally I think three to four is

good. I know that sometimes you know people want

to have more but It also then can get a little

long You know and and I just said I don't care

about my length but the reality is it it can

be intimidating if we're trying to okay, I'm

I'm trying to. Listen through this and it so

I think that's the right amount for me. Yeah,

I'm sure I'm going to run into a podcast where

there's eight and I'm gonna go. That was perfect.

You know, I don't think that's ever happened

to me. Yes. The thing about having more than

three, three is like the sweet spot, four is

good, four you can juggle, five you really need

like a full on spin the bottle kind of thing,

like spin it, it stops in front of you, this

is where you give your opinion on whatever the

topic is, you spin the bottle again and then

the next person go whatever. But you know that...

No there's when there's too many voices it's

kind of hard to hear anything. We kind of already

talked about this one but when do you stop listening

to a podcast all together so if it's something

you've been listening to for years and you listen

to a new episode and whatever the host says they

just say something. So just that just makes your

face red that you're like nope i'm done so it's

usually. Not for anything. To specific it's that

I run out of time And I find myself there is

only a finite amount of time To listen to podcast

to watch all the TV. I want to watch and to record

all the frickin podcast I'm doing myself. So

I will reach a point where You know, I maybe

I'm I'm going to have to drop this one because,

and the beautiful things right there is they're

there if we, you know, you can always go back

and check it. So it's usually because I'm my

shelf. I only have a finite shelf. So the one

podcast gets pushed off because I've added another

one on there. And then there are some that i

really really enjoy but i will skip because the

topic at this point. I'm sure it would be really

interesting to hear them talk about it but i'm

gonna skip something else because i just don't

have time to listen everything absolutely that's

definitely definitely an issue that we have folks.

Yes alright so. What podcast are you currently

listening to and what would you recommend to

our listeners i think. Can you let us a very

entertaining podcast every week. Which is pen

sunday school the story song podcast if you are

a fan of music and especially the way i grew

up in the seventies you know that was my teenage.

You know they do a great job of breaking down

the songs in a really fun clever way. They just

recently did. My boyfriend's back by the angels

right and they had this whole discussion on.

Alright well was she really true to him was she

not like you know it just think they really start

going land outlandish. Did she get in the car

didn't she get in the car. So i did that. Cocaine

and rhinestones is if you have even a slight

interest. In country music, I really recommend

this is he's done two seasons. The second season

was nothing, uh, was about George Jones and Tammy

Wynette. Um, the first season, he kind of did

everything from, you know, Buck Owens and the

Harper Valley PTA. Um, and he just really, really

knows his stuff. I'm looking at my thought here.

One of the things that is really fun, and I selectively

pick this because I just don't have enough time,

but there can only be one, is also is a Pantheon

podcast. And what they do is they go through

every album of a artist and you can only pick

one song from each artist, each album. And so

that makes her, and it's him and a guest. My

weekly mixtape is another fun one that, and they'll

do, we did a Bruce Springsteen mixtape. We'll

do a, you know, one hit wonders playlist. And

it is the ultimate mixtape, right? It's 10 songs

on one, 10 songs on the other side, like a cassette.

And so you take turns picking it. Uh so i always

have a lot of fun with that so those are kind

of ones i i i tend to i i drop by naked lunch

which is phil rosenboth and david wilder they've

had some really interesting guests on because

of both of their connection to show business.

And as i said mrs mazel pot if you're a fan of

that show kevin pawlik has interviewed everyone

that was in part of the show. And had just a

great time talking to them so and then i will

go through i'm currently listening to the official

penguin. podcast i really love the house of the

dragons podcast on there and because i adore

hallmark movies deck the hallmark is i try to

go at least once or twice a week on there where

they talk about and there are three guys on this

and they start every podcast with. You know my

name is brand and i love our movies. My name

is Brian. I like our way move homework movies.

My name is Dan. I hate home. And they rotate

talking about the different movies and they're,

uh, you know, and once again, you like hanging

out with these people and that we got this with

Mark and Hal, which is a really fun podcast where

they debate, uh, the, you know, what's the best

sock length. What's the best place to consume

a meal. And then one of my first podcasts I live

is to is tuning into sci -fi TV and that's where

Brent Kevin and Wendy to talk about the latest

science fiction TV shows So there that's kind

of where I go That's and then there's others

I pick up here and there But of course, folks,

there's always music talks podcast. How can you

forget that? Yeah. And because it's not like,

yes, it's not yours. That's why. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, and I was lucky enough to, you know,

Terry gives me way too much credit for inspiration

for that. That is. And the nice thing about it

is he. Currently is not doing new episodes though

every once in a while, you know, I talked to

him recently and he said that Right now he's

happy, but he will talk to someone and go a great

guest. So I don't know I've told him he's welcome

to come back anytime and I would put it on my

feed if he doesn't want to do it. But yeah, it

is, you know, music talks the premises. You pick

a song from every decade you've been alive and

you use that to tell the story of her life. And

after so many years, I finally convinced him.

Now, this was an episode of Geocast Radio. It

was not an episode of Music Talks, but I convinced

him that I could take one rock band and Pick

a song from every decade. I've been alive and

even a couple of decades that I wasn't alive

yet So I had him Yeah, I told him I said I've

been a fan of this band called Blackstone Cherry

since 2011 their third album between the devil

and the deep blue sea and I guarantee you from

the 50s to the 2020s I can pick one song that

fits the sound or the style of each of those

decades, because these guys, even though in general

they're southern rockers, they have roots in

blues and bluegrass and this, they're from Edmonton,

Kentucky, for crash sake. So, you know, and I

did that and he was like, first of all, the first

thing he said, first of all, Mike, you've picked

songs from decades you weren't even alive in

yet, and then you've picked a song for a decade

that hasn't even started yet. I said, well, yeah,

I'm an overachiever. It's just the way it works.

I did, I picked Bruce Springsteen covers for

every day. He picked a, I picked a song that

he had covered for every decade I've been alive.

Wow. That's awesome. I need to go back and listen

to that. Yeah. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. Yeah.

I need to go back and listen to that one. All

right. Getting into a podcast. Go ahead, sir.

Yeah. And if you want a short podcast. The stupid

history minute podcast is no more than two minutes

every day and he just gives a stupid history

from everything from the rocky horror picture

show to super glue To fried pickles gatorade

and it is two minutes and he puts it up new episode

out every weekday and it is just a lot of fun

there used to be they don't do it anymore but

there used to be a two minute doctor who podcast

that was a lot of fun too cuz you're like okay

great. Yeah, that would take you for like, I've

made plenty of podcast plans and we'll talk about

podcast planning when we get to the production

side of it. But I've made plenty of podcast plans

in the last 16 years that usually are like, okay,

we're going to do this or it's going to be for

the next two years of our lives. Like I don't

even know what a two minute doctor who podcast,

how long that would take to get through everything.

Holy crap. That's, that's a little, that's a

little extreme. All right, getting into podcast

production as a producer. Do you find yourself

listening to podcasts less and less? No. Really?

No, I don't. No, I don't. The the only reason

I stop is just I don't have time. Right. My current

job does not allow me my previous job. I did

a lot more administrative work and we're doing

a lot of clerical and meetings and in between

meetings, I was just at my desk working. So I

would listen to podcasts on the side, you know,

there, my current job, I actually am active on

the phone. So I cannot listen to as many podcasts

because I, you know, I've got to answer the phone.

So that has cut down some of my Same thing when

I had a longer commute. My commute isn't that

long now. So I have that and I tend to listen

to podcasts either in the car or at work. If

I'm home, I'm either recording a podcast or I'm

watch editing a podcast or watching TV. Yep,

absolutely. I just mentioned about the planning

side of it as a producer. Are you a podcast planner

or are you throwing stuff at the mic to see what

sticks? Please don't throw stuff at me. Yeah.

Um, no, I have, you know, I have, as I talked

a little bit, I have an Excel file that has SLB

schedule. Um, so I have, I have episodes scheduled

between now through December 17th. of the name

of the person I'm gonna record. I have a Google

calendar that shows someone is gonna be on. I

send them a Google invite through the Google

calendar. It includes the Zoom link and it includes

a agenda. We don't stick to the agenda, but it

is the bare bones of what the conversation's

going to be. And so that way they can it's always

very cute when someone sends me a long document

where they answered all the questions. And I

I appreciate them and tell them that's very sweet

of them, but I didn't need that because the whole

idea is to be spontaneous. You know if so that

we do that I have a on that same spreadsheet

I have when I'm projecting this episode to drop.

So that I can see am I gonna do one a week am

I gonna do two a week am I gonna try to do As

I'm doing for November. I'm gonna try to do 30

episodes in 30 days Same thing with perfectly

good podcast. We have a Google Doc it has every

John Hyatt song on the document and we have When

we are scheduled to record them, we record every

other Wednesday and we do two episodes a night.

So, and then Charles does the Doctor Who podcast

and he sends out, we do every the other every

other Wednesday and he has the list of through

January of what episodes we're going to record.

Yeah. Planning is always a good thing. Having

some sort of plan even if it's not a projected

Blake like again planning is simple if you're

doing something like watching all 80 Know all

98 episodes of the original Transformers cartoon.

That's a simple plan because you can then fit

that into a Specific series. Yeah, always always

have some sort of plan folks As a producer, are

you a one -man show kind of host or do you prefer

working with co -hosts? You know, I, I do not

do anything solo. Um, I have done them certainly.

With like after a Springsteen show, I will record

my thoughts about the episode, you know, the

show. Yeah. Yeah. And as so, but with, with.

With my Bruce, I am interviewing someone with

Dr. Who. Charles and I often have what we call

a guest companion to join us to discuss the episode.

If not, it's just Charles and I discussing the

episode. And then Sylvan and I talk about John

Hyatt. And then when we have a guest, we have

them join us. And then on like when I'm doing

House of the Dragon, which is Small Council Matters,

I'm not a host. I'm just one of the panelists

and there's four of us that discuss that and

you know to kind of follow up your question about

how many people are on the podcast I think one

of the things you need to do is if you're the

host or the traffic cop is You know Set like

Wendy hosts our house the dragon podcast and

she sends out a document in advance and it is

you know, we'll have our you know each of us

speaking and They'll say that you know, this

is the order that it's going to be You know Sean

is going to go first and then you know, then

Christine and Jesse then Wendy And then, so within

the next week, it may be Christine, Jesse, Sean,

she'll rotate it. That way we know that I'm going

to speak after Sean this week. So when Sean finishes,

that way Wendy doesn't have to say, and oh, now

how about you, Jesse? So that makes it a little

bit smoother. When I'm interviewing, I just had

Professor Ken and Professor Ken on... the podcast.

I had both of them were professors of music at

Monmouth University, just had a new book that's

a scholarly book at Bruce's music. And, you know,

so I had to go and kin and I used their kin W

or kin, their last names so that I could do them.

But, you know, back and forth on that. Yeah,

absolutely. As a producer do you feel you need

the mixing board and all the fancy stuff that

you would essentially be found the radio station

are you good with a great mike and headphones

setup. I know that if i had a mixing board. And

if I had someone to teach me how to use it, I

could probably do some fun things with it. But

since I don't have either one, yeah, I don't

need it at all. As a producer, how much time

do you put into the editing of the show? Well,

I think some of my critics would say not enough.

Not saying a damn thing, folks. You know, I try

to There are different ways to do this and as

i say i struggle with this because do i want

to read through the podcast listen to it and

cut out unnecessary statements or comments. I

tend to cut out the beginning where like you

and i did a little bit of talk before we started.

You hit record, I cut that out. Then when we

stop recording, you and I will continue to talk

and I cut that out. One of the things I always

tell my guests is if you say something you wish

you didn't have, didn't say, if you let me know,

I will certainly cut that out. Absolutely. Yep.

Yeah. For me, it's not necessarily parts of the

conversation. We're an explicit network. Steve

and I said from the very day one if we want to

say any kind of curse word or any kind of Inun

do or in you and don't because I call them in

you and don'ts now Like if we want to do that

we're gonna do that because it's gonna be tagged

explicit on every platform Is it something we

do all the time? Hell? No, okay? Maybe that was

an example, but the point is is that for me?

Unless somebody has such a vastly bad opinion

or bad statement about something, I'm not gonna

cut the conversation. What I'm gonna cut is all

of the excess sounds and the word fillers because

I don't, as a listener, I don't do word fillers.

I think, oh god, I would have cut that. That's

just the way I am. But but yeah, no, I mean for

me like an hour and a half two hour podcast probably

will take me four hours Because I do listen through

everything because I want it to set after 16

years if I don't have it sounding the best way

it sounds to my ear then I know I can't put it

out because I know somebody's gonna come at me

and say hey I Listen to this new show of your

or this new episode you put out and it's got

this this and this and this then like, okay Oh

Fix that next time or I'll go back and fix that

or whatever We just had an episode where I had

to double back on a couple of things because

not because of the content But because of things

that I missed in the edit So but yeah, I would

say depending if you're going through the episode

to make sure everything is good If it's an hour

-long podcast give it an hour and 45 minutes

on the edit That's you know general I guess,

for me anyway. Absolutely. As a producer, do

you prefer in -person recordings or over the

internet recordings via Zoom, Discord, Skype,

et cetera? This podcast is currently on Hiatus,

the How Many podcast. And what that was is just

a bunch of us. We were friends. It basically

was used for us to play grab ass together. And

so we recorded until the pandemic, we always

recorded in person. We would go to someone's

house. We would find a central place and we would

record in person. With the pandemic, we started

having to record via Zoom. I think we will when

we start back doing again, we'll go back in person.

You know i do sometimes during the dallas cowboy

season my son and his best friend colin will

come over the house and will throw the mic up

and we'll just talk a little bit about the cowboys

and i'll put it up is kind of a bonus episode

but like almost all my stuff is done through

the internet. And if. I, you know, I would love

to get involved more with, uh, with local conventions,

uh, helping to host panels. I've done a couple

in the past and I feel comfortable doing panels

and interviewing people, but most of my stuff

is through the internet. Yeah, that's the same

way I've been for 60. Like Steve and I did a

couple in -person recordings when he came up

for my wedding in 2017 and that kind of stuff.

And I did one other in -person recording, but

it's. I'm used to that was in 2017 after almost

a decade of podcasting behind the mic, behind

the screen, looking at the script, looking at

the questions and not looking to my left or looking

to my right or facing somebody and facing away

from the thing that's actually recording the

thing. Like you got it. Can't tell you how many

times there have been times where it's like if

you're not paying attention to Skype or audacity

You're gonna be screwed cuz something's gonna

go wrong kind of a thing As both a listener and

a producer do you prefer one feed have everything

or should each type of show have its own feed

so in this case like You don't like Springsteen

five lines or any of the other springs like you

can all go on bruce's feet but you're not gonna

sometimes you'll mix in perfectly good podcast

stuff and vice versa depending on if it needs

to be syndicated but the way i've always looked

at it is, every show deserves its own feed because

every show is not gonna have the same audience

as every other show. Yeah i usually have a. Same

thing where i have the each show has its own

feed now i will do some cross feeding like when

sylvan joined me to talk about nebraska and the

week i put it on both feeds because it's still

been yet. Yeah, but normally I just have them

on her own just because you're right. They each

deserve their own, their own version, their own

kind of the standalone, right? It is just make

a lot of sense. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Well, we

talked about this before too, but was there ever

a moment where you were completely done with

podcasting and was going to walk away? When I

was sick, I kind of took Little bit time off

i had a lot going on once. And we just hit ten

years of next stop everywhere and i ended up

not doing that i ended up going i'm gonna take

a break and so charles did that you know without

me and then i came back so it's mostly and i

do try to give myself breaks. And try to set

things off and then of course something goes

like i will take off half of december and i may

even take off part of january just because i'm

having to do so much for november but i tend

to just once i get the. You know i get the mic

talking to me i'm happy. What do you see is the

differences in podcast versus being on the radio

the difference is. I if i screw up we can edit

it if someone is having a bad day we can say

hey let's just. Let's stop and let's let's try

again or we can reschedule this i'm amazed that

people like okay here's a fun story so before

the cowboy season started chris. Colin and I

all recorded like a 40 -minute episode talking

about the season and doing everything and When

we finished we realized that I get we we didn't

have a backup. We only recorded one Source and

the source stopped after 10 minutes. Oh, yeah,

it's those types of things. Yeah, and the and

the boys both were like no just yeah, no, we

can't rerecord it right and so You know, Chris

talks about that. Think about it, you know, George

Craig and Gordon, who do the morning show for

the ticket. They start at five 30 and they go

to 10. And that's three segments an hour. And

it. Every day, five days a week coming up with

content. And that I think is the dig. You just

turn through. Content you've got to figure out

what to talk about. So I think that's the biggest

difference Absolutely and plus because they're

on the radio from 5 30 to 10 That means they're

at the radio station at 4 30 in the morning Because

they have to get there to prep everything if

everything isn't already exactly. Yes, that's

it's another extra hour of yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

So I'm gonna ask this next question and I'm gonna

do a follow -up question before you answer because

I need to know the answer to the follow -up questions.

Okay. If you've done any interviews with famous

people, hint, hint, which was your favorite?

Now you are over just under or just over 1200

episodes. When are you getting Bruce on the podcast?

Yeah, boy, I sure would love that. My latest

one. I would love hank is alia because he's doing

a bruce springsteen tribute and right now and

it's available on the internet he did a born

to run doing all the. A different line using

a voice from different characters he's done on

the simpsons yeah i would love bruce i would

love little stephen i would love any member of

the street band you know i've done. David wild

who has written for the Grammys was just on recently

i have had marine van zandt on twice that is

little steven's wife she was played his wife

on the sopranos. Mike scully who is one of the

show runners of the sopranos has been on the

podcast. I've had multiple writers who are very

well known, Todd Goldberg, our mutual friend

Tom Zoller, other writers and musicians. So I

guess the two biggest celebrities I've ever had

is Mad Dog Lopez, who was the original drummer

for the E Street Band. He actually played on

the first Two albums of, and then the Bruce's

first manager, uh, Mike Appel. And that's the

one there was a massive lawsuit about that when

so Mike Appel was the one who got him in front

of Columbia records, got him signed and helped

produce the first three albums. And then, uh,

he and Bruce had a falling out and a lawsuit

and inferred. So that was a pretty big thing.

I was lucky enough. I got to talk to 20 minutes

with Don McLean, which was very cool. Obviously

I'd love to talk to Tom Hanks or Kevin Bacon

or, you know, people that are huge Bruce fans,

not just because I, you know, I love them as

actors or something, but I'd love to just talk

to them about their fandom the same way. as I

talk to just a normal person that's on the show

telling their story about their fandom. Yeah,

absolutely. It would be nice to have them on

here. So you've gotten little Steven's wife on

the show, and you've gotten Nancy Hyatt on the

show. You have the connections, come on, you

gotta use those. You know i don't know how i

just don't know how to politely go. Do a marine

hey didn't you have fun and she talk you know

and we actually had nicky gerard who is currently

living with a gary talent who's the bass player

and he's been on twice she had a book that she

was promoting. Yeah, and he talked about that.

He just hates press So yeah, but this isn't press

though. This is not only podcast. Yeah, this

isn't a press circuit. This isn't a A photo op.

This isn't a press junket where there are a million...

This is a one -off, specifically with you. Like,

if you were to get Bruce, it would be you and

Bruce having a conversation about him, about

his life, about his music, and you would ask

him all of the personal questions that you ask

everybody else because the point is to get their

story. This isn't about any of the... celebrities

may perceive as press this is not like every

time I talk to anybody I'll say hey look we would

like to talk to you because of this I'm a fit

like literally I just Again, you'll be hearing

this in late October, folks, probably, but as

of this recording, I just finished the second

interview of the year with the Diamond Music

Partners, Christopher Carter, Lolita Ramonis,

and Michael McQuistion. They did the music on

Batman Beyond from the old DCAU cartoons from

1999. Batman Beyond is 25 years old this year.

And I say to everybody who is anybody that comes

on any of my podcasts that I do interviews with,

Specifically, the voice actors and other people.

Thank you for coming on. If you ever have anything

in the future that you would like to come back

on and talk about, if you've got any new projects,

just let us know. I've interviewed Stan Bush

like, I don't know, 11 times in 16 years, because

every time Stan has a new album, I'm like, hey,

Stan, you want to come on and talk about the

new album? I'd love to hear it before it's out

or when it's out or whatever. You just have to

kind of ask, and it's up to them. If they say

yes or no, that's, you know, a yes or a no is

better than no answer at all and not knowing.

I don't know. That's my spiel. Very nice. All

right. Last three questions. Once your current,

well, your current podcast won't end because

it's 1200 episodes and I'm sure you want to hit

2000. But at some point, perfectly podcast will

have a sort of ending. But the question basically

is for those people that only have one podcast,

they want to end it eventually. Once your current

podcast ends, what is next for you in the world

of podcasting? You know, just to keep doing what

I'm doing, just trying to have fun and just kind

of enjoy what I'm doing. Yeah, absolutely. What

advice do you have for new and veteran podcasters

in the art of podcasting i would you know i can

share that already make sure it's a topic you

enjoy discussing just keep trying to have fun

with it. Enjoy and always have two or three episodes

of the can you never know when life's gonna get

in the way and you're gonna go and be consistent

you know the people. Want to know that when they

go to that feed, they're going to be, you know,

they can count on it. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Final question. Where can the people find your

shows? So, uh, you can find me on social media

at Jesse Jackson, DFW on Twitter, AKX. I am on

Facebook, Jesse Jackson, Louisville, Texas. I

can. You know you can find our podcast for every

you find services set listing bruise and perfectly

podcaster part of the pantheon podcast network

doctor who. The next stop everywhere on strange

and wonderful productions which is charles's

area we can you can find them are everywhere

it is and then last for conversation is where

we're going to babble on five episodes and that's

like i said if you just. Look for any of those

on our podcast feed. There we are. Absolutely.

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on the Geekcast Radio Network. Any final thoughts

from you, sir, after the experience of the podcast

approach? No, I just really appreciate the questions

and the thoughts. You know, it's kind of fun

to talk about the behind the scenes story of,

you know, kind of where and why we're doing this.

I always think it's interesting to hear. I like

talking about how the sausage is made. And so

I appreciate the chance to talk a little bit.

Absolutely, absolutely. And even though, folks,

this will be. this will be oh god now i've got

taxi stuck in my head from 2004 uh even though

this will be episode 97 of the podcast this is

only the overall 16th episode of the podcast

approach series so we start like i said before

steve and i started studio 2009 in 2020 and we

had a whole bunch of other ideas that we wanted

to fit in here and the whole point of studio

2009 is we can talk about anything in the audio

or visual realm. If you can read it, hear it,

see it, watch it, whatever, we'll talk about

it. Mostly we do movies, but we will be doing

TV shows and other things as well. But part of

that was at the time, because when we started

it, it was the middle of, you know, the stuff

in 2020. I wanted something different. I needed

something different. And I already had this 30

question format for comic books, cartoons and

other stuff. So I'm like, why not? Take that

and more fit into podcast stuff and call it podcast

approach and figure out what people's podcast

approach is have 30 questions because it's a

nice even number. If you need to do an ad break

between the 15 questions, you can do that there.

Uh, we don't have to do that anymore. Thank God.

But, uh, cause the ad break that I just put in

is just simply ads that I've had from people

over the years, like yourself and others. But

yeah, we've only had 16 episodes of Podcast Approach.

So if you are out there, you're a podcaster or

a podcast listener, you can send feedback. You

can send any email to feedback at geekcastradio

.com. Just put in the subject line podcast approach

guest spot. I would love to get more people's

stories as possible. So any other final thoughts

from you before I run through the closing? No,

I just, this was a lot of fun. I appreciate it.

And, uh, I'm looking forward to having you back

on set listing Bruce. Absolutely. Absolutely.

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