25 Years of 10 Things I Hate About You

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is none other than Jennifer Kaufman. You've heard

her on our episode about children's television

programming. Oh, boy, that's a good one. This

is us and more, something we could never finish

because, oh, my god, that show is depressing

as hell. I know I keep meaning to go back to

it. Oh, don't stop. Well, I mean, I liked it,

but I was also by the second season I was trying

to get pregnant and I was in that stage of my

life and I was like, whoa, I cannot do this.

So I don't know, maybe going back outside of

there. I don't know. It's on my list because

I did really. I mean, I wouldn't say enjoys kind

of a wrong word. I guess I, you know, I was into

it in a. Let me sob on the couch because it's

cathartic kind of way not like woo. What a good

time Yeah, no, it was not a woo. What a good

I mean there are positive things about it, but

that that show is emotionally draining That is

an emotionally draining show and if you need

your emotions emotions drained Go into that piece

of media because holy crap But yeah, Jennifer

is back and we are here folks to celebrate 25

years. Can you believe it 25th anniversary? technically

the 432nd and or the 434th anniversary of taming

of the shrew aka also known as 10 things I hate

about you from 1999 I love this movie I've never

read I've never read seen any other adaptations

of taming of the shrew before sense or otherwise

and reading some information on it, I don't think

I ever want to read the original. Sorry, Mr.

Shakespeare, not sorry. Yeah, I have not read

this one either, even though I do tend to enjoy

Shakespeare's comedies. But no, I haven't. I

haven't read this one. So I at the time, I'm

not sure I was even aware it was an adaptation

of Taming of the Shrew. I know that that was

a guy. thing to do at the time, sort of adapt

teen films based on, you know, classic literary

works. But I don't think I was aware at the time

that that's what this was based on, because I

hadn't read that one. I was a lot because we

were doing this came out in my senior year of

high school and an English class that year. One

of the semesters we were doing a lot of Shakespeare.

And as soon as I saw the trailer for this, I

was like, OK, I'd much rather watch this than

read that. Yeah, yeah, I would, now I tend to

agree. I mean, I do, again, I do love Shakespeare's

comedies, but reading a little bit of the description

of this one, it doesn't sound like, yeah, it

sounds a little harsh. Very harsh. What's the

difference between like and love? Because I like

my sketchers, but I love my Prada backpack. Bianca

Stratford is the most popular girl at Padua High.

You're asking me out? I'm down. I've got the

411. And you are not going out and getting jiggy

with some boy. I don't care how dope his ride

is. Her sister, Kat, is something else entirely.

People perceive you as somewhat tempestuous.

Heyness's witch is the term used most often.

The only thing they have in common I am the only

girl in school who's not dating. Oh, no, you're

not. Your sister doesn't date. is one simple

rule. Okay, you can date. When she does. But

she's a mutant! What if she never dates? Then

you'll never date. Oh, I like that. For Cameron,

no one will go out with her. It's a problem.

Would any of you be interested in dating Katarina

Stratford? Maybe if we were the last two people

alive. And there were no goats. Are there goats?

For Patrick. And what about him? I heard he ate

a live duck once. Everything but the beak and

feet. It's a challenge. So you two are gonna

help me tame the wild beast? Absolutely. And

for Kat. Kat. It's about time. Come on, think

about it. Me with my arm around you. You covered

in my vomit. I'd like to discuss tomorrow night

with you. Now, as you know, it's the prom. Touchstone

Pictures presents Stay cool, bro. A story for

every guy who's ever tried You never give up,

do you? Was that a yes? No! Well, then was that

a no? No! Every girl who's ever hoped You're

not as vile as I thought you were. This is not

good. And anyone who's ever been taken completely

by surprise. She kissed me. Where? In the car.

You're concentrating awfully hard considering

it's gym class. 10 Things I Hate About You. March

31st, 1999, 10 Things I Hate About You was released.

It was the breakout performances for Heath Ledger

and Julia Stiles. I know it was for Heath. It

was his first US film role. Pretty sure it was

also one of, if not, I don't remember if Julia

Stiles did stuff before. I think she did a few

indie things and a television show, but this

was certainly like her first mainstream commercial

success. And some of the other cast who were

teenagers were actually more well -known for

some other things at the time. But those two

were kind of the stars and definitely like I

guess fresh faces. I would say like fresh faces,

right? So yeah And the funny thing is looking

at her filmography. Uh, yeah, the devil's zone

is the only other major I love you. I love you

not maybe that was I don't remember that movie

but 96 97 and then she was in wicked in 98 and

then wide awake in 98 then this 99 but Going

back to our television children's television.

She was erica dansbury on ghostwriter from 93

to 94. Okay. So perhaps if you were a fan of

ghost writer, then maybe I was a little bit older

at that point. So I don't think I ever, I ever

saw that one. It was one of those ones where

I caught it in like, like in passing. It wasn't

ever like, Oh my God, I must sit down and watch

this as a 13, 14 year old. Cause you're right.

It is for a younger audience for children's television.

But uh, but yeah, that's her. uh beginning and

when did you remember when you first saw the

movie i do i was on a date with somebody i went

on a couple dates with this person perfectly

pleasant but uh certainly the movie was the most

memorable thing about that date that's the thing

that i remember in terms of the person Like it's

funny because there are I used to joke that you

would I would sort of categorize like Some of

the people that I dated like very briefly, you

know You just like a couple of weeks or whatever

doesn't go anywhere I would rate them based on

the movies they took me to see because it was

like everything was perfectly pleasant but like

boy there was some bad movies with that person

and the good movies with this one this this gets

like uh, this is probably the top because It

lasted right this film became one of my all -time

favorites Um, and it's definitely a cult classic.

So yeah On a date? I was not on a date, but I

did see this in theaters in 99 when it released.

I was two, yeah, we were two months away from

graduation from high school at the time. And

yeah, just ever since then, I have watched this

movie. I took several screen caps. They're on

my Facebook, folks. If you want to find them,

it's over there at Mike Blanchard on Facebook.

The thing I did with this rewatch is this time

around is I tried to notice things I had not

really noticed before and one of the things I

noticed and I was not going to tag you and there's

like three posts but I wasn't going to tag you

in all of them because some people just don't

like when people get tagged whatever fine it

doesn't matter but like I want to be respectful

and everything else whatever. But the scene,

I think the most recent photo on my Facebook

is when she flashes the teacher. And it's not

because she's flashing him why I took the screenshot.

It's because I never noticed before, I've seen

this movie a zillion times, literally folks.

I didn't even have to watch this movie, but I

did because again, I wanted to see if I could

notice anything that I've never noticed before.

And the one thing I noticed was, that makes no

sense later because, well, it does now, but so

she flashes Mr. Chapin in order to get Patrick

out of detention. That scene moves so quickly

because you're focused on the teacher and Kat.

You see Patrick getting out the window, but you

don't, like, it's a fast -moving scene. I finally

got the screen cap of the century. And which

leads me to believe that he was playing her the

whole time because he knew the whole damn - He

saw her flash him. Oh, yeah, you didn't know

that? No, I never know. I'm sure I knew it. I'm

sure I knew it but I never noticed it until -

this time yeah and that's why when he says that

at the end it's like he's kind of revealing like

i think he respectfully like didn't bring up

that he knew how she distracted the teacher but

then you know when they were you know in that

final moment he was like it's not every day that

you find someone who will flash the teacher to

get you attention and because he knew he had

seen it just wasn't bringing it up i just just

never yeah because it was because the next scene

always confused me like Like, it didn't confuse

me, but it was like, oh, you know, he's asking

her, how did you get, and she's making, you know,

I charmed him with my wits. And I never noticed

that he had seen it. I never noticed that. And

he was aware. He was very aware. He was just,

he was just being chill about it. He was not

going to say anything, but yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

When was the last time before now that you watched

this? So I actually didn't rewatch it because

I kind of. Wanted to discuss it based on my memories

of it, but the last time I watched it was probably

Maybe a year ago So not that long ago because

it's the kind of thing I go back to every now

and then it's just a really easy Rewatch and

I think I was watching on a zoom chat a zoom

not chat sort of a zoom Rewatch with some people

at the time. Yeah It's been about Five years,

I think since I actually watched it But this

movie lives in my head Like absolutely you suck

you suck like, you know, don't even get me started

on YouTube. That's right mom Don't you like literally

I I know all of this stuff because like it's

just it's ingrained in my soul because it's one

of my favorite comedies Absolutely. It is is

more of a comedy than I like I think the darkest

part is in the it's in the outtakes when they

do the the outtakes at the end. I don't know

if you've ever seen those. You've seen those,

right? Of course, yeah. Okay, yeah. Can I get

a prophylactic? Yeah, no, not that part. Earlier,

when it's him and Cameron, when it's Michael

and Carrie, it's like, I've been waiting for

you for so long. When they try to do that, I'm

like, that's the darkest part of this entire

comedy adaptation of The Taming of the Shrew.

Oh, boy. I'll see you around, okay? Don't worry,

there's better for you and it's right here It's

very quotable it's definitely something that

My friends and I have sort of quoted throughout

the years and you have certain friends that like

You get attached to certain quotes And then repeat

them obviously. Yeah. Oh, yeah All the time.

So were you familiar with any of the other cast

before you watched the movie at the time? 25

years ago No, I was maybe Larry Miller because

I think he had a stint on mad about you I think

I had seen him on I want to make sure I'm scrolling

he plays he plays mr. Stratford I definitely

seen him around but I was interested because

the other teens like I always I think I'm going

to pronounce her name wrong, Larissa Olianek.

I mean, she was Alex Mack, right? Which was this

Nickelodeon series. But the biggest one was Andrew

Keegan, because I don't know if you know this,

because you weren't a teen girl, obviously. But

it was just a little bit too young for me at

the time, but he was like one of those actors.

There was a bunch of them that really didn't

do that much, but somehow they became these like

teen beat, teen bopper, tiger beat stars. So

at the time of, this was like earlier, like 1993,

1994, I think he was in some film called Camp

Nowhere. And he was, yeah, I don't know. Honestly,

I never knew what he did. I just knew that his

face, along with like Devin Sawa and Jonathan

Taylor Thomas. We only JTT from home. We knew

what he did. Yeah, but but there were a couple

of other guys I was like, who are these guys

like there's writer strong from boy meets world

and I don't really get that one But I never really

I never really got into Keegan either and again

I was a little bit too old for this at the time

just because I had kind of outgrown my tiger

beat face But he was everywhere on that and and

really he hadn't done much but he was like this,

you know bit like teen heartthrob So I remember

when I saw him this movie, this would have been

like four or five years that I was like, oh,

that guy is still around. And then that was actually

how I know him now, because before I was just

like, it has his face on every teen beat. Who

is this guy? And so, of course, yeah, he was

in this film and I knew him going into it. I

didn't know Gabrielle Union because this was

pre bring it on, I believe. Yeah, I want to say

it was. Yeah, I knew her I I've known her since

this of course. She's a she's an icon. I love

Gabrielle Union. Oh, yeah What is it? Yeah, so

her debut was get this her two her three big

breakout films right before bringing on She's

all that ten things. I hate about you and love

and basketball She played Shawnee that I think

the younger version of one of the characters

in love and basketball Yeah, the brothers two

can play that game Abandoned welcome to Collin

would deliver us from Eva. She was in cradle

to the grave, which I love she was in bad boys,

too Yeah, so she she talked about the filming

of this movie actually in her Autobiography,

which I recommend to everybody called we're gonna

need more wine And she's great and she talked

about sort of playing because she was often cast

in that role Which can be a little racialized

at times sort of fat like the best friends with

a little bit of attitude type But she really

enjoyed the filming of this movie She said the

cast was really close and they had a really great

time because they were all kind of these young

People and she was like maybe a little bit older.

I believe not a lot older But maybe a couple

of years older than some of them because she

was in her 20s for sure Um, but yeah So it was

it was quite it was pretty great cast and the

supporting cast again is amazing. Larry miller

is fantastic But also alison alison janey as

the oh my god Yeah, guidance counselor writing

erotica on the side I I knew her face like I

had no I I had seen her in a probably a bunch

of things but not really connected that much

because I The West Wing I had started at this

time, but I did not watch it yet. And of course,

she's just become like iconic since then and

she's like, you know, a fantastic actress. So

I like watching it now and just be like, oh,

Allison, Janie, that's so funny because it's

such a little bizarre little role with her like

sort of twirling away at these erotic novels

while having to deal with these annoying students.

Yep, yep, yep. And then the English teacher,

Daryl Chill Mitchell. I don't know where I knew

him from, but again, before this, House Party

1 and 2, those really weren't my types of films

when I was 10 and 11. Boomerang in 92, I was

12. Sergeant Bilko, I remember him from that

thin line between love and hate. I remember him

from that. And then we have this movie and then

he was in Galaxy Quest and he was in Black Knight

in 2001. Yeah, and then he switched over to TV

or maybe he was doing TV at the same time. He

was a random guy in club and Claire's case in

an episode of the Cosby show in 85 So I mean

getting your debut on the Cosby show say what

you will about the the criminal But the show

itself, you know, like wow. Yeah He was just

Dexter Walker main cast for John Larroquette

He was in he was one of the players in the wheelchairs

in the Mad Hops episode of law and order criminal

intent And I guarantee you, I can tie almost

every one of these actors to a Law and Order

series. Because everybody's been in Law and Order.

Exactly. Law and Order sort of, yeah. Well, that's

like the Grey's Anatomy of cop shows in the sense

that like, because you got to bring in new criminals

and new victims every week, right? New suspects.

So it does the gamut of everyone who's around

kind of gets to be on Law and Order at some point.

which I find it was, because Grey's Anatomy's

been on for so long, it's like, oh, they were

a patient on Grey's Anatomy. House was a little

bit like that at the time, too. And David Krummels,

I knew, who, he was sort of, he was the elf in

the Santa Claus franchise, but I kind of, he

was around as well, there was a bunch of, at

the time. He was Bernard, yeah, in Santa Claus.

But his filmography, I mean, he was... Joel Glicker

in Adam's Family Values. He was Barry Corman

in Life with Mikey. So Life with Mikey in Adam's

Family Values in 93, Santa Claus in 94, Clums

in Beverly Hills, 10 Things. Storm. Did you say

the ice storm? Yeah, the ice storm in 97. Yep,

yep. I knew him from that because I really enjoyed

that film. He was in Ray as Milt Shaw. But really

after this and outside of the Santa Claus stuff

Where you really know him from is a show that

I never thought I would ever watch because I

don't do math But he was professor Charlie Epps

in numbers and finally somebody a television

show actually made me enjoy doing math to handle

money. Math is more than formulas and equations.

It's logic. It's rationality. It's using your

mind to solve the biggest mysteries we know.

I never watched it. I never I was really anti

CBS procedural at the time I mean I still kind

of am anti CBS procedural, but there were certain

Shows I would check up. I didn't know I didn't

really watch that He was in he was in he was

in serenity. Yep. He had a role in that so I

knew him from that Did you ever watch taxi? with

Tony Danza and all them? Not all of them. I took

TV in school and so I watched a few episodes

of it. They would show us some really great classic

series. I've never seen the Mary Tyler Moore

Show, but I've seen that episode with the Death

of the Clown, Bobo the Clown, a billion times

because it was the kind of thing that would be

brought up in TV discourse. So no, I have not

properly watched it. Okay, well the only reason

why I'm at and you'll really only have to watch

like two episodes to really get this so the thing

with numbers is it's it's David Krumm Holtz as

one of the brothers Don Epps plays the FBI agent

brother and their father is Judd Hirsch who was

in taxi he was One of the taxi drivers along

with Tony Danza in taxi and Judd Hirsch has been

in everything. Judd Hirsch was in, he was Will

Smith, not Will Smith, I'm sorry to say that,

that's the wrong thing. He was Jeff Goldblum's

dad in Independence Day. He's been everywhere.

So numbers. Yeah, I love Judd Hirsch, yeah. Numbers

is awesome. But yeah, let's see, what else here?

The thing about this movie is that it makes it

so interesting is that every time you watch it,

or at least every time I watch it, it doesn't

change. And what I mean by that, it doesn't change,

and obviously it's not going to change, but you

know how you go back and you rewatch certain

things, you're like, ooh, I really shouldn't

have liked this. This isn't one of those. Yeah,

like the the end of the plot twist in Ace Ventura

does not hold up That's one that I was recently

I was like, oh that is so transphobic like it's

those those kind of moments or things that you're

like Yeah, the linchpin of that was just really

horrible Yeah, there's a few of those but this

one. Yeah. No, it's it. I agree. It holds up

every time I think I think teen movies honestly

do really well for the most part, especially

90s teen movies and early 2000s teen movies.

They do hold up. There's some stuff in the 80s.

Some of them can be a little bit rapey, but the

90s stuff I find in general kind of stands the

test of time. What I find interesting about this

is this was Gil Ungers. I'm assuming it's Unger.

It's spelled J -U -N -G -R -G -E -R, but I don't

want to. This was his directorial debut and he's

only directed Four other films besides this black

night. If only he directed a a Cancelled ten

things I hate about life film It was not supposed

to be a direct sequel to this. Thank god because

this film does not need a sequel But and I didn't

even know that I didn't eat it like I the two

things I know about this movie is this movie

and I knew it had a really really whacked out

TV short -lived TV series I did I did because

Not at the time, but I think You know in the

early days of streaming how Netflix just had

a bunch of random stuff on it I think that was

one of them and it was kind of like Yeah, you

know, if you were sick or you were just kind

of killing time at some point, and I have kids

now, so I don't kill time anymore. But at the

time, it was like 13 episodes or something. So

I did binge watch them and I don't really remember

much from the experience. It wasn't horrible.

It was like a pleasant time. Nothing to write

home about. The movie's better. Of course it

is. Yeah. I'm the only good. No, I was going

to say that I would say that's probably usually

the case with a few exceptions, but it wasn't

it wasn't bad. You know, it was it was kind of

classic teen fair for the time. I'm not sure

if it was ABC Family. Yes, it was. Yeah, ABC

Family, July 7th, 09 to May 24th. Yeah, which

is not like Spark or something. Oh, they changed

it again. It used to be freeform. Oh, that's

it freeform. I was gonna say, wait a minute.

They changed their name again. I have no idea.

I think spark might have been like some channel

in Canada that showed that content or something

because I have that in my head. I don't know

why I would just say sparking of nowhere. It's

got to be a real thing. I could not have just

made that up. The director of the film was a

consultant on the TV series. But other than that,

the only two other connections to the film is

that Richard Gibbs did the theme music just like

he did the music for the movie and then Larry

Miller returned as Did he wait a minute I know

he's on him. Where's his name? Why? Yeah Yeah,

he was the dad again, but everything else is

new and different and it was a TV like There's

certain movies that can continue on as a TV show

if you want to can have them continue on as a

TV show but there are certain movies that can

just Like this has a beginning middle and end.

It doesn't really leave you like Every time I've

seen this movie, the bazillion times I've seen

it, it never leaves me wanting more. Yes, would

I like to have seen more with these actors as

these characters? Yeah, sure. That's not what

happened, obviously. But it's one of those things

where at the end of the day, I look at this movie

and I'm looking at it and I'm like, yeah, I'm

good. I like this story as a self -contained

story. Yeah, I think so. I mean, but I'm always

open to seeing what people do with it because

you know a lot of times now it's quite common

to just sort of take the very loose premise of

a movie or a property and then build a TV series

around it that's really almost nothing like it.

I mean, I don't know if you've seen Mr. and Mrs.

Smith, but it's a fantastic TV series. It's got

almost nothing to do with the movie. other than

it happens to be two spies with the aliases Mr.

and Mrs. Smith, but the premise is completely

different. They're not two married spies who

don't realize each other are spies. They're two

people getting paired up to become pretend married

spies in the field. So, you know, sometimes people

take a property and that's how they get show

made, right? To be like, okay, well, what if

we, you know, take something people have heard

of and do something different with it. But that's

not what they did with this one. It was pretty

much just kind of a drawn out version of the

story, which again, wasn't bad because it because

it was, you know, their half hour episodes. And

so it was, you know, kind of classic teen fair,

like will they won't they, you know, touching

on some of the scenes, building on other stories,

it wasn't. It's not horrible. You know, you really

just telling teen stories at the time, but it

takes the the bite and the the originality what

really made this shine, which is the structure

of the taming of the shrew. You know what I mean?

That structure. It's sort of like clueless, right?

I don't know if you know. I mean, I didn't watch

that TV series because it was pretty horrible.

But what makes clueless work is is the structure

of Emma. It's also obviously the fantastic writing

in the way that it's updated in the characters

and everything But when you take that structure

from behind it it kind of yeah, it loses its

bite And I think that's what I would say by the

TV series. It wasn't it was perfectly pleasant.

It just didn't have that That structure behind

it that made it those beats that made it really

work. Yeah, absolutely Uh, we're going to go

through Julie. Well, we already went through

Julie. So I think the last major one we got to

talk about is unfortunately the one that's been

without us for 16 years. He's been gone that

long. I can't believe it. But, uh, like I said,

what a debut to have for Heath Ledger with 10

things. And then he would go on to do the Patriot,

A Knight's Tale, which I love both those movies.

I remember watching Monsters Ball. I remember

hearing about it. I don't remember watching it

though. He was in Brokeback Mountain, he was

in The Brothers Grimm, he was in Lords of Dogtown,

he was in Candy I'm Not There, and then posthumously

The Dark Knight and the Imaginarium of Dr. whatever,

Parnassus or whatever the hell that is. I don't

know how to pronounce, I'm not even gonna try,

but oh man. Just between Patrick Verona, Gabriel

Martin, William Thatcher between the if he did

nothing else past that which luckily he did do

some stuff obviously But like those three roles

are three very different characters that I absolutely

love him as an actor and made me want to see

him in more things I don't think I've ever seen

brokeback Mountain not because of the content

of the movie just because it was just never on

my radar in 2005 was a weird year for me for

movies and then obviously his transformation

here to the Joker for the Dark Knight, which,

you know, was technically the last thing. And

then looking at his TV credits, I'm like, I don't

remember any of this stuff. Like, the only thing

I remember is the documentary that they did,

I Am Heath Ledger. But no, what a guy, what an

actor. Well, yeah, that's I mean, that was the

impression that I took away from the film more

than anything else was who is this guy? I mean,

that's partly being a woman for me because I

mean, he was but he was so charming and he was

kind of just a little bit off center, like different

than the kind of, you know, teen heartthrobs

I was seeing in movies at the time. And. Yeah,

he was just really compelling and it obviously

made that impact because he his career trajectory

after that was very similar to there's always

these guys and they get some of them are better

than others and it's usually not their fault

they have this big hit and it's sort of like

people are like this is the next guy this is

the guy right and then they're sort of in a lot

of films for the next little while and some of

them tank some of them are good and then it's

what they do after that that kind of determines

their career trajectory, because some of them

you just don't really hear from that much ever

again, because some of the movies seem, it was

like, you know, he was just, they kind of cast

him into tons of things, right? He was in Casanova

as well, I believe, around the same. Casanova?

I would have to look again. I think so. Again,

it's so unmemorable to me. Yeah, let's see here.

Where is he? Yes, 2005, Casanova played, he played

Casanova. the four feathers. Yep. So yeah, like,

you know, after 10 things, he just kind of did

a lot of things. And then he, yeah, he kind of

settled into, you know, some of the stronger

stuff he was doing, like I think Brokeback Mountain

is, you know, fantastic. And, you know, that

was probably the thing that really cemented him

as this like fantastic actor. Outside of sort

of the commercial stuff You know because that

was such it was his performance and that is insane.

It's so Tight, it's like understated, but it's

it's like he's like a wired coil or something

I don't know if I'm getting the expression right,

but he's just yeah He's so good in that and then

of course, you know the dark night, you know

blew everybody to the water and unfortunately

You know was a positive his performance Yeah.

Not a posthumous performance, a posthumous release.

Obviously, he did not perform it after his death.

That would be a totally different thing. Why

so serious? But yeah, because, you know, you

see that a lot. Like I remember when Jude Law,

when that Jude Law went through that, when it

was like every movie just starred Jude Law for

like three years. And I think Chris Rock made

a joke about that at the Oscars that Sean Penn

didn't think was funny because Sean Penn doesn't

think anything is funny. But I think it was that

year at the Oscars. Chris Rock was like, who

is this Jude Law? And why is he in every movie

I've seen? And he was like, sir, Jude Law is

one of the finest young actors of our generation.

I'm like, man, he's just making a joke. He didn't

even say he was bad. He was just like, this guy's

everywhere. And it's true, right? Because these

guys who have this charisma and this kind of

marketability as well, right? You got to be good

looking. You got to kind of have that hero vibe

to you. And again, when they show themselves

to be more than that, that's when they kind of

have these long careers like Jude Law and like

Heath Ledger, I'm sure would have had, had it

not been for his tragic passing, right? But they

really rushed to kind of cast them and like,

right, like, yeah, some of that stuff, like you

probably could have done without like The Four

Feathers was a pretty bad film. The Order was

really bad. The Brothers Grimm was also really

bad. But again, it was like you're you get all

of these scripts at once, you know, and people

are just like Trying to to turn you into the

next big thing and you kind of gotta just be

a little cautious about it But you didn't do

too badly, right? Like yeah, I mean well, I like

I said between 99 and what does it owe through

it? Like I said Yeah, well technically two years.

99 you got 10 things, 2000 you got Patriot, and

2001 you got A Knight's Tale. So technically

three full years, but two years in movie speak.

You know, those are all three very different,

very interesting roles. And the only thing I'll

say about Julia again is looking at her filmography

again is I forgot how much Shakespeare she actually

did in her early career. Although she didn't

do any actual Shakespeare though, did she? Well

in the sense that she was you know, like she

wasn't doing all of her Shakespeare was adaptations

in modern language, right? Yes, because I don't

have any memory of her speaking Shakespearean

Well, she was Ophelia in Hamlet with with what's

his name? Hawk Ethan Hawk. Yeah, maybe maybe

that was actually in Shakespearean language It

was okay. She was desi braby in Oh, which is

an adaptation of Othello. Yeah Then yep, and

then what was the other one there was another

one down here? Well, obviously ten things, but

I swear there was a separate one She's Mona Lisa

smile forgot about that Yeah, that had a big

height had that set. It's a huge cast on it.

It's such a huge height, but I just thought it

was gonna Then she would go on to play a recurring

character Nicolette Nikki Parsons in the born

films opposite Matt Damon, which When she showed

up in those I was like, ooh yay. What let's have

more with this character, please Let's see. Yeah,

she's a person who who never really became a

big star for sure. Like she had there was kind

of moments where after after Save the Last Dance

was probably like, is she going to be, you know,

the next Jennifer Lawrence or well at that time,

you know, before Jennifer Lawrence, but that

kind of or, you know, and she she did well enough,

but she never really broke out after that. And,

you know, I think she also took time off and

did I think she was one of those people who focused

on school, I could be wrong, maybe I'm confusing

her with Lili Sobieski, but I know that some

of them lean into let's make 12 million movies

because we're in high demand. And then some of

them are like, let's take some time and I don't

need to be this huge star, I just wanna work

in interesting projects, which I think she's

done. like big split in her act in her film career

that I see is from 2009 to 2012 so 2010 and 2011

she wasn't doing anything film wise and 2010

she was on Dexter for 10 episodes 2012 she was

in Midnight Sun for a TV movie Yeah, she kind

of fell out of the mainstream for a while I know

that I when she was when she appeared on Dexter

I was like, oh, yeah Julia styles I've thought

about her in a while like what she been up to

so I think she was working consistently but just

sort of not in Super blockbuster. Yeah, or the

big mainstream projects that I've heard of but

but the deck her Dexter arc was really Really

cool. That was a very cool season of Dexter This

movie folks if you haven't seen this movie go

check it out go you can find it on all the streaming

stuff What was your favorite? scene from this

Whoo favorite scene that is tough. I don't know

that I have One standout scene from this they

just it's it's very consistent all the way through

I think yeah, I don't think there's like a bad

scene in this movie No, so I don't know if I

don't know if I have a favorite I think I mean

anything with Heath Ledger was the standout for

me, right? He's the one I wanted to watch more

than anything else So kind of anything with him

in it was my favorite that arc But you know,

the other stuff was really funny too. And yeah,

so I don't know I don't know if I have a favorite

favorite scene, but certainly like the stuff

with Heath Ledger is probably I really do I guess

that the the One of my favorite moments is is

when he's trying to figure out why everyone is

into Bianca. Because everyone keeps trying to

like, you know, he's got people wanting Bianca

from two sides, right? And he's just like, what

is it with this chick? Does she have beer flavored

nipples or something? Karen was like, hey now.

Right, and I like how he doesn't get it. I've

always found that because that's how I was like,

you know, it's an aspect of him makes him immediately

appealing is that he's not at all interested.

Bianca like not just as romantically just like

he's like okay like what's the deal with this

girl right and I enjoy that because it sort of

you know shows how much like he kind of has that

inner integrity or that inner you know I wouldn't

say integrity because he is taking money to you

know trick people but yeah but I mean it shows

that he's His well, I guess he has good taste

is my point as he's not He doesn't look at this

beautiful kind of vapid girl and go. Oh, yeah,

that's what I want, right? He's just like not

at all interested in that. So That's that's Joey's

job Unfortunately, but you know, it's also camera.

It's also Cameron's though. That's the thing

now Cameron Cameron is a little bit more like

Joey does not Joey's not her age Joey is cat

and and and Patrick's age Joey's He's the true

crime character in this movie the giant him bow

he is yeah, he doesn't have really any redeeming

qualities and I guess you know, it's not that

Cameron obviously Develops a connection with

Bianca that's genuine but but he but you know

at the outset He's just a boy looking at this

girl. He doesn't know who's pretty and popular.

He's like, oh, you know That's how he starts

his plan, you know gets in as her French tutor.

Yeah, but You know, he's still he that's still

his ideal is my point without having the knowledge

that he eventually has which is that Bianca has

the Capability to be a sweet person to be an

interesting person and that's the part of her

that he would like to explore more of You know,

he's still kind of that that awkward kid, you

know, just looking at this beautiful popular

girl and wanting To be the one that's on her

arm Yeah, but it's more high. So the way I don't

know the way I look at those two Maybe they're

a year or two different in age. Maybe they're

the same age. I don't remember I'm not currently

looking at any information about the characters,

but whereas Joey he's a predator. Oh, yeah Yeah

I'm not saying it's creepy. I'm saying that it

differs from Patrick. They're interested in this

typical version of beauty, I guess is my point.

Yeah, no, it's not creepy that he's into her.

It just, you know, when he doesn't even know

who she is, he's looking at her as the ideal

woman, which, you know, Patrick doesn't even

have that on his radar is what I'm trying to

say. Yeah, yeah, no, it's not he's not no Joey

is I mean not only is he it's not that he's that

much older I think cats probably only a year

older. So it's not the age difference. That's

creepy. It's that he's literally just trying

to like bed her for you know for Stat for you

know, I don't know to notch on his bed, but whatever

he is He's a slimy predator for sure. Yeah, so

the thing with the money. Oh boy, so yes Some

guy paid me to take you out, but unfortunately

I fell in love with you at the scene. I instead

I fell in love with you and Even though in the

movie we see him now I'm assuming this is not

just the money that Joey gives him I'm assuming

Patrick somehow has his own money somewhere from

some job that we don't see But because I would

like to think that but he pays off the band leader

He pays off this guy that guy and the other guy,

but it's mainly for him to be able to have those,

like, the singing moment in the football field,

in the bleachers, or in the stands. And at the

end of the movie, he says, yeah, some asshole

paid me to take some chick out, but I fell in

love with her instead. And he bought her a Fender

Stratocaster. It wasn't like he was using the

money for ill -gotten gains or anything. Obviously,

he ends up in the right place. He's redeemable

and he's not coming at it from a sleazy perspective.

I would say it doesn't really matter what he

was going to use the money for. I think the premise

is hurtful. It's not so much the money, it's

that he was tricking her. He was tricking her

in the sense that he had an agenda. Whether or

not he was totally invested in that agenda is

kind of up for debate. I think that he found

her interesting and that's why he agreed because

he was like, yeah, okay, I get some cash and

this chick seems kind of interesting. I think

that that was part of the reason and I don't

think he intended any... foul play or ill will

or to really use her on a deep level. But absolutely,

it's a hurtful thing to do. And I don't think

it really matters what you're going to use the

money for. It matters that the deceit was there

that, you know, she's assuming that he just took

an interest in her on his own accord, you know,

and yet he's actually being pushed in that direction

and sort of. You know, she's being manipulated,

right? So so he did it. He did a crappy thing.

I can put that on him. But then if he didn't

do that, he'd have nowhere to grow. That's the

point. Right. Is that he always seemed like an

interesting guy with sort of this weird moral

code. But he. You know, was up for this little

deception or whatnot, whether it's purely for

the money or just for the entertainment of like,

OK, why not? He learned right. He did the right

thing. And you could see throughout that he genuinely

liked her. That was always very obvious. Right.

So it's not as though Like Joey doesn't really

care about Bianca at all and also, you know,

he's yeah So yeah, and that's why we're meant

to you know Forgive him fairly easily Yeah, I

think for that and yeah, and it's just it's it's

a funny way that they again it's it's a way that

the movie the way the adaptation of the movie

are written to the point of It really is a teen

romantic comedy version of that original four

hundred and something year old play. Yes. That

luckily is not as dark as that play. I don't

think that dark humor, that dark of humor could

play in 1999. I don't know. We weren't, we weren't,

the end of the world might have been as we knew

it, but it wasn't that dark. I mean, there's

a lot of sexist elements involved in the story

that I think they're handled pretty well. I think

they'd be maybe more overtly tackled now. The

guys who are trying to use these girls, whether

it's for money or whatever, they get their comeuppance,

right? But there's also this thing with her dad

who is kind of very overbearing and you know,

controlling, which they do address a little bit,

but it's, yeah, but you'd think that, I think

there would be a little bit more pushback from

the girls in terms of like, where are you telling

us? Like it's a weird thing to say, oh, you get

to date when she does, right? Like what a weird

controlling kind of thing to do. And you think,

I would think that Kat as sort of a feminist

would sort of, fight back against that more because

it's like, um, what, like, how is this like,

you can't really connect this thing or decide

that this is the scenario in which women are

allowed to date. Um, but it's funny cause that

character, the dad, Mr. Stratford, I always think

of him in the same, um, frame of mind as, uh,

shares dad on clueless. Cause Dan Hedaya's performance

was also very much like this kind of like, This

kind of like funny comical overbearing character,

right? Like in this film, Mr. Stratford makes

makes Bianca wear this pregnancy belly To say

like this is what could happen if you date you're

gonna end up pregnant. You're gonna um, it's

kind of very infantilizing um and in clueless

like share just kind of ignores all the things

that her dad tells her like it's kind of like

but he but he has this kind of like don't touch

my daughter or else vibe, you know, like when

she goes on a date, he comes down and he's like,

you know, like the death of Sammy Davis Jr. did

not leave an opening in the Brat Pack, you know,

like no one would miss you. He's just very kind

of like that. Yeah, that same kind of like overbearing

kind of protective vibe. Which is interesting

and I think the undertone here also is the fact

again This is something I wanted to make sure

I got right and I usually get it right every

time I watch the movie Is a single father with

two daughters Yeah Most single fathers with two

daughters whether the mother has passed on or

whether the mother in this case has left them

They're all hurting and they all don't know what

in the hell they're going what they're supposed

to do. It's a change in whatever. And from what

I can tell, the mom had left, I don't know, two,

three, four years ago, however many years ago

it was. And you see throughout the movie how

that comes up with each of the three characters

between Mr. Stratford, Bianca, and Kat. Bianca

and Kat kind of have a scene together with the

whole Pearls thing, and they kind of go at it

and whatever else. And I think the reason why

he is being so the overprotective father is,

number one, he says it himself. You know, kissing

isn't what keeps him up to placenta all day.

Like, oh my God, that line. OK, we know it. You're

a baby doctor. We get it. We get it. We get it.

OK. But that line just always gets me every time.

And he tries to be the cool dad, but he also

tries to be the strict dad and strict dad and

cool dad don't always you know have coffee together

in the morning because by the end of the film

once again like we said with with Heath's character

with Patrick it's a character growth type of

thing where Mr. Stratford mellows out a little

bit actually it's funny what are we up to now

we're up to five five hundred and something over

on the pullback I I have known for years Started

the pullback or comic book podcast back in 2013

for the past eleven and a half twelve years now

if I had ever gotten to episode 404 I knew exactly

what I wanted to do with that episode and I knew

exactly what or no not not not 404 411 Right

when I got to 411. I knew exactly what clip I

You know, I'm down. I got the 411. Yeah. Oh my

god, and I just stopped it there Yeah, not even

that like Wanted to have an episode of the podcast

where we talk like giving people information

about Like people are people who don't read comic

books like how where do I start? How do I so

it's like giving them the information of? Whatever

and yes, the whole line is, you know, my mama

didn't raise no fool. I'm down I got some water

but like down with the 401. It's like oh gotcha

Okay, so I'll cut that out and use that but yeah,

I mean again all with the exception of Joey and

his friend Don't remember what his friend's name

was the one that was like hey look virgin alert

your favorite. I forget what that guy's Oh, yeah,

I don't know. I don't know either. I'm not looking

it up I don't care but outside of them every

other character in this movie has it has an arc

in a turning point where They didn't go down

the wrong path of turning into bad characters

Yeah, absolutely. I think that's totally true.

I just think there's a dynamic about you know,

the single dad who's kind of in control of the

bodily autonomy of his daughters. And he rules

that through the dating. Well, not but he also

he enforces that not through discussion or information.

For the most part, he he enforces that through

strict rules and control. And so that's a that's

a you know, that's an aspect that I think is

interesting that they I mean, he does come around,

he obviously he's says she can go to college

wherever she wants, he comes around but I think

maybe if it were made now, there would be some

more discussion or some more elements of addressing

that early on because it is interesting. Yeah,

he's their caregiver, he's the adult and he should

be able to set some boundaries but it's that

weird dynamic of the bodily autonomy set by the

dad who isn't really consistently consulting

or interested in their opinions on what they

want to do with their bodies. Right. Yeah. It's

sort of like, oh, this is what's going to happen.

And that, you know, I'm up to my elbows and placenta.

Yeah. I mean, I get where he's coming from. I

completely understand. It's just sort of like,

is it his place? You know? But I think the premise

really works like I think it's the way that they

interpreted the the play. It's very good. Yeah.

And the only thing I can think of is, and I just

thought of this now as we've been talking about

it, all the torture that happens in the play,

all the psychological and all that and everything

else. They got it in this movie in one scene.

I want you to wear the belly. Daddy, not all

night, just around the room, so you understand

the weight of your... Yeah. Oh my God, they...

Fit it in fit it all in without having it to

be super and the thing like I come from divorced

parents My parents divorced when I was two years

old most of my young life. I lived with my mom

i've lived with my dad throughout You know throughout

my life as as I grew up and got older and stuff

like that so I think it's one of those things

where if you are a Let's just say single mom

single dad if you want to frame it like that

instead of divorced parents, whatever it is however,

you want to call it like Mothers with sons or

fathers with daughters or whatever kind of thing

like they each have they're like How do I approach

this subject with this child of mine? Like I

I don't know. I don't have kids I just know how

my parents talk to me Individually separate of

themselves because obviously they weren't together

anymore kind of thing. So I think he's doing

The best job he can the way he knows how but

throughout the movie like we said He gets to

a point where he eases up a lot. Um, and I think

it's on him as, as a father and as a, as a man,

like his wife left him, like he's got to be hurting

somehow too. And that's probably the other part

of the control that he's, I don't know what he

was like before his wife left him or anything,

but you know what I mean? Like, I think because

he's also hurting, that's what he knows to do.

Yeah, it does. It comes from a good place. He

definitely loves them. It's just that he has,

whether intentionally or not, he's infantilized

them as women because it's also a bit of that

old thing like, You know you get we have to enforce

a dress code for women because we never know

what the boys are gonna Do we can't trust them,

right? So he's kind of running his whole dating

policy Not based on what he thinks his daughters

are capable of and how he thinks they're going

to behave But how he thinks the men in their

world are going to treat them. Yes, which is

completely unfair, right? And it's how women

have been treated in general is sort of like

you better cover up because the boys can't control

themselves. And it's like, well, isn't that kind

of their problem? And he's sort of he's you know,

that's how he's ruling this dating policy is

entirely based on him thinking that some guys

are going to come and destroy their lives, which

takes away their agency. Right. And then he is

taking away their agency at the same time. So

anyway, that's that's my little mini. I mean,

I mean, I don't I don't I don't find it like

when I watch it, it doesn't come across as like,

Dated or like oh, I can't watch this anymore.

It's I I was aware of it at the time I'm just

slightly more aware of the nuance of it now just

you know being older and having read more and

and I think it'd be interesting I think if it

were I think there'd be maybe some more commentary

on on that aspect of it if it were a you know

a 2020 plus if it were if it were a Gen Z film

Now for years I had wanted to get the, I'm, and

I'm going to do a whole separate podcast episode

either on this show or on key cast or here or

somewhere about movies and movie novelizations.

I've all like literally I read the movie novelization

of judge dread, which has a whole hell of a lot

more in the book than it does in the movie. Then

I saw the movie after I read the book kind of

thing. So This movie had a scholastic corporation

novelization done of it, which it's retold as

in the film with each chapter written from the

point of view of either Bianca, Cameron, Kat,

Patrick, or Michael. I've wanted to get this

book for 25 years just to see, but then I read

somewhere where it was just like, yeah, it's

just kids like they've removed all the supposedly.

They've removed all the the the naughty bits

or whatever kind of thing. But I like reading

books where or seeing like like when movies do

voiceover from the point of perspective of the

character, like I like seeing that kind of stuff.

So I don't know, I'm going to track this book

down at some point just to see how it's written

on the page, even though I'm fine with just having

seen the movie for a bazillion times for the

past 25 years. I don't think I've ever read a

novelization of a movie that was done after the

fact. Really? No, I don't understand them because

I don't get who's writing them or why they would

be necessary because when you make a film of

a book that was previously written, you're taking

something that was in its original art form and

you're adapting it. The other way around seems

bizarre to me. I mean, I also don't know how

authentic they are in the sense of like, does

the studio just hire somebody to write a novelized

version to capitalize on the success of the property?

Because I don't think it has anything to do with

the filmmakers vision or what the filmmaker wanted

them to get more information that they couldn't

include in the script. I don't know, I could

be wrong, but I don't feel like that's what's

going on. I feel like it's... In this case, yeah.

Like I said, I think because it's a Scholastic

Corporation publication, Scholastic books everybody

knows, you know get the bookmobile at school,

etc, etc Berenstain bears all this and all that

and I don't know because I haven't read the book

but the book came out in June of 99 Which is

X number of months after the film came out. So

I think maybe I don't know why but again, I'm

curious to see How the book is like if it's each

it says each chapter is written from the point

of view of the characters So i'm curious to see

how that breaks the plot down of the movie the

only novelization I can attest that was I don't

want to say necessary, but i'll say like it wasn't

really necessary, but it was At a point where

it didn't matter When the film came out to when

the novelization came out because there was already

material before and that's Judge Dredd There

were the Judge Dredd comics and that's what the

movie the Stallone movie from 95 Oh god, that

movie's gonna be 30 years old next year. Oh boy

Oh boy Time machine gotta hate it, you know,

there was comics before that movie So that's

probably where the novelization got the extra

material from maybe I don't know. I just remember

At the time before I could get to go to see movies.

That was my way of seeing the movies before they

hit VHS or TV or whatever cuz back in those days

fuck back in the olden days folks in the 80s

We had to wait a year and a half before the thing

came to VHS Yeah, yeah, like, you know, so yeah

that turn around time has really changed a I

just saw Beetlejuice Beetlejuice in theaters,

I feel like yesterday, and it's already coming

to streaming. That's crazy to me. I guess it's

a whole different model. It's a whole different

model, but it's also a thing of, look where we

were four years ago. Everybody was at home. No

one could go to the movies in 2020. You know,

so the studios had to change TV, movie, all that,

and you would see theater, like I remember before

they changed their name from Voodoo to Fandango

at home. Voodoo, the digital Walmart thing that

Walmart I think still owns or used to own, or

I don't know how any of that works anymore. But

like, because I've had a Voodoo account for years,

and they're like... theater at home by this movie

and watch it at home because you can't go to

the theater kind of thing and it's We've all

been a part of this whole instantaneous internet

must -have now thing for the last I want to say

close to 20 or more years But it's one of those

things where the pandemic kind of changed everything

to where it's like. Oh my god, we can't go do

what we used to go do, or we can't do this, or

we can't do that, so let's have everything at

home. And that's where I think the initial changeover

of instantaneous, it's in theaters one week,

and it did really good, so let's just immediately

put it on streaming. Yeah, it accelerated the

process, for sure, because the turnaround time

had already gotten much shorter. you know, to

DVD and then to streaming, but the COVID, the

pandemic definitely accelerated that process.

I mean, the thing is, I don't mind waiting. I

just, I mean, I want to watch things on streaming

most of the time rather than movie theaters for,

you know, several reasons. One, it's getting

so expensive to go to. I just, I can't with three

kids. It's like a whole logistical puzzle now.

So I enjoy the fact that I can watch things on

streaming, but I guess I'm not like, Desperate

for it to be so fast like I don't mind if I hear

something's coming to theaters as long as I know

it's eventually coming to streaming I'm like

I can wait for that. Yeah, but because I think

that there is some value for other people who

can do it To have that theater experience like

I was just kind of like really Beetlejuice Beetlejuice

was literally just maybe they made up, you know

They might have wanted in streaming in time for

Halloween. That might be it. That could be the

thing to be honest because you know, it is a

spooky things. So perhaps they were trying to

capitalize on the people who would stream it

on Halloween. I don't know. But I don't mind

waiting, you know, because there are things I

will get to see in theaters, and that's fine.

And if I don't, then I'm happy to wait for it

to come to streaming so long as it does. Yeah,

but yeah, that it's just like whiplash all of

a sudden. It's right there. So remember, folks,

no context parenting. Apples are always acceptable

collateral damage. Yes, that was a that was a

Facebook post that I that I wrote I kind of like

to take little things that I find myself saying

that when I all of a sudden I like stop and be

like that was the weirdest thing I've ever said

related to parenting and then just put it out

of context on Facebook and that the context of

that actually was that we were planning an apple

picking trip. And I was telling my family that

it would be a good way for the kids to burn off

energy before Thanksgiving dinner rather than

destroying the house. And I was like, you know,

because usually they're so destructive. I said,

but apples are acceptable collateral damage.

I was like, boy, that is You know, there's there's

you know, yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot

of certain things or not weapons that becomes

I think another one was potatoes or not a weapon

there was you know, we don't bring hooks into

restaurants like just These are the kind of things

that you find yourself saying because they will

Come up with the dumbest most destructive things

to do and you kind of need to Reel them back

in but you you never thought those words would

come out of your mouth and they definitely don't

make sense if you if you're not right in that

situation. I just I love doing out -of -context

things online because it's like I agree like

literally um so before we kind of close this

out because we're way off the movie at this point

folks but Jax, Jude and Jamie those are your

children yes they are yeah oh boy are y 'all

done now Yes, I am done. I had my not too much

risk of TMI. I did have my tubes removed at this

point because I had a C -section and they ask

if you want them to remove your tubes while you're

in there. If you have a certain amount of kids

or a certain age, they just ask as an option

because it's obviously normally you probably

make a guy get a vasectomy, but if they're already

poking around in there. Might as well. Yeah,

and there's some benefits too. It can help to

prevent ovarian cancer and things like that.

It wouldn't necessarily be worth cutting you

open for no reason, but again, they've already

sliced you open. That's it. I've got three boys

aged five and a half and almost three and seven

weeks. That's enough. I think that's that's enough.

That's enough. Yeah, that's good. Isn't right.

The other thing, folks, is Jennifer and I, we

have been friends for 10 years as of this past

September 28th. First, we first started as through

Melissa. It was through television. That's right.

And her show with. Whatever on her website at

the time and we've done various things off and

on and the last thing I'll mention back to the

movie is I've had this memory in me for years

because a friend of mine's page shared it years

ago, but it's a photo of the lunch scene of Heath

on the left And Joseph Gordon -Levitt on the

right, that moment when you find out the Joker

and Robin went to high school together. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we didn't talk about Joseph Gordon -Levitt.

That's funny, because he was he was he was well

known from Third Rock from the Sun. So he kind

of had that going into it. But yeah, he became

a really kind of serious actor after that. Not

not right away. It took him a couple, I would

say maybe half a decade to kind of find his groove

in terms of people taking him. Seriously, I'm

putting him in those really good roles, but he's

become sort of that that really Tour guy, I guess

yeah, so what would you say is your overall if

you had to pick one favorite quote from the movie

because there's so many quotes You have a favorite

It's so out of context and no one like I always

I always have to do both sides of it because

no one ever does it back You suck, you suck.

I think mine might be the beer flavored nipples

one or there's another one which it's not even

the best quote but it's just one of my friends

and I used to say to each other the time it was

the I know you can be overwhelmed and you can

be underwhelmed but can you ever just be well

I think you can in Europe. So I used, and again,

it's funny, tying into superheroes, I used Over,

Under, and Welmed because of this movie, but

also they reference it in Young Justice. Robin's

like... Robin does that exactly, literally. Like,

there's overwhelmed and there's underwhelmed.

Can you ever just be whelmed? I just want to

be whelmed one of these days. Oh my god, that's

so funny. Yeah, they literally reference it in

the animated series Young Justice. Oh, boy wonder.

The bat sent you to drag me out to prison. Frankly,

I'm underwhelmed. First time at the hall, I'm

a little overwhelmed. You're overwhelmed. Freeze

was underwhelmed. Why isn't anyone ever just

whelmed? But yeah, no. Joseph Gordon Levitt really

quick for I sent it to an ad break folks debuted

in 1992 as student number one in Beethoven Went

to a river runs through it which he played a

young Norman McLean which a river runs through

it Isn't that the River Phoenix movie or is am

I thinking of something else? I Don't remember

off top my head first movie I saw him in was

angels in the outfield with him and Danny Glover

and a bunch of other people Christopher Lloyd

was in that He was in H2O 20 years later for

Halloween. As you mentioned, Third Rock from

the Sun for TV. He's in 500 Days of Summer. He

was in The Interview. Oh, that's right, he played

himself in The Interview. I hated that movie.

Oh god, yeah. And then, is he in More Than Just

One? Yes, he is. Where really I've noticed him

lately is in the Knives Out franchise. He's in

Knives Out as Detective Hard Rock voice, and

he's in Glass Onion as hourly Dong voice. Oh

my God. But yeah, like you said, Third Rock on

TV. He was in... I think I remember the episode

of L .A. Law that he was in, but I probably don't

because I haven't seen L .A. Law in forever.

I do not see a Law and Order credit on him though.

Unless I'm scrolling fast. Uh, L .A. Law, no.

But, haha, tying to another show, he was Scott

Reynolds in the episode Sacrifice of Numbers

with David Krumholtz. Yeah, so they were reunited.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's awesome. All right,

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Would we recommend this film to people of course?

Yeah, of course, of course. I don't think we'd

be doing a 25th anniversary I think this is you

know that when you when if you bother to do that

unless it's like one of those Like the worst

films of all time. Let's talk about them. Then

I think it's safe to say that you'd recommend

them to be Kind of hoping because we're recording

this and people will probably hear this later.

I don't later earlier. We're recording this on

October I was hoping at some point that I think

there is a blu -ray version of it out there somewhere

I don't remember but I was hoping there would

be a foot I'm I've been like Delving into focus.

I have a 4k TV. I've had a 4k TV since 2018 And

I'm like, ooh, 4K. I want the best possible quality

I can get on the television. And I don't think

there's a 4K release of this yet. There needs

to be. I don't think there is. I honestly stopped.

I keep forgetting that people have physical copies.

Well, that's not entirely true. We have a minivan

now, because again, three kids. And it has one

of those little... back little players that the

kids can watch TV on and so I I had to dig through

a bunch of like stuff and I was like do I have

any I went to value village which is I think

the Canadian version of super savers and you

know picked up a bunch of old Disney movies like

hard copies because I was like Jesus who has

these so yeah no I've stopped I've stopped I

don't know Don't know and I I I've had the TV

since 2018 I've had a 4k blu -ray player since

2021 and Yeah, I'm getting back into physical

media because If the internet ever goes out which

technically the power would go out because probably

the computers control the power lines nowadays,

but If we only had the electricity and we didn't

have the internet anymore, at least I could watch

my physical media. Well, it's true. Yeah, that

is true. But I'd probably just read a lot of

books at that point. I do still have books. That's

the physical media that I do cling to. But the

rest, I've kind of had to say, no, I don't need

this. I have a big 1980s style CD, 90s style

CD case. So all the actual cases, they're just

in my hall closet and the actual discs are in

this giant 120 CD holder that I have. So it's

very low key. You wouldn't even know them. You'd

have to look at it to see it, to recognize it,

but yeah. I'm really getting back into physical

media because I miss bonus features. I miss common

to So many times most of like if I buy if I buy

a movie on whatever service and I don't just

stream it Most of the time they don't come with

special features if they do it's like here's

a blooper which blooper reels are great But like

there's no commentaries. So that's the other

thing with me in physical media It's like if

I actually want to hear what the the people working

on the thing we're thinking of at the time Yeah,

got to go with that physical media. Interesting.

Yeah, I'd forgotten about that stuff. I did.

I was never really super into that because it

just it was a time consuming. I think the only

property I really did that for was was the Lord

of the Rings. I did listen to a lot of commentary,

of course, the extended editions, all of that

stuff. But but yeah, I haven't I've kind of gone

off, especially with TV shows. I felt like there

was just, you know. Yeah, it just depends. Interesting.

All right, zero to five with half points. What

are you going to give 10 things I hate about

you? I'm going to give it a five. just based

on the longevity, the fact that we're here 25

years later still talking about it. And it's

this sort of like, you know, little sort of teen

film. At the time, I probably would have said,

Oh, I don't know. It's like a four. Like, I really

enjoyed it. But I'm trying to judge it against

the best movies of all time. So for judging it

for like, you know, in just enjoyability, not

like against Schindler's list, then yeah, then

it's a five for me for sure. What would make

you want to judge this against shit? Wow. Well,

you know what I mean? Like I'm trying to say

if you were like right Yeah, if you were trying

to literally give something a star rating based

on just exclusively the quality of it not taking

into account How much do you enjoy it? How often

do you want to rewatch it? Cuz I'll be honest.

I don't often want to rewatch Schindler's list

or you know or Most of those films, you know,

I'll be like well that was a piece of art, but

I probably will never watch it again so, you

know for judging it based on like a combination

of this was well done and I and it like it's

one of the most enjoyable things I've ever seen

then yeah five for sure Absolutely. I'm right

there with you. All right, folks. That's gonna

do it for us You got anything you want to promote

anything? You're working on anything you're doing

anything you got coming up before I run through

the closing No, I'm just I'm just hoping, you

know, eventually when my kids get a little bit

older, I'll get back into doing some of this

stuff more. It's always a treat because I get

to do that with you every once in a while. And

that's really the only time I ever do it these

days because I'm so busy with my kids and with,

you know, trying to build other careers on the

side. So, yeah, one of these days, hopefully

I'll get back into a lot more a lot more chatting

about media because I do love it. Hey, you're

always welcome any idea you want to bring to

me as long as it's not horror Franchise i'm good.

So Yeah, well that was evident when I started

complaining about paw patrol then you were like

come talk about it That's a that's a horror in

itself, isn't it though What episode was I don't

my god, how do I not remember what episode number

that was anyway, I usually remember them all

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