STUDIO 2009
Boba Fett Season 1 and The Mandalorian Season 3

About this Episode
Hi, I'm Michael Hirsch. I've enjoyed a great
career in animation and produced a lot of the
shows that you grew up with. And I'm pleased
to be here with Geekcast Radio. Hey, it's Mistress
Carrie, and you are listening to Studio 2009.
Steven Rood, isn't that the, um... He was the
Water Merchant and he was in News Radio. He was
Bill from, um... Oh, yes! Yes, yes. King of the
Hill. And then he was a camera of the character's
name, but he was in Office Space. He was the
guy with the stapler. Milton. Yeah, Milton. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. That's what I thought. Yeah, the
first thing I thought of was Milton. I was like,
Milton! Yeah. Yeah, that's gonna be one of my
criticisms of both of these shows, are the cameos.
It's some... Oh, yeah. Oh, don't... Buddy we're
gonna have fun. Okay, what those can well and
then they did the weird irony is the one that
bothered me the least Hated the most Because
I didn't know who she was. Oh, yeah. Well cuz
yeah, we'll get into that. All right All right,
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Hello and welcome back into our studio. You are
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Network. I'm of course TFU and Mike. Joining
me once again as always for Star Wars stuff is
Mr. David Draper. Hi Dave, how are you? I'm hanging
in there. That's good, that's good. Not dead
yet. Yeah, not dead yet. That's good, that's
good. Absolutely. Today we head once again to
a galaxy far, far away. That's right, we continue
the 12 months of Star Wars spotlight here inside
the studio and we make our way past the Skywalker
Saga. Thank God for now. Today we will be discussing
Bulbafest Season 1 and the Mandalorian Season
3. But first... Do I get to make noises for those?
Yes. Okay, so Bulbafest Season 1 is like, aww.
You're both gonna aww. We'll get to them. We'll
get to them. We got a lot to talk about this
time. But first, a tangent because ladies and
gentlemen, in the news now, the Acolyte is not
getting a season two. It has been disavowed.
It's done. I know that's crossing genres between
Star Wars and Mission Impossible. No, but that's
the best. I've seen two or three videos on this
and that's the best it's been disavowed. The
story now is that they pulled all the merchandise
from the Disney store. Although apparently, if
someone used the way back machine, there was
only four shirts to begin with. Brilliant. I
know you have your whole thing, and I'm going
to let you do your whole thing. OK, OK, OK. I'm
sorry. No, no, no. But for me, on the acolyte,
and I think I've said this in the other episodes
that we've briefly talked about the show kind
of thing, as it's been in the news, I don't care.
I won't watch unless somebody pays and I've said
this before and I don't think anyone will unless
somebody pays me $50 per episode so that's eight
episodes whatever that ends up being if you pay
me $50 per of those eight episodes I will watch
the acolyte and I will do a podcast on it for
that season that it gets because it's not gonna
get another one that's fine but for me Star Wars
starts at Phantom Menace and goes through Jedi
into Mando and Boba and Ahsoka and all the stuff
they're doing now. This 100 years before the
Skywalker Saga stuff, like, I don't know how
they expect us to get, like, take any character
that they've introduced since 1983, so since
Jedi. You've got all the stuff in the prequel
trilogy. You've got all the new characters there
with Jimmy Smits as, oh god. Bill Organa. Bill
Organa. You've got Natalie Portman as Luke's
mom. Ed May, Madala. Yeah, all that. Yeah. You
finally have a young Anakin Skywalker in Hayden,
which I love Hayden. Mean like a nice kid. Yeah.
Yeah, he's not a kid anymore Well, right, but
like no every tis I know you're not on Instagram
But I I can't not be on Instagram because I love
the way that content is on my phone It's just
easy scrolling content and I can watch reels
or clips or stories really quickly and I've seen
several stories where he's been at conventions
and he's talked about the stuff that he's done
with the franchise and I'm just like That dude
is awesome. Same thing with young Obi. Ewan McGregor?
Yes, thank you. Ow. It's just awesome. And then
Rosario as Ahsoka is just amazing. I love all
the stuff, but for Acolyte, I don't want something
before the beginning of the story. Yes, I know
George. I always say, George sold his shit. Yes,
he's going to have some little bits of input
and maybe he can guide Disney in certain ways,
but he's not in charge anymore. He's not creating
anymore. The man is 80 mother years old. He's
at the point of wanting maybe he wants to retire.
I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to
put whatever in his mouth words in his mouth,
but like Cathy is like in her 70s. Yeah. But
like, seriously, like, I mean, Yeah, once I get
75 or 80 if I I've always said for the last 16
years I'm probably gonna die with a microphone
in my mouth because I'll probably never stop
podcasting because it's in my blood and all that
stuff and everything else but like at some point
I'm gonna end up retiring from this I don't know
when but probably when I eventually lose my voice
if that ever happens heaven forbid but um but
the point is the man is 80 years old he's got
a he's got a career that spans What? When was
THX? Early, late 60s, early 70s. It's been about
a 60 year career. I mean, I know Lucasfilm turned
50 a year or two ago. So, yeah. So the point
is the man is, you know, at retirement age. I
don't think he's going to. And that's fine. And
if Disney wants to... 1971 was the year you were
born. The year I was born. There you go. Which
means 53 years. I wasn't going to say it. I think
people can do math. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Too
pity on the audience. But yes, Acolyte has been
canceled, and I still have no, like, I don't,
like, every trailer I've seen of it, I've only
watched, like, one or two. Because for me, I
will, like, OK, take Beverly Hills Cop Axel Foley
or Axel F or whatever Netflix is calling it.
Beverly Hills Cop Axel F is what it's called,
actually. They released a teaser trailer and
then they released an official theatrical trailer.
Those are the only two things I need. Right now
on YouTube, there was something that was uploaded
where it was like every single clip of this movie
or every single cool clip. It was like six different
videos. I'm like, I know if I'm going to watch
the movie or TV show or cartoon or whatever,
I want to watch it. Two trailers. Teaser and
full trailer is all I need. The rest, I don't
care. And everything, my point in saying that
is everything I've seen about Acolyte, I don't
care about watching this show or not watching
it. Can I just interrupt here with a point? Sure.
It's funny because you said that about Andor.
I know, but... And you liked Andor. Yes, I liked
Andor. But you also said... Fair now, it's gonna
be on air. You looked at me and said there's
no way in hell. I'm doing acolyte. I'm like,
okay, okay, and At the time I meant it like like
I'm not here to praise acolyte. I'm here to bury
it like like Mark Anthony Just let me I'm letting
you do your thing and then yeah, then I'll get
into it. Yeah But yes acolyte has been cancelled
Everybody is apparently rejoicing because of
it. So it's weird because I'm neither rejoicing
nor angry about it Yeah, I don't care. I'm ambivalent.
I okay it got one season great I see when I was
when I was a kid back in the day back in the
80s um like there were a lot of TV show like
the thing is science fiction became a big thing
because of Star Wars and and kind of because
because of Star Trek and it was a bigger thing
in the movies and they would always try to do
TV shows and I was lazy I didn't look up the
names of half of them but like half of them would
be like two episodes and gone because there wasn't
the viewership. I mean, the reason Acolyte failed
is because there weren't enough people to watch
it. This is going to be a larger theme about
our complaints about going forward about the
direction that Lucasfilm has taken, is they're
making product for a very, very small audience.
More people complain about Acolyte being canceled
than watched it. And most of the people who watched
it, not most, but a significant chunk of the
people who watched it, We're doing it because
they had a YouTube channel where they complained
about it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't hate watch. No,
I don't like I I'm old and I'm falling apart.
I don't have the time to waste on things I don't
like. Yeah, that will actually come up later
in this episode. But like I watched one episode
and I watched it because it was the third episode.
And if you if you heard about the show, the third
episode was the one that everybody You know,
it was like, ooh, this is this is what destroys
Star Wars once and for all and it was like It
was okay Like it was not like it wasn't the worst
thing ever It was yeah, the chant was stupid
and they actually turned that into a song for
the final credits the power one the power through
the power many but like, you know, the more I
heard about the like Just the writing is terrible
on that show. It's like characters just change
their motivations from one minute to the next
I'm gonna surrender. No, I'm gonna fight and
I'm gonna surrender. No, I'm gonna kill the Jedi
And then there was a bit where Wesley Hedlund
apologized to the viewers, because the spoiler
alert for Acolyte, for those of you who really
are just waiting around to see it eventually,
I'd get on that quick because the Willow series
is an example of what's going to happen. But
the guy from Squid Game gets killed at the end.
His former apprentice kills him because he exists
and he's a man, I guess, and he accepts it. Because
you know, that's that's what good men do they
accept their death and and and the showrunner
apologized for that because of course It wasn't
emotionally satisfied his death wasn't satisfying
enough because he accepted it. So he ruined it
for her struggling and suffering more and I'm
just like These people are psychopaths. Yeah,
they are literal psychopath. Well, I mean famously
Amanda Amanda la Came in her last name. She did
a diss track of the quote fans end quote that
criticized the show Which is oh, you know, it's
always a good idea to fight with the people you
need Exactly. Yep, like like that's the thing
like that's that's one of the biggest problems
with social media Is that it gives a lot of people
an outlet to push back when you should just sort
of like if you're in the public eye Even like
we are to extent you get you're gonna take your
lumps. There's gonna be people that don't like
you and This is a lesson that I learned which
I don't know that I ever completely absorbed
it, but it bothered me, which is that like people
can, if you're in the eye, it's professionalism
to take a hit and not retaliate. Like it's not
professional to retaliate. And I was kind of
like, but the professionals are doing the one
punching. Like, why can't I punch back? And they
were like, no, no, no, no. And I'm like, well,
this is stupid. But I mean, like in terms of
like the audience criticizing you, you got to
accept it. You gotta accept it and you gotta
move on. You gotta say, the right response is
always, I'm sorry you didn't like it. The next
one will be better. The next thing will be better.
We'll try harder next time. We're really sorry
we tried our best. We will do better next time.
Like not, screw you stupid end cell man. Particularly
when this show is in the whole category of it's
not made for you. I'm so sick of things not being
made for me. As I can accept that because there's
like a lot of things that aren't made for me
and you know, like My example, I think was 1982.
I came here. It was 82 81 It was a year like
like one of the Friday the 13th came out night
dinner with Andre came out and raised a star
came out and Like like of those three films only
one was quote made for me, which was Raiders
It was an action adventure film that appealed
to young boys and young girls liked it too That's
one of the most tedious things about having these
conversations in modern era is that a show can
be aimed for person A, and there are no barbed
wires, there are no dogs being walked across
the borders. Little girls can like Star Wars,
but it's a boys' franchise. It's designed to
be a thing that appeals to boys. Doesn't mean
girls can't like it, doesn't mean girls aren't
allowed to like it. It just means that it has
the flavor of a boys' property. Action, adventure,
faster, more intense, pew pew, you know? Less
human relationships, more stuff and action. More
droids, more droids. Yeah, but it doesn't mean
like you can't like, you know, we're just coming
out of a time when like My Little Pony was a
huge thing with boys and girls. So it's like,
I just think that we pretend to be stupid in
these discussions which drives me crazy. You
said it was a boys franchise and no, like the
two women that are the biggest in my life both
really love Star Wars. Well, one likes Star Wars
and one loves Star Wars, like as a kid. love
Star Wars. Like I have her action figure collection
because she gave it to me, you know, but like,
and she actually liked the acolyte. So it's just,
it's just frustrating that they go, it's not
made for you. And then of course, okay, I go,
okay, like it's frustrating in this particular
genre because Star Wars was made for me. It was
my thing. I don't know why it can't be for me
anymore. Like just because I'm pale and male.
Okay, fine. But then they fail. Like, the Marvel
movies fail. Like, the Marvels failed, Acolyte
failed, and then they're like, well, you chuds,
you incels, you didn't support us. You told me
you didn't want me. You told me you didn't need
me. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's like a reverse
penny -penny thing. It's like, who will help
me bake the bread? It's like, like, we don't
want you around until it's time to actually,
like, pay for the bread. And then we need you.
Yeah. And no. Like, that's the thing, is that's
why I'm not going to hate watch. Because I'm
not going to give them... Anything. Yeah, see
that's the thing like I don't Okay, I know I've
talked about this before on the show when I was
a kid my mom showed me nightmare on Elm Street
I Was five or six whenever that movie came out.
I'm not looking at Wikipedia right now. It's
like early. It's like yeah Yeah, it's mid 80s,
but it's one of those things where she showed
that to me and I was like, oh Okay, I'm a scared
crapless little kid right now because this is
a scary movie. Yeah. Yeah, cuz this is a scary
movie The 84 Oh God, it's the 40th anniversary
of nightmare on Elm Street 2. We're not doing
that movie. Oh Look man, that's on you whoever
you record with man. No, I know but I'm like
Wait, wait, wait a minute here. And I love how
Wikipedia, you can just type in the search bar,
it'll pull results up without actually having
to look at the article and you can just find
out what the date is. But anyway, point is, is
I saw that, okay, so if it came out in theaters
in 84, it was probably on VHS or Betamax or whatever
in 85 or 86. So sometime between the time I was
five and six years old, I saw Freddy Krueger,
The Nightmare on Elm Street, and it scared me
shitless. obviously as a kid I couldn't use the
term shitless because kids should not curse kind
of thing but it scared me shitless and that is
why I do not do the horror genre and what I mean
by the horror genre is horror in the way of jump
scare in the way of oh my god everything is blood
oh my god this oh my god that you know like I
know it's not horror and we're here to cover
but RRR that first scene with the guy ripping
the ding off the door, taking the kid's head
off the door, or whatever he did. Wait, what?
In the first scene of RRR. In the jungle? No,
no, no. In the first scene when they're on the
road, and he knocks the kid down when he opens
the door to the car. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
that. That was a little too much. Which is in
the jungle, yes. Okay, fine, whatever. I don't
know where it was, whatever it is. This is the
first scene, that's all I know. Yes, okay, okay.
You're like, rip the kid's head off. I'm like,
what? I don't remember, but again - He gets knocked
down. The woman gets beaten with like a stick
or something. It's really ugly. Yeah, it's really
ugly. And that's why I don't like horror is because
most of the jump scare horror things are really
ugly and just too much blood, guts and gore.
I don't do blood, guts and gore. So my whole
point in this is that I know for the most part,
that side of the horror genre is not for me.
And that's OK, because I have a bunch of other
stuff that I can do. And I've always said. I
always look at things in the time that they were
made. You can say there's all kinds of problems
with, and I'm just using this as an example,
even though there really isn't any problems with
this film, Ghostbusters 84 or Back to the Future
Part II or Part III, whatever. It doesn't matter.
You can say there are problems. films are problematic
now but they weren't back then because it was
just making entertainment it was just making
something for somebody to escape into a world
for somebody to escape into to take away their
stresses of everyday life so I don't look at
this whole thing of hate watch this hate watch
that like I said earlier in this episode I will
watch a trailer or a teaser and then a trailer,
I will watch two things. And if those things
get me excited or they interest me, I will watch
whatever TV show, movie, whatever it is. But
if they don't, I'm just going to go on my merry
way and not worry about it. Hate watching is
the dumbest fucking thing that this world now
has in entertainment. It's so stupid. Why are
you going to waste your time on something you
know you're not going to like? OK, here's my
one caveat to that. Is I mean there can be some
enjoyment found in watching something bad If
you know it like like, you know, yeah chance
theater, you know Having fun with it. Yeah, I
don't think these guys are having fun. No, that's
I'm not talking about like I Know what you're
talking about. But like I do think they're like
I think someone could legitimately watch acolyte
and have fun with the badness Maybe maybe what
I saw wasn't really Like it wasn't really plan
9 from outer space. It was just kind of Like
it was it was there and stuff happens the weird
stuff happen annoying stuff happen I you know,
they mess with the cannon and it's a timeline.
They make the Jedi the bad guys They do a lot
of weird dumb stuff And it just was not like
characters do things just so the plot happens
Right like like like the the one the one little
otter guy sabotages the ship and I'm like why
and like oh well because then they can't leave
you know um but like he's on their side why is
he doing that and just it and then the the just
the story that she's telling doesn't make sense
because it's like the character the the twins
are different people at the beginning like the
one twin wants one thing for her life and the
other twin is kind of like no no no You're part
of me. Like I we kind of own each other like
you like like you owe me your existence and at
the end the Quote evil twin is right. They're
the same person they look they are two halves
of the same hole and it's like Well, that's like
because the whole thing is supposed to be Leslie
headland working out her issues with her sister
and I'm like Wow, if I were a sister, I'd be
taking out a restraining order by now You're
half of me, and we're the same person. It's just
weird. It's bad writing. That's my thing. I don't
hate quote unquote woke stories. I don't hate
quote unquote woke characters. I don't like dull
characters. I don't like bad writing. Do something
interesting with them, and I will enjoy it. I
Don't know woke culture is a whole other episode
on a whole different other show whatever I Understand
that yes, I understand that but what I'm saying
is I am agreeing with you the thing is is that
the problem is Everybody is stuck in this We
have to create some like again acolyte is supposed
to it's a hundred years before the Phantom Menace.
I've said before in our other episodes that we've
done. Andor fits in a certain part of the universe.
It fits in. It doesn't, it's not excised out
to a different part of the timeline. Mandalorian
fits in. Ahsoka fits in. Rogue One, because Rogue
One will go into Andor eventually, but Rogue
One literally backs up to the beginning of Star
Wars to a new hope. So that fits in, I'm perfectly
fine with that. What I'm not fine with is these
Disney people and these creators, and I don't
know if it's, I hope it's not Favro and Filoni.
I don't know if it is or not, but they're trying
to make a new start point to the Star Wars universe,
and I'm like, no, don't and stop. And you said
you only watched the third episode because of
all the controversy or whatever. Right, yeah,
yeah, yeah. My and my not my analytical brain,
but my my continuity brain could never I could
never start a lot if I'm watching this show I
have to start on the first episode and I am sorry
right now I am too damn busy with a bunch of
other stuff for podcasts for stuff that you and
I are doing and for stuff that myself and other
people are doing Average time on these episodes
is 30 something 40 something minutes. So let's
just say it's eight hours I ain't wasting eight
hours on this show. Not right now. Maybe in a
couple of years, but not right now. Well, I mean,
number one, I didn't do it for the show. I did
it because I was curious. Number two, the third
episode, well, number two, we've established
our brains don't work the same way. To be fair.
And number three, the way this episode is presented
probably would have been easier because it's
a flashback. Right, so like like this part of
the story kind of starts on it It's not like
a continuation of I mean it is a continuation
of what happened before but it's more like it
starts with the kids as kids Whereas the previous
episodes they were adults So, you know, it's
not like you feel like you're coming in in the
middle of something You could watch the third
episode without having seen the first two You
lose context, but you could watch it, right?
Like you could do what we're doing with this
entire Star Wars series. Yeah where like you
could watch the third episode first and it would
only change a little bit because you would watch
the first episode with more context as opposed
to the way that it was presented where it's supposed
to be and it's supposed to be a freaking mystery
another freaking mystery so before we get into
Boba Fett season one folks i just i've got up
yes No, no, no, no, no. My brain malfunctioned.
I thought you were saying Mandalorian season
one. I was trying to correct you, and you were
right. You were right. I was wrong. Before we
get into Boba Fett season one, I have pulled
up here the upcoming projects. So we've got Mandalorian
and Grogu for May of 2026, an untitled new Jedi
Order film, an untitled Dawn of the Jedi film,
and an untitled New Republic film. All TBA. Favreau
is directing Mandalorian Grogu, somebody else
is directing the untitled new Jedi film, and
then James Mangold is supposed to do Dawn of
the Jedi and then - Oh, hold your breath on that
one. Yeah, I know. Probably. and then Filoni
is doing the untitled New Republic film. Well,
I mean, Ahsoka season two is being filmed. Well,
that's what I'm getting to that. OK, sorry. So
we've got we've got the TV shows. We got Mandalorian's
got three seasons, Book of Boba Fett. Thank God
it's only got one. Andor, Ahsoka, Acolyte. I'm
trying to see if there's upcoming. There's the
other one with the kids in the. Yeah. The Steven
Spielberg suburb that doesn't fit in the Star
Wars universe at all. Yeah, Jedi Temple Challenge?
What the hell is that? That sounds like a Legend
of the Hidden Temple for Star Wars. Yeah, probably
is. Who knows. But yeah, so that's what's kind
of happening with Star Wars stuff, but we are
going to get into the Book of Boba Fett. Oh,
God. I am not a bounty hunter. I've heard otherwise.
I know that you sit on the throne of your former
employer. Jabba ruled with fear. I intend to
rule with respect. You were once captains under
Jabba the Hutt. I'm here to make a proposal that's
mutually beneficial. Why speak of conflict when
cooperation can make us all rich? what prevents
us all from killing you and taking what we want.
If you had spoken such insolence to Jabba, he'd
have fed you to his menagerie. Please, speak
freely. Alright, so I always say I've never cared
about Bobo Because he was just a wanna to me
he and I know I say this every episode that we
talk about Star Wars He was just a one -off bounty
hunter He was kind of badass in like the half
scenes that he got in the movies that he was
in But then he got eaten by the sarlacc. I'm
like, okay fine. He's dead. Who's the next bounty
hunter? And I've also said that I truly believe
Mando Din Djarin has more character development
and interesting factor to him than Boba Fett
did. I think some of that though is to be fair,
we are different ages. I think Boba Fett was
a story of unrealized potential. Like, if you
were a kid in 1978, and you happened to watch
the holiday special, which I did, you know, there
was this, the one thing that everybody remembers
as being good is the animated section in the
middle, where you get the introduction of Boba
Fett. Darth Vader calls him the best bounty hunter
in the galaxy. And then he was a mail -away figure
before Empire Strikes Back came out. The famous
rocket firing thing that never actually got released.
They're selling one at auction, and it's like
he's painted. there were no painted versions
that were ever released. I don't know. But the
point being, as a kid, you're like, this guy
looks cool, this guy's amazing, Darth Vader gives
him props, and he's a badass, what's he gonna
do? And then in the Empire, he doesn't do much.
All the bounty hunters just stand there and look
cool. Obviously, I fell in love with Boss, because
he's a dinosaur guy, but everybody's got their
favorite bounty hunter, because they just look
cool, and Boa Fett was like, I mean, and you're
like, OK, well, and he does. He seems to do something
kind of cool because he figures out Hans trick
and then attack of the clones wrecks that. He's
like, Oh, I remember when Obi -Wan did that to
my dad. So but but at the time, but the point
being at the time, like because you remember
that a lot of a lot of the hype probably is with
the older fans and the younger fans probably
are like you were like, you know, because he
shows up in the Jedi and he seems cool right
up to the point that Hansol hits him with a stick.
Yep. And he goes flying and he gets eaten by
the starlight. He gets punked. Lucas does this,
right? Darth Maul gets punked. Grievous gets
punked. And they all come back, except for Taranis,
I think. Yeah, well, let's not talk about that.
Let's not talk about Darth Maul coming back,
because that's stupid. Is it really? He got cut
in half and fell down an endless shaft. I know,
but then he got spider legs. I mean that that
is that is like Just like I can't complain about
people being stabbed with lightsabers and not
dying and and be okay with people being cut in
half Just fine No It's stupid and that but but
Lucas does that Lucas doesn't care Lucas doesn't
care. Yeah, cuz it's just like these characters
are Cogs and machines They do their thing. He
was the guy that got Han Solo captured. That's
all he ever was to George. Now the fans are like,
oh, but I wanted to see... And he does a couple
of things with the fight with Luke. He does a
couple of cool things. But everyone's like, oh,
what could have been? What could have been? And
they brought him back. He comes back in Dark
Empire, which is the first comic book series
after the Marvel series ends. They brought him
back immediately. He was one of the first things
of the... the EU, the official EU, was Boba Fett
coming back. Then they had the story about how
Dengar rescued him, because he'd been spat up.
And then there was a fake Boba Fett that was
like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Bringing Boba
Fett back is one of the most canonical things
in Star Wars. But then you've got Attack of the
Clones, where you've got Jango, who's a different
character. I mean, he's a clone. Bobo's a clone
of him and he had the same armor, but you got
that fight between him and Obi -Wan, because
I wasn't here for that episode. But like, you
know, and it was a way of George who kind of
giving the fans what they always wanted, which
was a badass fight between a Jedi and Boba Fett.
You know, it's not Boba Fett, it's Jango, but
a Fett, but a Mandalorian super commando, which
we'll get to, because that was, nobody knew anything
about Boba Fett, he was, and then there was this
mysterious phrase, Mandalorian super commando,
and what does that mean? So we got the fight
that we always kind of wanted, and then he got
punked. And then Boba Fett picked up the helmet,
and then the head went, and then we got the Mandalorian.
And I feel that the Mandalorian, the whole reason
the Mandalorian probably got made is that Jon
Favreau was like most fans of our age, wanted
to see Boba Fett do stuff. Those early episodes
he's like, you know being cool. He's using gadgets
He's he's being a bad act cuz I and I think that
was to fill that empty void Man, I always wanted
to see him use all that stuff in action because
you know They were like all their poster magazines
and books and they would go he's got rockets
in his knees and he's got like this thing He's
got that thing the flame. He constantly is using
a flame projector. Yeah, like that first season
It's a joke because it never works, but he's
constantly using it There's that little pencil
thing that's sticking out of his wristband. What
does that do? Obviously, a fan that comes in
later and watches the film as an afterthought
and doesn't have to wait for it, you're like,
this guy sucks. He's a punk. I get that. That's
how I was as a kid and that's how I've been for
a while. But if you're a kid and you had that
action figure for a year and a half before he
even showed up on screen, you're looking at all
the little details like what does this mean what
does he do and you gotta wait three years between
Empire and Jedi and you know and then and then
he gets punked and we didn't go oh what you know
that sucks we went like oh we were robbed yeah
exactly My childhood, oh my God, my childhood
has been destroyed. No, no, no, it wasn't destroyed.
I know, I know. You felt a little cheated. What
I mean is the potential. And then that potential
kind of got realized with Jango and got realized
with Din. And so by the time they get to book
a Boba Fett, our Boba Fett, our Mandalorian armor
needs have been met as a culture. So it's like,
what do you do with this character? Exactly and
the thing for me is I always say what I've already
said in this episode about I don't care about
him because he did like three things in the movies
that he was in however That's my basis when I
tell people about like if somebody asks me about
Boba Fett I will tell them that first and then
I will say however since that time There was
a two -volume comic series called Star Wars bloodlines
about the Fetts I don't know if it was EU or
if it was something else. Okay, that's fine.
I read that and I enjoyed that I liked Boba in
that and I like Boba in this I just wait like
if a character die, okay And I know they've done
this a million times and there have been a million
different series besides this But if you look
at Transformers generation one Megatron not hot
rod Megatron shot and killed Optimus Prime Grab
me Mercy, I beg of you! You, who are without
Mercy, now plead for it? I thought you were made
of sterner stuff. No you don't, Megatron! Out
of the way, hot blood! Fall! He then came back
as a zombie a couple of times and then they revived
him. Okay, fine Series over ending over the rebirth
of Cybertron whatever that's fine but normally
like if you kill a character if you're done with
a character or if you don't want a character
to move on and That's it. Please just let them
stay dead and move on With the story you don't
read a lot of x -men No, I've read a lot. I've
read some X -Men and I know there's a lot but
that's my pleasure It's a joke death is a joke
in that comic. Yeah, I know Yeah, I started reading
the new X -Men that Gail Simone is writing right
now currently that first issue Wow, I'm excited
for that series That's gonna be cool only and
the only reason why I'm excited for is because
it's Gail Simone and I loved her Batgirl run
and some of the other stuff that she's done But
anyway, that's my history and my thing with boba
is that half the time when people bring him up
my eyes roll into the back of my head and I'm
just like Oh God, but then I look at it and I'm
like, oh, this is kind of cool However, I will
say I don't know why we needed these first four
episodes just to get to the Mando season 2 .5
For five six and seven. I mean I like what I
like about this show what I like about these
first four episodes honestly is After he escapes
after he has his flashbacks and after he's in
the bathtub tank for however long he's like I
actually like seeing the Tusken Raider stuff.
I love that Yeah, so I love the Tusken Raider
stuff because normally like what we've seen of
them in the other parts of the universe It's
not much. We've just seen that they're violent
characters. Well, one of the things we said,
I think in the first, yeah, was it was the first
season of Mandalorian was that episode with the
gunslinger. Yeah, it was really cool because
like didn't communicated with them and worked
with them, you know, which was neat. And like,
I remember when I started doing the rewatch for
this show, I sent you a message and I was like,
I've got two episodes in and I don't know what
the hate is about. Yeah, like, like this is actually
really good. I'm really enjoying this. Yeah.
And then we got to episode three. The streets
of Mos Espa. Yeah That's that's when it started
if that's when I started to have issues Okay.
Well, yeah, the first two episodes were really
cool again. You've got Fet and Fennec Shan doing
Doing stuff as the new huts kind of thing because
he takes over Jabba's palace. I am always what
they call it Yeah, the new daimyo. Yep. Yep.
Yeah, you're right Yep and um, but yeah, so all
right get into your problems with chapters Okay,
what I love like I think first of all what I
liked about the show was the idea like I the
whole reason I had that whole big explanation
about the history of Boba Fett and the other
characters was because I like the concept of
the show The idea that Boba Fett has learned
You know, he has he's aligned with fender chan
like aren't you tired of working for morons?
You know, aren't you tired of looking for stupid
people that just throw you off to die? He wants
to do things differently. His experience with
the Tusken Raiders changed him. And it's really
fascinating, because this will come up with the
Mandalorian 2 .5 stuff with Luke, is Boba Fett,
the show's point is that Boba Fett is stronger
with his friends. And again, in Mandalorian Season
3, Mandalorians are stronger together. We can't
be subtle about things. We can't let just the
actual message of the show go through. and you
figure it out by watching the show, we've got
to have a line of dialogue that tells you it.
But yeah, that idea that he learned to be part
of a family, part of a tribe. Because that's
kind of the whole point of the middle part of
the show, including Screets of Massaspa, is there
are the Gamorrean guards that stay loyal to Bib
Fortuna, and he forgives them, and they're loyal
to him. There's the Wookie that's hired to kill
him, and he lets him live. He becomes an ally
there and then there's the terrible terrible
scooty puff junior gang then but but all these
potential enemies He makes allies and I love
that. I love the I I love the idea of that The
show starts to fall apart in the execution and
one of the that episode I really hate and I hate
I you know, I know everybody hates on the gang
the mods Yeah, but everything about them is stupid
and wrong like they're they're a gang for Coruscant
They're not a gang for Tatooine. They've got
their beautiful, pristine little speeders in
their little Power Ranger colors. No other vehicle
on Tatooine looks like that. The whole reason
they have do -backs in the movie is because the
Empire didn't want to use vehicles because Anakin's
right. Sand is coarse and irritating, gets everywhere.
It is murder on mechanics. And these guys are
walking around with exposed... There's a line...
When Fenric gets her stomach done, her bionic
stomach, Boba Fett's like, aren't you going to
cover that up? And he's like, cover up all this
beautiful technology. It's like, yeah, so sand
doesn't get in it and wreck it. Exactly. It's
dumb. And then all the mods, except for the Joan
Jett girl, are all dressed real fancy. And I
think it's also kind of a play, because there
was like a gang or something in the 60s called
the mods. There were the mods and the punks.
Maybe it was the 80s. I'm old. But there were
the mods and the punks. The mods were modern.
But they had like this cool dress and they they
they they they they look cool, but they're but
they're for Coruscant they're not for Tatami.
They're not for a hard -bitten desert planet
or everywhere Sandblasted and and falling apart
and and like they they don't fit And yes, the
fact that they drive these weird little Vespas
and Power Ranger colors doesn't look there's
that one overhead shot that looks terrible Because
they've got the Power Ranger colors coming in.
It looks dumb. And they're inappropriate. And
that's why I hate them. I don't hate them because
they're run by a girl boss. I hate them because
they don't fit anything. And then the logic of
the exposed cybernetics is stupid. I like them
as far as being backup for Boba. Like I said,
I like the idea of him including former enemies
and antagonistic characters as part of his crew,
but just the actual gang is terrible. Yeah. Yeah,
it's really, really... So I took a bunch of notes
per episode here, and the way I take notes is
I just do bullet points, and I just do one simple
thing. Let's see here. Can I get to my other
point? There are three things that happened in
that episode. The other thing is, that's the
first one with the heavy celebrity cameos. That's
the one with Steven Root, who is... What's his
name from Office Space? Milton. Milton from Office
Space. He's been in a lot of things. He was in
news radio. He's on King of the Hill. He's Bill...
on King of the Hill. He's a well -known comedic
actor, and he's playing a semi -serious role.
And it's distracting. It's like, hey, that's
Steven Root. And then they have Danny Trejo,
because that episode was directed by Robert Rodriguez.
But the whole time, I'm like, well, that's Danny
Trejo. That's Machete. That's not the Rancor
guy. That's Machete. He's the Rancor guy now.
But it's distracting to me. There's a reason
Lucas didn't really use Big -name people in his
movies because it's just I mean, I noticed it.
Yes, I know Daniel Jackson, but that was in the
prequels. Yeah, that's the yeah, we're talking
about the original Yeah, cuz I mean all of it.
Yeah, someone's gonna go well all the goodness
was a legend and it's like yes and he was He
was a main character in a supporting role. Peter
Cushing was a legend He was a main character
in a supporting role but like just a random cameo
of a like I remember when attack of the clones
came out and I forget which boy band it is. It's
like the new kids or the other band that's like
the new kids. There are two boy band people who
were in Attack of the Clones during the big sequels
with the Jedi. The guys that throw Anakin and
Obi -Wan lightsabers. There's like two random
Jedi and they're from some boy band of the 90s
or whatever. So it's either Backstreet Boys or
NSYNC. Backstreet Boys or NSYNC. Fans lost their
like they complain about like fans nowadays fans
lost their mind about that They were bitter and
angry and I didn't they at least they like didn't
look Maybe because I didn't know those bands
I didn't care like like there's two dudes two
young dudes with beards Yeah, I know who Steven
Root is and I know who Danny Trejo is and when
we get to Mandalorian I know who those people
look well almost all those people are it's distracting
and it's annoying and it's like So that was the
other thing I really hated and then the third
thing I hated is this episode begins the series'
habit of introducing a concept and then immediately
abandoning that concept. Because the whole thing
is, his initial antagonists are the Hutts, the
twins, right? And then all of a sudden, in episode
three, they're like, yeah, we're going back to
now, Hutto, we don't care anymore. What? So now
it's the mayor, and then the mayor's a non -factor,
and then it's the Pikes, and there was a Pikes
all along. They were Agatha all along. But yeah,
exactly. They keep introducing things and then
just going, yeah, whatever. They don't do anything
with what they have. They don't play with their
toys. They just put them out there. There are
huts being... And it drove me crazy because there's
a wonderful little detail that made my fanboy
so happy, my inner fanboy so happy with the huts.
Because the one guy is patting himself off with
something, right? You remember that? He's drying
his sweat off with a little rabbit creature.
Right. Those are Hoogibs, and those are from
the comics. And it's a little detail, the old
Marvel comics. They're telepathic rabbit creatures.
I was just like, oh my god, they're Hoogibs,
and they're in official Star Wars, and I was
so happy that my brain didn't go. You realize
that these guys are farting off Del Nal Hutta,
and this whole thing that was introduced, and
quite a bit was made of it, is now ignored. I
mean, that's why the Wookie's there, because
he was hired by the Hutt's. and then he fails
and they're like ah well we're not gonna bother
anymore and it's also weird because i always
thought that the java was part of the hut i thought
it was a hut cartel right i didn't know it was
just a cartel that like anybody could be the
the diameter the amiel of which was weird yeah
you google google one of those i've i've rambled
long enough so we have as uncredited jedi knight
joey fatone and joey fatone was from okay okay
so it was in sync Yep. So that's two of them
though. There were two of them. So yeah, I was
another in sinker. I guess I've scrolled so far
down the IMDB credit list. They were both in
the same band. I remember that. So yeah, that's
fine. Whatever it is, it is like I said, I noped
out on the whole boy band thing. So I know they're
the same people, not the same people. Not the
Tuskens, the mini guys, the little guys. The
Jawas. How the fuck did I forget the name? I
don't know man, whatever. My brain's about to
break. So when I first saw the Jawas in episode
one of this series, my first thought was, Wootini!
But that's from Spaceballs. Ootini is the Jawa
thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but they had to
do that because that explains where Cob Vance
got his armor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love
all the Tusken Raiders stuff. I kind of like
Fett's dream sequences of how he escaped the
pit, but I like that explanation. That's fine.
I don't know. Yeah, like I said, the first two
episodes were generally pretty good. Yep. When
we get down to episode three, I have five notes.
I kind of like the Kamino flashback, because
honestly, Kamino is one of my favorite planets
in Star Wars, just because it's nothing but water
for the most part, and you have to live under
the sea. Hey, look, it's Little Mermaid in Star
Wars. They live over the sea. Over the sea, whatever.
And then I really, like, I wasn't sure about
Chris Anton. And because I've seen the only thing
I've ever seen of him is like the Funko pops
that they've made of him And then I watched this
and I'm like, okay He's my second favorite Wookie
now at this point Yeah, I don't know see the
third episode kind of moved the story along and
then the fourth one we get Sort of kind of get
Fennec shan's origin a little bit of it. Anyway,
what when in the beginning She's I mean she was
established as an Imperial. Yeah, I Don't remember
her story being really expounded on the power.
She was in a bad batch or rebels She's in bad
batch. Yeah. Yeah, probably we'll get to that
at some point But I just episode for I love the
action and I thought that was really great But
it seemed like it was and this isn't a bad thing
But it seemed like episode four was the longest
one. And I know that the average time of these
things is like 35, 49 minutes. They're all under
an hour. But I like that. I don't know. I'm doing
a split here, folks, because the first four episodes
are their own thing. I'm glad they didn't do
this, but if they did this this way, First four
was one season and the other three maybe include
a fourth episode was another season That would
have been fine to me, but it's fine the way it
is I know it doesn't matter to me, but I feel
like the first four episodes Stand on their own
and we learn so much about Boba Fett We learn
about his journey about like we said how we get
out of the pit and we learn about how he is learning
with the rate Tusken Raiders and he's helping
them and his character is changing and it's growing
and I is his character growth is great and again
I'm saying positive things about Boba Fett. I'm
not saying you know that oh my god blah blah
blah But this is what I needed to actually come
around to that character. I needed more with
that character. Well, that's interesting because
As a long -termer, I mean the character obviously
is changing like you're watching him change into
a new character Mm -hmm, which is a good thing.
Yeah. Oh, no. No, that's that's presumably the
premise of the show is that it is that the old
Boba Fett was was not working because he got
knocked into a pit by a stick Yeah, and then
new Boba Fett like runs Tatooine. So, you know,
yeah What other notes or anything else you want
to say on the first four episodes? I got Just
I got like I said, I got real frustrated. I remember
when I watched it the first time I thought that
the guy who worked for the mayor, the Alan Tidek
knockoff guy, I thought he was going to be more
important because they kept coming back to him
and making a big deal out of him. And then that's
where they have the Scooty Puff Junior Chase,
where he crashes the slow speed Scooty Puff Junior
Chase, where he crashes a speeder. In my head,
I had like my own. I knew where it was going
to go. And it was way more interesting because
the Twilex had always been sort of I don't know
what the term I'm allowed to use in 2024 is.
They were big on involuntary servitude for the
Twi 'leks. I thought maybe this whole thing was
a scheme on his part to like, you know, get revenge
on everybody and kind of come out on top. But
no, no, he was just the weird scheming guy who
doesn't do or accomplish anything once he gets
captured. The mayor disappears after he gets
captured. I mean, he shows up in the Pike's tent,
but yeah, it's just the whole thing with Jennifer
Beals. drove me crazy, because I kept thinking
they were going to like, she was going to be
like Miss Kitty from Gunsmoke. Yeah, Boba Fett's,
you know, Sheriff Marshall, I think his name
is Marshall, Marshall Dillon. But no, they didn't
do anything with her. I mean, that was like a
whole interesting concept of the Oasis and and
her character. And I thought they were going
to, you know, and eventually they like my thing
is by the fourth episode, I thought I My mind
originally was flooded with where they could
go with this. And I think the problem I have
rewatching it is the first episode that I really
enjoyed, because I still think they're solid.
But once the actual main plot gets going, I know
where it's going. So now I feel like my time
is being wasted. You know what I mean? I know
this character doesn't go anywhere. I know this
character doesn't go. I know nothing comes of
this. So it's like, yeah, blah. Then we get.
to the return of the Mandalorian. So I want to
preface this. This was one of the worst days
I had that year. I was woken up at like 3 a .m.
because my smoke detector in my bedroom broke.
I was going off. So I had this mid -morning,
oh my god, is my house on fire? It was just this
thing was broken and I had a massive migraine
because of that. I felt miserable. And then I
sat down to watch Book of Boba Fett. And that
episode made me so happy. Yep. Yeah, so five,
six, and seven are essentially... Seven is its
own thing. Seven is its own thing, but episode
seven is like, five and six are specifically
Mando driven things. There was more stuff on
Tatooine than I thought there was, and I remember
there being. Right. But seven is kind of like
like five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's five and six
are the in, you know, hey, look, everyone says
men learn two point five. Right. Exactly. Yeah.
Five. But five and six are like the preparation
to what seven was with everybody coming together
and fighting and beating the bad guys and all
that. But episode five. Oh, man. Just from the
opening, like he goes into the slaughterhouse.
Yeah, he confronts the Clathuinian guy and he
says the line you can come with me cold or you
can come with me warm and I screwed that up completely
but but but it was and that ring more like, you
know, I was I mentioned the The new series of
cameras call even like runaways or whatever The
one with the kids and you see this like Steven
Spielberg So suburb cul -de -sac and it's just
like I can look out my window and see that Yeah,
but this episode we had a ring world and it was
so cool and so different than anything I've seen
in a Star Wars show or in any like I've never
seen that in a Star Trek show I've never seen
that about star galactica like I I haven't read
the Larry Niven ring world series, but like I
just it was cool It was unique. It was it was
something fascinating like I was just I I just
love that up like I love that episode up until
He goes to see the armorer. And then I was like,
oh, it's the Darksaber crap. Let's see. I like
the Darksaber. I hate the Darksaber. Well, I'm
sure you're happy it's gone now. But I forgot
I forgot that happened. But I was happy that
well, sort of happy that was like that. That's
like, again, that's another thing that I thought
I have an issue with these two shows is lore
like Lucas never really wasted time on that.
He'd drop a name, the Spice Mines of Kessel,
the Clone Wars, the Kessel Run, this, that, he
would never like, but Filoni and Favreau have
to explain, like, we've got to have all the explanation,
and the lore, and the person who wields the darksaber
is the master of Mandalore, and just tell the
story. Don't tell us your little D &D backstory
that you've gotten written out in your little
composition notebook. Like, just have people
do cool, Star Wars is about action. Faster more
intense. Yes, but it but it is also about story
I like like like like I've already said in this
episode. I don't get my general statement I don't
care about Boba Fett until you show me a story
where he gets more Developed and I get to see
more of that character. Okay fair. That's if
that's a completely fair. I mean, I think Well,
I think the one thing is you kind of going a
little more Immediately judgmental where I'm
like, I'm open to things but I expect to be like
I go into it not going why don't what do I care
about you? I go into it like, okay Now is your
chance to make me care about you. Yeah, you know
what I mean? Like you're like, why do I care
about both of it? I'm like, well, maybe I'm just
give me a give. Let me let me see why I want
to care about mobile fat Yeah, you know and or
any of these characters like I would love to
be fair I went in and or already liking that
character but like, yeah You know what I mean?
Like like cuz we talk about movies that like
we haven't seen before like like like John Wick,
right? Right? Because that character had not
existed before that movie. Right. And, you know,
your attitude tends to be, well, I don't know
who this guy is. Why do I care? Yeah, but see,
here's the thing. I'm going to surprise you with
this. I've got another buddy of mine, the actual
person that turned me on to John Wick, where
he told me about how it's basically, that first
movie is basically like one day or two days,
or it's a whole timeline. Like, I went into John
Wick cold. And I fucking loved it. I love those.
I haven't watched the fourth one yet, but I love
those movies. But the important one is the first
one, because that's what we're talking about.
Absolutely. I agree. I'm willing to give them
a chance to win me over with the story as opposed
to... Well... I am in certain parts. This is
becoming a running theme of why should I care
about this guy? Right, that's the point of the
show. That's the point of the movie is they're
gonna try to make a good one We'll try to make
you care about them even though you don't know
who they are and that's even better because if
you go into it already having Expectations of
who this person is then they got to work with
oh, you know what I mean? Like then they get
like do double the juggling like going in blank
is better like not not expecting anything is
better than because like, you know with the Indiana
Jones movie you go into that you go, okay Well,
I have expectations of Indiana Jones and And
then they screwed it up and made him a feeble
old man. We're like, this is not what I want
from Indiana Jones. Like, you know, you go into
another movie, a John Wick movie, you don't know
who he is. You're like, this guy's this dude,
they mess with his dog. Yeah. Fuck him. Yep.
Exactly. Fuck him. But I like the armor as a
character. I think she's cool. I like the dark
saber stuff. I like the armor, but I hate the
dark saber. OK, that's fine. I'm not saying you
don't have to... I know. I'm just... I won't
be on record as pro armorer. I generally liked
her character. Yeah, absolutely. I like the...
Okay, so what I like about the Darksaber is not
what everything that surrounds it. I like the
sword itself. That's what I mean when I say I
like the Darksaber. I like the way the sword
looks. I think it's cool. It's the first black...
Sword with black blade sword we've had in Star
Wars. I'm pretty sure if I'm incorrect. Yes I
think you are correct people can correct me if
I'm wrong as far as I know you're correct. Okay.
I love that weapon Specifically that that is
cool to me. That's a like Mando has blasters
He has his whatever the big giant rifle is and
he's got his jetpack and that's all cool. I like
din and whatever else but once they introduced
that dark saber thing i'm like oh i like that
sword but don't you remember that from because
that was introduced in clone wars wasn't it uh
isn't there like look because it's because the
the big mandalorian guy right yeah like his ancestor
was the skeevy dude who was like plotting in
on mental because because i i remember seeing
those episodes but i mean i wasn't really paying
a lot of attention back and it was like jesus
christ it was over a decade ago Yeah, see, that's
the thing. Like, in the beginning of the pandemic,
when the pandemic started, I went and I binged
as much Clone Wars as there was. When Disney
Plus started, when Disney Plus first came online,
my first thing was, hey, look, finally, I can
actually watch all this Star Wars cartoon stuff
that I missed because I don't like paying attention
to Cartoon Network's crappy schedule when they
wouldn't show the show on Friday nights. I will
never argue with you against. Cartoon Network
being garbage. They have good shows, but the
way they handle, they treat them like garbage.
Yes, yes. That's the problem with Cartoon Network.
It's the way they handle the shows. Well, I'll
always just say that's where good cartoons go
to die. Yeah, exactly. Because of the way they
screwed over Justice League. Yeah, poor Justice
League. But yeah, I like the Darksaber as a weapon.
I like Mando versus Paz. I like like didn't like
Pedro versus Favreau. That's amazing. I love
that Was John even in that suit? I don't know.
I assume so. I don't mean he's kind of Husky
yeah, we're going to do to be fair. We are both
of some size, but like come on man like I think
Favreau is a legitimate Star Wars fan. What I'm
saying is, if you were part of the show, wouldn't
you be in the suit? You know what I mean? Oh,
absolutely. As opposed to Robert Downey Jr.,
who's a millionaire actor, who's like, yeah,
just put the tennis balls on me. No, man, I want
the Mandalorian suit, man. I want to wear the
gear. I want that stuff. Yeah. I think he was
in the suit. He didn't direct that episode anyway,
so. No, he didn't. Bryce Dallas Howard didn't.
She did a really good job. Oh, man. Yeah. I love
one of the better Mandalorian directors, even
though that was both of them. Yeah. Well, yeah.
But again, it was Mando 2 .5. But I love that
episode. And then the next one where you have,
you know, Luke and all that. How do you feel
about young Luke? How do you feel about who I'm
trying to see who the actor is? But because that's
not Mark Hamill's voice. It's not like they.
Is it? I thought it was Hamill's voice. I remember
there's a story about when they did the scene
in the end of Mental Orange season two, there
was a guy on YouTube who went back and redid
the effects and did them better, and they hired
him to do that episode. First of all, my eyesight's
terrible. I'm legally blind, so we're in the
same boat, kind of. So I don't really notice
really bad. Things have to be really bad for
me to notice it. Right. And also, I'm a little
more forgiving about stuff. But yeah, I love
that episode up until a point, and then I hate
that episode. OK. Tell me what you love about
it. I love the stuff with Luke and Grogu and
the sense of... You know, he trained with Yoda
and now he's training a little baby Yoda and
he's kind of doing the same thing and he's passing
on his wisdom and Weirdly Gragas powers got nerfed.
Remember when he was lifting the the damn rhinoceros
beast. Yeah, all of a sudden he can't even lift
a frog and I wish there had been more with Ahsoka
and and Luke. Yeah like that that speaking of
wasted potential It's like you're someone who
knew my father when he was still a good man Oh,
God. That scene with them. Just like your father.
Will I see you again? Which is exactly what Anakin
said. Yep. Like that was just like, I wish there
had been more of that. Also, why I didn't. Well,
even though I love the first part, I didn't like
the robots building the little hut place because
it's like that should have been Luke and Grogu,
you know, using the force to do that. Why? Why
you need a bunch of little cheap? Dollar Store
wind -up robots, which is what they look like.
Yeah, I mean they look the CGI was good But I
mean they the actual design looks like a cheap
dollar store wind -up, you know spider robot
or something bug robot I just honey's like good
and you can see apparently you can see that dome
thing in Force Awakens when they have the flashback
to the Academy being burning down right, which
I will look for when we get there, but I've People
have done pictures online and supposedly it is
the academy that gets burned down by Kylo Ren
and his buddies. Yeah. So I'm looking at IMDB
and I'm looking for Luke Skywalker person that
was, you know, like how they have for voice acting,
they'll have this, like, what's the perfect example?
Deadpool. Friggin' Lady Deadpool. It's what's
their nuts. It's your sandwich. No, no, no, no,
it's um Yeah, yeah, it's It's Blake Lively as
the voice of Lady Deadpool, but it's an unnamed
stunt woman. That's actually in the suit She's
not in that suit. I Because we've done On the
live YouTube show that I do we've already done
a whole Deadpool and Wolverine review so it but
that's my point like usually If the credits are
separate, like if you have somebody doing the
voice and somebody that's actually in the thing,
IMDb will show you that. And so far, looking
through this entire cast list for this episode,
it only lists Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker.
So again, CGI, fine. I don't care. Whatever.
It's cool. I love seeing the two of them there.
I love seeing him and Ahsoka together because,
like you already said, Obviously she was the
apprentice to his father and all of that and
that is cool and ladies and gentlemen We've said
this before on these episodes. We will be doing
cartoon reviews of the cartoon stuff at some
point most likely next year, but But yeah, no
But yeah episode five and six like wow Like I
said, I loved it. It was magical. It was it was
what I wanted from Jedi stuff cuz cuz Like I
said, I don't like the lore, and I think the
lore started with the prequels, because suddenly
the Force wasn't this kind of mystic magic that
ties us all together. It were these bugs in your
system. He sort of backtracked that, and I think
Rogue One... I had the whole thing about the
Force and Jedi, where the Force doesn't belong
to the Jedi. They act like it does, but it doesn't.
Like, because it's created by all living things.
It belongs to all living things. Except Moff
Gideon. We'll get there. Even Moff Gideon. But
that's the thing. It's like there are, you know,
people that are jealous and greedy and want more.
I mean, that's what the Sith was. They wanted
more, more power. Anyway, like up until the point
when they're in the little hut and Luke makes
Grogu make the choice. Yeah. That lost me because
that is Luke recreating the old Jedi Order. Right.
And I'm pretty sure that the whole point of the
prequels was that the Jedi had lost their way.
Because Lucas has said, Lucas is on record, Anakin's
destiny, Anakin's prophecy was to wipe out both
the Jedi and the Sith to bring balance to the
Force. And like, why? Why does he need to wipe
out? Like, this is the annoying thing about bad
writing. is we never hear the prophecy, and we
never have it explained why the Jedi have to
be wiped out. I mean, you can kind of tell that
there's one line in Attack of the Clones that
Yoda has about, oh, these young Jedi these days,
they're problems. But you never really, and it
played against the fan expectations going into
that movie, because we thought the Jedi were
good. And suddenly like wait, they need to be
like and and the movies themselves never really
make it clear that the Jedi do need to be that's
one thing the acolyte does it makes it clear
the Jedi need to be wiped off the face of the
galaxy because they're creepy little creepin
creep creep creeper Zoids. Yeah, but um like
it's it's just it's Luke making the mistakes
of the past as opposed to like And and the irony
is the whole point of the show is that Boba Fett
is stronger because he has his clan because he
has his tribe And Luke is saying to Garagu, you
cannot have attachments. Luke beat Darth Vader
by being attached to his sister. It is only when
Vader threatens his sister that Luke beats Vader,
has the strength to beat him. It betrays the
fundamental ignorance of everything Star Wars.
Luke makes Garagu make that choice. I hate it.
I'm glad that the Academy burned down because
Luke was going the wrong direction. Yeah. And
and Gragu and Gragu chose wisely. And I also
hate that. I hated it at the time because even
though obviously I love Gragu, I think he's a
great character. I have a lot of fun with him.
His story was told as much as I enjoyed watching
Luke and Gragu together. Yeah. Like I didn't
want Gragu back with Din. Yeah, I wanted Dean
to go on and have his adventures and like now
and of course like but but Gragu is like the
only thing that sells toys for Disney at this
point Sure, so and I'm not even sure he sells
toys anymore So like they had to bring him back
and I don't know if that was I really feel like
that wasn't a story choice That wasn't a Favreau
choice. That was a Disney Hey, we sell a lot
of Roger dolls choice so just in that sense,
I don't I just That is really, for me, when the
Star Wars saga turns for the bad. Like if we're
doing it chronologically in terms of storytelling,
that is when everything falls apart. With bad
storytelling, but all along there have been issues
with bad storytelling. There's always bad storytelling.
Like when it falls apart. Did you say conceptually?
Conceptually. Okay, that's not what I heard.
I may have overemphasized the first word, but
I wasn't sure. I was gonna say... Be weird. Oh
crap. Wow. That's not what I heard, but okay.
Sure, conceptually. No, no, no. I warned you
before we started. I was tired. Oh, no, no. It's
fine. It's fine. I'm fine. I just wanted to make
sure I heard what I... I mean, if I'm gonna be
weird and creepy and sexual, you'll know. You'll
know my friend. Uh -huh. I'm sure And I keep
every time I see your name I have to click on
it because I'm like where the flash dance. Yeah.
Oh right flash dance I haven't seen that movie
since probably 1993 I don't even know if it's
been that I don't know than that recently for
me. I mean, I probably saw it on video I didn't
see in the theaters, but I probably saw a video
in the 80s sometime on HBO or Showtime. Yeah,
I know I saw it as a kid in the 80s. I had the
soundtrack. Yeah, the soundtrack. Everybody had
the soundtrack. So we have so much here in episode
seven. We've got R2 -D2, we've got Grogu, we've
got Din, we've got the Pikes. The Pikes, by the
way, showed up in Solo. Do you remember that?
Yeah, they reused the Pikes. And what I love
about, I think it's, is it specifically episode
seven or is it episode six? Whenever he shows
up, oh my God, live action, Cad Bane. Cad Bane,
I think it was episode six, because he shows
up before the finale. Yeah, he does. I'm trying
to see, yeah, he shows up, yeah, Cod, wow. God,
see that, you're getting creepy and weird. Well,
I mean, he's not a codfish. Uh, you know, it's
not Peter Pan over here. Uh, Cad Bane arrives
on behalf of the Pikes. So that was episode six.
When I first saw him, I'm like, okay, before
you even speak, who are you? Because sometimes
they don't do it right. And they got Corey Burton.
Yeah, they did it right. So here's the thing
with this is that Where is it? Of course they
did it right. He's one of Filoni's pets. No,
he's... Yes, he is. He's a Filoni thing. He and
Ahsoka. I'm surprised they, quote, killed him,
end quote. I mean, he only got stabbed, so...
Right. He's completely disintegrated, so he can
come back. Well, and we all know that, like,
the stomach is easily replaced with a robot stomach.
Yeah, for Fennec. So, Corey Burton is the voice
of Cad Bane. The physical, Bane is physically
portrayed by Dorian Kinji? K -I -N -G -I, I'm
not, I don't know. Yeah, Kinji. He looks amazing,
and it's Corey Burton. End of story, it's Cad
Bane, the way Cad Bane should be. And I absolutely
loved every second of him on screen. See my thing
is I was like, oh, it's a Filoni thing Yeah,
I don't like the Filoni things, but I like it
well enough but like He's doing it's like watching
The Simpsons nowadays where there's only like
so many characters, you know what I mean? Like
back in the day they introduced new characters.
It's like I like the first couple of seasons
of Clone Wars. I I think Filoni has talent, but
I also think he's locked into His things, you
know, I think maybe you get older like he You
know, it could have been a new bounty hunter.
It could have been a different character. It
had to be one of his characters. Like, Ahsoka
should have died like nine times over by this
point. It's ridiculous the level of waifu plot
armor that she has. You know, I mean, I kind
of like that scene. Watching it again, I was
like, oh no, Deputy Stupid, I didn't really,
I don't know how much I was paying attention
the first time or remember, but like Deputy Stupid
got poor, But the poor Marshall shot man Because
he was he was so busy. What's what's the guy's
name? The guy who had the armor and lost it.
We mentioned it earlier in the show. Oh god Remember,
they're just they're finally doing a figure of
him. It's not come back advance advance, right?
Yeah, and and Cadban's like you need your armor,
but like you're constantly like paying attention
to deputy stupid He's constantly looking over
to deputy stupid who's gonna get himself killed
and boy did he get himself killed Like like campaign
shoots him once and shoots deputy stupid like
nine times Yeah, that's why he gets shot is because
he's constantly being distracted by the deputy
who's antagonizing this clearly dangerous character,
right? Because in an earlier he'd antagonize
the din because he's stupid um, and he paid for
that but that also marshaled the Rally the town
to help so that you know One of those things
where the bad guys kind of bring their own defeat
upon them. Although, like, the town folk really
didn't do much. No, the town folk didn't do much.
Yeah, I don't know, man. Episode seven. Yeah,
episode seven. Episode seven, let's see here,
what have I written down? I mean, for me, it's
Cad Bane, enough said, episode over, Luke and
Ahsoka. I like the end battle. The end battle
is awesome. And then that sort of cliffhanger,
well then, that's a thing. Which cliffhanger
are you talking about? At the very end. Yeah.
I'm getting his robot stomach? Yep. His uncovered
robot stomach in a harsh desert environment?
Yep. That's a good idea. No, the end battle was
fun. I like those super mega destroyer droids.
I thought that was a neat callback. I like that
Fenrickshan kind of unloaded on the Pyke's The
End. She disappears. He's like, go get the head
of our organization, and then she does her thing.
We got the reunion of Grogu and Mando. I like
that Grogu makes the angry... You get the little
King Kong scene with the Rancor. And in the end
credits, they had the production art. He's holding
like a Twilight Woman, like Kong, like with Freire.
One thing I want to point out is when they blow
up the Oasis, because this was very important
to me, hugely important to me, more important
than almost anything else in this entire show.
I studied this because it made me so angry the
first time. I made sure Max Rebo was not on screen
at any point in that sequence. So he survived
that. I was like, they did not just blow up my
boy Max Rebo. Ladies and gentlemen, David Draper
is the biggest Max Rebo fan you will ever meet.
I got all the figures, I got the Beanie Buddies,
I got a t -shirt. I do love characters that are
sort of borderline goofy, but still kind of almost
work. Yeah, and Max Rebo has always been the
band guy. He's been... Well, I mean, there were
two band guys, because there were the bands from
the first film, and then there was Max Rebo,
and Sice Noodles, and Drippin' McCool. And then
they expanded it to the stupid... You know, then
they had the horn section, and the drum guys,
and the Yowza, Joe Yowza, and... Special edition
poo. Special edition bad. You know, like, um...
But you know like the only reason that I'm kind
of excited for what what the hell is that new
show called with the kids Oh God for Star Wars.
Yeah Star Wars far from home Star Wars All I
know is there's a there's a little baby Max Rebo
in that and I love him Like I will watch that
show for the baby Max Rebo alone Is it supposed
to be a show or a movie? It's a show. It's a
TV show. You've seen the trailer, haven't you?
I think you sent me the trailer. I probably did.
It has, oh god, what's his name? I'm old, ladies
and gentlemen. Oh, Young Jedi Adventures? No,
that can't be it. No, no. It has the guy from
AI, and Chris Rock made a joke about how he was
in everything. He plays a Jedi, because every
Jedi in the galaxy but two got killed during
the purge, apparently. I don't know dude. Oh
my god. Top of my head. You talk for a while.
Okay, I'll talk for a while. Bookabobafit, at
the end of it folks, I was fine with it. I'm
okay. Like I said before - Skeleton crew! Repeat
that? Skeleton crew. Oh, skeleton crew! How did
I forget? CUDE LAW is not nowood. You law is
the guy I was thinking of Skeleton crew and it's
got a little baby Max Rebo. I love him. Yeah,
that's awesome All right Boba Fett Did the show
keep your interest without yes past the fourth
episode Are you itching to watch the next season
now, I hope there isn't another season of this
show I don't know won't be We need another person
apparently as bitter as fudge about that. Yeah,
probably Would you recommend this show to people
if you want to see Mando? Sure Watch episodes
five and six. Uh, I had a friend who got into
Mandalorian really late And I said look if you're
gonna watch season three, you've got to watch
Book of Boba Fett Right because you won't make
sense if you don't so yes, technically I would
recommend it if you're if you want to see season
three now The question is, do you want to see
season three in Mandalorian? Well, we'll see
that as soon as the ad break happens, but that
hasn't happened yet, so we'll do that in a minute.
The geek meter, what are we going to rate this?
0 to 5 with half points, oh boy. I'm probably
going to give it... The season as a whole the
seven episodes altogether. I will give it a 3
.0, which is average It's not bad, but it's not
the whole of it is not amazing There are two
episodes out of the seven that are simply amazing
and then there's the seventh episode, which is
good Other than that, I don't know I think I'm
going to go 2 .5 because, yes, those two episodes
are amazing, but they're also disconnected from
everything, which is a flaw in the overall story.
And I think there is so much wasted potential,
which ironically is how I started my discussion
of The Wolfette, is untapped potential. The Hutt
storyline goes nowhere. The Mayer storyline goes
nowhere. The mayor is useless. His advocate dude,
his Twillock in the green suit dude, the one
that is always his talking piece. Yeah, the Alan
Tidock guy. Yeah, yeah. He's more interesting
and more upfront than the action. I was like,
oh, this mayor is going to be a badass. I thought
we were going to have some sort of super special
cameo or something. I'm not saying it was gonna
be this, but I'm like, ooh, maybe it would be,
not that it would ever be Lando, but I'm like,
ooh, maybe it'll be Billy Dee Williams as Lando.
Not that it was ever gonna be that, but I'm saying,
someone like that. But then it's just this creature.
Random Ithorian. Yeah, I'm like, random dude,
no thanks. I think, and it's weird, because of
probably four out of the seven episodes, I mostly
really enjoyed If not really loved and then I
like the the the finale is okay Yeah, like but
those two episodes those two episodes three and
four just just and then part of part of seven
or part of six Wreck it for me just yeah, and
it doesn't come together as a whole which is
frustrating um So yeah 2 .5. I don't think it's
as bad as everybody acts like it is or remembers
it to be yeah a lot of good there, but like It
doesn't hold together. It doesn't gel. Yeah,
it doesn't gel because like I said it splits
into two separate series like First four episodes
most of the first four episodes is Boba Fett
escaping Boba Fett getting the character development
that he gets Boba Fett with the Tuskens Boba
Fett with this Boba Fett with that the train
sequence. Oh my god Yeah, that was a great sequence
Fucking loved it. It was awesome. Well, I'm always
yammering about how they're like how I want to
be like westerns that whole thing was a whole
freaking loot legal Western Yeah, it was basically
back to the future three without the flying part
of the train. It was the whole damn thing It
was awesome. It was great. Absolutely loved it
But then you get past the fourth episode and
it turns into a completely different show Because
it's not focused. He's there He's doing stuff,
but the focus is on Mando, Grogu, Ahsoka, Luke,
and the other characters because they wanted
to throw in that stuff. They didn't have enough.
They didn't write enough for Boba Fett as a character.
That's why they're there. Like, I'm not complaining
that the Mando stuff happened and all the stuff
that happens in episode. I'm not complaining.
I'm stating my opinion is that the writers of
this show didn't have enough or didn't write
enough back. Matter back story back whatever
to have a full seven episodes with just Boba
Fett at the center because those five five and
six. Where is he? He's off doing other stuff.
He's off here He's off there and the focus isn't
on him. So then he did whatever but it's fine
in the long run I I didn't not like it. I didn't
go away with oh my god. I will never watch that
again Kind of feeling I didn't any of that none
of that happened for me, but I say I think I
went away with it like going I Don't feel any
need to watch it again. Not not like not an angry
kind of bitter. Yeah. Yeah, I'll never watch
this again This is garbage. It was more like
I don't I don't really need to revisit this.
It's not good enough Yeah, and and yes, I love
your point is is perfectly like is spot -on those
those mental learning episodes are great But
it's another show. Yeah, it's a separate show.
It takes you out of what you were doing and puts
you in another show. And it's like, I can't give
your show credit for having great episodes from
another series. There's a video game that my
gal, Chaos, plays that, I don't know if she's
still playing it, because I think they already
beat it, but it's called It Takes Two. Yeah,
she's playing that by herself. No, no, no with
you. Oh not with she does online streaming Well,
but do their friends their game I know it's a
two -player game But that's my point my my point
here is is that what they did with episodes five
and six is a separate show and what they could
have done with Boba Fett to have him in the show
is have him as the main side of the character
and then have everything else on the other side.
That's my point in bringing up It Takes Two is
that it's a split screen view of two different
players in the game. So they could have had Boba
Fett at the center. They just chose not to. And
they chose to basically, like we've said, make
Mando season 2 .5. Supposedly, like Tamir Morrison
and I think even... Pedro? No, the woman who
plays Fenrik, who's been in everything. I'm not
doing good with names today. But they both said
they didn't realize they were doing Book of Boa
Fett. They thought they were doing Mandalorian.
Oh, jeez. Like, they didn't even realize it was
their show. Oh, wow. That's crazy. Yeah, there's
something like that. Don't quote me verbatim,
but there was something about, like, Tamera Morrison
was like, I didn't even realize that's what we
were doing with my own show. Wow, that's crazy.
All right, folks. We are gonna take a quick ad
break. Book of Oba Fett, it was okay. I wouldn't
say don't watch it if you'd... I wouldn't not
recommend it, but I wouldn't recommend it either
because, I don't know, it just doesn't seem like
it. Like you said, if you want to watch Mando
Season 3, yes, you have to watch at least those
two episodes, but the rest of it, eh. It could
be left alone. So we're going to go to a quick
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for the Mandalorian Season 3. Dun dun dun. Oh
boy, here we go. I was not expecting a giant...
you'll probably tell me what the thing is, but
giant... I don't know what it's called, the giant
alligator turtle? alligator turtle, crocodile,
whatever. I was not expecting that. I love like
like that part made me so happy. I know people
criticize it like how did how does this giant
thing sneak up on them? I'm like, I don't care.
This is a giant alligator turtle monster. Yeah,
it makes me happy. Yep, absolutely And then obviously
the pirates Okay pirates. Okay the pirates I
hate like well I like yeah, the one thing I liked
was their ship that their big ship Looked like
something that Chris Foss would design and he's
an artist I know his work. I only don't really
know his work He did like a lot of book covers
the science fiction book covers and he was part
of the crew that they assembled for Jordan Waske's
Dune film So it's got that that striping, you
know, yeah like like like like tiger stripes
Yeah, that that's kind of I think it's very reminiscent
I think they that was an homage and Star Wars
tends to do a lot of little subtle homages to
other science fiction properties Yeah, that's
an homage to Chris Foss my personal three, but
the the pirate king himself looks like swamp
thing with Easter egg basket grass on him. Terrible.
Embarrassing. And the pirates are stupid. The
pirates are stupid. They're like, we want to
drink at our old bar. And Griefcarger's like,
just come to my office. I got the good stuff.
He's like, no, we're going to drink at this school.
It's like. But they don't have any booze there
because they're a school now stupid. Yeah, it's
a school now. They change what you wanted There
wouldn't be booze. Yep, and then they all get
killed because they're idiots, which is for the
best I spoke but just like that set a bad tone
for the rest of the series like there isn't I
Love who I love his line though because it remind
it's kind of like if Han Solo was standing next
to Dean and Grogu where he's like kid Never trust
a pirate. I first thought of Han when he said
that. And the first episode ends on the Mandalorian
Castle. Mmm. Lore. Yeah, lore. And we go back
to Pele Motto on Tatooine in episode two of season
three, The Minds of Mandalore. Oh boy. And it's
R5 -D4 from the movie. You remember him. Uh huh,
R5 -D4. Who's also a rebel hero, it turns out.
I had, I don't know if I still have, but I might
have sold it by now, but I had a two pack. Funko
pops of r2d2 and r5d4. It was kind of cool seeing
them side by side But yeah Din basically has
to his quest is he has to become a Mandalorian
Mandalorian again because he's you know, he took
his helmet off He's supposed to do that. So he's
got to go to the living waters and he comes face
to face with a mythos or Well, no, he doesn't.
I mean, technically, he does. He's not that at
the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's your name?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I've been how I've
been trying to think of that actress's name for
like seven hours as we're recording. I was I
was a big fan of Battlestar. The Battlestar.
Well, I wasn't a huge fan, but I was a fan of
the Battlestar Galactica reboot. Yeah. With Starbuck.
Yep. Yep. But all I know is Bo -Katan this, Bo
-Katan that, and I completely forgot the actresses,
so thank you. But yeah, she goes in, saves him,
comes face to face with the Mythasaur. Which
is, there's all this lore about the Mythasaur
will return, the Mandalore rises again. But you're
skipping a really important part, which is what
I call anothic, which is a D &D monster. Din
gets captured by this monster. Yeah, it's like
it's like like a crab in a cyborg suit So he
drops the he drops the darksaber and then Grogu
goes back to Got a camera. I can remember the
actress's name. I can write a character's name
Bo Katan's palace, which is on another planet
someone the moons Yeah, and they come and she
she grabs the darksaber and saves din and then
din takes the darksaber back and at that point
I was like wait a minute. I thought There was
a whole Elder Wand rules where he'd been beaten
by the creature and then she got it and beat
like why doesn't she Why does he still have the
student because I got to keep the thing going
for another three episodes have a big reveal
Yeah, which like and I was both Vindicated but
also annoyed that they waited until that later
episode to be like, oh well He beat me and she
beat him and so she actually has the darksaber.
It's like Where were you back? And I realize
you're not doing it in front of all the Mandalorians
And you want to get on your side, but like why
wasn't this taken care of like five episodes
ago? Yeah, stupid. It's bad. Right? It's cheap
writing So yes, he falls in the thing and Bo
Katan saves him so that the one nice twist I
thought was that she's also accepted into the
culvert. Yeah, she's been been cleansed in the
waters living waters, too absolutely absolutely
yeah and yeah it's just one of those things where
I don't know well then we get to I looked up
the episode name the foundling no not the foundling
the pirate not the pirate guns for hire it's
not guns for hire spies No, it's before Spies.
The Convert. The Convert. When I did the rewatch
for this, I actually fast -forwarded through
most of that episode. That is where Disney Star
Wars died for me. Because the New Republic is
stupid and evil. It's bad enough later on that
we find out that Tim Meadows is in charge of
the fleet. They brought their finest SNL alumni
to be in charge of their military operations.
It's hard to believe the First Order took over.
But that made me angry when I saw it the first
time. The ending is, it's supposed to be she's
so clever, she played him like a fiddle and now
he's getting his mind destroyed. And it's like,
you know what the setting was when you left the
room? left the weird Imperial, like, former Imperial
soldier in the room with the device. You know
what the setting was. And now the setting's been
turned up to 11. And even if she turns it back
down, where are they gonna go? Oh no! Like, the
machine we designed that has the capacity to
destroy people's brains malfunctioned. It's just
like, you didn't think once that this lady who
worked for Moff Gideon, who was this guy, Pershing's
former employer, Like might have done something
who was an instrumental in like getting him to
like get himself arrested Yeah, really just just
just go sucker like and it's just the fact that
they have that machine at all Yeah, like and
it's it's it's it's like I'm a fan of this old
old thing called Doc Samson What's it called
Doc Savage? Yeah, brain fart and in the early
early ones he would take the captured bad guys
and he would use a machine to wipe their brains
and make them good people. And people were like,
well, good guys don't do that. And so he stopped
doing that. The writers stopped doing that. But
like the fact that, and they actually have a
line, because I remember it specifically, where
the calamari guy says, oh no, it's not a mind
flayer. We just use the same design for our little
gentle mind wiping machine. But but it's it has
mine. It has mind -destroying capabilities the
fact that you have this I mean, this is you know
This is when you become an adult and you realize
that America had gone not going to animal Bay,
but whatever the place was in Iraq There was
that whole you know Abu great like and it's like
suddenly America isn't the good There's a moment
where you realize that America did some really
dirty stuff. It still does. Yeah, you're like
But but this isn't the real world. This is space.
This is fantasy These were supposed to be the
good guys versus bad guys. I love that about
Andor that it's dirty It's a little dirty and
it's a little but this is we have a mind control
machine a gentle mind -controlling machine that
has a brain -destroying setting like No, you
deserve to die. You you're you're the New Republic
deserved to collapse it just it's it's slightly
less evil than the Empire and That's that's not
what Lucas intended. That's not what made Star
Wars inspirational was we're aiming for slightly
less terrible yeah aiming for a new start and
a better tomorrow not a slightly less bad tomorrow
and you know, I It's interesting. I just had
a long conversation last night with someone about
our current political thing I'm not gonna get
into specifics, but I mean our general consensus
was There is just it's which terrible future
do you choose? Yeah, and But that's why I love
that's why I need Star Wars So that I can go
somewhere where it's good guys and bad guys It's
very simple and even even when it get complicated
and or it was still relative It was still clearly
the Empire was really bad, but it was yeah exactly.
It was a good story Yes, but but my point is
it was all for nothing Yeah, like that's what
breaks my heart is is the entire star saga according
to Mandalorian season 3 was for nothing Because
the New Republic has brain destroying machines
that only destroy brains when you turn it up
to 11 They're just mind wiping machines generally.
Yes, like that is what the bad guys do. That
is what dr. Doom does that is what evil people
do and you put that in the New Republic and it's
just like You you you literally destroyed Star
Wars you ruined like and I I I know this is very
hyperbolic statement to say but you ruined it
You stained it in a way that that that you know
now I'm glad that the stupid new first group.
What is it first order? Whatever the hell they're
called in the sequel trilogy the best order the
slightly less bad guys Destroyed the New Republic
because they were evil and we find out in a later
episode that they put you know, the ladies man
in charge of their fleet. So they're stupid too.
It's not just that, again, it's another cameo
from a known actor. And I don't mean to say that
comedians can't play serious roles, but he doesn't
play the role seriously. He plays it goofy. He's
having an argument with a stupid astromech. And
then he gets played like a fiddle by the same
bitch who was just left alone in the control
room. She could just do whatever she wants. She's
untouchable. And she was in season two of Mandalorian.
I looked because I remember her. So I was like
paying attention when I watched it the second
time around. She's there. But it's just like,
it's so heartbreaking. Yeah. It makes me angry.
Yeah. We haven't even gotten to Lizzo yet. No,
no, no. We haven't even gotten to Lizzo and Jack
Black yet. We'll get there. But episode three,
it's weird. I'm going to say more about it in
a moment, but season three, episode three. favorite
thing out of this episode and after that it's
kind of almost a full Okay, which one is season
three like my brain is getting a little mushy
Mando season three. Yes season three of what
what what what happens in that episode? It's
the it's the doctor. It's the research. Well,
you know, okay, that's that's that's yeah, okay
Dr. Pershing Dr. Pershing. Yeah, okay. I remember
with season three or episode three geez. Yeah
Ooh, TIE Interceptors! I love the TIE! At first
I thought they were TIE Fighters, because they
have the sound effect that is usually TIE Fighters'
sound effect. Well, they're TIE sound effects.
Yeah, but I was like, ooh, cool! Like, that's
the coolest thing to me about The Empire, is
the ships. Like, the design, yeah, the design,
yes, is very cool. Yes, yes. But I remember when
I watched Season 3 of Mando, and I felt the same
way then that I do now. This episode was like
you just said your whole spiel about the New
Republic. This episode was completely useless
They are trying to set up a character or a set
of characters to have a story for the New Republic
in a show about the Mandalorian this episode
basically is a whole novella of who Pershing
is and how his life is and how basically this
new republic is still kind of like the empire.
There are like curfews and this and that and
whatever. There's curfews on those guys because
they're former Imperials. Well, okay, fine, right.
They're former Imperials, whatever. But if someone
is supposed to be reformed, I don't know, whatever.
I don't know if they're reformed per se, but
I get what you're saying. Another thing I want
to point out is the there is that bit when they
go to the fair or whatever they go to like a
they're they're hanging out and they see the
the top of the mountain. Yeah. You know what
I'm talking about? Like the only open land on
Coruscant is the top of this mountain. Yeah,
it's actually from like that whole thing is very
Ralph McCrory and it is from pictures artwork
that McCrory did. I'll take a picture of it because
there's like a book that's like the world of
Ralph McCrory or the world of Star Wars by Ralph
McCrory. And that plaza is a thing from from
from the book. or from artwork so you know on
the one hand that was kind of cool but on the
other hand like it looked more like Coruscant
I will say than Andor did but Andor was cooler
because like there were those were real locations
and they felt real yeah Andor was more of a mystery
it was more of a kind of like a whodunit kind
of thing. I'm talking about the art design of
Coruscant. Right, exactly, but that's what I'm
saying. The art design here is different because
it's a slightly different type of episode. It's
CGI candy and it looks like the Macquarie art
and it's neat, but there was something tangible
about the Andor sets. They found weird European
buildings and they looked cool and they looked
strange. they looked like a place where people
lived as opposed to the sort of fantasy candy
floss CGI stuff. Yeah, absolutely. The only thing
I guess, yay, next episode is my final note was,
yay, she's redeemed. Because he's redeemed, she's
redeemed, everybody's redeemed because they were
all in the pool. Everybody went in the pool.
Everybody went in the pool. That's right. Everybody.
You get a redemption. You get a redemption. You
get a redemption. Yep, yep, yep. Episode four.
Not that episode four, folks. The other one.
I love the action versus the pirates. I think
that is super cool. And obviously the pirates
get defeated, thank God. But I was not expecting
Carson to show up. I was like, yay, Carson! I
love that guy. He's cool. Okay. I don't know
who Carson is. Carson Teva? Is he the big alien
guy from Rebels? No, he's the white guy with
the beard. The Jedi guy that comes in. There's
a Jedi in that episode? No, okay. Oh! The Trouper!
The Carson Tiva, he's the... He's the X -Wing,
right? Yeah, he's the X -Wing pilot. He's with
the New Republic. The guy with the beard. The
guy with the beard. Yeah, I call him Rebel Columbo,
actually, ironically. Okay. He's always showing
up and sniffing around. Yeah, exactly. He's the
guy that ends up in the later episode where Mando
finally realizes, because we'll get to this,
Mando now has an adopted child where he wants
to be more selective in his jobs. Mando's talking
to him. I think he also wanted to wipe out the
empire. Well, yeah. Obviously. But yeah, yeah.
Because Carson, I remember, shows up. He showed
up in Ahsoka. He shows up all over the place.
He's constantly showing up. Yeah, I love that
guy. I think he's one of those... He's the guy
that goes to the office and confronts Tim Meadows.
Yes, yes. That guy. Yeah, okay. I got it now.
I remember who you're talking about. Yeah, I
love that. Because he's... There are a lot of
X -Wing pilots like Biggs, like Wedge, like other
characters, Porkins and other people that I've
known over the course of my lifetime because
of this franchise and now he, to me personally,
he's the new X -Wing New Republic guy where he's
still... He's more so into doing the right thing
without having to tell anything to the New Republic.
I think the one good thing about that scene with
Tim Meadows demonstrates is that he, Carson,
kind of keys in on, oh, there's something going
on here. We're going to have to take care of
this stuff on our own. We can't rely on central
command. Yeah, very much so. I love that character.
He's not my least favorite. I thought you were
gonna be like, oh he's Zeb. Zeb or Zev? I thought
you were gonna be excited about him because he's
live -action. Yeah, he's a live -action version
of the Anna. Zeb is cool. I like Zeb. No help
for grief and then, oh here, here's your help.
So there's that. Did I mean I liked Carson in
this episode I like that he shows up at the culvert
and he's like Look, I'm not you guys are gonna
move anyway, but I'm not gonna tell anybody that
you're here. Yeah, that was kind of cool That
was a neat little bit. I Don't dislike the character.
I'm just like, yeah, okay. He's okay Well, I
mean, yeah, okay Okay, you know like he I don't
know just like there are characters that just
kept One of my issues with the first couple seasons,
and again this season, is like, I was never in
love with Navarro, and I just kept coming back
to Navarro, and I was like, why, why do you keep
coming back to this place? And now they're there
permanently because Mandalorian is down. Now
he's got a house, there's a reason for him to
come there permanently. Right, but like the whole
point is Mandalorian is kind of like persona
non grata. Again, I wanted a dude who was traveling
from planet to planet and did stuff and didn't
just keep going back to the same planet Yeah,
I think I think it was you that said this and
if it was you I'm glad I get the credit right
if it wasn't you to whoever it was. I'm sorry
Mando season one and two were space adventures
adventures in space with Mando with Grogu with
Westerns Westerns, right? There's space Westerns
right specifically And then season three basically
puts him in either Cosby show territory or family
ties territory where they let me finish where
they bring in the rest like seasons one and two.
It was kind of like Mando on his own. Like we
have hints of the empire. We have various appearances
of like Moff Gideon or we have hints of the Jedi.
They're not directly there. Season 3, it's like,
let's throw all the Star Wars stuff into this
show now. Well, that's what I said about lore.
It's all about, like, you need to have seen Rebels
to know what happened. Or not Rebels. Was it
Rebels, or was it Clone Wars? Just know what
happened to Mandalore. Yeah, it's one of the
two. I forget. But it's lore. This happened,
and that happened. You need to know the backstory
and the lore. And the name of the show is Mandalorian.
It's not Din Djarin, so maybe it's Bo Katan's
story. There was a lot of. over to push back
about that suddenly Bo Katan story and like I
Don't know man. Like all I know is I love grief
cargoes little robots that carried his cape around
I Love that little detail that he had these little
robots to care to keep it the hem of his cape
Yeah, like like I said like that one the episode
with Pershing just It just kind of had a bad
attitude for the rest of the season The first
time I watched it, and then, you know, this time
around, I'm kind of like, yeah, let's just get
through it. This time around, I was more like,
oh, more lore. I don't mind the lore if it's
told well. I don't mind that. I guess my definition
of lore is that it's not being handled well.
Does that make sense? Yeah. If it's handled well,
it's a story. It's just part of the story. It's
backstory. But when you stop... And the character
explains that in the year blah blah blah put
you know like like usually in a lot of movies
It's the voiceover at the beginning of the movie
or the or the opening crawl or the open crawl
Well, the open crawl is a unique thing. No, I'm
not saying it's unique. I mean It was unique
and weird. Yeah, but but even even that was like
real bare bones It was there's the Empire and
Luke Skywalker and this is the thing. It wasn't
like The Darksaber was passed down from Poo -Visla
to Pee -Visla to Smee -Visla and then I have
it and it's symbolic of the thing and the blah,
blah, blah. I like the whole, again, I've already
said it. I know you like the Darksaber as a stylistic
concept. Yeah, but I like Paz -Visla because
it's freaking... It's freaking foggy Nelson from
dead from not dead daredevil. It's freaking John
Favreau That's why I like Paz Vizsla. I like
like the character. I just I love the character
I think it's weird though that he's like I mean,
maybe I have to go back and rewatch those episodes.
It's like Because the the ancestor Vizsla was
one of the normal quote normal and quote Mandalorian
who didn't wear a helmet all the time. I mean,
he had a helmet, but he didn't wear it. Because
I've got the action figure. But this Vizsla is
part of the weird Concordia Dawn Death Watch.
Which isn't a thing anymore, but that's how they
originally explained the weird sect of Mandalorians.
I don't know how we got from there to here, but
I mean the story. Yeah. So we get to episode
six and episode six is the guest star episode
because you have three guest stars in here. And
before we get to that, I just want to say all
of these Mandalorians that we get introduced
to, I don't dislike Bo -Katan. She's cool. She's
all right. But I like, like I've already said,
Paz Vizsla. I love Axe Wolves. I think that guy's
cool as hell. And I like their crew. I think
their crew is cool. I think that's awesome. But
then we get to this whole palace thing, and then
there's Lizzo, which I know some of her songs,
which is fine. And then Jack Black is just in
every fucking thing ever. Like, I get it. He's
a geek. He's awesome. He's cool. He's interesting.
Yeah, if I were Jack Black, and if I were Jack
Black, I would leverage... being Jack Black into
getting into Star Wars. Oh, no. No, no, but what
I'm saying is, but I also would handle it differently
once I got in. Yeah. Or I would be like, can
I not be, can I be in the Gamorrean suit? Yeah.
Or have the helmet? Like, can I not be Jack Black?
Yeah, that, yeah, exactly. That's what I was
about to say. Can I actually be a character that
is not just me, myself? Like, you look at all
the, yeah, you look at all the films he's been
in. I'm well if you want if you want or if somebody
else wants to do this with me I might do like
an actress spotlight on him But like I can think
off the top of my head like 17 different films
that he's been in where it's just been his Jack
blackness It hasn't really been Him playing characters.
He's had this overall at When I say attitude,
I don't mean attitude as in bad attitude I mean,
he just has this overall presence of of being
the person that he is and you recognize him as
Like I don't even know what the character's name
was. I don't know what her character. It's Lizzo
and Jack Black Yeah, well the Queen Lizzo quick
funny story about that real quick is I knew Lizzo
existed I knew there was a singer named Lizzo.
I knew she was a larger girl, but I didn't know
that was her. Like when I watched it the first
time, I knew that the second time, but I didn't
know. I was just like, this lady is terrible.
And it's funny because she underplays, underacts,
like she's just almost like not there. Like,
you know, she doesn't project much. And then
there's Jack Black, who acts for like three people,
you know, because he's so over the... So it was
funny to me. Everyone was like, oh, Lizzo ruined
it. And I'm like, which one? Wait, Lizzo was
in this? Oh, she was the Duchess. OK. So what
I'm saying is I didn't go into it with like,
oh, curse you, Lizzo. I was like, this lady is
not very good. And a friend of mine was like,
well, you know, Lizzo's a big Star Wars fan.
I'm like, OK. Well, again, she could have been
somebody in the background who the whole episode
didn't revolve around, maybe. But then she wouldn't
get to cuddle Gragu and play with Gragu. And
I was like, OK. Like I said, I know everybody
on the internet complained about them being there,
and I'm not complaining about them being there.
I'm more complaining about them being bad. Yeah,
I'm complaining about the writers not giving
them actual character. Like, it's just them.
It's just their human personalities of real life.
It's not them acting as characters. Like, it's
not her. And you were just talking about her
acting and how she kind of underacted on it.
Like, I am the grand queen of blah, blah, blah,
and my name is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah. Same thing with Jack Black. Jack Black
can go over the top at any time. Like, that dude
is, he's the lead singer of Tenacious Fucking
D. Like, I mean, come on. Well, he was. But he
is, was, whatever. But you know what I mean.
Like. So we get to episode 7 the spies Christopher
Lloyd, oh, yeah, I forgot about Doc Brown like
it's weird because like Speaking of writing I
think he was actually an interesting character
Yeah, and but it was hard for me to like really
it's hard for me to like not see Christopher
Lloyd Yeah, I don't have that issue in like the
back to the future movie any other movie he's
been in Yeah, this time it was Christopher Lloyd,
but it was it was he was a he was an old -school
separatist. I was like, oh that's something we
really haven't seen, you know, in modern Star
Wars, as a reference to the prequels and separatists.
And I thought at least his motives were interesting.
Yeah, his motives were interesting? The whole,
I have a big button and I watch it on the whole
planet. The whole planet was infuriatingly stupid.
We all vote, and we're all blah blah blah, and
we're all lazy and being taken care of by droids,
and like you can't do anything unless the vote
says you're allowed to do it. I'm like, ugh,
this is a bad episode of The Orville. That, or
it's WALL -E, but for Star Wars, you just...
It is WALL -E, yes. Oh my god. I can't stand
that movie. I'm sorry. I love WALL -E. You're
a monster. A monster, sir. Maybe I'll change
my mind one of these days, but... Yeah, yeah,
Eva I like Eva I like Wally and Eva together
the rest of that movie But my note for Christopher
Lloyd was oh good it has Doc Brown Wow, but he
looks old like he daily really ancient like he
looks He doesn't look unhealthy He just looks
old and the way that he looks And maybe it's
just the way that the man's aging. I don't know,
but he looks bad. Like he, I don't know. Like
it just didn't. Yeah. Well, you know, when 900
years old, you reach look as good. You will not.
It's the one from a Star Wars. Yes. Speaking
of which, I need to look into how old girl goo
actually is because he's 50. He's 50 throughout
this entire seat. Okay. He's like maybe 52. Okay.
So he's as old as you. Great. He's almost, well,
he's as old as Anakin. Oh, okay. That'll work.
But, like, what my curiosity with Grogu is going
forward is whatever they end up doing with him.
I know they won't change him too much, but, like,
I want to see him grow up and be a full -grown
Yoda. I want to see him be... Oh, buddy. Like,
that's gonna be such a time jump. Oh, no, I know
it is! And I don't, like... Look, it could just
be a flash forward. It doesn't have to be like
you can still have all your merchandise. You
can still have all your baby Yoda stuff and and
baby Grogu stuff and all that. They'll do it
like they did with Groot. We'll have teenage
Grogu. We kind of almost gotten this one. Kind
of. Yeah, we kind of almost gotten this one.
That would be actually one of the best things
about the season. Yep. That's what I do because
we're skipping it. Like they they semi rebuild
I .G. 11, but they make it like a mech suit for
hot minutes. I .G. 12. I do 12. I love that.
I think that is so cool, though, because he's
got the little buttons for yes and no, which
is great, because like, Roku can finally kind
of talk. Yeah, which is, you know, something
we've been waiting for. Yeah, absolutely. I have
no issues with with IG -12. I love that they
did. I love IG -12. I hated that they built them
as IG -11. Yeah, I know. Christopher Lloyd is
83 years old. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, boy. So for
83, if I look that good at 60. Yeah, exactly.
Hell, if I look that good at 45, and 45 is only
a few months away. So in season three, episode
six, Mando antagonizing the droids. That was
great. No, he was great. But I'm just like, wait,
you're really going to poke the bear on this?
Oh, he would wait his whole life to kick those
droids around. You know that. Yeah. Don't know
so I'm gonna have to look at Wikipedia because
I don't know what the fuck happened in episode
7 almost I wrote down was and Moff Gideon is
back Like which doesn't really seem to have It's
a little bit with I think what's her name? Yeah,
I think there's one episode that we're not it
might be episode 7 where I'm at best place a
Jedi Grogu has no cuz cuz Gregor has to flashback
with the armorer Yeah, I mean I'm hammering the
best guard and grogo flashback to order 66 And
Ahmed Best plays the Jedi that rescues Gragu,
which is... I've spent this episode complaining
about cameos, but that right there was great.
Because it gave Ahmed Best redemption for the
fans. The fans embraced him. They were like,
yay, this is the guy that rescued Gragu, we love
you. Yeah, people can't see this because it's
audio, but I'm literally Shaking my fist in the
air at at what you're saying because I absolutely
love it. Yeah, and look I get it. Yeah It's not
his fault that Jar Jar was an annoying character.
No But so and I in retrospect since like I was
a loudmouth jerk back in the early 2000 I was
one of those guys that didn't like Jar Jar. I
don't think I hated him that much. I was more
meaner In general to Jake Lloyd, which I also
feel like, you know, you feel guilty about that
afterwards like yeah like they hear what happened
with Ahmed best and you know, some of the other
Characters some of the other actors that have
you know, there has been harassment of actors
in the Star Wars franchise I think they overplay
that now I'm for I think I think there has been
and so I'm glad I'm glad he came back I'm glad
he got a character role that let him earn redemption.
Yeah, like the little side story when I was watching
a Spider -Man No Way Home Yep. Spoiler for Spider
-Man on the way home. There's a moment where
Mary Jane falls off of Statue of Liberty and
the Andrew Garfield Spider -Man catches her.
And the dude in the theater sitting next to us
went, Redemption! And the whole theater laughed
and broke into applause. That's kind of how I
felt when, like, Ahmed Best showed up. I was
like, Redemption! You know? Yeah. Like, it made
me happy. Like, you want to know what happened.
Like, where'd they go? What'd they do? And then
they went to a Naboo ship. So it's like, where'd
you go? What'd you do? They've done things outside
of TV and movies They've done things with Jar
Jar that make him a cool and interesting income
Like they've done the dark Jar Jar stuff and
they've done this and they've done that they
think I don't Clone Wars had that one episode
was it Bombad Jedi or was no it was a different
one We're like it really kind of redeemed like
yeah as much as I've been complaining about Filoni
Those early seasons at least of Clone Wars because
I haven't seen the whole thing so I can't say
one way the other There was a lot of good stuff
in them. And I think one of the things they did
was they took Jar Jar seriously. They did a good
Jar Jar episode where it's like they're in his
environment and he knows what he's doing and
he's useful. For me, it's not that a character
is annoying or stupid or goofy. It's are they
useless? Do they do anything that... Because
storytelling... Even novels can be a little flabbier,
but storytelling has got to be a very economical
process, particularly a movie because you've
only got so much time and so much ability to
tell everybody's story. So you've got to do something
with what you have. You can't have a lot of flab
on those bones. You can't have a character that's
there because your kid thinks it's funny, particularly
if he's not that funny. But comic release characters
are generally hated because Jar Jar really, I
mean, the only reason Jar Jar is there is for
the ending when he gives Amidala the idea to
use the Gungans for Operation Gungan Shield.
And then he does nothing in the rest of them.
Oh, then he sells out the entire galaxy to the
Empire. Yellow feligots. And it seems like a
very cruel thing on Lucas's part to have Jar
Jar be the guy that sells out the Republic. Yeah,
and then he has like a one -minute cameo and
he's at Padme's funeral but like you compare
that with like Dobby from the Harry Potter series
and like Dobby was annoying everybody hated Dobby
too but like in the final book he sacrifices
himself to save Harry which is a horror like
that's what Jar Jar should have sacrificed himself
to protect Padme and everybody would have loved
him but Dobby sacrifices himself and then Griphook
sees Harry burying Dobby by hand even though
he's a wizard And that convinces Grip Hook to
help Harry. So Dobby fulfills a function in the
story, as opposed to just being this character
that the author likes that does annoying things.
That's the thing. Everybody's got to contribute.
And Jar Jar really doesn't. Aside from the comedy
relief, which is, I mean, questionable at best.
Stepping in poop. Getting farted on. I mean,
there you go. My favorite one is is the My tongue
stuck. Yeah, it's like if it's like he put his
tongue on the on the on the pole from a Christmas
story And I have that Funko pop with his tongue
sticking out. I have the action chicken Yeah,
it's like he's putting the hands up and he's
sticking his tongue out like to be new and safe
Right there holding his tongue Yep. I'm not too
sure about the design on the Beskar Enhanced
Stormtroopers. I don't know if I like that or
not. Well, you know, I mentioned at the very
beginning that when Boba Fett first arrived,
they called them Mandalorian Supercommandos.
And now I think somebody remembered that because,
I mean, these are the Supercommandos, right?
Yeah. They're Jetpacks. And also, like, did you
even feel that they was Beskar? No. These guys
went down like quick. Yeah, they went quick.
They couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with
them shooting and then Din and everybody else
that were shooting at them were basically like
one -shot kills. Like it did nothing for them
because it was like from what I remember seeing
because I literally just watched all of this
last night. It was like here's an armor piece
for your shoulder. Here's an armor piece for
your other shoulder Your chest is not gonna be
protected at all. It's gonna be white because
people need to know you're a white stormtrooper
I don't know. It was freaking weird. I did not
like I like stormtroopers having jetpacks I think
that's cool, but the rest of it not so much Yeah,
I mean it was it was kind of a wet fart it was
interesting to see the petroleum guard show I
did like I did kind of like the scene with the
the Imperial, the holograms with the Imperial
remnants. We got to see Captain Pallion, which
I was like, yay! Did you ever read the Air to
the Empire books, the Thrawn books? I read the
comics. I don't know if I actually read the actual
books. So Thrawn is basically Sherlock Holmes.
Yeah. Pallion is his Watson. OK, gotcha. So it
was neat to see, and he was the guy who was like,
oh, Thrawn will come, one day Thrawn will come
for us and he will save us all. Yeah. So I kind
of like that. I mean, they're setting up the
sequel trilogy in that. Yeah, they're setting
up the sequel trilogy. And because we did this
out of order, we have already technically seen
Thrawn in live action with Ahsoka when we did
that show. Ahsoka came after Mandalorian season
three, didn't it? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
We did this out of order. We did the Ahsoka episodes
of the podcast before we started doing them.
We did them as our own thing. We didn't... Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. Episode 8, chapter 24,
The Return. I love that they, with Mandalorian
specifically, I love how all of this is like
an entire book. Like from season 1 episode 1,
that was chapter 1. Season 3 episode 8 is chapter
24. I think that's cool because it makes me feel
like I'm watching a chapter, like I'm reading
a chapter of a book, like a 30 minute or a 49
minute or a 48 minute, however, whatever the
timestamps are. I like that. I think that's cool
with the episode titles. It's a neat detail.
I think I'm ready for a new book. I think we're
all ready for a new book. I was so ready for
Gideon to be gone. He is gone. Yes. Well, maybe.
They can bring him back because there was a whole
thing with all those clones. didn't destroy those
he destroyed those clones but what you didn't
know is that on planet pootaboo he had a separate
clone thing the minute he got clones like they
can always bring him yeah and somehow Palpatine
survived so okay yes no I know but like For this,
and this is what I love about this season of
this show, that scene at the end with the fire
and the stuff and the whatever. And I love that
Grogu saved them. Yes, that's what I'm getting
to. I love that whole scene with the fire and
the stuff and the whatever, and then Grogu stands
up. and he puts the force field or he does whatever
he does and keeps the fire away from them. I
actually have a screenshot. I think I tagged
you on Facebook. I could be wrong if I didn't.
I might have. Anyway, I'll look later. But I
took four screenshots from Boba Fett and three
from Mando, I think. And that was one of them
is the scene with the quote unquote family, Mandalorian,
Bo -Katan and Grogu. standing with the fire around
them. Like to go back a little bit, that whole
sequence is really like like you were talking
about Axe Wolves. Yeah. Like that whole sequence
where he's like bringing the ship down to like
wreck them. And then he I was because I couldn't
remember if he got out or not. And then he gets
out and I'm like, yeah, yeah. The whole sequence
is actually kind of really bad. I was a little
disappointed overall with the season. Like that
sequence was really good. It did work. You know
what that sequence reminds me of? That's weak
that sequence reminds me of Justice League because
in Justice League Yeah, forget which It's either
season. I think it's season two When Batman tells
everybody to go get out get away I'm gonna take
this ship and I'm gonna go up there and I'm gonna
destroy the stuff and Kevin Conroy and the man
rest in peace. He's been gone two years But his
final line before he crashes the ship in the
thing for the hawk people is Gentlemen, it's
been an honor and that scene in this show is
Exactly. That's what I thought of with acts doing
the whole ship thing and then obviously he escapes
But yeah, no, I love that scene. That was so
awesome So let me do my my little side tangent
is in critical role season three There's a moment
where they have like a skyship and they're trying
to stop this big thing from happening and they're
gonna crash their ship. And it's set up to be
this epic moment, but it's still halfway through
the season. So it actually ends up affecting,
it's this amazing dramatic moment, and it ends
up being a wet fart. It doesn't do anything.
It accomplishes nothing. And you're just left
with massive blue balls. So for me, watching
this was like, yes, we finally get to see the
cool, dramatic ship crashing and accomplishing
the thing. It was like, this is as cool as we
imagined it. But the story necessitated that
it failed that other time. Yeah, it sure worked.
Proof of concept. Yes, proof of concept. Obviously,
to those that have seen this before, Din formally
adopts Grogu. He takes up on the honest contract
work with Carson, as I mentioned before, and
basically we get, and this is what Like, makes
me upset, sort of. You get another perfect ending,
but they'll screw up. It's not even a perfect
ending. It is a perfect ending. He's on the little
cottage on the prairie and Grogu picks up a frog,
but he doesn't eat it. He lets it go. Yeah, he
lets it go. But it's okay. But like, I would
have been fine with that ending if they just
did a regular fade. My problem with that ending
is they did the Looney Tunes super in circle
kind of thing. And at the end of this podcast,
folks, you're going to hear Porky Pig say, that's
all, folks, because literally the end of episode,
season three, episode eight, chapter 24, The
Return, that's what I thought of was Looney Tunes
with that super zoomed in circle. I mean, Star
Wars has always been notorious for weird, goofy
wipes. True. I just wish it was a better wipe,
that's all. That was your response, that was
not my response. They do that to focus on Groggy
when he lets the frog go. True. Because he's
learned to respect life. Yay, learned to respect
life, that's awesome. As opposed to the New Republic
who don't care and are idiots. Nope, yep, they
don't care. They're not even bringing their best
SNL alumni. Nope. No, no knock on Tim Meadows,
but I mean, he's no Kenan. Yeah, he's not. I
would respect an galactic authority that had
Kenan as their fleet controller. Yeah, and Kenan
is everywhere now. Excuse me? Yeah, I've seen
Kenan all over the place. Wait, is it Kenan or
Kell? No, it's Kenan. It's Kenan. Kenan Thompson.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen him in so much stuff
over the last couple of years. Like, he's everywhere.
I only watch YouTube and occasionally stuff on
Disney Plus, at least until the end of our season
two. Jeez. And then I'm done. Then you're done.
I hate to say this, but I have an exit strategy
from Star Wars, which is sad. One of them is
finishing this series with you. Yeah. It's very
symbolic. You know, it's like, we're going through
the series and we're finishing it. And our season
two, but that's a that's really more about and
our season one than about Star Wars like yeah
I love that so much and then the Hasbro for the
for people who don't know about toys. They did
a has lab for the Cantina which had the Tanaka
sisters as a basically like Sparkly thing that
would get people to back it They are characters
that Hasbro has said in the past they would never
make And they would never ever do and it was
he was they they are literally the impossible
figures they were never going to be made and
they're made for this and it's like What better
that were never going to be made? You know what
I mean? Like just symbolically like the two characters
you were never going to get and Just dad to sell
a $500 toy. They put them in there. So it's like
It's a good note to go out on there you go At
that point Star Wars will be another like it's
not that I'm abandoning Star Wars completely
I'm selling all my toys. I'm getting rid of my
DVDs. It's that Star Wars becomes another franchise
It stops being Star Wars and it becomes Star
Trek, it becomes Star Trek, it becomes Lost in
Space, it becomes another franchise that I will
watch on a case -by -case basis. Which is sad,
because Star Wars was a big deal to me. I think
it's all a case -by -case basis at this point,
especially now that they've had Ahsoka in live
action. They've now got Thrawn. in live action
and whatever happens with that it's always like
I'm interested to see what's coming up past Acolyte
and hopefully it's better than you guys got to
do better on the writing end of story with the
future skeleton crew it's Space Goonies yeah
and the funny thing about that and you say that
and you're absolutely right I remember watching
Goonies as a kid and not caring about it, and
I haven't cared about it since then. And I'm
like, ooh, I think maybe I should go back and
rewatch that movie and see if my mind changes
or anything. Because I've never, ever cared about
the Goonies whatsoever. I mean, I'm an 80s kid,
and I never, ever cared about the Goonies. I
don't understand the love for it. Yeah, me either.
Did the show keep your interest throughout? Yes,
for the most part. I would say for me. Yeah,
I mean Especially the first time watching I and
I stuck with it even though they were parts that
I really didn't want to watch so yeah, they get
I Was I was infested enough to see how it came
out. Yeah, absolutely Are we itching to watch
the next show or season of this now? I know the
next thing they're doing is the movie Mandalorian
and Grogu. I don't know if there's ever gonna
be a season four And like you said, it's basically
the happy ending, blah, blah, blah, Looney Tunes
ending with, you know, everybody's happy, Mando
can now go, like, I actually want, what I want
to see if they do a season four or future things
that aren't just movies. I want to see him working
with Carson. I want to see him doing that deal
that they made. I think that would be cool. Again,
like you said earlier about season one and season
two of the show, going from planet to planet,
going from place to place and doing the thing
and being the space bounty hunter. There's no
lore in that. There's no there's no sweep to
it. There's no scope to it. So the same is liberating
Mandalore. Just having some grubby old going
from planet to planet and dealing with the villain
of the week. I can't believe I just asked for
a villain of the week. Wow. I have never asked
for a villain of the week thing and I just asked
for one. Holy crap. That's crazy. Would we recommend
this show to people? Yeah, I would. I guess.
You made a good argument about it being one book.
Until they screw it up, it finishes off the story.
Like if you watch season one and season two,
an unenthusiastic recommendation for season three.
Like if you got to keep going. I mean, it wraps
up a lot of loose ends, a chunk of loose ends.
So yeah, a reluctant recommendation. You're better
off just stopping at the end of season two and
walking away. But with all of like literally
with all of Star Wars just ended season two.
Luke goes off with Grogu. You don't find out
what happens with the Academy. You don't find
out what happened with Han. You don't find out
what happens. It's fine. You're better off. You're
happy. You'll be happier that way. Yeah. G -star
on rating scale, man. I'm going to give it a
three and a half, which is good. It's a mixed
bag, but the good stuff outweighs the bad. There
might be one amazing element or lots of fun moments
to make the flaws easier to swallow, and they're
not deal breakers, but they do hold it back.
I'm going to give it a three. Overall, I think
I was disappointed, but at the same time, there
was a giant alligator crocodile or alligator
turtle creature. There was ID12. There were the
little tiny droids that held the helm of this
thing. There was some good stuff in there. Yes?
Yeah, Sidara's motto, whatever her name is, the
mechanic chick. That's one thing we didn't talk
about was the new ship. Oh, the N1 Starfighter?
Well, my thing is this, because that's actually
my favorite prequel ship. I love it, but at the
same time, It is absolutely impractical for Din,
because it's a one -seat Starfighter. Like, how
is he going to bring his bounties back? Yeah.
It looks... When they did the close -ups... It
looks cool, but like... Yeah, no. The ship itself
looks cool, but when they did the close -ups
of him in the cockpit, I'm like, whoa, buddy,
back up a little. That's a little too close.
When I actually like there are a couple shots
of when he was fighting the tie interceptors,
he's trying the ties They look great. Well, the
effects look really good. Yeah, they're good.
Absolutely But yeah, I'm gonna go with the three
I overall I'm a little disappointed with how
it ended but there's good stuff in there Yeah,
and for us at GCRN you said three so average
it's not bad, but it's not amazing either. Nothing
really stands out I wouldn't say it's forgettable,
but that's what the rating on our website says,
but that's how we ordered it. Overall, I'm good
with where we are for now. Like we've said, we
already recorded, we already did the Ahsoka episodes
outside of this because I didn't think to put
them into this because we were trying to do the
whole evergreen content, and I hate doing evergreen
content, at least for review shows. But yeah,
next up, oh boy. Force Awakens, right? Am I right
on that? Yep. Yep, yep, yep. So yeah, that's
gonna do it for us folks. I think that's long
enough for this episode. You crammed in two shows,
to be fair. Yeah, absolutely. I'm not complaining.
And a third ruminating because of the timing,
the ruminating on the acolyte. On the acolyte,
yeah. That's going to do it for us, folks. Thank
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