Ghostbusters II and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

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David Draper. Hello, Dave. How are you? You call

this archeology? My favorite line in that movie.

At least it's not Scientology, because yikes.

No, well, no. That's a different actor in a different

movie, completely. OK, at the risk of derailing

this entire podcast, true story. So I was kind

of an unhappy teenager. And in the 80s, that

was when they started really pushing Dianetics,

the book. And I saw ads for that. And the whole

thing is like, oh, this will fix your life. This

will make you better. And I was like, oh. I'm

unhappy. I don't want my life to be better. I

said something to my mom, who was a social worker,

and she's like, no. No, not getting that book.

So thank you, Mom. Thank you, Mom. Absolutely.

And we are doing a double feature again this

week or this time around. And it is class 89.

Pretty much, yeah. Which is, I graduated in 89,

class of 89. There you go. I graduated ten years

from there. Ninety -nine. Twenty -five years.

Oh, God. Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm over here like

frickin' Donovan turning into dust. Oh, no, I'm

only... He chose poorly. Get off my lawn. That's

right. Get off my lawn. Get off my plane! No

ticket! Oh Boy so I we're gonna celebrate a different

Film from 89 at some point later before the end

of the year to celebrate its 35th anniversary,

but We wanted to pair this up because we paired

up the other one with something that was Really

appropriate. Yeah, I feel I don't know if these

two films are thematically appropriate, but I'm

like What else came out in 89 that I could tear

up? The Seers of 89. That's right. We talked

about this. 89 was a big year. It was Batman.

It was Ghostbusters II. It was Last Crusade.

Star Trek V, which was a flop, but nobody knew

that before it opened. We were talking about

how UHF came out that year. It flopped because

it was up against these titans. There are probably

a lot of other films in 89 that Don't really

think of because they don't involve monsters

or Indiana Jones. You know what I mean? Mm -hmm

John Hughes or Julia Roberts something or another

I feel bad that cinema It's weird like on the

one hand. I feel like I won Cuz it's like every

movie is catered where was at one point was and

still technically is catered to my like particular

Interests, but I also feel guilty that like people

like my mom don't really have a lot of options.

You know what I mean? There aren't films for

grown -ups. And I feel a little bad about that.

There should be more mid -budget films for adults

that sit around and talk about things or solve

crimes or, you know. Not everything should be

both superheroes or dinosaurs. And that's a very

hard statement for me to make. It hurts me personally.

Exactly. Or, you know, Great Danes that need

snacks to hunt down ghosts and stuff. Follow

this kid's stuff. Sort of. That's kids stuff.

Sort of. That's little kids. That's baby stuff.

Right. So 1989, since we're talking about 1989.

Top 10 highest grossing films of 89. Number 10,

Born on the Fourth of July. That's a lot of films.

And the worldwide gross $162 million dollars.

Coming in at... You're going from 10 to 1, I

guess. I get it. Countdown. I was like wait a

minute. You're completely wrong. Oh Cuz the top

two held the top three are oh my god. Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm Yeah, but that must have been later in

the year cuz I well this is yeah probably but

yeah, cuz they It's kind of like October. Okay,

the one I'm thinking about came out in October.

Mm -hmm. Yep. There's a clip going around Instagram

about how Samuel Jackson, highest paid actor

in Hollywood, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

And it goes between him and Harrison Ford. Sometimes

he knocks him out, sometimes he knocks him out,

whatever, whatever, whatever. So the top two

films of 1989 probably went back and forth throughout

the entire year kind of thing. Number nine, A

Little Mermaid from Disney, $184 million, aka

my best friend's Erotic Awakening. Well, he did

marry a redhead, so yeah. He did. Uh -huh. Number

eight, Ghostbusters 2 at $215 million. That's

interesting, but I can't believe Honey I Shrunk

the Kids beat it at $215 million. Oh, I can.

Oh, come on. I can't because, well, Ghostbusters

is a sequel. And we'll get like, I love it, but

I can see where the complaints are. Right. And

like, like people for one of the things we forget

a lot of these franchises that have kind of like

faded over time. Kids was a big movie, like no,

no cheesy pun intended, particularly considering

that the sequel involved blowing up the kid,

I believe. But yeah, it was a big it was a big

deal. I think partly because Rick Moran is kind

of retired is why that's why that series really

isn't an ongoing thing. But yeah, we. There's

a lot like the next one is lethal weapon 2 which

is another series that we kind of forget was

a big deal Wow, this weapon 2. Yep. This is a

pressing one Mmm, those are the one where everybody

gets murdered It's the third one where they bring

in Joe Pesci and everything starts to get yes.

The fourth one is super jokey super jokey Yes,

probably because let the weapon 2 I think that's

the one we want to do is the one with the South

Africans Yes, South Africa. Yeah. Yep. Yep. I

just remember like like Mel Gibson is like Bound

and underwater and then he looks over and the

girls already dead and drowns like well. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm having a good time We yes. Yeah,

she's already dead and drought drowned it and

dead and whatever and and and Murtaugh's like

I Felt it rigs. I really felt it This movie is

startlingly good that okay, so here's the thing

folks I I watched both the films. We're talking

about today Know pretty much it but I haven't

seen the I haven't actively watched these two

movies Ghostbusters 2 and in last year said I

haven't actively watched them in probably 15

years and I remember everything Like I'm literally

quoting the the scenes before they even happen

and what's his nuts? In two, we'll get into that.

Let's see, Ghostbusters 2 at $215 million, 25

Kids, $222 million, Lethal Weapon 2 at $227 million,

Dead Poets Society at $235 million. Robin Williams,

man. That's right, phone call from God. If it

had been collect, it would have been daring.

Damn it, I miss that man. Look who's talking.

297 million and then we got franchises that have

been forgotten by time franchise is nothing it

was a it was a it was a Trilogy and that was

it. Well, that's what a franchise is do the trilogy

And it's probably a good thing that it's oh,

no, it's a very good thing I think that I mean

those movies are fine. They're they're alright,

but I think boss baby took over the look who's

talking Oh, yeah kind of thing. So who's talking?

297 million, and then the top three. Back to

the Future Part II at 332 million, Batman at

411 million, and The Last Crusade at 474 million

dollars. I am surprised. I thought Batman was

number one. I really did. Like I said, those

two movies over the entire course of the summer

and the year... kind of thing. Probably they

went neck and neck and they were probably in

and out of the number one spot. Well, and I also

wonder if they might have done like I'm sure

they did a rerelease for Last Crusade at some

point. Maybe they did that with a lot of them.

Yeah. I don't know. Still, I mean, it's like

it's a murderers row of movies. It's a hell of

a lineup. Yes, it is. At the stroke of midnight.

On New Year's Eve of the last decade of the 20th

century. America's largest city is about to pay

for the nastiness of its inhabitants. When that

day comes. When the slime starts to rise. The

Titanic just arrived. When ghosts start arriving

by the boatload. We gotta find the guys. There's

only one thing to do. Look out! Look out! Sometimes

weird things happen. Someone has to deal with

it. And who are you gonna call? Suck in the guts,

guys. We're the Ghostbusters. The superstars

of the supernatural are back to nuke the spooks.

You in the box. Ready to go. We be fast and they

be slow. Make some time. Don't put any of those

old cheap moves on you. No, no, no, no. It's

different. I have all new cheap moves. Raise

your spirits. If we don't do something by midnight,

you will be remembered in history as the man

who let New York get sucked down into the 10th

level of hell. And kick some slime. Looks like

a giant jello mold. I hate jello. Oh, come on,

there's always room for jello. Happy New Year.

Bosom. Ghostbusters II. You're short, your belly

button sticks out too far, and you're a terrible

burden on your poor mother. Bill Murray, Dan

Aykroyd, Sigourney Weaver, Harold Ramis, Rick

Moranis, and Ernie Hudson in an Ivan Reitman

film. Ghostbusters 2. You're the best! We're

the beautiful! We're the only! Ghostbusters!

We're back! Who you gonna call? Ghostbusters!

Who you gonna call? Ghostbusters! So Ghostbusters

2, oh boy, this movie. I still love this movie

to this day. I do too. Yeah, this is the like

it's weird. This is the one that I quote more

than than the first one. Mm -hmm So the funny

yeah, yeah the thing about this movie is I was

nine years old and I probably saw Ghostbusters

lip and for me and I've said this before in other

episodes I Tended to see sequels before The originals

because sometimes the originals were just too

darn scary or whatever and as a nine year old

in the 80s Whatever We were tougher in the 80s.

Nine -year -olds were tougher in the 80s. We

were, yeah. We're tougher than grad students

today. I mean, come on, man. Yeah, that's probably

true. So this takes place literally in line with

time, five years between the first one and the

second one, after saving New York City from destruction

by the shapeshifting Gozer. The Ghostbusters

have been sued for the property damage incurred

and barred from investigating the supernatural.

Oh boy. I forgot this movie literally opened

on the words five years later. I literally forgot

that. Okay. I don't know. I remember that. So

yeah, this one is basically There's doing other

things and then having to get back together because

yeah, it's it's it's Essentially, I mean if there's

a the biggest flaw with this film is that it

really does retread the original film where except

except Has a bunch of like the thing is even

though it does retread the original film like

they get they get together and they find a new

threat and blah blah blah They got to start their

business all over again But it's to me. It's

all the little details like the great part is

is one of the best parts of the film Is that

early stuff where you see where everybody is,

you know? He guns in the lab and Peters world

of psychic phenomenon and then raise bookstore.

That's so much fun Yeah characters in a different

environment Yeah Valentine's Day Bummer. Next

episode, hairless cat. Weird. Nice. It's so perfectly

Venkman. Oh, yeah. It very much is. One of my

favorite shows. Yeah, really? What's the other

one? Fast Masters. It's a fishing show. I know.

I know what Fast Masters is. Take the puppy away.

Nice looking ones. Straightened it. Yeah, you

don't want to be the one to... Be the one to

take the puppy away because then you're gonna

get that's what he has the assistant for Yep,

exactly So Ghostbusters 2 had an average estimated

30 to 40 million dollar budget And it makes two

hundred and fifteen point four million dollars

You know, I'm it's it's Another weird side note

is my my YouTube feed has been filled up with

with with Jaws related videos Jaws sequels related

videos So I know that in 1980 Somebody for 85

30 million dollars was considered a lot of money

to spend on a movie Mm -hmm. I'm not sure about

89 because they they mentioned that I think jobs

3 cost 30 million dollars now It's like an obscene

amount. I know that return of the Jedi cost 30

million dollars Those were like in the early

80s. So I'm not really sure It's just trying

to give a little bit of perspective Mm -hmm.

Like nowadays, you can't even make a movie without

a hundred million dollars. No, you can't Unfortunately

burger hundred million dollars And for a minute

there, it's not what you're talking about I flashed

to Jordan versus bird Big Mac commercials Well,

that might have cost a hundred million dollars

be Jordan bird were like well, yeah gods back

then Mm -hmm. Ghostbusters 2, starring Bill Murray,

Dan Aykroyd, Sigourney Weaver, Harold Ramis,

Rest in Peace, Mr. Ramis, Rick Moranis, Ernie

Hudson, and Annie Potts. Ahem. And? What? And?

What? And? What? And? And? And? And? And? And?

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And? And? And? And? And? And? And? And? And?

And God, it probably would have been a flop if

it did. Oh, yeah, that's just the best thing

about this movie! Yes. Are you kidding me? No,

yes, I agree with you. Yes, he is, but... Oh,

but the woo! Uh -huh. How is the baby? Baby?

Yep. Uh, and for the... For the record folks,

I'm looking at the Wikipedia sidebar and the

Wikipedia sidebar is just the main actors We

will get down to Peter McNichol and Yanosh. Okay,

but like when we get to the actual cast listing

Well, yes, but like I'm just reading off of here

for the sidebar Like he is the spark that makes

the movie Like Yanosh and the opening stuff with

the guys all split up. Yep. I feel or what make

the movie Stand as its own individual thing Because

everything out like like even though there's

the slime, but there was slime in the first movie

Yep, there's the Statue of Liberty, but there's

the giant thing going through the city in the

first movie They flipped it so it's a good thing

instead of a bad thing, but it's it's The giant

thing going through this, you know, like there's

there's a lot of repetition But like Yanosh and

and again the the early stuff with the characters

is what makes it stand out and unique Absolutely,

and directed by Ivan Reitman, which, wow, between

Meatballs, Stripes, Ghostbusters, Twins, Ghostbusters

2, Kindergarten Cop, Dave Jr., Father's Day,

Six Days, Seven Nights, Evolution, My Super -Ex

-Girlfriend, No Strengths Attached, and Draft

Day. Those were all of his directed films before

he probably either retired or passed. Let me

see. When did he? Ivan's still alive. Is he?

Oh, he is still alive. Because his son's directing

the new movies. He's not he died in 22 75. Oh

Yep, he was 75 years old when he so he must have

retired at some point. Oh, yeah Okay. Well, I

you know, you know, you never know I don't know

But yeah, he passed in 2022 unfortunately Dave

is an underrated little gem Yes, isn't that the

someone's Kevin Klein where he plays like a double

of the president And then the president dies

of a heart attack and he kind of gets like stopped

being the president. Is there any members in

that? Ben Kingsley? Ben Kingsley is really good

in that because he has a very small role as the

vice president. And you get the sense that he's

a very earnest, sincere guy who has been caught

up in all of the political nonsense. And he just

wants to do right by people. He wants to help

people. And he's very let down. by the circus

that he's gotten in. He's the kind of imaginary

political leader that we wish we had. It's like

President Bartlett from the West Wing. The guy

you wish really existed in real life. So folks

if you're listening to this episode of studio

2009 go on over to geek cast radio Leave us a

comment and let us know if you want us to do

more political films this year considering that

the election is coming Okay, you're doing them

on your own I literally cringe every time a friend

of mine brings up what's going on in the world.

Like I don't Everybody There's something in the

water man. Everybody is like rabid. It doesn't

matter what side you're on It's the fate of the

world. And I keep saying, I'm not eating at home,

maybe eating at home. I'm the guy from Day After

Tomorrow who keeps going, well, I'll be fine.

And in front of my eyes, I was like, didn't he

die? I'm like, well, yeah, he did die horribly.

But you know what? We still don't worry about

it beforehand. Everything will be all right.

That's right. Exactly. And if we did do a certain

film in Mr. Reitman's directorial catalog here,

we cannot do it until next year because next

year is the 35th anniversary of kindergarten

cop. So yes, Ghostbusters 2. Yeah, I dig it.

I have ever since, you know, since I was a kid

and all that, but I was 11 years old when this

movie came out. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no The only thing that

makes me think I saw this in theaters is because

I swear I heard higher and higher in, you know,

giant movie theater speakers seeing the end scene

with the Statue of Liberty. I wonder how much

Nike paid them for the advertisement, even though

there wasn't any Nikes in the film, but they

mentioned the brand. That would be interesting

to find out how much. You know, I don't know

when that really Like paying to be in a movie

became a big thing. I don't know either. Somewhere

in the mid -90s, probably. Yeah. Most likely.

But yeah, no, I love Ghostbusters 2. It is an

absolute blast. Even the small little nitpicky

things people could pick out of it to say, oh

my god, this is the worst sequel. Really, and

that's the thing. Back then, there was no...

we all know this there was no internet there

was no nothing there was no predicting the future

of if it was going to be good you just knew if

you were going to do a sequel you just had to

do it and the only thing that again like this

movie starts literally five years later and okay

we've got it and you just have to tell a story.

Like you said, yeah, it is kind of a copy of

the original film, but that's not a bad thing.

Ghostbusters is a great film. You want more of

it, and this is more of it. The problem with

Ghostbusters 2, I always say, is that the first

one is a classic. It is a great movie, it is

a classic, and you're following lightning in

a bottle. And, you know, anything you do is almost

by definition not going to measure up. But I

feel on its own merits. I really love the movie.

I enjoy it. Like I said, I love Janos. I love,

I love, you know, I love seeing where all the

characters are. Like, it's like, they're characters

we like. There's stuff they're doing that we

enjoy. It's like another episode of your favorite

TV show, another season of your favorite TV show.

It's more of the same and a little bit different.

And sometimes that's not so bad. Nope. Not at

all. And so my notes in line with as I'm watching

the movie, I thought it was going to be He -Man.

Everybody wanted it to be He -Man. It was never

going to be He -Man. The kids at the party. So

that was a nice little name drop considering

He -Man ended He -Man ended literally four years

before Ghostbusters, He -Man ended in 85 because

She -Ra started for a year and then no more He

-Man till 1990? Yeah, oh god new adventures of

He -Man Yes, Janos, Janos is hilarious, but he's

also a creeper. There are three creepers in this

movie Janos The baby, because the baby is even

creepy before Vigo gets it. To me anyway. And

then obviously Vigo himself is just as creepy

as Janos. Named after a hot dog. The Oscar. Yeah,

gold Oscar. The one thing I love about the mood

slime is the fact that the... Moonslime explodes

when the judge can't control his temper and the

Scolari brothers Highlight of the film the Scolari

brothers. I gave them the chair. I put them away

from murder Well, they murdered somebody of course,

they're gonna get the chair if my clients blah

blah blah They'll be exposing themselves to penalties

and you don't want us exposing ourselves. I mean

It's a great sequence. It does feel a little

like. I'm going to be a little bit blasphemous.

The one thing I don't like, but I feel. Lewis

feels a little crammed into the movie. Yeah,

Lewis and Jeanine feel. I hate that they paired

them up. Yeah, I do, too. Because I think they

lot like there was just I mean, it was cute that

she was pursuing Egon, who, like, was kind of

oblivious, and that was, you know, Yeah, I don't

know. Louis was kind of like, he's there because

you needed, because he was in the first one.

He was definitely the most, he was in the first

one character. Oh yes, very much so he was. It

was cute that he suited up and it was cute that

he shot the thing at the museum right at the

time that they saved the day and it broke and

he thought he was a hero and it was cute. And

then stuff with Slimer was, that was because

of the TV show. Yep. And yeah, and Slimer reminded

me in the first movie, because it's been a long

time. He didn't have a huge part, right? Oh,

he has that one sequence. Yeah. Yeah. So between

the two movies, he has like two sequences. And

that's how you make subtle movie magic. You get

a character and you give them one scene in each

of the first film and then the sequel. He just

goes but he wasn't a character in the first one

was a plot point, right? Either there the I always

hear Ghostbusters as described as basically their

exterminators, right? I mean basically just what

they're the paranormal exterminators, right?

And he was a roach. He was a rat. He wasn't Okay,

I mean he had a he had a characteristic that

he ate and all fell through him and that was

it and then Then he he's in that scene in the

hallway and then they catch him in the ballroom

and that's it I think he shows up at the very

end flying at the screen And he's memorable for

that part and then they brought him back as he

was in the cartoon like he was yeah They brought

back the cartoon because it was the 80s and 80s

had cute sidekick characters in the cartoons

He was in the cartoon. They they figured they'd

bring him back because it was expected and then

you know like they it was weird because they

kind of like I Mean they kind of like they didn't

really do him like they did in the cartoon because

in the cartoon he was part of the team And in

the movie he was just sort of around but kind

of helpful and it was a little weird. And then

by the time he gets to Frozen Empire, he's an

antagonist again. Oh, he just helps you today.

Oh yeah, he does. He gets the mimic, not the

mimic ghost, but the possessor ghost. No, see,

that's the thing, folks. I want you to remember

these words. I'm sure at some point the two of

us will do Afterlife and Frozen Empire, unless

you don't want to. However... I like both of

those films. Okay, good. I like Afterlife. I

haven't seen Frozen Empire yet, but I liked Afterlife

for what it was. We'll get into that much later.

Again, it's very much like Ghostbusters 2. It's

chasing a classic. Yeah. So, you know... Yep.

The only... Yeah, and then... With the next film

we'll talk about it begins and ends with the

next film. We talk about that's it There's nothing

after the next film that we talked about in this

episode of the podcast, but yeah, I'm sure So

the interesting thing here is this is the first

thing Because like I said, I was nine This is

the first movie I ever saw Peter McNichol. Before

this, his debut was Dragon Slayer in 81. Now,

I will say as someone who had seen Dragon Slayer,

at the time I did not make the connection at

all. Because he's completely... I mean, he doesn't

do the Yanosh. That's not his accent. Right.

No, it's not his accent at all. Yeah. He's also

much younger in Dragon Slayer and just a completely

different... Again, It blew my mind when I found

out it was the same actor. Not that the acting

in Dragon Slayer was so brilliant, but I mean,

you know, he's playing a young kind of Luke Skywalker

hero character. As opposed to goofy weirdo from

the Upper West Side. What side are you on? For

what? Where's he from? He's from the Upper Something

Side. He's from the upper something. So I don't

know what he's from He's from the east everything

you were doing here is bad. You know this. Yes.

Well, no no The joke is he's from New York, right?

Yeah, I don't remember honestly, even though

I just watched the film cuz gosh is not a character

I care about. Oh my god. How can you not easy?

I find him funny, but he's not a character. I

really care about all that much He's a creeper.

He's a mmm. So yeah at the end of the day, they

saved the day. They saved the baby Vigo gets

V goad or Carpathian or whatever happens to us

with the mood slime and gets sent back into Oblivion

yeah into oblivion But yeah, so this is the first

thing I had seen Peter Nickle in and I think

the next thing I saw him in was Adams family

values in 93 And then he was Thomas Renfield

and Dracula Dead and Loving It across from Leslie

Nielsen, which I remember that because I remember

being at the theater to see Dracula Dead and

Loving It. Okay, so it's the Upper West Side.

You know, it's weird. I actually saw Dracula

Dead and Loving It in the theaters, too. I don't

think I loved it as much as you did, probably.

Had you seen a lot of Mel Brooks films before

then? Oh, yeah. Spaceballs. What's the other

one? No, no, no, no, I'm saying like what's the

other one that I've seen that I know I'm not

Yeah, I know he's done more. Hello. I'm trying

to think of the other one It's either Robin Hood

men in tights or history of the world part one

Okay, so Dracula didn't loving it Spaceballs

Robin Hood men in tights and life stinks. Oh,

yeah are covering life stinks because holy crap.

I love that movie But after that, he's got, for

films, he was the voice of Fenwick in Recess,

School's Out. He was in Baby Geniuses. He was

in Balto II, WolfQuest, Stuart Little Three,

Call of the Wild. Stuart Little should have stopped

at Stuart Little One. Okay, are we talking about

Peter? Yeah. Okay. Well, he was in Ally McBeal

for years. Well, yeah, that's the TV credits.

I'm getting to that. He was in Scooby -Doo's

stage right in 2013 as Dewey Ottman voice director

video and the TV credits he his TV debut He was

in Martin in an episode of fairy tale theater,

which she'll remember that the boy who's the

boy who learned about fear Mm -hmm. Yep something

about something was something about he he didn't

have any fear and he had to learn to be afraid

and yeah Yeah, the episode title the boy who

left home to find out about the shippers Okay.

That's the episode title. Uh, but yeah, speaking

of, uh, fair, fairytale theater, Shelly Deval

just passed away this year. It sucks. Well, it's,

it's, it's sad. I have a weird thing about when

celebrities pass because like, obviously it's

sad for their families and loved ones. And you

know, if they're young enough to still be Vital

obviously you go. Oh that sucks that you're not

gonna get you but like if Somebody dies at the

age of like 70 blah blah blah, and they haven't

made a movie in like ten years it's sad for their

family, but like You know It's hard for me to

be like oh, I'm so upset this person that that

isn't around anymore doesn't done anything and

Just cuz they're famous, and I saw a movie. I

liked with them in it I'm cold, man. I'm a monster.

It's fine. So the interesting thing about this

is I actually wrote an article on geekcastradio

.com about expressing the loss and grief over

celebrities. And for me, it's basically if I've

seen them in anything and it's a profound effect

or any kind of effect on me. I will be sad because

they are gone now kind of thing. And it was just

one of those things where, and when I heard her

name be announced that she had passed, I was

like, Oh, it wasn't, it was kind of a fleeting

moment type of thing, but it was because I remember

watching fairy tale theater as a kid. Uh, yeah,

I mean, I remember I, I wasn't a young kid, but

I remember watching it. Um, I mean, it was like

a, uh, probably a preteen was out. Yeah, I have

I look I have fond memories of that I remember

the shining I remember I really like the weird

Robert Altman Popeye movie Yeah, I mean she was

yeah, it's it's it's particularly someone who's

a little older than you are like I guess maybe

I'm used to everybody who's at this point yeah,

you know most of people from the from the 70s

are kind of fading away pretty quickly and now

it's the 80s turn 90s 90s kid 90s 90 suit stars

such as they are can't can't can't leave us fast

enough in my opinion. Oh Joke, it's a yes. I

know it's a mean -spirited Bitter joke about

the quality of 90s media. We're 13 when fairy

tale theater debut Hmm. We're 13 when fairy tale

theater debuted in 84 Yes, I was because it's

always the year minus one So I keep track of

stuff, man. I'm old. I don't have time to have

elaborate systems. Year minus one. As long as

I can keep track of the number in the front,

it's fine. And the funny thing is, you mentioned

Peter McNichol in Ally McBeal as John Cage. I

think I've seen exactly two episodes of Ally

McBeal. Between 97 and 2002, I was not watching

that show. Well, not to make this the Oedipal

episode, but my mother really liked Ali McGill.

OK. So and then I kind of, you know, like you

would you would see stuff that, you know, she

would watch it and I'd watch it. And I like kind

of the first season that there was a whole season

with with Robert Downey Jr. That was fantastic.

He was this was like right in his trouble period

before Iron Man. And just the dude was amazing.

So, you know, like I watched a little bit more

of Mrs. Harrison Ford than probably a lot of

other guys did, but I liked that show. It was

okay. It was fine. He would go on to voice Kirk

Langstrom in The Batman. He would voice Kronos

in Justice League Unlimited in 2005 and then

also in 2005 where I know him the most. He played

for 94 episodes and he wrote two of those. Dr.

Larry Flynhart in numbers on CBS with David Krumholtz,

uh, Rob Morrow, Judd Hirsch, and others. But

yeah, no numbers. I love numbers is the only

television show in the history of television

that I've seen that I actually don't mind the

math in it. Well, isn't that the point of the

show? Yes. Point of the show is that math is

everywhere in everything we do and kind of thing

and yeah That's why I don't mind it because they

basically dumb it down for People like me who

can't go above like fractions. I don't do trigonometry

or calculus or really I do that all the time

Square root of Omega on right now as we speak.

Just uh -huh. Just just Larfs Absolutely Uh,

and, uh, currently he, uh, is the voice of the

wanky in Bird Girl from 2022. So that was a one,

one role thing, I think, American adult animated

superhero comedy television. No pun intended.

And then, uh, in Arkham City Origins and Arkham

Knight, he was the mad hatter. From 2011 to 2015.

So that's it that I need to check I need to look

at them on YouTube But yeah, Peter Marie nickel

Amazing actor. I love that guy. Let's see. What

else about Ghostbusters 2 Minor note. It's interesting

to note that Ray gave up smoking between the

films like he is smoking constantly in Ghostbusters

and I think by the time the second film came

out the the Mood of the country had kind of changed.

Mm -hmm It's interesting societal. No, they're

like, you know, yeah He's full -on madman in

that first that first film and then like suddenly

he stopped Um, I think like it's also I think

because it was geared more towards kids. Yeah

Yeah, this film is definitely geared more towards

kids because the okay outside of the Giant warmongering

villain that pops out of a painting the other

villain If you don't count Janos. Is mood slime?

And as long as you're in a good mood, the slime's

gonna behave, and it's not gonna go evil on you.

Yeah. I mean, you know, you do sort of have to

give them credit for, like, finding a way of

incorporating this, like, because I've been slimed

was the big, you know, the big line from the

first film. Mm -hmm. And it is interesting that

they found a way to, like, not just bring back

slime, but, like, to make it an integral part

of the central plot. Because it's the mood slime

that helps bring Vigo back somehow. The mood

slime and Vigo are connected. Yeah, the mood

slime basically contributes to all the negativity

to bring him back. Because it's New York City,

man. Yeah, it's New York City. Hello. But then

it's, oh, I need to transfer my essence into

this baby. Well, because he needs a physical

body to... Yeah. And then they there was a subplot

that is like 90 % cut out of the film and just

comes up at the very end Where he where he chooses

ray or he becomes ray? Yeah, he becomes ray.

Yeah, there was more to that in the original

film. Yeah Because where he's so innocent He's

like a big kid he is well, I mean, you know state

buff marshmallow man. Hello Yeah, absolutely.

Poor Winston in this movie. I mean, Winston doesn't

really, you know, it's weird. He definitely doesn't

really make as much of an impression as he does

in the first film, does he? He does and he doesn't.

Well, he does have the sequence, he does have

the sequence with the... The train. The train,

yeah. Yeah, he's collecting the sample in the

train. But I think the train is the more memorable

one for him because Ray really... Yeah, Ray's

really the one that has the thing with the sample.

Okay, I apologize to our listeners. I saw Deadpool

Wolverine last night, and I saw the second film

second, so there's a lot more fresh in my...

My point is there's a lot of information that

got overwritten. In between the last time I saw

Ghostbusters 2 and this podcast, I apologize.

It's okay. I'll be a little more on the ball

when we get to the second movie. Well, the second

movie, I mean, come on. Like you said, you hadn't

seen these movies in 10 years. When I was younger,

I would watch what I call The Cannon over and

over again on badly dubbed Betamax tapes. Usually

taped off of HBO or Spotlight. which was Showtime

before Showtime was a thing. And I don't really

do that anymore. It is one of the things that's

kind of fun about this little thing that we're

doing for me is that I am going back and I'm

watching movies that I haven't seen. Like Ghostbusters

2, I had seen again semi -recently because of

Afterlife, I think. Last Crusade, I haven't seen

in ages. Temple of Doom, I haven't seen in decades,

probably. You know, and some of, like, I think,

well, Lost World, I'd seen somewhat recently.

Ironically, I'd seen that fairly recently, because

I was in a mood for it. But, like, you know,

it's just, you know, these movies, I used to

watch them. I think part of it, this is gonna

sound stupid, gonna sound very childish, very

childish thinking, but, like, part of it is there's

just been more movies since then. Like, there

have been so many more. Like, back when I was

a kid, these were the movies. You know, these

movies, or it was old classic movies, and I'd

watch the old classic movies to have seen them,

But if I wanted to kill an afternoon, I'd put

on Rage of the Lost Ark. Now it's got to compete

with Marvel and DC. This was the year Batman

came out. I mean, Batman got added to the list

of movies I watched over and over again. So it's

just every year there's more stuff to add to

the list. Now I've got Lord of the Rings. In

the back of my head, there's like, I kind of

want to watch those movies again. It's like,

OK, well, find a weekend to get the time. It's

just weird that at some point you get to 2024

and you look back and like, when was the last

time I saw Last Crusade? I honestly don't remember.

It's been so long. Where I would watch that probably

every month at least at one point. Yeah. And

for anyone that may or may not ask us, the reason

why we will never cover a certain ghost film

in 2016 is because They had Ernie as Uncle Bill

Jenkins, not Winston. Are you kidding me? Get

off my lawn. Well, they had everybody. Yeah,

I know they had everybody, but they weren't their

characters. That's that's my yeah. I mean, well,

I mean, the main character heroically murders

Bill Murray and has no consequences for it. Like

if that had been a tiger and not a ghost, she

would have gone to jail. Mm hmm. Yeah, like.

As I said, I don't really want to talk about

politics, but that movie is nothing but politics.

Those characters are designated heroes because

of politics, because of their gender. I would

rather talk about Crystal Skull than I would

about that movie. I would much rather talk about

Crystal Skull than that movie. I actually think,

well, okay, again, it's another one that's been

a while since I've seen, but there are parts

that I remember I liked. I like some of the earlier

stuff with Mutt. It's weird, that's one of those,

I guess that falls into, I have this thing about

Stargate, the movie Stargate. It's a much more

exciting movie before they get on the alien planet.

Okay, it's the weirdest thing in my head like

my brain has a hard time processing that but

like the early stuff on earth when they find

the thing I get it to work That's all exciting

and I'm engaged and then I get to the alien planet.

It's like another bog standard Bad alien blah

blah blah like, okay So like crystal skulls like

really exciting until they really get into the

jungle and start the adventure before the adventure

starts. It's a great movie Like I really like

some of stuff between Ford and what's -his -name

la booth I like some of that stuff. I think once

again to the jungle and the CGI kicks in. I mean,

it's ironic that the guy that brought us CGI

doesn't understand it. That it needs to be used

sparingly. The reason Jurassic Park works so

well is because you saw the physical thing, your

brain registered it was a physical thing. It

was like, that's a real thing. And then it would

sneak in these CGI shots of it doing things that

a physical thing can't do. And you go, oh my

God, that's amazing. You know where now it's

all CGI and it's like Again to go to the next

film. There are a couple like this one is kind

of at the end of 80s Special effects technology.

There's a moment where the blue screen is very

blue screen And it's a very clearly blue screen,

and it's like, OK, I get it. You go along because

you're enjoying the ride, you're enjoying the

characters, you're enjoying the story, but your

brain's like, eh, it doesn't really hold up very

well. Where, again, with CGI, if you throw it

on the screen, your eye gets used to it. And

you go, OK. Part of it is you know it's fake.

Part of it is you see stuff that can't happen

and it looks like a cartoon. My name comes first

in the title. Red, yellow, red, yellow, red,

yellow, green. You are so stupid, just like Wolverine.

Red, yellow, red, yellow, red, yellow, black.

Wrexham is trash. Hey, you take that back. To

bring in a quick thing about Deadpool and Wolverine,

one of the things that really, one of the things

I did not like about the movie at all is there's

a character called Headpool, if you know your

comics. He looked terrible in my opinion. He

looked like a cartoon. Fortunately, he's not

in it that much, but like he looks bad. So I

just, I think, I think this. The trick is to

blend, is to do what Jurassic Park did, which

is to use it as sparingly as possible and try

to have something practical so that your eye

goes, that's a real thing. And then when it does

something, it blows your mind. And then it goes

back to the practical, practical as much as possible.

And then CGI sparingly, as opposed to just throw

the shit on the screen and go, bleh. Just watching

a cartoon. It's like, who cares? It's a cartoon.

You're not impressed. Right, whereas like these

these these you know, the the original the the

real Indiana Jones films were like Like a James

Bond film. They were all practical effects Mm

-hmm another another to go up another tangent.

I just saw a thing on YouTube that blew my mind

in live and let die There's a scene where James

Bond runs across a couple of crocodiles a couple

alligators. Yep. That was a real thing Oh, yeah,

that's not man ran across real alligators The

last one he falls nothing gets a hold of his

leg. I'm like, oh my god, he gets loose Like

that blows my mind and now it would all be CGI

would all be fake. It would all be cartoony.

Yes But I just thought they were fake like I

thought they were plastic alligators. They were

real They were real Because and and so again

the reason why those were real most likely is

because they probably were not Straight wild

alligators. They probably had. Oh, what's his

name? No, not not Not Steve Irwin. Well, no,

Steve Irwin. He might have been born, but he

was... Yeah, yeah, yeah. They probably had those

alligators or crocodiles or whatever. They were

probably trained. They probably had it. I was

thinking of Jack Hanna. They may have been trained,

but that one, by that fifth take, he was done.

Yep, he was ready for a meal. He was ready. That's

right. Ghostbusters 2. Yeah, Ghostbusters 2.

Look, the fact is we both really like this movie.

We're just having a conversation and we're drifting

off. We're sorry. It's okay. I'm not apologizing

to you. I know. I'm just saying to the audience,

it's okay. We drift off. We've been doing this

for so long. Tangents happen around here. Yeah,

I absolutely dig this. This is so fun. I'm just

gonna give it a straight five out of five. Ooh,

wow. Yep. Yep. Uh, I can't just... I don't know,

why can't I? Um... That's a good question. Why

am I knocking it? Because I really love it. I

love Yanis. You know, there are one or two little

things. But those little things don't detract

from the whole of it, though. Well, I mean, for

you. I'm going to give it a four. Yeah, OK. I

really like it a lot. I do think that the first

one was just so unique and amazing and revolutionary.

And, well, it was so good. The second one is

a little bit retread -y. It could have tried

to do something different. It does have little

flaws which add up to just keeping it from being

a masterpiece. It's really good. The 4 is a good

thing on this scale, right? Oh yeah, absolutely.

And like I said... Maybe if Janine had stuck

with her man instead of being a hoe, she could

have 4 .5. She didn't lower her aim she lowered

her expectations Now I got that stupid thing

from mad TV in my head lower expectations Alright,

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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Holy crap.

It's a fun ride. I have three notes for this

movie, because I literally remember it like I

watched it yesterday, which I didn't. I watched

it like two hours ago, and I watched it sometime

15 years ago. And I think, I'm pretty sure this

is the first time, at least I've done it, because

I don't think Steve is, Steve's a more Star Trek

than Indiana Jones, which is fine. None wrong

with that. This is the first time I've covered

the Indiana Jones films like I think we maybe

did a for overall franchise episode back in the

movie we can review days, but That was 15 16

something years ago. I don't remember So yeah,

this movie is the beginning and ending for Indy

for me It always has been and it has everything

literally this movie has everything from blimps

to tanks to The kitchen sink all the snakes and

the rats and everything in between Indiana Jones

last crusade starts in 1912 in Utah. Yeah Is

that but I think like I don't you know, I'm woefully

ignorant about America's beautiful National parks.

I think that's actually Monument Valley in California

because I mean some of that stuff is just Yeah,

probably gorgeous. Just just the landscape is

beautiful Very like John Ford Western looking

and I wonder if that's like because I know that

Spielberg was very influenced by Ford Yeah, so

I wonder if that was some of that because you

know, like like the first like the last film

was about to be Berkeley. So And Indiana Jones

is a Boy Scout who lives with his father Henry

Jones senior And you said Utah and my first thought

was Wild Wild West from 1997 with Smith and Klein.

Never a good first thought. Well, that was not

bad. Never a good first thought. But John Peters

got his giant mechanical spider. Yes, yes he

did. And then they put it in the flash. The backstory

is John Peters was a producer. He wanted a giant

mechanical spider for a Superman film. And then...

Didn't get it and then he put it in Wild Wild

West and then in the flash movie They put it

in there as a joke or is it not Easter egg? Yikes,

that's bad along with along with a Nicholas Cage

a Superman. Yep Well, I mean that was more of

a come -up in it Nicholas Cage and and I don't

want to mispronounce the short rounds. I don't

want to mispronounce I Yeah, they, those two

roles of having them, well, whatever they, you

know, having him win the Oscar and having Cage

come back and actually finally get to do super

ran. It's kind of a comeuppance type thing, but

well deserved. Uh, Indiana Jones, Last Crusade.

Uh, I loved, I just love this. This movie that

the pacing of it is fast and slow all at the

same time and it works really It's Spielberg

at the height of his craft. Yep Absolutely, it

is And yeah 1989 Spielberg, yep, absolutely And

I can't believe George Lucas is an actual good

writer on this movie. I didn't write it. Okay,

well it says story by. Lucas is a good idea guy.

Yep. Hey, how about they go for the holy grail

this time? Okay, go away now, we'll write the

story. That's right. Yep. I think I mentioned

on another thing, probably a Star Wars related

thing, that people have talents and sometimes

the problem is that people want to do things

beyond their talents. Like when we get to the

sequel trilogy, J .J. Abrams should be a casting

agent, because he's brilliant at it. I will never

say that the sequel movies are badly cast. They're

really well cast. Those actors are really good.

And actually, I think Abrams is a good director.

I don't think he's a good writer. And Lucas is

a good idea guy. And as someone who writes, I

when I say that someone's a good idea guy, there's

a lot of reverence in that statement like having

good ideas is I'm half the game and like the

thing is like half the books, you know a book

comes out and it's badly written and people go

well Who's even reading this but like the idea

is really good If you have a good idea and a

mediocre execution You'll still do well better

than having a great execution and a mediocre

idea. Yeah, so I But Lucas is not a good writer

And he's not a good director, because I don't

think he's good with people. So yeah, who's credited

as script? Isn't it Huck? I don't think it was

Casden. I think it was Huck. I don't know. What's

interesting is I didn't see Kathleen Kennedy's

name anywhere near this one. No, it's not. So

ha ha ha ha. Wow. Oh, whatever, man. Come on,

sir, I'm, look, I hate to keep my eyes open,

but it's a little bitter -y. Okay, you green

-lit Andor, which I love, so, you know, I'll

keep the gloves on, but, you know, maybe you

could have had a fucking plan with a sequel trilogy.

Maybe, maybe, maybe grownups would do that. Temple

of Doom writers Willard Huck and Gloria Katz

chose not to return to this both doing other

commitments and feeling satisfied with the work

in the second film. Throughout the film's development

and pre -production Spielberg admitted he was

consciously regressing in making the film due

to his commitment to the film. The director had

to drop out of directing Big and Rain Man. Lucas

there's a suggestion making film a Haunted Mansion

movie. No Go back to your corner George. No,

that's where you get the castle sequence From

which romancing the stone writer Diane Thomas

wrote a script Spielberg rejected the idea because

of the similarity to poltergeist which he had

co -written and produced and according to some

reports directed To see if there is a specific

Imagine the stone is a good film that nobody

remembers and they point out Out of all the Indiana

Jones ripoffs, that's probably one of the best

ones. No way This was a Chris Columbus script,

okay First draft dated May 3rd 85 changed the

main plot device to garden of immoral peaches.

Oh my god Yes, thank you presidency United States

man we are all about the election this year folks

not really but Well, you said you Song from Yeah,

he is. OK, he was hired to write one, but it

was Wednesday, May 24th at theaters everywhere.

Let's contain that much. So Spielberg is dissatisfied

with Columbus. Oh, God. Script notes on this

is just gives me a fucking name. That's why I'm

like, oh, God, just give me a freaking name.

But I don't care anymore. It doesn't matter.

It's at how long to. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Any Jones last per se. basically follows him

throughout his life and he finds... You don't

follow him throughout his life? You make it sound

like it's the journey of a young man growing

up. There's an adventure in his youth which sets

the stage. It's a little... Because it is the

last one and the other ones don't count, I'll

kind of forgive it. It is a little much that

every aspect of the character gels in one adventure.

the bullwhip the scar scar with the bullwhip

the outfit because the guy that he's kind of

the Yeah, the guy that's still in the cross of

Coronado. He's called jacket He's called jacket

and the other guy he's working for Panama Hat

He's the guy in the Panama Hat and they Indiana

Jones believes that the cross Coronado belongs

in a museum It's cultural, cultural appropriation.

He steals it back and there's a big chase and

they end up in a circus train and like I said,

that's where he falls into the vat of snakes

and then there's a giant, there's apparently

a giant snake that lives in a tub of water. It

almost gets gilded by a rhino. It's just this

whole, and then of course this whole sequence

is set to John Williams music. So that just makes

it so much more fun. And there are just little

things that the reason I love Indiana Jones.

The reason I love this character more so than

James Bond, more so than even like Batman, even

though it's not Harrison Ford in sadly River

Phoenix who had a tragic loss, but there's a

moment where he whistles for his horse and the

horse comes and he jumps and the horse moves

and he hits the ground. It's not even like super

slaps. He doesn't like land on his butt He doesn't

land on his but I think you can only but like

lands on his face, I think But it's not like

overly dramatic. It's like a guy who jumped and

missed. Yeah, and I love I love that Indiana

Jones is human And like he's this really awesome

dude who still makes mistakes and still fails

and still fumbles But generally is a super badass

that is so much more of an interesting character

to me Than someone who is just utterly unstoppable

than the Terminator basically, you know, I mean

the Terminator is a great villain, but he'd be

a boring, to me it's a boring hero. It's one

of the issues I always have with Superman. In

order to like make Superman interesting you have

to make the villains also very heightened and

suddenly everything's very heightened and Metropolis

was getting raised. Where Indy is very human

and very fallible and that's part of the fun,

you know, and like I said, he almost loses his

little Indy to the rhinoceros. he falls in the

thing with the lion and gets the whip and he

cuts himself, you know, just this whole wonderful

sequence and then he escapes to a magic trick

in the caboose and he goes and runs home to his

dad and his dad is just cold as ice. Makes him

calm down and then the dad isn't like the voice

of Sean Connery but the actor somebody else.

You don't even really get to see him. Yeah, you

don't see him at all. It doesn't. All he does

is he's working on his grail diary because it's

all that and it's establishing. This is Steven

Spielberg. This is why Steven Spielberg is a

great director, kids. That one scene establishes

that they have a cold relationship, that Henry

Johnson is very smart because he makes him count

in Latin, but also that he's obsessed with the

grail. And all of that is established in this

scene. And then the sheriff shows up, the man

in the pen and my hat has gotten to the sheriff

first and convinced him that the cross belongs

to him. So he has to give up the cross and he

doesn't like that and and the guy the the archaeologist

guy or the grave robber guy Basically says you

lost this time, but you don't have to like it

and he gives him his hat gives him the iconic

That's right. And there's this great cut where

indy looks down. He gets the hat put on his head

He looks up and it's harrison ford. Yep, and

he's on the ss coronado in the middle of a storm

and he's he's got he's he's he's he's this is

his big chance to get the cross of coronado back

and panama hats walking around and There's a

big fight, and crazy things happen, and the ship

blows up, but Indy gets away with the cross.

She's been looking for his whole life. And exactly

why I said, it's basically Indiana Jones, young

Indiana Jones, and his whole life from that point

forward. But there's literally, well, okay, where

are his adventures in World War I? Okay, well,

maybe that was... There was a whole TV show that

was his life as a young man. Right, I understand

that, but I'm saying, like, to the point of the

plot of this movie, of how he got all the stuff,

which is amazing, like, yeah, it's a little hokey

that he got it all in this one film, but... It's

a little George Lucas -y to have everything crammed

into one adventure. But at the same time, would

you want to wait a whole two years, like... If

they were if they were going to do a proper Indiana

Jones for after Last Crusade, let's go. OK, but

there is no such thing. OK, yes, because there

is no such thing as a proper Indian Jones after

Last Crusade. Right. And it's not because the

next two were bad. No, I. By the way, Jeffrey

Boehm, George Lucas Mignot -Miez, I can't say.

Philip Kaufman were on the writing credits for

Last Crusade. Yeah, George got story and George

got characters, which means that he created Indian

Jones. Screenplay with Jeffrey Bohm. There you

go. That guy. That guy. There you go. But my

point is, is that so a lot of things that started

and ended either in the late 80s, early 90s never

really got more. And that's the thing with this

movie. Yes, for me. It's interesting that you

say that because we were just talking about how

like 89 had Star Trek 5 and Indiana Jones 3 area

and Indiana 3 and Ghostbusters 2 and you know

like like there's this weird and thing about

like Oh sequels are a modern affliction is like

dude I grew up with other movies and the Jaws

movies and yeah exactly Rocky and Jaws and Rambo

and and I think there's like three Muppet movies?

I mean, it's like they weren't really sequel

sequels, but they were a series of Muppet movies.

James Bond movies. Yeah, absolutely. I'm not

even getting into the horror films. No, let's

not. The idea that things were sequelized now

is goofy. It's not true. There were five Frankenstein

movies back in the 30s. Come on, calm down. Yeah,

it's not a it's not a modern -day Hollywood problem.

No modern the modern -day Hollywood problem is

they are Okay, the yes, I know Okay, but the

modern -day Hollywood problem is They have so

tent pulled themselves into these franchises.

Yes, you know Jones Batman Superman Justice League

DC Marvel, whatever it is That they can't and

won't they can't start anything new and if they

try to start something new They don't give it

an I more so equate this to TV shows than films

But TV shows specifically if you don't make a

million bucks for these streamers or for whatever

You ain't getting an exit. No, I know but like

okay, but like we knew that that for a lack of

a better example The Cosby Show, Cheers, I mean,

specifically for lack of a better example, Cosby

Show, we knew that was gonna kinda, that has

nine, whatever, how many seasons it has, but

like Cheers and Knight Rider and Airwolf and

whatever. Those shows in the 80s, they had to

basically do what they did to make sure you got

a second, third, and fourth season. That first

season, Knight Rider had to do all that it did.

To make sure. Yeah, but Cheers famously, the

only reason Cheers stayed on the air, I believe

it was Brandon Tartakov was a big fan of it.

Well, that's the thing. It had abysmal ratings.

Yeah, that's the thing. Like Cheers and Seinfeld,

they're like these stories of shows that like

started out really rough and then became icons.

Yep. Because they, because people had vision.

Yes exactly people had vision but my point today

is if you had a cheers like show for today's

audiences on netflix or disney plus or wherever

it doesn't matter because it's not. People it's

not family sitting down in front of a television

to watch any television show it's streaming it's

watch it whenever you want. This that the other

thing whatever else if it doesn't make a million

bucks Which half of them never do anyway, then

you're never gonna see another like look at acolyte.

We've talked about this before I literally just

edited the episode where we had The whole beginning

portion of it where we were talking about acolyte

acolytes not getting a second season folks Sorry,

not sorry. It's honest to God. I don't know.

Okay. Well I don't know Yeah, the last I knew

it was not getting a second season. If I'm wrong,

I'm wrong and I'll correct myself. I'm not blaming

you. I'm just like, I am not ruling out any bad

season. No, but like, it's just like, I can see

them, there's been a lot of rumbling about like,

oh, she's pushing and there's a fan, blah, blah,

blah to have a second season. And like, I couldn't

find that petition. I looked for it. But like,

that one is like the... of all the bewildering

decisions and I was what I was gonna kind of

go with was First of all streamers don't make

money anyway because they don't have commercials

So it's just the streamers they make money by

bringing in subscribers and the problem with

that model is at some point you hit Presumably

like even if you had every person on earth subscribing

you would hit a set number and you've got as

many people as you're going to get to subscribe

subscribing and you know and The irony is a bad

show can get you to quit. But I don't think that

I mean, because I know there are a lot of there.

I can count on I count like a dozen shows that

I'd be like, I'd like to watch that. But I'm

not going to sign up for another damn subscription

service. Right. And there are several shows that

I've either dropped out of because I haven't

been able to get the episodes or never seen because

I'm just I'm just not I. It's stupid to do. I

mean, it's like I'm not going to pay for cable

and like Pay for 50 subscribers services. Yeah,

it's a bad model And that's one of the reasons

that you're getting a lot more commercials in

your subscription services and you're gonna get

more Movies are different. I think the problem

with movies is that They're shooting they they

just shoot for the stars. They want that billion

dollar payday To make that kind of movie you

they presume to make that kind of movie you got

to spend 200 million dollars and that price is

out a lot of other potential movies that you

can make, you know Right and also part of it

is that you also got to make it for the foreign

market so that like and that means that like

dramas and comedies get the shaft because they

you know comedy doesn't translate necessarily

well in another in another country in another

language right dramas like they want stuff like

like fast and furious where nobody really has

particularly important dialogue it's all action

it's all visual Mm -hmm, and that's that's why

they go with stuff like Marvel and that's why

they wanted to go with Star Wars and that's why

they want to go with action movies and The problem

is that you spend so much money on these movies.

We we talked about the 2016 ghost movie they

spent so much money on that that like It either

had to be a massive hit or it was not and it

cost them a fortune Yeah, that's the Lucasfilm

lost a billion dollars last year That did chunk

of that was spinning 400 million on on a non

-existent fifth Indiana Jones movie was also

First for first for Disney Plus. It was the willow

show that nobody watched and they pulled that

off the air as a tax write -off It's just these

things are so bewilderingly expensive. That's

mind -boggling that you're playing these games

that you don't Mean on the one hand is kind of

good because at least they're not all absolutely

bland cookie cutter lowest common denominator

Go for what's necessarily gonna be successful

Mm -hmm, but at the same time is not really when

you're spinning three hundred dollars of the

house three hundred million dollars of the house

money It's not the time to like do your personal

thesis your personal statement your anthem right

that Acolyte was 180 million dollars which, you

know, and it was like, Leslie Hedlund's therapy

for her issues with her sister via Star Wars

was probably not a good call, and I can't foresee

a world where Disney ponies up that money again,

but I don't understand how Disney ponied up that

money in the first place. I can see them doing

Andorra season two, because Andorra got a lot

of buzz. Andorra got a lot of public, particularly

after it ended. People were like, the people

who watched it were like, you idiots. And other

people can't do that. This is really good. It's

like, yes. I mean, they're doing season two of

Ahsoka. I don't know why. Because I guess because

it has to set up the stupid movie that we're

doing because we have to do the movie. But it's

like the whole streaming model is a money loser

at the end of the day. It's ridiculous. It should

just be, I mean, Netflix made money basically

by like, hey, here's old stuff that we're showing

that you want to watch. Here's mash or whatever

they had. Here's the office. It's like it already

got made everybody got paid Back then you didn't

even have to pay out for streaming services because

nobody knew what that was Yeah, that's a little

different and then and then Netflix got cocky

and made their own stuff like yeah, orange is

new black and House of cards and then stranger

things is a big hit and then Disney smoked a

lot of crack cocaine and Just decided to bankrupt

themselves Yeah And the thing is, like you're

saying, the model of the way the movies and TV

are consumed nowadays has changed over the last

30 years, I will say. And the reason why I say

30 years is because we didn't really have the

internet in the early 90s. It kind of happened

at the tail end of the mid to tail end of the

90s into the 2000s and on forward and This is

what I'm saying about the whole thing with this

movie with last crusade last crusade Along with

Batman along with back to the future 2 along

with honestly that entire top 10 I already listed

off. Those are movies from a time where You didn't

have online you didn't have immediate reactions

let me scroll down here so i don't screw up my

script you didn't have oh my god i'm a keyboard

warrior and oh my god i must give you my anger

of why i hate this movie you didn't have that

40 years ago 35 years ago when last crusade was

you didn't have any of that you didn't have everybody

going off because they got offended of something

on TV or in a movie or something you didn't have

that you either liked it or you didn't like it

end of story and if you didn't like it you just

for me if I don't like something I'm just gonna

say hey it wasn't for me wasn't my thing didn't

really like it it is what it is and I don't and

I to this day 60 I've been doing December 8th,

12th, I forget which one it is. It's either December...

December 7th, a day that would live in infamy.

Yes. Thank you, Michael Bay. I know that's not...

No, no, no, I know, it's a joke, it's a joke.

I know, I know, I know. But it's either December...

8th or 12th, whichever my very first podcast

was, 16 years ago this year. For 16 years here

on the Geekcast Radio Network, if I didn't want

to do something, if Steve didn't want to do something,

if we didn't think we could add something to

the conversation of whatever, we weren't going

to cover it. You're never going to hear me do

a Lord of the Rings episode. anything Lord of

the Rings anything it might be somebody else

on the on the GCRN and I'm perfectly fine with

that but that's not my thing that's just it's

just not my thing you're never gonna hear me

talking about a boy wizard ever because that's

just not my thing and I've told this story plenty

of times before I moved to Biloxi Mississippi

in the year December of 2000 I moved to Biloxi

Mississippi and my first thing Anytime I moved

anywhere and still to this day is, well, maybe

not today since they probably don't exist unless

it's in a corner shop somewhere. I would always

go and find the bookstore because I grew up reading

and I wanted to get in good with the local bookstore

and the booksellers and the this and that, whatever.

And I went to the local at the time it was Borders

and I said to the lady, I remember this like

it was yesterday. Her name was Angie. I said,

hey, this is what I like reading. What can you

point me towards? She pointed me to two things,

a boy wizard or a former lingerie buyer turned

bounty hunter. I was 20 years old at the time.

Can you guess which one I picked? I'm just what

is a former lingerie buyer? Someone who used.

Some think of full of brush or Tupperware parties.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay Yes, I get I

get the references Yeah, so Stephanie plum created

by Janet Ivanovich Again, this is the edifice

episode. My mom would know what you're talking

about. I love those books Yeah, so Stephanie

was a former lingerie buyer turned bounty hunter

And, yeah, I have not looked back since and I

have not had any interest in Harry Potter or

Lord of the Rings whatsoever. It's just not my

thing. If other people want to come to us and

say, hey, we want to do episodes of Studio 2009

covering these films, go for it. I have no ill

will. I am sitting here surrounded by my... I'm

listening to this hatred of the fantasy genre.

No, and I'm literally like literally my computer

set up is to play D &D on on game night I have

all my D &D books like literally all around me.

I feel very attacked. I feel very hurt. Oh How

am I attacking you? This hatred for fantasy.

It's such a great genre Like, you know, you know

that start like to be a pedantic jerk, you know

Star Wars is more about Lord of the Rings than

is about Star Trek Faith withers with their magic

thords Yes, yes, but they're in space. They're

not in forests where we see their big We're gonna

hate them. By the way, I rolled a 16 to smite

you I Really am like literally in my little D

&D setup. Yes. Yes. He is folks play online All

my friends live far away, but like okay Look,

I'm joking around. I get it. Yeah, I don't like

I don't like horror movies. I don't like movies

where a guy wears a mask and slashes a bunch

of teenagers. I like monster movies. I like creatures

because I think that's interesting. But I don't

like what they call slasher films. It's not interesting

to me. So I get it. We all have our thing. We

all have our things that we like. We all have

things that we don't like. That's fine. I'm a

little sad because it would have been fun to

do Lord of the Rings, but you know... And it's

not that I dislike... I want to make this clear

for the audience. I do not dislike... You're

already on record as saying that you hate Harry

Potter and you hate Lord of the Rings. No, it's

not what I said. You spit in the face of anyone

who... who enjoys losing themselves in a little

fantasy. That's not what I said. Hey, I'm a huge

fan of 1987's Masters of the Universe. I can

lose myself in fantasy. Thank you very much.

Wow. Yeah, that's the movie to bring up. It should

have been, hey, we already brought He -Man up

in the other part of this episode. So what am

I doing over here? Oh, yeah. OK. Last Crusade.

I have to say, yeah, remember that film? That

was a good film. Yeah, that was a good film.

It literally just got to the part where he got

back to the university, which is a great, which

is a fun sequence because it shows him overwhelmed

by his fame. Well, not by his fame, but by being

a professor. Like, like it's a character archetype

that I really like, which is the guy that's like

the badass in the field. And then normal life

is just beyond his capacity. I mean, cause, cause

it's, I don't think that all the students were

in his office to like, cause they were hot for

him. I think they were just, they were students.

And, you know, if you've been to university,

you know, like you're always pestering the professor.

I think he was overwhelmed, which was a fun little

scene. Absolutely. No. Yeah. He has to sneak

out the window. That's hilarious. I think that's

when he gets picked up by Donovan's men. Yep.

And I assume taken New York City. I think Barnard

College is supposed to be in New York, I believe.

It's a major skyscraper skyline and it's in the

30s. So I assume it's New York. And Donovan sets

up the whole quest for the grail and Indy sets

up that like his father was the guy with the

grail expert. And that's when he finds out that

it's not really he's not really looking for the

grail. He's trying to rescue his father. His

father was involved in this mission and disappeared.

Yep, and then that turns into the grails quest

the grails Wow, I pluralized it grail class Well,

I mean there are grails at the end is multiple.

Yeah Yeah, but that's a carpenters grail. Nobody

would have done that which is weird cuz like

Like that is clearly metal, isn't it? It's so

okay. Yeah No, okay. So here this is the best

I can give it So I looked really what I looked

like really close not because I'm legally blind

or anything But I looked really close at the

cup this time because I wanted to be able to

have this conversation actually Wow Thank you

it is I believe in my personal opinion after

looking at it and examining it it is a Pottery

cup that is laced with gold on the inside It

looks like something that would have been made

at a my mom used to take pottery classes all

the time in the late 80s when I was a kid, so

it looks like Something that would look like

the like the grail Knight says Yeah, it's it's

it's indeed that says it's that the other thing

yeah So yeah, I want to say it's a pottery cup.

Okay, to me it looks more like it was like bronze

or brass. I mean, it was clearly like I had a

tarnished exterior and then the inside was clearly

some kind of like metal. Yeah. For some reason

was weird, like particularly because they make

a point about it. I felt like it should have

been a wood. You know, I don't know. It's just

weird that it's a metal cup and it is very shiny.

Because the whole point is that it's supposed

to be very humble compared to all the other fancy

grails. False grails. False grails, yes. So it's

always been a weird note for me. Yeah. And then

Diamond turns into a billion years old and explodes.

And they bring the grail back to Henry and they

do a little trick where they pour it on his little

injury made out of alka -saltzer. Yep, and buzzes

and boils and washes away and the music swells

and I like that it takes a second Like it is

it's like it almost takes a second for like his

body to like go through all the recovery like

it's like Yeah, they're not away. He's still

like well. Yeah, there's still a bullet in there.

Oh, okay. Now I'm better Yeah, I like that. It

takes takes a lot too. And wow, there are a lot

of grails. Holy crap Yeah, what a thousand years

did what was he gonna do? Okay, yeah, but like

no, I'm just meaning like literally I looked

up on Wikipedia the holy grail is what I just

searched and while there's because Again, it's

been two thousand years. Everybody told their

own story. Everyone's got their own depiction

Yeah, but again, I'm saying like I personally

think it looks like a Cup that could have been

made in pottery class But the inside is laced

with gold and the only reason why the inside

metal is gold to me is because you had to have

something shiny To read on screen. Yeah to read

on screen But to because when you see it like

when Indy sees it amongst all the other shinies

You he only sees it from the outside. We only

see the inside gold color ish of the thing because

it's on the crevice and elsa and indy both want

to reach for it and when he picks it up you can

kind of see the inside of the bowl when he scoops

it into the water yes you can see it there and

it is yes yes yes yes by the way dan brown said

it was the child of christ not even a real cup

i believe it was dan brown he's the one that

did uh That book that was really successful and

made in a movie with Tom Hanks and I can remember

literally everything but the name of the friggin

book Da Vinci Code. Yes Da Vinci Code. There

you go. Yeah But yes, he gets the grail the grail

Knight Does the you chose wisely? He also does

the warning of don't take it past them the seal.

That's the price of getting the eternal life

is you cannot remove it from the thing, which

is more than fine to me. Isn't it? Like to me,

that's always bugged me because like, number

one, how to get there in the first place then.

Well, that's not where they had the last supper.

No. They had to get there somehow. Why did they

suddenly arbitrarily put a seal like it is? You're

gonna establish a bunch of rules like with the

arc. It's very simple. Don't open it. Don't look

at the thing Don't don't don't gaze on a thing

that you're not Worthy of looking upon with the

rocks. It's like you invoke Shiva and they glow

and apparently they're hot. I There's not a lot

to it, but that's fine. But this one is like

It's it's here, but you can't use you can only

use it once and you can't go past the the seals

And by the way, that's a real just as a side

I think it's called Petra It's an actual historic

world historic site. I have no idea how they

got permission to film there but if you notice

there are a lot of shot a lot of very wide shots

of characters and Then when they cut to like

close -ups, it's all blue screen Mmm, and then

at the end instead of the whole thing crumb if

you notice the exterior doesn't crumble It's

just like there's a puff of dust and dirt comes

out the door Very easily to clean up Because

it is an actual world historic preservation site.

I think located in Jordan Yeah, there you go.

But this movie this I love the I love the motorcycle

scene That's a good parents really love it Well,

and you know because we kind of we just had like

a weird super jump like we didn't talk about

what is kind of the highlight of the film Which

is the tank sequence? Yes, which is the truck

sequence of this film. It's it's the big it's

the truck sequence It's the mine sequence. It's

the tank sequence. Mm -hmm. And I kind of complained

that everything felt very slow. It felt weird.

It felt off there was particularly in the scenes

where the actual live actors felt slow. In this

one, it is slow, but that's because the tank

itself is very lumbering, and it works. The tank

is an inexorable enemy, and the slowness of the

thing, it works. It's a great sequence. It's

a fun sequence. Mm -hmm. I know the guy that

gives gives in the tank to Sultan is played by

Alexi sale who if you're a fan of British the

young ones he was the brothel off ski fan or

not the profile off ski but like the he was a

He was a major side character in the show. He

played like this entire family that like were

their their landlords. Oh Very cool. Yeah Which

means that's that's two Lucasfilm young ones

references because I played Vivian was in uh

In my Skywalker, I believe There you go. It was

a cool moment cuz Mark Hamill was like, oh my

god Young Ones is here! And I'm like, yeah, that's

good, boy, too. And then he's like, oh my god,

Luke Skywalker thinks I'm cool. Like, that's

gotta be a good day. Hey, man. No, that's gotta

be a good day. You're in a Star Wars movie and

Mark Hamill comes up and is like, hey, can I

just like hang around and get a picture of you?

Like, damn, man. Young Ones is a good show. It's

a very funny 80s British comedy, very anarchic,

very crazy. my favorite my favorite joke because

they always have like a musical number from a

from a popular British band at the time like

towards the end of the show and they're going

it's madness it's madness it's madness and then

suddenly they break into our house like it was

very slang love that that's amazing well have

we got a video if one more person asks have we

got a video smash this tv over your head have

we got a video That's hilarious. Someone's probably

going to tell me, Rick, me? I was in this thing

from Lucasfilm. I thought, okay, well, I didn't

know that. I didn't know. I didn't know who played

Mike was in the Lucasfilm thing. I just know

that Vivian and one of the, Alexi Sale. Yep.

So, Indiana, Henry Jones Sr. has, no, does, wait

a minute, hold on. I'm trying to think well,

let me jump in here real quick and I'll say that

a man Sean Connery brings real life into this

like it's not that the second film was a slog

but like He brings it like he's got an energy.

He's got a charm Yep, it's really fun to see

them together. Mm -hmm Indy is a different Lenny

reacts with father differently than he does anybody

else. He always calls him sir. He's right There's

that moment. We're like Just like when they first

meet he like immediately stands up redrod straight.

Yes, sir, junior Yes, sir, and just you you you

see why Connery was a star. Oh, absolutely Super

like he's great in that role. It's a great role.

He's great in it. It's kind of heartbreaking

that I didn't want to do Or the next film that

we will not speak of yes He apparently he was

offered and he turned it down It kind of retired

at that point. I think Well, I think that's the

only thing I cuz I know he retired cuz I remember

famously he passed on Gandalf a little cheesed

he passed on Gandalf and he did the last film

was League of extraordinary gentlemen and You

know, that's your last business decision. Maybe

you just kind of go home in a funk. Um, I Could

have been Gandalf Literally definitive Lord of

the Rings movies, but I was Alan Quartermain

in League of Attorney gentlemen Which is a movie

that exists? Yeah, it's a pretty good movie.

I remember seeing it. Okay. All I know is that

they added Tom Sawyer and I was like a done Minute

you add an American to that movie. I'm out cuz

I read the comments. Yeah Who was like we gotta

have an American in there so Americans can empathize

with America. Oh, okay Okay, Doki. Done. What

I was going to say was I thought he had more

than this. No, no, no, it's fine. Because I wanted

to make sure that I wasn't incorrect. He has

two Funko Pops. He has his original Funko Pop

as Henry Jones Senior, which I have over on my

shelf. And they have the ride for the motorcycle.

So it's him and Andy. on the motorcycle. Well,

I will say, as much as we kind of have slagged

on Crystal Small, the one good thing that came

out of it, in my opinion, well, pretty much the

one good thing that came out of it was that Hasbro

did a toy line. And so we got a Henry Jones figure.

Nice. I was very happy about it. It's very nice.

And then ironically, famously, I was on another

podcast a long time ago and we were talking about,

I got in this big, the reason I quit that podcast

was We're talking about, remember they did Galactic

Heroes, Hasbro did the cute little, they're not

Imaginext, but they're kind of like Imaginext,

and they did them for all their properties, they

did them for GHO, they did them for, they started

with Star Wars, and they did Transformers, they

did GHO, and they did Indiana Jones, because

it was around that time. And I just remember

that a lot of those ended at the same time, and

a lot of the ones that I really wanted were part

of that last wave that only got released overseas,

or in another country. One of them was Henry

Jones. It was Henry and you know, the funny thing

is I don't remember who Henry was with it was

Henry somebody else and then the GI Joe one was

had a viper which like I collect vipers It's

mine. One of my staple things I collect from

GI Joe and then I made the mistake of saying

that they did predicking from Transformers Okay,

their dude. I don't even to this day. I don't

know some white dude Guy on the podcast cuz I

wasn't the Transformers guy. I was I was supposed

to be the Star Wars guy and this is ours for

Force Awakens Yeah, and like stars had nothing

going on in toys But like I made a mistake of

saying that I got that predicting one and that

dude flipped out on me Like you would think that

that thing was made out of plutonium That I had

stolen it from like Fort Knox and this is like

I heard they canceled the line and then have

been released in Japan and I went on eBay got

it This is the simplest pot and this dude was

like screaming at me to identify the other figure

in the set which Notice I don't remember to this

day But like as soon as the recording was over

I went downstairs took a picture of it with my

middle finger And yeah, I put the broadcast after

that I've never been back on oh That was that

was weird he was like don't Google it don't Google

it tell me what the other figure tell me that

other figure don't Google it I'm like And again,

I don't know it's some random character that

I don't know or care about cuz I like Predaking

and I still whine about that and said he was

mean to me and I could complain about it and

I cry about it to this day everything Every time

I do like a walk through of the collection. I

do like pictures I always make a point of taking

a picture that predicting because like but the

point senior which was a which was also Only

released overseas like I because the point of

the anecdote was I got three of them that were

released overseas Because they didn't get released

in the u .s. And it was Henry and it was the

viper and it was breaking Hmm camera. I got it

not starting to crazy camera who comes with Henry

It's not solid is it mmm, I don't think so. I

think solid was a separate figure. They were

pretty keen about keeping all the popular ones

separate. Oh Yes, Indiana Jones last year said

I absolutely love this movie. We will be revisiting

it again this year because we will be going through...

I didn't have enough time because I didn't plan

my time apparently accordingly enough to both

watch the movie and do the soundtrack at the

same time. So we will be doing a separate music

episode discussing the actual soundtrack to the

film because... Which is a really good one for

the record. Yes, very good. Yeah, and that's

you know, what was John Williams? Of course.

It's good. Yeah. Yeah, it's good for John Lee

No, it's no it's good because of what it's good

because it's John but it's good because it's

freaking good like He weaves in all this kind

of medieval Yeah, it's fantastic. It is one of

his best. It's one of my favorites. Yeah, absolutely

Harrison Ford folks debuted 1966 Dead Heat on

merry -go -round, on a merry -go -round. He was

the bellhop pager, and he was uncredited. No,

I can think of his pager, Mr. Harmon, Mr. Pee

-wee Harmon. That's right, yep. 1967, a time

for killing. He played Lieutenant Schaeffer.

He was credited as Harrison J. Ford. And then...

He was like the famous story is he was working

as a carpenter when they cast him for Star Wars

Well, he had him he was in American Graffiti

because that was yeah Is that something we need

to cover I don't yeah, I don't even remember

that movie I mean, I've actually never seen it

believe it or not. Oh, it is a tribute George

Lucas's love of cruising and cars It actually

did pretty well at the time. It got a weird sequel

that nobody remembers or likes. If you want to,

we can. I'm not like, no, I will never watch

that movie. Weirdly, I'd be like, I've never

seen that movie. I'm not really sure what I'd

get out of it because I didn't grow up in the

50s and I'm not a teenager anymore. Like Ford

had a very small part. He was an antagonist,

I believe, named Bob Falfa, which has led to

the theories that Boba Fett comes from. That's

kind of, yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Yay,

late 90s internet. I'm repeating that as a fact.

Confirmed. A rumor I heard on AOL back when most

of you weren't born is the 100 % that Bob Falfa

is the inspiration for Boba Fett. Wait, where's

the cowboy hat? The way Boba Fett has a cowboy

hat is because Bob South had a cowboy hat. It's

the same initials. Yep. There's no such thing

as coincidences. Nope. Nothing. No. So American

Graffiti released in 73. More American Graffiti,

the supposed sequel, releases. That's when we

all get shipped off to Vietnam and die. I'm not

even being a sarcastic dick about it. That's...

I think at least one character gets shipped off

to Vietnam. No, I'm trying to read the little

tiny blurb without clicking on the thing, so

I don't have to read the whole thing. But my

point in bringing up the sequel is because what

I was trying to say earlier about how films took

their time. 1973. Was the first one 1979 was

the sequel so six years between films versus

maybe two years now Well, and some of that I

think was yeah, I mean there were other factors.

It was probably said 1979. Yeah, 79 Might some

of them might have been to try to like well also,

you know, the thing is American Graffiti. I don't

know. I don't know for a fact, but I know in

the late 70s There was this there was there was

a pattern That kind of got interrupted with the

80s. Yay us where There was a nostalgia for 20

years before because I know you when you were

a kid and you grow up and then you look back

And in the late 70s, there was this big nostalgia

for the 50s, right? I'm not gonna say that American

Graffiti kicked it off But like I think it was

part of that early wave because there was like

happy days Yep, and there was there's a lot of

50s oriented stuff looking back Yeah, and and

also I think maybe Lucas's kind of profile had

been been raised because of Star Wars So they

wanted to cash in on you know, it wasn't it was

a hit like he made that movie to He made TXX

THX 1138 and everyone was like, oh, you're not

good with people. It's so cold It's so heartless.

And so he made American Graffiti to have more

like it was more human story It was more so that

one warmth, you know, it's supposed to be like

hey Hey, I understand you human people. I understand

my fellow humans. You know you don't, you droid.

I mean, that's why there's a whole sequence that

got cut out of Star Wars where Luke is hanging

around with Biggs and Deke and Windy and Cammie

that was filmed. I've got it on a thing somewhere

downstairs. But, you know, like because it was

the show that he's a human and he enjoys human

things like the rest of us humans, like your

friends and wasting time at Toshi Station. and

not just cold droids and spaces and, you know,

machines. So the American Graffiti was his way

of showing that, like, you know, I understand

the humans. I am one of them. Really. Yeah. So,

yeah, Ford, American Graffiti, Star Wars. Obviously,

we've already done the Star Wars stuff for now.

Anyway, Force 10 from Navarone. I remember that.

Didn't he? Yep. Force 10 from Navarone, 1978.

Another great film. that I love that nobody remembers

exists, is one that's on your list. It's called

the Frisco Kid. Gene Wilder. It is so good and

nobody remembers it. It was on cable fairly a

lot when I was fairly young. Gene Wilder is a

rabbi in the 1800s. I'm agreeing with you, yes.

Oh yeah, okay, thank you. He gets assigned to

San Francisco. I think he was supposed to marry

someone there and he's trying to cross country

in the 1800s and he gets cowboy times. And basically

he teams, Ford is basically Han Solo on a horse

and befriends him and helps him. And you know,

they run into bandits and bullies and thugs and

Native Americans. There's this whole sequence

where like, Like Wilder has to prove his faith

to the Native Americans because they don't know

they're presented a little more complex than

they did in the old westerns because it's all

about faith because the whole thing is he's got

a Torah. This is how I learned about what the

Torah was, which is, you know, basically the

Bible, probably supersimplifying it because I'm

a goyum. But like the whole thing is he's protecting

this thing like he will he will die rather than

let this thing be be injured or destroyed. And

it's it's it's a good movie. It's got Harrison

Ford. That gee wow there like it's a really neat

movie that like has been lost to the sands of

time Yeah, absolutely so The the thing about

his filmography that I absolutely love is that

It's the roles that you wouldn't think That Han

Solo would be in Well, the asterisk Harrison

notoriously hates Han Solo. Yes, I understand

that. Which is why I understand why he's in everything

that he's done to separate himself from that.

Like Sabrina or Working Girl. Yep. Or Frantic.

Well, Frantic's kind of a... Well, you know,

Frantic probably, if that had been released a

few years later, it would have been a Liam Neeson

movie. It's got that... It's got that Taken vibe

to it. That Taken vibe. Get out of my head. But

for me, outside of Indiana Jones and Star Wars,

regarding Henry, 1991, he played Henry Turner.

Yeah. American drama film, tricked by Mike Nichols.

Got shot in the head and became a child. Yeah,

but how did I not know this? It's written. One

of my favorite Harrison Ford movies is written

by Jar Jar Abrams, really? I did not know Regarding

Henry was written by J .J. Abrams. K? That makes

it was not particularly well received. It wasn't.

I still like it. Really? Regarding Henry? Yes.

It's one of my favorites of his. Okay, I was

setting aside Star Wars and indie if I was to

make a top five Harrison Ford movies list regarding

Henry would be on there Sabrina would be on there

because I saw that in theaters when I was 15

Air Force one would be on there random hearts

would be on there And sadly, I think that maybe

42 maybe Cowboys and aliens, but those are stretches

Odd what's odd? Oh God God I Said maybe though.

Those are straight. Okay, so the ones I can definitely

say random hearts from 1999 Air Force one Sabrina

and regarding Henry Those are the ones I can

safely say and other than that. I haven't seen

anything else. He's done other than the Expendables

3 Because he was the drummer in that he would

not the drummer He was the character of drummer

in that I have not seen the anchorman movies.

I have no interest I have not seen Ender's Game.

So yeah, but no, I mean Harrison Ford is is Hollywood

royalty and he's got a really really great I

mean, there was a time, I think in the 80s, maybe

early 90s, he was said to be the last real movie

star. I think you kind of got to give it to,

uh, Cruz. Yeah. Because Cruz is a... Alright,

let me see here. I'm sorry, I'm calling up my

IMDb, because I'm curious. What are we looking

for? Like, why non -Lucas... My non Lucas Harrison

Ford list would be Frisco Kid. Not in order,

I'm just like in order of what I'm seeing. Blade

Runner. Witness. Fugitive. Those are the ones

I really like. That aren't... Mosquito Coast.

Something's bad in it. My problem is, I got a

weird personal backstory on that one. And then

Apocalypse Now, that was like a friggin' super

cameo. Like, beyond cameo. Like, yeah, like one

line. Okay, so I also have a top, we both have

top four, Harrison Ford. Not in Lucas -related.

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what happened to the rest of this episode actually

we do have the closing of the episode so we do

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