STUDIO 2009
Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Lost World: Jurassic Park Review

About this Episode
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mr. David Draper. Hi Dave. How are you? Let's
get this movable feast underway. Yes. It's going
to be a boulder of a podcast. Don't you know
folks? As today, we have a double feature. It's
been a while since we've done a double feature,
but we've got Raiders of the Lost Ark and then
it's all about the Lost World Jurassic Park.
So this episode is Raiders of the Lost World.
And I'm not sure if you're gonna say it or not,
but I believe we should mention that the second
half of the feature was suggested to us by a
fan. Mm -hmm. Yes. Wasn't that, was that Brad?
I forget. Somebody said, who was it that said
it? I forget who said it. I think it was my buddy
Brad Mallenny. I posted on Facebook, like, I
don't know. Oh, the image of the Tyrannosaurus
in the San Diego housing development. I'll make
sure I say San Diego correctly, because when
I posted it on Facebook, I accidentally said
San Francisco. I mean, they're all Californian
cities. They're all the same to me. Uh -huh,
that's right So Yeah, Brad was like if you have
any questions if you have this if you have that
if you're not understanding anything I don't
I don't want you. I don't want it to let me know.
I don't want I don't want it to ruin your I'm
like, yeah my understanding of the plot has nothing
to do with my enjoyment or not of these types
of movies because These just ain't my movies.
I prefer car crashes to dinosaurs. Hmm. Well,
I mean it and it's really I mean I prefer dinosaur
movies, but like there's really only one thing
in the film that I think Needs an explanation
and we'll get to it. I'm sure mm -hmm and it's
more of a That behind -the -scenes kind of thing
where like stuff was cut mm -hmm I'm sure I'm
sure I'm sure you know what I'm talking about
because it's towards the end of the movie, but
yeah Yeah, and the way it's set up. It doesn't
make a lot of sense, but yeah Yeah, we will get
to the dinosaur returns because oh boy. Oh boy.
But first up is Raiders of the Lost Ark. Wow.
Okay. I get it. Even with everyone not liking
the Big Bang Theory, you know, pointing out the
fact that Indy has no outcome to the end of the
story. It was I really enjoyed it. It was damn
good except for me they're pointing out the It's
the point of the film is he never he never actually
gets the treasure right like Okay Go on. I'm
sorry. I just mentioned something that I hate
so I know I know I know everybody hates it because
everyone hates the Big Bang Theory It's fine.
It's okay, but you're right. Absolutely. He never
gets the treasure My problem is, and this is
my biggest, this is my biggest bias here is because
the only one I ever saw as a kid and as an adult,
because there's nothing past Last Crusade, was
Last Crusade. So I know my bias, damn it. But
as I'm watching this, I have, the only thing
this film doesn't have is Henry Jones Senior.
That's the only thing this film does not, the
first film does not have. to me personally, it's
the same story. Yes. I mean, again, you're pointing
out like it's a feature, not a bug. It's like
a James Bond film is basically the same story
over and over again. It's like a modern day Bond.
Yeah, that was I mean, I think I even said on
the podcast the story of how this came to be
was camera I think Spielberg was in Hawaii after
Close Encounters and and Lucas was there after
Star Wars and they were talking and Spielberg
said I Would really like to direct a Bond movie
one day and Lucas said I have something better
And it was intended to be a series. That's why
I said when we were talking about lost world
that Spielberg really didn't do sequels He'd
never done sequels Right and obviously he'd done
the other Indiana Jones movies all two of them.
Um, but like Indiana Jones is a series. It's
it's it's hard to explain it and then I get it
Yeah, but you know I can see I can see a normal
person going. Okay, you're just sort of splitting
hairs here but yeah, I mean and one of the things
that I really sort of Interested me about doing
this and thinking about this Was the way the
Indiana Jones movies and in a way the lost world?
Kind of wish Spielberg did more sequels because
I think he has an interesting take where Raiders
and Jurassic Park set the template right and
then each of the sequels took an element from
the template and played it up so that the both
the both lost world and temple of doom play up
the darker elements and Then last crusade played
up the lighter elements, right? Um, and it's
just it's just interesting to me that but you
know, because usually it's just basically it
is literally the same film, you know John McClane
gets caught up with terrorists again. Another
shark attacks Amity Island again. You know, it's
the same movie over again. And then Last Crusade
wasn't so much because, you know, there were
different locations, different characters. Right.
I mean, it's the same formula. Yeah, that's what
I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when I saw Sela
for the first time here, I'm like, oh, hey, look,
it's Sela and I'm like, okay Look buddy, you
got a that was that's reversed. No, I know I
know it's I know he's debuted here. I get it
I understand that but for me because I had never
seen this before even though I knew he was in
the movie I'm like, oh, hey That's yeah But no,
I know that that is a complaint actually about
last crusade is that both sala and brody Are
much more cartoonish than they are in raiders
and raiders. They're more serious. I mean sala
has some good jokes Yeah are funny lines, but
but he's he's he's goofier in last crusade Brody
is completely like like if you're a martin brody
fan You probably don't like last crusade because
they they really kind of undermine his I mean
it's the best joke one of the best jokes in the
whole film where And he gives this long speech
about how he speaks a dozen languages. He's been
to a hundred countries. He's blah, blah, you
know, he, he, you know, he'll blend right in
and he's wandering around. Hello. Hello. Does
anybody speak English? Anybody speak ancient
Sanskrit? Yeah. No, that was, that's hilarious.
And what is interesting to me is with Raiders
in all films of this era type is because we just
recently in episode 81 we did my buddy Steve
and I did this this new segment on the show that
I started now where the movie box office x number
of years apart so we'll take like 1981 and compare
it to the 2021 US box office as far as like what
were the number one films what were the top grossing
what's the top 10 from each of those years 40
years apart and we're going to do that going
forward Like sometimes we'll do 30 years. We'll
do like 20 1986 to 2016 or whatever kind of thing
and in that I had said that I hadn't seen Raiders
yet, but I understand why it was number one in
81 and whatever else and the the cool thing to
me about Raiders is that it Just It was just
so interesting seeing a movie that doesn't have
the reason why I'm losing my mind here the reason
why I'm bringing the other episode up is because
in that we were also comparing the box office
from 81 to 2021 because the companies the film
the distribution companies 81 it's like Paramount
and Warner Brothers and Sony and Disney in this
and nowadays Disney and Warner Brothers and whatever
own pretty much everything kind of like, you
know all that stuff So the reason why I say that
is because when I watch this I'm like, oh It
says in the very beginning a paramount picture
a Gulf and Western in a Gulf and Western company
I'm like Gulf and Western. What is Gulf and Western?
So I have that up here and I'm like, oh, okay
Interesting. They were a conglomerate that was
founded in 1934. So, yeah, that was really interesting.
It was just a little thing at the beginning of
the movie that I noticed about that. But yeah,
no, Raiders. When was the last time you saw this
before now? How often do you watch Raiders? You
know, it's interesting. I was thinking about
this. I might have seen Raiders more than I've
seen Star Wars. And it's probably been a few
years since I saw it, but I saw it as I think
I mentioned They do this thing where they pull
out the soundtrack and then they they show it
in a concert hall and they have a live they have
the concert playing So I think that's the last
time I saw Raiders Was was the soundtrack was
played live in concert. We had terrible seats.
And then of course last year I was at Disney
World So I saw the stunt spectacular which kind
of retells the story, you know Has the airplane
in it So yeah, I'm very... In a way, it's a movie
I revisit more than Star Wars, I think because...
Star Wars is a big deal to me because it was
my childhood. Raiders, I love the film. I saw
it probably about four or five years ago in IMAX.
I don't know, it's been more than five years.
It's been like seven or eight years. But they
re -released it in IMAX, and we went down to
St. Louis to see it in a real IMAX theater. And
I remember that time I'd seen it so many times
That it was almost like being in the matrix or
like I was watching the door I wasn't watching
the story because I'd seen the story so many
times, you know Which is what happened when we
were watching the original story films. I'd seen
it so many times But this time I was watching
the directing Like the whole scene at the airfield
with the flying wing. Yes watching Spielberg
set up the dominoes piece by piece And it was
it was so much fun to just watch to kind of see
behind the lens and see him directing and putting
the pieces together. And it was it's such a like
it's it's it's Lucas doing what Lucas does best,
which is come up with the idea and put people
together. And it's Spielberg doing what Spielberg
does best, which is directing. Yeah. And it really,
you know, it really is a modern classic. It's
a great film. Yeah, absolutely. Has great action
throughout. The plot is interesting. Yeah, I
went into this with an open mind. You got dragged
into it. I guilted you into this. Yes, you guilted
me into it, but I still went into it with an
open mind. It wasn't like... I'm trying to think
of a movie that I've seen that I will probably
never watch again. Uh, whatever, insert movie.
It isn't like I saw this movie 40 years ago or
whatever, and I never want to see it again at
like, like, okay, perfect example. I've only
seen bits and pieces of Temple of Doom, but I
know I never want to watch Temple of Doom. I
have no interest in that movie whatsoever. Uh,
you'd have to pay me a million dollars in order
to get me to watch Temple of Doom. Really? Yes,
really. Why you get a million bucks I wouldn't
spin it like I Put this way when we when we get
again when we get to lost world Obviously, like
I've said that I like that film But I didn't
know how you were going to bounce. I didn't know.
I wasn't necessarily recommending it. And you
still don't know how I'm going to bounce. And
I want to find out when we get there. I almost
wish you had tagged me in that one thing about
Raiders because you said you liked it in it.
And I was like, I wanted to find out now whether
or not you liked it. But I understand that not
every... In fact, I think my opinion and your
friend's opinion about Lost World is a very minority
opinion about the film. And it's kind of like
I think with the way the Indiana Jones movies
go Raiders is considered like the standard everybody
likes Raiders and then you either bounce towards
Temple of Doom or you bounce towards Last Crusade
And I probably have more of the Last Crusade
guy I kind of like the more fun light -hearted
stuff, but I still I still kind of like Temple
of Doom even though it's dark I mean, it's it's
the movie they made when everybody was getting
divorced. Yeah, so it's dark and scary and nasty
It's the it's the lesser -known Empire of I Don't
think it's lesser -known like I would know but
I'm but I'm saying like if you compare Empire
Strikes Back in Temple of Doom Most people are
gonna go to Empire before they go to Temple of
Doom. I think yeah. Yeah, cuz it's it's it's
it's it's darker, but it's not Dark if that makes
sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, no, I get it and
I like I don't know like like I am There's certain
movies that like I may not like haven't I may
not want to see but like, you know You're interested
in it and I don't know. I guess it's it's fair.
I think everybody's cup of tea. But like yeah,
my thing is Like I watch a lot and I used to
I don't watch as many movies I used to but I
used to watch movies that I didn't necessarily
Like that weren't in my wheelhouse, you know,
I mean like like I don't like horror movies Um,
I like like slasher movies, you know, but I grew
up in the 80s So it was kind of expected that
I watched Friday the 13th movies and Halloween
movies and Nightmare on Elm Street movies And
you know like I like I love monster movies. I
love creature features Because they're to me
they're more fun But like you know I just you
know that When you're you know when you're with
somebody you watch a lot of movies you don't
necessarily want to see mm -hmm Oh, honey, let's
go see Secret Life of Pets I really had no plan
to go see the 2016 Ghostbusters, but somebody
else wanted to, so, you know. I don't know, I
was just... I'm not gonna push you to do Temple
of Doom, because you... When did you see that,
age -wise? Oh, God, when did it... Hold on, let
me look here. 1984. Okay, so I was four at the
time I probably saw the bits and pieces of it
86 87 maybe oh my god, so you were like like
I was six or seven Yeah, I was six and or seven
depending on which year it was I was six and
eighty six seven and eighty seven and like you
My mom showed me all kinds of horror, which is
why I'm not a horror fan. Okay Well, my mom didn't
show me the horror films. Okay, but I'm like
classic movies like okay But but my point is
the slasher scary the the Nightmare on Elm Street's
the Friday the 13th the the Michael Myers the
whatever My mom used to watch that stuff all
the time and I was right there with her watching
it and that's one of the reasons why I've grown
up not to be a horror fan because Don't like
to be scared in movies and that's a point that
I will bring up later when we talk about the
dinosaurs see Like like Joss came out when I
was four and I think it got re -released at some
point when I was a little bit older and like
there was no way my mom Would not take me to
see Jaws. She would not I was I was Eight when
alien came out, you know, and obviously it's
a science fiction movie. Of course. I want to
see it No, like I didn't see those until I was
a little older on video In fact, I can't I can't
quite remember when the first time I saw Jaws.
I might have seen Jaws 2 on TV before I ever
saw Jaws She was a little too protective Jaws
was 75, Jaws 2 was 78. Yeah. Well, I mean, like
I said, I didn't see either in the theaters.
In fact, that's when I was injured a couple years
ago and I was really One of the worst thing about
that entire experience, aside from the incredible
pain and loneliness, was the fact that they re
-released Jaws. I was like, oh, I could have
seen it in the theater. But no, that was a big
deal. I really wanted to see it in the theater.
But the point being that when I said I had to
see all these other movies, because everyone
I knew, all my friends were like, ooh, the latest
Nightmare on Elm Street, ooh, the latest film.
And those movies don't scare me. Like they'll
do crap that startle you. Sure. Yeah, it's just
more that they're boring like especially because
like as the 80s went on and and nowadays Like
the whole point of the early films was the gore
It was the effects and they cut that more and
more as the series went on as all this different
series went on So that really the only the nightmare
films were even remotely worth watching after
a while because at least they were creative and
inventive, but it was just Here's a bunch of
stupid teenagers that nobody likes. All right,
they go off, they go to a place they're told
not to go. They do things they're told not to
do and then they get slaughtered. Yep. And a
lot of times all that crap happens off screen
and it's like, or a quick cut. It's like, why
are, why are we watching this? Who cares? At
least, at least the creature feature, you have
the creature. At some point you got to show the
monster and that's kind of, you know, And so
it's just generally a little more fun because
the monster. It sounds weird, but it has more
pure motivation than than than like to this day,
I'm always confused by the Friday the 13th things,
because apparently Jason didn't die as a child,
but I thought he did. I thought that was the
whole goddamn point was that Mrs. Voorhees was
murdering people because he drowned as a child.
He popped back up as a zombie. And then, but
no, apparently he was they they retcon that part,
too. And I just I just thought it was a zombie
man. Because I wasn't really taking notes when
I watched that on the USA Network back in 1985
Yeah, yeah, I just People people people like
what they like, I don't know. Can we get back
to Raiders? Yeah, sure. We get back to an actually
good film. Mm -hmm So yeah, I was And one of
the things that surprised me with doing that
box office episode we did This had a budget of
200 million. I know 20 million Sorry, I read
it wrong 20 million and the box office is three
hundred eighty nine point nine million dollars.
So the funny thing is This is for you not the
audience because by now everyone will have heard
episode 81 of the podcast the top three grossing
movies in 1981 were all six -digit figure movies
the other Seven films were under six six figures
whereas in 2021 all ten of them or maybe nine
out of the ten of them were all six -digit Box
office money makers. Well There's a little thing
called inflation my friend true. Yeah, like like
1981 bucks are not the same thing as 2021 bucks.
No, not the same thing as the 2024 bucks No,
not really. No. So where do we want to go with
this? What do we want to get into first? What?
I mean, because it's your first time for both
of them. So why don't you give your impressions?
OK, so let's see here. So I'm going to start
with as far as the history, because I have no
history with it other than this morning. What
level of a fan were you heading into the prep
work for this? I loved Last Crusade. I love the
character of Indiana Jones. I love the characters
that he surrounds himself with, like Sala and
other people. And I wish that we had gotten more
Indiana Jones films back then, not necessarily
2008 and 2023, because that's way too long of
a time difference and Just no, but I like the
character. I think the character is fun. I think
it's interesting. I think it's really cool with
Raiders I was Like there really isn't those Jumps
and it's not a scary. It's not a scary movie.
It's not supposed to be but there you know the
some of the effects in it some of the necessarily
the blood but like the the facial effects like
when everybody gets Yeah, but not necessarily
that not not necessarily that but like when we
see the the the people who have done before in
the beginning where they they're trying to get
a four -stop yeah, yeah, and I'm like, oh and
Once again my bias I get it because I saw the
other one first When the the other dude I forget
what the dude's name is in the beginning he's
like, oh we should just walk over there and he's
like No, just stay back and then he's like he's
there's nothing to fear here. Mm -hmm Yeah, exactly.
Yeah by Alfred Molina Doc Ock Yeah, and I wow
he was young when he did that really young like
I barely recognized him Think I saw it. I mean,
it's been a couple years. I saw it on the internet,
but I was like wait that's Alfred Molina. Uh
-huh. Yeah Yeah, so in all these traps and all
the time that India's doing the stepping stones
All the only thing that's running in my head
Jehovah begins with an eye you moron It's the
only thing that was in my head when I was watching
him step over the stones in this film because
I'm like Wait a minute, he does this again later.
It's different because there's a different pattern
and there's different tricks. Again, it's a series.
There's always the traps. There's always the
stuff he's got. But I like the traps. I think
that was cool. I think two of the images I screencapped
on Facebook were my two favorite images. It was
one of him at the beginning when he first reaches
the idol. And then one of him at the end, right
as the lightning strikes, as he's standing on
the thing at night, when they're about to find
the arc. So yeah. No, I like the pace. The funny
thing is, I felt like this movie went too fast.
It didn't go too fast like, oh my god, blink
and you miss it. It went too fast like, holy
crap, this is 1981. I thought movies were slower
back then. like it just felt like We went from
scene to scene to scene to scene to scene and
the time on this make sure this right a hundred
and fifteen minutes so Just under two hours.
Yeah It didn't feel in this movie to me felt
like it was 35 minutes yeah, I think that's kind
of again like Testament to the film it's supposed
to be like a Russian adrenaline ride. Mm -hmm.
Absolutely No, I after a while I stopped taking
event the adventure I was I know this is a incorrect
opinion, but The whole truck blowing up thing.
I'm like, oh good. The damsel in distress is
gone now We can just move on with the adventure
And I was like, damn, she ain't dead. Yeah, but
Marianne is generally considered the best of
the Bon Girls because Willie Scott is awful.
Yeah. And Elsa is a Nazi. Yeah, Elsa is a Nazi.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, poor Andy. He doesn't get
the Bon Girls like Bon does. Is what it is. Going
back and watching movies like this like normally
Today you would have if you had this movie today
there would be like a five -minute setup at the
beginning of what to expect or How to set up
him going on the adventure? No, we start with
him on an adventure already. I love that like
a James Bond film Mm -hmm. Yep, very much. So
I think that is super super cool And, you know,
this is crazy, because I'm not a snakes, bugs,
rats, whatever person. I think I was more jump
scared of the damn dinosaurs than I was of the
snakes. Like, yeah, the snakes, whatever. Well,
I don't think the snakes were ever presented
as a jump scare in the film, though. No, they
weren't. But like, for me, like, I see a snake,
I'm walking the other way. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're
right, absolutely. They're not, but normally
there are some people like Indy where he says,
why did that have to be snakes? He didn't want
to go through this. Which we're going to get
to it because I forgot that this year is the
35th anniversary of Last Crusade. So we're doing
it, folks. We're going to do it in a couple of
weeks or a couple of months. Now, almost you
got to do. Double the dome. No, how can you how
can you skip that? We're skipping me two four
and five one and three are the only ones that
matter Well before I'm not gonna do five so oh
hell no, I'm not doing four or five either Like
I said Somebody got a million bucks. Sure. I'll
record a podcast on it better than that. Nope
I love the adventure. I love even the villains.
The villains in this were really they weren't
like super cool, but they were They were memorable.
Yeah, they were memorable and there was enough
there between Oh, what's his what's the no luck?
Yeah Yeah, there's enough there between him and
Indy where it's like, ooh damn Cuz they're rival
archaeologists really Well, it's the old flip
side of the, you know, we're not so different,
you and I kind of shit. Yeah. And he even says
that in the movie. Yes, he does. I can't remember
the exact line, but yeah. Yeah, no, it's fine.
But yeah, no, I thoroughly enjoyed this. It was
an adventure to be had. And I was surprised to
see him go like, I know Indiana Jones can always
be on adventures. He's got to have some sort
of quote unquote, homeland. I was actually surprised
to see him go back and, and, and, and be the
professor and everything else. He doesn't actually,
you don't see him teach in last crusade, but
he does go back to Bernard college. Right. Yeah.
Um, but I wasn't sure. Cause again, I had never
seen this. I wasn't sure if he was going to be
doing that in this. And he does. And I, I, again,
I think that's the, again, For one character
for indiana jones, he has the adventurer side
and then he has the professor side the archaeologist
where he just wants to teach people You know
about all the stuff and I really enjoyed those
scenes. I don't think there's a scene in here
that I didn't enjoy I mean, you know i'm not
gonna Sometimes I would take a half point off
if there were if there was a giant I know they
weren't cobras. There were some other kind of
snake in this but if there was a giant in the
pit Yeah Those are cobras Well, they weren't
all cobras. Yeah. Yeah, they weren't all cobras,
but Salah said something about asks yeah, that's
yeah, that's yeah But if there was a like there
when I say giant Cobra I mean like giant in your
face like takes up my whole 32 inch monitor screen
as I'm watching this on Disney Plus Did they
clean it up for Disney Plus because famously
Indy Falls? and that's flat on his face and the
Cobra rises up in front of him. Yep. And famously,
you can see the reflection of the Cobra on the
glass that divides them. Oh, I did not notice
that. They might have cleaned that up. But yeah,
famously, you can kind of see the reflection.
Hmm. Hmm. I did not notice that. I love the flying
wing scene. I thought that was really cool. Yes.
Well, that that's what I was like, like so Into
watching the dominoes be set up because it is
it's like, you know Your first little chocks
get pulled out from one of the wheels and then
the propeller gets turned on and then the other
guys show up and then you know It's it's bit
by bit and then this thing the the fuel cap gets
busted. So it's spilling It's just like piece
by piece and you're waiting for it all to start
come together and pay off. Yeah Yeah, I absolutely
love that and what I love about that scene is
is that it It doesn't remind me of every other
scene like it, but I had visions of other movies
and other scenes that that had had happened in
before. So I love that. Oh, you know what it
reminds me of? Perfect. We already mentioned
it. James Bond in Tomorrow Never Dies. No, isn't
Tomorrow Never Dies or Goldeneye? Which one is
it in? When he's I think it's yeah, yeah, he's
trying to escape. Yeah, it's in tomorrow. It's
the beginning tomorrow dies where he takes and
fires and everybody and everything else yeah,
absolutely absolutely love that scene and I Love
how they go from the small guy to the big guy
fighting him. Yes, the the mechanic that is Came
after he's the stunt coordinate coordinator or
not. Um, I Know no, I think I don't think he
is because I think that's the guy who plays a
full goal in um last crusade But yeah, and the
payoff of that is just is is Famous is great.
Where he's just lying on the ground and the propellers
coming closer and closer. Yeah. So Frank Marshall
appears as the flying wing pilot. Pat Roach and
Vic Tablian each portray two characters in the
film. Roach appears as the Nazi who brawls with
Jones by the flying wing and one of Toad's Nepalese
Sherpas. So Pat Roach. Oh yeah. Shoot them both.
Rest in peace, Pat. He died in 2004. This movie
is 40 years old. I know. I'm surprised Lucas
is still around, actually. Uh, but uh, but yeah,
no, well, you know, he just he's got four billion
dollars He just buys a new body every couple
of years, you know Just transfer his brain into
a new body, you know those kimonians. They're
pretty good cloners. Uh -huh Yeah, if only I
could get a new brain for my current body that
that would be nice Like a new body for my current
brain. That'd be nice. That's what i'm saying
You're doing the opposite. I'm like I just dump
this heap of garbage and get me something that
doesn't break down in five minutes Yep, yep,
yep. How dare you? How dare you give me consequences
for my poor lifestyle choices, stupid daddy.
Oh boy. So what else do we want to... What would
you like to say about the film? I mean, it's
kind of grunt... I think it's a great film. I
think it's a classic. I think it's an interesting...
To see how hard it goes because famously Spielberg
is the reason we got the pg -13 rating And it's
interesting to me what kids in the 80s watch
versus what kids today watch, you know Like everything
is very sanitized these days where um, you know
famously in the the plinket review of uh crystal
skull He compares the indiana jones movies and
their quality based on how many people indiana
jones directly murders You know, and it's like
those fights are brutal. You feel every punch.
Um, the rather God is not a thing to play around
with. Um, but I think that it added, it added
grit to it. Like I think it's one of the reasons
that I liked that film better than like, particularly
like the, the Lucy goosey CGI stuff that we have
now, you really felt the grit. There's a back
in the day on PBS during sweeps or not sweeps,
whatever it was called, uh, when they flood drive.
They had a making of Raiders of the Lost Ark
that they would always show. And if you pledged
like $3 million, they would give you a copy,
I guess. But they talked about how he did the
thing where he crawled under the truck, and how
they did it. There was actually a trench there,
and it was based on an old stunt from a Western.
I think maybe even Stagecoach, where the guy
climbed under Stagecoach and came up the back.
There's just like a... You know, I love those
Lucasfilm Luke Lucasfilm punches where the guy
in the the FX studios are punching a slab of
beef and You know, it's just that like heft of
boom. And of course, you know, I guess we are
obligated to talk about the famous Team the Cairo
Swordsman Yes, where everybody everybody was
sick as a dog. John Rice Davies was just on a
Michael Rosenbaum's podcast. Mm -hmm, and he
was talking about this like everybody was sick
like like people like people almost came close
to dying that sick and you know in the script
there was this huge whip versus sword fight and
Ford just said to Spielberg kind of shoot the
son of a bitch and they did it and it was you
know it's a highlight of the film yeah because
you're not expecting him to shoot him no and
you're expecting ironically the irony is there
is a payoff to that in temple of doom which i
will spoil for you because you're not going to
watch it is towards the end when they get to
the bridge, two thuggy guys come up when they
got their swords. I think they play similar music.
They're spinning the swords around. And then
he just gives them this look and he reaches down
to his holster and it's empty. So he has to use
the whip. So he has. Well, I don't think he's.
Yeah, I think he's got the whip. Been a while
since I've seen Temple of Doom. But yeah, he's
got to actually fight them this time. Yeah. But
yeah, man, just. I would definitely watch this
again if I had a real hankering for an adventure
film, because this was one hell of... As someone
who had never seen it before, is this being my
first time and not knowing other than all the
tropes and all the whatevers about it? This was
really fun. I try to only recommend the really
good stuff. Right. You know like I at the time
I love I had the giant -sized Marvel comic book.
I've got the novelization One thing we haven't
mentioned is the soundtrack No, we have another
epic John Williams soundtrack. Yes, it is and
all the all the actual Indiana Jones movies the
real ones Fantastic soundtracks Yeah, they do.
Yeah the music and again, it's John Williams,
you know, I mean, yeah It's yeah, exactly. Okay,
I Don't want to be that guy, but like I don't
think that his later Star Wars soundtracks are
as good I think there's good scenes in them when
you say later you mean Yeah, absolutely. Yeah,
and again, we will get to that down the line
I will get to that like like this is John Williams
in his prime. Yeah Like he was hitting on all
cylinders and everything was just like I mean
the Raiders theme is iconic Mm -hmm temple of
doom has some great pieces. It's got like the
temple of doom theme is amazing But actually
the the love theme even though Willie's awful
is really good Last crusade has some really good
stuff. It's got that kind of a It's got a combination
of like a Western kind of thing and also like
the the the Christian I Don't like the a night
crusade. It's got like the crusade the medieval
kind of crusade music. Yeah Yeah, absolutely
Let's see here So getting into our kind of before
we take a quick break and go to the next film
Did the film keep your interest throughout for
me it did I didn't even have to take a bathroom
break for this thing Because it went like that
for like literally I'm sitting and I'm like I
put my phone I put my phone on do not disturb.
I put my phone down. It was away I'm sitting
here watching this taking notes And I felt like
that boulder was going through this whole film
without destroying anything as I watched it.
Because dang, yeah, very much was all in on this
one. You know, again, to once again bring up
Temple of Doom, it's funny because there is a
scene in Temple of Doom that I never saw until
it came out on video, because it was always the
moment that I went to go pee. That taught me
to like pace myself with like drinking soda Because
I have you get to the you get to the and it's
the scene where William and in India you're flirting
and it's like eh, I Mean it was 84 hours 13.
I was like, yeah So I'd always I would always
go to pee and I never saw it until it was on
home video And again, that's why I pace myself
when I drink my soda. So I don't have to go pee
five times during a movie Yeah, I mean the movies
always tell me like I said Even when I'd seen
it a million times I saw new things like I saw
I the the the paying attention to directing to
the Putting it together was a you know, it's
it's always held my interest. It's it's I've
always enjoyed it. I you know, I like it. It's
good moving. It's fun My only my only thing is
I hate that hipsters have ruined the fedora for
us I love the hat Yeah, I love the whole I actually
have an article from an old Starlog, which I've
got somewhere, clipped in a folder somewhere,
which is how you can put together that outfit,
like all the actual, what kind of hat that was,
what kind of jacket that was. It was a, his satchel
was a Belgian military bag from World War I or
something, which in Young Union Jones Chronicles,
he's actually involved in World War I, I think
from Belgium. You know, what kind of boots, but
like all the different pieces. So you could put
together, if you wanted to put together an authentic,
authentic, authentic, not just, you know, with
Lucasfilm label in it, Indiana Jones costume,
like what the pieces were. Yep. And of course
I have the, I have the poster which is signed
by the cast. Awesome, very cool. Very cool, very
cool. So, let's see here. No, I'm not itching
to watch the next film. I'm itching to watch
the better film, which is the third one. So there's
that. I would definitely recommend this to people
if they want a good adventure. I bullied you
into watching this. Yes, yes, yes, you did. That's
fine. That's why we're here. I just like threatened
someone to watch it. Uh -huh. Although now I
have to call you a semi -cultured swine. There
you go. Well, you know, you gotta always keep
up on those semi -colons, everybody. What's the
other thing here? Recommend yes. Zero to five
with half points. Yeah, watching this this morning
before we recorded, because I have to watch things
right before I do a podcast, folks, or else I'll
forget. Have no complaints over anything even
You know the minorest thing which I didn't even
really notice that well, you know, whatever it's
gonna be a five out of five for me I mean, it's
literally these these Titans of You know the
80s All the high other powers all coming together
Spielberg Lucas Harrison Ford John Williams.
It's five out of five Absolutely, absolutely
and of course you we didn't mention again. It's
very common trivia. I don't know if you know
what that's very common trivia that Tom Selleck
was going to be in Anna Jones But he could not
get out of his contract for Magnum PI. Oh So
it was a bond kind of it was it was a Pierce
Brosnan kind of Remington Steel kind of thing.
Okay Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's probably been a very
different movie Yeah, it would have been a very
different movie. It's probably good that Tom
Selleck never got to play Indiana Jones. Well,
yeah, yeah, obviously. I mean, in hindsight,
clearly. If he had gotten to it, we would have
been like, well, if Han Solo had played Indiana
Jones, that's kind of weird because Han's kind
of a scumbag and Indy's kind of an intellectual
guy. Yeah, obviously, it was the right choice
in hindsight. Yep. And Selleck did eventually
do... Oh, I don't remember the name of the movie,
but he did a very thinly veiled Indiana Jones
type ripoff. He was a pilot or something. Oh,
I think I know what you're talking about, but
we will figure that out later. All right, folks,
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and some of the stuff. And you'll probably hear
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family on a yacht cruise stumbled upon Site B.
Now it's only a matter of time before this lost
world is found and pillaged. Hopefully you've
kept this island quarantined and contained but
I'm in shock about all this. Oh, that's how all
this starts. But then later there's running and
then screaming. What the hell was that? Go as
fast as you can. I need you to send rescue immediately.
Taking dinosaurs off this island is the worst
idea in the history of bad ideas. Let's get this
movable beast on the way. Don't move! What is
it? Mommy's very angry. We are back here in episode
84 of Studio 2009, and it's time for The Lost
World Jurassic Park, the only sequel that matters,
or maybe not, I don't know. What do you think,
Dave? There are a lot of people who really...
I'm gonna expose behind the curtains a little
bit here. We're recording this, so I'm a little
less on the ball about this than I was at the
time. I feel like this one was not really as
embraced as the original film. It's not an aliens
kind of thing. There are some people that Jurassic
Park is just like Jurassic Park and then walk
away and leave it alone. I like this one because
there's a lot more kind of action adventure stuff
and more people get murdered by dinosaurs. Which
always for me that's kind of the point of seeing
the movie is right. I like dinosaurs and I like
watching them murder people So but yeah, I I
think I don't think anyone has really particularly
I don't think any of the sequels are particularly
beloved Okay, you know the third one doesn't
have Ian Well, no, well doesn't have Ian, but
it also doesn't have Spielberg and it doesn't
have I don't think it has John Williams as the
music I mean they use Williams music, but it's
Spielberg John Williams kind of you know, one
one of the things we talked about last time and
we'll probably hit again is that the soundtrack
is fantastic Yeah, the the commenter who kind
of inspired this episode he kind of rated it
above the original Jurassic Park soundtrack and
I I disagree on some some level but I feel that
it is Like really good on its own it like equal
to other they're different soundtracks. They're
different movies It is a alien aliens kind of
thing or like this one is more nastier, grittier.
Spielberg was working with a new cinematographer
at this point, I think he's been with him for
like the rest of his career, Janis Kuzminski.
Right. We started working with on Schindler's
List and you can just, it's darker. Yeah. And
again, I like that. So I love this film. I think
there are flaws. We always go back to the gymnastics
scene, which is really stupid even though it's
set up right still incredibly stupid Just because
you set up something properly doesn't mean it's
not stupid when you pay it off and that's pretty
stupid, but just I It's grittier. It's nastier.
I I I enjoy it a lot When I said as one of the
things is like this came out the same same year
as speed 2 Remember it came up before speed 2
And I remember there's the scene where the venture,
the boat, slams into the dock in San Diego, very
dramatically. And I remember writing to a friend
of mine after I saw it, man, Speed 2 is doomed.
They got all the boat action out of the way early
this year. Ever I mean this is not the speed
speed to podcast, but I don't ever remember like
I think I've seen the trailers to that thing
but I've never Know there's not enough money
on this planet for me to watch speed to again
for a podcast I didn't even watch it when it
first came out like cuz it was they didn't have
Keanu. Yeah like Yeah, that's yeah, that's really
actually I like this one too. I found this Obviously
you have to watch the original and the original
is what the original is and I appreciate that
but I like What is happening to these characters
after what it already happened to them kind of
I love sequels You give me a good sequel you
give me a good story you continue or you hint
at what happened before if I haven't said because
look I was Yeah, 87. I was seven years old when
Beverly Hills Cop 2 came out. I saw Beverly Hills
Cop 2 in 1990 when I was 10. I didn't see the
first movie until the third one came out in theaters
in 94 when I was 14. So I'm all about sometimes
going out of order as much as I like things in
order. And this movie... I like a lot better
than Jurassic Park, and I'm sorry if anyone is
screaming at the top of their lungs listening
to me say that, but I enjoyed this more. I'm
not screaming. I kind of disagree, but on the
other hand, I love the movie Aliens. I respect
the original Alien, but I like the sequel more,
I think because Jurassic Park and Lost World
are different movies, different kinds of movies.
When you said you love sequels, I like sequels
that are not the... Most sequels are the first
film done over again. And those I don't like.
I like sequels that do take the story and expand
on it, or do something else with it. Take the
premise and go somewhere else. Like Die Hard
in the Airport, Die Hard blah blah blah. That's
kinda eh. But I do like it when you evolve the
characters and put them in a new situation or
add something new. And I think this is... This
is different enough, particularly in tone. Like
I said, this is a nastier, meaner movie. Jurassic
Park was all about the wonder and the magic.
And yeah, it was scary. It was literally a theme
park ride. Story -wise, there's not much to it.
It's like, go to set piece, go to set piece,
go to set piece. Where Lost World is like a horror
movie. You're in this terrible environment. terrible
things are trying to kill you. There is a little
bit of the magic and wonder with the Stegosaurs.
But I mean, even that comes after the little
girl got attacked by the Compies. Yeah. So it's
it's it's got more fangs to it. Yeah, I was I
went into this thinking it was a full on horror
movie because of that very first scene when the
little girl walks away from the parents and she
goes up to the thing. Yeah. And I'm like, okay,
maybe it's not gonna eat her. Maybe it's not
gonna chase her. Maybe it's not gonna slice her
in half or whatever. And I'm like, whoops, shouldn't
assume that. Because those things, you... Well,
she survived. She did. Is the other name Peter
Strohmeyer? Is he in this? I might be getting
him wrong. No, no. You know what I'm talking
about. No, he is, yeah. There's a guy who does
get murdered by the Compies. Yeah, the second
in command of the NGen group under the control
of... Yeah. Dieter Stark. Yes, Peter Stormare.
Dieter Stark is the character's name, yeah, but...
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Peter Stormare. Good ol' Ivan.
Love that guy. American components, Russian components,
all made in Taiwan! Okay. It's from Armageddon.
It's the one thing I know him from the most.
It's the one line I accept stuck in my head.
But no, I enjoyed the plot. I liked all of the
characters, at least the good characters. Really,
because I think one of the best characters is
Pete Pusslewaite. I can't remember the name.
Roland Trembeau. Yeah. The hunt leader, the guy
whose whole thing is I want to kill Tyrannosaurus
Rex to feel alive. Yeah, and he's gay but but
even though he's on the bad guy's side, you know,
like he doesn't you know What when he helps rescue
them when they're when they're hanging off the
cliff? Yeah, you know, he doesn't like tie them
up or murder them or you know, right? There's
hostility and antagonism, but he's not like a
bad guy bad guy. He's on there He's on the side.
That's clearly, you know, this is something we
brought up the other time too Is that the real
villain in the film is Vince Vaughn? He's the
guy that gets everybody killed get some stranded
there He's on the technically the good guy side,
but he's like this murky eco terrorist with no
real They didn't really flash out his backstory.
They don't know do much with them. It wasn't
enough time Yeah, I know they get a lot in that
this one. Yeah. Yeah, I mean Technically Ludlow
is the main villain. Oh, yeah, well technically
and I mean his thing is just basically like,
you know, and it's funny because Like they make
this big deal. Oh, he's gonna bring dinosaurs
to the mainland He's gonna like it's so evil
and he's gonna destroy the world and then like
the last one the last movie Dominion it's like
well, we're just gonna live in peace with our
dinosaur Neighbors now and be friends and it'll
all be okay Like it's funny how like three or
four these movies made such a huge deal about
we can't bring these things in the mainland it'll
destroy everything and then Dominion's just like
We're just all gonna be friends now and the shot
of the Moses or swimming by a bunch of whales
and not murdering them. It's like, okay Yeah
Absolutely Yeah, I like I said, I thoroughly
enjoyed this I it kept my attention throughout
I think I like it. I mean, I like the job. I
like the stuff that On the island with the dinosaurs,
but I think when the t -rex starts rampaging
through san francisco, that's what I like San
diego, yeah. Yeah, I got it whales vagina san
diego. Yes, i'm diago Yes Uh, yeah, which would
spill like stillberg, uh Part of the reason the
movie is so crammed is he crammed that in there
on purpose? Because he kind of knew he wasn't
going to do a third one or didn't want to do
a third one, but he really wanted to do Dinos
Godzilla dinosaurs rampaging on the mainland
bit so that kind of got crammed in there at the
end You know Which of course features the now
somewhat problematic bit of a couple of Japanese
tourists Who see see that and they say in Japanese
and I thought we left Japan to get away from
this There's a yeah, the line is something like
that. Yeah And then the screenwriter, David Kep,
who's now working on the next one again, he's
the guy who's running into the video store and
gets caught. Oh, yeah, that's right. He's got
a career. I mean, this David Kep. If he's writing
crap for Spielberg, I would assume so. Yeah,
let's see here. Toy Soldiers from 91. Jurassic
Park. Carlito's Way, The Paper, The Shadow, The
First Mission Impossible. The Shadow is in, like,
I haven't seen it in a long time. So I want to
couch that. But I remember loving that movie
when I saw it. It was so ridiculous. So much
fun. I always get that. And I know I shouldn't
get these too confused. I always get that and
the, oh, what's it called? Phantom? Yes, thank
you. The Phantom. Every time I try to watch that,
I get interrupted, so I've never been able to
watch the Phantom the whole way through. Yeah,
continuing down. Snake Eyes, Stir of Echoes,
Panic Room, Spider -Man. Wait, Snake Eyes is
in the G .I. Joe Snake Eyes? No, no, no. 1998,
Nicholas Cage Snake Eyes. OK. Because I was going
to say, oh my God, that guy's garbage. No, no,
no. You wrote that nonsense. No, no, no. Well,
what nonsense he did right was Kingdom of the
Crystal Skull Look We didn't know how good we
had it back then uh -huh It was one of those
like the people who came out that theater going
it could be worse were proven right many years
later Yeah in 2023 with the dialect destiny.
Yeah last year Premium rush. Yeah, I mean he's
got a lot of great Credits as a writer. He's
done a lot of cool stuff He's one of those names
that every time I like I know that I know what
that guy's done. Very cool What else about the
plot or the film in general I Mean, I think it
has it has several good action sequences, but
I mean it has a particularly Personally, I there's
a fantastic knife. One of my favorite action
sequences is the the one with a trailer and the
t -rexes It's some of the best music in the film.
The you know, the trailer gets pushed off the
cliff Yeah, and we did this lesson. I can't remember
the actor's name. I keep calling Toby Ziegler
He plays Eddie Carr in the film. Oh, that would
be Eddie Eddie. Anywhere are you? I always know
him from from from the West Wing is Toby Ziegler
Richard Schiff's Richard Schiff and he's trying
to save them and there's this fantastic shot
of the Two T -Rexes coming out of the ring. Yes.
And you know, I remember going back to the original
Jurassic Park, I remember there's a moment when
the kids are in the kitchen and the second Raptor
comes in and my brain went, there's no way these
kids can live through this. They're gonna die.
Yeah. And then the T -Rexes come out in the second
film and I'm like, there's no way he can live.
He's gonna get murdered and he did. Yep. And
he died hard. Yeah. And the whole way through,
he never abandons his friends. Like, he goes
down trying to save his friends. And it's such
a fantastic sequence. Yeah. And yeah, absolutely.
And this cast, I mean, this cast is stacked.
Like, I think this is probably most likely the
earliest Vince Vaughn movie I've seen. I want
to double check that by looking at his filmography,
but I mean, no, technically it's not. Rudy was
the first one I had seen. But I mean about who
even knew he was in Rudy come on. Well, he's
like from the 80s, isn't it? At 93 was really
Yeah He was also in cool dry place clay pigeons
psycho. Those are all 98 films. I remember but
he was anyone with like He was a gambler like
wasn't that like his big breakthrough film Card
sharp or for the boys are at risk. No I'll look
it up. Are you okay? He's good eBay eBay. Sorry.
Yay Starsky and Hutch he's in that a movie that
we will be I don't know if you and I will be
covering it but a movie I don't think you and
I will be covering it. You don't even know what
I'm gonna say yet A movie that is celebrating
its 20th anniversary this year, Dodgeball, a
true underdog story. He was Peter LaFleur in
that. Yeah, he was. Okay, that has my favorite
line in all of movie history. Okay, well. Can
you guess? No, just tell me. If you can dodge
a wrench, you can dodge a ball. And if you can
dodge a guy. Every time I throw something at
somebody, I go, if you can dodge this, you can
dodge a ball. Yep. Absolutely. He was in one
of the worst Christmas movies for Christmases
in 2008. The Internship, Anchorman 1 and 2. What
else? I swear there was something else that I
knew him from besides Dodgeball. Was it? No,
I don't think. Oh, right. He plays Eddie in Mr.
and Mrs. Smith. Duh. Brangelina film the spies
and all that. Yeah. Yeah. I Remember her outfit
from the trailer. Yeah Everybody remembers her
outfit from the trailer IMDB is just like that's
why I do not play with me. I do not trust IMDB
I only trust Wikipedia and I barely trust them
But yeah, no I so when I watch and I think I
said this back in episode 68 when we did Jurassic
Park When I watched that, I had to get up, pause,
do other things a few times. This movie, I was
glued. I did not move the entire time. I had
all the snacks around me and everything else
and whatever. And yeah, Lost World absolutely
dug it. Well, I mean, I obviously am glad because
I kind of pushed for this. Well, more I pushed
for the original Jurassic Park. Yeah. Because
I really Like like I've said, I feel like I love
this movie, but I also understand that it's it's
it's definitely flawed So like I wouldn't really
like super hard push anyone to like watch it
if they didn't want to right And I mean we could
be I think we were here I think we were here
all day talking about Jeff Goldblum's roles in
the Jurassic Park episode But so I won't go into
all of that again. Well don't you like it is
interesting. He seems And maybe maybe it's logical
because like he's been through an experience,
but he does seem like a different character Yeah,
like he's the he's the heroic guy in this one
as opposed to swingers was the movie I was thinking
about. Oh swingers. Okay but like he's less of
the Comedy antagonist. Yeah, you know, he's listen
and it's also less of like, you know, like he
was this cocky I mean mean Hammond has a line
you brought a rock star Like there's there's
none of that in his performance this time No.
He's almost a completely different character.
Which I like. I liked his performance in the
first movie, but because we all know the memes
and everything else that came out of that and
all that, but I like where they took his character
in this movie. You know, like we don't have Sam
Neill and what's her name? Laura Dorn. Yeah,
we don't have them here. He is the star. as the
star of this film and whatever happened to their
characters whatever she got married and he became
kind of a joke I mean they're in the third film
like it explains okay but first of all is BS
because she married some other guy okay he's
connected to the government which becomes critical
at the end of the film but he's kind of going
around giving what there's there's a scene in
third film at the very beginning where he's giving
a lecture And he's like, any questions? And people
raise their hand. He's like, no, keeping in mind,
I've said repeatedly that I was not involved
in the incident in San Diego. Everybody lowers
their hands. Yeah. I love Goldblum in the role.
I think it's awesome. And again, this film, man,
just so good. Really enjoyed it I would have
to think that like I know we mentioned I mentioned
it and it is interesting to meet one. Okay, there's
a kind of I kind of always have a Mandela effect
with this movie because there's a cutscene That
I've seen so many times on YouTube that in my
brain. It's in the movie You know what I mean,
and it's not yeah, and it's not because it's
a cutscene right also its character and it's
similar to the Nedry scene in the first film
where he's hanging out at some open -air restaurant.
It's when Ajay, his buddy, recruits him for the
mission. He's reluctant to do it. He doesn't
want to do it. There's this whole thing where
at this other table, there's these crude jerks
and they're harassing the waitress. He gets up
and decks the guy and flattens him, which establishes
that he's a tough guy, but he's also got this
creative honor. which like You know, it's weird
because I always bring that into the movie, which
isn't really fair because it's not in the movie
But you know, yeah, so I go into this predisposed
to liking him and he's also got my one of my
favorite lines from the movie where like they're
they're trying to like the Initial rodeo the
initial roundup. He's trying to identify what
dinosaurs to catch He's like the pecky the the
parrot the person like the one with the pompadour
Elvis Yeah Yeah, that's awesome Is so awesome
I So Normal questions here. Are we itching to
watch the next film now? I'm good Honestly I'm
okay. Yeah, if you're like the third one's okay
I think well, I think it suffers from the fact
that the first one's a classic. Yeah, I like
the second one the third one Doesn't really have
a lot to it story -wise Also, I always have a
problem and I've actually been I've had pushback
on this from from someone is that they cast Michael
Jeter as a hard -ass mercenary Now if you don't
know Michael Jeter is he was on a show called
evening shade He played the assistant football
coach to Burt Reynolds and the joke was he's
very thin and nerdy. He was mr. Noodle on Sesame
Street Oh, okay, and he is not like and apparently
he was at the time they made the movie He was
very sick from from cancer and died Yeah, but
just like even if he had been in like the the
peak of health You would not have looked at this
guy and gone. This is the Vin Diesel role. This
is the Jason Stratham role This is not this is
not the Michael Jeter role. Um That is really
hard in the film too, um, but I know him mr.
Noodle No You know a lady from drop zone that
the little whiny guy in drop zone. I remember
him now Can you picture him leading a band of
hard -ass mercenaries? I don't know I'm not at
all Exactly not at all. I pointed this out as
a flaw in the film and someone said no, that's
what makes it great. I'm like, okay I get you
buddy What you're coming from but this is someone
who's watching it for camp versus someone who's
watching it for Legitimate it whatever the gym.
It's not the right word. But like that I want
it. I want it straight not camp Yeah, although
camp is best played straight. But anyway, the
third film is okay I'm I'm actually mildly curious
to revisit it. Um, just because I haven't seen
it in a while, but there's not Like I said, I
mean they do establish what happened to Alan
they established what happened to Ellie which
they fix in Dominion She's divorced her husband
and her kids have grown up. So now she's available
Right. Oh my god. Okay. You know, 30 years later
and Alan basically follows her around like a
puppy dog. It's a minion, it's not a good film.
Isn't there like a fourth or sixth or seventh
one coming or something? I just said David Kep
is writing the next one. Yeah, he's writing the
next one. Supposedly Scar Joe is in it. Interesting.
Nobody knows if it's a continuation of the story,
which seems stupid. or like a reboot. I know
they're doing a second series for Camp Cretaceous,
which the plot is, I don't know, it's weird.
They're off the island, but there's a conspiracy
to kill all the kids. Oh my god. And dinosaurs.
They're using dinosaurs to kill them, I don't
know. It's just like, I don't understand why.
Camp Cretaceous is a neat idea. I like the first
couple seasons, but it got, I don't know. I don't
know. And that's that's absolutely crazy My thing
is and I think I said this on the dressing perk
episode My dream project like when I when it
first came out like maybe for years afterwards
My dream project was like almost like a love
boat or fantasy island kite type TV show that
took place in Jurassic Park the park worked and
it's like it was like, you know people would
come to dressing park and they see the dinosaurs
and stuff and they have their their stories play
out, but it was like Really like like the first
Jurassic world. I love like maybe the first 20
minutes of it if that much when the park is open
and Like I love watching the rides and I love
watching people see the dinosaurs and then then
they had it like Then then there's a monster
in chaos into them. Like, okay Okay, I'm not
having fun anymore. I just cuz cuz to me I would
absolutely be their opening day, you know first
helicopter in I Would do that so hard I love
I love dinosaurs. I'm fascinated. I would love
to see them in real life. This is the closest
I'm ever gonna get. Yeah So Yeah, they're doing
a fourth one. I don't know I They're never gonna
let the franchise go. So no, they're probably
won't The third one will be 25 years old in 2026.
Are you willing to wait two years? Well, I mean,
I had seen I had seen lost world on my own before
we even write it because it was just like I I
think I can't remember if I if I'd been to Orlando
at that point or if I You know cuz I was going
last year Yeah, but or whether I it was because
because there's a there's a video game that I
really enjoyed playing surprise surprise called
Jurassic World evolution where you build your
own parks. Nice. So yeah, I was in the mood for
it. And like I said, the music is fantastic.
I listen to the music just anyway. But yeah,
if we're both still alive in two years. Let's
hope. Between the outside world and, well, my
body's falling apart. Yeah. Between everything,
if you're still up for it in two years, yeah,
we'll take a look at it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
But yeah, looking at that, oof, that third movie,
yikes. It's not yikes, it's just, it's uninspired.
And I feel bad, because Joe Johnston directed
it, and I like him, and he did the first Captain
America movie, which I loved. And he's a big
special effects guy. Yep, and in most movies
that that that raised me It's just uninspired
It's you know, there's there's stuff that's not
more stupid than stuff that's stupid in Lost
World right, but because there's not like Because
Spielberg's not directing it you you you can't
gloss over it as easily, you know It's like a
boat flies the boat goes through a thing of a
bank of fog when it comes back out the other
side The pilots gone something to kill them and
there's like a really Got him. I mean like it's
just There's there's you know, I mean it's famous
for the spinosaur which apparently is The spinosaur
is a very complicated dinosaur. Yeah, that's
a complicated history. I guess I'll say of that
for two years from now But like nobody seems
to be able to agree on what this damn thing was
And in the in the movie they treat it like a
large terrestrial like a rival to the t -rex
Right, which apparently is not what it was like
like that's pretty obvious because it's it's
it's it's mouth is shaped wrong. It's mouth is
shaped like a crocodile's crocodile. So probably
a fish. But they treat it like a bigger because
it's bigger than a T -Rex. The whole thing is
the Spinosaur is bigger than a T -Rex. Right.
And I was that's one thing I learned last year.
OK, well, we're probably not going to do Jurassic
World 3. I'm going to geek on the Spinosaur for
a minute. Like one thing I learned last year
was famously the Spinosaurus, the skeleton, or
Spinosaurus aegyptus was found by a German paleontologist
in Africa and he was German and this was before
World War Two and the only known skeleton was
in a German museum in Dresden. For those of you
who are not history buff, things do not go well
for Dresden. No! And I had always thought that
it was lost forever and nobody really knew. And
it turns out, I guess they have one in Japan
now. They have a skeleton in Japan. Because I
went to the field museum last year and they have
a, most of the skeletons you see in museums aren't,
particularly since the latter half of the 20th
century, aren't the actual fossils. I think maybe
like in some really old ones in Pennsylvania
and maybe New York, those might be the actual
fossils, but the fossils are too precious, too
rare, too delicate. to be put on display, so
they're casts. So the Field Museum has a cast
of a Spinosaur Skeleton. I was like, where the
hell did they get that from? How did this come?
What is this wizardry? Since when do people know
what these things look like? Apparently they
found another one somewhere in Africa. They got
him in Japan. But again, like it is technically
a larger animal than the Tyrannosaur, but most
people think it's not like another Tyrannosaur
like, you know, bipedal carnivore hunter. It's
probably semi -aquatic because its mouth is just
shaped all wrong. Yeah. And let's face it, most
regular people always thought of the Tyrannosaurus
Rex as the big bad. Yes, and that's, I mean,
again, that's one of the things that makes that
movie controversial, is the T -Rex and the Spinosaur
fight. And the Spinosaur wins. Kills the T -Rex.
So, yeah, that pissed off a lot of fanboys. Yeah,
I don't know about that now. Yikes. Well, the
animal, let me put it this way, the animal in
the movie can take a T -Rex. Well, yes. But that's
not, but what I'm saying is that's not a real
Spinosaur. Yeah, absolutely. All right, zero
to five. What are we rating Lost World? Oh, God,
I don't know what I rated the original Dresser
Park. I will give this a four. I again, I love
it. Yeah, but I also appreciate it has flaws.
I'm right there with you and. just so I do it
all the time. 4 .0 for the GCR Universal Rating
System, really good. The overall quality is very
high and surely to be positive experience. For
all those that partake, the issues that are there
are impossible to just ignore that part, but
ignore, but not predominant enough to have a
large impact on your experience. Returning to
it in the future may allow you to forgive certain
problems that may lead to discovery of new ones.
Yeah, I remember you you the last time we did
this again Spoiler we did this before the last
time you you did ask me Are you ever gonna revisit
this and I explained that I had I had in fact
before we even went down this road Just recently
revisited it Mm -hmm. Yep. Yep. All right folks.
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of my head. Let's see here. This is episode 84.
Oh, next. We've got episode 85. We're going back
to 12 months of Star Wars. We're doing Mandalorian,
season one. Ooh, I mean, I was going to ask.
I wanted a little heads up on that because there's,
what, 10 episodes? Yeah, well, we could have
plenty of time. There's no worries about the
schedule. Don't worry about scheduling, but that's
what's coming up next. After that, episode 86,
if I can wrangle the time, Steve and Kevin, Steve
co -created the GeekCast Radio Network with me
and his brother Kevin. They're going to join
me for Gamer Origins. 30 questions all about
playing video games. And then after that, it's
pretty much... All us, from episode 87 to 90.
Oh, I'm so sorry. Stop it. Not to you. I apologize
to the audience. I'm so, so sorry. Stop it. Mando,
season two. Boba fuck. Last Crusade, fifth anniversary.
12 months of Star Wars Mando, season three. And
then Steve and I are going to do the Deadpool
double feature before we end up seeing Deadpool
and Wolverine. Did you get your tickets? Nope.
I'm waiting for digital. I do not leave the house
if I don't have to. And I'll be, I promise I
will spoil everything. It's okay. I will send
you personal messages on Facebook saying, Oh
my God. I'll probably forget by the time we get
there. And then after that, at some point this
year, we will start the sequel trilogy. Ow, my
neck. I'm grumbling, but at least he spared me
Obi -Wan. Well... The cruel boss man spared me
Obi -Wan. Like you've always... And Acolyte takes
place a hundred years before Phantom Menace,
so we'd have to go back. We can't do that, so
we don't have to watch that either. Acolyte's
just a movie, right? It's not a series. Acolyte's
a TV series. Hate a I hate myself because of
the premise to me the premise sounds kind of
interesting But I don't think they'd execute
it very well Which is sad, but like it's like
there's there's twins and they the Jedi Find
one of them I guess and like train her to be
a Jedi and the other one becomes a Sith And starts
killing people and like there's there's there's
the mix -up right? It's like oh, no our friend
who I've trained her whole life has turned on
us and so I actually think that's kind of not
a terrible premise yeah I'm sorry but but I know
it's gonna be handled so but the trailer looks
so bad I don't know yeah it's fine it's fine
like like I'm not gonna push you because then
you're gonna make us record it no no no I might
give it I might act like I I've been I've been
in this funk because this was like the first
live -action Star Wars thing ever mm -hmm that
I was like I'm not gonna watch that and that's
that's That's big. We've hit yeah, I was sick
when Star Wars came out like this My whole life
kind of revolved and for good or bad. Yeah, it's
it's revolved around this franchise And and this
was like the big breaking point. I'm like, you
know In the right hands I can see this being
kind of a compelling story, but it's being made
by Disney So I don't know. Yeah. And this TV
series, the stars in this, at least according
to Wikipedia, I only know Carrie Anne Moss. Yeah,
don't get attached to her. Like she is the first
Jedi to die. Everyone's calling it. She's I mean,
we don't know for a fact. Yeah. But it's like
there's one clip of her in the trailer and then
everyone talks about Jedi's being murdered. It's
pretty clear. She's the first one to go like
it's it's she's a oh god. I'm so old I can't
remember what's her name from from psycho, but
she's like that. She's like the girl who gets
killed in psycho who was generally I Know I know
there was an onion tied in my belt like like
but it was a famous thing in psycho as they cast
this famous actress Who gets killed right at
the very beginning of the movie? And that's Carrie
Ann Moss in this I know, it's like, they're evil,
like they're doing tentacles in our heads, man.
Well, it's one of those things where, so I'm
on the Wikipedia page for the Acolyte and I'm
looking at the cast and this is the reason why.
Outside of Carrie Anne Moss, to me personally,
Amanda Steinberg, Lee Jung -jae, manage a keynote,
I know none of these actors and actresses. Whereas,
If this was the 80s, I would know Eddie Murphy.
I would know Harrison Ford. I understand. Welcome
to being old, Spunky. Yeah, I know. Speaking
of which, it was Janet Lee. Janet Lee, okay.
Psycho. Psycho. I'm hoping that Carrie -Anne
Moss' character is not the first to die because
basically the role was inspired by Trinity from
The Matrix. That's kind of, I don't know, that's
kind of sad almost. Like this is the role you're
allowed to play. Well, no, okay, oh boy. We're
in a rabbit hole now, folks. I just clicked on
Carrie. It's okay, we're gonna go down this rabbit
hole. Obviously, Sean Connery plays Sean Connery
roles. Tommy Lee Jones plays Tommy Lee Jones
in every movie. And you're like, I want that
kind of game. But it's like, I don't know if
C. Carrie Anne Moss is just being Trinity. Because
she was also in... She was in the Netflix Marvel
stuff as the lawyer lady Hogarth. Yep. So starting
going from Matrix, which was... God. 99, I think.
It was right around the time. Yeah. That's how
big Star Wars is. I use it to mark time. Yep.
Absolutely. 25 years. So after The Matrix, she
was in Chocolat, which is nothing like The Matrix.
Red Planet, The Crew, Memento. and then Reloaded
in 2003, Revolutions in 2003, Suspect Zero, Disturbia,
Love Hurts, Unthinkable, Silent Hill, Revol -
She was in a Silent Hill video game movie, really?
Yeah, okay, that's what I thought, it's based
on the video game. Yeah. Past the Matrix Revolutions.
None of her movies. I've not seen any of them
that she's done That's crazy. I think when you
listed what that I've seen is the matrix. I didn't
saw the sequels. Oh really? Yeah, I don't think
I lost anything by that like no not really I
mean reloaded and revolutions are okay. The first
movie is still the best one Yeah, because the
first movie basically ends with I have all the
power and I'm gonna kick ass and it's like, okay,
if you do a sequel, you're immediately gonna
have to backtrack on that. Which they did. Big
time, from what I understand. Yeah, pretty much.
But yeah. Alrighty, anything else we want to
say? Anything you want to promote? Any anything?
No, sadly no. Our old website's going away, so
I got nothing to promote. The only thing I have
to moat is apparently an endless line of podcasts
with you, buddy. And as I said, I apologize sincerely
to our listeners. Stop. But yeah, no, if you
haven't seen Lost World and you like action adventure
movies with a dark twist, again, Aliens, I think,
is a good comparison. It's it's you know, one
of the things I made a big point about the last
time was that Spielberg with the exception of
the Indiana Jones movies Which I would argue
aren't necessarily sequels. It's a series. It's
like James Bond. It's a series It was self consciously
like James Bond. I think we mentioned this in
the actual waiters section He wanted to do it
James Bond film and and Lucas said oh, I got
a better I got a better idea Yeah, like aside
from those he's never done a sequel and Jurassic
or lost world is the only sequel Spielberg's
ever done Yeah, so it's it's for me. It's very
fascinating. Oh, it's very fascinating It's a
little like if he'd I wonder what it would have
been like if he'd done the third one because
I think I talked about this where you know, he
did Raiders and then Temple of Doom was very
dark and then Last Crusade was very light, you
know They took elements from the first film and
then they played them up And the same way Lost
World took elements, the darker elements in the
first film and played them up, what would a third
one have been like? Would it have been more fun
and more wonder? And I think that's one of the
reasons he kind of stepped out because instead
of doing more with the formula, it just became
formula. But it is interesting that Spielberg,
it's the only, in my opinion, and I'm picking
hairs or picking knits and whatever. It is the
only, it really is the only sequel that Spielberg
has ever done. Yeah. I am aware of the Indiana
Jones movies, I'm aware they exist. Those were
series. Yep. Absolutely. All right, folks, that's
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