Andor Season 1 Review

Hey, hey, hey. It's the Chaos Queen here, and

you're listening to the Geekcast Radio Network.

And joining me once again for the first of the

year, 2024, we are all new in 2024 on the Gatecast

Radio Network. It is Mr. David Draper. Hello,

sir. How are you? Yay. Yay. Today we are continuing

on with the new year. And yeah, so new year,

new 12 months of Star Wars. We will most likely

finish all of our Star Wars coverage by December

of 2024 according to the schedule that I have

planned out. OK. So yeah, full year, full 12

months of Star Wars this year, and we are heading

back into that far, far away galaxy to talk about

season one of Andor, or Star Wars Andor, however

you want to, whatever they label it as. Yeah,

I think technically it's Star Wars Andor, but

I just call it Andor. I owe you an apology, actually.

Uh -oh, I didn't do it. I messed up the entire

series. I didn't realize it until I rewatched

the first episode. Because I thought Andor was

set earlier than it is. OK. Technically, Solo

should come first. Oh. I've ruined everything.

No, you haven't. I've spoiled it. Spoiled it.

No, you haven't. No, you haven't. We can fix

it the other day. OK. Well, Andor takes place

five years before Star Wars. Right. If you remember,

in the very beginning, it says five years BBY.

Yep. That's before Battle of Yavin. That's like

their ADBC kind of marker. We'll fix it in the

editing. It's fine. It's not a problem. That's

the interesting thing about pre -recording this

stuff, because ladies and gentlemen, even though

you're listening to this in 2024, we're recording

it. The future! Do you know roughly when in January?

First week of January, right after New Year's.

Why is that? My birthday is the second week of

January. Well, happy early birthday, sir. Thank

you. You're welcome. I know the date, but, you

know, weeks can be weird. OK, the date is what?

January what? No, actually, it's the third week,

the 15th. Oh, well, there you go. Martin Luther

King Jr.'s birthday. Yeah, this will come out

January 5th, so 10 days before your 27th birthday.

Yes. Oh, yes, Andor. Oh, boy. Just the facts.

Here we go, folks. Andor is a Disney Plus Star

Wars series. It was created by Tony Gilroy, which

we will talk about him in a moment. Star Wars,

obviously, based on George Lucas starring Diego

Luna, Kyle... Spun off from Rogue One. Yes, spun

off from Rogue One. And I'm so happy. If you

go back to whenever the hell Rogue One came out,

2016, 2017, whenever it was, after it came out,

we had reviewed over on a different podcast.

We reviewed The Force Awakens. The episode title

was The Force Awakens Inside Rogue One. So we

reviewed both films in one episode of the podcast

at the time. And I did not, back then, I did

not give two craps about Rogue One until a character

I knew showed up at the end. I cared nothing

for those characters back then, had no interest

in learning anything about them. And thankfully,

all these years later now, we have this prequel

to that film with this series. And I'm really

digging the characters in this. Cool. You know,

because you kept going, oh, it's going to be

interesting. And I know that you know that I

really like this show. Yeah. So I was like, oh,

OK. Like, does he hate it? Does he think it's

garbage? Does he expect you to fight? No. Just

the cuffs? So I was like, OK. I know that a lot

of fans did not necessarily like it. The show

itself is literally a slow burn. I'll let you

get back to the facts in a minute. But the show

itself is literally a slow burn. And I think

acceptance of the show was a slow burn. It was

like. After it aired, there was a lot of buzz

about how good it was and people suddenly kind

of came back to it. Because to be fair, that

first arc does move a little slow. I'm fine with

that. But I can see where people, you know, because

Star Wars is kind of known for faster, more intense.

That's the famous George Lucas quote. And it's

not that. It is as different from Star Wars.

You can be while still being Star Wars. And we'll

get we'll get into what I mean by that in a little

bit. But like I think that's What really sells

it for me is that it's because fans, fanboys

are always wanting the same thing, but different,

you know, like the same thing, but just a little

bit different. I want it on a plane this time.

I want it on a boat this time instead of in a

building. You know, I want the same thing, but

different. And this is the same universe, but

it's a very different approach. And I really

like that. I think it worked. I completely agree.

My name is Marva Karasi Andor. I'm honoured to

stand before you. I'm honoured to be a daughter

of Theryx. And honoured to be worthy of the stone.

A stranger. Fear's if I can see you. I was six,

I think. First time I touched a funerary stone.

Heard our music. Felt our history. Holding my

sister's hand as we walked all the way from Fountain

Square. Where you stand now, I've been more times

than I can remember. I always wanted to be lifted.

I was always eager, always waiting to be inspired.

I remember every time it happened, every time

the dead lifted me with their truth. And now

I'm dead. And I yearn to lift you. Not because

I want to shine or even be remembered. It's because

I want you to go on. I want Feryx to continue.

In my waning hours, that's what comforts me most.

But I fear for you. We've been sleeping. We've

had each other and Feryx, our work, our days.

We had each other and they left us alone. We

kept the trade lanes open and they left us alone.

Right, yeah. When the strike hit. But I'm saying,

this isn't like, oh my god, are we going to get

a second season of Ahsoka? Most people probably

don't want a second season of Ahsoka. But my

point is that this is going to have a second

season at some point this year, hopefully, unless

something else happens in Hollywood. Whole thing

burns down. They still got to finish the actors

right first. Yeah. so When I watched this I was

like, okay, I'm going into this fresh. Yes I

know the name Cassian and or I don't We've talked

about this. Yeah, you and I have talked about

this and other people and I have talked about

this I don't remember ten minutes ago, let alone

back in 2015 or 2016 What the hell like so like

that's what I did with this I went in fresh with

it I looked at it as this is the beginning of

this character's arc And Rogue One is the conclusion

to his arc, as far as I know, but I... Yeah,

I mean, if you remember the ending, it's the

conclusion. Yeah, well... It's very conclusory.

Yeah. But my point is that, and as I say this

in every episode, I love beginnings and endings.

I love the middle, too. The middle is great.

But I need to know where shit started and where

it ends. Because that's the whole again you and

I have talked about this on and off air about

storytelling and blah blah blah blah blah Endings

are very important. I think endings are not appreciated

As much because because a lot of storytelling

by because it's a commercial venture, you know

like sitcoms and and TV shows aren't supposed

to have endings. They're supposed to keep going

until it gets cancelled. Comic books aren't supposed

to have endings. These stories are written to

always be kind of open -ended. And even with

movies, particularly horror movies, they cheat

at the end, right? You resolve the story and

then you put a little thing at the end so you

can have a sequel, so you can make more money,

so you can do another one. A lot of writers,

a lot of creators don't appreciate how satisfying

a good ending really is. Yep Absolutely So starring

in this lovely Series 12 episode first season

series as I mentioned Diego Luna as Cassie Nandor

you have Kyle Saller you have Adra Arjana I'm

gonna screw these names up folks the two names

that I saw this that I was like wait What are

they doing in here? Stellan scars guard and Forrest

Whitaker It's like holy crap for us. What is

Nate? Okay, so you you must have forgotten you

really did forget rogue one because he's in that

yeah. Yeah Yeah, I yeah, I completely for yeah

rogue one is is is yeah, but yeah, so he plays

Forrest plays the the live -action version of

Saw Gerrera who I just saw in Clone Wars when

I did my whole animated series rewatch of the

Star Wars cartoons So yeah, so very, very awesome.

But for me, Stellan Skarsgård, he's not just

the scientist from the Marvel movies. He was

the opposite to the late great Robin Williams

in 1998's Good Will Hunting. He was his best

friend and... Professor, you know former whatever

they were professors together in goodwill hunting.

He was person Jared Lambeau but I mean this guy

has like It credits the mile long like seven

miles long he debuted in 1972 and Most recently

for film. He's gonna be in doing part two. He's

doing okay. Very cool. Very cool And then yeah,

he's gonna be Lutheran rail in in Andor 2022

to present so main role awesome. That's so cool

I love that guy. He's so great He is my favorite

part of the series Between him and Cassian they're

him Cassian and Bix is that how it's supposed

to be pronounced is Bix Bix is the girl from

Yeah, right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah There really

wasn't a main, like, there were three major,

I mean, there were kind of four major female

characters in the show, which is fascinating

to me because there's all this political stuff

bouncing back and forth, and the show has four

strong female, at least four, I mean, there's

like five, you know, because there's Mon Mokma,

there's Bix, there's Deidre, who's the ISB officer,

and there's Vel, and then there's Vel's girlfriend

who hates stormtroopers. They're all strong,

complex, flawed, multidimensional characters.

And I don't want to step on you doing your thing,

but one of the things I kind of loved in retrospect,

like when I started thinking about the show,

is Deidre's arc, the ISB officer. Because when

you meet her, she's kind of like, I like characters

that are smart and competent, as a general rule.

And she's like, she knows what's going on. And

no one at the ISB will listen to her. And there's

the one guy that's always kind of patting her

on the head. And it's like, you know, you're

kind of like, you go girl, you, you know, you,

you, you, you show these chauvinist dips and

she kind of makes her way and she, she rides

up to the ranks and you're like, yeah. And then

all of a sudden there's that, that, that, that

record scratch noise where you're like, Oh no.

Like, because the ISB are basically the Gestapo

for the, for the, the galactic empire. And, and

you realize what it means for her to rise to

the ranks and what, what she does. in her position

in the ranks and it's horrible. And you're like,

oh, I've been rooting for her. Yeah. Oh, no.

I knew as soon as I saw her, I'm like, she's

the she's the she's the evil villainous. Yeah.

Well, yeah, but I just I like that whole sense

of her being frustrated. Right. No, absolutely.

Just like I was rooting for her. She's I like

the character that's like, OK, this is what's

going on. And I've got it figured out. And like,

you know, because I like strong adversaries.

I think they're more interesting. than sort of

jobbing it to some, you know, schmuck who just

can't, you know. That's boring, that's just...

Like the second -in -command schmuck. The guy,

I forget what his stupid name is, you know who

I'm talking about. I think so. Chief Hine, or

no, Mosque, or whatever, the young guy that the

old dude... The young guy that's getting in her

way. Yeah, basically. Yeah, the one that's like,

cause he's good. No, he's basically like, you

know, yeah, I have my little territory. Don't

you mess with it and everything's under control

and I know what I'm doing. Yeah. Him. Although,

although it's funny cause my second favorite

character, like one of my favorite characters,

he kind of is my second favorite character is

I call him Sergeant Tiny Penis because you know

what I'm talking about? because he's got that

small penis energy of like he's got to be the

biggest he's a short guy he's a little hefty

but he's just got to be the you know the the

blade is sharpest when it's used which is actually

not true but like you know he's mr he's mr guy

he reads soldier of fortune you know he's always

dreamed of being in a combat scenario and he

just like he's just all talk all bluster he's

he's kind of a chubby little lieutenant gorman

and it just all falls apart in his face i love

it i i one of the things i am sad about Is that

this particular Star Wars has been passed over

in terms of the toys? Yeah, because oh my god,

I would buy everything from this I mean they've

done they've done black series, which you know,

I am not a fan of the black series I actually

broke down after rewatching I broke down and

I bought a Luthen rail black series because I

love that character so much But like I would

buy I would buy him I would buy all of them Yeah,

like cuz I just I love that show so much but

it just I I think all we're ever gonna get is

is Cassian Vell And then the robot they did do

the robot but it was a Disney World exclusive

B They did be who's like the fucking heart of

the of the show Like I was watching it this time.

I'm like, I know you love Chopper, but tell me

you did not fall in love with B Yeah, B is B

is pretty awesome. He is so sweet because I love

the idea One of the things that made Star Wars

feel so revolutionary at the time was the idea

that everything had dents, everything had rust,

everything was used. At the time in science fiction,

that was revolutionary because everything was

more like the prequels back in the day. It was

all shiny and chrome and perfect. Star Wars was

rough and lived in and used up. B is like your

version of a phone with a broken battery. It's

a fascinating take on droids and he's so sweet.

There are even articles written about the way

that people treat him. Like another person, you

know, like like like like and it was cool and

I love the scene towards the end When the other

guy Brasso, you know, he's like, okay, you know

Marva Marvis died and you know, they're cleaning

out of her apartment and Brasso's like, okay,

you got to come with me and he's like, can we

just stay here tonight, please? Can you just

stay here with me, please? And he's like, okay

It's like oh and then the very end Cassian. It's

like you've never let me down, you know, he's

like talking up like Yeah, well, I'm leaving

you in charge because you know You know because

I trust you you've never let me down before buddy,

and it's like The show is so good It is so good

and the funny thing is when I watched the first

episode so I I don't have notes on every single

individual 12 episodes because Ladies and gentlemen,

I'm an idiot. We all know I'm an idiot. I was

supposed to watch this A week before this recording,

even though this recording will be published

in the future, I blitzed it. I watched everything

within 12 hours before we record. And I'm just

like oh I like like I I have notes in my head

I had you know we can talk about whatever whatever

if we want to bring up specific episode moments

or whatever but like I was sitting here the other

night and I was like no I can't sit here for

12 hours or whatever however because each episode

is like that 40, 50, well, whatever, man, I'm

not sitting here for 12 hours watching this.

I will lay in bed and watch it on my phone for

12 hours, fine, so I can consume it. But when

I wrote down notes for the first two episodes,

and I have four notes for episode one. First

intrigue, and droids! Because B2 is, I need,

if you've seen, I think either you pointed it

out to me or, whatever. The Star Wars YouTube

channel does the blips, the Star Wars blips with

R2 and BB -8. And it's this little animated thing

where they're having adventures and it's sound

effects and it's just the droids. No, I have

not seen that. I will probably not tell you about

that because I don't know about it. Okay, well,

I will share that with you because I think you

would, it's just like, it's shorts. It's literally

like two minute videos and there's like, I don't

know, three seasons of it or whatever. It's funny

stuff. But yeah, as soon as I saw B2, I was like,

ooh, I now want to see B2, R2, and BB8 all together.

And Chopper, add Chopper in there too. All four

of them. Four droids walk into a bar. We don't

serve your kind here. Oh god. So yeah, going

into this, I didn't know what to expect. I like

that there are no laser swords anywhere in this

series at all. Well, that was one thing I didn't

like is there was one moment and it was kind

of scoop. It was like it's not perfect. I love

the show, but it's not perfect. There's one more.

I thought was kind of stupid when it was trying

to be cool. Yeah. And you know what I'm talking

about, right? When Lutheran Lutheran ship gets

caught by the Imperials and a Cantwell class

cruiser, which is a super fanboy moment. Yes.

Colin Cantwell did the original designs for all

the models for Star Wars. And then he got he

got fired because they didn't like him. But he's

got his own little Millennium Falcon. And he's

doing all this cool badass stuff. And then all

of a sudden, his ship has these giant lightsaber

wings. And I was like, that's dumb. I don't like

that at all. I loved that. Because what I loved

about that was these Imperial police that are

trying to pull him over and stop him. Even though

they don't realize who he is, they're just harassing

him. There's a lot of that in the show. Like,

because there's always the mentality of people

where, well, if I just don't break the law, if

I'm just a good citizen, then what does it matter

if, like, the people in charge are a bunch of

fascists? And what Andrew's kind of trying to

say is, even though the characters did stuff,

what they get harassed for is stuff they didn't

do. He was doing better. Like, he had the little

ant. He had the stuff that shot out the back

and wrecked the dish. He didn't need... Space

lightsabers I think he did that was like that

was a cool that would that to me felt like what

the missiles are on the Again, you're you're

You know, I'm not worthy here But don't the x

-wings have missiles on the end of them that

you that you know what I mean? Like that's what

that looked like. No, they don't and the missiles

come out of the nose cone The torpedoes come

out of the nose cone, and then the things on

the end of the wings are the guns. Oh, okay.

Well, the guns. That's fine. To me, they basically

just took the guns and turned them into laser

swords. First ship and I thought it was hilarious

and funny as I love anytime Spaceships do weird

crazy stuff to get away. I love it. That's just

hilarious to me I understand why you don't like

it But at least it wasn't somebody showing like

at least it wasn't Luke. Of course. It couldn't

be Luke showing up Obviously, it's five years

before whatever but you know what I mean? Like

at least it's not somebody with a lightsaber

showing up that we already know and coming from

me that's weird folks because I'm the person

in Star Wars that I need to know the characters

that I already know and I don't really care about

any of the blah blah blah. Well, I'm changing

my tune on that. That whole approach is interesting

to me because, and I've been thinking about it,

you are in fact younger than me, and it occurred

to me that a lot of the media you consume, you

go into it already kind of knowing who the characters

are. Yep. Where, you know, like, you see a Batman

movie, you know who Batman is. When you saw Star

Wars for the first time, Luke Skywalker and Darth

Vader, they were all cultural icons, and you

would absorb that by osmosis. Where most of the

movies I saw as a kid, and even, you know, like,

for me, I take it as a standard kind of thing

that I go into a movie or book or TV show not

knowing who the characters are. And that part

of the show, part of what makes a show good or

bad is how they... and how those characters engage

me. So it is kind of weird to like, and I see

your point, but it's strange to me because almost

everything that I watch and consume, it's like,

I don't know who these guys are, and they do

have a limited time to convince me of who they

are, but I don't know who you guys are, so I

don't care. That's just strange to me. It's strange.

It's one of those things where I think now, In

2024, the reason why I've been like this for

the past, let's say, 17, 18 years since 2000,

whatever, 2010, 2011, 2012, whatever, is because

when I grew up in the eight, like I was born

in 1980. So we're, I'm 11 years younger than

you are. Somewhere around there, whatever. In

the eighties, we had all new stuff. because we

had He -Man and Transformers. There was no He

-Man, Transformers shit before the 80s. We had

that new stuff. That new stuff is now 40 to 50

to 60 years old or whatever. And all these companies

are doing now is just regurgitating that. There's

really no new like there isn't a new revolution

of hey Let's take this character or let's create

this character for this set and Go forward and

create something new with it. It's more of we

need to keep a hold of our IP We need to keep

going and make sure that is making us money.

That's why most of the time for me I prefer things

with characters. I know versus having to get

invested and then oh crap we didn't make enough

money again when we did the okay well like the

see that's interesting because you were a very

young child in the 80s yes because i was i was

like a preteen and teenager in the 80s and oh

my god like it was just a rule you did not get

attached to like there were a ton of science

fiction shows on tv but you did not get attached

to them you never got attached because they if

they were made up by six episodes you were lucky

You know, it's like something would come on you

go. Oh, that's neat and then it was gone That's

the same that that's even more relevant today,

man, like Okay, I know it's not the best whatever

and it was just a little silly thing It was it

was a test that NBC did and I can't believe I'm

bringing this up in a Star Wars show of all Star

Wars pockets of all things NBC a number of years

ago tried to do a show called the Playboy Club

starring David Krumholtz, Bernard from the Santa

Claus movies. He was also Charlie in numbers

from 2005. Anyway, so the Playboy Club was very

short -lived. It had like, I don't know, five,

six, seven episodes, whatever it was, didn't

make enough money, and NBC pulled it. So the

companies have been doing that for ever since

the 80s to now. If it doesn't make ... I'm sure

before then, too. Well, obviously, yes. I was

more attuned to it because it was a ... Because

science fiction was the specific genre and like

I would pay attention to that But I'm sure they

did that with like like cop shows and westerns,

you know, cuz that's that's just TV It's like

I remember NBC was a little weird in the early

to mid 80s because Brandon Tartakov would fight

for shows Yeah, and that's how we got Cheers

and that's how we got a couple other shows that

like would have normally been canceled right

away Yeah, but Brandon Tartakov fought for them.

Yep. Oh Yeah, absolutely and it's just one of

those things where in today's market of streaming

and and all that and everything else it's like

you better watch this and have no expectations

of it because if you try to get any expectations

of it you're going to be sorely let down if it

doesn't continue kind of thing but and or again

first first episode I wrote down what is it what

is he exactly after etc etc we obviously find

out it's this box and then really he's looking

for scars guards character uh what's his oh god

i've got it right here luthen rail luthen rail

but it's the opposite like he's he's looking

to sell the box get out and luthen rail's looking

to uh like yeah not hire him but i mean technically

hire him but acquire him for the heist yeah del

donnie heist yeah And then the last note I have

for the first episode, I will say that this is

the first show or film in a long time that does

the time transitions correctly to where it's

not jarring. I hate time jumps. I don't care

if it's a comic book, I don't care if it's a

cartoon, I don't care if it's a movie, a TV show.

If you are in the present and you jump back to

the past or you go to the future, and you don't

have a proper way to convey that, it is jarring

to me and the back and forth. But I will say,

the back and forth on this, how they did it with

the time wipes or how they did it with the, almost

like the commercial break type stuff, I found

that very, very cool. And again, we're seeing

Cassian's beginning here, and that's really interesting.

Yes, he was an Ewok. I remember the first time

I saw it, I was like, oh, he's an E - I mean

they he comes from a very culturally primitive

planet. Yeah society on the planet I Remember

like I had an easier time this time because I

was a little you know the first time around It's

the first time around and I'm watching it. I

was a little confused by what all happened there

Not the actual events, but like there's all the

stuff about it being wiped out and horrible like

I guess there was a mine and the mine had an

accident and Then the Republic troopers came

and wipe wiped out his village after he got rescued.

Yeah It's a little like I got those two things

kind of mixed up in my head, which was confusing.

It happens, because you're watching the thing,

and you're not. The first time, especially, I'm

not taking notes. I'm not preparing to talk about

it to anybody. It's just, you know. Yeah, you're

just watching it to enjoy it. And I will say,

one knock on the show. Like I said, it's not

perfect. I was slightly annoyed. And I get that.

You can make the argument, oh, well, in real

life, things happen, and things don't always

work out, and it's not always neat and tidy.

That's fair. But the whole thing about a sister,

Like yeah, really important in that first episode

and then now now his adopted mother does say

let it go Yeah, which is which is I guess fair

but like, you know that that it is the TV show

Like, you know, like you can't really let it

go that that feels weird and unresolved Yeah,

it did feel weird and unresolved and yeah I love

his mom. I love Cassian's mom. She's great. Yes,

Marva is amazing. Oh I understand why they killed

her but damn I wish they hadn't killed her And

the only reason why I understand why they did

it is because number one They're evil and number

two is so we could have the recording of her

recording and you and you know that when Like

I guess they fought for this and they lost when

she's saying fight the Empire. Uh -huh That was

not the original line of dialogue. Oh boy, what

was the original line? It was another word that

begins with the letter F. Fuck the Empire, wow.

Fuck the Empire. Yeah, they wanted that in there

and they couldn't get it. Oh, I think - Have

you any feelings about that? That's so her. That's

so perfect. That would be so cool. But like it

would be weird. It would be weird in the sense

that she's trying to basically rally the troops

and have everybody go fight. And it's weird.

Like it's weird to have the word fuck in Star

Wars. Well, true. Yes. I mean, unless it's, you

know, how it should have ended or something.

But yeah, it just yeah, it's really, really like

I love. Did you catch there's a there's a big

riot. There's a big fight. Brasso has the brick

that has her ashes in it. Yeah. And he uses it

to clobber an Imperial guy, and I'm like, oh,

she'd be happy. Yeah, she'd be so happy. She'd

be so happy. That's one way to spread her ashes

right there, just right in the face. Whomp! Whomp.

Oh, man. Now, this was a lot of fun to show.

I'm really glad you liked it. Oh, yeah. Like

I said, I don't remember. I only remember the

ending to Rogue One. I don't remember anything.

And I'm glad we're gonna eventually go through

and do Rogue One as we're doing this whole 12

months of Star Wars series so I can rediscover

it and figure out whether I actually like it

or not. But I didn't give two crap about Cassian's

character back then. And now, because I have

all this from this series, it's like, oh, I now

need to see where it goes from here with him

and how... his arc eventually obviously ends.

What else about season one of Andor? Would you

like to talk about, sir? I mean, there's there's

I mean, it's a whole show, so there's a lot to

it. The I just I love the way it's all put together.

I love my favorite thing are the arcs because

there's like three arcs. And I've said this before,

I think off air and maybe on air or on the show

where like if you were paying attention, the

first arc is like corporate security. Yep. And

then it's Imperial soldiers. And then after the

Aldani raids, suddenly there are stormtroopers

everywhere. You don't see a stormtrooper until

episode, I think, seven. You see a TIE fighter

during the Aldani arc because they're flying

around. And this is part of Lutheran's plan,

is to provoke the empire into reacting so that

people will be more inclined to join the rebellion.

It's sort of sold as the dawn of the rebellion,

the beginning of the rebellion, but it's the

beginning of the rebellion and the empire we

know. Yes. Because the empire at the beginning

of the show, Cassian says, they're kind of fat

and arrogant and content. And you can get away

with a lot because they're not really paying

attention. They're not quite as oppressive. By

the end of the series, they're paying, by the

end of the season, they're paying attention.

They're paying attention. And yes, it is episode

seven because he... returns to Ferex to settle

old debts, and he learns that people blame him

for the Imperial security crackdown and the presence

of stormtroopers on Ferex remains... I think

it's earlier in the episode there's a shot at

a spaceport on Coruscant. Yes. And suddenly there

are stormtroopers there. Yep. I wasn't even sure

if we were gonna see Coruscant. I was like, ooh,

Coruscant, yay! Yeah, and I love, like... You

know, it's such an interesting contrast because

we got Coruscant in Mandalorian season 3 And

and those were like more the Ralph McQuarrie

and there is there's a whole scene that takes

place From a Ralph McQuarrie painting the during

the episode that I hate With Pershing and the

mean lady who betrays him and it's like there's

like the tip of the tallest mountain It's like

the only piece of of course on its natural landscape.

That's that's left exposed. There's a park built

around it. Yeah And that's a Macquarie painting.

There's this book of largely unused Macquarie

paintings that flesh out the Star Wars galaxy.

And the part of me is like, OK, that's neat.

I'm a fanboy. I know where that comes from. But

it looked like they filmed it. They've got this

weird airplane hanger with TV screens or whatever.

And it worked for the first couple of seasons

in Mandalorian. It looked fake. It looked, but

all the scenes, all the locations in Andor, even

though they don't quite look like something out

of Macquarie's sketchbook, they look real. I

think they were real locations and they look

interesting. And I loved Coruscant in this show.

I loved, like the one guy gets the job at the

Bureau of Standards, and it's just a million

cute, like I loved stuff like that. I loved the

apartment buildings. I loved... That design,

I love the station, the transit station on court.

I loved all that real world, kind of vaguely

European, weird, weird to American eyes architecture.

I loved it, I adored it. It just looked cool,

it looked weird, it looked alien. Not alien,

but different. I don't want to be lazy and I

have a Star Wars encyclopedia right next to me,

folks. Remind me, when did Mon Mothma first debut?

Was it Empire or Jedi? She shows up in Jedi.

She literally kind of shows up out of nowhere

in Jedi. Yeah, and that's fine. We'll get to

that. The reason why I'm asking is because, all

as I ever remembered of her character before

watching the cartoons and watching this, was

many buffons died for this information. I am

so happy that she is a character that is not

just relegated to that one -liner now. Like I

love seeing all like I want the Mon Mothma story

and we're kind of getting it between what happens

in the in the animated stuff and what's happening

here I am all for her story and how she is interacting

with everybody Like that is awesome. I love her

story in the show, but it also watching it a

second time I started getting angry and I got

angry because of Ahsoka and Mandalorian season

3 because like I mean she literally like Kind

of sells her daughter to a gangster. Yeah horrible

decision try to keep her head above water to

keep the rebellion going and Like the new they

just treat the new Republic like it's garbage

It tortures people and they're idiots and they

eventually get wiped out anyway in force awakens

Yeah, so it really feels like she did that for

nothing Yeah, that's that's depressing and angry.

It just it I Like it's weird. It's like and or

and and road one are like these little gems in

the poop that is Disney Star Wars. And you see

what could have been, you see what happens when

someone who cares about the subject matter and

wants to write a good story and be compelling

and not just go, look, TIE Fighters, give me

money. Look, it's an X -Wing, give me money.

Look, look, the stupid... The stupid New Republic's

stupid because they're stupid and they have to

be an antagonist for the heroes. That's how you

write fiction. I wonder if Genevieve O 'Reilly,

the actress who plays Maumauk, literally said

to someone when they were filming Ahsoka, can

I just have a scene in this trial sequence where

I at least pretend not to be a moron? or ask

a somewhat pertinent question, or I know something's

going on, please? Yeah. Because I can't imagine

playing that same character in those two shows.

Yeah. That would just be weird, because it's

like, OK, here I'm smart, but I'm making all

these really tough decisions, and here I want

to counsel idiots. OK. And going back to our

Soka covers that we did last year, Don't need

a I don't need a security pass. I don't need

this. I'm see 3po She finishes his name. I'm

like, okay, like the fanboy and he was like,

oh, that's so great But now in and or it's like

again seeing her story seeing How she is with

everybody? Yeah, just more more of Mon Mothma,

please. Yes, please Yeah, let's talk about since

you're talking about writing and all that. Let's

talk about Tony Gilroy He is the creator. He's

Well, it says he's the writer main writer or

whatever on on and or but he also has a creative

credit on it, but this guy Writing credits. Oh

man 1992 is the cutting edge. Okay, I know everyone's

gonna be like oh the cutting edge. What are you

talking? Like this skating movie people know

Dolores Claiborne Extreme measures. He was a

writer on that the devil's advocate You've got

Reeves and Pacino and he wrote that I love that

movie He did the adapt he did the adaptation

of Armageddon proof of life from 2000 The born

tree he's the writer on the born trilogy. Have

you ever seen the you haven't no, but I know

people really like it I know it's supposed to

be pretty good. Yeah, he did the first three

movies. He did not do The fourth one that was

the kind of he did identity supremacy and ultimatum

from 2002 04 and 07 and I love those three movies

because it's freaking goodwill hunting as this

weird spy person type thing. Michael Clayton,

Duplicity, State of Play, Born Legacy. He did

write Born Legacy. That's the fourth one. And

then Rogue One and Andor. And it makes sense

because Andor is a political thriller. It was

the rare instance where they got the right guy

for the job. Yeah, absolutely. And it's a political

thriller. that doesn't beat you over the head

with an orange mallet? Well, it doesn't ha...

I mean, like, the beauty of Star Wars is, like,

it's pretty obvious who the bad guys are. Like,

it's... Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know, the thing

that I really love the most about Andor is, um...

And I always try to find a way to say this kind

of very carefully, because I don't want to be

insulting. Okay. But, like, I... The thing that's

great about Star Wars, particularly the original

movies, is that they spoke to the children of

all of us. I don't want to say they're four children,

because that sounds very diminishing. But I think

they spark that wonder, that magic, that excitement

that you have as a kid. And I think that's the

beauty of them. They're very simple, morality

tales. Being four children isn't a bad thing.

And I think that's the beauty. And I think, weirdly,

that's the biggest flaw of the Phantom Menace.

is that because he was trying to do like, because

he was doing all this political stuff, like not

political thrillers, but like trade routes and

Senate procedurals. So he was trying to balance

it out by being extra childish because Jar Jar

steps in poop, he gets farted on. It was just,

it was a weird mishmash. And I think, you know,

then Attack of the Clones just was weird and

didn't work. And I think Revenge of the Sith,

I think he was trying to aim for a 13 year old

audience, which is why it probably works better.

Yeah, because because he was he he he got the

the the the tone fit the audience Yeah, and or

is written for grownups And again, it's not a

knock on Star Wars But I think that's the big

thing is it's it's written for an adult and I

love that about it. I am NOT I Love the moments

in Mandalorian where I feel like I'm seven years

old again. Yep, but I'm not And I love that this

show talks to me like I'm a 52 year old, but

it's still in my Star Wars galaxy Yeah, that's

I love that. I love that someone was able to

pull that off. Yeah, absolutely and Don't know

what because they I mean as far as I know they're

their friends I don't know if there was a past

with them But you have this whole thing with

Bix and her boyfriend or whatever Tim at the

time and yeah and and all that and Tim's jealous

and he's following Cassian and he's doing this

need and eventually Tim, you know doesn't end

and Yeah, yeah, you get killed by the security

guys. Yeah. Well, I think I think Cassian I think

Cassian kind of It's pretty implied that Cassian

gets around. Oh yeah. And that Vix was an early

conquest. There's a line about her dad, I think.

Oh God, yeah. Early on, or not early on, like

when he visits her before she gets captured.

There's a line about her dad being mad that he

climbed over the fence and... Yeah. Yeah. But

I love her character. I just, man, need more

of her character. That is, I just... I cannot,

I'm so excited for this whenever the second season

happens. And how, I don't know if we wanna skip

all the way to pass the credits at this point

in the podcast, but. Did you have caught that

if I hadn't said anything? Probably not, because

as soon as the credits start rolling on Disney

Plus shows most of the time, I don't stick around.

I figure, oh, it's all these whatever. And look,

credits are great. Everybody needs to have credit.

Everybody who worked on something, I give credit

to everybody. but half the time I'm like, okay,

what's the next episode I need to start watching

now? I think most people are, I think that's

one of the genius things about Mandalorian was

that it had the cool concept art. Yes. You kind

of enjoyed looking at the concept art and like

staying through the credits. Yep. Yeah. I don't

even remember. Like, like it's weird because

when something really like gets to me, you know,

when I, when I, when something, when I enjoy

something a lot, I will kind of go on this weird,

like I don't want to let it go. And I'll just

kind of like, so the first time I watched it,

I just let the credits roll because I wasn't

ready to go yet. And then and then the thing

popped up this time around. Ironically, I forgot

about that scene. So I didn't I didn't see it.

And then like, like later that day, I was like,

oh, damn, I got to make sure to tell Mike because

I got to make sure Mike catches it. Yeah, it's

such a great it's because the whole thing is

doing so. So to set it up, there's the third

arc is Cassian gets arrested on a totally bullshit

charge. sent to this prison and it's a prison

factory and they're making this doodad and at

the time oh my god like the the internet was

like what are they making they had all these

theories they had all the speculation everybody

was like really fascinated with what they were

making and i was kind of like i didn't really

care i was like it's a thing they're making it

like because because the thing isn't important

yeah silly me like the important thing is that

he's in a bad situation and they gotta like they

gotta make a quota and down with the team. And

then there's this great moment because freaking

Andy Serkis as Keno Loy, there's this moment,

which is just like, I mean, like if he doesn't

submit that for the Emmys. Yeah, I know. Right.

Because they're working in this prison. And his

whole thing is he's the floor manager. Andy Serkis

is the floor manager and he's just counting down

his days. He's got like another two years or

something. His time's getting shorter. He just

wants to do his time, make his quotas, get out

of there. they find out that nobody like they

find out that they're that when people get out

they're just being moved around and the way they

find that out is a guy got moved around to floor

two and everybody rioted and they murdered every

single one of them to keep the secret so they

now know that nobody will ever leave and the

look on his face because his whole world has

been about doing his time and leaving and Just

just you're watching a man's entire reality crumble

the horror of the reality of what he's dealing

with and having lost everything that he's clinging

to it is like and then and then the one thing

another thing like I I sort of hate about the

show I sort of love about the show is this show

takes cheap fucking shots there's there's the

during the during the the robbery there's a bunch

of guys who get killed cheaply and the one the

one guy the one little idealist guy with his

journal It's like crushed by a bike a stack of

credits when it falls on them. I'm like, that's

a cheap fucking shot, man They were already out

of the hangar. Yeah, and then and then during

the big escape sequence, you know They have to

jump out into this ocean and keynote always like

I can't swim like you The first time I screamed

at my TV. I was so pissed off Yeah, it's so cheap

My my head can't it my head Kenneth or That he

jumped anyway, and then that one of the other

prisoners helped them get to shore This is my

head cannon, which is mine. Yeah, and fun fact

fun fact that the guy that that that uh And or

escaped with mm -hmm as a minor minor part. I

didn't even know this the first time I watched

it He's in rogue one. He's a rebellion in rogue

one. So that character comes back kind of I mean

like you kind of see him in my group scenes But

like he does join the rebellion Very cool. Very

cool. That is awesome. That is so cool. Yeah,

no and or season one. I don't know if we got

railed us this whole thing leads Ultimately to

a post -credit scene you find out what those

do hickeys are. Uh -huh. Do you want it? No,

you good. Okay. Well the it cuts to these robots

are these little droids are installing the doohickey

They're like star shape. They're like asterisk

shaped doohickeys. They're part of the super

web They're part of the super laser of the Death

Star Yeah, and they're they're they're building

the dead because and it you know in Rogue one

the whole thing is about getting the plans for

the Death Star and ultimately Andor dies because

he gets killed by a blast from the Death Star.

So ironically He actually helped make the thing

that kills him in the end. Oh God, I hate when

that happens. This show is like ridiculous with

the depth and the... So if this is BBY5, BBY,

BBY5, whatever the hell. BBY5, yeah. How are

they gonna do a season two like... It ends right

before Rogue One is what they're saying. Okay.

Like some of the stuff is supposed to be Yavin.

Okay. Alright, I okay. I'm okay. I'm good with

that then yeah So then basically I have to move

all the Star Wars stuff around if season two

happens before Road one No, I'm not doing that

not doing that folks. I have I have very you

know weirdly I have mixed feelings about season

two because I think season one was so great and

I like yeah like my other thing my other biggest

complaint about season one is I Felt like I would

have preferred it if it had been like a fire

and forget And everything got wrapped up in the

end because I feel like the the final episode

kind of pulls its punches To get everybody out

and in place for this next season, you know,

right? It's like the only people who really die

are like super minor characters like like Deidre

should have been like murdered by the crowd Yeah,

like like all these characters kind of get like

pulled out and like just Mean, I love the scene

between casting and be but like it's just like

everybody kind of gets moved around so they can

be there for the sequel yeah, and I'm like and

at the time I was annoyed cuz I felt like it

was a little cheap and Honestly, I almost kind

of a hate that rogue one and everyone that Andor

has gotten more hype as it goes along because

I think as I said to you I Think it will attract

more attention from the higher -ups. That's all

I'm gonna say Yeah, they'll want to be more involved

where I think before it was like nobody really

like like you are pretty representative Nobody

really cared about this character. I did like

I loved rug one So like when they said they were

doing a casting and or a spin -off show. I was

like, yeah I was the guy like nobody cares about

this show. Nobody's excited. I'm like I am I'm

super excited. I really want this show and I

loved it But now that like people are paying

attention It's kind of like, uh, are they going

to start sending notes? Are we going to have

to do things? Is it going to be messed with like,

yeah, please be good. Yeah, please be good. I

want to know what happens to Lutheran. I like

because the one thing we have to talk about before

we wrap this up, there's there's a there's an

ISP officer named Lonnie, which is and he's actually

an undercover agent who's who's being Handled

by Luthen and he wants out. There's a great scene

where he kind of contacts Luther and says here's

all this information I'm giving to you as like

a present because I want out and Luthen says

I can't let you go. It's like well, you know,

I've got a kid I've got all the stuff I can lose

and he makes it he says the line What's your

sacrifice? Mm -hmm and Luthen gives this amazing

speech, which is just I love it You know, like

he basically says I've sacred he says he eventually

says everything But he makes it very clear what

everything means. He means he's giving up who

he is as a person. And again, so angry at the

way they dropped the ball. He's giving up everything,

decency, kindness, kinship. He's using the tools

of his enemy to create a sunrise he'll never

see. He's literally sacrificing himself to make

a better world. And we know that it doesn't happen

because the better world is in the Republic,

which is garbage. I mean, as far as I'm concerned,

headcanon, Star Wars doesn't go past Mandalorian

Season 2. But my point is, I don't know my point,

but I want to know what happens to this character.

Because you know he dies in Season 2. He's got

to die in Season 2. Yeah. Yeah, you want to know,

because you were invested at the start with Rogue

One, and I'm invested now with the beginning,

like starting here and then getting to Rogue

One. Like, oh, I finally understand. It took

this for me to understand why people liked him

in Rogue One even though I didn't give to Cresswell.

I fell in love with him. The first thing he does

is murder a guy. Maybe I'm a monster. The whole

thing is he's meeting with an informant. The

informant's been injured before. I don't know

if you remember this very well, so I'll just

lay it out. The informant's been injured. Like

some stormtroopers kind of noticed them and they're

in an alleyway. They're stuck They got to climb

over this thing to get out and the guys like

oh, I can't climb my arms bad and Cassian like

makes a split -second decision. Okay, I can't

let you fall on their hands so much for you Yeah,

and I'm like, okay. I love I'm in I mean, I'm

in with this movie. I'm in with this character.

I love him because I mean, it's what I what I

was about to say a minute ago anyway is is Star

Wars presents the rebellion from the top up From

the the Jedi Prince from the princess. Yeah,

very antiseptic very the hero pilots I mean Han

Han has always been my favorite character because

Han is the closest to an everyman there is right

I mean like I can't I can't be the chosen one,

but I can drive a truck with my dog So I've always

loved Han No, but the whole thing is a fairy

tale. The whole thing is very kind of clean But

an actual rebellion would have dirt and grime

at the base, you know And I love that. I love

that Rogue One was as high -minded as the Rebellion

was. Any war, any conflict is going to have some

nasty shit when you dig down far enough. And

Rogue One was showing that, like, yeah. I mean,

even then, it was a lot more antiseptic than

I think Andor was. Andor may not have shown it

as much, but Andor kind of implied that, like,

because Luthen is playing games with everybody,

Luthen is sacrificing people. It's like a game

of chess for him, and he knows it, and it eats

him alive that he has to do this. But he has

to do it because taking down the Empire is the

more important priority. And I love that. I love

that there's just like, because again, the initial,

one of the initial things about Star Wars was

the rust, the dense. This is kind of the rust

and the dense in the narrative. Like, it's not

all hero pilots and medal ceremonies and triumphant

music and shiny droids. blood and sacrifice and

doing some dirty crap. Because in the end, the

evil puffy monster man you're trying to take

down is worse. That was the other that was the

other weirdest thing about watching and or was

you're watching this complex political thriller

drama, very, very kind of grounded, very kind

of realistic. And at one point, they mentioned

the emperor. And I'm just, you know, I'm just

thinking of Ian Mcdiamond is this puffy monster

man at the center of this like deep Very kind

of realistic thriller thing and it all revolves

around this goofy evil puffy sorcerer monster

So it makes me laugh. So you want to know something

really funny? Sure. I thought they were trying

to turn Stella into Ian No grabs that friggin

wig. I was like, wait a minute. Are they trying

to? No, they wouldn't do that. Come on now like

I was like the whole wig thing just wigged me

out I guess it was really really I understand

why he did it because he had to disguise himself

But look at look at his look at Luther's face

in this show and he's not like a close resemblance

to Ian at all but just the way that he's portrayed

the way and then you bring the wig in and I'm

just like What is this episode five? What is

this the Empire Strikes Back where you had a

really weird looking young Emperor? I don't know.

It just it drew my head. Oh that could be Palpatine

Interesting obviously, that's not where it goes

thankfully and all that and all that but But

yeah, no, I yeah, this was really really fun

buddy of mine DJ Valentine He he's done a lot

of stuff with us in the past He said when I posted

the picture of the main title on when I was watching

this He said the last good Star Wars anything

left He's not wrong yeah My buddy Brad who listens

all the time. He says enjoyed it Well, I've enjoyed

all the live -action stuff so far probably most

excited for season two more than the other series

So yeah, I'm excited to see where these characters

go it's gonna be interesting and fun and really

really cool and we are gonna have to do the continuity

backwards because season two isn't coming out

and i'm not delaying this whole 12 months of

star wars just to fit season two in between season

one and we'll do it we'll do it like it's still

okay yeah yeah pretty much yeah uh one like one

thing again like there's a lot of because i'm

as much as i love star wars i'm not like I'm

not the guy to do the YouTube video of like this

suit of armor was mentioned in this comic book

from But there's a lot of that in the show like

there were a couple things I caught I caught

like a Gungan shield But they mentioned that

that Cassian I guess he served in the Empire

because he served at the Battle of Mimim Okay,

which is which is a which is a fun lore drop

number one when we do solo we will see Mimim

again Okay, and number two Where that comes from

is the original Star Wars sequel, Splinter of

the Mind's Eye. So that little name drop is kind

of a neat little, and I think I got to go back.

I haven't rewatched. I can't remember the name

of the planet that Bill Burr's character was

on, or his like whole troop got wiped out. But

that may have been them too. Remember there's

a scene where he's like in the, they're undercover

in the Imperial Cafe and he meets his former

commanding officer who like sold his guys out

and they all got killed and Burr shoots him.

I don't remember that. Oh, it's like a real tense

scene because because burr remembers this this

guy I like sold them out Okay remembers that

and he like he's trying not to shoot him throughout

the entire sequence And the guy is just like

please shoot me I'm an arrogant prick and finally

he does they have to fight their way out and

I can't remember that was Mimim as well because

like this because they mentioned in and or that

like The Imperials like actually were shelling

each other or shooting each other And it's pretty

chaotic and solo like you actually see stuff

on the ground in solo. Although there are like

like native adversaries in solo that's where

Han meets Chewie which is funny because Han and

Chewie aren't in Splinter of the Mind's Eye and

you will have heard all of this folks at the

end of last year because I have now moved the

schedule to have solo come before this episode

It's weird that the whole rebellion only really

took shape in five years. That's a little weird.

Weird to me. Yeah, rebellions usually take about

a decade or so. I mean, he's been working on

it. Like, like, Lutheran says he's been working

on it for 16 years. Yeah, it's pretty clear that

Saw Gerrera and some of the other guys have been

doing stuff. Right. Yeah. But I guess the Alliance.

Yeah. Yeah. The main core, the the head. I want

to say heads of state, but the heads of the Alliance.

Yeah, it's and like, I get kind of tingly where

I'm like, oh, he's going to ask him. Like I'm

thinking, oh, the rebellion's already kind of

there. I know it's not, but my thought was when,

when Lutheran was like, I have a greater cause

for you. I have this, I have that. What if, what

if I told you, you can have all your dreams in

one fell swoop. You can have the 20 million credits

and everything else all at once. And my thought

was, okay, he's going to ask him to join. The

rebellion and that but that's not how it plays

out and that's fine It is what it is and I can't

wait to see the the rest of the whatevers But

that was my thought was the reason why Lutheran

was looking for him was so he could not just

the heist He could ask him to be a better person

and you know join them where they cause because

even though Cassian is and I wrote this down

And I wrote this down just because it's a it's

a Star Wars staple In episode two, I think after

we first meet Bix, Andor does something. And

I wrote down, Andor, you scoundrel. Oh, man.

I don't know. Like I said, I binge watched the

12 episodes in like 12 hours. So it's kind of

blurring right now. But I remember writing that

we already said, in episode one of the series,

he does, he kills the two, whatever. Yeah, the

two security guards are harassing him and rob

him. Yeah, pretty much. But there was something

in episode two where I'm just like, oh, okay,

I get it. He's essentially sort of, kind of,

a little bit, tiny bit like an older version

of the kid. Mr. Jedi. Oh, God, not. Oh, Ezra.

God, how the fuck did I blank? Could it be? Was

was was he harassed for money in the second episode?

I don't think the guy who that's a funny scene.

Yeah. So when he goes into the club, is it when

he goes into the is it's when he's walking the

streets of Pharex and he runs into a guy he knows

who's like, hey, you owe me money. And, you know,

and then there's a big alien who's like working

with him. And he's like, what are you doing here?

And he's like, yeah. He talks the alien out of

like being the muscle for the other guy cuz that's

the guy that sells him out down the end. Yeah

Yeah, yeah, but it was it was something like

it was essentially something like Han shooting

first It was one of those types. Hence why I

said what I said why I wrote down what I wrote

down I was like, oh Okay, that's what and it

was the only only the second episode. Okay. That's

exactly where this is going Yeah, but no very

very enjoyable It's It's one of those shows that

I think everyone should watch. Just to experience

it, not necessarily for the whole continuity

aspect of anything, but just to... If you're

looking for a fresh piece of the Star Wars universe

that doesn't have laser swords, this is it. Okay,

technically the ship had laser swords, but that

was one moment out of 12 episodes. I mean, if

you're looking for kind of a cool political thriller

that has... Really just a touch of science fiction

to it. There's not a lot of sci -fi to it. I

mean, it's like they use spaceships to get around.

Yeah, it is kind of a The beauty of the end or

is it could be set during World War two, you

know It could be set anywhere any time almost,

you know Or and it's it's it's it's a really

good cool thriller. It's a character piece These

characters are interesting. They're engaging.

I Mean, you know, it's it's God For 2023 audiences

for modern millennial audiences guide diversity.

I don't know what more you I I don't know what

more you want then like It's both got all the

ticks off all the boxes for the Millennials,

but it's also a good story with compelling characters

and stuff happens that is important and things

Things don't just happen randomly thing You know,

there's two different types of writing. I can't

remember what they're called, but there's one

that's like, thing happens, and then another

thing happens directly because of the thing happening.

And then there's the other kind of writing, which

is thing happens, thing happens, thing happens,

thing happens. And this one is really well written.

It's got everything. I think it's more cause

and effect. It's a little slow at the beginning,

but other than that, it's so good. I promised

myself I wasn't gonna do that, but it is so good.

Especially because we've been starved so long.

Yeah, that rise left a bad taste in everybody's

mouth, didn't it? We'll get to that, folks. Oh,

boy, those are going to be fun episodes in all

kinds of horrible ways. Oh, God, the sequel trilogy.

So, since we've been doing all this Star Wars

stuff, I've been seeing a lot of George Lucas

shorts, whether it's him or whether it's people

using AI to recreate. I was like, please don't

use AI with George Lucas, but I've seen several

things where he has said, there are six movies.

That's it. He's talking about, yes, I sold my

stuff. Yes, they're doing things with the stuff

that I created, but for me, there are six movies.

I had plans for this or that and whatever else,

but what they produced wasn't my... Whatever.

It is what it is. One of the beauties of the

situation, one of the few good things about the

situation, is that it's very easy to draw a line.

There's the before Disney stuff and the after

Disney stuff. It's very easy for me to go, okay,

see you, Disney stuff. Like I will salvage I

will salvage a couple of like little gems And

or rogue one Mandalorian one and two. Yep, and

then the rest of them just you know flush that

I'm fine with that. Like I got no problems. Yeah,

and then you said before Disney and I'm like

before Disney after Disney so BD and AD. Oh great

Well, to be 100 % fair, there's a lot of rose

-colored glasses looking backwards. Like, I've

read a lot of this. I've read some stuff. Let

me put it this way. As bad as the sequel trilogy

is, there was crap in Star Wars before then.

There was garbage before. There was terrible

crap in Star Wars before. Disney got his hands

on it. All right, it was not a perfect time In

fact, you know the weirdest thing about this

whole sequel trilogy is the way that like everybody

is being much much kinder Prequel trilogy. Yeah

kinder gentler Star Wars And then I think to

some extent I think that's fair to re -examine

the prequel trilogy, but I'm just saying like

It was not all sunshine and roses and then Disney

came along and like stop. Oh, yeah, there was

There was poop. There was plenty of poop to shovel

back in the day. Yep. Especially in that trash

compactor. All right, folks, we are going to

rate this zero to five with half points. What

are you going to give season one of Andor, sir?

Five. I'm surprisingly right. I thought I was

going to take a couple of points off or a half

point off, but no, I'm I'm right there with you.

Fives all around. It was really, really good.

Again, like I mentioned at the beginning of this.

mystery, intrigue, and droids. Yeah, B2 is awesome.

B2 is amazing. The beauty of it is you start

to dig into the secondary characters and they're

all really interesting. Like his buddy, Barrasso,

he's a cool character. He doesn't get a lot of

screen time, but you just get the sense that

he's interesting, he's got a life. This show

is so well done. One thing I will say before

I... do the Ed Brig thing is that I didn't say

earlier. I love how Cassian is trying to craft

the story. Like, no, even though this happened,

that's not the way you're going to tell it how

it happened. Like, that reminds me of 25 years

ago. 1998's Great Expectations with the adaptation

with Ethan Hawke and Gwyneth Paltrow. Ethan Hawke

in a narration opens the film. I'm not going

to tell you how the story happened. I'm going

to tell you how I remember it happening. Like,

I love that Cassine is basically feeding everybody

these stories on how, you know what I mean? That's

just so cool to me. It's a great moment. So fun.

All right. One thing I do want to say while we're

summing up is that one of the biggest, stupidest

complaints I saw about the show, there are fucking

aliens in Andor. There are plenty of them Like

everyone's like There are and even if there weren't

Hey, they really weren't that many in the original

like you take out the Cantina scene in Jabba's

palace Yeah, that's and they really weren't that

many there was like one scene in I mean people

always get busy like well, Chewbacca is an alien.

Yeah. Okay, Chewbacca is an alien You know, but

Bimo's a droid like you've got that just There

are aliens in the show, they don't have a big

cantina sequence show stopper. Yeah, but they

don't need it because the show is not 1977, 1980,

or 1983. It's not about that. It's about, like

you've said in this episode, it's a political

thriller with Star Wars on the edge of it kind

of thing. It's a Star Wars story that has The

more blaster effects than lightsaber like Like

we've already said it's about the common guys

on the ground not exactly. Yeah, this is the

princesses fighting though There's their yeah

sword fights. Yeah, exactly All right, you're

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