STUDIO 2009
Andor Season 1 Review

About this Episode
Hey, hey, hey. It's the Chaos Queen here, and
you're listening to the Geekcast Radio Network.
And joining me once again for the first of the
year, 2024, we are all new in 2024 on the Gatecast
Radio Network. It is Mr. David Draper. Hello,
sir. How are you? Yay. Yay. Today we are continuing
on with the new year. And yeah, so new year,
new 12 months of Star Wars. We will most likely
finish all of our Star Wars coverage by December
of 2024 according to the schedule that I have
planned out. OK. So yeah, full year, full 12
months of Star Wars this year, and we are heading
back into that far, far away galaxy to talk about
season one of Andor, or Star Wars Andor, however
you want to, whatever they label it as. Yeah,
I think technically it's Star Wars Andor, but
I just call it Andor. I owe you an apology, actually.
Uh -oh, I didn't do it. I messed up the entire
series. I didn't realize it until I rewatched
the first episode. Because I thought Andor was
set earlier than it is. OK. Technically, Solo
should come first. Oh. I've ruined everything.
No, you haven't. I've spoiled it. Spoiled it.
No, you haven't. No, you haven't. We can fix
it the other day. OK. Well, Andor takes place
five years before Star Wars. Right. If you remember,
in the very beginning, it says five years BBY.
Yep. That's before Battle of Yavin. That's like
their ADBC kind of marker. We'll fix it in the
editing. It's fine. It's not a problem. That's
the interesting thing about pre -recording this
stuff, because ladies and gentlemen, even though
you're listening to this in 2024, we're recording
it. The future! Do you know roughly when in January?
First week of January, right after New Year's.
Why is that? My birthday is the second week of
January. Well, happy early birthday, sir. Thank
you. You're welcome. I know the date, but, you
know, weeks can be weird. OK, the date is what?
January what? No, actually, it's the third week,
the 15th. Oh, well, there you go. Martin Luther
King Jr.'s birthday. Yeah, this will come out
January 5th, so 10 days before your 27th birthday.
Yes. Oh, yes, Andor. Oh, boy. Just the facts.
Here we go, folks. Andor is a Disney Plus Star
Wars series. It was created by Tony Gilroy, which
we will talk about him in a moment. Star Wars,
obviously, based on George Lucas starring Diego
Luna, Kyle... Spun off from Rogue One. Yes, spun
off from Rogue One. And I'm so happy. If you
go back to whenever the hell Rogue One came out,
2016, 2017, whenever it was, after it came out,
we had reviewed over on a different podcast.
We reviewed The Force Awakens. The episode title
was The Force Awakens Inside Rogue One. So we
reviewed both films in one episode of the podcast
at the time. And I did not, back then, I did
not give two craps about Rogue One until a character
I knew showed up at the end. I cared nothing
for those characters back then, had no interest
in learning anything about them. And thankfully,
all these years later now, we have this prequel
to that film with this series. And I'm really
digging the characters in this. Cool. You know,
because you kept going, oh, it's going to be
interesting. And I know that you know that I
really like this show. Yeah. So I was like, oh,
OK. Like, does he hate it? Does he think it's
garbage? Does he expect you to fight? No. Just
the cuffs? So I was like, OK. I know that a lot
of fans did not necessarily like it. The show
itself is literally a slow burn. I'll let you
get back to the facts in a minute. But the show
itself is literally a slow burn. And I think
acceptance of the show was a slow burn. It was
like. After it aired, there was a lot of buzz
about how good it was and people suddenly kind
of came back to it. Because to be fair, that
first arc does move a little slow. I'm fine with
that. But I can see where people, you know, because
Star Wars is kind of known for faster, more intense.
That's the famous George Lucas quote. And it's
not that. It is as different from Star Wars.
You can be while still being Star Wars. And we'll
get we'll get into what I mean by that in a little
bit. But like I think that's What really sells
it for me is that it's because fans, fanboys
are always wanting the same thing, but different,
you know, like the same thing, but just a little
bit different. I want it on a plane this time.
I want it on a boat this time instead of in a
building. You know, I want the same thing, but
different. And this is the same universe, but
it's a very different approach. And I really
like that. I think it worked. I completely agree.
My name is Marva Karasi Andor. I'm honoured to
stand before you. I'm honoured to be a daughter
of Theryx. And honoured to be worthy of the stone.
A stranger. Fear's if I can see you. I was six,
I think. First time I touched a funerary stone.
Heard our music. Felt our history. Holding my
sister's hand as we walked all the way from Fountain
Square. Where you stand now, I've been more times
than I can remember. I always wanted to be lifted.
I was always eager, always waiting to be inspired.
I remember every time it happened, every time
the dead lifted me with their truth. And now
I'm dead. And I yearn to lift you. Not because
I want to shine or even be remembered. It's because
I want you to go on. I want Feryx to continue.
In my waning hours, that's what comforts me most.
But I fear for you. We've been sleeping. We've
had each other and Feryx, our work, our days.
We had each other and they left us alone. We
kept the trade lanes open and they left us alone.
Right, yeah. When the strike hit. But I'm saying,
this isn't like, oh my god, are we going to get
a second season of Ahsoka? Most people probably
don't want a second season of Ahsoka. But my
point is that this is going to have a second
season at some point this year, hopefully, unless
something else happens in Hollywood. Whole thing
burns down. They still got to finish the actors
right first. Yeah. so When I watched this I was
like, okay, I'm going into this fresh. Yes I
know the name Cassian and or I don't We've talked
about this. Yeah, you and I have talked about
this and other people and I have talked about
this I don't remember ten minutes ago, let alone
back in 2015 or 2016 What the hell like so like
that's what I did with this I went in fresh with
it I looked at it as this is the beginning of
this character's arc And Rogue One is the conclusion
to his arc, as far as I know, but I... Yeah,
I mean, if you remember the ending, it's the
conclusion. Yeah, well... It's very conclusory.
Yeah. But my point is that, and as I say this
in every episode, I love beginnings and endings.
I love the middle, too. The middle is great.
But I need to know where shit started and where
it ends. Because that's the whole again you and
I have talked about this on and off air about
storytelling and blah blah blah blah blah Endings
are very important. I think endings are not appreciated
As much because because a lot of storytelling
by because it's a commercial venture, you know
like sitcoms and and TV shows aren't supposed
to have endings. They're supposed to keep going
until it gets cancelled. Comic books aren't supposed
to have endings. These stories are written to
always be kind of open -ended. And even with
movies, particularly horror movies, they cheat
at the end, right? You resolve the story and
then you put a little thing at the end so you
can have a sequel, so you can make more money,
so you can do another one. A lot of writers,
a lot of creators don't appreciate how satisfying
a good ending really is. Yep Absolutely So starring
in this lovely Series 12 episode first season
series as I mentioned Diego Luna as Cassie Nandor
you have Kyle Saller you have Adra Arjana I'm
gonna screw these names up folks the two names
that I saw this that I was like wait What are
they doing in here? Stellan scars guard and Forrest
Whitaker It's like holy crap for us. What is
Nate? Okay, so you you must have forgotten you
really did forget rogue one because he's in that
yeah. Yeah Yeah, I yeah, I completely for yeah
rogue one is is is yeah, but yeah, so he plays
Forrest plays the the live -action version of
Saw Gerrera who I just saw in Clone Wars when
I did my whole animated series rewatch of the
Star Wars cartoons So yeah, so very, very awesome.
But for me, Stellan Skarsgård, he's not just
the scientist from the Marvel movies. He was
the opposite to the late great Robin Williams
in 1998's Good Will Hunting. He was his best
friend and... Professor, you know former whatever
they were professors together in goodwill hunting.
He was person Jared Lambeau but I mean this guy
has like It credits the mile long like seven
miles long he debuted in 1972 and Most recently
for film. He's gonna be in doing part two. He's
doing okay. Very cool. Very cool And then yeah,
he's gonna be Lutheran rail in in Andor 2022
to present so main role awesome. That's so cool
I love that guy. He's so great He is my favorite
part of the series Between him and Cassian they're
him Cassian and Bix is that how it's supposed
to be pronounced is Bix Bix is the girl from
Yeah, right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah There really
wasn't a main, like, there were three major,
I mean, there were kind of four major female
characters in the show, which is fascinating
to me because there's all this political stuff
bouncing back and forth, and the show has four
strong female, at least four, I mean, there's
like five, you know, because there's Mon Mokma,
there's Bix, there's Deidre, who's the ISB officer,
and there's Vel, and then there's Vel's girlfriend
who hates stormtroopers. They're all strong,
complex, flawed, multidimensional characters.
And I don't want to step on you doing your thing,
but one of the things I kind of loved in retrospect,
like when I started thinking about the show,
is Deidre's arc, the ISB officer. Because when
you meet her, she's kind of like, I like characters
that are smart and competent, as a general rule.
And she's like, she knows what's going on. And
no one at the ISB will listen to her. And there's
the one guy that's always kind of patting her
on the head. And it's like, you know, you're
kind of like, you go girl, you, you know, you,
you, you, you show these chauvinist dips and
she kind of makes her way and she, she rides
up to the ranks and you're like, yeah. And then
all of a sudden there's that, that, that, that
record scratch noise where you're like, Oh no.
Like, because the ISB are basically the Gestapo
for the, for the, the galactic empire. And, and
you realize what it means for her to rise to
the ranks and what, what she does. in her position
in the ranks and it's horrible. And you're like,
oh, I've been rooting for her. Yeah. Oh, no.
I knew as soon as I saw her, I'm like, she's
the she's the she's the evil villainous. Yeah.
Well, yeah, but I just I like that whole sense
of her being frustrated. Right. No, absolutely.
Just like I was rooting for her. She's I like
the character that's like, OK, this is what's
going on. And I've got it figured out. And like,
you know, because I like strong adversaries.
I think they're more interesting. than sort of
jobbing it to some, you know, schmuck who just
can't, you know. That's boring, that's just...
Like the second -in -command schmuck. The guy,
I forget what his stupid name is, you know who
I'm talking about. I think so. Chief Hine, or
no, Mosque, or whatever, the young guy that the
old dude... The young guy that's getting in her
way. Yeah, basically. Yeah, the one that's like,
cause he's good. No, he's basically like, you
know, yeah, I have my little territory. Don't
you mess with it and everything's under control
and I know what I'm doing. Yeah. Him. Although,
although it's funny cause my second favorite
character, like one of my favorite characters,
he kind of is my second favorite character is
I call him Sergeant Tiny Penis because you know
what I'm talking about? because he's got that
small penis energy of like he's got to be the
biggest he's a short guy he's a little hefty
but he's just got to be the you know the the
blade is sharpest when it's used which is actually
not true but like you know he's mr he's mr guy
he reads soldier of fortune you know he's always
dreamed of being in a combat scenario and he
just like he's just all talk all bluster he's
he's kind of a chubby little lieutenant gorman
and it just all falls apart in his face i love
it i i one of the things i am sad about Is that
this particular Star Wars has been passed over
in terms of the toys? Yeah, because oh my god,
I would buy everything from this I mean they've
done they've done black series, which you know,
I am not a fan of the black series I actually
broke down after rewatching I broke down and
I bought a Luthen rail black series because I
love that character so much But like I would
buy I would buy him I would buy all of them Yeah,
like cuz I just I love that show so much but
it just I I think all we're ever gonna get is
is Cassian Vell And then the robot they did do
the robot but it was a Disney World exclusive
B They did be who's like the fucking heart of
the of the show Like I was watching it this time.
I'm like, I know you love Chopper, but tell me
you did not fall in love with B Yeah, B is B
is pretty awesome. He is so sweet because I love
the idea One of the things that made Star Wars
feel so revolutionary at the time was the idea
that everything had dents, everything had rust,
everything was used. At the time in science fiction,
that was revolutionary because everything was
more like the prequels back in the day. It was
all shiny and chrome and perfect. Star Wars was
rough and lived in and used up. B is like your
version of a phone with a broken battery. It's
a fascinating take on droids and he's so sweet.
There are even articles written about the way
that people treat him. Like another person, you
know, like like like like and it was cool and
I love the scene towards the end When the other
guy Brasso, you know, he's like, okay, you know
Marva Marvis died and you know, they're cleaning
out of her apartment and Brasso's like, okay,
you got to come with me and he's like, can we
just stay here tonight, please? Can you just
stay here with me, please? And he's like, okay
It's like oh and then the very end Cassian. It's
like you've never let me down, you know, he's
like talking up like Yeah, well, I'm leaving
you in charge because you know You know because
I trust you you've never let me down before buddy,
and it's like The show is so good It is so good
and the funny thing is when I watched the first
episode so I I don't have notes on every single
individual 12 episodes because Ladies and gentlemen,
I'm an idiot. We all know I'm an idiot. I was
supposed to watch this A week before this recording,
even though this recording will be published
in the future, I blitzed it. I watched everything
within 12 hours before we record. And I'm just
like oh I like like I I have notes in my head
I had you know we can talk about whatever whatever
if we want to bring up specific episode moments
or whatever but like I was sitting here the other
night and I was like no I can't sit here for
12 hours or whatever however because each episode
is like that 40, 50, well, whatever, man, I'm
not sitting here for 12 hours watching this.
I will lay in bed and watch it on my phone for
12 hours, fine, so I can consume it. But when
I wrote down notes for the first two episodes,
and I have four notes for episode one. First
intrigue, and droids! Because B2 is, I need,
if you've seen, I think either you pointed it
out to me or, whatever. The Star Wars YouTube
channel does the blips, the Star Wars blips with
R2 and BB -8. And it's this little animated thing
where they're having adventures and it's sound
effects and it's just the droids. No, I have
not seen that. I will probably not tell you about
that because I don't know about it. Okay, well,
I will share that with you because I think you
would, it's just like, it's shorts. It's literally
like two minute videos and there's like, I don't
know, three seasons of it or whatever. It's funny
stuff. But yeah, as soon as I saw B2, I was like,
ooh, I now want to see B2, R2, and BB8 all together.
And Chopper, add Chopper in there too. All four
of them. Four droids walk into a bar. We don't
serve your kind here. Oh god. So yeah, going
into this, I didn't know what to expect. I like
that there are no laser swords anywhere in this
series at all. Well, that was one thing I didn't
like is there was one moment and it was kind
of scoop. It was like it's not perfect. I love
the show, but it's not perfect. There's one more.
I thought was kind of stupid when it was trying
to be cool. Yeah. And you know what I'm talking
about, right? When Lutheran Lutheran ship gets
caught by the Imperials and a Cantwell class
cruiser, which is a super fanboy moment. Yes.
Colin Cantwell did the original designs for all
the models for Star Wars. And then he got he
got fired because they didn't like him. But he's
got his own little Millennium Falcon. And he's
doing all this cool badass stuff. And then all
of a sudden, his ship has these giant lightsaber
wings. And I was like, that's dumb. I don't like
that at all. I loved that. Because what I loved
about that was these Imperial police that are
trying to pull him over and stop him. Even though
they don't realize who he is, they're just harassing
him. There's a lot of that in the show. Like,
because there's always the mentality of people
where, well, if I just don't break the law, if
I'm just a good citizen, then what does it matter
if, like, the people in charge are a bunch of
fascists? And what Andrew's kind of trying to
say is, even though the characters did stuff,
what they get harassed for is stuff they didn't
do. He was doing better. Like, he had the little
ant. He had the stuff that shot out the back
and wrecked the dish. He didn't need... Space
lightsabers I think he did that was like that
was a cool that would that to me felt like what
the missiles are on the Again, you're you're
You know, I'm not worthy here But don't the x
-wings have missiles on the end of them that
you that you know what I mean? Like that's what
that looked like. No, they don't and the missiles
come out of the nose cone The torpedoes come
out of the nose cone, and then the things on
the end of the wings are the guns. Oh, okay.
Well, the guns. That's fine. To me, they basically
just took the guns and turned them into laser
swords. First ship and I thought it was hilarious
and funny as I love anytime Spaceships do weird
crazy stuff to get away. I love it. That's just
hilarious to me I understand why you don't like
it But at least it wasn't somebody showing like
at least it wasn't Luke. Of course. It couldn't
be Luke showing up Obviously, it's five years
before whatever but you know what I mean? Like
at least it's not somebody with a lightsaber
showing up that we already know and coming from
me that's weird folks because I'm the person
in Star Wars that I need to know the characters
that I already know and I don't really care about
any of the blah blah blah. Well, I'm changing
my tune on that. That whole approach is interesting
to me because, and I've been thinking about it,
you are in fact younger than me, and it occurred
to me that a lot of the media you consume, you
go into it already kind of knowing who the characters
are. Yep. Where, you know, like, you see a Batman
movie, you know who Batman is. When you saw Star
Wars for the first time, Luke Skywalker and Darth
Vader, they were all cultural icons, and you
would absorb that by osmosis. Where most of the
movies I saw as a kid, and even, you know, like,
for me, I take it as a standard kind of thing
that I go into a movie or book or TV show not
knowing who the characters are. And that part
of the show, part of what makes a show good or
bad is how they... and how those characters engage
me. So it is kind of weird to like, and I see
your point, but it's strange to me because almost
everything that I watch and consume, it's like,
I don't know who these guys are, and they do
have a limited time to convince me of who they
are, but I don't know who you guys are, so I
don't care. That's just strange to me. It's strange.
It's one of those things where I think now, In
2024, the reason why I've been like this for
the past, let's say, 17, 18 years since 2000,
whatever, 2010, 2011, 2012, whatever, is because
when I grew up in the eight, like I was born
in 1980. So we're, I'm 11 years younger than
you are. Somewhere around there, whatever. In
the eighties, we had all new stuff. because we
had He -Man and Transformers. There was no He
-Man, Transformers shit before the 80s. We had
that new stuff. That new stuff is now 40 to 50
to 60 years old or whatever. And all these companies
are doing now is just regurgitating that. There's
really no new like there isn't a new revolution
of hey Let's take this character or let's create
this character for this set and Go forward and
create something new with it. It's more of we
need to keep a hold of our IP We need to keep
going and make sure that is making us money.
That's why most of the time for me I prefer things
with characters. I know versus having to get
invested and then oh crap we didn't make enough
money again when we did the okay well like the
see that's interesting because you were a very
young child in the 80s yes because i was i was
like a preteen and teenager in the 80s and oh
my god like it was just a rule you did not get
attached to like there were a ton of science
fiction shows on tv but you did not get attached
to them you never got attached because they if
they were made up by six episodes you were lucky
You know, it's like something would come on you
go. Oh, that's neat and then it was gone That's
the same that that's even more relevant today,
man, like Okay, I know it's not the best whatever
and it was just a little silly thing It was it
was a test that NBC did and I can't believe I'm
bringing this up in a Star Wars show of all Star
Wars pockets of all things NBC a number of years
ago tried to do a show called the Playboy Club
starring David Krumholtz, Bernard from the Santa
Claus movies. He was also Charlie in numbers
from 2005. Anyway, so the Playboy Club was very
short -lived. It had like, I don't know, five,
six, seven episodes, whatever it was, didn't
make enough money, and NBC pulled it. So the
companies have been doing that for ever since
the 80s to now. If it doesn't make ... I'm sure
before then, too. Well, obviously, yes. I was
more attuned to it because it was a ... Because
science fiction was the specific genre and like
I would pay attention to that But I'm sure they
did that with like like cop shows and westerns,
you know, cuz that's that's just TV It's like
I remember NBC was a little weird in the early
to mid 80s because Brandon Tartakov would fight
for shows Yeah, and that's how we got Cheers
and that's how we got a couple other shows that
like would have normally been canceled right
away Yeah, but Brandon Tartakov fought for them.
Yep. Oh Yeah, absolutely and it's just one of
those things where in today's market of streaming
and and all that and everything else it's like
you better watch this and have no expectations
of it because if you try to get any expectations
of it you're going to be sorely let down if it
doesn't continue kind of thing but and or again
first first episode I wrote down what is it what
is he exactly after etc etc we obviously find
out it's this box and then really he's looking
for scars guards character uh what's his oh god
i've got it right here luthen rail luthen rail
but it's the opposite like he's he's looking
to sell the box get out and luthen rail's looking
to uh like yeah not hire him but i mean technically
hire him but acquire him for the heist yeah del
donnie heist yeah And then the last note I have
for the first episode, I will say that this is
the first show or film in a long time that does
the time transitions correctly to where it's
not jarring. I hate time jumps. I don't care
if it's a comic book, I don't care if it's a
cartoon, I don't care if it's a movie, a TV show.
If you are in the present and you jump back to
the past or you go to the future, and you don't
have a proper way to convey that, it is jarring
to me and the back and forth. But I will say,
the back and forth on this, how they did it with
the time wipes or how they did it with the, almost
like the commercial break type stuff, I found
that very, very cool. And again, we're seeing
Cassian's beginning here, and that's really interesting.
Yes, he was an Ewok. I remember the first time
I saw it, I was like, oh, he's an E - I mean
they he comes from a very culturally primitive
planet. Yeah society on the planet I Remember
like I had an easier time this time because I
was a little you know the first time around It's
the first time around and I'm watching it. I
was a little confused by what all happened there
Not the actual events, but like there's all the
stuff about it being wiped out and horrible like
I guess there was a mine and the mine had an
accident and Then the Republic troopers came
and wipe wiped out his village after he got rescued.
Yeah It's a little like I got those two things
kind of mixed up in my head, which was confusing.
It happens, because you're watching the thing,
and you're not. The first time, especially, I'm
not taking notes. I'm not preparing to talk about
it to anybody. It's just, you know. Yeah, you're
just watching it to enjoy it. And I will say,
one knock on the show. Like I said, it's not
perfect. I was slightly annoyed. And I get that.
You can make the argument, oh, well, in real
life, things happen, and things don't always
work out, and it's not always neat and tidy.
That's fair. But the whole thing about a sister,
Like yeah, really important in that first episode
and then now now his adopted mother does say
let it go Yeah, which is which is I guess fair
but like, you know that that it is the TV show
Like, you know, like you can't really let it
go that that feels weird and unresolved Yeah,
it did feel weird and unresolved and yeah I love
his mom. I love Cassian's mom. She's great. Yes,
Marva is amazing. Oh I understand why they killed
her but damn I wish they hadn't killed her And
the only reason why I understand why they did
it is because number one They're evil and number
two is so we could have the recording of her
recording and you and you know that when Like
I guess they fought for this and they lost when
she's saying fight the Empire. Uh -huh That was
not the original line of dialogue. Oh boy, what
was the original line? It was another word that
begins with the letter F. Fuck the Empire, wow.
Fuck the Empire. Yeah, they wanted that in there
and they couldn't get it. Oh, I think - Have
you any feelings about that? That's so her. That's
so perfect. That would be so cool. But like it
would be weird. It would be weird in the sense
that she's trying to basically rally the troops
and have everybody go fight. And it's weird.
Like it's weird to have the word fuck in Star
Wars. Well, true. Yes. I mean, unless it's, you
know, how it should have ended or something.
But yeah, it just yeah, it's really, really like
I love. Did you catch there's a there's a big
riot. There's a big fight. Brasso has the brick
that has her ashes in it. Yeah. And he uses it
to clobber an Imperial guy, and I'm like, oh,
she'd be happy. Yeah, she'd be so happy. She'd
be so happy. That's one way to spread her ashes
right there, just right in the face. Whomp! Whomp.
Oh, man. Now, this was a lot of fun to show.
I'm really glad you liked it. Oh, yeah. Like
I said, I don't remember. I only remember the
ending to Rogue One. I don't remember anything.
And I'm glad we're gonna eventually go through
and do Rogue One as we're doing this whole 12
months of Star Wars series so I can rediscover
it and figure out whether I actually like it
or not. But I didn't give two crap about Cassian's
character back then. And now, because I have
all this from this series, it's like, oh, I now
need to see where it goes from here with him
and how... his arc eventually obviously ends.
What else about season one of Andor? Would you
like to talk about, sir? I mean, there's there's
I mean, it's a whole show, so there's a lot to
it. The I just I love the way it's all put together.
I love my favorite thing are the arcs because
there's like three arcs. And I've said this before,
I think off air and maybe on air or on the show
where like if you were paying attention, the
first arc is like corporate security. Yep. And
then it's Imperial soldiers. And then after the
Aldani raids, suddenly there are stormtroopers
everywhere. You don't see a stormtrooper until
episode, I think, seven. You see a TIE fighter
during the Aldani arc because they're flying
around. And this is part of Lutheran's plan,
is to provoke the empire into reacting so that
people will be more inclined to join the rebellion.
It's sort of sold as the dawn of the rebellion,
the beginning of the rebellion, but it's the
beginning of the rebellion and the empire we
know. Yes. Because the empire at the beginning
of the show, Cassian says, they're kind of fat
and arrogant and content. And you can get away
with a lot because they're not really paying
attention. They're not quite as oppressive. By
the end of the series, they're paying, by the
end of the season, they're paying attention.
They're paying attention. And yes, it is episode
seven because he... returns to Ferex to settle
old debts, and he learns that people blame him
for the Imperial security crackdown and the presence
of stormtroopers on Ferex remains... I think
it's earlier in the episode there's a shot at
a spaceport on Coruscant. Yes. And suddenly there
are stormtroopers there. Yep. I wasn't even sure
if we were gonna see Coruscant. I was like, ooh,
Coruscant, yay! Yeah, and I love, like... You
know, it's such an interesting contrast because
we got Coruscant in Mandalorian season 3 And
and those were like more the Ralph McQuarrie
and there is there's a whole scene that takes
place From a Ralph McQuarrie painting the during
the episode that I hate With Pershing and the
mean lady who betrays him and it's like there's
like the tip of the tallest mountain It's like
the only piece of of course on its natural landscape.
That's that's left exposed. There's a park built
around it. Yeah And that's a Macquarie painting.
There's this book of largely unused Macquarie
paintings that flesh out the Star Wars galaxy.
And the part of me is like, OK, that's neat.
I'm a fanboy. I know where that comes from. But
it looked like they filmed it. They've got this
weird airplane hanger with TV screens or whatever.
And it worked for the first couple of seasons
in Mandalorian. It looked fake. It looked, but
all the scenes, all the locations in Andor, even
though they don't quite look like something out
of Macquarie's sketchbook, they look real. I
think they were real locations and they look
interesting. And I loved Coruscant in this show.
I loved, like the one guy gets the job at the
Bureau of Standards, and it's just a million
cute, like I loved stuff like that. I loved the
apartment buildings. I loved... That design,
I love the station, the transit station on court.
I loved all that real world, kind of vaguely
European, weird, weird to American eyes architecture.
I loved it, I adored it. It just looked cool,
it looked weird, it looked alien. Not alien,
but different. I don't want to be lazy and I
have a Star Wars encyclopedia right next to me,
folks. Remind me, when did Mon Mothma first debut?
Was it Empire or Jedi? She shows up in Jedi.
She literally kind of shows up out of nowhere
in Jedi. Yeah, and that's fine. We'll get to
that. The reason why I'm asking is because, all
as I ever remembered of her character before
watching the cartoons and watching this, was
many buffons died for this information. I am
so happy that she is a character that is not
just relegated to that one -liner now. Like I
love seeing all like I want the Mon Mothma story
and we're kind of getting it between what happens
in the in the animated stuff and what's happening
here I am all for her story and how she is interacting
with everybody Like that is awesome. I love her
story in the show, but it also watching it a
second time I started getting angry and I got
angry because of Ahsoka and Mandalorian season
3 because like I mean she literally like Kind
of sells her daughter to a gangster. Yeah horrible
decision try to keep her head above water to
keep the rebellion going and Like the new they
just treat the new Republic like it's garbage
It tortures people and they're idiots and they
eventually get wiped out anyway in force awakens
Yeah, so it really feels like she did that for
nothing Yeah, that's that's depressing and angry.
It just it I Like it's weird. It's like and or
and and road one are like these little gems in
the poop that is Disney Star Wars. And you see
what could have been, you see what happens when
someone who cares about the subject matter and
wants to write a good story and be compelling
and not just go, look, TIE Fighters, give me
money. Look, it's an X -Wing, give me money.
Look, look, the stupid... The stupid New Republic's
stupid because they're stupid and they have to
be an antagonist for the heroes. That's how you
write fiction. I wonder if Genevieve O 'Reilly,
the actress who plays Maumauk, literally said
to someone when they were filming Ahsoka, can
I just have a scene in this trial sequence where
I at least pretend not to be a moron? or ask
a somewhat pertinent question, or I know something's
going on, please? Yeah. Because I can't imagine
playing that same character in those two shows.
Yeah. That would just be weird, because it's
like, OK, here I'm smart, but I'm making all
these really tough decisions, and here I want
to counsel idiots. OK. And going back to our
Soka covers that we did last year, Don't need
a I don't need a security pass. I don't need
this. I'm see 3po She finishes his name. I'm
like, okay, like the fanboy and he was like,
oh, that's so great But now in and or it's like
again seeing her story seeing How she is with
everybody? Yeah, just more more of Mon Mothma,
please. Yes, please Yeah, let's talk about since
you're talking about writing and all that. Let's
talk about Tony Gilroy He is the creator. He's
Well, it says he's the writer main writer or
whatever on on and or but he also has a creative
credit on it, but this guy Writing credits. Oh
man 1992 is the cutting edge. Okay, I know everyone's
gonna be like oh the cutting edge. What are you
talking? Like this skating movie people know
Dolores Claiborne Extreme measures. He was a
writer on that the devil's advocate You've got
Reeves and Pacino and he wrote that I love that
movie He did the adapt he did the adaptation
of Armageddon proof of life from 2000 The born
tree he's the writer on the born trilogy. Have
you ever seen the you haven't no, but I know
people really like it I know it's supposed to
be pretty good. Yeah, he did the first three
movies. He did not do The fourth one that was
the kind of he did identity supremacy and ultimatum
from 2002 04 and 07 and I love those three movies
because it's freaking goodwill hunting as this
weird spy person type thing. Michael Clayton,
Duplicity, State of Play, Born Legacy. He did
write Born Legacy. That's the fourth one. And
then Rogue One and Andor. And it makes sense
because Andor is a political thriller. It was
the rare instance where they got the right guy
for the job. Yeah, absolutely. And it's a political
thriller. that doesn't beat you over the head
with an orange mallet? Well, it doesn't ha...
I mean, like, the beauty of Star Wars is, like,
it's pretty obvious who the bad guys are. Like,
it's... Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know, the thing
that I really love the most about Andor is, um...
And I always try to find a way to say this kind
of very carefully, because I don't want to be
insulting. Okay. But, like, I... The thing that's
great about Star Wars, particularly the original
movies, is that they spoke to the children of
all of us. I don't want to say they're four children,
because that sounds very diminishing. But I think
they spark that wonder, that magic, that excitement
that you have as a kid. And I think that's the
beauty of them. They're very simple, morality
tales. Being four children isn't a bad thing.
And I think that's the beauty. And I think, weirdly,
that's the biggest flaw of the Phantom Menace.
is that because he was trying to do like, because
he was doing all this political stuff, like not
political thrillers, but like trade routes and
Senate procedurals. So he was trying to balance
it out by being extra childish because Jar Jar
steps in poop, he gets farted on. It was just,
it was a weird mishmash. And I think, you know,
then Attack of the Clones just was weird and
didn't work. And I think Revenge of the Sith,
I think he was trying to aim for a 13 year old
audience, which is why it probably works better.
Yeah, because because he was he he he got the
the the the tone fit the audience Yeah, and or
is written for grownups And again, it's not a
knock on Star Wars But I think that's the big
thing is it's it's written for an adult and I
love that about it. I am NOT I Love the moments
in Mandalorian where I feel like I'm seven years
old again. Yep, but I'm not And I love that this
show talks to me like I'm a 52 year old, but
it's still in my Star Wars galaxy Yeah, that's
I love that. I love that someone was able to
pull that off. Yeah, absolutely and Don't know
what because they I mean as far as I know they're
their friends I don't know if there was a past
with them But you have this whole thing with
Bix and her boyfriend or whatever Tim at the
time and yeah and and all that and Tim's jealous
and he's following Cassian and he's doing this
need and eventually Tim, you know doesn't end
and Yeah, yeah, you get killed by the security
guys. Yeah. Well, I think I think Cassian I think
Cassian kind of It's pretty implied that Cassian
gets around. Oh yeah. And that Vix was an early
conquest. There's a line about her dad, I think.
Oh God, yeah. Early on, or not early on, like
when he visits her before she gets captured.
There's a line about her dad being mad that he
climbed over the fence and... Yeah. Yeah. But
I love her character. I just, man, need more
of her character. That is, I just... I cannot,
I'm so excited for this whenever the second season
happens. And how, I don't know if we wanna skip
all the way to pass the credits at this point
in the podcast, but. Did you have caught that
if I hadn't said anything? Probably not, because
as soon as the credits start rolling on Disney
Plus shows most of the time, I don't stick around.
I figure, oh, it's all these whatever. And look,
credits are great. Everybody needs to have credit.
Everybody who worked on something, I give credit
to everybody. but half the time I'm like, okay,
what's the next episode I need to start watching
now? I think most people are, I think that's
one of the genius things about Mandalorian was
that it had the cool concept art. Yes. You kind
of enjoyed looking at the concept art and like
staying through the credits. Yep. Yeah. I don't
even remember. Like, like it's weird because
when something really like gets to me, you know,
when I, when I, when something, when I enjoy
something a lot, I will kind of go on this weird,
like I don't want to let it go. And I'll just
kind of like, so the first time I watched it,
I just let the credits roll because I wasn't
ready to go yet. And then and then the thing
popped up this time around. Ironically, I forgot
about that scene. So I didn't I didn't see it.
And then like, like later that day, I was like,
oh, damn, I got to make sure to tell Mike because
I got to make sure Mike catches it. Yeah, it's
such a great it's because the whole thing is
doing so. So to set it up, there's the third
arc is Cassian gets arrested on a totally bullshit
charge. sent to this prison and it's a prison
factory and they're making this doodad and at
the time oh my god like the the internet was
like what are they making they had all these
theories they had all the speculation everybody
was like really fascinated with what they were
making and i was kind of like i didn't really
care i was like it's a thing they're making it
like because because the thing isn't important
yeah silly me like the important thing is that
he's in a bad situation and they gotta like they
gotta make a quota and down with the team. And
then there's this great moment because freaking
Andy Serkis as Keno Loy, there's this moment,
which is just like, I mean, like if he doesn't
submit that for the Emmys. Yeah, I know. Right.
Because they're working in this prison. And his
whole thing is he's the floor manager. Andy Serkis
is the floor manager and he's just counting down
his days. He's got like another two years or
something. His time's getting shorter. He just
wants to do his time, make his quotas, get out
of there. they find out that nobody like they
find out that they're that when people get out
they're just being moved around and the way they
find that out is a guy got moved around to floor
two and everybody rioted and they murdered every
single one of them to keep the secret so they
now know that nobody will ever leave and the
look on his face because his whole world has
been about doing his time and leaving and Just
just you're watching a man's entire reality crumble
the horror of the reality of what he's dealing
with and having lost everything that he's clinging
to it is like and then and then the one thing
another thing like I I sort of hate about the
show I sort of love about the show is this show
takes cheap fucking shots there's there's the
during the during the the robbery there's a bunch
of guys who get killed cheaply and the one the
one guy the one little idealist guy with his
journal It's like crushed by a bike a stack of
credits when it falls on them. I'm like, that's
a cheap fucking shot, man They were already out
of the hangar. Yeah, and then and then during
the big escape sequence, you know They have to
jump out into this ocean and keynote always like
I can't swim like you The first time I screamed
at my TV. I was so pissed off Yeah, it's so cheap
My my head can't it my head Kenneth or That he
jumped anyway, and then that one of the other
prisoners helped them get to shore This is my
head cannon, which is mine. Yeah, and fun fact
fun fact that the guy that that that uh And or
escaped with mm -hmm as a minor minor part. I
didn't even know this the first time I watched
it He's in rogue one. He's a rebellion in rogue
one. So that character comes back kind of I mean
like you kind of see him in my group scenes But
like he does join the rebellion Very cool. Very
cool. That is awesome. That is so cool. Yeah,
no and or season one. I don't know if we got
railed us this whole thing leads Ultimately to
a post -credit scene you find out what those
do hickeys are. Uh -huh. Do you want it? No,
you good. Okay. Well the it cuts to these robots
are these little droids are installing the doohickey
They're like star shape. They're like asterisk
shaped doohickeys. They're part of the super
web They're part of the super laser of the Death
Star Yeah, and they're they're they're building
the dead because and it you know in Rogue one
the whole thing is about getting the plans for
the Death Star and ultimately Andor dies because
he gets killed by a blast from the Death Star.
So ironically He actually helped make the thing
that kills him in the end. Oh God, I hate when
that happens. This show is like ridiculous with
the depth and the... So if this is BBY5, BBY,
BBY5, whatever the hell. BBY5, yeah. How are
they gonna do a season two like... It ends right
before Rogue One is what they're saying. Okay.
Like some of the stuff is supposed to be Yavin.
Okay. Alright, I okay. I'm okay. I'm good with
that then yeah So then basically I have to move
all the Star Wars stuff around if season two
happens before Road one No, I'm not doing that
not doing that folks. I have I have very you
know weirdly I have mixed feelings about season
two because I think season one was so great and
I like yeah like my other thing my other biggest
complaint about season one is I Felt like I would
have preferred it if it had been like a fire
and forget And everything got wrapped up in the
end because I feel like the the final episode
kind of pulls its punches To get everybody out
and in place for this next season, you know,
right? It's like the only people who really die
are like super minor characters like like Deidre
should have been like murdered by the crowd Yeah,
like like all these characters kind of get like
pulled out and like just Mean, I love the scene
between casting and be but like it's just like
everybody kind of gets moved around so they can
be there for the sequel yeah, and I'm like and
at the time I was annoyed cuz I felt like it
was a little cheap and Honestly, I almost kind
of a hate that rogue one and everyone that Andor
has gotten more hype as it goes along because
I think as I said to you I Think it will attract
more attention from the higher -ups. That's all
I'm gonna say Yeah, they'll want to be more involved
where I think before it was like nobody really
like like you are pretty representative Nobody
really cared about this character. I did like
I loved rug one So like when they said they were
doing a casting and or a spin -off show. I was
like, yeah I was the guy like nobody cares about
this show. Nobody's excited. I'm like I am I'm
super excited. I really want this show and I
loved it But now that like people are paying
attention It's kind of like, uh, are they going
to start sending notes? Are we going to have
to do things? Is it going to be messed with like,
yeah, please be good. Yeah, please be good. I
want to know what happens to Lutheran. I like
because the one thing we have to talk about before
we wrap this up, there's there's a there's an
ISP officer named Lonnie, which is and he's actually
an undercover agent who's who's being Handled
by Luthen and he wants out. There's a great scene
where he kind of contacts Luther and says here's
all this information I'm giving to you as like
a present because I want out and Luthen says
I can't let you go. It's like well, you know,
I've got a kid I've got all the stuff I can lose
and he makes it he says the line What's your
sacrifice? Mm -hmm and Luthen gives this amazing
speech, which is just I love it You know, like
he basically says I've sacred he says he eventually
says everything But he makes it very clear what
everything means. He means he's giving up who
he is as a person. And again, so angry at the
way they dropped the ball. He's giving up everything,
decency, kindness, kinship. He's using the tools
of his enemy to create a sunrise he'll never
see. He's literally sacrificing himself to make
a better world. And we know that it doesn't happen
because the better world is in the Republic,
which is garbage. I mean, as far as I'm concerned,
headcanon, Star Wars doesn't go past Mandalorian
Season 2. But my point is, I don't know my point,
but I want to know what happens to this character.
Because you know he dies in Season 2. He's got
to die in Season 2. Yeah. Yeah, you want to know,
because you were invested at the start with Rogue
One, and I'm invested now with the beginning,
like starting here and then getting to Rogue
One. Like, oh, I finally understand. It took
this for me to understand why people liked him
in Rogue One even though I didn't give to Cresswell.
I fell in love with him. The first thing he does
is murder a guy. Maybe I'm a monster. The whole
thing is he's meeting with an informant. The
informant's been injured before. I don't know
if you remember this very well, so I'll just
lay it out. The informant's been injured. Like
some stormtroopers kind of noticed them and they're
in an alleyway. They're stuck They got to climb
over this thing to get out and the guys like
oh, I can't climb my arms bad and Cassian like
makes a split -second decision. Okay, I can't
let you fall on their hands so much for you Yeah,
and I'm like, okay. I love I'm in I mean, I'm
in with this movie. I'm in with this character.
I love him because I mean, it's what I what I
was about to say a minute ago anyway is is Star
Wars presents the rebellion from the top up From
the the Jedi Prince from the princess. Yeah,
very antiseptic very the hero pilots I mean Han
Han has always been my favorite character because
Han is the closest to an everyman there is right
I mean like I can't I can't be the chosen one,
but I can drive a truck with my dog So I've always
loved Han No, but the whole thing is a fairy
tale. The whole thing is very kind of clean But
an actual rebellion would have dirt and grime
at the base, you know And I love that. I love
that Rogue One was as high -minded as the Rebellion
was. Any war, any conflict is going to have some
nasty shit when you dig down far enough. And
Rogue One was showing that, like, yeah. I mean,
even then, it was a lot more antiseptic than
I think Andor was. Andor may not have shown it
as much, but Andor kind of implied that, like,
because Luthen is playing games with everybody,
Luthen is sacrificing people. It's like a game
of chess for him, and he knows it, and it eats
him alive that he has to do this. But he has
to do it because taking down the Empire is the
more important priority. And I love that. I love
that there's just like, because again, the initial,
one of the initial things about Star Wars was
the rust, the dense. This is kind of the rust
and the dense in the narrative. Like, it's not
all hero pilots and medal ceremonies and triumphant
music and shiny droids. blood and sacrifice and
doing some dirty crap. Because in the end, the
evil puffy monster man you're trying to take
down is worse. That was the other that was the
other weirdest thing about watching and or was
you're watching this complex political thriller
drama, very, very kind of grounded, very kind
of realistic. And at one point, they mentioned
the emperor. And I'm just, you know, I'm just
thinking of Ian Mcdiamond is this puffy monster
man at the center of this like deep Very kind
of realistic thriller thing and it all revolves
around this goofy evil puffy sorcerer monster
So it makes me laugh. So you want to know something
really funny? Sure. I thought they were trying
to turn Stella into Ian No grabs that friggin
wig. I was like, wait a minute. Are they trying
to? No, they wouldn't do that. Come on now like
I was like the whole wig thing just wigged me
out I guess it was really really I understand
why he did it because he had to disguise himself
But look at look at his look at Luther's face
in this show and he's not like a close resemblance
to Ian at all but just the way that he's portrayed
the way and then you bring the wig in and I'm
just like What is this episode five? What is
this the Empire Strikes Back where you had a
really weird looking young Emperor? I don't know.
It just it drew my head. Oh that could be Palpatine
Interesting obviously, that's not where it goes
thankfully and all that and all that but But
yeah, no, I yeah, this was really really fun
buddy of mine DJ Valentine He he's done a lot
of stuff with us in the past He said when I posted
the picture of the main title on when I was watching
this He said the last good Star Wars anything
left He's not wrong yeah My buddy Brad who listens
all the time. He says enjoyed it Well, I've enjoyed
all the live -action stuff so far probably most
excited for season two more than the other series
So yeah, I'm excited to see where these characters
go it's gonna be interesting and fun and really
really cool and we are gonna have to do the continuity
backwards because season two isn't coming out
and i'm not delaying this whole 12 months of
star wars just to fit season two in between season
one and we'll do it we'll do it like it's still
okay yeah yeah pretty much yeah uh one like one
thing again like there's a lot of because i'm
as much as i love star wars i'm not like I'm
not the guy to do the YouTube video of like this
suit of armor was mentioned in this comic book
from But there's a lot of that in the show like
there were a couple things I caught I caught
like a Gungan shield But they mentioned that
that Cassian I guess he served in the Empire
because he served at the Battle of Mimim Okay,
which is which is a which is a fun lore drop
number one when we do solo we will see Mimim
again Okay, and number two Where that comes from
is the original Star Wars sequel, Splinter of
the Mind's Eye. So that little name drop is kind
of a neat little, and I think I got to go back.
I haven't rewatched. I can't remember the name
of the planet that Bill Burr's character was
on, or his like whole troop got wiped out. But
that may have been them too. Remember there's
a scene where he's like in the, they're undercover
in the Imperial Cafe and he meets his former
commanding officer who like sold his guys out
and they all got killed and Burr shoots him.
I don't remember that. Oh, it's like a real tense
scene because because burr remembers this this
guy I like sold them out Okay remembers that
and he like he's trying not to shoot him throughout
the entire sequence And the guy is just like
please shoot me I'm an arrogant prick and finally
he does they have to fight their way out and
I can't remember that was Mimim as well because
like this because they mentioned in and or that
like The Imperials like actually were shelling
each other or shooting each other And it's pretty
chaotic and solo like you actually see stuff
on the ground in solo. Although there are like
like native adversaries in solo that's where
Han meets Chewie which is funny because Han and
Chewie aren't in Splinter of the Mind's Eye and
you will have heard all of this folks at the
end of last year because I have now moved the
schedule to have solo come before this episode
It's weird that the whole rebellion only really
took shape in five years. That's a little weird.
Weird to me. Yeah, rebellions usually take about
a decade or so. I mean, he's been working on
it. Like, like, Lutheran says he's been working
on it for 16 years. Yeah, it's pretty clear that
Saw Gerrera and some of the other guys have been
doing stuff. Right. Yeah. But I guess the Alliance.
Yeah. Yeah. The main core, the the head. I want
to say heads of state, but the heads of the Alliance.
Yeah, it's and like, I get kind of tingly where
I'm like, oh, he's going to ask him. Like I'm
thinking, oh, the rebellion's already kind of
there. I know it's not, but my thought was when,
when Lutheran was like, I have a greater cause
for you. I have this, I have that. What if, what
if I told you, you can have all your dreams in
one fell swoop. You can have the 20 million credits
and everything else all at once. And my thought
was, okay, he's going to ask him to join. The
rebellion and that but that's not how it plays
out and that's fine It is what it is and I can't
wait to see the the rest of the whatevers But
that was my thought was the reason why Lutheran
was looking for him was so he could not just
the heist He could ask him to be a better person
and you know join them where they cause because
even though Cassian is and I wrote this down
And I wrote this down just because it's a it's
a Star Wars staple In episode two, I think after
we first meet Bix, Andor does something. And
I wrote down, Andor, you scoundrel. Oh, man.
I don't know. Like I said, I binge watched the
12 episodes in like 12 hours. So it's kind of
blurring right now. But I remember writing that
we already said, in episode one of the series,
he does, he kills the two, whatever. Yeah, the
two security guards are harassing him and rob
him. Yeah, pretty much. But there was something
in episode two where I'm just like, oh, okay,
I get it. He's essentially sort of, kind of,
a little bit, tiny bit like an older version
of the kid. Mr. Jedi. Oh, God, not. Oh, Ezra.
God, how the fuck did I blank? Could it be? Was
was was he harassed for money in the second episode?
I don't think the guy who that's a funny scene.
Yeah. So when he goes into the club, is it when
he goes into the is it's when he's walking the
streets of Pharex and he runs into a guy he knows
who's like, hey, you owe me money. And, you know,
and then there's a big alien who's like working
with him. And he's like, what are you doing here?
And he's like, yeah. He talks the alien out of
like being the muscle for the other guy cuz that's
the guy that sells him out down the end. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, but it was it was something like
it was essentially something like Han shooting
first It was one of those types. Hence why I
said what I said why I wrote down what I wrote
down I was like, oh Okay, that's what and it
was the only only the second episode. Okay. That's
exactly where this is going Yeah, but no very
very enjoyable It's It's one of those shows that
I think everyone should watch. Just to experience
it, not necessarily for the whole continuity
aspect of anything, but just to... If you're
looking for a fresh piece of the Star Wars universe
that doesn't have laser swords, this is it. Okay,
technically the ship had laser swords, but that
was one moment out of 12 episodes. I mean, if
you're looking for kind of a cool political thriller
that has... Really just a touch of science fiction
to it. There's not a lot of sci -fi to it. I
mean, it's like they use spaceships to get around.
Yeah, it is kind of a The beauty of the end or
is it could be set during World War two, you
know It could be set anywhere any time almost,
you know Or and it's it's it's it's a really
good cool thriller. It's a character piece These
characters are interesting. They're engaging.
I Mean, you know, it's it's God For 2023 audiences
for modern millennial audiences guide diversity.
I don't know what more you I I don't know what
more you want then like It's both got all the
ticks off all the boxes for the Millennials,
but it's also a good story with compelling characters
and stuff happens that is important and things
Things don't just happen randomly thing You know,
there's two different types of writing. I can't
remember what they're called, but there's one
that's like, thing happens, and then another
thing happens directly because of the thing happening.
And then there's the other kind of writing, which
is thing happens, thing happens, thing happens,
thing happens. And this one is really well written.
It's got everything. I think it's more cause
and effect. It's a little slow at the beginning,
but other than that, it's so good. I promised
myself I wasn't gonna do that, but it is so good.
Especially because we've been starved so long.
Yeah, that rise left a bad taste in everybody's
mouth, didn't it? We'll get to that, folks. Oh,
boy, those are going to be fun episodes in all
kinds of horrible ways. Oh, God, the sequel trilogy.
So, since we've been doing all this Star Wars
stuff, I've been seeing a lot of George Lucas
shorts, whether it's him or whether it's people
using AI to recreate. I was like, please don't
use AI with George Lucas, but I've seen several
things where he has said, there are six movies.
That's it. He's talking about, yes, I sold my
stuff. Yes, they're doing things with the stuff
that I created, but for me, there are six movies.
I had plans for this or that and whatever else,
but what they produced wasn't my... Whatever.
It is what it is. One of the beauties of the
situation, one of the few good things about the
situation, is that it's very easy to draw a line.
There's the before Disney stuff and the after
Disney stuff. It's very easy for me to go, okay,
see you, Disney stuff. Like I will salvage I
will salvage a couple of like little gems And
or rogue one Mandalorian one and two. Yep, and
then the rest of them just you know flush that
I'm fine with that. Like I got no problems. Yeah,
and then you said before Disney and I'm like
before Disney after Disney so BD and AD. Oh great
Well, to be 100 % fair, there's a lot of rose
-colored glasses looking backwards. Like, I've
read a lot of this. I've read some stuff. Let
me put it this way. As bad as the sequel trilogy
is, there was crap in Star Wars before then.
There was garbage before. There was terrible
crap in Star Wars before. Disney got his hands
on it. All right, it was not a perfect time In
fact, you know the weirdest thing about this
whole sequel trilogy is the way that like everybody
is being much much kinder Prequel trilogy. Yeah
kinder gentler Star Wars And then I think to
some extent I think that's fair to re -examine
the prequel trilogy, but I'm just saying like
It was not all sunshine and roses and then Disney
came along and like stop. Oh, yeah, there was
There was poop. There was plenty of poop to shovel
back in the day. Yep. Especially in that trash
compactor. All right, folks, we are going to
rate this zero to five with half points. What
are you going to give season one of Andor, sir?
Five. I'm surprisingly right. I thought I was
going to take a couple of points off or a half
point off, but no, I'm I'm right there with you.
Fives all around. It was really, really good.
Again, like I mentioned at the beginning of this.
mystery, intrigue, and droids. Yeah, B2 is awesome.
B2 is amazing. The beauty of it is you start
to dig into the secondary characters and they're
all really interesting. Like his buddy, Barrasso,
he's a cool character. He doesn't get a lot of
screen time, but you just get the sense that
he's interesting, he's got a life. This show
is so well done. One thing I will say before
I... do the Ed Brig thing is that I didn't say
earlier. I love how Cassian is trying to craft
the story. Like, no, even though this happened,
that's not the way you're going to tell it how
it happened. Like, that reminds me of 25 years
ago. 1998's Great Expectations with the adaptation
with Ethan Hawke and Gwyneth Paltrow. Ethan Hawke
in a narration opens the film. I'm not going
to tell you how the story happened. I'm going
to tell you how I remember it happening. Like,
I love that Cassine is basically feeding everybody
these stories on how, you know what I mean? That's
just so cool to me. It's a great moment. So fun.
All right. One thing I do want to say while we're
summing up is that one of the biggest, stupidest
complaints I saw about the show, there are fucking
aliens in Andor. There are plenty of them Like
everyone's like There are and even if there weren't
Hey, they really weren't that many in the original
like you take out the Cantina scene in Jabba's
palace Yeah, that's and they really weren't that
many there was like one scene in I mean people
always get busy like well, Chewbacca is an alien.
Yeah. Okay, Chewbacca is an alien You know, but
Bimo's a droid like you've got that just There
are aliens in the show, they don't have a big
cantina sequence show stopper. Yeah, but they
don't need it because the show is not 1977, 1980,
or 1983. It's not about that. It's about, like
you've said in this episode, it's a political
thriller with Star Wars on the edge of it kind
of thing. It's a Star Wars story that has The
more blaster effects than lightsaber like Like
we've already said it's about the common guys
on the ground not exactly. Yeah, this is the
princesses fighting though There's their yeah
sword fights. Yeah, exactly All right, you're
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