Jurassic Park Review

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Mike. Joining me once again, almost sort of as

always, is David Draper. Hello, sir. How are

you? Hello, sir. How are you? I mean, I know

we had this conversation, but I mean, I feel

obligated. I mean, yeah, we have the conversation

off air, but then you have to let the listeners

know in the middle. You got to make the listeners

pretend like this is an actual normal flow of

conversation and that we're actually really friends

and we know each other, but we just. It's like

that old, like, you turn around and go, oh, why,

hello there. I didn't see you come in with your

camera equipment and your lights. I don't remember

what they used to do in the old times. Uh -huh.

Yeah, absolutely. And and people that listen

to episode 66 or slash order 66 of this podcast

back in November We'll have heard Dave and I

talk about Star Wars Episode 3 the revenge of

the Sith and I think we told I think I told that

story then and I'll tell it again here because

You haven't been on Well into episode well, whatever

whatever anyway, Dave and I yes, we are actually

friends Yes, we have talked to each other over

the last decade or so or more We actually almost

got to meet each other like two different times.

Never happened, but one of these days. One of

these days. I felt bad about the second one.

It's okay. The first one was there was other

people involved and there was an agenda. I don't

think I knew you were there. You just assumed

that I knew the layout of that town and then

it's like, I don't know. I was just doing what

I was told. It's okay. That's how it goes in

our relationships. Do what I'm told. So Dave

what the heck are we talking about today? Well,

you know Mike you had you've been talking about

you were gonna do another show about the 30th

anniversary of Robin Hood men in tights. It's

the 30th anniversary and I thought well, you

know, it's also the 30th anniversary of another

movie that came out in 1993 That was based on

a book and it was adapted by a very well -known

Hollywood legend, and it actually went on to

have several sequels, and it's about the genetic

recreation of dinosaurs. And of course, I am

talking about Connoisseur by Roger Corman, the

classic film based on the book, the 1984 book,

which I actually own. I don't have it in front

of me, I can't remember who wrote it, but it's

a riveting tale about a madman, or in the movie,

Louise Fletcher. who re -engineers the... recreates

the dinosaurs through genetic engineering and

chaos ensues. This is a real book, and I mean,

it's a real movie. People know about the movie.

It's a bizarre movie, but it is, in fact, a real

book that came out in 1984, long before Jurassic

Park. I actually own it. Of course, I own it.

I picked it up at a grocery store probably in

1984. Like, back then, you could get, like, books

off a spinner rack. I was just killing time when

my mom did the shopping and it was like, ooh,

dinosaur related. And it's this trashy little

book about this chaos in the small, in the book,

it's set in England and in the movies set in

America. And it is like, you almost would think

it's not the same story, but it kind of is. I

mean, they really changed a lot about it. But,

you know, of course we're talking about Jurassic

Park, which is also. 30 years old. It's kind

of interesting that Connerster came out right

around the same time as Jurassic Park. It's weird.

It's one of those crazy Hollywood coincidences,

you think? You know, like how The Asylum always

gets movies out right around with the same kind

of theme as like, you know, big Hollywood blockbusters.

Yep. It's crazy. Yeah, it's kind of like a Batman

movie coming out the same time as an Iron Man

movie 15 years ago. I never really realized that.

Yep. Batman came out the same year as Iron Man?

Okay, well. Batman Begins? No, Batman Begins

was 2005. 2008 was Iron Man and The Dark Knight.

Iron Man was May 2nd and The Dark Knight was

in July, I believe. I wonder if that's a little

more coincidency. Well, that's what I'm saying.

I suppose it's like the island doing like Transmorphatrons

the same year a Transformers movie comes out.

I mean, you know. Yes, but Jurassic Park is also

30 years old as we seem to be celebrating things

30 years old At the end of 2023 here inside Syria

2009 Well, 1993 was the last year they had any

good movies So, you know, come on now then it

officially became the 90s and it all went to

hell All right slightly off -topic what is your

least favorite movie from the 90s? I honestly

couldn't tell you because I don't like the only

90s movies 90s was kind of a weird dark time

for me where I didn't really go to see oh you

know what it was it was the horse whisperer I

have a story about that and in second place is

waiting to have tail I got dragged to a couple

of movies I did not want to go see in the 90s

Yes, Jurassic Park I was He plays the nice guy

the good husband who basically gets totally dissed

because he's not Robert Redford Did you ever

read the book No There was there was no Equal.

Oh wow 1998. Good. Yeah, yeah, 1998. Yep, 25

years ago or 20 no 30. I whatever Scarlett Johansson

was the girl. Yes. She was yes crap. Yep It was

Sam Neal Yeah, we're gonna get it all that we're

gonna get into the cast and everything else but

Jurassic Park I have to tell you I was 13 years

old at this time fast forward June 9th 1993 I

was just or June 11th technically was the wider

release but whatever June of 93 I Was ripped

from my home in Massachusetts and transported

to Kentucky And it was a whole other world. I

was not into dinosaurs anymore. I was 13 years

old and I was just didn't care about a damn thing

at the time so Christmas of 92 I got a Super

Nintendo and I played it and played it and played

it and played it and played it until my birthday,

February of 93. I finally got my own actualist

years in the making Game Boy, the original Game

Boy. And yes, I know it came out way before 1993,

but I finally got my own Game Boy for my 13th

birthday. Oh, by the way, because your mom had

a nervous breakdown because she found out that

her husband or her boyfriend of almost 10 years

actually has another wife and two stepdaughters

in Canada or whatever else, so your mom just

went nuts. My dad comes up from Kentucky. Jurassic

Park, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, well, it's

going to tie in, damn it. When dinosaurs rule

the world. I am an old dinosaur, don't you know?

My dad comes up from Kentucky, blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah, custody, blah, blah, blah. I end

up in Kentucky and I'm thinking, oh my God, Kentucky,

all is they have is... Cow's Country Music and

Tobacco, which is pretty much true 1993. See,

I had no... I was way past my dinosaur phase

when this movie came out. I had no interest.

The trailer scared the shit out of me at the

time. And I have never seen it until just about

three hours ago. There it is. Welcome. to Jurassic

Park. We've made living biological attractions

so astounding that they'll capture the imagination

of the entire planet. The most phenomenal discovery

of our time... How'd you do this? ...becomes

the greatest adventure of all time. Can I touch

it? Sure. Universal Pictures presents... You

feel that? Hold on to your butts. A Steven Spielberg

film. This is a feeling all over the park. Yeah,

that's nice. Gotta go. An adventure. Look out!

No! I can't get Jurassic Park back online. 65

million years in the making. Jurassic Park. And

I'm legitimately, I saw your post about that

on Facebook. And no, but I didn't say anything

because I'm legitimately interested in what you

think of the movie. Like it. I think it's a good

movie. I just it's not Well, you know, it's sort

of like the same thing like I had friends who

didn't watch Mandalorian when it first started

and then they went back and we're watching like

I don't get what the fuss is about and it's like

Yeah, cuz you already know about baby Grogu,

you know, you already you already know but but

it's spoiled for you Like it's yeah, you already

you're you at some point, you know part of hype

is that surprise? Right. It's like, wow. And

with Jurassic Park, it was it was you've had

30 years of CGI. And I mean, there was CGI before

Jurassic Park. There was Last Starfighter. There

was Young Sherlock Holmes. But that almost seemed

at the time seamless blending. And that's the

thing they don't do anymore. Like they like they've

forgotten that that half of that was practical

stuff, that there was an actual T -Rex on set,

that there were actual, you know, and that it

was just when they needed the dinosaurs to move.

So it was like they would have this giant Practical

thing that would establish that it has like space

and weight and a real physical presence and then

it would move and Because we our eyes weren't

trained for that yet. Like you're like, oh my

god, this is amazing You know what I mean? Yeah,

like and you've had 30 years of Transformers

and you know just everything else, you know CGI

is so overdone now where our eyes are so used

to it It's like blue screen like in 1978 blue

screen was amazing when they did the first Superman

you you know And now your eyes see it because

you know what it is. You're used to it. But I

think that was a big, a big part of the film

was that just nobody had seen anything like this

before. Like CJ, that was like, these animals

looked real. And, you know, you're kind of seeing

it, you know, in a way, in an interesting, valid

way, more for the movie itself, rather than the,

you know, the spectacle, the wonder, the shock.

It's like you're watching as a movie on probably

on a TV, right? Yeah. I mean, I saw it like opening

night. I've seen a couple other times. I just

saw it when they did the 30th anniversary release.

I saw it with Jason. I've got a picture of us

at the poster. There's a thing where they like

go around the country and they will remove the

musical soundtrack from movies and have the local

symphony orchestra play, you know, play the soundtrack

live. And I saw that for Jurassic Park a couple

of years ago. So, I mean, I've seen it on the

big screen many times. So let me ask you why

are you such a big fan of this movie, you know,

it's funny I Actually, it's not one of my favorite

movies Okay No, it's not because I think the

movie itself is flawed I think it's like, you

know, if you watch a lot of like I would say

Transformers movies or Godzilla movies You kind

of know the drill. There's a lot of humans sitting

around talking And then occasionally there's

the cool bits, you know what I mean? And I think

the cool bits are amazing in Jurassic Park. Like

if I did a top 10 movie sequences, at least two

of them would be from Jurassic Park. But I never

grew out of that dinosaur phase. I've always

loved dinosaurs. When I was a little kid in Durham,

North Carolina, there was this world -class children's

museum. Did I tell the story when we did the

Jurassic Park toy? Probably. But yeah, um, yeah

i'll tell it again so I was like four years old

and they had a class on dinosaurs and my mom

took me in and The lady who taught the class

was like well, this is more for six and seven

-year -olds a little bit older We're really worried

because he's four. Is he gonna get bored? Is

he gonna cause trouble and my mom's like just

let him stay for one class And if he's a problem

if he causes problems, i'll never bother you

again I swear and my mom came back and they're

she was like, how did he behave and they're like

he could teach this class I was that kid. I was

the kid I would like like Calvin from Calvin

and Hobbes. I was super obsessed with dinosaurs

It never went away. I remember the book came

out in 90 1990 Yep, and I remember reading an

article about how they're before it even came

out There was the bidding war for the movie and

I forget all who like all the names that were

dropped I remember Danny Eltham was one of the

names but every studio fought for it and of course

Universal got it and Spielberg got it and like

my entire college career because that was 90

was my sophomore year Unfortunately, that book

came out right before my midterms, which ended

up being very bad because my life worked out

okay. I'm okay with my choices, looking back.

But counting down to that movie, especially my

senior year, my senior year did not go well and

I had a lot of emotional problems. Okay, and

one of the things that really sort of kept me

focused was getting to that movie And that's

always been kind of the way in my life. It's

always like something That I focus on that That's

like a goal and they're like movies and comic

books comic books for a while were like my my

monthly Scheherazade, you know The story of Scheherazade

is she keeps she keeps dragging the story out.

So you got to keep coming back That's what comic

books were for a while and Jurassic Park was

something to hold on to when everything else

was falling apart And like to this day when we

get to the the brachiosaur This is not gonna

make me sound cool or masculine but I cry every

time Because the first time I saw it it was like

this this You know, it's up on the big screen

and it looks alive and it was like I have lived

to see this day I've lived to see this beautiful

thing and of course John Williams doesn't help

one fucking bit because that music is amazing

and yeah and Inspirational it lifts you up But

it just it makes you feel like you've gone to

heaven and it's it's also like Hawaii is beautiful

Like whoever made the right call not to like

actually film on location. He was like, you know

what? I'm old. Let's just film in Hawaii But

it's gorgeous like everything about that sequence

Like I said, that's one of the two sequences

that I love and I will just watch that sequence

over and over again It's called a rival to the

island from everything from when they they get

to the island they land they drive out They see

the brachiosaur and there's a couple of perf

you never say the name paracelophosaurus is in

the background but it's just it like if that

was a real thing I Would sell what I had to sell

get the money and go I would go in a minute.

I don't care how dangerous it would be like because

that is it I've always been obsessed with dinosaurs.

I've always loved them and Just to see one and

just for that one moment to believe that I'm

seeing something I thought I would never see

Was just just to hit me like a ton of bricks

and then again like caught like caught the senior

year had been rough So, you know, there were

maybe one or two times where I wasn't sure I

was gonna get to see it so like it just it moves

me every time and Like it's because it's weird

because I was never a big fan of the sauropods

when I was a kid You know, I was like t -rex

right bar, you know t -rex and all that but like

now that broccoli sore. That's my baby. I love

her Like I do she's my baby and I'm happy every

time I see her I Assume you're talking about

the toy version you have no, no, I'm talking

about in the movie in the movie. Okay, I Like

it took forever Like can it curse Kenner for

all eternity? Like they never did a proper broccoli

sore toy Like they did a little baby one that

came with Tim Murphy Right make a they for Jurassic

Park 3. I think they did a weird Not to scale

with anything Brock use, but they never did a

scale Brock use or toy for Jurassic Park Interesting.

Oh, they did a month. They did a big model that

I never got because it was a model and I'm untalented

Mm -hmm, but uh, nope. There was never a Brock

use or toy. There was I think every other I don't

know if they did a pair of full office or sorry.

I've got I've literally got every I've got actually

at this point I have everything for the original

Jurassic Park toy line like every dinosaur every

figure the playset in every vehicle Only thing

is I'm not 100 % sure. I have all the accessories

for every figure But I mean I've got like everything

else. Um, and they didn't do a broccoli So I

did all the the mainstream ones or all the they

did all the carnivores They did the Triceratops

and they did like a Stegosaurus even though he

doesn't show up until the next film He doesn't

and in fact, that's a big thing like the screenwriter

Specifically said, you know, like it was a goal

of his it was his favorite dinosaur and he was

kind of bummed that didn't show up he made that

like the The second dinosaur you see in lost

world is a stegosaurus the first one of the copies

Yeah, that's interesting because like for this

for this podcast. I reread the book Which I hadn't

read in a while and it is interesting to me how

much stuff from the original book Ends up in

the second movie Because Crichton didn't really

do a lot of sequels, but he actually wrote a

sequel to lot to dress park Which they which

is sort of what they adapted for lost world.

It's actually very different But the premise

is kind of you know that he they use the same

premise of site B Yeah, but stuff in lost world

the movie is from Jurassic Park the little girl

being attacked on the beach the the waterfall

sequence is from is from Jurassic Park There's

a couple others It's interesting how different

the book is from the movie. Like, it's interesting

who lives and who dies. You know, Hammond dies

in the book. Arnold still dies in the book kind

of the same way, but they actually show it happening.

Gennaro, the lawyer, lives. Muldoon lives. Well,

Gennaro's actually a much more important character

in the book. He's very different. He's not like

a cowardly little weasel. And then there's another

guy that gets... There's a guy that's not in

the movie that gets killed by the T -Rex, and

that's kind of a cool sequence, because like...

It's the it's the little t -rex. They're there

to t -rex book and the little one and the little

one is like playing with this guy like a cat

And like just and he's just freaking out and

it's just like knocking him down and playing

with him and just almost toying with him It's

almost cute until they get to the part where

like the grant hears his high -pitched scream

because he got bored Yeah, this this movie was

oh boy, yeah It's not something I disliked. I

was enjoying watching it. I was enjoying the

experience of Experiencing the film and it reminded

me, you know You talk about the CGI that that's

in this when they move when the dinosaurs move

But it also reminded me about some of the practical

effects that we just I mean There are some movies

now that they're trying to bring practical effects

back. But I mean we've been in the digital CGI

age for 15 and a half or 30 years basically.

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah pretty much and It's

just one of those things where I was like, oh,

that's cooler. Oh, that's cool I think the only

so I have a lot I'm one of those people that

I don't do I know Jurassic Park is not a horror

movie But I don't do horror movies because I

don't do the I do the jump scare like oh shit

What the hell was like, you know, oh my god dad

like no, no, no Mean, I'm not I'm not a big horror

movie fan either. I like monster movies, but

I don't like you know, dude in the hockey mask

Yeah, it's me the teenagers. I'm not into that.

Yeah, I but it's one of those things where in

some of the because I only tagged you in one

post because I know some people on Facebook and

I'm just speaking generally here just somebody

will like they just don't but I made other posts

after I tagged you in the first one with various

screenshots as I'm watching the movie and and

half the time when I know something creepy is

going to creep me out that pops up and it's really

not that creepy it's just the way I am I will

just immediately turn I can still hear it but

I will turn my head the other way so I don't

have to see it so the biggest scene for me that

gate like literally I almost jumped out of my

chair and I forget the name of the dinosaur it's

when um And we'll talk about him, his acting,

and his character in this, but when Wayne Knight's

character... Okay, Nedry, yeah. Yeah, when Nedry...

The Dilophosaurus. That's what I thought. Yeah,

I was just looking at... But all the pictures

that are shown in the Wikipedia article don't

show the way that the dinosaur opens its fins

or kill. The real dinosaur did not have a frill.

Okay. So that was okay. Yeah. Well, okay quick

story Okay, so the dilophosaurus in real life

is about 10 feet tall and the velociraptor is

much smaller but because they wanted the velociraptors

to be like the big bad guys of the film they

made them bigger and then they were like, okay

Well, that's kind of the same size as the dilophosaurus

and most predatory dinosaurs kind of look the

same I mean they have the same body type so they

shrunk the dilophosaurus down So the dilophosaurus

is much smaller Than it's supposed to be and

then they added that weird frill. That's actually

like there's a lizard that has that kind of frill

Yeah, but I think they did that to give it like

a rattlesnake quality. Yeah, I'm about to do

poison But yeah, the the office source in the

movie is almost a completely fictitious animal

Okay. Well, yeah, they weren't really poisonous

like, you know Well, that's what I was wondering

as I'm like, okay, so I get that So that whole

scene, just kind of jumping ahead to the scene,

and I'll talk about Wayne Knight here in a minute.

Well, everybody knows about that scene. I mean,

everybody in the film knows about that scene.

Well, yeah, I mean, like, we're not spoiling

anything, anyone that's - Yeah, it's a 30 -year

-old movie, okay? Wayne Knight dies. But, like,

so he's crashed his Jeep because he's not the

full -on bad guy of the film, but he's - Kinda

is. Well... I thought, and it kind of broke my

heart a little bit, I thought B .D. Wong, a .k

.a. Dr. Wu. It's weird. As the series goes on,

they suddenly reinvent him as an evil genius,

although the final film goes back and makes him

this kind of like, they try to redeem him and

it's weird. It's weird that they made him an

evil genius and it's weird that they made him

like this pathetic broken old guy in the last

one like in the in the he's just a scientist

in the first film okay well just the guy that

does the work okay because i looked at that and

i looked up who i was like oh my god that's bd

wong that's that's law and order that's that's

you know father of the bride that's like Oh my

god, like, how could he be a villain? And you're

right, he's not really a villain. And yes, you

are right. Wayne Knight is - He's really in it.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the real villain is a character

named Dawgson. And it's kind of interesting.

I don't know how much we want to get into this,

but they brought his character back for the last

Jurassic World film, but they recast because

the actor got in trouble. He had stuff on his

hard drive that he should not have on his hard

drive. Right. OK. Yep, yep, yep. Oh, yeah, I

don't even know who Cameron Thor is but he's

a guy who has things on his hard drive that he

should not yes, absolutely, but like I recognize

the name of the the character that's because

it's a it's a it's a famous bit in the movie

where he's like acting all like spy like and

Nedry's like Dawson Dawson we got dogs in here.

Oh, that's yeah But I'm saying like I've never

and looking at his filmography So, Dawgson. Well,

it's a bit hard. I mean, come on. Well, no, no,

no, I know. It's like, you know, Paul Newman

or somebody from that role. No, well, he was

the Mater D in 1991's Curly Sue. He was Ron,

whoever the hell Ron was in 1991's Hook, also

a Steven Spielberg movie. I mean, come on, it

was Ron. Were you watching that movie at all?

People at the time are like why is this movie

called hook when it's about when it's when it's

the Ron's movie Ron Ron and Rufio but Ron Ron

Ron. Yeah, I mean apparently he was a guy who

you know, you know directors have have people

they like to work with He was probably one of

those guys, you know until Yeah, until but like

even up until I never heard his name before ever.

He was a bit part guy. Yeah, I know. I know.

I mean, that's why I love like like it's because

again, I think we as fans find our bit part guy,

you know, we find our that guy like my guy. Well,

now he's a little bit bigger. But like Clancy

Brown has always been my you know, the guy that

was always like had like small roles in movies

and I was always happy to see him, you know.

Yep. One hundred percent between Shawshank Highlander,

Butcher Banzai. Right, yeah. But really where

he shines is that velvety voice of his as Lex

Luthor in Superman in the animated series. Yes,

exactly. I love, love Clancy. So yeah, the cast

in this is just, it's Lock, Stock and Barrel.

It's everything between Sam Neil Laura Dern Jeff

Goldblum Which I finally understand the stupid

dr. Ian Malcolm memes everywhere Yay Richard

Richard Attenborough Bob Peck Martin Ferraro

as I've said BD Wong Wayne Knight so the thing

with Wayne Knight I made the post on on Facebook

and I said it doesn't matter if he's playing

Nedry or if he's playing Newman or if he's playing

I left out Stan Podolak from Space Jam because

Stan's just a dumb publicist in that movie or

What was the third thing I come out? I compared

something You didn't tag me so I haven't seen

them. Yeah, that's okay but Said like between

like three different things I'm like, oh Wayne

Knight is always playing the bad guy and then

I looked at for some odd reason I looked at his

birthdate and I'm like, holy crap Wayne Knight

is the same age as my father. Wayne Knight was

born in 1955. Oh my god, Wayne Knight could have

been my dad. He wasn't thank God, but like God

he he's got Seinfeld rerun money. That's true.

Yeah but But no, yeah, the movie itself, I really

dug it. So some of the questions here, as far

as like we've kind of covered the history of

the film and stuff like that, Dave saw it in

theaters, I didn't. Before now, when was the

last time you watched this? I mean, it was only

a couple of years ago, like at the concert. That

was probably, it was shortly before COVID. Okay,

I remember because we stayed through because

you know, it's the orchestra so they're playing

the final credit music and I just remember thinking

it was weird because like the credit sequence

was so short Yeah, like we're so used to like

nine minutes of credits to get to the end credit

bit Yeah, like like and it was it was so quick

and considering the technical, you know considering

the technical stuff that went into that film

It's kind of really shocking. Mm -hmm. Yeah,

I mean I've seen it I saw it like a couple weeks

ago or whatever and then I saw it like just a

couple years ago, so. Yeah, absolutely. I walked

away not disappointed. I walked away with, and

this is what I love about films that, and I know,

so I'll mention really quickly because everybody

should know already, but. This franchise has

two trilogies to it. It has Jurassic Park, Lost

World, and Jurassic Park 3 as the first trilogy.

And then the World trilogy is World, World Fallen

Kingdom, and World Dominion. So this franchise

has six films to it already. And the last one

was only last year. Wow. Yep. I didn't even realize.

I thought Dominion was at least 2021. Wow. Interesting.

Well, World, I think, was 2015. Yes. World was

15, Fallen Kingdom was 18, and then Dominion

was last year in 22. But I don't know, man, time

just... That's a whole other... Me and My Time

Displacement is a whole other podcast episode.

But looking at this, I'm just like... This first

film, this film alone, not that I don't want

to watch the others, but I really have no interest

in watching the others. This is what I miss nowadays.

If you had just adapted the first book and just

had the film that we had that got released June

11th, 1993, as we've said before in the Star

Wars episode we've done already and other things,

beginning, middle, and end. This movie has everything.

It doesn't leave you with, oh my god, what's

next. No. And that was the coolest thing about

growing up 70s, 80s, 90s, like right before the

internet because we didn't know. Nobody knew

unless Michael Crichton or Steven Spielberg or

whoever. Went on good morning America or whatever

entertainment tonight and said hey, there's gonna

be another one blah blah blah We didn't know

and that's the thing I miss about films and I've

said this before is just having a self -contained

story and that's what I really enjoyed about

this I Went into this kind of like okay. What

am I getting into? I had the jumpy parts at very

like at first I thought the Think isn't it the

t -rex that pushes the Jeep around where Sam

Neal's character and the kid and the girl. Yes

Okay, so it's the t -rex. He's pushing the Jeep

around like oh He's kind of like a little dog

even though he's gonna end up eating them if

he if he catches them But as he's pushing the

Jeep around I'm like, oh, it's like a little

dog with a toy I just I just really enjoyed it.

It's probably not something I'm gonna go back

to but as a film experience and this is why I

only did I think two or three posts on Facebook

as you know kind of like not stopping moments

but like the moment when they first enter the

park and they go through the doors and the sign

so there's that the moment when Newman Nedry

escapes the park there's that and there's like

I think the moment where the T -Rex right before

he eats the lawyer That outhouse really went

to shit, didn't it? Oh, yeah. Well, you know,

they actually for San Diego Comic Con, Mattel

has the toy license. They made the outhouse.

Oh, they made the outhouse. They made the outhouse

with the lawyer. That was the only way to get

the lawyer. That's amazing. I know. I know our

good favorite Funco company has. has a pop moment

of the Jeep being split in half or something.

Being crushed. Yeah, being crushed. But yeah,

no, it was it. It wasn't as I I didn't go into

it thinking, oh, God, I can watch this movie.

Really? Like, God, watch this. And then I forgot

how good Sam Neal is. I mean, I've always known

how good he is and other things that will all

go through his filmography in a little bit. But.

Between him and Laura Dern, they were great.

Goldblum just steals the show. Goldblum steals

the show. It's weird because he had a career

before Jurassic Park. So it's weird to say that

this film made him, but I do think it kind of

redefined him. Yeah. Because he was kind of the

bug -eyed nerd before. Jurassic Park and then

like because the weird thing is like he almost

became like like you're talking about the meme

It's kind of a sex symbol. Yes. I still quite

don't quite get but like, you know Like he's

sitting there with his shirt off and I'm like

this Jeff Goldblum. Yep girls like yeah, he's

hot. I'm like, okay. Mm -hmm Yeah, it was it

was it was it was it was he did steal the movie.

I agree. Absolutely Yeah, very very good God

I think the first I don't even remember him in

the film, but I think just look just reading

through his filmography I think the first film

I ever saw him and was earth girls are easy for

my first was transylvania 65 ,000. Oh, yeah,

I think I saw the Looney Tunes adaptation of

that Okay. Yeah, Looney Tunes did a did a transylvania

thing You are absolutely right, looking before

Jurassic Park. Before Jurassic Park, his big

film was The Fly. Yeah, pretty much. After Jurassic

Park, he was in one of my absolute favorites

that we may have to cover. I don't know if it's

something you'd want to do, but we may have to

cover this. No, we can cover that. That's fine.

But Dean Koontz's Hideaway. I read that book

in 1990, whatever, I forget when the book came

out, and then I realized there was a movie. Any

time at that time in the 90s when I realized

that Dean Koontz's movies were going to be transformed

into books, there's Hideaway. You mean the other

way around, right? Yeah. Book, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I saw I was a big fan of Watchers and then I

saw I wasn't a fan of the movie and then I really

loved phantoms and I never saw the movie so Yeah,

the only two that I remember are hideaway and

mr. Murder and mr. Murder stars Probably the

I don't know how people feel about various ones

of these brothers, but What are you going to

say to me when I tell you it's Stephen Baldwin?

Some people are weird about the Baldwin brothers.

I know Alec catches a lot of flack, but I think

he's a good actor. When he wants to be, he's

a good actor. Yeah, but Goldblum's career, man,

between movies and television, he just... exploded

on the scene. I think the 90s that he had like

a flirtation with being kind of the leading man,

which was, you know, probably not his arc before

then. No, not really. And then television, he

took over. He didn't take over. He became a ongoing

from 2009 to 2010. Right before it ended, he

became Detective Zach Nichols in Law and Order

of Criminal Intent. Goran and Eames were off

doing other things or whatever at the time, so

they brought him into that. So I love watching

those seasons of criminal intent. And then in

2021, he was the voice of the Grandmaster in

Marvel's What If animated series. Holy crap.

Well, that's because he played the Grandmaster

in Zora Ragnarok. In Zora Ragnarok, yeah. Yeah,

he has an impressive career and every time he

pops up, whether it's a meme or whether it's

in real life or whether he has a series on, I

forget what, is it on Hulu? It's on Disney. He

had a series on Disney. I know that. Jeff Goldblum

Explores the World or something or other. Something

like that, yeah. Yeah. I watched the Ben and

Jerry's episode. Loved it because I love Ben

and Jerry's but that's a whole other thing Jurassic

Park folks dinosaurs and ice cream. Yeah I'm

sure there was some kind of I know there was

a There were multiple crossovers at the time.

I'm looking at a stack of my McDonald's Glasses

that actually gave me. Um, although I had a bunch

I had a bunch at the time, but they all got oh

I remember Burke. Well, I think it was for lost

world that Burger King had the watches. Yeah

Yeah, so and then the other I mean we're not

gonna go through all of the cast but I have to

mention Sam Neil because He has been in so many

things that I've just absolutely dug Like I like

him as an actor. There's another movie that of

his there's a lot of movies of his that I want

to do episodes on But there's one specific one

It was a 91 or 9 Yeah, no 92 It was him and Chevy

Chase and Darrell Hanna memoirs of an invisible

man. I love that movie carpenter That's the only

John Carpenter movie. I've really ever watched

and I love that movie Okay, I don't know why

that's weirdly that's one of the few that I've

never seen But, uh, but yeah, Sam Neil, man,

he's, he's awesome. He's, he's great. He was,

uh, you know, at Jurassic park. Uh, what was

it? There's another one. Oh, um, as you mentioned,

he was Robert McLean and horse whisperer. Oh,

so I'll tell him. So I read the book. Yeah as

a 15 year old it was because I don't know it

was my mom liked horses I was 15 and whatever

I read the book So I read the book and I'm like,

oh, okay And then I come to find out there's

a movie gonna be made of the book and I'm like,

yeah this the most of the I don't know most sometimes

books are better than the movies sometimes movies

improve a little bit on the barely Rarely, yes.

I will agree, very rarely. But yeah, in that

case, the book was better than the movie. A lot

more things happened in the book than happened

in the movie. But he was also Sam Neill. He was

Sir Richard Martin in 1999's Bicentennial Man

with Robin Williams, where Robin Williams was

Andrew the Robot. I mean, he was also in Event

Horizon. He was in In the Mouth of Madness. Which

is a another John Carpenter one that's got a

lot of HP Lovecraft influences. Mm hmm. Trying

to find I'm pretty sure he was in. Like early

on, he had a bit. I believe he had a bit part

in a movie with Steve Martin. I can't find it.

And I might be misremembering, but he like stood

out. That's why I'm like. Yeah. He always stands

out. Oh my God. He was in Hunt for Red October.

He was the guy that wanted to see Montana. Yup.

I would like to have seen Montana. Yup. Aww.

No, I'm sorry. Oh, he was in Dead Calm. Yeah,

he's in Dead Calm. He's in a lot of stuff, man.

He can spin in a lot of things. He's an amazing,

amazing actor. And then you look at his... He's

a great actor. Yeah. You look at his television

credits, the same... That's what I miss about

current Hollywood. I miss the actors and actresses

that you never knew, you knew that they were,

you know what I mean? Like Sam Neill, I've got

like two or three frames of reference for him

for various films that I've seen him in, but

then I look at his filmography at his films and

I'm like, oh, he was in this, he was in this,

he was in this. I couldn't tell you who the hell

was in what movie today unless it was a Marvel

movie or whatever, but he played In 1998, on

television, he was Merlin in the TV series Merlin.

I love that show. I'm a big Arthurian guy, to

some extent. He was Damian in Omen 3 Final Conflict.

Yep. Jeez. We're just playing with IMDb now.

Yeah, exactly. Pretty much. It's just very, very

fun. Very, very awesome. What else about the

movie itself about the plot were you? All these

years later where you're still captivated by

the plot. I Mean the plots of I mean such as

it is. It's very simple. It's it The whole thing

started because because Crichton was really worried

about people screwing around with genetic engineering

and rightfully so I think right and it was not

the first time that Crichton has used and in

theme park as a vessel for his polemics about

concerns about science. He also directed Westworld,

you know, the one with the robots that go crazy.

And, you know, like I said, there's not much,

I mean, it's sort of like this guy creates, for

those of you who don't know, you know, figures

out a way to bring back dinosaurs. And it's a

bad idea because stupid Malcolm is like weirdly

psychic and like... One of the things that annoys

me about the movie is all Malcolm has to do is

run around going Malcolm is Jeff Goldblum's character

saying it's not gonna work It's not gonna work.

And then something goes wrong. He's like, look,

I'm a genius You know because basically the elbow

everything goes really in the movie particularly

now in the book There are a lot of things that

are going wrong behind the scenes Before Nedry

shuts everything down, right? In the movie Nedry

shuts everything down and that's why everything

goes to hell it is very different in the book.

Like there's this one scene in the movie where

it probably seemed weird to you where Grant finds

some eggs. Yes. And just basically says amphibian

DNA. Yeah. Will they explain that though? Kind

of. I mean, but like in the book, it's a bigger

concern because dinosaurs are getting off the

island. Part of it is they're breeding and the

way the... The way that the park it keeps track

of the animals is they they programmed it dumb

So it only keeps track of the animals they expect

to be there So then they they read really rejigger

the the parameters and something they realize

they've got a lot more dinosaurs including velociraptors

running around like in the movie it really does

boil down to Nedry screws everything up and it

is something that always kind of frustrated me

about the entire premise because in the book

particularly Hammond keeps insisting that it's

just a zoo and I'm like Yeah, it is just a zoo.

People could do zoos. There's nothing magical

about dinosaurs that you can't possibly make

a zoo out of them. That's one of those irritating

things, like, oh, you can't possibly. I mean,

there are issues. But it was just this idea that

you just, you know. So my problem is that, well,

OK, one of the things that's interesting about

the difference between the book and the movie

is, in the book, it's very clear this is a terrible

idea. We should never do this. This is bad. Hammond

is not a good guy. He's kind of a con artist.

And then in the movie, you can tell that Spielberg

is like, yeah, no, it's a bad idea, but it's

really cool. Hammond is more like Santa. He's

a very charismatic, very lovable character. There's

a whole different attitude towards, let's put

on a big show, it's great, it's awesome. Oh,

but it's also a very bad idea. No, no, no, no,

very serious, very bad idea. It's a bad idea,

right? Point being that that part kind of always

annoyed me. My thing is I don't really care about

the plot. The plot is just a dinosaur delivery

system. Like it's just a system. It's a thrill

ride. It is literally a thrill ride movie where

you hit where once you get past all the blah,

blah, blah, talk, talk, talk, you're hitting

all the things you're hitting all the dinosaurs.

You know, it's like I said, it's it's the movie

for me is more about scenes. It's the arrival

of the island. It's the T. Rex attack. And then

it's the velocity. It's the ending with the velociraptors.

Yeah, and so that's that's more how I remember

it rather than you know Grant's dumb character

arc about how he learns to love children Even

though Ellie dumps him anyway and has a kid with

some other guy spoilers for dress for three and

funny in the book She's not she's not hooked

up with him. She's actually a student and she's

gonna marry some other guy Like they added that

to the movie, but it's also weird that he doesn't

like it in the book He likes kids because kids

are big dinosaur fans Like Tim is chasing him

around in a movie trying to get him to talk about

dinosaurs right in the book. He's actually encouraging

that conversation Lex is a much younger kid in

the in the Book, I think they made her older

partly so that she could be super computer genius

at the end and save everything Yeah, there's

there's a lot of interesting changes they make

for the movie But yeah, it's just like there's

there's just to me really the movie is three

scenes It's it's the the opening which I've already

talked about or the arrival of the island The

the the attack is amazing the the Tyrannosaurus

Breakout, although it's weird like I wonder how

much of this stuff you picked up on that like

people notice eventually after they think about

it The t -rex comes through the fence, right?

He walks through the fence and then he turns

around and he pushes the smash Jeep Over the

fence that he walked through It's like a 50 foot

drop. Yeah, so how did he walk through the fence?

Yeah Yeah, no, that's not that that's one that's

always kind of crazy And they don't even they're

they're like look we just figured we just hope

that people wouldn't notice. Yeah. Yeah, it's

one of those it's kind of like That's one of

those scenes where Like if you again you've mentioned

me and transformers and everything else I forget

which episode it is, but in one of the generation

one episodes. I have the screenshot of it. It's

a color error, but Optimus Prime is all blue

and he's like laser chained to the rock or whatever,

but instead of being red in the color he's supposed

to be, he's all blue. So this is essentially,

it's not a color error, but it's more of a scene

error, like you said. It's not even a scene error

because it's what they meant to do. They just

don't care. It's like, we don't have enough money

to turn this thing around. So I made it 15 minutes

into the movie and I wrote down, I forgot the

way movies used to be made. Cause seriously,

you watch any, any, I don't care. Any movie older

than 15, anything before 2008, essentially almost

anything, you know, you, especially the You know

from the 90s on back to the 50s for like movies

were man just the where we've started and where

we are now it's a Technological Marvel how much

movies have changed in let's say a hundred years

It's crazy It's absolutely crazy the Delos before

or whatever the hell the Jeep scene when he gets

in the Jeep and he opens his little gills. I'm

like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Well, then the question is how to get in there.

Exactly. How to get in there. And like speaking

of someone who owns the toys, how did he fit?

Because I've tried to set that up and like the

Lophosaurus toy does not fit in the Jeep. Yeah.

And then like I will give like to me to give

credit to Spielberg as a director, because this

was Spielberg's year. You think about 93 was

Jurassic Park came out and was like the top box

office movie of the world And it was the year

that Schindler's List came out and he won the

Oscar for that finally won the Oscar and You

know as a general rule, I'm a you know, I'm a

pretty cynical guy. I watch a lot of movies So

like, you know, you kind of going to going well,

they're not gonna kill the kids, right? They're

not gonna kill the kids and then there's that

scene in the kitchen and the one velociraptor

comes in and I'm like Okay, they'll they'll outsmart

the velociraptor. They're not gonna kill the

kids And then the second one comes in. Yeah,

the first time I saw that my brain went I don't

know how this is gonna I don't know I How how

these kids gonna survive like like I know they

don't kill him. So got me. He got me Yeah, they

pulled so Before all that when they were still

doing the Jeep thing and the kids were being

crushed in the Jeep. Yeah He pulls the girl out.

Yeah, but he pulls Lex out Tim is that Tim still

in there? Yeah Tim still in there I thought after

the Jeep fell off the thing and into the tree,

I thought Tim was done. I didn't think he was

going to get out of that Jeep. And then Sam gets,

whatever the fuck Sam Neal's character, okay,

that's my middle name, I should remember that,

you'd think. As the Velociraptor said in Jurassic

Park 3, Alan. Wait, the Velociraptor talks? The

Velociraptor on the plane looks over at Alan.

Alan looks over at the Velociraptor and the Velociraptor

says, Alan. Now you've got to wait for the third

one, don't you? No, I don't. Thank God. But when

Alan climbs down and we see him in that weird

angle of where Tim is in the Jeeps, when he's

checking on him to see if he's... I really thought

he was dead. I really thought the kid was dead

there, but I'm glad he wasn't and I'm glad the

kids survived He lived long enough to die in

North Korea Oh man But didn't you ever see a

GIJ retaliation? Is it the second? Yeah, no,

I have not seen the second one the same act the

guy who played Tim the kid who played Tim He's

mouse in GIJ retaliation and he gets killed off

at the beginning. You know, I've only ever seen

the first one I need to go back and watch the

second one. The second one is weird Like I always

say the first one has the scope of GI Joe But

it doesn't have the feel the characters all feel

wrong, right? The second one has the characters

feel more like GI Joe characters, but it ain't

got no scope It's like that's the poor kid playing

with his three GI Joe's, you know Yeah, like

the first one's the rich kid who doesn't really

understand GI Joe But he's got all the toys and

the second one's the poor kid who just basically

has like two of them You know, it's like rah

But he but he understands he understands who

they are like so it's it's weird. Both those

films are weird The one I've gotten and then

there is no third one. There is no snake eyes

movie No, there's this movie about some asshole

in Japan, but but but he's not snake eyes Really

quickly going back so I can close this one out

for Crichton as an author. I Didn't know Congo

he released that in 80 like I thought Congo was

at like cuz I remember the movie version of Congo

But for Crichton other than yeah. Well, I think

the movie version was no gonna say Congo the

movie is directly related to Jurassic Park. Jurassic

Park made money, and it was like, what has this

guy written that we can turn into a movie? Yep.

Exactly. And that's where Disclosure comes in

in 1994 with Michael Douglas and Demi Moore.

Those are the only two... Between Jurassic Park

and Disclosure were the only two Crichton novels

I ever really knew. Obviously, I knew the other

Jurassic Park novels, but back then, as a kid...

There's only one. There's Jurassic Park and Lost

World. Crichton didn't do sequels. It's interesting.

Crichton didn't do sequels and Spielberg, I mean,

yes, the Indiana Jones films were a series, but

Spielberg never really did sequels to anything

else. Yeah. And Lost World was the only sequel

either of them really did. I mean, I know I'm

splitting hairs with Indiana Jones, but I consider

that like a series like James Bond. Yeah. Yeah.

Each movie doesn't really lead into the next

movie. They're kind of independent of each other.

So it's not like a sequel. Yeah, he never did

sequels and because he never did ET. He didn't

do Jaws 2. He was going to do Jaws 2, but he

didn't do Jaws 2. So Lost World is like the rare

sequel that either of them really ever did. Yeah,

you know, Crichton did ER. If you ever watched

ER, he did that. Oh, wow. Dude, the dude did

Westworld, Andromeda Strain, Jurassic Park, Kongo,

ER, Disclosure. The dude was a machine. Mm -hmm

speaking of machines mr. Spielberg. Oh my god

like be here all day going through this but I

Think our audience knows who Stevens I would

hope that somebody has ready network. Yeah, would

have some vague idea But like I like people I

know who likes are super not nerds. Mm -hmm know

who Steven Spielberg is Oh 100 % because of manamaniacs

and But I forgot you did Catch Me If You Can

from 2000. I love Catch Me If You Can, yeah.

I love that movie. And Williams has a great theme

for that. It's a very cool, it's a very non -John

Williams theme. And it fits very well. Ladies

and gentlemen, I think I just found the next

episode Dave and I can do because I forgot John

Williams did that score. Oh yeah. What? Look.

I love the music and I remember the music. Williams

is one of those guys who gets typecast as doing

kind of a John, I mean, we call it a John's Williams

type score, but he's incredibly talented. He

can do other stuff. Yeah, no, absolutely. And

he's done so well. He's Spielberg's guy. Directors

have a composer. I don't know if he's still doing,

but for a while though, he did every Steven Spielberg

movie. It's like Michael Giacchino does JJ Abrams

stuff. Yep, 100%. But yeah, I mean going through

Mr. Williams stuff is like, oh my god. And it

goes so far back. The conductor of the St. Louis

Symphony Orchestra is like a friend of John Williams.

So they did a special concert on his birthday,

which I got to go to. Awesome. He was doing Westerns.

And of course, they're amazing. But the concert

started with these old -timey Western things,

and it was all so cool. You forget his range.

The man is just amazing. He is. He absolutely

is. He's done stuff. Obviously, you know, I think

you mentioned it before but towering inferno

is really like is like I would say that's his

Like oh my god breakout kind of thing like where

people probably but then you know You go into

jaws and you go into all this all Star Wars.

I'm not gonna go through all but all Star Wars

close encounters Superman, you know 1941 ET but

just Man, just Empire of the Sun, Indiana Jones.

I love the music in Hook. Hook has good music,

yeah. Well, 1941 has a great theme, too. Yeah,

it does. It's amazing. I know people are going

to just roll their eyes at me for this one, but

the only two that really exist, the Home Alone

movies, Home Alone 1 and then the second one,

Lost in New York. I love the way he does the

music for when Kevin is sneaking around doing

stuff. That's so, so awesome. And yeah, man,

he did. He did the music for 1998 Stepmom with

Julia Robertson. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Like, oh man,

just. He's a composer. Composers work, man. Oh,

no, no, absolutely. Yeah. But it's like, oh my

God, this guy has done so much in this entire

just all of it, like just so good. And it's we're

going to do a little bit of a deep dive into

John Williams later on in 2024, folks, when when

Dave and I end up doing Star Wars music here

on the podcast, because holy crap, there's a

lot. So anything else we need to say about Jurassic

Park, we kind of went all over the map there,

but. But I've heard it's very frightening in

the dark. All the dinosaurs are running wild.

And then I always get that wrong. I always get

the line wrong. So I always want to say someone

let T -Rex out in the rain, but that's not actually

how it works in the weird song. No, I it's weird.

Like, I think people think that I like like like

the movie more than I do. Like I said, there

are sequences that I love. I think the movie

overall is OK. I think it's well directed, it's

got a great cast, but there's a lot of sort of

sitting around talking. It's interesting that

David Kopp, the guy who wrote the screenplay,

he came up with a mantra for the sequel, which

is kind of like one of my mantras as a writer,

which is he felt like it took too long to get

to the island. So that's my thing. It's like,

get to the island. The first one takes a little

too long to get to the island. It takes a little

too long. We meet the guy who's digging the amber.

We have the scene at the dig site. One thing

I do love about the movie is there's a lot of

clever storytelling. Like when Grant confronts

the fat kid at the dig site. He's spooking them

and messing with them and telling them, but that's

exactly what happens to Muldoon. at the end,

right? It's foreshadowing what happens to Muldoon.

You see the one in front of you and you don't

see the one on the side. One of the small things

I really love is when they're coming to the island

and the helicopter's dropping and everybody's

putting on their seatbelts and Grant's seatbelt

is messed up. It's got two receivers, not the

plug. And everybody's making a fuss about it

and then he just ties them together, right? I

love that scene because that scene conveys so

much information. Number one, the InGen helicopter

is flawed, right? It's got a screwed up seatbelt,

which tells you that InGen itself kind of makes

mistakes, which is a crucial thing. And it also

tells you that Grant is a very resourceful, like

instead of panicking or trying to figure something

out, he just ties them together. He's a resourceful

guy. It conveys all that information without

any real dialogue. And we learn so much from

what seems like a cute little joke. And like

you're saying, I don't think movies do that anymore.

No, they don't. And the last thing I will talk

about is the one thing I really hate in the film

is Nedry hits the sign to the docks and crashes

his car, picks up the sign and the arrow is on

a wheel. How would that ever be useful in any

scenario? How would it be useful to have a sign

where the wheel is on a wheel like any random

kid could spin it around? That's so stupid. Yeah,

that scene makes no sense. Him crashing into

the side makes sense, but what he does doesn't

make sense because it never comes back to that.

He's the only one going to the docks. They aren't

going to the docks. They aren't chasing him.

He has the meet -up supposed to have the meet

-up at the docks to give the embryos and blah,

blah, blah. It's not like the heroes of the movie

are chasing the villain there. They're not at

all. there. Well, they don't even know he's gone

yet. Right? Exactly. That's my point. No, but

what I'm saying is he picks up the sign to look

at the look at where the arrows pointing and

it's on a wheel. Yeah, like, yeah, so somebody

can't so they can't figure out where to go. And

it's just like, that makes that makes no design

that that bugs me. And the other thing that bugs

me is how everybody just abandons the island.

Yeah, for like the five main characters, right?

It's like, oh, we're just everybody leave the

island. Well, that's all the computers and these

dinosaurs just all go. Well, that's part of the

thing in the film, I think, isn't it? They say

it from the onset as soon as they get to the

island, as soon as they get to the scientists.

Everybody must be on the boat back to the mainland

for the end of business day. They say that, and

I'm just like, OK. But why? Well, I mean, these

dinosaurs cost a lot of money, and you're just

going to abandon the entire island. Like, at

least four people. That's stupid. That's not

how you... It's not how you run a business. And

they've established that they have a bunker,

because they go down to the bunker later. Because

if it's the storm, why wouldn't you ride up the

storm in the bunker? But no. There's computers.

There's equipment. There are dinosaurs that cost

millions of dollars to create each one. That's

a big plot point in the book, is Hammond won't

let anything happen to the dinosaurs because

they cost too much. They cost a fortune. But

it's just like, well, we need to eliminate all

the background characters. Let's just all go

on a boat. Let's just get rid of everybody. And

by the way, this is a really important weekend

because these guys will determine whether or

not the dress park gets to keep running. So let's

just all get on a boat and leave. OK. And of

course, this is a movie that, for the handful

of you that ever followed our podcast, my podcast

with Jason, gave us chili and sea bass. That's

right Chilean sea bass and then this is like

why would you have Chilean sea bass? Yeah, so

this is the movie with Chilean sea bass and it

actually a sad a sad consequence of this movie

is that That got like heavily over fished Because

of the movie because we can think people heard

of the Chilean Seabass and they wanted it Yeah,

and which is weird because it was a junk fish

that nobody wanted and suddenly it got over fished

Well, that's the thing about movies or TV shows

hell even saw like think of everybody that Eminem

used to put in his songs You would then want

to go find those people not find them in real

but like Carson Daly and Christina Aguilera you

hear something mentioned somewhere you may want

to oh Yeah, let me you know that kind of thing

famously the 101 Dalmatians like people people

would go and adopt Dalmatians after that movie

came out and it was a problem because Dalmatians

Are actually a somewhat difficult dog to handle.

They're very high -strung So people you know,

it was like it was a very sad story people would

adopt Dalmatians and then like kind of get rid

of them You know dump them off the shelter because

they're not great pet dogs. They're not great

Family dogs. So yeah, like it's it's it's it's

kind of it's not exactly the spry sand effect

But it's kind of like the spry sand effect. There

probably is a proper name for it. But yeah, it's

a good film. I'm glad that you saw it. I'm glad

that you enjoyed it. I I will I will put my cards

on the table. I like the next film lost world.

Okay, I'm not gonna push you to watch it It's

one of those it's one of those that nobody seems

to like it. But me So like, I like it. There

are two T -Rexes and they murder the shit out

of Toby Ziegler, the best sequence ever. And

then they actually get to the mainland like and

have stuff. I like the second movie. Third movie

gets pretty dumb. And then the Jurassic World

movies exist. OK, I love like maybe the first

20 minutes of Jurassic World when the park is

actually open and functioning. It makes me happy

to my soul. and then the movie starts and then

the plot starts and it's like aww aww then they

don't get better from there oh no that's not

good no they're dumb well that's not good at

all all right folks i think uh before we go to

a quick break zero to five what are you going

to give jurassic park uh it's it's a skewed score

i'll give it a four okay It's skewed because

I love like the stuff I love I love so much,

but I really feel like the film overall probably

deserves a three Because I think it's it's competent.

It's well done. But just those those highlights

are so high for me Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna give

it a three and a half. I very much enjoyed it.

I Didn't know if I was going to enjoy it I could

do without some of the jump scare bits, but that's

just my own personal Whatever it is what it is,

but you need those in the movie and all that

but overall It's probably not a movie. I'm gonna

go back and watch anytime soon But I enjoyed

the experience of experiencing it for the first

time without really having like I mentioned earlier

in the last hour or so I've known about the dr.

Ian Malcolm names for years so You know, it is

what it is. As Dave mentioned earlier, you can

go, I think you can still go and listen to all

of his and Jason's old podcast, David DeWalt's

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thoughts, Mr. Draper, sir? I think it's a good

movie. I mean, you know, it's an okay movie.

It's a great thrill ride, is what I would say.

I also like it gets credit for changing the population's

view on dinosaurs. The paleontology community

knew that dinosaurs were more active. They weren't

the lumbering giants of traditional media presentation.

But I think for the general population, it was

a revelation that these things were fast, they

were warm -blooded, they weren't just like lizards

dragging themselves around. So, you know, I don't

know. I'm glad it got made. I enjoyed it. I'm

glad that you liked it. I'm not that kind of

person who's like, oh, watch this movie, you're

going to think it sucks. Hahaha. And also, I'm

glad you liked it because I think that means

it kind of holds up. Like I said at the beginning,

we do live in this world where the special effects

can do anything now. And I think the fact that

you kind of, not that you loved it, but that

you liked it, I think says that there's something

to story. There's something to good directing

and story and acting that allows a movie to hold

up more than the visuals being on point per se.

The weird thing is the visuals are more on point

in that film from 1993 than they are in a lot

of movies that are released now. And there's

a reason for that. Which is that back in the

day they they they literally put more effort

into it They spent more money on it or like now

it's just like slap it out and get it out Well

that and we didn't have we had some computing

power back then but we didn't have a lot of computer

power computing power back then and most of it

was practical effects and Nowadays people will

just go to a computer and and create a CAD model

or a 3d render or whatever Bob's your uncle.

There you go. Yeah I'm glad I talked you into

this Because I was morally offended that you're

making a bigger deal out of Robin Minnan tights

than dress That irritated me to no end. I'm like

really Like the Mel Brooks movie based on that

one stupid Kevin Costner film like really Robin

Hood's been around for a long time though, over

a hundred years. Okay, but isn't Minitite basically

just Prince of Thieves? It's kind of, pretty

much. Like Young Frankenstein is like all the

old universal Frankenstein movies, you know,

High Anxiety is all the Hitchcock films, Losing

Saddles is all the westerns, like even Spaceballs

is very multiple science fiction things, I mean

they've got the crack about alien, you know,

like it's more of a, you know, it's got all these

jokes from all the other, and then Men in Tights

is basically that Kevin Costner Robin Hood film.

Yeah. No, absolutely. And I wasn't trying to

make a bigger film. You were. You absolutely

were. No, I was not. You were. You were saying

it was a more important film in the history of

civilization than some dumb Steven Spielberg

film. You absolutely were. I remember that. I

remember that perfectly. He's putting words into

my mouth. I'm absolutely not. That's not what

I said. I said at the time that I spit on Jurassic

Park. It's not worthy of wiping Lincoln's shoes.

Speaking of another film from 1993 featuring

a dinosaur, Yoshi in Super Mario Bros. Oh my

god, that's somebody else's vicious goss, man.

I'm aware of it. I've never actually seen it.

I do know that the people who did... Max Headroom,

yeah. I keep wanting to say Maximum Overdrive.

I know that people who did Max Headroom made

it, which is weird to me. I think the more interesting

story is the making of that film than the film

itself. Well, because they got the guys who did

Max Headroom to do a fucking Mario Brothers movie.

There was a lot of drugs floating around. I think

we had officially transitioned from cocaine to

some mushrooms or something. But no, I just I

Know Jason and I went through like on this is

a weird thing that friends do when we're alone

We actually like to spend a night going through

IMDB from 1993 and going through all the movies

that came out that year And it was it was kind

of crazy. It was kind of it was kind of impressive

the stuff that came out that year. Yeah 1993

was a awesome year for movies and the fat and

the funny thing is Other than Alan Silvestri,

who did the music in the Super Mario Brothers

movie, I recognize none of the names for the

director, the writers, all of that. The only

thing I recognize is the music and the cast.

And it's what it is. They did Max Edwards. Yep.

All right, folks, that's going to do it for us.

I think next time around, we are going to be

doing another anniversary, the 20th anniversary.

of Ben Affleck, Uma Thurman, what's his name?

He played Denton in the Batman, oh God, Aaron

Eckhart. Yeah, 2004's Paycheck. So reverse engineering.

Oh my God. Yes, that's 20 years old next year.

I'm just like somebody who remembered that existed.

Oh, I love that movie. Okay. Yeah, I love that

movie for... Basically one line really but I

love the movie in general I think it's a good

you don't see a lot of reverse a lot of racy

some don't see a lot of reverse engineering films

and when Affleck tried is making sure that Uma's

character is who see who she says he who she

says he is He asks her what's my favorite baseball

team? That would be the Boston Red Sox So yes,

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No one's there. Don't even look. Yeah, okay.

As I mentioned... Okay, Mr. Raptor. Okay, one

more minor nerd point about Jurassic Park. Yes?

It doesn't really make me angry, but it's...

So, there's a dinosaur called... Oh god, now

I'm gonna put my... Deonicus. Basically, it's

like a velociraptor. The Deonicus is important

because it was really the dinosaur that made

scientists realize that dinosaurs were more like

birds, that they were more active, because it

was a small predator. It had to be quick and

agile in order to be able to eat, right? Right.

Tyrannosaurus rex is huge, it's obviously going

to kill whatever it goes after, but these quick

little nimble bird -like animals had to have

a more bird -like metabolism. And for a while

in the 80s, at least in paleontology circles,

they were kind of famous, they were celebrated.

This was the dinosaur that basically said, you've

got to, and Velociraptor was one of those kind

of dinosaurs. I mean, it was a variation of it

that lived in Mongolia. And there's a very famous

skeleton of a Velociraptor fighting another dinosaur

and they died and they got fossilized. But the

Deonicus was the more famous one. And then Crichton

wrote Jurassic Park, and then Spielberg made

Jurassic Park, but there's a scene at the very

beginning of the book when a wounded, when the,

when the guy who gets wounded is brought into

a hospital on the mainland and he's murmuring,

he's mumbling because he's dying and he says,

Lossaraptor. And the whole thing is they, he

used a Velociraptor instead of a Neonicus so

that there could be a moment that the doctor

opens up a book and reads that Raptor translates

to bird of prey. And so velociraptors came in,

swooped in, and stole Deonicus' credit. Everybody

knows what a velociraptor is, but nobody remembers

what the Deonicus is. So they stole their glory.

Creighton and Spielberg stole Deonicus' glory.

And then the velociraptors were the wrong size

in the movie. As I mentioned, they made them

big. So ironically, when they were filling the

movie, they found something called a eudoraptor.

Utah Raptor in Utah, which was a Raptor about

that size. So they're like, see, it's legitimate.

It's it's legit science. Yeah. Go off a source

that doesn't exist. I always love knockoff toys

that have the frills because you're like, yeah,

you're actually stealing like that. That's not

you're not just copying a dinosaur. That's that's

stealing a fictional creature they made up for

that movie. Okay, I'll stop being a nerd now.

No, no, it's awesome I literally like I went

to Chicago last weekend and I literally I went

to the Field Museum twice Like you do like I

do know so do t -rex's have feathers or not No,

apparently they they they have fluff like like

a chick right like a baby chick So they look

really stupid. They look like an Easter chick

with a tyrannosaur head poking out. The pictures

are terrible. But yeah, apparently they suppose

they have fluff. I know they found raptor skeletons

or they found skeletons with feathers for those.

Almost any kind of predatory dinosaur probably

had feathers, particularly in the Cretaceous.

That was the other thing I was gonna mention

really before we close this out finally the movie

is I love how they mix the old -school methods

of finding the dinosaur skeletons and The new

school where it's like, yeah, let's just drop

a mine into the ground and explode it out It's

not a mine. It's a shotgun. It's a shotgun shell

They shoot into a plate and that causes vibrations

and then right with a sonar or yeah No, they

don't drop a mine into the ground, Jesus Christ.

It's a shotgun shell. Yeah, it's an explosive

charge. Not an explosive charge, it's a shotgun

shell. They put it in the thing and they go boom,

and it hits a plate. So they're not shooting

it into the ground. It just reminds me of when

I saw that, I was like, hey, I wonder if that's

where Gideon Reeves got that idea. There was

a very short, it only got one season, there was

a Fox show called APB. back in 2017 and it had

Justin Kirk as the lead billionaire and part

of his technology thing was he invented these

drones that could basically destroy landmines

by less lethal means even though it's an explosive.

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