Star Wars Revenge of the Sith Review

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12 months of Star Wars, which we started three

years ago, is none other than Mr. David Draper.

Hello, sir. Good, good. Execute episode 66. That's

my Emperor impersonation. Yes, very good. I do

a better Yoda. Well, Yoda is going to be fighting.

You're going to be having a battle with yourself

in this podcast since Yoda fights the Emperor

in this movie. I know. Thank you, Steven Spielberg,

by the way. I don't know where to go. That was

his idea. No, no, no, I know. Yeah, absolutely.

because we need that because... Look, the Star

Wars films are not known for subtlety or symbolism.

I know it sounds kind of goofy, but the idea

of Palpatine literally using the tools of the

Senate, those floating things, it's very symbolic

that he's destroying the Senate, he's destroying

the Republic and trying to smash it. You might

not have noticed it, but your brain did. So,

yeah, you know, I feel like, well, particularly

with the prequels, I feel like when there's actually

something kind of good to point out, we should.

When there's something clever or smart or well

done in the prequels, it deserves a good gold

star. I think you have a career in films. I completely

agree with you. Out of the three prequel films,

Revenge of the Sith is my favorite one. I think

Revenge of the Sith is everybody's favorite one.

I mean, well. Look, there's only so much you

can do with a young Anakin in a bunch of pod

racing, and we hashed this out years ago now,

but that stupid love story, make me puke. Well,

yeah, that was the problem, is that the entire

prequels revolve around it. I understand George

Lucas' idea of this is my chance, because he

felt, I'm sorry if I'm covering stuff that were

on previous episodes, I wasn't here for that.

He really felt in the original trilogy that he

constantly had to compromise because, you know,

he wasn't like, you know, I mean, he basically

had to beg the studios for the money, which he

always resented. He had to compromise to see

his vision. So I can understand wanting to do

the films you want to do the way you want to

do them. At the same time, I also believe in

knowing your strengths and your weaknesses. And

if you know you're not a particularly good writer

and you're kind of weird and not necessarily

a very people person, Mm -hmm, and and you know

that you like I can I can see it in his I've

done this writing stories where you just have

like a blank spot of there's a fight here There's

a thing here that I you know, they're on a boat

and I really don't know about boats So they they

you know consult someone who knows about boats

to like get me the technical stuff about boats

and his was love story except love story was

really kind of again Everything revolves around

this love story and like if you're not good at

writing characters that come across as human

Get someone else to write that for you. Yeah,

and I know that famously it was supposedly partially

ghostwritten by Carrie Fisher and some other

people get someone seriously to sit down and

hammer that shit out and make it shine because

Like that whole movie revolves around the love

story every like every decision he makes is because

of his love for Padme like You really need that

thing to work. Like you should have put a little

more effort into that a little less effort into

making like The the the CGI look right? Yeah,

you know what I mean? Yeah, if you're a writer

director and I'm not a writer director sure I

write podcast scripts and I come up with crappy

jokes and things like that sometimes but You

know, whatever it is what it is But if you're

a writer director and you have other people to

do the if you have effects people on your staff

Let them do their job like don't don't try to

do everything yourself Also, you're in this weird

catbird seat. You're George Lucas. I'm not a

big fan of romantic movies, romantic comedies

or whatever, but I'm pretty sure that in the

early 2000s, there was a whole generation that

grew up with Star Wars, and there had to be somebody

that would have been like, oh, you want me to

write this movie for you? Hell yeah. I don't

think it would have been hard. But I really think

that was his ego, like, I'm gonna do my movie

my way this time. I'm not gonna let anyone get

in a fear. And we got, you know, we got Sand.

We got, he hates Sand. It's coarse and irritating.

Do you watch Red Letter Media? The Plinket reviews,

which I quoted earlier? I haven't in years. Oh,

the episode two one, there's this whole sequence

about how Anakin wins over Padme's heart. You

know, and it's all like it discusses things from

the film. And then he has like a little plus

check mark go ding or a little red X go bang.

Like by the end, it's freaking out because he's

doing that rant about murdering the sand people

and it's like bang, bang, bang. It's hilarious.

We were on we were literally and I'm using that

word correctly on the floor laughing the first

time we saw that. Wow. So it's been like I said

three years since I recorded episode one and

episode two I had forgotten that because I the

only thing I did in in prep for this is Watch

episode three. I did not go back and watch the

other two I remember them. No. Yeah. No, absolutely.

I remember them My point is what I didn't remember

Is that he Wrote and directed all three of these.

Yeah, I did not remember that Oh George Well

third one and I don't want to say he knocked

it out of the park, but I mean I really there's

a lot in this that I like yeah, I think You know,

I always feel I always feel particularly like

a when talking about the prequels Think it's

at my Star Wars fan boyist Because you're always

looking for those bits that were good in them

and there were bits that were good in them And

I think it's probably easiest or three because

threes a little more of the hardcore one What's

interesting is is I watching it I was surprised

at like, you know All the all the Star Wars memes

on like Facebook because I'm old like most of

those like the prequel ones come from Episode

three episode three. Yeah, like, you know Hello

there. That's like a weird, people have a weird

fetish about that thing. There's some other,

you know, there's some good lines. I think it's

a lot of people feel like it's the prequel that

they should have started with and kind of skipped

the first two. I think you needed, like I said,

you needed the love story. I just think it should

have been done more competently. I'm not trying

to be smart -ass about it. I mean, I think everyone

pretty much agrees that that's a weak point in

a weak film. Yep. So this is like the last one

at bat. Everything falls apart. It's more action,

less story, which I think really helped. Absolutely.

It does help. Because Mighty Casey did not strike

out here, I don't think. There are things about

this film that... But they're not as... Oh, I

swear if I see them on that field one more time,

I'm gonna light that movie on fire But the third

movie yeah, no absolutely the action like I I

wanted to do a count of this but I just I lost

count I wanted to count how many times Obi -Wan's

Transportation on Utapau. You'll know what the

animal's name is because you're... It's like

a Vactyl Raptor. Okay, whatever. Well, whatever

it is. Look, it's been a long, long time. Yeah,

whatever it is. Every time that thing made noise,

every time that thing fried out, I wanted to

keep a counter... I lost count. But the action

on on on udapau Where the movie comes in where

Anakin is where Obi -Wan is like at the end I

know I'm jumping ahead here, but everybody knows

this movie. They don't have these they're 20

years old Yeah, so at the end when you you know

you said earlier, you know about I have the hug

You know you were my brother and I can't blah

blah blah. I'm like brother Huh? How? You were

Obi -Wan was maybe 16 17 when Anakin was 10 that's

First of all, it was a little more metaphorical

I think mm -hmm, you know and you have like a

My uncle is like I don't know the age range But

I know that my uncle is basically kind of like

an only child because my mom and her other brother

and her sister were teenagers when he was born.

Okay. So, you know, it happens. Yeah, no, it's

just I think it was more like, you know, even

though he was like, you have older brothers in

a mentoring role, like, because he was kind of

his teacher, he was his teacher, too. So it was

like, you know, they fought together. Brother,

I think in that sense means more like comrade

in arms, like band of brothers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, absolutely. And we did see in this movie

and the other two movies. Well, the other one.

A little bit in this movie and a little bit in

the other two movies. As much as I'm disappointed

in Dave Filoni these days, what makes The Clone

Wars great and useful is that it really fixes

the issue with the movies, which is that we see

them as friends. We see that relationship. We

see those characters as characters So that when

we come to this movie, like if you did it in

order, like, you know, watching Attack of the

Clones and then the Clone Wars movie and the

show and then and then this show. Well, first

of all, you'd be like, where's Ahsoka? But second

of all, you wouldn't know where Ahsoka is. No,

you wouldn't, because because it starts at any

point being it fleshes everybody out. You would

get the sense that they were brothers. You know,

like it develops them in a way that the movie

just kind of the movies are very bad about telling,

not showing, particularly in human relationships.

which is not George's thing, which is fine because

it's not really my thing either, but you know,

I'm not writing movies that way. Well, and the

other thing is movies are most movies, unless

they're three -hour bat sparklers. Movies are,

let's say, 90 minutes to two and a half hour.

Like a good movie length is anywhere from 90,

me personally, this is just my personal opinion,

90 minutes to two and a half hours somewhere

around there that's a good movie time length

and it's it's finite you have to fit what you

can fit into that and you are absolutely correct

that's why not necessarily that's why Clone Wars

was it what was a thing but the animated series

of anything not just Star Wars if you got a cartoon

and you want to tell a story you got as long

as you have 65 episodes or whatever for syndication

Go ahead, tell that story. And you are right.

I really did enjoy the Clone Wars. I did enjoy

seeing them flesh all of that Obi -Wan Anakin

stuff out. I think it retroactively made things

better, but I don't think that's an excuse or

a defense for the films that got made. You can

tell a story with characters in two and a half

hours. You can tell a story with characters in

90 minutes. Part of it is the direction, because

Lucas isn't a particularly good director. The

thing is, I feel bad slamming Lucas, because

everybody has, but Lucas is good at what he's

good at, and he's not good at what he's not good

at. And directing is not one of his strong suits.

Because again, people person. But if you watch

the Plinkett review of episode three, he's behind

this bank of monitors over here in the corner

sipping his coffee when he's directing. He's

not sitting by the camera. He's not interacting

with the actors. He's kind of off by himself.

And I feel like, there's a lot of stuff that

he focuses on in these movies that don't need

to be there. The one that's coming to mind now

is from episode two, which I know we're not supposed

to be talking about, but the droid factory scene

where 3PO is hanging on the giant thing, flying

through the factory. None of that needed to be

in there. We could have developed characters.

In particular, I think more so than any other

media like you got to get in do your job and

get out and there's very little fat on the bone

like And and you need the actors to carry you

you need everybody working together pulling together

to carry a movie because that's one of the reasons

I think One of the reasons I think you feel that

way about the length of a movie and I kind of

agree is because when these movies are three

hours long that means the director can like have

this little thing that goes on forever and doesn't

pay off and this little thing and this, you know,

you got to be tight and concise, like in a way

that like TV shows can take an episode and develop

wharf or Troy, right? Like they don't do that.

And then, but but in the movie, everybody's got

to do their thing and get in, get out, you know,

book can take forever, like anything else can

take forever. And waste time because the movies

you've only got so much time, and then it's done.

And usually, like, Star Wars was in, is in a

unique position, particularly after Empire, I

think, where, yeah, you're gonna get the next

one, you know? Yeah, you're gonna get a sequel

to Empire. Yeah, you know, there'll be another

movie, but most movies aren't like that. Most

movies aren't, like, you gotta tell your story

and be done with it. That's why most horror movie

sequels are so annoying, because, like, it's,

you know, we've resolved the situation, and now

there's another shark. Freddy comes back. There's

another terrorist attack somewhere that John

McClane stumbles in there's always you know Yeah,

you know, it's always gonna dig everything back

up again and not build on it Like the good sequels

build on what came before the bad sequels just

sort of like find a cheap way to resurrect it.

Yep So did you see this in theaters? Oh, yeah,

this is the only one so I'm a toy nerd and with

the prequels I actually like I did the midnight

thing for the toys for the first two movies And

I saw them I saw the movies the day after they

open like the day they open but not like the

midnight things This is the only one I saw the

midnight thing for And then I did the toy thing

the day after actually Very cool. Very cool.

Yeah, I back then in 2005 somebody Sent me it

from somewhere. I didn't go to a theater. I was

at home I don't have any of my tickets for the

original trilogy, which makes me sad But I do

have all my prequel tickets. Awesome. Yeah, I

remember I was 19 when Menace came out. I got

a ticket around here in one of my boxes still

because I used to, you know, all movie stubs.

It's like I have a drawer on a desk like that.

I'm sentimental about crap like that. Used to

be until I like moved like five million times.

Yeah, I can't I can't keep up with this crap

anymore I didn't throw it away, but I didn't

like actively keep up with it Kind of thing and

now I just don't go to the movies. I'll wait

until it comes on on the on -demand or Disney

Plus or whatever What what is it about episode

3 that kind of was off putting for you. I mean,

the direction, the dialogue, you know, the dialogue

is classic Lucas dialogue. The direction is very

flat. But again, you got to go into this realize

like 90 % of the problem is people don't understand

and they shouldn't have to. Let me be clear.

You shouldn't have to understand George Lucas

and his motivations. That should be that should

come through the movie. but like he's doing a

tribute to a certain kind of movie that he grew

up with. It had a certain kind of style. It was

very flat and melodramatic. It was flat but melodramatic.

It was not naturalistic. It wasn't like a 70s

kind of naturalistic method acting. It was very

flat and very dramatic and very stagey. And he's

directing it deliberately that way, which as

a member of a modern audience doesn't work for

me. Most of Padme's dialogue is terrible. And

the other thing is, nothing was ever explained.

The flaw of the prequels as a whole, including

the third one, is that we know now, mostly because

Lucas has told us now, that Anakin's prophecy

was about he was supposed to bring balance to

the force by eliminating both the Jedi and the

Sith. Okay, Lucas told us this now. That's not

in the movie. Yeah. And then the question becomes,

why do the Jedi need to be taken out of the equation?

And I think Lucas is saying that the Jedi were

flawed and broken, and that they had lost their

way. This is me reading into it. I mean, there's

one line of dialogue in Attack of the Clones,

where Yoda kind of offhand says, oh, these young

Jedi these days. But there's nothing really there.

And part of the problem is we as the audience,

have been trained by the original films to see

the Jedi as a good guy. We've listened to Obi

-Wan, and we've listened to Yoda, and we think

that the Jedi are good and pure. So the idea

that we need to take these guys out, it's weird.

It doesn't click with us. It doesn't resonate.

And then the Jedi themselves are weird, where

they're this weird sexless cult. They're basically

kidnapped as babies. It's all very weird and

none of it is explained. We never hear the actual

words of the prophecy You know, yes, there's

none of this. I think that's the story he's telling

but there's none of it in the film That's why

there's a scene in Mandalorian or Book of Boba

Fett like when Luke makes Yoda or makes Grogu

choose And maybe so that made me sad it broke

my heart because he's doing The Jedi thing and

I'm pretty sure the prequels were about the Jedi

were flawed and Luke needed to start a new thing

Like, and he was a new hope. He wasn't rebuilding

the old, he was creating the new. But he's making

the same mistakes that the old Jedi made. And

I almost wonder, I mean, given the way that they're

doing it, I wonder if that was deliberate, because

now it's supposed to be Rey, who's the bestest,

wonderfulest of all, and she's gonna create the

new thing that's better than everything. But,

you know, like, it's a huge flaw of the film

that we, as the audience, don't understand. this

really important thing that's going on in front

of us. Yeah. The Jedi need to be wiped out and

we don't know why and we're bothered by it. Yep.

So 10 podcast episodes from now and episode 77,

Dave and I will be talking about Star Wars. Originally,

it was called Star Wars. I know it's episode

four, A New Hope now with this whole continuity

thing and whatever else, but - Do you think that

the most uber of nerds call it A New Hope? Like

I don't know. I I don't know. I was I was six

years old in 77. It's it's Star Wars. It'll always

be Star Wars Like if you really get if you really

get if you're talking about all the movies, maybe

you'll stay up such for a new hope It's it's

Star Wars. Like just calm down. Yeah You not

you but I mean like other people get really like

it's a new hope like no, it's stars That was

that was the name of the movie Yeah and the reason

why I'm saying this is because I as a kid and

growing up so I was it was probably a decade

I didn't see Star Wars till I was seven or eight

years old 87 88 so it was a decade after it was

in theaters and I just want even then as a child

I wanted more out of that original film I wanted

it like like you mentioned just a few moments

ago about Ben Obi -Wan talking about the old

days and the this and the that and your father

was the I'm like, okay, show me. Well, we kind

of finally sort of see it specifically to the

films. We kind of sort of see it here. And that's

why back in 2005, I liked this one so much more

than the other two is because finally we get

to the almost practically the end of the clone

wars, but we see the clone. We see the war. We

see the turn. We see the this. So I like that.

I like that. Jimmy Smith's is still hanging around

as as Bail Organa, Senator Bail Organa. I think

that's cool. And obviously we know what's going

to happen with him in the future because he's

going to be the adoptive father of. I just don't

know. Princess really? How did that happen? Okay,

I think his wife was the queen. Oh, okay. Well

that that makes sense Okay But yes episode three

the plot Like you said, it's much more action

oriented, which is good. The story itself is

Is is okay. I like seeing Hayden act in this

one he's doing the best he can with No, I'm saying

he's doing the best he can with these lines and

I do think on this on this latest rewatch of

Revenge of the Sith that he does really really

well like he and this is of course after I've

watched Every other Clone Wars bad batch Whatever

rebel. Well, he wasn't in rebels, but was he

in rebels? No I don't remember. Well, I mean,

Artvayor was. Oh, yeah, that's true. So, you

know, I really dug it a lot more than I thought

I would, and I still cringe, though, at the end

of this, because I'm like, really? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I get what they were going for. I don't think

they stuck the landing. No. Poor, poor James.

And the funny thing is Wikipedia points out that

they did not credit James Earl Jones in this

movie at all for apparently previously used dialogue.

I could have sworn that was new dialogue. When

would James Earl Jones have said Padme? Exactly,

yes. That's what I'm saying. I could have sworn

that was new dialogue. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia

that can be edited by anyone. True. Including

crazy people. Very true, very true. What else

about this one? What's your favorite moment out

of this film? Like if you had to isolate one

thing, what's your favorite moment? When they're

on Grievous' big ship, command ship, And it's

falling apart and like the whole thing tilts

and like we see R2 in the the hangar bay and

like everything falls I don't know. I that I

think is kind of cool. I mean like he ends up

in this huge pile of broken droids That was a

little bit I thought was neat. Mm -hmm. Um, Jesus

I literally just saw this last week This is not

this is I'm not even trying to disporal I mean,

I like the I tend to like the little things.

Okay, I did like I did like the fight in the

In the Senate, I like I like yeah, that was like

the Palpatine's a crazy puffy -faced monster

man And he's just happy to be like causing trouble

like he almost falls to his death. He's like

Like I love him he's so happy being evil yeah,

like what the only issue I ever had I Love the

series and or I love that it's grounded. I love

that it's realistic. But it always kind of, there

was always this little bit that I got hung up

on, is the idea that everything in that series

that's very grounded, very realistic, very kind

of, you know, cool, revolves around this puffy

-faced monster man. Like, because the puffy -faced

monster man. Yes, yes, use your anger. I mean,

he looks like he's gonna, when he's confronting,

when Anakin confronts him the first time, Yeah,

he looks It looks like we're watching a different

kind of movie. Yeah movie. Yeah his transformation

is No, I mean like the acting like the acting

before that like when right like when he's he's

just like oh He is so excited that Anakin's pissed

off like like very excited But that's the beginning

like yeah, that is the beginning of it when he's

talking to Anakin We see him go from the senator

we knew even though we knew he was going to become

what he becomes in the first two movies the prequels

He's senator. He's by the third movie. He's Almost

ready to just completely turn and the mask. Yeah,

he pretty much drops the mask and then literally

Mace Windu lightning forces. Well Mace doesn't

do it but You know what? I mean? Like that always

confused me because I mean Luke doesn't end up

all messed up after being fried by lightning

So I always kind of wondered if it wasn't literally

a mask Like if he kind of just sort of like it

was an illusion or something and he just kind

of dropped it after being zapped Maybe I don't

know. Yeah, I've always wondered I know that

you think so the The help the the Emperor we

see in the original trilogy I know they wanted

to kind of obviously line up to keep continuity

to go with that Lucky because they had cast a

young actor and put him in makeup in Jedi and

then they bring him back at the right age Yeah,

no, absolutely but Yeah, I don't know I mean

I think It shows like his full I Am fully evil

now. I realized everything I have whatever I

Just am glad that eventually Close to the tail

end of this movie. He completely drops Lord not

what I'm saying, but the way I'm saying it Lord

they like There's a way you do it fairly well,

but there's a way Ian McDonough does it that's

not the deep. When he first gets disfigured,

it's kind of a deep voice. I like the more his

normal Emperor Palpatine voice over the deep

dark voice. I get you. Yeah. Oh, man. But he

is unquestionably. He's the best thing about

the prequels. Like, I think. Mm -hmm. Yeah, absolutely.

3PO and R2 really didn't have much to do in this.

I think the only thing... No, R2 flew in the

second movie, didn't he? He flew for like a couple

seconds in this one. Seconds in the beginning,

that's right. Yeah, because he uses his jets

to ignite the oil that he sprayed all over the

Super Grado drives. Yep, that's right. What do

you think of flying R2? I am not the biggest

fan, but I don't hate it. It's one of those things

and you've got to go, well, what happened to

the jets between the movies? Because there were

several moments where it would have been really

useful for him to have jets in the original trilogy.

Someone said it gets broken somewhere. Okay.

Well, I think what it is is that when Uncle Owen

gets the two droids from the Jawas and he tells,

and you know this, he tells Luke go fix the droids,

blah blah blah, do what you can, and they're

messed up. At least they're made to look like

they're messed up and we take all the continuity

into account. But they're messed up from wandering

around in the desert for a couple of hours. When

they're on the 10804, they look fine. I mean,

they're all shiny and new. It's just wandering

around in the desert is not healthy for robots.

No. And then he got shot and he got dumped in

the... I'm sure it's not the most sanitary place

to be in a sand crawler. No. So yeah, I mean,

they look like crap, but they've been, like,

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Famously, there's a story that he had to go back

with a second unit and shoot a quick shot of

Obi -Wan picking up Anakin's lightsaber. He's

like, oh yeah, I forgot that he needs that for

the next movie. It's just like, dude. Famously,

the thing that bothers me the most as a fan of

the series and as someone who likes continuity

is did a moment return the Jedi or Luke's like,

tell me about your mother, your real mother.

And Leah's like, well, she was very beautiful,

but sad. And he's like, I have no memory of my

mother. But on that stupid space, on that mining

station, Luke is the one that she holds. And

she dies. She never touches Leah. So that whole

thing makes no sense. I think part of that is

supposedly Lucas did not get along with Natalie.

and wanted her gone as quickly as possible. But

I mean, bring in what's her name from the Pirates

movie, who looks just like her. Just have one

scene where she's all sad and works as a handmaiden

at Castle Alderaan or something. I know Vader

would have found her in some bullshit, but you're

the one who wrote these movies. You know where

the puzzle pieces go. There's no excuse for that.

Yeah, there's absolutely no excuse for that at

all. I do like how this sets up what had already

come before it at the end with everybody going

off into exile, even though the Yoda going to

Dagobah thing was kind of a deleted scene, but

Obi -Wan taking Luke. Senator Organa taking Leia

and And all of that so I thought that was it

was a nice little way of kind of tying everything

up And also it also lightens the ending a little

because it is it is literally the hope at the

end, right? Yes, everything's falling apart,

but we still have this hope. Yeah, that's gonna

be okay We know it's gonna be okay because we've

seen the movies but the music swells and it's

like one thing about the prequels There are two

things about the prequels that I will always

defend that I think were an absolute good I love

the toys. I Love the soundtracks are so good.

That was Williams at his best Mm -hmm. Yes in

the future. We will be doing Star Wars Music

episodes here inside studio 2009. I don't know

exactly when we will be doing those but we will

be going back and Specifically talking about

the music itself. We're not gonna have to re

-talk about the movies because that's what we're

doing now but we're going to have separate music

episodes to talk about the music because it is...

It's hard. This is one of the things that I noticed

about Ahsoka, the series. I know we're doing

something on that, but it does tie in because

I noticed it during watching episode three. In

a lot of movies, the music will come and go,

and for dramatic moments, the music will kick

in. Star Wars and music is almost always there,

underlying every scene. And that's one of the

things that Soka gets right, or at least the

early episodes did. Not every moment of every

second, but the music is very omnipresent in

these films. It's almost like the lighting of

the scene. It's like they lit the scene, they

scored the scene. It's such a huge... Because

everyone kind of knows that music was a big part

of the movies, but you watch it again and it's

like, it is so... being a part of those movies.

I think it does a lot of the work that the directing

should have done, conveying the emotions and

the characters. It's hard not to undersell how

important that music is. Absolutely. I will bring

this up way, way later because all the music

episodes of the podcast that we will do will

be way in the future after we finish. What's

the rise of whatever? But I will say this here

and now since I did click on the the soundtrack

the way the tracks play in the film for Revenge

of the Sith Star Wars Revenge of the Sith theme

Track seven, which is grievous and the droids

track 13 2 6 5 8 4 11 10 9 3 12 14 and 15 So

the birth of the twins is 14 and then a new hope

and in credits is 15 I just absolutely love that

the one thing I do want to bring up really quick

on the film itself though is Okay, maybe I'm

reading too much into this and that's more than

fine I guess but Where Obi -Wan and Grievous

are fighting first of all Grievous has no lines

in this entire. He's just grunting and coughing

the entire time Maybe he says one or two like

But he doesn't have many lines like he had in

the previous two films Grievous yeah Grievous

isn't in the previous two films He's only in

there. Oh, that's right He's only in holy crap.

He's only in this movie That's that's the thing

is it was like mall was the aggressive Sith Lord,

right? It was the Fallen Jedi and Grievous was

the cyborg. They're all Darth Vader you get it.

Yeah Well, I get that they're all Darth Vader.

They add up to Darth Vader. Yeah, they add up

to him but and I get it if somebody tries to

rip open your chest you're gonna be angry too,

but I I don't know. I feel like if all this left

of you is a couple of organs, maybe you shouldn't

have a chest That could be pride open. That was

the one thing that kind of bothered me watching

it. It was so easy for him to pull this. First

of all, why do you have, what is it called, bifracted?

Why do you have a seam in the middle of your

chest plate that you can get fingers into? Why

not a solid breast plate? Why not a solid robot

body? Did he really need to be crawling around

like a crab so badly that you kept your two organs

left exposed? Yeah, Davis was very poorly this

I now the thing is I Already know from seeing

stuff about Vader that that nerds have gone back

and well, you know His body was built by the

Trade Federation and Duke who deliberately designed

it so that he could be easily killed if he needed

to be removed See see the Emperor deliberately

designed Vader's body armored suit to be vulnerable

to like force lady. Then Jesus Christ, I Love

Star Wars. Oh my god. I got my Linux. It's like

Was it not? Was the lightning not enough? Yeah.

The Foresuit was designed to limit Vader's powers.

That's why Vader never overthrew the Emperor.

It's like, uh, Vader was planning on it. He was

gonna. He had it on the back burner. If Luke

hadn't been a pussy, he might have been going

for it. Yeah. But I guess... I hear what you're

saying about Grievous. My problem with that scene

is that... Obi -Wan rips it open yeah Grievous

just kind of like glares at him punches him or

does whatever he does but like It's like he touched

his boob or something and I'm like wait What

how's the half robot half whatever else he is?

How does that thing have fear? I don't understand.

I just didn't understand. It's just weird. I

mean he was another because they're There's an

action figure of it. Uh, he was another species.

He just basically got like whittled down to like

I guess his head and Like two squishy things

in his chest. Um, yeah Like I like yeah, I mean

he was he was smacking over like I I kind of

like that fight because I like that Like every

time obi -wan punched him he was punching metal.

Yeah, like like the grievous was wiping the floor

with him Yeah, no, I like the fight it's just

that one part of the fight where I just kind

of like my brain goes into question mode like

I have so many It's like another 90s movie that

nobody likes questions questions. Mr. Wayne so

many questions You know, but But it's just one

oh I see you're making the Noise of the... Yeah,

got it. That man forever. Hey, it's better than

the other one. Okay, that's not hard. True, but...

I mean, actually, I liked it. I think most of

the hatred for that movie is retroactively applied

to it because of that man and Robin. Yeah. It's

like suddenly everything that Schumacher touched

was bad, because I didn't remember liking that

film at the time. I wasn't happy that they got

rid of... I wasn't happy that they got rid of

Keaton and they got rid of Billy Dee Williams.

I thought that was kind of sad, but yeah. Yeah,

absolutely. But yes, Revenge of the Sith. Anything

else we want to say about it? Anything positive,

negative and different? One another thing that

I really like about the prequels in general and

that I because I know that there's this sort

of meme about how the prequels are made or the

sequels have made the prequels look better. But

I kind of buy into that. One of the things I

love is all the like I was in the opening sequence

You get all these new spaceships, right? the

Jedi have their little star fighters that are

prototype TIE fighters and And then there's a

viewing at the end and then the the clones have

their really cool arc 170 which was like I saw

that and I was like I gotta have the toy Yeah,

so cool like all this cool shit and then you

get to the sequel trilogy and it's X wings and

TIE fighters Like, it's like, you know, 20 years

before Star Wars, they're flying these cool,

weird, crazy things. And then 30 years after

Star Wars, they're flying the same fucking things

that they had before. They're slightly different,

but it was just like, like I said, Lucas has

his strengths. And I think one of the things

is, while it bothers me that he couldn't keep

up with continuity properly, at the same time,

he wasn't afraid. To do his own thing to not

be not to be a slave to his own thing Whereas

obviously Abrams his whole thing is that he's

slavishly devoted to Lucas, you know That's the

problem I said earlier like bringing in a writer

who was a big fan of Star Wars that's a double

-edged sword because you can be like the sequel

trilogy and have nothing new to offer because

you're such a fanboy and and the reverse I always

point out is the guy who wrote and directed Rathicon

But one of the one of the key guys writing who

created Raffa Khan had never seen Star Trek Didn't

like Star Trek. I mean it's not he didn't like

it But he just he had no opinions of Star Trek,

right? He brought him in as a fresh person and

and what he did was he sat down He watched all

the shows, you know, which ones are the best

ones what what about this show works? Like he

you know, cuz every time they bring in someone

who like I'm not a fan of this people the fans

get angry, right? Yeah, bringing in an outsider

outsider, but that can give you a new if you

come in with respect That can give you a fresh

perspective. Whereas, like, again, Abrams obviously

loved Star Wars, but, like, just didn't have

both the guts and the vision to push beyond what

had come before, if that makes sense. Right.

Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah, that does make sense.

And I just, I don't, which, we're gonna get to

it, folks. We're three episodes away from the

sequel trilogy. Three episodes of the podcast

in general not not in a row but I Don't know

because so for me with with Abrams There's one

thing I know two things that I know he's known

for the lens flare. Yeah, and the exploding heads

He always has a chip in somebody's head that

explodes so When did that happen in the Star

Wars movies? Ironically, it was Anakin in episode

one who had a chip in his head. Well, that's

what I'm wondering after Mission Impossible 3,

like when in his... Yeah. When you were talking

about Wrath of Khan, are you talking about Nicholas

Meyer, Jack B, Swords, or Harvey Bennett? I think

it's either Meyer or Bennett. Okay. Cool, cool,

cool. I'd have to go back and reread the story,

but I know that one of them they brought in,

because the first movie made a lot of money,

cost a lot of money. The line was something like,

can you make this movie for less than 30 ,000

or 30 million dollars? He was like, God, yeah,

because back then it was 1981. He was like, Jesus,

yeah. He was a TV guy. So it was maybe it was

Bennett. He was a TV guy and he sat down and

he watched all those shows and just like, this

is what works. I'm repeating myself now, but

yeah, I like that story because Rathacon is Actually

my favorite movie of all time. No Very cool.

Very cool Wren's of the Sith had a hundred and

thirteen million dollar budget and it made just

over eight eight hundred and sixty eight million

That's that's like for for 2003 that's our 2005

that's obscene Yeah, like they're making they're

making Marvel shit almost for that kind of money

these days. Yep. But yeah, it made it almost

made a billion dollars. It was it was as bad

as the prequels hurt the brand. They were still

Star Wars. Yep, absolutely. All right, folks,

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we are back here inside Studio 2009, Episode

66, Order 66, 12 months of Star Wars, Episode

3, Revenge of the Sith. Now one thing we brought

it up, like one little thing to mention we brought

up, I think before we started recording, is of

course famously, Return of the Jedi was originally

titled Revenge of the Jedi. Yeah, and then I

think it was Gary Kurtz or Frank Marshall said

yeah Jedi don't get don't aren't the kind of

people who seek revenge So it was famously changed

at the last minute. So it was kind of for fans

It was a neat little thing. This one got to be

the revenge movie revenge of the siff. It was

it's like poetry it rhymes Yep, the famous Lucas

quote, but just I just you know I don't know

who comes to these things whether or not they

right, you know, they might not well No, I'm

just saying I don't know this could be old news.

This could be new news Something's always new

news to somebody Yep. Do you have a Revenge of

the Jedi poster in your house somewhere? I have

enough crap in my house that I've got to be worried

about burglars, that I am going to quietly not

answer that question. Okay, well, so that means

he does, folks. Yes, I have a Revenge of the

Jedi poster. Yes, yes. And it's a real one, too.

Oh, good. Yeah, those things did not cost as

much as I thought it would. Okay. Well, now you're

just going to make me ask how much did it cost?

$300. Oh, well, that's not bad at all. I mean,

for what it is, for the movie prop that it is,

for something that didn't end up being called

that, that's a pretty damn good price. All right,

folks, GCR and Universal Ratings system 0 to

5, what are you going to give Revenge of the

Sith, sir? No, no, no, no, I'm just like, I mean,

it's the best. Okay, it's the best of the prequel.

I'm gonna give it a 3 .5. Okay, I'm right there

with you. Because I think there's enough stuff

I like about it that I want it to be a positive

rating, but it's still a prequel. Yep. Oh, trust

me, I'm sure we will get... Way into the negative

ratings. Oh It's like it's like we'll hit a peak

with the next three episodes and then oh it goes

down fast Although we're like like, you know

The spoiler alert for you know later seven months

from now. I Kind of like last Jedi there are

things about it that I like again, it's like

it's like like the prequel where there are things

about it that I like but I don't think it was

the overall package was handled well and Ironically

the things that I like about it are kind of the

reasons that riser Skywalker is a god -awful

mess so I The overall the the narrative there

is that Disney should have had a goddamn plan

Because that movie's so much more fun when you

assume it's like a cliffhanger like like last

Friday. It's like a cliffhanger. We're like You

assume that like the cars going over the cliff

and the people who are riding the thing Know

how he's gonna get out of the car and then they're

like we have no idea how he's getting out of

the car No idea like no idea like oh that this

makes the other movie less fun And I Okay, I

know we have on the geek cast radio network I

know we have an episode from 2015 when force

awakens came out Somewhere on the website. I

don't even know if it's still active on the website

or not because it was in a podcast that We don't

really do anything with anymore. So I don't know

whatever I would you know again jumping over

the original trilogy because we've We will be

talking about it and we have talked about it

in the past so much on the network. I remember

Brief I barely remember what Force Awakens was.

I know it's technically supposed to be... It's

Star Wars. Did you watch A New Hope? Yes. You've

seen Force Awakens. Yes. I remember some of Last

Jedi. I remember nothing of Rise of Skywalker.

So it's like I'm going in fresh with those three

films. Like actually paying attention to them.

Like you said, Force Awakens is essentially Star

Wars. you know, and that's fine, but the other

two like I Okay, no, I take that back I remember

seeing young will young beer and only because

I have the Funko pop young bearded Luke and old

man Luke those are the two things I remember

from last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker I think

the only other thing I I remember and this is

a Tertiary opinion at best Finn got a raw deal.

Oh my like Like no, you don't understand like

there's this narrative which I resent that Star

Wars fans are racist and got mad that a black

person was cast in a Star Wars movie If you've

ever seen the movie attack, I think it's either

attack of the block or attack of the block It's

a British film. It's like a club. It's it's an

homage to classic 80s monster movies. Have you

seen it? 100 % recommend. John Boyega is in that.

He is fucking amazing. And when I heard he was

cast in Force Awakens, I was out of my mind happy.

Because whatever else you say about JJ Abrams,

and I will say a lot when the time comes, the

dude should have been a casting agent because

he's a genius at casting actors. And he's actually

a good director. He's just not a good writer.

Again, know your skill set. He's not a good writer,

but he's great at casting and directing. Boyega

is fantastic, and he is so utterly failed by

what he was given to do in the Star Wars movies.

It is depressing how talented this kid is, this

young man is, because Attack of the Block was

a long time ago now. Attack of the Block was

2011. Okay, that's like 12 years ago. Do yourself

a favor and listen to me about these movies.

You need to watch these movies, man. They're

good. I'm looking at the Wikipedia article right

now to make sure I can file it away for later.

Absolutely. I'm not dismissing your recommendation

at all. I was trying to make sure I had the correct

information. You haven't gotten back to me on

RRR yet. RRR. Well, we're doing Star Wars, man!

Look, RRR is better than the last three Star

Wars movies combined. And it has Balin, who's

the only good thing from Ahsoka, and it has Alison

Doody from Last Crusade. So there's Lucasfilm

connections. There you go. And it's sort of apparently

based on a real thing, which is... Yeah, weird.

Because it's very... Yeah, it's very... Action

adventures. It's a kind of it's it's a Star Wars

movie. It's not a Star Wars movie It's a Marvel

movie without being a Marvel movie. It's it's

amazing. Like I I will not shut up about it.

I love it so much Although it's like nine hours

long. So like you gotta be prepared. Oh So it's

longer than the Batman. Okay, no, it's only like

three hours long but but it's kind of broken

up like you there's a part where you can go take

a break and take a bathroom and and then come

back to it, so but man, okay, I'll stop. Revenge

of the Sith, 3 .5, it's the best prequel, stuff

happens, it has consequences, it has weird little,

I mean there's the little joke about mind wiping

3PO, which still doesn't explain why R2 doesn't

know anything. Yeah, that's very true. Like the

pieces don't connect properly, and as I said,

that's weird because the same guy's making these

movies, like you would think they would mesh

perfectly, lot of cool stuff. A lot of bad stuff.

The prequels are a mixed bag. Retrospectively,

I guess I'm glad he made them. At least we know

the story now. What I always say about the sequel

trilogy and the prequel trilogy, the prequel

trilogy has a story to tell, and it's not necessarily

told in the best way. The sequel trilogy does

not have a story, but it's told in a very slick,

well -produced... It's cool. I know we're on

another podcast. I was complaining about like

Michael Bay and This is a guy that everybody

stands for even though his movies are terrible.

Oh Like like it's it looks cool. It's very slickly

produced. It's well directed and well cast but

like there's no There is no story to it because

they didn't have a story. They didn't have a

plan So it's like on the one hand you've got

and in the end, I think I prefer a story that

is interesting and compelling that may not necessarily

be told in the best of ways. Absolutely. And

I am just realizing, like, I knew one thing she

did, but I just realized, yeah, Alice in Duty,

I love her a lot. Because there are at least

three films where I'm like, oh, I remember her

now. I'm sure you know this I did not know this

because I do not remember this but her film debut

was in a view to a kill as Jenny flex Honestly,

I only know her from last crusade last crusade.

I gotta look this up. I never saw I'm not I'm

not I'm not a bad guy Well, I like the old I'm

an old man and I like my old James Bond This

was yes, this was Roger Moore 85. I know what

it was. Okay. I was 14. I've seen the Duran Duran

video, sir. I'm aware Christopher Walken is Zorn.

I'm aware that Grace Jones is in it. I'm aware

a blimp is somehow involved. So the other reason

why I love her besides the crazy Nazi lady she

plays in She's Austrian. Not everybody in wartime

Germany was a Nazi. She just burned a few books

and you know, it's fine. She was also, and most

people will not care about this other than me,

she was Anne -Marie Athos in the TV movie Ring

of the Musketeers starring David Hasselhoff and

Cheech Marin with John Rhys Davies. Along with

her Corbin burns and so I can tell oh my god

There is no so there is no direct Wikipedia article

for ring of the musketeers, but I know this movie

by heart The movie sounds amazing. Yeah. Yeah

I know completely facetious. It's like wow So

when hell the cast how do you feel about? The

overall musketeer thing I am supremely indifferent

to it. Okay I'm aware it exists. Okay, but you're

not a fan, but you don't hate it. Oh, I don't

hate it. No. Got it. Okay. So, Ring of the Musketeers.

Hasselhoff is D 'Artagnan. She is Athos. Oh.

Rhys Davies is... Oh. Porthos? No. Was he? No.

Was Athos, Porthos, and D 'Artagnan? Yeah, and

Aramis. Oh, I forgot about Aramis. The only reason

I know Porthos is because that was Archer's dog.

Think Thomas Gauss got stock or got gots chalk

was was poor thought I'm gonna have to look it

up on IMDB, but basically she's Athos The Hoff

is is d 'Artagnan Cheech Marin is Aramis That

is casting yes John Rhys Davies plays the guy

that sends them out on mission I forget I look

man I I don't know who the M of the freaking

Musketeers is. That's a little deep lore for

me, buddy. But yeah, it was a made -for -TV movie

from 1992 when I was just growing up with Knight

Rider. He was Maurice Treville. You're right.

There you go. You found it faster than I did.

And Russ Armstrong was a skeptical kid. But yes.

Star Wars. Oh yeah, that thing. Yeah, Star Wars.

Yes, the thing. Three and a half all around.

Absolutely. Coming up next, Inside Studio 2009,

my buddy Mike Laidman and I are going to do a

25th anniversary episode all about Metal Gear

Solid, the PlayStation era of the Metal Gear

franchise, since that is turning 25 this year.

After that, we've got a couple episodes in December.

In December, people will be able to hear us talk

about Andor's Season 1. So that'll be that. And

in January of next year, we've got... I'm actually

breaking my rule and doing two Star Wars episodes

in one month. So it's gonna be longer than 12

months, but we're gonna do Solo and Rogue One.

It is my birthday month. That was for my birthday.

And one of those is pretty good. Yes. We'll get

to it. No, no, no, no. I'm actually interested

to re -watch Solo, because I remember it was

a weird time in my life, and I couldn't really

focus on the movie too much. So I remember kind

of liking it. I'm kind of interested to revisit

it. I've revisited Rogue One a couple of times.

and still fucking love it. But solo, I'm down

for that. This is one of the things I agreed

to do this because I'm like, I kind of want to

go back and revisit this stuff, you know? And

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