Ahsoka Season 1 Episodes 1-4 Review

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to talk about Season one episodes one through

four of Disney Plus's Star Wars Ahsoka Yay, yeah

So yeah just the facts for Ahsoka It's set after

the fall of the Empire Ahsoka follows former

Jedi Knight Ahsoka Tano as she investigates an

emerging threat as a to a vulnerable galaxy,

so Everybody was so curious when she showed up

in Mando season two. Oh, this is Ahsoka after

because Mando is literally Yeah, it's literally

like right after because because Elizabeth is

is just being transferred. Yeah after being captured

so right so this Specifically is after however

everybody was so confused because Ahsoka showed

up in Mando and Mando is so far flung into the

future after Jedi Five years is far -flung? A

lot can happen in five years. You know this.

Dude, it was five years. Five years from now,

I don't know if I'll probably still be podcasting,

but five years from now is pretty far -flung

to me. Okay. I don't know. Far -flung, it rolls

off the tongue. Leave me alone. I'm an old man,

damn it. So but that was the question was where

is this and it's obviously literally picking

up right after the end of rebels Because of what

happens with Ahsoka and what happens with the

rebels and all that and that's why all the rebels

characters are here so All right, let's let's

get into this the our history with the franchise

in the show I watched the cartoons. Did you watch

the cartoons? I did not. All right. I watched

like the first three or four seasons of Clone

Wars. OK. And I really started to get bored.

Like it's just like it's because by then it was

like four or five years after Revenge of the

Sith. Right. It's like we know how it's going

to. I mean, it was interesting at first. I thought

they did a lot with it. You know, I think Clone

Wars made the prequels much, much better. Mm

-hmm because they fight because the movies don't

flush anything out. They just boom boom boom.

It's like the cliff notes Yeah, and so you've

got to see Anakin as a hero, you know as opposed

to like there's a creepy weirdo Who's angry all

the time you got to see him be heroic and good.

There's even an episode Called Bombad Jedi that

I really genuinely feel kind of redeems Jar Jar

makes him a good character But it was just like

look nothing's ever gonna go anywhere Cuz we're

gonna go to episode three eventually like it

can't develop yeah like and and that's always

been like the the Achilles heel of the entire

prequel thing is I think by focusing on Anakin

and Obi -Wan you focused on two characters whose

fates are written in stone And it really should

have focused more on Padme whose fate you really

didn't know and what little you did know was

apparently completely inaccurate because George

Lucas didn't get along with Natalie Portman Right.

So instead of Leia having memories with her mother,

she's off being held by one of those weirdo close

-encounters aliens while Padme holds Luke and

then dies. Continuity. Continuity, people. The

one thing I'll say about Clone Wars, because

I have now watched all of it, all seven seasons,

is that I absolutely agree with you. There's

only so much you can do with Anakin and Obi -Wan.

But they had so many other characters in Clone

Wars that they focused like they sold not soul

focus But for Jedi stuff in the Clone Wars specifically

until she denounces the Jedi spoilers Ahsoka

is kind of the main character for for the Jedi

and that's my point She should be because she

is the wild card you have no idea what happens

to her exactly like and that was to me that was

the really fascinating thing was what was gonna

happen and then the show just kept going and

going and I'm like Like are we ever gonna get

anywhere? Is he's ever gonna do anything? And

then it turns out surprise it turns out She has

a duel with Darth Vader and then gets the biggest

ass pull in Star Wars to be saved. Well, I'm

traveling special chamber. Hooray Do you like

Ahsoka as a character? Yes and Unlike a lot of

people that seem to have a big problem with the

show I don't mind that she's different as an

adult than she was as a child because I've lived

a human life and I'm not the same person I was

when I was 13, which is good, you know, like

I can see you know, like, you know, everyone's

complaining Oh, she's so stoic and cold and blah

blah blah and she was so perky and yeah Yeah,

she was perky before the Clone Wars before everyone

she knew died Mm -hmm and before her master and

father figure tried to murder her gee. She's

not as fun anymore It's one of the one of the

complaints of the show that I really don't Buy

into is she's a different person at 50 than she

was at 13 Who isn't and if they are the same

person there's something desperately wrong with

them Speaking as a guy whose house is completely

decked out and crap from his childhood Well,

I think so. You've brought this up before when

we've had conversations about how you're not

the same person as you once were. Like, yeah,

the whole point of growing up is that we grow.

However, I will say for me personally, yes, I

have changed. Yes, I have grown. Yes, I have.

I don't have the same, I most of the time don't

have the same asinine opinions I had when I was

13. But for the most part, I'd like to think

my fundamentals that I was taught, that I grew

up with are still there. And I am still that

same person. I'm just older, a little bit wiser,

maybe, maybe not, who knows, depending on what

my bank account looks like kind of thing. But,

you know, because we all make poor decisions

and bad choices and, and yeah, but whatever.

But like, I do agree with you that I'm not the

same I'm old and jaded at this point, but I'm

not the young, angry, teenager kid who went through

state's custody in Kentucky for five and a half

years because of stuff with my parents and everything.

I've gotten over that negativity. There's been

other negativity. What I would ask you is, because

we've established that you're a big fan of the

character, and you've watched Clone Wars and

Rebels. So, I think you would be as good a better

judge than I am. Like, do you think this character

as she is now, played by Rosario Dawson, is a

fitting end point, not an end point, but a fitting

current point for the character from the journey

she's taken? Like, because, you know, she's different

than she was at 13, but like, is there still

elements of who she, I think there is still elements

of who she is. You see those little grins and

those little kind of, You know, I think she's

playing it cool partly because that's the role

she has to play as a Jedi, as an old, you know,

as opposed to like, you know, she can't just

be as a sassy kid anymore, but she's still the

same person. I would assume she still has the

same, I mean, the show really hasn't gotten there

yet, but I mean, I would assume if she was faced

with a decision that she would behave like Ahsoka

would behave. I never think she's a different

character than Ahsoka, that's all I can say.

Even though she she's she's she's matured Yes,

that's yes as a person as a character as a whatever

Whether it's fictional or real life as long as

we mature as we aged We can still kind of be

a child like like you said we surround ourselves

with all these plastic things that essentially

mean nothing half the time Unless it's you know

means something to us as a character from when

she started to when she ended in Rebels? Absolutely.

She grew a lot. And picking up from that ending

and going into live action, like you said also,

we're only four episodes of the eight episodes

into this and I'm waiting for something. Like

we kind of got a hint of it. And yes, folks,

there will be spoilers in this. We kind of got

a hint of it at the end of episode four of the

show because when we get there, I got the thoughts

about that. All right. Well, we'll see. We'll

get referred back to earlier comments. Yes. Zone.

Yes, yes, yes. But what I like about her interactions

with that character is that. Well, we've barely

seen any. Well. Okay, I'll rephrase. In Rebels,

when she has interactions with that character,

it's shocking to her because she sees the transformation

from who she knew him to be to who he becomes.

I know you're not going to watch Rebels and that's

fine. I've got screenshots I can show. There

is a perfect image of her screaming. Just screaming

because there's a there's a cartoon on Facebook.

I don't know where it's from but it's You might

have even seen it where it's like it's it's Ahsoka

and Luke I guess they meet for one of the first

times and Luke tells her that in the end Anakin

turned back And she breaks down and cries She's

like my master came back and she breaks down

and cries because she's so happy that you know

in the end He was redeemed. Yeah, so I'll have

to find that one. But yeah, I like her as a character.

I think her characterization, because they're

still using her, is not done yet. But I do think

that she's got four episodes in a movie, so.

True. But she doesn't make it to Rise of Skywalker,

so. Because her voice is one of the voices that

calls out to Rey at the end. You know. Gotta

go back and watch that again. It's gonna be torture

But I gotta go back and watch that again because

I don't remember a lot of rise of Skywalker Yeah

And oh man look I know because nerds pointed

it out and like oh, I think it was Ashley they

used her voice. Oh She's one of the voices at

the end that calls out to Ray Yeah, I love Ashley

as the voice and I love Rosario as the character

now. I think that is so, so cool because Ashley

can kind of stick in the, like, whenever I see,

because I follow her, I follow James Arnold Taylor,

I follow Matt Lanter, I follow all the voice

actors on Instagram. either she will do it or

one of them will do it on one of their stories

on Instagram and they will all be at a convention

or whatever else and she'll you know throw hey

sky guy and all this and everything else I just

love seeing them be the characters as them you

know as their real selves kind of thing but I

love that that that she's the animated voice

and Rosario is is the live -action voice and

it works I really think it works for the character

and We're gonna wait and see this to see what

happens with the character What a level of a

fan were you before heading into the prep work

for this? Okay, let me just make a little toast

before we begin That is my r2d2 toaster which

we mentioned on an earlier episode it's over

on toy cast folks you'll hear that There's There's

a photo on my wall. I've got this one wall in

my house It's like the family wall with pictures

of all my my distant relatives and my family

and there's a photo of us in 1977 in Florida

because my grandmother lived there and I was

staying in a hotel room with my cousins who were

all teenagers and They were all excited. They

had just seen this movie and it was this great

movie They're gonna go back and see it and I'm

little six -year -old me and I'm like, oh can

I come with you and they're like? No you wouldn't

like. And that movie was Albert Einstein. I mean,

that movie was Star Wars. Yeah. And one of the

things is back in the day, they didn't have like

the big everything releases on the same day kind

of thing. So technically, even though everybody

had seen it first, I saw it opening day in Durham,

North Carolina, like it came to Durham eventually.

I saw it opening night. And I mean, I had all

the toys. I had like I had I had everything.

I loved it. We've talked on Dave and Deval's

Toys and Collectibles a lot about how the 70s

in particular were a bad time for children and

family entertainment in general. We had Watership

Down. That was a kid's movie. We had that Raggedy

Ann and Andy movie that was depressing as hell.

The 70s were a very weird time. The studio system

had broken down. You had a lot of au tours. You

had a lot of grown -up movies, though. You had,

like, The Godfather. You had The French Connection.

You had, you know, Apocalypse Now and all these

movies about Vietnam. But it wasn't a very kid

-friendly time until Star Wars came along, and

it was a very... This is one of the things I

was trying to get at when we were talking in

one of the toy casts about Rebel Moon. It was

very family -friendly. It had a very friendly...

You know, like, kids could watch it and experience

the magic, you know? So, yeah, I mean, it was

a big thing. And the thing is, Star Wars came

out... My parents were still together. We lived

in North Carolina. I was headed towards advanced

placement in school. Empire came out. The first

image I saw from Empire was in a psychiatrist's

office because I was in family counseling because

my parents were splitting up. It was a picture

of Luke on the Tauntaun in Time Magazine. And

Jedi came out. I was in Springfield. My mom was

a single mother who worked all the time. And

dad was gone the dog was gone the cat was gone

the house was gone i live in this neighborhood

that was out of a steven king story was scary

as teenagers who love to pick on the little fat

kid. And star wars was the glue. That held my

world together i mean literally it was the thing

i held on for and i would buy those those you

know like star logs and other knockoff star logs

with the pictures the mccrory concept art from

return of the jedi that give you a weird glimpse

of the sale bar you didn't know what it was.

It was, you know, like, I watched the Ewoks cartoons,

I watched the droids cartoons, I watched the

two movies live and taped them. You know, and

I have every issue of the Marvel comic, which

is why I think all this jabbering about canon,

how Disney is evil because they got rid of the

expanded universe canon. I mean, they did that

once already. Like, there was a whole canon leading

up to, like, 9089. And then Dark Empire and Air

to the Empire came out and started a whole new

thing. I've seen Star Wars universes burn and

be thrown away like trash. There's nothing new

to me. And yeah, I was in college. I know Dark

Empire came out before college, and then Air

to the Empire came out when I was in college,

because I remember going to the Grand Union,

which is a grocery store in New York, to pick

up a copy of Air to the Empire. So yeah, Star

Wars has always been this huge part of my life.

I am going to Disney World in October, November,

specifically for, even though nobody likes Galaxy's

Edge, I'm going there for Galaxy's Edge to see

the Millennium Falcon. Touch the Millennium Falcon.

But that's, you know, because everyone told me

to wait a year. Everyone's like, oh, wait a year,

wait a year. Well, I waited a year, and that

put us into 2020. Yes. So, yeah, thanks, friends.

Well, I mean, they did they did save you from

not being infected. So no, they didn't. Because

like if I had gone the year earlier when there

was nobody there, because famously it was under,

you know, it was a year before covid. Right.

So I would have gone and there wouldn't have

been crowds and I would have been fine. I wouldn't

have gotten to see the stupid rise of the first

order. But I don't care. I'm not going to bother

with that. I know my friend Jason would be very

upset because he's a He's a Disney stan. He loves

that in that imagineering stuff. He wants to

write it just for the technical stuff. I think

he has written it by now. But like, I don't I

don't care about the First Order. Like, I just

I don't I don't because because the the ad ads

are wrong. People always get mad at me. I'm like,

the ad ads are wrong. They're they're vintage

ad ads and they should be those those gorilla

looking things from from Last Jedi. It's wrong.

It's all wrong. Everything wrong. Everything

wrong. But yes, point being Am about as crazed

a super fan of Star Wars as you can get even

though I haven't seen rebel even though I haven't

seen rebels and I haven't seen all of Clone Wars

I haven't read all the books because I got to

a point where the books got so bad But if you've

read dark fleet trilogy, that was terrible. And

then I read death troopers, which is the zombie

one. Oh, no Yeah, and I don't know like first

of all, they don't they didn't understand the

rules of a zombie thing cuz they were like But

by halfway through, like not even halfway through

the book, a third of the way through the book,

there were two characters left. I'm like, okay,

you have to have a cast of characters to whittle

down. And then, and then they're on a prison

ship and they open up a, open up a cell and it's

Han Solo and Chewbacca. And I'm like, okay, well,

you know, these two are going to survive. Like

there is no tension in this book whatsoever.

Well, I mean, you know, like, okay, you know,

Star Wars and zombies are stupid. It could have

been good. Like if they had been a good zombie

story, but it wasn't because it was, You know,

you always got to have like a cast of characters

and there's always gotta be one guy who gets

bit and there's always those are gonna turn and

I Just it was I got I got burned enough that

I'm like I'm done I'm done every like George

Lucas famously said the movies are canon Everything

else is rumored and I was like if it's good enough

for Papa George. It's good enough for me All

right, there you go, I like I like far worth

I like turtles and I like Thor Mr. Dave Draper,

there you go. I am kind, like, I don't know.

I didn't, because I'm nine years younger than

you are, so I was born, I was born the year the

Empire took over. I was born the year we went

to Cloud City in 80, so I was born when Empire

came out. A few months before Empire came out

actually but eventually I Would see them all

I remember seeing the first movie and At the

end of it. I'm like wait they get a medal and

everybody goes home. That's it. Really. That's

the end of the damn movie Really? This was me

at six years six seven eight nine years old and

then my mom showed me Empire and I'm like, oh

Okay, all right. Well There we go. Then I saw

Jedi and personally Jedi is my favorite not because

of the Muppets What I like about Jedi is it combines

more not necessarily more than the rest but Always

because we lived right next to the woods in Massachusetts

kind of thing is where our house was So I always

liked having adventures in the woods and just

you know pretending with fake swords and whatever

and all that stuff They weren't laser swords.

They were actual like King Arthur swords anyway

So Jedi has that perfect mix of space battle

and forest battle for me, so that's why Jedi

is my favorite Plus I like when stories end I

like seeing what the ending of a story is going

to be I don't I'm perfectly fine with a cliffhanger

as long as you come back and end the story Kind

of thing. So I think I think good endings are

undervalued by storytellers these days Because

you always want you always want people people

even write movies like the Marvel movies are

written like a TV show So there's never an ending.

There's always because you always gotta get the

next episode. You always gotta get the next one.

It's like Just give us a there's very there's

a lot of satisfaction in a solid ending the journey

comes to its conclusion and you can like just

let out a Deep breath and relax. I Don't think

people appreciate that properly. Yeah, no Like

you look at I'm gonna name two different 80s

movies that I know off the top of my head you

look at the dream team with Christopher Lloyd

and and and all those people about the psychotics

who escaped the mental institution and all that.

You look at that movie, you look at Throw Mama

from the Train with DeVito and Crystal, that's

a one -off, that's a beginning, middle, and end

story movie kind of thing. I miss that. I love

that we have had these giant spanning universes

between Star Wars and Star Trek and Marvel. DC

to some sort of extent but Marvel and Star Wars

specifically James Bond, even though it changes

every movie which is more than fine because different

adventure different whatever that's fine That's

not a problem, but I'd miss and I think we're

coming back around to this I miss that one movie

one story thing But that's that's more like even

when Star Wars came out It there was no I mean

until it became a huge hit obviously there was

no right here. We're getting I mean the whole

point of The Star Wars was radically changed

because there was no guarantee of tomorrow like

yeah, like the whole endorse famously Endora

was supposed to be Kashyyyk and the Wookiees

were supposed to be the Ewoks and There was a

whole ending that was like based on his experiences

now that he had gone to Vietnam But you know

Lucas was was prepping apocalypse now Right Francis

Ford Coppola kind of stole it from him And so

all that stuff about the Ewoks that's that's

based on Vietnam and it was supposed to be the

Wookiees and then you know He couldn't do it

all in one movie So he did the movie he did that's

why it ends with the medal ceremony and everybody's

happy But he left just enough out there to come

back movie became a huge hit. He did Empire and

he did Jedi And I was going somewhere with that

but like but you know, but the movies like, you

know, there are four jaws movies There should

not be four jaws movies. There's you know Because

Jaws tells its own, like most movies tell their

story and then people want, Hollywood likes to

make money. So most sequels are the same story

over again, only slightly different. Die Harder

in an airport, you know? A different shark attacks

Amity. Freddy Krueger comes back because the

one way to destroy him wasn't the one way to

destroy him, and this way is the way to destroy

him this time. You know? Robocop comes back because,

you know, well he didn't, I mean. Why not? Some

of it makes sense, because RoboCop is a cop in

New Detroit. Why do we need more ventures? Yeah,

some of it makes sense. And then some of it doesn't.

And that's OK, and that's fine. And sometimes

it's good. One of my all -time top five movies

is Aliens, the second one, because that was an

evolution of the original plot. The original

plot was a monster on a haunted house in space.

And the second one was one of the quintessential

80s action movies. Yeah, and and then they went

back to Monster in a Haunted House and have kind

of done that ever since What others this is three

there's four alien movies right not counting

alien versus predator There were there are four

original ones then then the two AVPs then Prometheus

and then Covenant. Oh Let us never speak of them

again. Yes, exactly So the answers in some other

movie Right in some other movie that we'll do

in 50 years when neither of us will be around

That's a tagline from Prometheus. There will

be answers and the movie literally ends with

a quiet ends with a line. Let's go find answers.

It's like Oh God that's yeah, that's definitely

a Fuck you moment. Wow. All right, so Let's talk

about the time. Yeah Well, let's talk about the

time length of these things. So, so far we have

four episodes. First one was 57 minutes, second

one was 44, third one was 37. Everybody was like,

oh my God, it's only 37 minutes. And then the

fourth one is 41 minutes. I don't have a problem

with any. I'm like, oh my, they must going to

be sticking a lot of stuff in that third episode

for 37 minutes, because I'm used to the Disney

Plus shows being somewhere between 47 and 57

minutes. Because the whole point of paying for

Disney Plus, specifically the higher tiers, is

that you get no ads at all. That's the point.

Ad free television. And that's what I love. So

I'm perfectly fine with 44 minutes, whatever,

whatever, whatever, whatever. But I remember

everyone was like, Oh my God, 37 minutes. This

isn't, but I'm like, shut up and just watch it.

And they put a lot in that third episode. You

know, ironically we talked about rewatching the

series and then I kind of got distracted by the

time the third one came up. Um, well, I mentioned

before we started recording stuff came up and

it really, you know, I hate to say this, it's

not a bit. I swear to God, this is not a bit.

That's wait, that's the one where they they they

find the big ring in space and get shot at right?

That's the one that's the one where she wears

the pajamas in space and like does kung -fu.

Yeah part. Yeah time. Okay. Okay time to flies

third episode I saw the name and I got as far

as because I was kind of curious I got as far

as a scene on home one only have the stupid civilian

home one, which is the actual ship from return

the Jedi Yeah, nice continuity and black bar

ship where they have the stupid civilian leaders

of the stupid New Republic, who literally every

Disney Plus show now is about justifying that

moment in Force Awakens, where they wipe out

the New Republic. This made me angry. The first

time I saw it, it made me angry. I'm a huge fan

of Andor. I love that show. I think it's brilliant.

I realize it's not for everybody. But I thought

it's the best thing Star Wars has done since

Empire. And in that show, Mon Mothma literally

sells her daughter to a gangster so that she

can continue to fund the rebellion and build

it. And now it's like, oh, gee, this person who's

a decorated hero who knows her stuff is saying

that there's a danger. I think I'll go pick my

nose, derp. All of a sudden, these people are

worthless idiots. And we already know from Mandalorian,

they're torturing people. It's this massive dump

on everything George built. It's like, the New

Republic sucks. So we've got to build a newer,

better Republic. And they don't even have the

weird modern excuses, because Mon Mothma and

Princess Leia were two of the architects of the

New Republic. It's almost like this weirdly reverse

modern politic thing, where the women built this

terrible, terrible, terrible place that's filled

with traitors who hate it. And even that, like

the second time around, I was watching the second

episode where it's like, why would people be

loyal to the empire? Have you seen Mandalorian

season three? Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a little

crazy. So yeah, so she, yeah. So in, in episode

three, since we're, since we're here, we, we

go to home one, we have all the politicking stuff.

Cause you know, how do you not have. Have politicking

in Star Wars because it always is and pretty

easy called the original trilogy. Mm -hmm very

much so We get to that they're approaching setos

and I was not expecting it to be spelled the

way it is. I was expecting something else, but

that's just me Okay, how's it spelled like I

don't have it it's spelled SE, it's like C, like

Atlantic Ocean. It's S -E -A -T -O -S. I was

expecting like C -T -O -S. D -E -T -O -S, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I was expecting like C -T -O -S kind

of. I don't know. I was thinking in droid letters

and numbers at the time. But Mike, it's got a

big ocean. Get it? Sea -toes. Yeah, I know. I

hope that's not the actual explanation, because

that would make me sad. Make you sad that you

guessed it? Wow. It would make me sad that that's

dumb. Yeah, true. But I just pulled that out

of my butt like being a smart ass, and it's the

actual explanation. Well, it's got a big C. Let's

call it sea -toes. Please no. Please. Please

no. Please let's have them look at the script

and go, oh, wait. No. Well, I guess we've got

to run with it now. I didn't say it out loud.

I didn't think it through. Now it looks stupid.

I love the dogfight in this episode. Okay. I

just, what I love about it is we get Star Wars

dogfighting and it's just, it's awesome. You

got the six star fighters including Shin Hati

and Marek converging on Tano's T -6 shuttle.

You've got Hu Yang. the others And then you've

got para doing her thing With with Sabine and

all that I just I really dig it because I love

the aerial dogfighting. It's such great Aerial

acrobatic combat stuff Yeah, but my problem with

that scene and the scene earlier where they're

doing the the training mm -hmm is it was just

Too on -the -nose member, but I literally expected

a so could turn around and go great kid. Don't

get cocky Is that scene it is and But yeah, I

mean it just it felt very like hey you guys it

felt very member Barry, you know in a way that

I think More so than most of Disney's like I

know Disney stars gets knocked for that but like

this was like literally the scenes the actions

the beats of they're in the little guns and they're

swinging around it's like You could find some

other way to do that. I don't know. It's just

to me. It was a turn -off Okay, and you mentioned

the the training scene with with Sabine and and

Ahsoka How can I fight if I can't see was that

Ahsoka or was that Star Wars? same one Literally

the same one It is you are absolutely but I liked

it because it's Okay, I'm gonna say this and

I'm probably gonna get in trouble. Luke is a

dumb farm boy when he puts that helmet on. Luke

is a moron. I mean, for most of the first film

especially, he's dumb. Yeah, he's dumb. I don't

think Sabine is dumb in this instance. She's

angry. Whereas when Luke put it on, he got a

little whiny frustrated, but he wasn't angry

because... He was not the character that Sabine

is he isn't coming from being The Mandalorian

training and all that stuff and everything else

so that like I completely agree with you Yes,

the Ahsoka Sabine scene is essentially a copy

of it's a version of the old Ben and Luke on

the ship with the thing but it's better because

it's on a It's on a bigger ship. It's them, not

in a confined cockpit area. Fighting inside the

Millennium Falcon, that's really, really close

quarters. These giant ships of this new republic

here. Like you have whole areas where you can

just spread out kind of thing. So you never know

where. Partly because that's like the whole seating

table area retracts at the floor. Yeah. But you

also never know where Ahsoka is going to be.

And I liked watching that. I liked watching Sabine.

I don't want to say she failed. No, she failed.

To me, that's the whole thing about this arc.

And as sort of a side note, you had mentioned

that there was a special making of, and so I

watched that. We watched that kind of at the

same time, actually. And I'm now more convinced

than ever that this whole arc with Sabine is

like trying to remedy the complaints about Rey.

Ray has it too easy. Ray can do the Jedi mind

trick without even knowing that the Jedi mind

trick was a thing. You know, Ray's a Mary Sue.

Ray has everything handed to her. And then Sabine

has nothing. Like she can't do any of it. She's

got no natural skill, no natural talent. And

I was like, okay, are they gonna go where at

the last minute she does a thing and like she

can suddenly use the Force because she has to?

Surprise. Or is it gonna be that she can never

use the Force? And that would be an interesting

twist, like she finds her own way that doesn't

involve being a Padawan. Because Jedi training

can have presumably other uses. So I'm now more

convinced than ever that Sabine will turn out

to be able to use the Force, because there's

this whole seven -minute special on Disney Plus

about masters and apprentices. And so it's going

to be at the last frigging minute Sabine will

use the Force probably to pull her lightsaber

into her hand. And ta -da! I think that scene

would be more interesting if you dealt with the

whys. Asoka has a line about how her being angry

and frustrated is screwing her up. There's always

this thing in the prequels especially, Yoda never

wants to train anyone older than an embryo. Like,

too old, too old, too old, too old, you get too

old, too old. Well, like, I kind of get that

logic of it, where, you know, they're set in

their ways, they have a view of the world, you

must unlearn what you have learned. And Sabine,

particularly, has been trained as a Mandalorian

warrior, right? Or has been trained as a Mandalorian.

Yeah. So, like, she's got all this other training

in her head. And, like, it should have been,

like, she's fighting like a Mandalorian. And

Ahsoka's like trying to explain how to fight

like a Jedi, how to think like a Jedi. More importantly,

how to think like a Jedi. It's not about fighting,

it's about feeling the force. But she doesn't

say any of that, she just hits her with a stick

over and over again. And normally, to go somewhat

off topic, that was my favorite episode of Heroes.

It was the one where Doctor Who shows up and

beats the kid with a stick, because he's stupid.

Peter Prelli beats him with it, like I love that.

Abusive Doctor Who was the best character in

that show. But like she's just I mean, it's kind

of cool that she's walking around tapping, but

she should have said something given direction.

All she does is sort of tease and humiliate somebody.

And it's like you're not learning. It's like

at the end, she goes, oh, don't get angry. It's

like, thanks. After I failed and falling on my

butt, telling me what I should have done like

the whole thing is the force is you reach out

with your mind, you reach out, you calm yourself

and. The tapping with the stick, the distracting

is a distraction. Like to test you. But you have

to establish that you're connecting with the

force in the first place, because otherwise you're

just being a jerk and tap. There's no teaching

in that scene, where everyone's talking through

that whole scene. Reach out with your mind and

calm yourself and kind of see through the force

and feel things around you and be aware of your

surroundings. Whereas there's none of that in

that scene. It's just... There's a helmet that

she can't see and she's being stimulated and

she fails. Like Luke, by the way, succeeds at

the end. He tags the drone. Yeah. Because he's

a Mary Sue and he sucks. No, he's not. No, I

think now in 2023, why I like everything other.

Everything else in Star Wars other than the Skywalker

stuff is because I've been so beaten over the

head with the Skywalker stuff for 50 plus years

kind of thing like Oh my friend my friend I was

there in 1977 yes I know a long road no I know

and I agree I'm not saying yeah I absolutely

I agree the other thing we should probably mention

you know, dedicated to Ray Stevenson because

he passed away, so Balen probably. I don't know

how much he got filmed before he passed. I kind

of just assumed he filmed the whole thing. I

would assume so. He died on May 21st of this

year, so if filming didn't... Oh, that would

suck. Finish by then, it would absolutely suck.

Because I know we're on a script, but he's the

best thing about that. There's a moment in episode

four, which I'm not as big a fan of the show

as you seem to be, and I won't say it redeemed

it, but it got me interested enough to keep going

with it. There's a scene at the very end where

you get a sense of this character. he's he's

really interesting like he's Something kind of

different. I mean, I like I like an honorable

villain Yeah, my problem is that there's been

no backstory on him Almost none like I guess

the the robot trained him or the robot knew him

as a young Padawan Yeah, the dr. Who robot camera

his name. He's got some weird name who yang who

yang who yang mentions that he had he had Yeah,

he knew a young Padawan who had that same lightsaber

and he knew his name but like there's no backstory

on him There's no I don't know what his relationship

really is because I thought he was a mercenary

Because at the very beginning when he rescues

the mean lady Morgan She says, you know, they

make a mention of the getting paid heavily But

all of a sudden he's got like weird visions of

glory If Thrawn comes back and I'm like, I don't

understand how that works. That's it's very underpants

gnomes It's like, step one, rescue Thrawn, step

two, question mark, step three, glory and fortune

and power. Like, I would almost like it better

if it turns out there's something else there

that he's actually secretly after. Yeah, that

would be cool. Because one of the things I do

like about the show, because initially I hated

the map. I thought it was stupid. And then in

the second episode, they put it in the Stonehenge

and you hear the whale sound. Yeah. And I thought,

OK. It's not a map to Thrawn that these ancient

aliens figured out. It's the roots of the whales.

Because I know how Thrawn got taken out at the

end of Rebels. He got kidnapped by space whales.

So I knew that. So I was like, OK, it's a map

of the whale's migration route. That's kind of

clever. And I like that. And then they confirmed

that in the third episode, that it was the map

of the migration route. I'm like, OK, that's

clever. I like that. I like that it's just coincidental

that the map can fits with what happened. Sometimes

coincidences are good for a story. As opposed

to having a knife that if you pull a little Swiss

Army knife thing out, it perfectly matches a

piece of wreckage on a moon of Endor that's been

sitting in salt water for 30 years. Somehow those

two things match perfectly. That movie was so

stupid. Stop with maps. I think they pulled it

off in a silica. You redeemed the hunt for the

map storyline kind of okay it's done you did

it right you had three tries now you had the

map in in force awakens you had the map in rise

of skywalker enough maps we've done maps maps

are good leave maps alone if mandalorian if mando

and grogu are looking for a map in season four

i am walking away is there even going to be a

season four because doesn't pedro want to not

do it any like i thought that and If you want

at some point Like I have always wondered do

you need him? I don't like it way too Cuz cuz

most the time it's John Wayne's kid as a stunt

performer in the in the outfit or his grandson

It's it's some relation of John Wayne is a stunt

performer in the outfit Okay, um cuz Pedro doesn't

like to walk around in the outfit. Let him go

Okay, his voice is not that his voice doesn't

even sound like Pedro So like just get someone

else to dub the you could get someone else to

play Mando. I know Favreau has said that there

are scripts for season four that they've been

written. Maybe because of the strike, he'll have

a chance to do like a second draft as opposed

to season three. Maybe next time, no matter how

much like people really are huge Star Wars fans,

like don't cast them. I got yelled at, I didn't

get yelled at, but I got snapped back on that

one I complained about. I didn't even know, I

knew Lizzo was a person who existed, but I didn't

know when I was watching that episode that it

was Lizzo. I just thought it was a very bad actress.

Okay. And then and then Jack Black was like over

acting for the both of them. And I thought they

were both bad. And then someone was like, Oh,

you know, Liz was like a huge Star Wars fan.

I'm like, Okay, that's fair. But like, be a background

care. Don't be a main character if you're not

good at it. I would, you know, Daniel Craig was

in a Stormtrooper helmet in Force Awakens. Like,

you don't got to be the force, the main the main

character, especially if you're not good. Yeah,

and she may be a I'm not familiar with her music,

but she may be a great songstress Yeah, she's

not a great actress Yeah, and jack black all's

that guy knows and I like some of his films,

but all he really knows is playing Over the top

playing himself. Yeah playing a character of

himself a cartoon of itself Okay, it's not a

bad thing. But you know, I didn't need it in

Star Wars that but that that character Wasn't

that role? Like there was nothing about being

the consort of the queen or whatever she was

that needed that Jack Black energy. He wasn't

like a galactic con man or he wasn't like a galactic

rock and roll star or whatever. He was just this

really overly Jack Black character that was just

a guy that was with the queen. There was no reason

for it and I realized that people are random

and maybe there's a guy with a queen that's crazy

and over the top, but it just, it didn't work

for me in general. And the two of them together,

it really took me out of the episode. And then

frankly, I didn't think Christopher Lloyd was

very good in that episode. Like I think he was,

but he, I think he was just there to get a pay.

Yeah. I think he was just there to get a paycheck.

Not that he didn't do well. He did okay for what

it was, but it wasn't like it, it wasn't like

them try. Oh, we, we. grabbed a flying DeLorean

out of a different universe, out of a different

timeline, and here's Doc Brown. It wasn't Doc

Brown, it was... No, no, and his character was

kind of interesting, like he had an interesting

take, but I felt more, it's like watching an

actor you really like who's really, this is gonna

sound terrible, I'm an old man, I'm limping around

the house, but you feel sorry for a moment, like

when their performances sound like they're in

pain, and his sound like he was a hurting...

I know who would like I hated a Richard Harris

and the Harry Potter movies Because because especially

that character is so full of life and he was

dying at the time and he sounded like he was

dying at the time like just you Cringe when you

watch it. It's just and that's sad because I

really like that actor and I don't want to like

think of him in peen and sort of prodding on

set and saying the lines and This is me Yeah,

I don't like it when they Do that kind of like

if you can still do it like yeah You know if

you can still do it if it's even if it's just

a guest role or a guest spot and it's like of

like oh What's the? What's the best example of

I? Don't know I've gone I've gone off if he is

again if he if okay, so if he was still alive

today Okay, and you'll I'll tell you that he

was in a moment if he was still alive today and

somehow they fit him in To the Super Mario Brothers

movie the animated one. It would have been great

to hear Bob Hoskins voice Somewhere in that movie.

Yeah, but since they but my point in saying that

is that Okay, I get it would be it would be a

nice little Easter egg Right. Yeah, there's a

huge difference in Easter egg rolls versus guest

rolls versus Maine. And I just don't, I don't

know. Well, you know, like we literally have

an example in the show, which is, you know, like

you watch the show and you have no idea that

Ray Stevens' time is ticking down. He's in great

form. If you've ever watched, I keep pushing

this on everybody, there's this fantastic movie.

out of india called rrr ray stevens is the villain

is it ray stevens ray stevens i'm probably sounding

like it's ray it's ray stevenson he's the villain

in that um and he's amazing and then allison

duty from um last crusade is his wife in that

movie and she's she's even more evil than he

is and it's this fantastic movie like he gives

a great performance in that too so yeah i mean

it's just i i just don't want to cringe when

i see somebody i like the thing Yeah, exactly.

No, but he is the best thing in the show. I really

hope like that was a weird curveball to throw

I really hope that they finished filming with

him Again, I don't I don't have any information.

I I haven't looked up like to my knowledge I

haven't seen on Wikipedia like oh my god he blah

blah blah but I'm gonna have to look it up just

to make sure that you know heaven forbid I say

something wrong on a podcast and People are like,

Oh my God, how did you get this? I don't know.

All I know is he passed away and here he is now

being a bad ass Jedi, whatever he is in a Soca.

So he's a villain with honor, which is an interesting,

and he's a smart villain, which is again, kind

of precious rare where he knows her weak point

and he presses it. And then in the end, he, he

keeps to his word and that's, that's really cool.

The show had my favorite, that episode had my

favorite moment in the series so far, and he's

favorite moment in the series so far. Okay, so

what was your favorite moment? My favorite moment

is when he talks Sabine down and then his apprentice

tries to kill her and he's like, stop it. I gave

her my word. That whole sequence is great. You

really don't know which way she's gonna... I

mean, I guess you can kind of guess that Sabine's

gonna give over the map, but like you don't really

know, especially if you're not super familiar

with the character, you don't really know which

way she's gonna pop or where it's gonna go. For

story reasons, I kind of suspected she'd hand

over the map, but I think he made a convincing

enough argument and the fact that he kind of

calls off his apprentice afterwards reinforces

that he was being sincere. It makes that moment.

that that was a great moment that's and it made

me immediately wish I knew more about this character

and I made me wish that they would do a vintage

series figure of this Son of a gun instead of

just the black series. Yeah, cuz I want I want

the toy like that's that's that's always the

highest compliment I can give a show or movie

is when I go I want the toy I want it I want

a figure of him. I don't like black series. Okay,

I can Probably tell you that it's going he's

probably going to be in all eight episodes Because

according to Wikipedia filming lasted six months

and wrapped up in October of 2022 according to

this So he passed away in May of this year May

the may the Sith be with him. I don't know but

may the force whatever you get it Yes, absolutely.

So episode four, part four, Fallen Jedi. Wow.

Oh, that's like a, that's like a double thing.

That's a clever little. Uh -huh. Because we've

got a Fallen Jedi with Balen and Ahsoka Falls.

Ahsoka Falls, yep. And there's a sentient fur

cloud. Yes, there is. Oh my god, that was just

okay. So that's like that's one of those that's

where the show Fails, I think really I mean that's

not my least favorite moment by the way because

I was thrilled that there was a sentient for

cloud but like To go back to one of the things

we were saying about the the promotional film

the seven -minute promotional film before we

start recording we mentioned that Kathleen Kennedy

shows up and She says you can watch this show

without ever having to see anything else and

I was like no No, you can't. No, I would absolutely

not recommend it. I'm barely hanging on because

I'm enough of a Star Wars uber nerd that I know

about the rebels crew from Osmosis. I know who

these people are because I follow enough Star

Wars chatter. And I'm having issues with characters

and motivation. The idea that I had to read an

article on Gizmodo about Dathomir witches when

they possess people or they bring back the dead

like when they when they when they most people

die they release a green cloud yep i didn't know

that like i literally thought that the asoka

ripped his containment suit and he was a gas

creature or something i didn't know any of that

and like and the show itself never explains it

and it's doubly funny to me because the whole

what hype was there what hype was there in the

media for asoka was who is this guy Is he Ezra?

Is he the guy from the video games? Who is this

guy? And he's a far cloud. I wrote when I forget

when but according to this it was August 30th,

but It was Okay, it was when episode 3 Got released

so I wrote this and I think I put it on several

social medias had all caps and then dot dot dot

all caps no spoilers I am so glad that I did

marathon through rebels because Ahsoka is the

series that is not for the general public that

hasn't already watched rebels it is definitely

for those of us who have watched that cartoon

series and the rest of of the Ahsoka stuff so

yeah I I completely see where you're coming from

where you're like oh god I have to go look into

this to figure out what is going on and that

is not good but it also like I'm perfectly fine

with something being specifically for the fans

that have actually watched the previous thing

that character was in. I'm also perfectly fine

with something brand new that you have to really

like what is it Rogue One. I remember watching

Rogue One back in 2016 when we did an episode

of it on some other show that doesn't exist anymore

on the GCRN. But I did not give two craps about

Rogue One at all because I didn't know anything

about any of the characters. The only thing,

and that opinion is probably going to change

because you and I have to discuss Star Wars stuff

off air. at the time in 2016, 2016 Mike didn't

give two shits about Rogue One until a certain,

you know, beautifully blacked visaged guy with

a red lightsaber shows up. The fanservice, yeah.

Uh -huh, the fans, exactly, because I knew nothing

about any of those characters. However, going

forward, I'm going to try, because Andor happens

before the events of Rogue One, correct? Yes.

Yes. I'm going to watch. If they do season two,

I mean, they were working on it and the strike

happened. So season two is supposed to end right

before Road 1. OK. So I will watch Andor. And

then I think maybe you can tell me whatever.

I will watch season one of Andor. And we could

do an episode if you want to. And then I will.

If you want to. Yeah. As big a fanboy of Ahsoka

as you are, I'm like, I love. that show. I love

Andor. I'm up for giving it a try. My concern

is I think it flew under the radar, which is

why it's good. And now the evil one, now that

it's gotten a lot of hype and a lot of like a

lot of a lot of reviewers, not necessarily fans,

but reviewers, which that's really good. I'm

worried that the evil one will take notice of

it and want to improve it. I'm like, leave my

baby alone. It's precious. Wonderful. But the

thing is, Mike, how do you What's any movie then?

Like, because nine times you walk into a movie,

you don't know who these guys are. I'm looking

at posters for Buckaroo Banzai and Big Tribble

in Little China right now. Did you know who Jack

Burton was before the credits rolled? Did you

know who Buckaroo Banzai was? Did you know? No.

Almost every movie you start with a blank slate.

True. One is a blank slate for Star Wars. So

it's like, I don't know, I don't get that. I

don't have a 10 -year history with these characters,

so I don't have any attachment to them. I've

got a buddy who's got that attitude with Android.

I'm like, how did you watch Team Space Nine?

Because you loved Team Space Nine. But Cisco

wasn't in the original series. Yeah, and he wasn't

in Next Generation either, so. Yeah, well, he

hated Next Generation. Oh, Lord. He's one of

those guys. he's coming around but like his whole

thing was that's that's a different different

captain it's not kirk it's not spock it's not

my star it's not my star trek but then by d69

he had kind of accepted that star trek moved

on you know he got into that like the thing with

world one is like yeah okay they are all new

characters it's a new story but like dude like

do you have to have the same characters in every

story no but i want to have I want to be able

to get attached to the characters. I want the

characters for me to be likeable to me. And when

I watched that movie, at least what I remember

from fucking seven years ago, I did not enjoy

any of the characters at the time. See, Cassie

and Andor are like Merck's a guy within like

the first five seconds of meeting him because

he's a hindrance. I'm like, I like you. And then

the Chirrut, who's like the, he's not a Jedi,

but he was one of the guardians of the Jedi temple.

Oh, he's so good. He's such a cool character.

Cause he's not a Jedi, but the force is with

him, which I think is like, I could spend an

entire episode yammering about the force and

about how it's being treated and how fans seem

to think that only the chosen ones are allowed

to have the force. Only if you have a million

midichlorians can you have the force. And stupid

Disney is making it so people who aren't special

can use the force. It's one thing that I think

they teased in Last Jedi and didn't really develop.

And it makes me sad because I think the force

is generated by all living things, which to me

means that it belongs to all of us. We all generate

it. It's the ultimate communism. We're all part

of it. We're all part of this huge Ocean of energy

that that we create and we bring into ourselves

and we pass on and I think You know one of the

frustrations I have about the prequels is that

we know that the Jedi order was was destroyed

because the force willed it Like that's that's

that's pretty much stated. It was it was it was

it was flawed and it needed to be destroyed But

they never explained how it was flawed and why

that decision was made by the force. It was just

like, well, it needed to get wiped clean. To

bring balance to the force, you needed to wipe

out the Jedi and the Sith. So why were the Jedi

flawed? Well, what did they do wrong? And I guess

in one of the novelizations, which I don't remember

reading, but Yoda kind of reflects on that. He's

like, we've, we've drifted too far. We, you know,

we've lost our connection. You know, cause there's

a whole thing about you're not allowed to be

with other people. You're not allowed to love,

not allowed to have connections. And that's a

weird thing for a group of people that like serve

life. I think that was, if you pay attention,

that was kind of Qui -Gon's thing. He was a servant

of the force. He served the living force. And

everyone else is a Jedi master. They're mastering

the force. And I think that's the difference.

I think that was the difference between the Sith

and the Jedi was that the Sith were like, this

is a thing we control, not a thing we serve.

And I think the Jedi kind of went down that road.

They used that mastery for benevolent purposes,

but they lost the idea that they're the servants

of the forest rather than the masters of the

forest. None of this matters because in the stupid

book of Boba Fett, Luke Skywalker is like, you

have to choose between being a Jedi or having

people in your life, Grogu. Thanks for learning,

Luke. Glad you died pointlessly. So seven years

later, I am willing to give Rogue One a second

chance, but only after we watch Andor, because

I want to see Andor. If Andor comes before the

events of that movie, I need to see... We've

talked about this on and off air. I want to see

the beginning of the story kind of thing for

that character. So that's all stuff in the future,

folks. But it's not just the beginning of the

character. But the the secret of and or is not

it's not the beginning of and or it's not the

beginning of the rebellion The trick is that

you don't even notice until you suddenly realize

it. The trick is it's the beginning of the Empire

Right at the beginning of the show. There's a

thing called the Galactic Empire and at the end

of the show there's the thing from Star Wars

and You see it be born and it's really cool and

it's really clever how they do it and again I

this is gonna sound weird and it's gonna sound

very snotty And it's really not meant that way,

because I think Star Wars, as I've seen earlier,

Star Wars is for everyone. Star Wars has a very

childlike thing, which is not a bad thing. To

say that something's childlike always seems like

an insult. But that's part of the magic. That's

part of why Star Wars will stick with me when

almost other things won't. Because it's that

childlike sense of wonder. It'll always connect

with you. Andor is for grownups. Who love Star

Wars. It's a grownup take on things. And it's

still got, like, It's kind of got space battles.

It's got you know, it's got action in it. Yeah,

but it's it's it's thinking about things, right?

And it's thinking about like It pulls this gloriously

nasty trick halfway through where you're like

rooting for a character and then you realize

what you're rooting for like it's very clear

what you're rooting for and you're like, oh no

You have chosen poorly But it's it's I Love it.

It's always gonna be my special baby. I hope

season two gets made and I hope it's as good

as season one That really revitalized me in a

big way because that came right after book above

a fit and I think it came after Obi -Wan I can't

remember cuz I remember Obi -Wan just left me

Dead inside. Yeah, let's not. Yeah, so anyway.

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Yes, so episode four, Fallen Jedi. Yeah, I they're

basically trying to stop You know Thrawn from

from coming back And they're gonna fail like

part of my problem is you know, they're gonna

fail. Oh, yeah. Well, they have to fail in order

to succeed and so yeah, well, that's the thing

like The problem is as a fan of Star Wars and

even though I didn't watch rebels I did read

the the Timothy Zahn books back in the day. So

I know who Thrawn is yeah and I kind of like

him as a character. I mean, he's basically Sherlock

Holmes. He's Sherlock Holmes and Pallian is Watson.

Oh my goodness. Goodness gracious, Thrawn. You've

done it again. But like, as a fan, you want to

see Thrawn. You want to get to Thrawn. You wish

that the sequel movies had had Thrawn in them.

So like we're rooting against our heroes in a

way. We don't want you to stop them from getting

Thrawn back. We want to see Thrawn. Like like

stop just put your just just let them do it let

them do their thing. This would be interesting

and cool We'll have a cool. I mean we like this

one guy, but we like thrown pre -built. We want

you to fail Yeah, and I think they are gonna

fail. Oh, they're absolutely gonna fail. Yeah,

they're there because you like you said There's

a movie coming and we need a villain for it that

people care about like this whole show Is the

is the and or if you will uh -huh to to a rogue

one? That will probably be called heir to the

Empire like Disney would be stupid not to call

it that but it'll be thrown threatening the New

Republic right at this point the shows have made

me hate the New Republic and We also know that

the classic characters aren't gonna be in it.

Yeah, it's gonna be I mean they've said it's

the end of the Mandover so Mando will be in it

a soca will be in it Boba Fett might be in it

Definitely what's her name the girl from book

the the min min one ying Yeah, but it will probably

be in it like everyone everyone they can get

from the Disney plus shows those three shows

particularly will be in it It'll be the end game

of the Disney plus shows No, well, I mean that

that's how you sell it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there'll

be a soca and baby grogu fighting together Against

the menace of thron and that's right I mean,

I can already see, I can see they'll make the

Naguri, I don't know how to pronounce it, the

weird monsters that serve Darth Vader. They'll

be aliens from the other galaxy, or the Yasmari,

which are the creatures that block the Force.

They'll be from the other galaxy, and that'll

be Thrawn's secret. Because that was the whole

thing, is he found these creatures that block

the Force. And that's why Luke couldn't touch

him, because the Force didn't work on him. That's

why the figure comes with these weird little

yellow monsters that... that kind of you pose

on them. They're creatures that were hunted by

force using monsters, creatures, keep saying

monsters, but monsters are more interesting.

They were hunted by force using creatures, so

they developed a force blackout zone around them.

And he used that to protect himself. And by the

way, he was not the heir to the empire. Leia

was the heir to the empire, which they kind of

forget. This is going to sound mean. I don't

know if Loney's read those books. I don't know

if he has either, but I like what he does. I

think he has talents. Yes, absolutely. So, yeah,

episode four, they do the hyperspace, they do

all kinds of stuff and everything kind of happens.

And, and... Hera brings her child into battle.

Which I know, which for some reason bothers a

lot of people more than it bothers me. I'm like,

what was she supposed to do with the kid? Leave

him running around unsupervised on home one?

Mm -hmm. Yeah. I do love that he has the line,

the line that we all know, love, and maybe hate.

I've got a bad feeling about this. No, he just

says he's got a bad feeling. He doesn't have

to be about this. OK, well, yeah. I was hypersensitive

to that. Was it good for you, or bad for you

that he said it? It wasn't either. It was fine.

It was like, OK, I get it. And his dad's a Jedi,

so he makes sense that he would. Again, his dad's

a Jedi, so he's going to have Jedi powers. That's

how the Force works, is it's medieval nobility.

Your dad has to be a Jedi for you to be a Jedi.

You can't just be some normal guy who has the

Force. That's not how that works not special

I Do love and this is a little bit earlier but

in the when the the the transport was was escaping

when they were all that my favorite is Hera and

chopper are going back and forth Can't just shoot

it down it would crash into the port city Just

ready a tracking device. And don't miss this

time. No, I did not go through your stuff. Did

you look under the backup battery? See, I think

that's a that's kind of like it was a cute moment

and I enjoy it. Yeah, but like. I'm not dying

of laughter because I don't have that connection

with those guys. It's not like, oh, those two

guys fighting again. It's a cute moment. It's

not a bad moment. It's a cute moment. It's funny.

His little head arms do a little hands on hips

thing. Like, no, you messed with my stuff. No,

I didn't. Yes, you did. Yeah. He does say, yes,

you did. Yes, he does. He does. In that tone,

too. Yeah. And then that. That is what I love

about it. And the way I see it is that Hera and

Chopper are the Clone Wars rebels, whatever you

want to call it, whatever we're calling this

part of the universe. They are the Han and Chewie

kind of thing. I was just about to say that.

But I mean, I think it's the way that Han and

Chewie's relationship was in Star Wars versus

Empire. Because when Empire and Han's calling

them a Laugh it up you fuzzball like they like

it's funnier because you've seen them together

before you know the depth of their friendship

Where I'm coming into this relatively new I knew

that I knew that chopper was saucy. Yeah, he's

a saucy robot, but I Again, I think there is

always this wall there because they just Really?

Like you were saying with and or like you you

didn't know who this guy was. It's like I don't

know who these guys really are I'm open to being

introduced to them. It's a cute scene, but I

don't think it hits unless you're a fan. It hits

as hard unless you're a fan. For Ahsoka the character,

if you don't want to go back and watch the rest

of Clone Wars, because you said you watched four

or five seasons of it, it's only got two more

seasons after that. Rebels is only four seasons,

and I think you would like it. Have literally

never heard anything but good things about it

from other Star Wars fans. So the end of this

the end of this episode here Yeah So so she fell

off the cliff because you always get to fall

off the cliff and well, she's a fallen Jedi.

That's right She awakens in the world between

worlds Which is a thing that I only know about

because people complain about it from rebels

Yeah, and someone who isn't familiar with rebels

is gonna go Did she just get the soul stone?

What happened? Am I wrong? Because they don't

explain it at all. They don't explain it at all,

but again, I personally think this show is specifically

being done for... those who have watched Rebels

and who know the events of that and everything

else. I've been a Star Wars fan my whole life,

and I didn't really watch Rebels. How many people

watched Rebels? One of the best things I can

say about the show is also kind of a knock, which

is it looks fantastic. It looks like It looks

like they spent hundreds of millions of dollars

on this show. But if you make a show that's just

for the super hardcore fans that watch every

episode of Rebels, is that worth it? Is that

a smart move? I mean, it's cool if you're a Rebels

fan, but if your Disney was that, I don't know.

I don't know. I mean, I don't have the numbers

in front of me for rebels, but I mean, they're

bad or not rebels Oh, yeah, you know who knows

what the no I don't even Know hey, we know that

it's only gonna be eight episodes for the first

season So it may never get a second season and

as long as they know it's not supposed to it's

supposed to get a movie like Oh Well, that's

the whole point. It was supposed to set up Thrawn

as the threat for the movie that Dave Filoni

is going to direct. That's absolutely going to

happen because Disney is not going to go bankrupt

as its stock plummets. Yeah, you never know if

it's going to. Well, no, that's the thing is,

as we were talking about movies earlier, you

made Jaws never knowing if it was going to make

money. Yeah. And like you, you don't make TV

shows. I mean, this is a flaw of the MCU. You

don't make things just assuming you're gonna

get it tomorrow. Yeah, you know you used to make

movies to stand on their own Yeah, and then if

there was a tie -in it was cool like like with

the with the Marvel stuff It was the end credit

thing was supposed to be the little and then

suddenly you didn't see the whole movie to see

the next movie you had to watch WandaVision to

see dr. Strange you had it like People don't

like doing a homework for their entertainment

They just don't So she awakens and he said, you

know, he greets her by saying hello snips and

she calls out to him and he did not expect her

to see her back so soon and You just said he

didn't expect to see her so soon because has

she ever been there? Well, she was there with

Ezra. Yeah, she was there with Ezra. Yes No,

Anakin wasn't there then but they have this Connection

in It's in Clone Wars and then late is it later

and I'm trying to I gotta remember where I gotta

look at my screenshot Titles because I tried

not Darth Vader until the end of Clone War until

the end of Clone Wars Clone Wars. Yeah, so Yeah,

I gotta look at that again. Anyway, that's in

Clone Wars end with Order 66. I want to say yes,

but Execute Order 66. No, it has Order 66 in

it. Well, okay, not counting flash forwards,

like quick little flash forward snippets. I mean,

the arc of the story ends kind of with the end

of the Clone Wars, right? I mean, hence a clever

name. It does, but it doesn't because it has,

like, Order 66 happens during it, if that makes

any sense? That makes sense. Okay, so Order 66

happens during Clone Wars and because they have

the Bad Batch and everything else and all this

and all that and how the Bad Batch weren't affected,

whatever else. And they also go through in Clone

Wars and they talk about how Rex fixed his chip

or fixed his whatever so he didn't... Do the

whole changing over to the obedient slaves that

the the the clones ended up being most of them

So yeah, I don't know. Well, they set that up,

right? Okay, isn't there an episode where a clone

ship goes off or clones chip goes off early?

And they're like, hey, whoa, what's the deal?

Yeah Yeah Marathoned it and I don't remember

all of it now. I remember a friend told me about

that episode Yeah, I just I just assumed that

like Rex kind of was like, okay I don't want

this thing in my skull anymore. Oh, yeah Yeah

that that happened and they did remove the chip

from from Rex and they removed it from Some of

the other ones but like the way the if I remember

again folks from remembering incorrectly Just

just correct me I remember correctly the bad

batch didn't even get turned because they had

some other whatever I forget. So yes, the fourth

episode of the series or the mini series or whatever

we're calling this ends with the two of them.

And I can't wait for episode five because they

have to pay this off at the beginning of if they

don't pay this off at the beginning of episode

five, we're going to have problems, Disney. Okay,

what do you mean by pay it off like they have

to do something at the beginning of episode five

They have to continue it from this point of her

seeing him something by by Definition they do

I mean, yeah, like they'll have a conversation

like my fear They'll have a little conversation.

How you doing? How are the kids? Oh, you know

get caught up on things and then because it's

a magical realm between the worlds Ahsoka will

use it to get to the other galaxy. Because I

mean, how else is she going to get there? Right?

Yeah, I agree. It's Ahsoka's series and like

all the other cast members are on the other side

of the universe. So like, it's going to be this

massive ass pool where it's like the it's like

the Nexus in Generations. It's like, like, you

know, I need to leave. Where do you want to go?

Well, I want to go here and meet you. How else

do you get? Like, are you really going to have

two or three episodes with Ahsoka? like nowhere

near the main cast. Not dealing with anything,

then just why not call it Sabine? Yeah, that's

very true. I mean, they might not do that. I

mean, it's sort of like a no -one situation,

because if she just hangs out on the side of

the galaxy, what is our title character going

to be doing? Yeah. Yeah, I want... I don't know.

Don't know what I want. I want something that

Doesn't clear up the cliffhanger but just some

little button -up kind of thing and then maybe

he gives her away or shows her a way to get from

the world between worlds to the Because the way

the other people are getting to the other galaxy.

They have this whole point to point to point

to point to Wormholes or whatever the fuck it

is Well, yeah, and they they have big honking

they have like six big honking hyper drives Yeah,

like it's established that it's not an easy thing

to do No, it's not an easy thing to do So it

shouldn't just be an easy like hop skipping a

jump for her, but I want like you end this episode

Because this episode of the podcast won't be

out until Probably the week of episode five coming

out because I haven't forbid I put a podcast

out Oh my god, and we already said spoilers at

the beginning of this folks. If you don't know

then it's your own damn fault But I'm probably

gonna put this out like early next week right

before episode five comes out because I want

to Like yeah, I want to see a little bit more

with them and I think it's gonna be really cool

to see Rosario and Hayden acting on screen as

the characters that I've seen throughout the

entirety of Clone Wars. Yeah, I'm just really

excited about it. To see what happens. At this

point, I want to know, I want to see more of

Baelin. I'm invested in his character, where

he goes, what his arc is. I want to see Thrawn

in live action. Again, like I said, the ironic

crux of the thing is I want them to fail and

I want the villain to come back because my fear

is that I'm right and that this whole thing is

a setup for the movie and it's going to end on

a big cliffhanger. Thrawn is back and he got

away from us and now there's a threat to our

beloved New Republic that gets wiped out in 25

years anyway. Yeah. Oh, no. There's another thing

he's like, oh no, first of all, not the terrible

terrible New Republic that tortures people wipes

their brain Not that terrible that that New Republic

that that never recognized that has SNL cast

members making fleet decisions I'm not against

act not against comedians because I know I already

went after Jack Black I'm not against comedians

playing serious roles, but you got a Play a serious

role like his scene starts with him having like

shenanigans with an astromech. Yeah, and he's

an SNL cast member So I'm like, okay, you're

goofy. Haha, but you're also in charge of like

the Western Spyro fleet Like I don't respect

you because you're goofy Like you if you've been

very serious and very straight -laced about the

whole thing and maybe the fact that you were

obviously swayed by the most obvious double agent

in Imperial history Make you look less stupid

But you're a goofy, lovable guy. We just torture

people, wipe their brains. We're not bad. I'm

just a simple guy who's flustered by my droid.

He doesn't work right. And no, I'm not going

to send you ships to help you deal with this

threat to the galaxy. Heck no. Why would I do

that? This lady here who's completely trustworthy,

who was the last person alive to see this important

figure on the electric circuit before his brain

melted. She's very traumatized by that. We've

got to believe everything she says and she says

it's no big deal She can't be setting us up at

all work We trust everybody implicitly and because

you know why we trust everybody implicitly Mike,

you know why the New Republic trust everybody

implicitly? Because we'll fry your brain until

you are trustworthy This is your brain This is

your brain on the New Republic. Well, this is

your brain in a machine that isn't the quote

mind flayer. It's just a machine that's designed

based on the exact same specs as the mind flayer.

And even though it's a completely different machine,

nonetheless has brain destroying like settings.

That was so terrible. I mean, it's just badly

written and makes the Republic look like garbage.

And people are like, well, what would you do

with bubble? Look. You gotta trust them. We let

people from Germany who worked for the bad guys

work in NASA. Apparently it paid off. We got

to the moon, didn't we? Yeah, we did. So after

these first four episodes, are you excited about

watching? No. Honestly, it was very difficult

to do the re -watch. I was very bored. I was

playing Tetris through a lot of it. I would chide

myself. I was like, look, I need to pay attention

to this stuff because I wanted to take this seriously.

I really did. Halfway through the third episode

or early in the third episode, some other stuff

came up and really distracted me. I forced myself

to watch the special. It was nothing I didn't

know. I knew that Ahsoka had been Filoni's special

character from the early drafts and was the only

one that survived that early thing, Lucas, through

everything else out. It was a cool moment when

Lucas said like Lucas just he did a classic Lucas

thing which is like as long as like well Anakin

they're at Padawan and Lucas goes Yeah, yeah

That's very Lucas Very very George. That's right.

That was kind of a month, but it's just like

everybody's really excited. It's the Look, I

don't fault them for being like this is the best

thing ever We're all excited because you're not

gonna make one of those things and It's certainly

not gonna like show it to people with like, you

know I think the dialogue could have been tighter.

I don't like how my character is being developed

I'm a brain dead moron. I don't know how to write

a script. I hate Star Wars I don't know why I'm

doing this like you wouldn't produce like it

obviously everybody's very positive excited about

the show I get that yeah, but at the same time

It doesn't add much to me Like I get it. You're

you're saying you're excited for the show. You're

working on I like that I mean it is better than

the people who go and snipe on Twitter, you know,

this is the dumbest thing ever, right? You know,

there's this whole thing about the young woman

who's playing Snow White in the remake Stupid

like okay. Well then You're not gonna like your

whole point of remaking it is to bring in fans

of the Snow White and if you're saying you're

making it better or You're offending the fans

of the Snow White Like, so, yeah, I get that

nobody's gonna be doing that, although that would

be a fun thing to watch. But, yeah, I get, so

anyway, point being, no, I am not excited. If

I was not a Star Wars fan, I would not have made

it past the first episode. If that twist with

Balin hadn't happened in this episode, I don't

know that I would stay with it. Okay. All right.

It's Ahsoka. Will watch and you know it it's

it's Rosario. I love I think the reason why besides

the fact that it's the character of Ahsoka I

love her enthusiasm for the character I love

that's that's the coolest thing about when you

have somebody playing a Character that you know

and love from something else and you find someone

who absolutely loves and understands that character

where it's like Michael Keaton Michael Keaton,

okay fine Val Kilmer better Bruce Wayne than

Batman George Clooney get it the fuck out of

here You know the thing is I don't think his

performance was bad I just think the movie was

bad Yeah, but I think I think Clooney would have

been a perfect Batman if they'd cast Clooney

instead of Keaton in In the Burton Batman's I

think he would be the iconic Batman because he's

because I love Keaton. I actually like his I

think his Bruce Wayne is better than Batman because

I like that kind of distracted thing that he

does. Yeah, but I mean like Clooney had that

had the the Bruce Wayne supposed to be a handsome

guy and he's an active guy and I understand why

Burton cast Keaton because of that that Beetlejuice

intensity of rage kind of thing when he but like

yeah, no, I you know, he's sort of the I can't

remember the actor's name, but I think Clooney

gets a bad rap. The movie is undeniably bad.

They ruin Mr. Freeze. They screw up Bane, which

I don't really care about that much, but they

do screw him up. There are fans of Bane, and

they do him super dirty. Everything's stupid

and jokey and annoying, but I think Clooney is

actually, especially the scenes with him and

Alfred, because Alfred's dying. He's a good actor.

Yeah, so the final two films, Kilmer and Clooney,

they are better Bruce Wayne's than Batman's.

I think that's fair. But then again, when Clooney's

in Batman mode, he's in Joel Schumacher's world.

Yeah. So I don't think he ever got a fair shot.

I can't remember the guy. Lazenby. He's like

the George Lazenby of Batman movies. Yeah. Oh,

wow. No, like, no, I shot. I see what you're

saying. Yeah. Who knows? Maybe they'll they'll

work. Work to stop the flash. There's always

I was going to say that's what I was going to

say. Who knows? Maybe they'll work him into the

flash to or flash three or flash. Whatever the

hell you're doing. I wouldn't I wouldn't put

a lot of money on a flash. Oh, I don't either.

Don't at all. All right, folks. We're gonna go

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with myself and David Draper. And yeah one last

thing final words kind of thing you had mentioned

about the you know they're gonna pull one little

ass pull about her going and my thought was oh

crap well it's a world between worlds of course

they're going to do that there's going to be

another door in the that's my wondering of what

is going to happen between her and Anakin Anakin's

gonna like hey look over there go through this

door and poof you know they've almost kind of

established that in a weird way because like

there's this whole thing where thron is talking

to morgan right it's like she can hear him and

i wonder if he's at the other temple in the other

universe and he's you know calling to her or

whatever yeah because he doesn't have the force

he's not supposed to have the force and that's

a big plot point that's it's like weaknesses

he doesn't have the force yeah Yeah, he's more

of a military general like a super uber military

general type. He's a Sherlock Holmes Yeah, like

his whole thing is he psychologically analyzes

his opponents and finds the weak spots through

their art It was so artistic Yes All right folks

rating we go by a 0 to 5 scale on the GCR Universal

rating system Uh, the link will be in the show

to say. But basically we use, uh, like I said,

zero to five with half points. Mr. David Draper,

what are you going to give the first four episodes

of Ahsoka? According to the GCRN official rating,

I'm going to give it a three. Okay. Uh, I think

there are good things in it. Overall, I just,

I don't really, like I said, I've, I've, I've

got issues with where it's going. I don't think

it's accessible to people who aren't fans. I

mean, it may be great if you're a fan of Rebels,

but it's not that accessible if you're not. I

don't think they do a good enough job of establishing

these people as characters independently of you

knowing about Rebels. And of course, we didn't

even mention everybody's favorite, the lightsaber

stabbing Sabine and she survives. I think they

did a good enough job covering for that. Yeah,

it's still it still reminds you of the fact that

it's a very short point and That was my big problem

with this last episode was when you reduce the

lightsaber to being kind of more of a trivial

annoyance It's hard to get like it's hard to

get worked up about those battles. Yeah, that's

like Oh, no, you'll be stabbed through the center

mass and be mildly inconvenienced I Just I I

so I'm going to three. Yeah, I don't think it's

terrible. I don't think it's fantastic, right?

Am right there with you. I was oh wow. I was

almost going to give it a three and a half only

because of the the chopper Yes, you did Wow,

I really thought this is cuz you're big a cook.

You're a big Ahsoka fanboy. I thought I really

thought you'd do higher like and I wouldn't I

wouldn't fault you like cuz you've seen rebels

You are the target audience. Yeah I think it's

a three because of the fact that it's only the

first four episodes. Yes, there is a lot of story.

A lot of story. What? What? I hate that excuse.

People have an opinion about the first episode.

I understand that you need to see things in the

bigger picture, but it's like by four episodes

in of an eight episode series, man. You know

which way the wind's blowing. Even Andor! Shit

happens by episode four! Like, even Andor! Like,

everyone complains that the first two episodes

are kind of like, they drag, and eeeh! If you

grew up before MTV and you have patience, it's

not that bad. But like, shit happens by episode

four! Gosh darn it! Okay, so the reason why I'm

giving the first four episodes a three overall

is because There are some negative points to

it. There are a lot of positive points. There

are a lot of things I liked At the end of the

day I want to get to the thing the story the

whatever and this is a Progressive look at how

we get there. So we have this cliffhanger at

the end of episode four that basically has me

on the edge of my seat because I've always wanted

to see that character, especially after watching

all of Clone Wars and listening to Matt Lanter's

voice as the character, listening to Ashley Eckstein's

voices. and all of that I want to see them interact

in live action so that's but again I understand

that there are other prevalent issues with the

first four episodes like sometimes the story

may drag or sometimes it may be too slow that's

fine I can overlook them like nothing in the

first four episodes is maybe like like hold on

give me a second here oh that went down too fast

like I'm not gonna Slam my bottle down or my

whatever down and say yeah screw this show So

nothing in the first four episodes has made me

feel that way at the same time I see certain

things that It's they're not all gems and they

all can't always be gems. It would be great if

they were but they can't be But I'm still very

excited to see the next four episodes Okay, so

that's that's where I fall I guess my thing is

like if they did a show about boss who is my

favorite character Yes, like it could be garbage

and it would get five stars every episode. It

would be Because they're doing my boy. Yeah,

he's live -action like unless unless they clown

him because every time boss appears in any media

They always make him stupid they wharf him. He's

always like he's the big tough guy who always

gets like knocked down and humiliated so So I'm

always like looking like if they ever did a show

where boss actually like kind of comes off as

cool Even if the rest of the show is garbage

no matter how many people got stabbed with lightsabers

and got better Like no matter how many porgs

are there. I don't care. I would love that show

Actually, I would love it more reports, but I

would love that show to pieces because it's my

boy boss So long as he's not humiliated like

it would be the best show in the history of forever

Absolutely All right, folks, so I think that's

going to do it for us. Any final anythings from

you that you would like to say, sir, before I

run through the closing? No, I think I would

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time Uh, what was originally going to be this

episode is going to be the next episode. Steve

and I are going to be back and we are going to

wrap up the nineties movies with the Schumacher

Batman films. I swear I did not plan this whatsoever.

I did not plan us having that conversation. And

then, so yes, Steve and I are going to do that.

Uh, we will then be doing the Dark Knight trilogy

and then something else. I forget what else after

that, but for now, well, wouldn't it be Batman

versus Superman and the Batman? There's two more

films with that feature batman heavily, you know

You're doing the whole batman thing. Yeah Did

you do the 60s batman sometimes to get rid of

a bomb? No We started with we started with burton

We started with burton we're going to film this

reaction to the 60s batman. Yes, I know uh steve

is so i'm Nine years younger than you Steve is

six years younger than I am So I don't think

he really has the interest in the 60s I'm perfectly

fine covering the 60s Batman at some point It's

just not what we started with because he loves

Michael Keaton I love Michael Keaton and that's

what we started with so we were going forward

from the 80s I don't disagree. I love keep the

Keaton Batman is my Batman, but I still just

get you sir You can tisk all you want old man

For now, I'm TF2 and Mike with... David Draper.

You'll hear us back in the studio soon. No, I

did not go through your stuff did you look under

the backup battery