Interview with Brian Johnson on Starting The Social Loafers

Hi, this is Kevin Conroy and you're listening

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attempt to adjust the volume. Hello and welcome

to Studio 2009. I am, of course, T .H .O. Mike.

And for our latest podcast approach today, we

welcome Brian from the Social Loafers podcast,

Brian Johnson. Brian with an I, the only way

Brian should ever be spelled. Absolutely. Yeah.

Those Brian's that spell the stuff with the Y

is just, it's alternate universe crap. Have you

ever seen Brian with an IE? No, I have not. Maybe

it's an Irish thing. I don't know, but it looks

terrible. I have never seen that. I don't ever

want to see that. It's kind of like brainy Smurf

with an E instead of a Y. Awkward. Yeah. Awkward.

That's right. So we're going to ask Brian about

how he listens to and produces his own podcast

as I mentioned the social loafer podcast kind

of sort of brand new only a year in they've got

36 episodes thank you and I don't even know how

I found you it was on well it used to be called

Twitter it's now DMX is in his grave because

Elon gave X to us so god but I'm not even sure

how we got connected but we did I have Brian's

lovely podcast logo stickers on my computer amongst

all the other stickers I put on my computer.

And yeah, so getting started, when did you discover

podcasts and what was the first one you listened

to? Well, I spent so much time listening to just

Apple music that I didn't even know what podcasts

were. And then I listened to an audio book and

the audio book. They talked about a podcaster.

No, it was man. That's a Was I I know the guy's

name is Zack Arnold. He does the optimize yourself

podcast, but it's like I listened to somebody

talking and they suggested this person and then

that person just led to everything that is podcasting

because I went from Something you should know

podcast optimize yourself podcast Jordan harbinger

show podcast. It was a lot of Make yourself better

kind of thing a bunch of financial podcasts Marriage

kids and money podcast and he was a great job

with that. So it was me trying to better myself

and I know I just I wanted to be a better person

because me and my wife were in a situation where

We were separating so I thought this is the time

to transform myself to be better Okay. I found

podcasting. Cool. So how long after you started

listening did you want to start your own show?

So I listened to so many different podcasts and

they were so professional sounding and I thought

that it would be fun to be like a voice actor.

So I never even thought about podcasting until

one day I was at the depot where we deliver bread

from. And me and my buddy Brian, we just started

talking movies and our supervisor looked at us

after an hour of talking and is like, are you

guys gonna shut up and get to work? Just start

a podcast or something. And I looked at Brian

and said, what do you think? He looked at me

and said, what do you think? 20 minutes later,

I was back at home contemplating how to even

do this. I didn't have a mic. I didn't have a

computer. I didn't have anything. And then wait,

how do you not have a computer in 2022? Because

I have a cell phone. That's all I thought I needed.

You know, my dad was a computer programmer for

decades. And so I learned a lot about hard drive

or hardware and software. But I just kind of

got away from it because I didn't think it was

important to me. Okay. I thought that's in my

past. That's the childhood. You know, I don't

want to do that because that's what my dad did.

I want to do more hands -on stuff. So I got into

like construction and stuff like that. So I didn't

have a computer. Huh. Interesting. Crazy, right?

And cell phone podcasting is not, I mean, it

can be okay if you have A lot of external things

that you can plug into the cell phone that make

it better, but just recording on your phone by

itself. It's not, it's never been good. Even

with smartphones nowadays, it's no. That's why

I didn't think I could even do anything like

that. All the podcasts I heard were like really

professionally well produced and just was like,

Oh my God, there's no way I could live up to

that. So I even try. well i mean i don't think

it's a point about living up to it i mean yeah

you should try but the thing is is like i've

had the same microphone twice uh i buy the same

equipment if i know what works i will get so

long as it's still available i will go back and

it's funny because and we'll talk about this

a little bit later and everything else but the

microphone i have now is the exact same one i

had when i bought it in 2009 Originally, I had

a Walmart headset mic, like one of the gamer

setups, but one of the really cheap ones. And

then I'm like, okay, this sounds like utter,

you listen to the first few episodes of my original

podcast, the Transformers Generation One podcast,

those early episodes suck. I know they suck.

And there's nothing I can do about that now 15

years later, but. So I'm like, okay, I need a

good microphone and somebody recommended to me

the the cad u37 condenser mic it was like Somewhere

between 40 and 80 dollars at the time I think

you can the funny the stupid thing is I didn't

I lost the in the midst of 15 years and multiple

moves and everything else I lost its original

cord from the the original USB cord Yeah So I'm

thinking, okay, well, fine. I'll just buy a new

one and I'll set up the new one. And my buddy,

my buddy, Steve Megatron, who goes this show

and other shows with me, co -created the network

with me. I plugged in the new one, which apparently

was a black version of the silver version that

I've had for years. And I said, how does this

sound? Do I say, he goes, no, you sound like

crap. I'm like, oh, okay, fine. So I just took

the cord from the new microphone, put it on the

old microphone and Bob's your uncle. Here we

are 15 years later. Yeah. So. I go with what

works and as long as I can stick with what works,

that's what works. There you go. It's kind of

like the wheel. You don't need to change the

shape if it works. That's right. So getting your

podcast off the ground, what, what was your plan?

What was you and Brian like? What was your ultimate

goal getting it off the ground? So it sounds

very consumerist and capitalist, but I really

wanted to try and make money because like I said,

you know, me and my wife were separating. So

I thought I needed more money. So it really started

out of a ill term, I guess, because I thought

I want to make money doing this. So I started

listening to a podcast called How to Make a Podcast,

and they were talking about how to monetize.

And so I think my focus to start off was a little

too money esque. And I feel bad about that. And

looking back at it in hindsight, because it's

become so much fun. And editing has become a

hobby, absolute hobby. I have to edit more than

I love to record to be honest with you. Wow.

I mean, I'm just being honest that like recording

is fun and having a conversation is fun, but

there's this nervousness about it. And it's literally,

it's a conversation between two people. But before

I step on the mic, it's like, Oh my God, I don't

have enough to say, Oh my God, I've got too much

in my notes. Oh my God. But then when you're

editing, it's just you and the computer, and

you're making it into a story. It's already a

conversation, but you're turning it into more.

That's why I like editing more than recording,

which seems nuts. Long time voice actor, radio

guy, did the voice of Springer and Transformers,

did a bunch of other voices, and Neil Ross. He

released his book, what is it called? Vocal recall

is what it's called. Okay. And he released that

a number of years ago and what he says about

voice acting in the eighties and you know, back

then when they were still doing it in studio

and everything else, one of his lines were was

in the book and in the audio book, it sounds

even better because it's him saying it, you know,

as you're listening to this day, I'm never very

anxious to hear my own stuff. The joy for me

is in the performance, not the playback. So for

him, it's more about being in the room or being,

you know, having the conversation than it is

whatever the final product is. And that really

hit me because I love doing it. I love just sitting

here. And for me, I do audio podcasting. I don't

do all people who are like, oh, video this, but

I'm like, no, no. The old saying. Children should

be seen not heard I'd rather be heard not seen

like you can't see me See you later. Let's have

just have a conversation and have fun No frills

know nothing and it's sort of a radio play to

me like radio drama whatever and like you said

with the editing you turn it into whatever you

want to turn it into Yeah, I also yeah, I also

told Steve in the beginning I said I do not make

podcasts for children, so if I want to say fuck

at any point in time in the world on my show,

I will say it. I don't care. That's why I put

explicit tags on everything. I don't even care

if there's no cursing in the episode. I will

put an explicit tag on there just to be on the

safe side because sometimes we go innuendoes

and innuendos and sometimes the innuendos are

not things people want to be hearing. Brilliant.

As my grandmother used to say, you do you boo

-boo. Yep. Absolutely. So which do you prefer

audio or video podcasting as a fan and as a producer?

Well, everything I've listened to in the past,

they are audio podcasts that have video, but

I have never once watched a video podcast. I

just don't feel like I need to. You could see

expression, but that's not telling the story

that their words are saying. Yeah. I would rather

listen to it. Same here. And people seem to think

that in order to get engagement, in order to

get this, get that, whatever they want out of

it, it's like, well, they need to be looking

at something. No, you don't. Audio podcasting

is not radio. It's not a radio format type thing,

but it is a form of talk radio where you just

put it on your phone, whatever phone you have,

whatever, like Apple or Spotify or whatever.

You hit play, you put your phone in your pocket,

you go driving down the street throwing bread

out the back of your truck or whatever. You know

what I mean? Like, it's one of those things where

you can take it with you, you can listen to it,

but you don't have to sit there for two and a

half hours focusing on having to see, you hear

the people. Hearing the people is what is, that's

the thing, at least for me anyway. And yet I

think the irony is I love talking about movies

and our podcast is a movie recommendation podcast.

But so, Movies are very visual. Yeah, but our

podcast about movies is very audio Well, but

the thing is you're you're banking on the fact

that most of your listeners have seen back to

the future or Old -school or Terminator or Beverly

Hills Cop 1 2 & 3 or Whatever. You're banking

on the fact like like I said to Steve 15 years

ago. I said We're geeks. We need to be making

the podcasts for geeks. That's why it's called

the geek cast radio network kind of thing where

it's like, we're making this stuff for people

like us who aren't podcasters who want to listen

to people who are kind of thing. And you have

the interaction of, Hey, I recorded and released

this episode about insert weekend at Bernie's

two or whatever, whatever movie title you want.

You know what I mean? Like, or whatever comfort

title, or whatever toy top, it's tongue twister,

toy top, fuck, toy topic, there we go. You got

this. See, AI, AI shit when it comes to me with

my tongue twisters. I prefer actual intelligence,

not artificial intelligence. Just because it's

smarter than us doesn't mean it's better than

us. We got this. Don't know some of them things

aren't that smart They are but they aren't not

yet. Anyway, they haven't perfected it and hopefully

they never hopefully I'll be gone before they

perfect AI Yeah, there's way too many movies

talking about how AI goes wrong. So Why did I

ourselves into it? Yeah, what did I just watch

or what did I yeah? Oh No, I didn't I haven't

watched it yet because I don't think it's out

on what? I just and this this is for me because

I will do this because I don't I don't care about

spoilers But if I need to stay in the know of

whatever I will read as long as the movies out

and the article is correct I will read the Wikipedia

plot for Mission Impossible dead reckoning. I

don't care because I'll forget I'm so goddamn

old at this point in 43 years old. I'm just like

my brain just can't handle this crap anymore

plus being born brain damage. I don't have a

piece of my brain. I never have had it kind of

thing. It's like, I'll read about it, and then

I'll watch it a month and a half or two months

later. So I read the plot synopsis to Dead Reckoning

Part 1, and I'm like, AI, really? On the other

side of that equation, though, when you start

watching a movie, you get lost in the moment.

So it doesn't matter what you know or knew. It's

all right there in the moment. Yep. Absolutely.

So you've been doing this for about a year or

so. How have your podcasting goals changed since

you started? My podcasting goals have changed

dramatically. I would like to make money eventually,

but at this point, I'd just like to see my buddy.

There you go. Brian actually got promoted from

being a route driver to being a route supervisor

at another depot altogether. Oh, geez. I basically

just get to see him once a week when we go record.

And we don't even get all the conversation about,

hey, how have you been? How's your week been?

How's the family? So we don't even get that every

day anymore. So when we record, it's like, OK,

I got to go home to my family. He's got to go

home to his family. So we've got this hour and

a half or two hours to hang out and just be friends

and have a conversation. That's why our conversation

in the episode sounds so natural. because we

don't get to see each other every day. Yeah,

exactly. And the thing with me is I've been doing

this so long and I record with multiple people.

I mean, Steve and I, we talk almost sort of on

a daily basis, but it's like in messenger or

on Twitter or whatever. But we usually have at

least once a week or so where we record a couple

of shows and then whatever. And people always

say, well, they used to say, and I'm sure they

still say, oh, don't talk about the weather.

We're here. No. If you're there for the podcast,

you're there for the people doing the podcast.

And if they only see each other once a week,

or they only get to talk to each other once a

week, as long as you're only doing it like five

or 10 minutes of. Hey, how was your week or what

happened? We want to hear things that happened,

especially if it's a weekly show or a bi -weekly

show or a monthly show. You need to be able to

kind of feel like you know those hosts, even

though you may not even know them at all kind

of thing. Exactly. It's like you're creating

a story with what you're saying in the episode,

but you're creating a dynamic. Between eat the

characters of the story and the story just keeps

growing weekly as everybody that's on the outside

listening Follow the follow along the story kind

of like I don't know like a soap opera They get

to live the life with the hosts. I Don't I can't

see any fictional soap opera town where bread

truck people would be I don't even know how.

I mean, I hear all the innuendos in my head.

These are the croutons of your life. That's hilarious.

Well, my, my, my. Someone's crusty today. Yes,

exactly. Oh, somebody got toasted. Well, butter

my biscuits. Oh, my God. See, you can do a bread

podcast. Who needs movies when you got this?

We'll sit there and talk. Hey, over at the depot

today, did you see that that loaf of bread didn't

have a twist on how hilarious is that? Like,

come on, who wants to listen to that? So you're

in Minnesota. I'm in Indiana. And for the most

part, the eastern, I want to say probably eastern,

central and maybe mountain, but I could be wrong.

Uh, those three time zones, they all have bread

ties. Yep. You go out to the Pacific Northwest,

they have these dumb ass little tags. I'm like,

what the is this? No, those are terrible. You're

terrible. Cause you have to twist the bag up.

You're set like. you still have to twist the

bread bag up but you have to twist it up and

then you have to like get it thin enough to fit

into that like no because if you don't if you

don't then the inside of that little clip is

gonna cut the bag open and then you're gonna

lose freshness yep exactly twist ties all the

way whatever the other things are they're evil

what are you gonna say evil evil the evil tag

of death That's right, the evil tag of unfresh

bread death. Oh lord. So if your headphones or

microphone or whatever breaks down, are you going

to buy the same exact setup or are you going

to buy something new and better? Okay, so I've

spent so much time just using my equipment that

I haven't even looked at what else there is.

It's not the top of the line. Even right now

I'm using the original mic that I bought. It's

a Yeti Blue USB mic it was on sale for like a

hundred bucks. So that's by I'm using that now

but Several weeks after we started I upgraded

to some ZDM one microphone headphone Combinations

that I got from sweetwater .com. I'm not affiliated

but they are really good so if they break I don't

feel like I would reach out for the Something

else I would get what I know because that's all

I know Yeah, because I haven't done the research

to see what else there is. Yeah Yeah, what I

do a really good job keeping my shit together

Like I still have all the original foam inserts

to make sure everything gets in its right spot

all the time I spent enough money on it Keep

it if I keep it nice. It'll be nice. That's right.

That's right Did you think you'd be podcasting

for as long as you have yeah, actually because

like I said about that How to make a podcast

podcast that I listened to mm -hmm. He said to

make a plan and say How can we do this podcast

for two years because that's like a baseline

is that after two years? You've got enough of

a baseline that you could start monetizing Yep,

so I told Brian We get we got to do this for

at least 24 months to make this happen and he's

like sure great. Let's do it So we knew that

we were gonna keep going It's been a struggle

It is it has been a struggle, but that's that's

only because of the distance like we don't live

in the same city But we have to meet at the depot

Because we don't have anywhere else to go like

I don't have a special room to do a podcast neither

does he you know i've got seven people in my

house we're doing this because they're all at

valley fair at the moment i mean i've literally

got my dog sitting on the bed right behind me

i'm surprised not like begging for attention

right now yeah i mean the way i've done it for

years is because most of the time i've been on

my own or whatever i just Make my living room

the podcast like right now. It's my giant six

foot by nine foot desk. It's the computer, the

monitor, the keyboard, the printer, all my Funko

pops and then whatever other things are in the

apartment. But like I don't want a natural living

room because I don't want my bedroom with a six

foot by nine foot desk. Can't exactly put that

comfortably in the size of the bedroom is so.

Yeah, I don't even have a desk. I'm literally

using an old table that we had in the kitchen

previously. I've got like Four games on and I've

got monsters. I've got comic books. I've got

a bag from happy Well, it says happy Father's

Day on it, but it's you know from Father's Day.

I've got like everything on this table because

it's my bedroom and it's just kind of a Storage

space that has my computer on it. Oh that sucks

Hey, it's okay. Someday, it'll all work out.

It'll all just balance itself out. It'll be fine.

Yeah, one of these days. I don't know. It's just

crazy. You just have to keep going. Things won't

work themselves out as long as you keep trying.

I know it's hard, but... One of my one of my

old sayings is people will my buddy Michael Wilson

will When I when I have him on shows, he'll say

hey, how's it going? I'll be like it's going

sometimes. I wish it would stop but it's going

Yeah, life is the merry -go -round Yes, sometimes

it flings you off of it though. Oh, yeah Yes,

it does very much. So as a listener, what defines

a good podcast to you? It's definitely the people.

So like the story is good, but as long as the

hosts have a fondness for each other, or they

can at least make the conversation enjoyable,

there's a podcast I'm listening to now. Like

this is the podcast I listened to for entertainment.

This is the podcast I listened to for laughing.

This is the podcast I listened to for, you know,

Knowledge, you know, so I've got different podcasts

for different reasons But they've all got the

same trait of the hosts work great together And

like this the one that I like to listen to to

laugh about it's called master and debaters I

Think I've seen that around somewhere. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, so there are three bartenders that

are best friends that live in Nashville and they

just Question each other like hey fuck Mary Keele,

you know Thor Hulk, you know Captain America,

whatever. Yeah, take like a question based on

the topic of the episode It's like this most

recent one. They did was about Disney princesses

You know, it's like which one would win in a

fight and then they debate it so but they've

got this great chemistry and You could just tell

they're having fun and I like listen to it for

that Yeah, very cool, very cool. Yeah, no, it's

awesome when you find something that you absolutely

like listening to and That's great And you just

want to hear their voices again. Mm -hmm as a

listener What does a podcast have to have to

draw you in so when you're listening to mad?

What, when you first found that, drew you in

to say, okay, I've listened to the first episode

or whichever one you listened to. I want to now

listen to the next one. Oh, man. Let's see. I

think the thing that drew me in for that one

was the humor. The questions they had for that

very first one, it was so outrageous that I just

wanted to hear what else they had to talk about.

They haven't had any other episodes quite like

that. Just like a rapid -fire Weird -ass question

kind of thing but now so it's about a topic So

I really enjoyed that rapid -fire questioning

they had But like I said, it's not the same as

that first episode I listened to yeah, but then

it just became about the people Yeah, so absolutely

so I think as long as the people You could you

could feel their energy you could feel their

character in their audio in their voices That's

what draws me in very cool. Very cool as a listener

Do you prefer short 30 minutes to an hour and

30 minute shows or do you prefer longer podcast

episodes as in two hours or more? Man quite frankly,

I have never listened to an episode longer than

two hours Unless it's me editing my own episode

We'll get into the editing a little bit later,

but yeah Outside of that I've never listened

to an episode. Oh, wait a second. Hold on one

time one time I listened to a three -hour episode

We were preparing to talk about the shining the

Stephen King book And so I listened to the losers

club podcast and they literally had a three -hour

conversation about the book And that was, dude,

it just dragged on. So I would say I like short

episodes because that one time it was just too

much. Yeah, I think it just depends on what it

is and how it's formatted. Like our top 100 series

that we do, those range from two and a half to

four and a half, five hours each episode. And

it's usually like six episode series. Yeah, so

I think our transformers one that we did two

years ago. That's about eleven and a half twelve

hours of content Between six episodes. Well,

I mean in total it's not all one episode It's

the the six parts added up because I did a hundred

hours of audio editing on that thing. But yeah

We are currently in the process of getting the

top 100 toys countdown going So we're doing that.

But yeah, it just depends if you're if you're

reviewing a movie or if you're reviewing a cartoon

series or just depends on how you're doing. It

depends on, you know, all that stuff. And for

me, I can listen to two hours or more as long

as the flake. So I listen to Earth dash to net

the show with Michael David Sims. He does. Several

different things on his show and one of them

was where they went through They did Like a countdown

again. It was a countdown episode, but so that's

gonna be longer But they did like five and a

half hour countdown in one podcast for the Marvel

Cinematic Universe movies at the time This is

a couple years ago. And for me, it's like listening

to podcasts that long the reason why it I like

doing it is because I can do it whenever I want

so if I want to listen to the first hour now

I'll do that now and I go back and I come back

like you don't have to listen to it all in one

go but the general sweet spot is 30 minutes to

an hour and 30 minutes or so just so you can

get you know everything is in depth and however

you want to do it and get it done right yeah

I think that's a good number like if it's less

than 30 minutes I don't feel like I got anything

out of it. There's there's something you should

know podcast with Mike Carruthers and all of

his episodes are very short, but there's so much

condensed condensed into it. Yeah. It's almost

like by the end of it, what do they listen to?

Because there was so much coming at me that I

just don't remember at all. So I'd say, yeah,

any like the 45 minute an hour and a half is

a good range. Yeah, absolutely. As a listener,

do you start at the beginning of his podcast

the most recent episode or you jump jump around?

Well, if it's a brand new podcast I've never

heard of I listen to the first one or at least

the beginning of it to see where they are and

then if that hooks me enough then I'll go to

a first episode to Well, I mean not not always

not always like Jordan Jordan harbinger. This

guy's got like 700 episodes and that one that

one I just I pick the title that I like and I

go with that Go all the way back 700 episodes

before it's like There's no it's not the same

podcast. So I don't want to really really listen

to that first one. Yeah You know, but Most of

the time like with the master and debaters I

listened to the first episode to see what it

was to begin with right early on Yeah, but if

it's something that's been going on for a hundred,

you know five hundred a thousand episodes I don't

want to go to the beginning because then it's

like You're not listening to the podcast. You're

just listening to like like you would say the

origin story. Yeah Yeah, it's just it's not the

same show from episode one to episode 1 ,000

I think well, we haven't got your We're five

hundred and something episodes away from a thousand

episodes But I think that I will When people

ask me not that they ask me but if they ask me

hey Do you have coverage of this or did you do

this or I can point them in several? Directions

where they don't necessarily need to listen to

every episode one or every episode zero kind

of thing but Again, it also depends on how the

podcast is, like a buddy of mine, Mike Laidman,

he and his buddy Chris, they started Part -Time

Nerds, Full -Time Dads back in, I think, 2019,

maybe, I don't know, it was right before the

pandemic. At the time, both of their wives were

pregnant. So each of their episodes ended up

being the geek stuff plus the real life stuff

because they were going through having children

kind of thing. You can't start that show at episode

one, skip to episode 37, and then skip to, you

know what I mean? Again, it's a whole story.

So it just depends. Would you consider that like

a serial? Like you start at the beginning and

then just follow along the whole show? Yeah,

pretty much Yeah, no, you can follow along to

a certain point and then maybe you like after

they've had their children kind of thing then

maybe you could jump around but But yeah, definitely

very much Streamlined serial beginning middle

and end kind of thing Mike Chris bring the show

back. Damn it They stopped doing it a while ago.

Oh man life must have gotten away Well, you know

and hey I've been saying this for 15 years like

I have no life so doesn't really matter to me

but like Life comes before podcasting if something

is going on in your life and you can't record

you can't record You know or you can't produce

or you can't you know, it'll always I'll it'll

always be here. So it's like You know, it's not

going away anytime soon kind of a thing. So Yeah,

honestly when it for me, it's like it's kids

then bread Then podcasting and then my life It's

like I don't really have a life much anymore

other than just my family and work and podcasting

So I don't really go out to the bars and hang

out with friends anymore. I don't I don't do

that stuff I'm just not there in my life anymore.

Yeah, that's okay Reminds me of an old line from

a famous movie from 2005 for me the three thing

No, you're gonna you're gonna love this. Okay

for me. There's three things in life Red Sox

sex and breathing Do you remember what movie

that was ah Jesus the other guys I don't know

fever pitch with Alan and Demi and not Demi very

very more. Yeah Okay, I haven't seen that since

2005 All right, I'm I'm commandeering his podcast

folks and we're gonna do a review. Oh my god

that movies coming up on 20 years Jesus, holy

shit weird that that's what my show should do

is like 20 year anniversary movies 25 year anniversary

movies. Yeah, I like that That's hilarious. As

a listener, how many hosts are too many on one

podcast episode? Oh, jeez. I think four is too

many. The ones that I listen to the most is usually

one host and a guest. But like Master and Baiter,

three guys. But it's almost like a round table.

This guy talks, then the next guy talks. So they're

not like... Daniel dancing over each other's

conversation. Yeah, but if you get four people

we've done that twice and One of them was over

the phone and the other three were in in studio

together And it was constantly hey, hold on,

you know, this guy's trying to talk. Hold on

This guy wants to talk on the phone and that

was too much I'm sure there are podcasters I

can do for but for me man three is like the max.

Yeah, and when I say I don't mean just the person

that that directs the traffic I mean just how

many people on a one show kind of a thing two

to three is fine three is a sweet spot like you're

saying as you know for as long as you have a

good person who is directing traffic it's fine

anything more than that unless you have a specific

Thing that you're doing what like if you're doing

like a vote like if you're doing a versus episode

like we did We did this thing called GCN wars

years and years ago where we would take two things

and we would put them together We would take

like 20 categories and pit like die hard versus

lethal weapon kind of things And we would you

know rate them based on You know which had the

better action scene which had the most quotable

lines Which one is or isn't a christmas movie

kind of thing. Yeah, brilliant Yeah, so, you

know and in that case you'd need at least Three

or you would need an odd number of hosts because

you'd have to have a tiebreaker For whichever

one so that that was always fun. We did a lot

of those those cool things back in the day When

do you stop listening to a podcast altogether?

Oh, man. Geez. You know what? I think as soon

as I find something in the audio that, like,

deters me, like, I just now notice that this

host says this all the time. And then you listen

to, like, oh, yeah, literally every single episode,

he says that exact same thing. I am I can't I

can't do it. I can't listen to it anymore. There's

a There's one podcast where one host talks and

then the other host talks But then this first

host he will try to match the exact word of the

last Sentence, you know, like yeah, it's that

way. It's like, oh wow We're so in simpatico

that we were thinking the same thing, but it's

literally just you're saying the word he's gonna

say and It bothered me. I don't I don't know

why it bothered me Think it's because I had a

friend that used to do that. Mm -hmm, and I don't

know if this makes any sense what I'm saying,

but like if I'm gonna say Something but then

your friend says something at the same time you

say it then it just gets annoying Annoying. Yes

I don't know I don't know that made any sense

what I said, but no it makes sense Yeah, and

it just it bothered me to the point that I don't

want to listen to it again, right? Cuz I know

they're gonna do it again. Yeah So you've mentioned

a couple but what are some podcasts you're currently

listening to So I've met a lot of people on Twitter

you're clearly one of them so I listen to you

And then other Twitter friends like Flix and

Friends podcast. I've had Dustin on once or twice.

He's a really good dude. We started talking on

Discord. Just, hey, man, I'm trying to do this

with this episode. What do you think of this?

And like, he'll give me questions about this

sound clip, if I should use this one or that

one and vice versa. We'll help each other out.

So we listen to each other's shows. Then we've

got the master and debaters I like Jordan harbinger

show I like that one just because he's got this

like worldly view of Everything going on in the

world like he's got one about Cults he's got

you got a lot of them about cults, but learning

about all this stuff inside the world that I

never would even even thought about like Yeah,

I'm trying to remember where it was I think it's

in, California It's like the green line where

there's cartels down in the south of California

that are coming into America to grow crops of

marijuana. And then instead of, you know, they're

doing it in secret and they're growing insane

amounts of it and then taking it back to, you

know, whatever, wherever they're going with it

and selling it. But they're not. It's because

it's in secret and because of the damage they're

doing to the to the nature. in the area. It's

something I never would have thought about, but

he just finds these hosts. Like, I guess this

this host that was on the show was one of the

cops that goes into these and does the drug busts.

But it's like, where do you find these people?

They've got these crazy lives and jobs that you

never would have even thought about. So that's

why Jordan Harbinger is interesting. It's almost

it's almost like Dirty jobs with Mike Rowe. Yeah,

you're seeing another side of life. You never

thought about yep After all folks happy graduation

day get a job Yeah, when you guys when you guys

go back to sequels again for a third time you

should call it three quills oh, oh yeah, really

You'll have to be on that one Oh boy, yeah, the

trilogies. Oh boy. All right. Let's talk about

podcast production as a producer. Do you find

your list yourself listening to podcasts less

and less as you're producing your own show? Um,

no, not really. I, uh, I listened to my own,

um, to edit it. Yep. But, but then I post it

online like a week ahead of the publishing date.

And then I'll listen to it. I'll listen to like

the next day to make sure that the full spectrum

sounds good together. Because when you're when

you're editing, it's like, cut this piece, cut

that piece, cut that piece. But by the end of

the story, you're not listening to the whole

thing. You just listen to the pieces to edit

it. Yeah. That's why I re listened to it like

the next day to hear the entire thing. Send myself

a note in a text message. Hey, cut minute 217

out or what, you know, whatever to make adjustments.

So I When I was publishing episodes because we're

on a break When I was publishing episodes, I

spent more time listening to my own episodes

Than other people's yeah, so I guess you could

say that I listen more to my own Yeah from an

editor's perspective, right? Yeah As a producer,

are you a podcast planner? Are you just throwing

stuff at the mic to see what sticks? Please don't

throw stuff at me No, no, no, so when we When

we plan an episode we'll do it probably like

a month out and say we're gonna post it for this

date So what's something really cool that happened

on that date in history or whatever? Like we

were gonna do for the moon landing we were gonna

do an episode about space Didn't have didn't

happen because Brian had hip surgery. So that's

why we're out of commission but So we would plan

it out like a month in advance, say this is the

topic, and then neither of us would know what

each other is going to do. I would have notes,

he would have notes, and then we would just go.

So it's not like we're throwing stuff at the

microphone to see what happens. It's just we

both have what we want to talk about, and whatever

happens, happens, I guess. Yeah, also, like you

were saying earlier about having that two -year

kind of plan thing like when Steve and I first

started we had a show called movie we can review

and at the time I have pictures of this because

I have pictures of my old apartments and everything

else I had like three DVD shelves filled with

films and cartoons and TV I'm like okay let me

take all the films and just make a list of all

the films I have that turned into 200 episodes

of a podcast you know what I mean so Right. Yup.

I like it. I like it. You know, that kind of

stuff. All right. Well, since you're not coming

back till September, I want to have my episode

air on September 17th. And the reason being is

that was the original air date of Transformers

1984 and other things happened on that day that

I will tell you all on that show. All right.

Brilliant. That's going to be good. I will make

sure it happens, sir. I'm looking forward to

Brian. I don't even think Brian knows about it,

but Well, you know after all no relation so There

is a reason why I found you like we were doing

a transformers episode so I Googled all things

transformers And then I Twitter stalked you,

and I'm like, wait, Blanchard? Oh my god. So

that's why I reached out to you, man. Blanchard

and Blanchard. It's become a good relation since

then. So far, ears open. Oh boy. So this is more

of, I don't know, I tried doing the whole one

man, When I think of one man shows, I'm thinking

like Robin Williams or Richard Pryor or any of

the blue collar comedy guys when they're not

doing blue collar stuff, when they're doing their

own stuff separately from blue. Like comedians

are a one person show. Yep. John Leguizamo, one

man show. Yeah. And I mean, there are some radio

DJs that are one person shows kind of thing,

but with podcasting, I found out really early

on. I cannot sit here and talk to myself about

something like without it sounding like the guy

that was on the radio reading the weather before

Robin Williams came in as Adrian Crowley today

in Saigon the wind is going to come out of this

northwest at no just no I cannot good morning

Vietnam yes you need something like that like

you know you yeah so As a producer, are you a

one man show kind of host or do you prefer working

with co -hosts? I have to work with a co -host.

I can't fathom doing it by myself and even listening

to one person, it feels so scripted. I don't

know. I don't know how you can just free ball

your own show and not have something to bounce

ideas off of. I just don't like it. I mean, I

think people could do it if they're just like

giving headlines and one or two opinions. So

a person I'd actually just had on the previous

episode, Mistress Carrie, she is a Boston radio

DJ and podcaster and I have been following her

career for the last 20 years or so because I'm

originally from Massachusetts and all that. We

spent three and a half hours on this episode

because she has like a 30 plus radio career.

So it took me up until like the second hour to

even get into any of these 27 questions. And

we just had a fun conversation. It was awesome

and great and whatever else, but she does this

thing called Mr. Scary Sit Rep, where it's like

a daily thing, but it's like five to seven to

10 minutes of her just reading headlines and

giving, just giving information, that kind of

thing. Sure. Fine. Great. But if you're trying

to give your opinion on an episode you watched

or a song you listened to, you need somebody

there to look like you're well, like we said,

to bounce off of to, you know, otherwise it's

just you on your soapbox telling people how they

should think. Like, yeah, this is what, this

is what I think. So blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Listen to every word I have to say, cause there's

nobody to stop you. Yeah, so it's got to be it's

got to be at least two people at least it's not

otherwise. It's not a conversation. Nope and

it's funny because I Told a friend of mine who

is not into the I mean they weren't into the

podcast and whatever else I told them about an

idea I had for a podcast because I wanted to

give a different friend of mine who has been

friends with me for years a platform for her

to just have her voice not just be a Facebook

post. And it was all about children's television

programming then and now. So basically her thing

is she doesn't like Paw Patrol. She thinks Paw

Patrol is evil kind of thing. And my thing was

I was coming at it from the point of I've never

actually seen it. So I told this other friend

about what I was doing and she's like, Well,

you think you know everything, blah, blah, blah.

I'm like, no, I'm here to give this other person

a voice, and I'm here to learn why they don't

like something. Why should I have to watch 200

and something episodes of a children's television

show when I don't have children? I'm never having

children. Nobody needs to see me have offspring.

It's just not going to happen. And besides, I

wouldn't put any of my kids through what I went

through with my cerebral palsy and all that and

everything else. So I went and I watched about,

I don't know, two or three clips on YouTube just

so I have a general sense of it. But like, we're

not reviewing the show. I was giving that other

person a platform to tell us why they think Paw

Patrol. And lately I've been feeling like anything

I say is the wrong thing or it's the wrong time

or whatever kind of thing. And I don't know,

but I just got to... press on I guess but that's

why you have somebody on so that way if you say

something stupid they could call you out exactly

on the flip side you don't have to know everything

because somebody else does I thought that was

the point yeah that's what I thought the point

of the episode was is that this person Jennifer

who was a mother of two boys and their her kids

like Paw Patrol whatever she doesn't really care

for it and that's fine but like I was there to

learn from her. I was not there to say, I've

watched all 10 million. However, there's like

200 and something episodes of that or whatever

it is. I don't even care. Like, no, like I was

there to learn. I wasn't there to, and we're

not like, we're not actively taking each episode

and saying, this is what we liked. That's not

what it was. It was a general anyway. It is what

it is. I hear what you're saying. And it was

a good episode by the way. Thank you. At least

somebody listened to it. Yeah. Well, I mean I

do have kids so I know what you're talking about

Yeah It's a very niche episode. We'll say that.

Yeah. I mean it wasn't like again, I was just

trying like somebody will say something on social

media and I will come back with If you want to

do a podcast on it show up I'll hit the record

button and all you got to do is talk Like I'll

do everything else, you know kind of thing and

that's really what that was And I like I said,

I did do a little bit of research I did watch

I think like I said five or six different clips

and I got enough of the gist of the show But

like the point wasn't to review the show Right.

I don't think anyone wants a full -on GCR and

Paw Patrol review podcast. Oh my god I don't

I don't think that's gonna happen As a producer,

do you feel you need a mixing board and all the

fancy stuff that would essentially be found at

a radio station or are you good with a great

mic and headphones set up? So I do have a mic

and a small mixing board. It's a pod track and

basically it's just a mixing board with four

buttons and then you've got the volume knobs

for microphone, volume knobs for headphones.

and that's it so it's it's very basic but it

is technically a mixing board so i can like throw

in sound clips if i want to in the moment yeah

but i don't i don't need the big huge production

that's too much yeah i usually put all the sound

clips in after like i will yeah that's why i

listen to every second of our audio i'll say

i'll insert this here you seemed a little pitchy

dog yep and then I found myself doing that a

lot lately when recording because it's just easier

to have the I have I have 15 years of audio on

my computer so like you know I have all this

stuff I have the the ding ding dings or the this

this this or the that that that or whichever

quote you know one shall stand one shuffle like

I have like all that stuff so it's like it's

just easier to insert it after the fact yep but

sometimes like Earlier on when we first got this

pod track it was here. It was easier to navigate

the conversation by saying I've got this audio

clip from this movie because then we can then

talk about that clip Yeah, so it was it was easy

like it's got the four buttons. So I'm gonna

four audio clips and It helped for navigation.

Yeah, so Very cool. Very cool. And and by the

way that whole the one chill one chill one shall

stand in one shall I found out that in Invincible

Season 2, Peter Cullen is going to voice Thaddeus.

Oh, nice. That's cool. I don't know how much

you know about Invincible. Not much. I've heard

of it. I need to read the book and all that stuff,

and I haven't even watched the show. I'm too

engrossed in the other image comic thing, which

is the Massive Verse Rec. Radiant black and radiant

red all that stuff. I'm I'm more on that end

of it than anything else As a producer, how much

time do you put into the editing of the show?

Man Yeah, how can you quantify the time? So when

when I edit it I Listen to the episode at regular

speed. I have attempted to do it at like 1 .75

speed But then it's just chipmunks talking and

you can't get everything. So typically I would

say if I'm listening to a two -hour show, it's

going to end up being three -ish because you

got to stop, clip, whatever. So that's like the

bare minimum would be like three hours. But then

even still, like I said, I'll post it, listen

to it the next day in its entirety. Go back into

it and edit a little extra. So it feels like

it's never ending Yeah, but tell you basically

hit publish. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I I like

the editing because I like the way I edit. I

like the way that I put the thing together. I've

always tried since I learned editing. Because

in the beginning, when Steve and I first started,

I'm like, look, I'll show up. I'll watch this

stuff. I'll talk about it. But you need to edit

this. I don't want to learn. And then I just

needed to learn. Stuff was going on with Steve.

And he couldn't do it. I'm like, OK, well, then

teach me. What do I need? What do I this? What

do I that? Ever since then I've been using Adobe

audition and All that kind of stuff and whatever

else and I just do simple edit I'll put a I'll

put a intro, you know, whatever the beginning

part like because after 15 years I have so many

Voice actor and other people interview clips

where they're like, hi, my name is blah blah

blah and you're listening to blah blah, but you

know the geek cast or whatever So I'll put in

one of those I'll put in like if there's a theme

song or something or whatever and then we'll

start the show I'll go through and I'll edit

it the whole thing I may need to take a break

or once or another at one point or another But

basically I will edit it and why will spend three

and a half hours straight through editing whatever

show it is Like I said earlier when I was editing

the top 100 transformers countdown a hundred

hours. Oh my god. Yeah, I I decided to I was

tweeting it and I was putting it on Facebook,

like, okay, I'm here, here, here, here, here.

And I'm like, after I finished it, I was like,

okay, I'm just gonna call it a day. It's at 96

hours. Let's say with promotion and everything

else, that's another four hours. So it's 100

hours. And I put all of that just note taking

and social media posting into a blog post and

just publish that. Here's how I got to a hundred

hours of editing for 12 hours of content You've

got the patience of a saint not really because

Those could have pulled me part parts five and

six I had to go but like what you're saying about

going back and listening it like even though

I spent God don't even know what I spent on on

on Part five, I honestly forget. I spent so much

time on it, by the end of it, I was getting so

damn tired. Like I was, I literally, there was

four or five times where I fell asleep editing.

And I'm like, okay, I need to get up and finish

this like tomorrow. It was like the, the just,

just, it was just, I was out of my mind at that

point. Oh my God. Couldn't do it man. That's

that's insane. Yeah, I can understand why you

fell asleep a couple times Yeah, so but you you

realize you're on a deadline. You got to get

it done Yeah, so day two was 13 hours a bit hazy

at this point and I didn't even finish the edit

so got to number seven So that was number seven

day two. So that was part five I had said that

I was so delirious and exhausted I had to stop

because I thought I was Mix messing things up

in the editing. So part five went into day three.

So it basically took me Four and a half five

days to edit a hundred hours of Audio which I

mean technically four days is 96 hours. So yeah,

just Cap it up to another round number and make

it three digits. Oh, solid plan. As a producer,

do you prefer in -person recordings or recordings

over the internet like this and other things?

This is only my second time doing it on the computer.

OK. And it's fine, but I'm literally sitting

here looking at my bedroom curtains. I enjoy.

the in person, because personally I think the

audio sounds better when it's in person. At the

same time, the conversation is better because

you can see the person's movements. You can see

what they're doing, if they're fidgeting, if

they're bored, if they're getting excited. We

did an episode about the best football movies

and we did it as a four person. back and forth

this is why this is better this is why this is

better and at one point i'm like throwing the

bottle at people like you're a fucking idiot

so like there was so much better because it was

in person we had one guy on our phone but with

this uh this pod track i've got i've got a bluetooth

adapter so he was on his phone just walking around

his bedroom or whatever and uh he was listening

to us like it was just a phone call Yeah, but

the three of us were in studio and we It went

really well Mikey he had a little bit harder

time because it was just him over the phone.

So Yeah, I've been doing it this way for 15 years

Steve and I When Steve came to my wedding in

2017 was the first time we met in person It was

the first time we ever did anything in person.

It was weird because I'm trying to I'm so used

to looking at my screen Whatever is on my like

if there's like right now I've got the questions

up to ask you the questions, you know my microphones

to the left of me But I'm looking at my screen

because that's what I'm supposed to be doing

kind of thing and then I'm like, oh crap I need

to turn around look at him and have an actual

Conversation with an actual real -life human

being that isn't just on the other end of my

headphones kind of thing It was fun. Yeah, it

was fun. No, no over the internet this way because

this way we're in each other's space like you're

in your space. I'm in my space. No, I'm not in

my space. My space is dead, but you know, like

it's one of those things where. We're in our

own environments and the point of we can be comfortable

we can do this we can do that There was I think

I don't know if it's still around there was a

podcast I think it was called no pants podcast

where they actually probably weren't wearing

Yeah, like I mean it just it just depends on

on how you have the setup and whatever else and

yeah, but This is always the easiest thing for

me to do because it's just audio And yeah, I

don't know. So when you do it with Steve, do

you at least have like the video screen up so

you can see each other? No. Okay. Audio only.

Okay. Cause I've found that in several episodes

that I've done that I've had to fix and things

like with Skype, it's currently recording as

an MP4 cause they want you to turn your cameras

on and record the video. But I find that if the

video is on, it screws up the audio at times.

and I'm like nope and I tried using a few other

things that were just audio recorders and then

one of them was like hey guess what we're changing

everything and we want you to link your podcast

to our this and I'm like nope we already have

like I was just using it to record on two separate

tracks and and they're like nope we're changing

I'm like then nope I'm not using you anymore

uh so when Steve wants to edit, we'll use Discord.

When I want to do stuff, we'll use Skype because

I'm so used to having the point where I talk

and then you talk. Makes sense to me. So that

way, we're not talking over each other. This

is why I also, in 2019, and I know everyone listening

inside of my voice has already heard this, my

brain kind of broke on review podcasts where

we're reviewing movies or reviewing TV shows

or cartoons or whatever else. I'm like, I need

to do something different. It was right before

the pandemic and I'm like, let's come up with

all these questions where it's just me asking

anybody questions versus having to worry about

me saying I like this or I like that then you

saying you don't like that but you like so that

way we're not actually talking over each other

kind of thing yeah because it's it's an interview

style it's informational everybody has a story

to tell and you're just the conduit for people

to tell their story absolutely Getting the stories

from any fans that I can Right. Absolutely. So

you only have one show I have like a million

shows but I don't know. I don't understand it

man. You all right I will I will I will explain

it but the question is as both a listener and

a producer Do you prefer one feed have everything

or should each type of show have its own feed?

So when I said to Steve, I said, OK, we have

you have all things Transformers. I have TFG1

podcast. TFG1 podcast was me just reviewing the

98 episodes that are the Transformers generation

one cartoon. And my thought was everything needs

to have its own feed. So in case anyone doesn't

want to hear like if you mix things like, you

know, yes, all things Transformers. Yes, everything

related to Transformers could go in there. But

if you have, say, Show about breaking bad. You

don't want somebody to bring, you know bring

a Weeds episode review it, you know what I mean?

Like right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah. Yeah,

honestly, um The only one I could think of is

like Jordan Harbinger He's got his show where

he does an interview and it's like once a week

he'll do that and once a week he'll do a Friday

feedback where somebody writes in with a problem

and then him and his producer talk about it and

And then another day of the week is Sarcastic

Sunday or Skeptical Sunday. Sorry, that's what

it's called where he talks about a topic and

him and one other person they talk about Like

say tipping you talk about why tipping is wrong

and how it started and then you get skeptical

about the idea of Why should we as a society

tip because blah blah blah. Yeah, so he's got

three different types of shows That he does every

single week, but it's all on the jordan harbinger

show like yeah I don't I see why he does it because

it's his platform. You know, he can he can do

it how he wants to but I almost feel like that

takes away from the jordan harbinger show Because

now it's a feedback friday show now. It's a skeptical

sunday show like It should I think it should

be three different platforms I I don't know because

if it's all if it's all him doing stuff it's

not separate from like here on studio 2009 we

have the whole point of studio 2009 is when Steve

and I set it up I said to Steve I said well we

don't have movie we can review anymore we do

it's we have the archive but it's not active

anymore because of the way we were edited away

I was editing stuff back I would throw two and

a half hour clips not not supposed to do that

folks I wouldn't do that, but like they would

be longer than like say 30 seconds or a minute

long kind of thing. But like, so we started our

studio 2009. And the reason why it's 2009 is

that's what the year the GCR and we started it,

the network overall. And I said, okay, we're

going to cover anything and everything in the

audio and visual medium. So if you can see it,

hear it, read it, watch it, whatever it's. Open

to like we've got a couple episodes about commercials.

We've got a top 10 Batman actor episode. We've

got What else do we have we have movie reviews?

We have this podcast approach question -and -answer

thing and whatever else so that's a huge spectrum

by the way Well, it doesn't limit us to the point

of we only have to do this one thing that's what

the other shows are for that's what like What's

another we did my good well like social loafer

I called it that because I wanted it to be ambiguous

So it could be anything. Yep. We're social we

talk about whatever we want to yeah doesn't have

to be Social loafer movie podcast, you know,

right? Yeah, it's just I get what you're saying.

Yeah, so like yeah, so When we want to do a route

like I have the Phineas and Ferb review show

I've got we did a couple years about a decade

ago We started the Showtime synergy the gym review

show where we reviewed all 65 episodes of gem

Plus the comic and everything else. So there

are ways to do specific Narrows like yeah, there

are ways to do that, but I'm just like Okay,

well what haven't we covered or what have what

did we cover that we want to revisit kind of

thing like We're revisiting. We did an episode

for Keaton for Batman and Batman returns next

episode I've said this last episode but episode

60 will be forever and Batman and Robin's so

and then after that we'll do the Dark Knight

and then after that we'll do most likely The

Batman I think I don't know if I can spend another

three hours in front of that film Dude, are we

on the same boat? I did not care for it. The

Batman. It's not that I didn't care for it. It's

that I had to break up my work. I basically had

to look at it as a video podcast. But I had to

break up when I watched it. I watched an hour

here. I watched an hour there. I watched an hour.

Three hours for a movie is too goddamn long.

There's that. But when I went to go see it, I've

seen it one time in the theaters. And so I was.

Relatively uncomfortable. It wasn't like the

greatest movie theater, right? So uncomfortable

the music and like everything was way too loud

to the point that When you hear the boom boom

booms like it was exploding my eardrums Yeah,

so I was so uncomfortable watching the movie

and it was so just dark and none of it made any

sense to me like all of a sudden there's 50 people

that are up on the roof and they're all snipers,

but nobody can shoot anybody and then all of

a sudden Batman gives himself You know HGH or

whatever to make himself go psycho and start

punching people. Nobody died He didn't stop anything

everything that was gonna happen happened like

the building flooded and yeah didn't do anything

All he did was stand there and sparkle yeah sparkly

Batman See that's the thing like I remember like,

oh, okay. I want to watch this. It's on whatever

streaming service It's on I'm like, all right.

Well, I'm paying for the streaming service. I

will watch this movie. I watched it I know I

watched it because like I said, I broke it up

into three different sections of watching it

but like Don't remember other than it being like

Batman year two or something or other like being

sort of an origin story Other than that other

than like what the riddler riddler looks like

I don't remember a damn thing from the movie

So we are gonna have to go back and and revisit

it at some point But yeah three hours too long

I do think you're right though because it's almost

it's almost in three pieces because the first

hour whatever is Batman just fighting street

crime then the second hour is like Batman and

Catwoman. And then the third hour is just Batman

and the Riddler with the whole final NC. So it's

almost like three different books. Yeah. Yeah,

absolutely. What do you see as the difference

in podcasting versus radio stuff? Like, I don't

know, the only time I've ever been on the radio

is when I called into shows, but like, like that

difference in what, you know what I mean? Like

what But everything they do versus everything

that we do kind of thing. What do you see the

differences? I think the difference is they don't

plan like they've got an idea with like headlines

that they're gonna talk about Or they've got

their little bits that they're gonna do but yeah,

it's more or less like Laughing at each other

like ah you did this thing. That was so stupid

last night Or like I saw you on Twitter last

night and you were saying stupid stuff. It's

like The morning show I listen to, it's almost

like they just rag on each other and then they'll

mix it up with headlines and then they'll mix

it up with a game that they do. It's not a natural

conversation. I think with that whole when they

talk over each other or when they say the same

word at the same time, you find that a little

annoyance and then you want to stop listening

to the show. I think I'm starting to get that

way with this morning show I listen to. Yeah,

so I I think I listen to a lot more podcasts

now than I do radio just because I think I did

find that annoyance Yeah, that is the same thing

every day Yeah, this is one of the reasons why

I pay for Spotify because if I want my music

I want my music the way I want my music and not

the way the rate like I love radio Will always

love radio radio is is what we had back in the

80s and 90s and everything else before right

before the internet and all that and everything

else, but I just I I moved here to Anderson,

Indiana from what from Vancouver, Washington

out in Vancouver. We were Karen and I were there

for Two years before she passed and I ended up

there up until last year when I moved here and

It's the first time in my entire life where I

did not seek out the morning show. Everywhere

I've lived in my 43 years, as long as I was old

enough to know what the hell I was doing, I've

always sought out morning shows because I love

being from Massachusetts. My bus came at 6 .05

or 6 .15 every morning to go to school, so I

basically had to be up at 5 a .m., shower, breakfast.

No time for cartoons. So I was a morning person.

I've been a morning person my whole life. So

morning radio would appeal to me. And I would

always just find that show, that station, those

people. And I will say that they do plan. They

do a lot of show prep. I know several radio DJs

that used to do morning shows and things like

that. generally sometimes some shows now don't

and now what they're doing is the full -on pre

-produced skits not it's not AI but it's like

fully pre -produced they'll have like a certain

caller call in but it's not a real person it's

a it's a you know it's it's Bill that's the office

clerk down the street or something kind of like

it it's so radios weird now I know I don't know

Well, so I'm just going to call them out. I listened

to Kfan morning show, sports talk radio show

that we have in town. And I listened to them

and it's gotten to the point where it used to

be three guys and then one guy got fired. They

brought in a third guy, but then their chemistry

was okay. So then they thought it would be better

if they started bringing extra guests. Every

single day like okay. Well this Thursday. We're

gonna have so -and -so on as well and this Tuesday

We're gonna have so -and -so on as well. So it

it became like known as this Amalgamation of

of characters to make the morning show and So

it almost felt cluttered and congested that it

didn't it didn't it lost its natural ability

Because they just hey welcome back Steve let's

start talking about It's like they tried to make

it natural. I don't even listen to it anymore.

When you have to force the chemistry, then there's

something wrong. I usually record these, or at

least I used to. This is the first time you and

I have ever talked over the voice -to -voice

kind of thing. But we've talked to messages and

posts and whatever else on Twitter or whatever.

And so we kind of know. But normally if I need

to test with somebody, I'll spend an hour, hour

and a half where none of that will actually be

in the show. But it's us having a conversation

to make sure that we're, you know, have some

chemistry together kind of thing. So honestly,

I just feel like I'm listening to your podcast.

Well, that's good. What is this advice that you

have for new and veteran podcasters in the art

of podcasting? Hmm Advice have fun. I mean if

it's it's the whole uh, if you're not having

fun what you're doing Stop doing it So as long

as you enjoy it just keep going, you know I don't

know. I guess that's the most basic thing I can

really think of There's so many little things

that you can really talk about like little tidbits

of each dynamic of it like the dynamic of social

media the Dynamic of editing the dynamic of finding

the right equipment that but the simplest most

basic idea is Have fun because if you have fun

the people will want to watch or listen to you.

Yeah, absolutely All right, so where can the

people find your show where is the social woofer

other than in the back of the bread truck Okay,

and to be honest with you, we actually have recorded

one time inside of the bread truck. I remember

you saying that. That was a lot of fun. Uh, I

actually I not listening back to it because that

was episode 11. Uh huh. I wanna I wanna go back

to it because it was early on in my editing so

that I can hear it now. Uh huh. Oh man, that

conversation was so rushed because I cut so much

out. So I almost want to go back and edit it

all over again with my skills now to make it

sound better. Maybe I will. But the social offer

podcast we can, I've been told that we're not

on Apple, but I've tried many times to be on

there. So I don't know what's going on, but you

know, Stitcher, Spotify. Hell, I mean, there's

platforms I've never even heard of that we're

on. Tweedle and Twitter or whatever. Yeah, there's

so many. Oh my God. So many, but we post on Buzzsprout.

So even if you Google it, it might even take

you to the Buzzsprout website. I don't know.

But, um, I listened to it on Spotify or IR radio.

Yep. That's where I listened to Spotify. Yeah.

I just searched social loafer and wait, you're

there. Hold on. Wait a second. Brian and Brian

social look no you're here here. I'll send you

the link later copy link actually Oh good. I'm

going to be your first review on iTunes. Of course.

Most people are like iTunes. What is iTunes?

Oh geez because people and it really just Bugs

me because Everybody's like oh my god podcasting.

That's so cool. But I Don't remember a thing

before Joe Rogan. I'm like kind of like what

the hell is wrong with you that didn't work Yeah,

so Yeah, I mean just like you said have fun and

all that good stuff and people listen to the

social loafer podcast It is cool. It is fun.

Like literally the the the football movie one.

I'm like, oh my god, they did Because we all

know The best football movie is 1999's varsity

blues. Oh, absolutely, dude I was begging for

that one. We we still we still quote it all the

time on the show We you know between the uh,

yeah That show is in my memory forever, I love

it that was the best that was my freshman year

of high school We love it 99 was your freshman

year. Oh god. I graduated that year fuck. I am

old No, there you go. Now, you know now, you

know and knowing is half the battle Power is

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loafer podcast What do you got coming up on the

bread truck, sir? So we were gonna record an

episode like the very last thing we're gonna

record was the best non Like main sport movies

if that makes sense like movies that are not

the main four sports so lacrosse and Croquet

and rugby and yeah. Literally the two of those

are movies I was going to talk about. But Tucker,

he's actually a ranked arm wrestling champion

in Minnesota. So we're going to talk arm wrestling

and we're going to talk a little bit about just

arm wrestling in general. So it wasn't just going

to be about the movies, but Brian was going to

do wrestling, obviously. not sports that were

non main sports movies. We're gonna do an episode

about all things Boston. Can't wait for that

one. I gotta pack the car and have it yard. Well,

shit. Now you just I was gonna try a Boston accent

at the moment. Well, you gotta see the thing

with the Boston accent is you gotta remove the

Oz. There are no Oz. It's it's ah, it's Havad.

It's a whole thing. The whole thing. I'll practice.

I'll practice. Get you clam chowda. Clam chowda.

Yeah, clam chowda. It's chowda. You have to add

an H to the end of it. Everything is an H at

the end on a lot of words from Boston. And my

accent as a kid, oh, I miss it so much. I wish

I had not. I mean, my life is what my life is

at this point. I can't go back and change it.

But if I didn't move to Kentucky when I was 13

years old and I got more of the, how do y 'all,

how are you doing today? Kind of like, I mean,

I'm talking like I'm normally talking. This is

my normal voice. I'm not putting on an accent,

but I can either go country or I can talk to

you about being in Harvard Yard at Boston and

seeing Matt Damon and Ben. Oh god, I need to

watch Good Will Hunting again. Yeah, I'll have

to study that real hard to get that accent. That's

a tough one. It's very, very awesome. If it wasn't

so damn expensive to live there, I wish I was

back in Massachusetts. Hey man, big dreams, big

dreams will happen, you know, if you try hard

enough, right? If I try hard enough and if some

rich alky leaves me in their will, so there is

that. That's not gonna happen though God is great

beer is good and people are crazy You never know

some some rich guy at a bar could give you all

his money Yeah, if I actually go to a bar, which

I don't I don't I wasn't on Twitter or some like

somebody was talking about traveling That's one

thing that Karen and I you know, she was a word

like she had she'd been to many places and things

like that I've been to many places in the US

I've been to Canada once but I've never been

outside of North America kind of thing and She

went over to Europe before I met her and everything

else She was kind of a world traveler. She loved

travel and without her here now, I'm just like

I'm just going to stay at home. If I want to

go to Russia, I'll just, you know, Google map

it and say, here I'm in Moscow. Take a screenshot

of the map. Look, I traveled. Look at me. Look

at me. Oh, it took me 10 minutes to cross the

world. And in 2000, my family took a like a two

week vacation in Sweden to go meet like very

distant relatives. So I've been to Sweden. Uh,

when I was, when I was in the army, I spent a

year in Iraq. Thank you for your service. Well,

thank you very much for the acknowledgement.

Um, outside of that, it's just traveling in the,

in the States and most of it was for the army.

Um, see when I was a teenager, we did a youth

mission trip trips, uh, for church. So I went

to California, San Francisco, uh, more specific.

I went to Chicago and I went to Montana, but

that was like. Go for a week long trip for church

to go help out the community. Yep. But other

than that, man, I, I ain't got time to travel.

I got money to travel. Exactly. Man. Yeah. It's

okay. It's okay. This bread truck and podcasting

stuff ain't getting us no cheddar. Hell no. Maybe

it'll give me some butter. Yeah, maybe. All right.

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and looking and looking I couldn't find it. You'll

have to send me the link later. But uh, yeah

uh social media i am also now on blue sky i am

also on threads which is just text for instagram

kind of thing or whatever i don't know but all

these social media things man i can't keep up

i just i posted on threads this morning nope

period closed it i posted on blue sky meh period

closed it i don't even know if they're because

i don't have notifications turned on for those

so it's like i don't know i just There's too

much I'm turning into being very anti -social

on social media. Oh my god, that'll be the death

of you Eat it no All right For now I friends

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