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welcome to Studio 2009. I'm, of course, TF2 and

Mike. And for our latest podcast approach, I'm

excited to welcome into the studio Mark Baumgarten

and Eduardo M. Friere. I forget how he actually

says his last name. Friar. You know, like Friar

Tuck, Friar Lawrence, Steve Friar. Like the Friar's

Club. Friar Duck. You shush. Never mind joining

me. I'll join you. Shake hands with Friar Duck.

You shut up. No, these guys. Yes. Yes. These

guys are from mark who 42s universe. And I actually,

we talked to them here on the cast reading. I

don't know. Number of years ago. Oh yeah. When

we did our initial, uh, syndicated spotlight

thing that we were doing, but this is podcast

approach. First of all, Mark and Eduardo, how

are y 'all doing? Well, I'm doing fine. Except

for this one, like, you know, making fun of my

birth name. I think we were both making fun of

your birthday. I don't think it was just me,

right Mike? No, don't throw Mike under the bus.

Ed blames me for everything bad in his life.

You know what? Actually, he should blame me for

one good thing in his life. Yes, that would be

his wife, right? His wife, yeah. Because of me

there together, every time they say happy anniversary,

I throw that in. Because it's my fault. It's

my fault. Well a week at Disneyland also helped

and several hundred days of talking on Skype.

You would never have met and we'll get into how

you met it later in. The explanation of our show.

Oh Lord. Okay then. And the funny thing is I'm

thinking to myself is when he says happy anniversary

to her, you should also say thank you, even if

you're not in the same room as him. Yeah. Oh

boy. All right. Getting started as podcasters.

We're going to go in alphabetical order for last

name. So mark your first and whatever you are

second. Cool. When did you first discover podcasts

and what was the first one you listened to? First,

um, it was definitely, uh, uh, Radio Friscaro,

I think. Radio Friscaro, a Doctor Who podcast

back in somewhere in the knots. The knots? The

knots, yeah. Well, you can't call them the 90s

or the 80s or 70s. They're the knots. You know,

we got out of the teens just recently. Now we're

in the 20s. But yeah, the knots. Yes, and these

20s are anything but roaring at this point. Oh

my god. I think there is some roaring. It's just

not because of prohibition and trying to stick

it to Elliott Ness. Not yet, anyway. You never

know. Could happen. Absolutely. What about you,

Eduardo? Okay, I discovered yeah, I also discovered

podcasts and the knots but for me the podcast

that kind of broke my podcast listener cherry

was a Greatest movie ever podcast hosted by Paul

Almighty. Good brazilla Chapman. Oh Very cool.

Very cool. Cool So how long after you started

listening did you want to start your own podcast?

Okay. Well, we're going to 2012 and should I

give the origin of the podcast? Would that make

sense? I'm trying to think. Yeah, sure. Mine

as well. If you don't want it, I can stop. I

don't have to go on. I can leave the show. I

can walk out right now. Funny. In 2012, I'm on

Facebook and I started chatting, Facebook chatting

with a woman named Patricia Helm. I wonder who

that is. And on April 1st, we started a Doctor

Who page called Mark Who 42 and the Tory podcast

blog. And Mark Who 42 was my character was supposed

to be a Time Lord. And she was supposed to be

She was like a TARDIS, but it was called a TORID,

and it was supposed to be real time alerts. So

we made a web, a Facebook page, and it was kind

of adult in nature. There were like pictures

of Katie Manning, you know, who posed nude with

a Dalek, but you can't really show that on Facebook.

So, you know, it was kind of adult. And then

a gentleman, a Doctor Who writer who was a fan

of our page said, you know, you probably shouldn't

do this because you'll never sustain it. And

he's right, David McEntee. So we changed it to

a regular Facebook page. And then in August,

we were like, let's do a podcast. So we started

a show called The Marku 42 and Tory Podcast,

which basically was us doing an ad -libbed plot

line podcast. It wasn't a regular podcast. It

was like a story. Uh, and we were doing that

and our show on episode two, I had met a gentleman

named Eduardo, uh, at a convention of Florida

super con I think, or, um, and he could do voices

and stuff. He was an actor and I brought him

in to play the brigadier on episode two and we've

been stuck with them ever since. I think she

got the raw deal. He should have taken her name,

not the other way around. No response, okay.

Honestly, well, yeah, no. The whole thing about

meeting at Supercon, that was true. And then

I think it also goes to say that really, actually,

I went to Supercon Well, what made me want to

start a podcast actually was just, yeah, listening

to Paul review movies. And then also I listened

to another thing that got me into podcasts was

What's on Joe Mind? Oh, I remember What's on

Joe Mind, yeah. I used to listen to those guys

and I was like, hey, I'd love to be able to go

and... I'd just love to be able to do that, do

something like What's on Joe Mind and just have

a good time doing podcasts. Actually, I think

the seed that eventually germinated into where

I am now was the fact that I went to JoeCon in

2011. And, you know, I went there and then what

happened was I wanted to go to the 2012 one,

but it was too expensive, you know, for me to

actually because 2011, it was in Orlando, you

know, in state. I forgot where 2012 was, but

it was just too expensive to have to like, you

know, fly out, get a room, you know, all that.

And so what I ended up doing was I went, you

know, I found that super con was going on and

I was like, you know what? The tickets are comparatively

cheap. I don't get an exclusive con set, but

that's a small price to pay. I went to SuperCon

and I saw Mark was selling stuff. We just started

chatting and we exchanged Facebook information.

Then one day out of the blue, I get a message

and it's like, hey, I'm doing a podcast with

this girl, Patricia. You want to join in? I'm

like, sure. The rest, they say, is history. I

never actually thought I would do a podcast.

It was never in my radar of doing. I had, when

I was a kid, sang professionally opera for the

Metropolitan Opera Company in New York. I had

been in a lot of musical theater and stuff, but

I had given up performing. It seems like that's

what I'm doing, performing again. Yep. Yeah,

pretty much. Yeah. Yes, ladies and gentlemen,

it is all illusions and mirrors and things. This

is all a performance. Yeah. But what was interesting,

like I mentioned, the show started with like

a plot and we were telling stories while reviewing

Doctor Who episodes. We had some Doctor Who episodes.

the current episodes we were reviewing. And so

when we brought him in episode two, I think that

was right around when Hurricane Isaac was coming

towards South Florida. It missed us, but Hurricane

Isaac was coming. So it was a two -part episode

with a cliffhanger. And it was basically at the

end of the second episode, the first episode

of the two -parter, the hurricane hit. And then,

yeah, so. Wow. Yeah, and it was, you know, using

my TORI, my TARDIS, we were able to get out of

there. So I think you can find the episode on

our website, markhu42 .com. I think it's an episode

called The Origins of Markhu 42. We put together.

Cause they were two half hour episodes. We put

it together as an hour episode when we aired

it on Krypton radio and then we aired it on subspace

radio network, which is what we're on now. Yeah.

Very cool. Very cool. What was your plan in getting

your podcast off the ground? Uh, plan. Are there

any things such as plans in this world? Oh, yes.

I did some research. I bought Podcasting for

Dummies, never read it. It just sat in a pile

and I basically figured it out myself. I got

a podcast feed. What feed was it? Oh, I don't

even remember what feed it was. And we just put

it out there. We advertised it on Facebook. And

to be honest, it hit. I mean, people were listening

to it. But what was it? I can't remember the

name of the podcast server. But yeah, it was

completely seat of my pants. I didn't have a

plan. I just did it. Yeah, see for me. I always

have had to make a plan first. How many episodes

is it going to be? What am I going to cover?

That kind of stuff. When I started, it was the

TFG One podcast. Well, Generation One only has

98 episodes, so there really only can, depending

on how many episodes you do per podcast, you

can only have a set number of whatever. Actually,

that's interesting because we actually only had

eight episodes of the first show. We were, we

were, no, no, there was a reason for it. We had

finished episode seven and we were like, you

know, doing this storyline and stuff, this is

gonna be, is this sustainable? Can we do this

forever? And Ed came up with this really cool

idea. So in episode eight, there was something

going on and he brought in Mad Jim Jaspers from

Marvel Comics. Yeah from the Captain Britain

comics. Yeah, and he Through I guess a dimensional

portal knocked us into the real world and at

the end of episode Because at the end of episode

8 I'm like, hi, I'm Mark Baumgarten This is Eduardo

M. Fryer and Patricia, which we never gave our

names Really except in the credits and you're

listening to mark who 42's universe and then

the following Month we started mark who 42's

universe Wow, and we've been it went on Until

2018 there was some shake -ups with my Talent

so I decided to throw it in away and it was and

throw it away is what I did really I shouldn't

have done it But at the end of 2018 and we were

on Krypton radio and I left in 2018 in September

or October I restarted the show as Marku42's

universe. We got on a station called Odyssey

Radio, which is now Subspace Radio Network, and

we re -numbered it from one. And then when we

got to episode 62, I realized, hey, that's 300

episodes since the beginning of the first show,

so we re -numbered it to 300. OK, Mr. DiDio.

Yes. Thank you. Yes, that's what we did. Definitely.

Definitely. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. That's exactly

we. Yeah, it was exactly. We're hit. We hit an

anniversary. Let's go back to the original numbering.

Totally. Yeah, that's legacy numbers. And for

me, like I. Like, like I said, when I created

TFG one, I knew it had a finite and that was

my thing. Any show I ended up doing was going

to have a finite ending as long as it was specific

review shows. It wasn't an overall or something

that was what we have shows like that. We've

done shows like that. But when I started, I was

like, Oh, I'm going to create things that start.

Run and then end and then I'm going to go on

to the next thing so that way I'm not trapped

in oh my god I have to spend the next 40 years

of my life talking about Insert whatever you

want here. Well, I mean our show was originally

was Doctor Who based and Doctor Who goes on and

on and on and so we never have an ending point

When we came back in 2018 we switched to science

fiction in general and there's tons of stuff

to talk about right Ed? Well, yeah, I mean especially

because like unfortunately You know for better

for worse You know Doctor Who at that point was

kind of the the Doctor Who Renaissance was kind

of gone You know the whole the the luster of

of Doctor Who was on a decline and it's like

and also there was like moments that were just

Totally like, you know, there were just there

were just there were moments where there was

like not a lot of Doctor Who stuff on TV So it's

so I mean it you were you're kind of stuck with

like, okay. What do we do? Yeah Next year the

60th anniversary and we're getting our TD back

We may start covering more Doctor Who. I don't

know Well, yeah, no that that's the thing though.

Yeah, it's like, you know, you had this thing

where Yeah, you know, you had a thing where just,

there was like, yeah, you know, it was just like,

Dr. Who, you know, was no longer that popular

because, yeah, Capaldi was in there and, you

know, he was an old grumpy guy, not like David

Tennant and Matt Smith, where the ladies could

go like, whoo. I had the vapors, you know, so.

Capaldi was my favorite. Oh, I love Capaldi.

Well, yeah. Well, yeah, that's the thing, though.

You weren't like. Right, right. I wasn't in the

majority. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. Yeah,

exactly. It's like it's like I hate to break

it to you, but yeah, you weren't the the the

target demographic, you know, neither. And I

mean, don't neither am I. Yeah. So it's like,

so yeah, it was in decline. So it's like, and

you know, also the hiatus between episodes. So

it's like, it's either, you know, Mark is like,

you know, and like I suggested to Mark also about

branching out because the choices are either

you start, you know, you'd have to start either,

either you go really long without having episodes

because there's nothing to talk about. Or, you

know, if you want to stick to that one topic.

You got to start going with some obscure stuff

and that is like that's like a minefield because

And there are plenty there are plenty of other

Doctor Who shows going into that minefield It's

kind of like what are we gonna do that's different

than everyone else Yeah, especially because like

and especially because you know Doctor Who originates

in the UK and I'm sure there are plenty of people

in the UK who cover, you know classic who and

It doesn't matter if Mark and I can spin plates

using our nose. If you're in the UK, are you

gonna listen to a podcast that originates from

the States or something more homegrown? Right,

but Ed, if you look at the ratings from 20...

14 to 2018 before I stopped, we had international

listeners. We had people in England because we

had guests. We had, and I bring this up, I really

don't want to, but over the years, we've had

over 150 celebrity guests on our show. That's

awesome. We had listeners everywhere. I even

had a Roku app, which we had at least 5 ,000

Subscribers to the Roku app Wow That is awesome.

I don't know why you wouldn't want to bring that

up because that is very cool This part of the

show's success. Yes. Well, it's you know, it's

cuz it's cuz and I don't I don't want to get

into gory details, but What was the main the

responsibility for that? It's tied into one of

the reasons that the show went on hiatus. One

of the reasons that the show went on hiatus,

which we won't get into. Thank you, Mike, for

understanding that we're not going on there.

Oh, no, absolutely. Yeah. No, absolutely. There

was great success, and before that happened,

there were good things. Absolutely. All right.

Which do you prefer, audio or video podcasting

as a fan and as a producer? Audio. Absolutely.

I like watching some of the special event webcasts

that podcasts do online and I do like I'm watching

virtual conventions. So technically I like watching

video panels and things. But for a podcast, I

listen to it in the car. Exactly. I can't watch

in the car. No. Not unless you want to stay alive.

insert host here and insert host like a Good

Morning America set on your heads up display

and you're not paying attention to the road,

then a video podcast essentially killed the podcast

star. And it just isn't going to work. Oh, wow.

That's good. I like that. I know, right? Mr.

Buggles. That's right. I tend to prefer, as far

as podcasts, I also prefer audio because, yeah,

you can listen to it in the car. I've had podcasts

on while I'm working on stuff, while I'm working

on writing. I've listened to podcasts in the

shower. Some people listen to music, I've listened

to podcasts. Video, it's good. Mark mentioned

it. Video is good when we're talking like, yeah,

conventions and things like that. Yeah. So, you

know, so like, yeah, San Diego Comic -Con comes

on and, you know, Warner Brothers does a big

presentation, you know, Hey, guess what? We're

doing another Batman movie. It's Batman, you

know, so it's like. yeah technically at this

point it would be like guess what we're doing

another black adam movie because we have nothing

else to do right now hey i like that movie our

last step we did a good review we did a good

review last week i didn't even see the movie

mark dude chill all i'm saying is is that when

i was because i think i think what they would

say good Yeah, I think what they would do is,

yeah, they go to San Diego and they go, hey kids,

coming next summer, Black Adam versus Batman.

It depends on who's Batman. Well, that's true.

Now announcing the new Batman, Michael Cera.

Well, it's a good thing you didn't say Michael

and Cera because he was Mr. Freeze in TAS. Anyway.

Hey, he was an awesome Mr. Freish. I'm not saying

he wasn't awesome. I'm just saying he was. So

my point is, is that when I, I did a couple of

convention recaps throughout 2022 and The SDCC

panels for Marvel and DC were Grand Canyon miles

apart compared to what... And I don't care if

Marvel ever does everything that Fahey announced.

If they ever do all of it, fine, great, whatever,

but at least there was variety there. All his

Warner Brothers in DC brought was, here's the

rock in a super suit. Yeah. Well, hopefully James

Gunn can do something with it. Absolutely. Here's

Superhero Rock, and the Flash movie is coming!

Don't ask about Ezra Miller's legal stuff. Just,

hey, it's the Flash, and it's got Batman! Look,

all they have to do is put in the right Flash,

and they don't have to worry about the wrong

Flash. Yeah. Yeah, I think I know what you're

talking about, and I don't see them being like,

hey kids, look! It's that Flash is not in trouble

with the law! Yeah, they're gonna be like hey,

no, he's a TV flash. Where is this flash? What

I would love them to I mean, no, I wouldn't love

them I remember them talking there was like rumors.

Oh, they're gonna cut him out and put him in

Honestly if they if they were smart Yeah, I made

myself laugh. If they were smart, what they would

do is they would have that scene from Crisis

on Infinite Earths where the two flashes met

just from movie flash perspective. But of course,

like I said, I just made myself laugh because

I said, if they were smart. Yeah, that's good.

I make jokes, I laugh, I hide the pain. Well,

look. You know, DC is a multiverse and I don't

care what anyone says about movie flash versus

TV flash because honestly, there is no other

flash currently other than Grant because I did

not care for Ezra. Ezra's a bad actor. I didn't

like him in Justice League. I'm sorry. No, he's

horrible. Dude, you didn't use the right gender

identifier. Oh, yeah. You're right. Ezra uses

they. You're right. They. They them. Excuse me.

Yeah. No. Yeah. Ezra. Well, I just think for

me, I mean, OK, whatever their current problems

are and whatever the origin of said problems,

my beef with the Ezra Miller flash is that the

way that the characters written. It's sort of

taking Peter Parker from civil, you know, from

the MCU and then making the flash that this,

you know, doide, you know, fan boyish, you know,

comic relief. And it's like, and that is where

I have, that is where I really have a problem.

But Holland is a better actor. That's the That's

the thing. I don't like Holland as Peter Parker.

He's fine as Spider -Man, but I mean, compare

the two. It's apples to oranges because the apples

are going to, you know, take the oranges out.

Anyway, what kind of setup did you have when

you first started podcasting and what do you

currently use? Well, I was first of all, we were

recording on Skype. Oh my god. Oh my god I was

using I think I was using sound Forge to edit

with and I just had I Just had a standard headset

I to be honest, I think oh it took a while before

we started having better sound because we changed

to zoom and we my microphone you know I know

people when they're doing podcasts have a great

big setup for you know all these microphones

the filters all that stuff I gotta say something

I use the Logitech H390 wired headset only because

number one I've noticed I sound good on the radio

with it and number two there's noise in my house

and this microphone cancels out everything you

cannot hear anything else in this house unless

there's a person right on top of me talking to

me this mic on this this headset cancels everything

out it's great yeah i don't i don't go in for

arms or pop filter like i have a cad u -37 condenser

mic okay i have a separate i have the What are

these these are the I'm actually taking them

off. So if you're saying anything, I can't hear

you These are the JVC stereo headphones H a RX

700 so I have had This say I've had this same

microphone since 2009 Since I started essentially

I started initially on a crappy Walmart headset

and then I upgraded Probably what I did probably

what I did. Yeah, I just you know, I just Like

the last few headsets Trish has gotten them off

Amazon and it's like like I know the one I'm

using right now is Logitech Yep, but I did have

for the longest time I had this wireless Headset,

you know headset mic which was really good. It

was like just really good I could actually there

were times where when I recorded I was walking

around and that actually helped kind of give

me some Some you know animation in my you know

in the discussion Then you know they just They

started foobarring and it's like I went back

to a wired headset and yeah, I can't walk around

as much but You know, it's still it works people

can hear me, you know and and they're yeah, and

I really love just how with Logitech how stuff

gets like blocked out like I've had times where

I am actually, you know while we're recording

I had my Fan running, you know to cool to cool

the room off. Good point And it's like I don't

think I don't think I've ever hurt mark. You

know, I don't Did you did your your pets did

they ever come in the room it because I never

hear him. I never know No, no, I mean, I know

that I know that when Trish was doing it with

us that there were a few times She did have them

in the room But but yeah, you know, it's as far

as as far as I'm concerned The most noise would

be the fan and then sometimes I may have to move

something around because I've got junk on the

floor and I don't want to step on things. Or

I sit in a wooden chair and it does creak if

I move back. I don't hear it. Yeah, see? See,

yeah. I don't hear it. You don't hear it. It's

awesome that the only noise it picks up is whatever

goes into the mic. That's a great thing. I do

swear by Logitech. It helps. Just to finish the

setup, I now use Adobe Audition to edit. Same

here. I love the Adobe products. I went to school

for web development in 2013 and I learned how

to use... everything in the Adobe master collection.

So I'm good. I make my own, you know, when we

do the pictures, the logos and everything, I

do it on Photoshop. I do it on Illustrator. I

have a good time. Yeah, that's one thing. So

for, for me, just for you guys, cause everyone

else knows this between Steve and myself, we

each came at this thing with two different skill

sets. I eventually learned how to do multi -track

editing and other editing and everything else,

and he does all the backend website stuff plus

the graphics. And I am going to have to start

learning the graphics if I want graphics. And

I do it all. I do it all. Yes, you may do it

all, but then there's Ed with his personality.

Oh, yes. Ed's personality shines through. Ed's

personality shines through. See, I bring the

personality and the umph. Yeah. But I mean it

wasn't on the show for the longest time we've

had a lot of different cast members I I think

I've been there the whole time there might have

been a period of several months where I was behind

the scenes and not on because of my when I had

My surgery and I started stuttering a little

you know I didn't want to be on the mic yeah

Yeah, there was yeah, there was a there was like

a period of time where you were Basically running

the you know, you were running the boards, you

know But I was there I've been there on maybe

I missed I've missed well Ed Ed's done some shows

that he's recorded without me But I think in

all the ten years we've been on I maybe didn't

record five percent of them at the most maybe

less Very cool. Yeah, I'd say yeah, I'd say that's

probably about accurate You know There was a

time. Yeah, there was a time where I wasn't on

the where my wife and I both well my wife right

now She just yeah, she's she's retired from podcasting.

Yeah, but There was a time that yeah, we weren't

on Mainly was just there was a lot of stuff going

on and we need to take a break You know needed

to kind of recharge the batteries, but yeah mark,

you know at some point was like, yeah You know,

I need you guys back Yeah, so, you know, we can't

you know, I we came back we came back Trish stayed

on for a little bit and then yeah Then went into

you know went into retired, you know went into

her retirement and I've stayed on you know since

then But you know, like I said, there's like

5 % of the shows I wasn't recording. I've edited

every single one. I've posted every single...

I am the guy who does that. It wouldn't be up

there without me. I'm the only one with a password

to the podcast feed and to the website and that's

me. I take full responsibility. Oh my God. Oh.

That's how I was at first where it was like,

look, I just want to be able to... you know,

record the stuff, send it to Steve. He would

edit it and then, you know, life things happened

with him and everything else. So I was like,

okay, as long as you teach me some way, somehow

to do this, I will get it done. And now I have,

I mean, we use Spreaker. So I have my own account

with them based on Spreaker. Yeah. So like, you

know, I have access to all of our feeds kind

of thing, but I think I don't need to remember

like 20 million. That's the one problem creating

a podcast network with multiple shows where I'm

the most of the time I'm the main voice. Right.

It's like, you have 50 shows. Oh, somebody asked

me in a podcast recently. So how many shows are

you actively doing right now? I'm like, at least

10, I think I don't remember. Mike, we were talking,

you know, I mentioned editing. I know that when

you do your shows and you edit your shows, you

really go to town with it, right? Yeah, because

I have nothing but... So everyone probably knows

this by now. It's the middle of... It's almost

Christmas time, folks, but last year I sadly

lost my... How was your Thanksgiving, by the

way? It was a dry turkey. I substituted popcorn

and jelly beans and all kinds of good stuff,

the good stuff. The stuff that Lucy, or not Lucy,

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Lucy. I'm sorry. The stuff

that peppermint bitch just whatever. Anyway,

so what the hell was that? Oh yeah. Without my

wife being here since she passed away, I had

nothing but time. So it's like, I need to fill

my time. So I, I told you off air that I usually

spend anywhere from 11 to 12 hours a day editing

podcasts. And sometimes that's one podcast and

sometimes that's three. It just depends on what

I do, but it's throughout the 24 hour days. So

again, as you find folks listening to this are

going to hear this in the future, but as of right

now at 7 48 p .m eastern time i could spend from

now until 7 48 a .m next the next morning various

throughout that 12 hours doing podcasting doing

whatever else organizing all of these fun copa

like it could be anything but most of the time

i'm sitting here Editing podcasts or recording

podcasts or posting about podcasts or podcasting

is my life I am a machine and you know, it's

interesting. He says is 748 but if you listen

to this showing how long it's been on so far

We started recording at four o 'clock We've been

talking for three and a half hours and you're

probably getting like 30 minutes so far How dare

you, sir? Okay, but with editing, I used to back

in from like 2014 to 2018, I would meticulously

edit because I didn't have a life at that point.

I'm not saying you don't have a life. I didn't

mean that. But I don't. I don't have a life.

Okay. Thank you. Yeah, nice attempted recovery

there, Mark. It wasn't good. I still don't have

a life, so really I could be doing it anyway.

I would take out every pause, everything, every

sound effect. If there was a little bit of noise

from the other room in someone's mic, I would

take that out. It would take me, for an hour

show, I would spend... Like you 11 12 hours doing

one hour And I got to the point in 2018 when

we came back. I'm like You know, we're on the

radio on online radio and subspace radio network

I hardly edit. I don't really edit much anymore

because I want it to sound like we're live on

the radio. Mm -hmm. And so I have I'm doing less

now I have the time if I wanted to to go into

that and I don't want to say anal, but yeah.

Well, yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot to do. And

I did it like you do. And you do it to make the

show the best it can be. That's what I was doing.

Now, I think live shows are the best we can do.

And we have the opportunity. I've been told by

Russ Haslidge, who runs Subspace Radio Network.

Shout out to Russ that if we want, we could do

the show live. Now. I loathe live. Well, everyone

else but me loathes it on the show, too, so we're

not doing it. Well, actually, hey. Oh, I thought

you didn't want to live. I thought you didn't

want to do live. No, I mean, hey, I can do live.

It just depends on when you're talking about,

because. Right, well, he would change our time

slot to accommodate you. OK. Oh, OK. It's just

that I even said, I even said, hey, you know.

Let's see how well you're paying attention in

messenger. I said that last night. Oh, you're

right. I wasn't I didn't I didn't read the messenger

yet. I'm sorry I didn't get on messenger. I'm

going to read it now. I'm going to go read it

now. No, don't go read. No. You're creating more

work. This is why I spend 11 to 12 hours a day.

Well, this gets to you and I'm glad it stays

on the show. I have no problem with it. But yeah,

we can do it live if we want. And it's an opportunity.

I did live for the longest time. Yeah. like well

you know while i was taking a break from mark

when i was taking a break for a while i did a

live show you know we did live an actual live

show on the internet called the keeping it reals

it was uh you know it was the um the brainchild

of mutual friend named Iggy. Iggy, yay! Shout

out to Iggy, Matthews and her family. Yay! You

know, hope the kids are doing really well. Anyway,

so yeah, she had like a live show and we actually

did every Saturday, like at a certain time. We'd

get on live and we would just chat for like an

hour or so. Iggy was really a cool person. I

remember when we were doing this show, episode

95 of our show, she All of a sudden, there's

a YouTube video reviewing our show, and I catch

it. I'm like, who is this person doing it? And

I find out it's Iggy. It's Iggy. And I meet her,

and I actually brought her on. She was a host

on our show for the longest time because she

reviewed us on YouTube, and she had a great presence.

Oh, yeah. No, she and I would play off each other

consistently, like whenever we did stuff together.

No, actually, you know what? Okay, in all honesty,

no, she and I had like, she and I had a different

chemistry from you and I. That's cool. That's

cool. Well, here's the thing, Mark. Here's the

thing. Here's the thing. You are with the two

of us, you're the straight man. I'm the comic

relief. Okay, think of it like here, tell you

what, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna give an

example. from like back in the day okay this

would be like perfect strangers you are larry

umbelke i go with that and unfortunately as a

straight man every once in a while i try to do

the humor and it shoots me down it doesn't because

it sometimes it's a really bad joke purposely

and sometimes it's funny but it just because

he doesn't know well He's just not going to drink

your orange juice, is he? He's not concentrating

on that now, is he? No, no, no, no. Well, because

here's the thing. Mark is a great, you know,

and Trish was Trish was like this as well. She's

a good, you know, where it's like she was, you

know, there was a long for the longest time.

I can remember she would do the news. You know,

she she was, you know, she was, you know, and

it's. That's the thing, going back to Iggy, Iggy

and I. The thing is, with Iggy and I, neither

one of us are the straight man. So it's like,

nobody takes a straight man role in this. This

is just two massive storms of just... activity

just blazing against each other. You're absolutely

correct, Ed. You're absolutely correct. That's

what you guys did. And the only thing that's

flashing in my head is at the end of that screwball

squirrel cartoon, we was twins all the time.

So was we. You know what, actually, I would not,

you know what, I would not be surprised if somehow

it turns out that Iggy and I are separated by,

you know, we're separated that... Separated at

birth. Yeah, yeah, separated at birth. That we're

either like distant, you know, we're distant

cousins or yeah. I would not be surprised at

this point. Ed. We did shout -outs to Russ, we

did shout -outs to Iggy. You think we should

give shout -outs to our current co -hosts? Yeah,

I would say, you know. So we have Zion Quiroz,

who I met at a Florida Supercon as well. I met

him, the first time I met him, he had this great

Doctor Who cosplay. So Vester McCoy, he had a

Vester McCoy outfit, 7th Doctor, and I was judging

the costume contest because as host of Markhu42,

I I still do run panels and interviews on stage

and stuff. So I was running the costume contest

and I picked him for first place. And we got

to talking and he seemed, you know, he's young.

He was, he's a millennial. I'm just saying. compared

to all of us. Compared to all of us, he's young.

Not that we'd hold it against him, he's a good

millennial. And he has a lot of Doctor Who knowledge.

I know one year he dressed up as, I don't know

if you, you're not a big Doctor Who fan, are

you Mike? See, okay, that's it. I'm going to,

I'm going to take his spotlight away here a second,

but that's the thing. When you guys first came

on to geek cast radio network, I was like, Oh,

Dr. Who I've never like, I'm like, Oh, how do

I start? What do I do? What's the first thing

I watch? And like several different people were

like, do this, do this, do this. And then one

person was like, what you really should do is

you pick one episode from each of the companions

and then watch that episode. Right. And then

I had all these people telling me to watch. What

was it? Yes. Yeah, I wouldn't tell people to

watch Blink when everyone goes I Made it like

five seconds into that episode before I was pulling

my hair out Yeah, so I'm not a Whovian at all

like I've and I don't dislike it I have no like

it's the same thing with me and Lord of the Rings.

I don't dislike it. I'm just not It's just not

my thing. It's for everyone else except for me,

apparently. Thank God we're not doing video because

right now I'm pointing at your name on the screen

and I'm doing my best Donald Sutherland from

Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Wow, okay, so

anyway, yeah, so Zion he was he dressed up as

and you wouldn't know him But it was the episode

where Tom Baker was in Paris Scarath of the Jaggeroth

and it's this spaghetti monster kind of head

green spaghetti, but it but his costume It was

an amazing costume. He does great cosplay. So

I'm glad he's on you know what my my one of my

favorite cosplays of his Mm -hmm is he did one

which was kind of he did a multi -doctor cosplay,

huh? Where he had like elements of I can't I

may have a picture somewhere. I can't remember

exactly where it is No, but I do remember that

I do remember that cosplay and now what happens

But in power of the doctors the master does kind

of similar thing. They stole it from Zion From

Zion Probably. You know what? Yeah, I'm sure.

I'm sure Chibnall was looking through... I'm

sure that Chibnall looked through Facebook, saw

Zion's cosplay, and was like, I'm going to use

that for, you know, for the special. Yeah. Okay,

so... No, I don't think so. We also... Why don't

you talk about Vicky? Because you brought her

on. Oh, lord. Well, I didn't... Yeah, I don't

know. I don't know if you could really blame

me, but yeah, yeah, yeah, it was Trish before

she I think Vicky was kind of Trish kind of picked

Vicky as her Yeah Vicky Jakubowski, we first

met her because Trish and I have done duty on

like multiple podcasts one of the ones we do

Which was like a live one? Was called the Disney

verse podcast. Mm -hmm and what that was Was

a you know, that one was you know all about like

Disney stuff, you know, we'd get together with

You know with a few other people and we would

just talk Disney news and things like that You

know right now that is on hiatus. The host has

been taking care of an ill family member. It's

been on hiatus, but then Trish and I thought,

hey, let's bring Vicky on. Let's bring Vicky

on and let's bring her on. Let's make her part

of it. She's really good. She's really good.

She's also not very much of a straight man. Not

at all. She and I can like play off each other.

It's It's almost like you know it's almost like

you know married couple on a sitcom we can we

can you know we can really like you know it's

You know we people say we bicker like a married

couple Ed. So you can't have more than one big

amist I'm switching to Mormonism. What I'm seeing

and hearing here is polygamy and podcasting.

Oh, great. That's one thing we don't need. Hey,

you know what? What was that show on HBO? The

polygamy show, Big Love. There you go. Big Love,

yeah. The Big Love of podcasting. Yeah, Marku42.

And all I can see is a bunch of Daffy's and Donald's

fighting over piano time. You know what? I would

say that was probably Iggy and I. We're Daffy

and Donald and Hooper and Roger Rabbit. Does

anybody understand what this duck is saying?

Actually, that would be Iggy. Iggy would be Daffy.

I'd be Donald. And Vicki, I remember when we

were doing the show, I used to have Ed come up

with witty titles for the episodes. And then

when it was gone, I had some other people do

it. And then for a while I was doing it. But

when Vicki came on, I let her come up with the

title and the description. Give it I give that

to her and she does a great job. We got some

we have some really good titles Yeah, I yeah,

I retired I I did that for a while and I retired.

I'm just you know, I'm not yeah Cuz cuz it's

just it's one of those things where when you

you do a podcast But you also have like let's

say quote -unquote real world stuff Uh, you know,

sometimes it just gets hard to like do both see

mike. He's making fun of us He's saying he has

a life No Incorrect Notice I said notice I said

quote unquote you did you did the air quotes,

but it's hard to see air quotes I did the air

quotes because here's the thing if I could If

I could like if I won the lotto tomorrow You

know, I would just I would do stuff like this

for life. I would write I would do podcasts You

know one of the things cuz yeah, I did some performing

for a while, you know, I did some movie and TV

stuff I worked as as an extra You know, this

is one things I love about doing the podcast

is it helps me keep my skills up. Mm -hmm You

know, I can still you know, I can use this, you

know, I can use this like keep up my skill level.

It's one of these things. What really gets me

is just that I have no disrespect to members

of my family, but I have had members of the family

that I say, �Oh, I'm doing this. I'm working

on this.� Then they do the clich� of, �Yes, but

what's your real job ?� Then they don't see my

hands because my fingers are twitching because

I'm just like, ah, you know, it's like, you know,

so, and what I do is just with this sort of reserved

annoyance, I'm like, well, my day job, my nine

to five job, you know, as kind of saying, you

know, okay, yeah, I do something because I like

it when bills are paid, but, you know, it's like,

yeah, my passion, quote unquote, you know, Yeah,

so believe me. Believe me, I am more simpatico

than you realize. Next time your family asks

you about your passion, you just tell them it's

low -hanging fruit and you don't want to listen.

No, no, no. The funny thing is what you're saying

is it happens all the time. What's so funny to

me is I mentioned this to a friend of mine who

was over here helping me the other day. a new

local friend because I had just moved to this

part of Indiana. She was over here helping me

put pictures in frames and stuff so I can eventually

hang stuff up on these blank, cream -colored

white walls. I don't even know what color this

is. Anyway. Is it taupe? Hey, taupe. I'll take

taupe any day over beige. Sorry, I can't like

yeah that that oceans 11 that joke has been stuck

in my head. Yes Well, every couch is beige. Just

remember that Paul and Jamie That's a 30 year

old hit right there Wow So anyway, she was over

here and I had mentioned to her, you know, she

she had said something me and I'm like, well

look, you know Apparently according to someone

on Twitter Back in 2015 or 2016, there's nothing

worse than we were not on it. She and I were

not on a date. We're just friends. That's all

it'll ever be. But it was what I was telling

her the story. And I was like, Oh, I was on Twitter

back then. And I saw somebody say, what's the

best way to ruin a first date? Tell somebody

you either are a toy collector or you are a podcaster.

She looked at me cross -eyed like that's not

the worst thing to end. This is an example of

my problems. Once I think of something and I

can't remember the answer, while everything is

going on, I spend the entire show trying to come

up with it. Remember I said I didn't know what

podcast platform I was on? Podbean. We started

off being It just it was been working in my head

this whole time. I had to come out with it Alright

back to the story. You know what? That's you

know what? That's fine. That's fine cuz it's

like that's that's perfectly fine because You

know it happens to me all the time where I'm

just like yeah that thing You know the thing

with the thing and then all of a sudden I'll

be like I'll remember it and it's big and it's

as I'm like brushing my teeth in the evening

and I'll be like That's what it was. Yeah, I

have those moments at least five times an hour

Kidding like it like look this friend that I

was that I we were talking about something I

was trying to tell her a story and she said something

and I was listening to her what she said and

Next thing I don't like okay. Where where was

I? What was I? What was the whole point of me

telling you this long boring ass? Oh, right.

That was the point So yeah. All right. Did you

think you'd be podcasting for as long as you

have? No. No. Although I was kind of like, well,

I would hope it would be, if not podcasting,

at least something similar. Yeah. And I bet you,

yeah, I can see that with you. Yeah. Did you

have some sort of plan, Mark? Did you have an

endpoint for it? No, I was just, it was open

-ended. I was going to do it until I stopped

having fun. And to be honest, Over the years

there have been moments where I stopped having

fun Yeah, I had a lot of people on the show with

me and I didn't want to let them down and I kept

doing it But then I started liking it again.

So, you know there there are moments when you

you don't like what you're doing But if you just

keep doing and I guess that's with any job Like

I would know Oh boy Yes, mr. Beckett, oh boy

But yeah, I mean it's the thing for all of us

though I mean, yeah, you know none of us thought

like you know what that actually what what mark

is saying that is actually like a very intelligent

thing because One of the things with podcasting

one of the things that I put that is like in

my head as far as it's concerned, is to do it.

Don't do it out of a sense. Don't do something.

There are times I've come up with the topics

that we talk about on the show. One of the rules

that I follow is do not Do not be that guy who

essentially is like, oh, okay, do it out of a

sense of obligation. Do it because of this or

that. Don't like and all you know because it's

like if it stops being feel that that I think

is one of the reasons Why I walked away for a

while because I needed to get my batteries back.

I needed to get the joy back you know and then

You know because what I did not want is to wake

up one day and then just be like oh, yeah, I'm

doing this Just cuz you know it also kind of

it also Like it also extends a lot To what it

is that that we talk about Yeah, because my thing

is I don't want to talk about I want to talk

about something Because I enjoy it because I

enjoy talking about it because I want to talk

about it I don't want to talk about it because

it's the thing right? It's the thing right now

to talk about this. Oh the popular thing is this

I don't want to do that because that is That

to me, I am right there with you. Yeah. It feels

like it feels like a recipe for disaster because

what's going to happen is it's going to be just

joyless. Well, it's a recipe of disaster, but

it's also a recipe of major, major pressure.

Because look, if, if in this, to my knowledge,

again, as of this recording has not happened

yet, of course it could happen by the time this

airs. We have not gotten any news or any trailers

or anything for the next. part of Kevin Smith's

he man's suck off show. So we haven't gotten

any news about this or anything like that. But

you know, when we did, it was like, Oh, everybody

was rushing to get their reviews out. Everybody

was like, Oh, like anyone and we got early access

ourselves and we were in the same kind of rush

where it's like, we're absolutely privileged

and you know, we're thankful that Netflix gave

us the early access and all that stuff. But that

early access comes with, okay, you can do your

content and you can say this, this or this, but

you can't say this, this or this until this date,

et cetera. I hate those traps because I want

to just come on, sit down, have the recording.

It's a quote that Neil Ross used in his book.

The enjoyment is in the performance, not the

playback for me. For me, the record, like what

we're doing currently right now, this is my favorite

part. Everything else, I put so much pressure

on myself to make sure that everything is sounding

the best it can sound and I do all this other

stuff and everything else. But that's the pressure

I put on myself. That's not pressure. I'm feeling

for like, nobody's coming up to me saying, Hey,

where's the next episode of insert, whatever

show it is here. Would I like that? Sure. Maybe,

you know, I, you know, and if they, if somebody

asks me, I'll say, Hey, this is going on or this

happened or that happened or whatever. But for

me, it's all about my own. stigma of being a

14 -year podcast veteran and of me wanting to

be able to contribute to The community the way

that I do Yeah, no. Yeah, it's you know, I I

I hear that I hear that especially cuz like to

me. Well, like for example, I'm trying to think

Okay, you know, for example we you know, I don't

think we ever covered Any of the the Michael

Bay transformer stuff? I mean, I think no talked

about I think we talked about you know We did

little bits of the franchise here and there you're

relevant. But like for example, I am NOT a fan

of the Michael Bay movies I did like bumblebee

when I finally saw it but like I'm not in a rut,

you know, and then the other thing you know,

it's like for example, there was the last season

of Clone Wars I Did not watch it not because

I don't like Clone Wars It's just I didn't watch

it. You know, I didn't watch it and what I don't

want You know what? I don't want to happen is

that I watch something not because I want to

and I want to talk about it, right? But because

oh, holy crap I have to watch this because you

know, then you know Let me watch this so that

that way, you know, we can have a timely review

show Remember when I didn't want to watch Justice

League and you guys said, no, we're reviewing

it. I'm like, all right, I'll sit down and I'll

watch it. I liked it a lot, but you know, the

Zack Snyder, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean,

but see, that's the thing. That's the thing.

It shouldn't have to be. I mean, I agree. I should

have sat that show out. Yeah, exactly. See, like

that's the other thing. You know, I like the

idea that, you know, one of the things about

having a big cast. is that you don't have to

have everybody on every episode. If you cover

something and not everybody has seen it, it's

okay if person A or person C or person E hasn't

seen it. Because it's fine. Things like this

shouldn't be a chore. The stuff we talk about,

the geeky stuff we talk about. Yeah, no, like,

you know, it's one of those things where yeah,

you should you should do, you know You should

talk about the stuff you want to talk about Because

you want to not because you know, it's like Walking

Dead is what doing its final season right now.

Mm -hmm. Really? I thought that show has been

dead for a while. No, it's not It's still on

there are spinoffs that are going Yeah, but here's

the thing. It's like people could be talking

about own final season walk final season walking

dead Don't what you know, I'm not gonna binge

walking dead right now So that that way we can

join the club going well the finale of walking,

you know Okay, Lord of the Rings rings of power

came out like a few months ago. Yep We had we

didn't do a show on that we didn't do a show

on House of Dragon No, it's one of those things.

It's like we don't you know, that's everything

we don't do everything Yeah, we don't do everything

and that's fine That is fine, because I'm sure

somebody covered House of Dragon. Maybe they

ran it through the freaking wood chipper, or

maybe they loved it. But the point being that

we didn't, and that's fine. There is nothing

in the rule book that says, you got to cover

it. Oh, you got to cover it. Oh, you have to

rush and you have to watch every episode. You

have to make sure that you have... No, I know

speaking of this I know you would wanted to do

a Cobra Kai show a while back Well, I mean if

you still want to do it I'll just sit it out.

Yeah, you know what um You're hearing live radio

discussions folks. Yeah. No, I you know what

I This part has been edited. You'll never know

what was actually here. Yeah Okay, I'll say I'll

say this. I mean, thank you for the you know,

thank you for the you know Thank you for that.

Let's put a pin on that. That's a maybe, especially

because the current season ended like a couple

of months ago. Right. Well, when the new season.

Yeah, maybe when the new season. Yeah, when the

new season drops, you know, we can do that. Before

the new season to a retrospective. Yeah, maybe.

You never know. But I see what you're saying.

You don't want to have to... Don't want any something

because it's not what you want to watch if you

don't if you're not into it why binge watch it

The other thing I mean I think the other the

other thing the other thing for me and One of

the things about you know the podcast that I

that I'd listened to You know whether it was

what's on Joe mind Greatest movie ever also one

of the things that my wife and I listened to

like on trips, you know long trips We want we

listened to Kevin Smith's Hollywood Babylon.

One of the things about Hollywood Babylon and

any of these that I listen to and something that

I do as being on a podcast, I don't think we

need to be inside the actor's studio. We don't

need to be National Geographic. Right. Well,

in the sense that this is not high art. No. Okay.

I see what you're saying. It's not high art.

We don't have to treat it with serious. We don't

have to be serious business. There was one guest.

There was one guest that we had before the show

went on hiatus. In the interest of politeness,

I will not give their name. Mark, I'm sure you

know who I'm going to talk about. We don't have

to mention them. This person came on our show

and they were basically astonished. You know

negatively because we'd like to joke around we'd

like to throw jokes. We like to have fun Yeah,

they you know to them it was like insulting and

the thing is that this person Like I'm not even

gonna put in gender. This is it was nice Kellen.

No, no First of all, I can I can alleviate all

of this with with one thing I will say The person

you're talking about, I don't care who they are.

I've never met them. I don't know who that person

is. They are essentially. Today in Vietnam, the

weather will be, and there will be winds out

of, and then you guys are good morning Vietnam.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. This person. And the thing

that gets me about this person is that they thought

like they, you know, it's funny that you made

the Ian McKellen joke, Mark. Because this person

was light years away from being Ian McKellen

It's one of those you know, and it's one of those

things You know this with this person where I

mean if I'm not you know, if I wasn't the gentleman

that I am I Would be telling them who the hell

do you think you are? You know you want to promote

your you know, here's the thing you want to promote

yourself, you know, that's great That's right,

but don't expect us to you know This is the other

thing you got to know Where you're you know what

you're coming on and that's the thing this person

actually went to one of our panels Yeah, they

saw our panels. They know how we operate So why

why was it all of a sudden a shock that we're

making jokes? And the thing is, is that I am,

you know, and I have no, I have like zero, you

know, I had like zero interest in changing the

show to suit them, you know, even, and even if

it was somebody like famous, you know, okay,

I may tone some stuff down, but still my modus

operandi is I make jokes, I play around, I, you

know, I throw quips, Mark and I bounce off each

other. Mind you, there are times I think it's

like Ivan Drago versus Apollo Creed, and I'm

sorry you're Apollo Creed. I'm sorry. He kills

me. He kills me. Literally. Spoiler. Spoiler,

sorry. Yeah, there we go. Spoilers for an almost

40 -year movie. Basically, it's like that's the

thing. It's a sled. You're just turning me off,

dude. And all I can think of is that Rosebud

episode of Columbo. I thought you were going

to say the Rosebud episode of Tiny Toons. Darn,

man, you got me all excited. There's that too,

because Columbo does appear in that. But yeah,

I don't know why it was in Animaniacs. I don't

remember. Anyway. Tiny Tunes did a, I know Tiny

Tunes did a Citizen Kane parody and the whole

Rosebud thing was a part of it. It was actually,

and they changed the word Rosebud for, you know,

it was Acme. And then at the end, Montana Max

is like, yes, yes, yes, yes. Although there was

also a Rosebud joke. The critic, the critic did

a Rosebud joke where it's like the commercials,

the commercials of, it was like the commercial

stuff of, of Orson Welles later in life and did

one of those rosebud peas full of, you know,

full of, you know, full of bound, you know, full

of like full of great penis. Can we say that?

When I hear the critic, I think of John Lovitz.

Sadly, that's all I think of too. And I'm not

the biggest Lovitz fan. And the funny thing is,

is you mentioned rosebud and peas and all that.

And all I can think of is Orson Welles and they

did an amazing job at this because it is who

it is, but in the seven D, which was the seven

dwarfs animated series on Disney. Wow. I never

knew that existed. Oh yes. They did a chicken

soup ad joke that was essentially Maurice as

grumpy. Maurice LaMarche, as lumpy, basically

rehashing in July. Why would you put in July?

The other thing I think of, that same critic

joke, he's doing a commercial for peas and then

he storms out in the middle of the commercial

and he's like, I'm just going to take some for

the road. And he has a handful, he's chucking

them in his mouth. Oh god, that's But I mean,

this is also you know, it's conversations like

this This is stuff that I love hearing in podcasts

like even if the subject matter like even if

the subject matter is You know, they're talking

about The previous season of the Goldbergs or

something that it goes off into these tangents

That's the thing. I mean, there's a friend of

mine who said that one of the things he watches,

he listens to podcasts by members of the WWE.

And he was saying that one of the things he loves

is the fact that it was, yeah, you have these

conversations that, yeah, there's a topic, but

they are actually, you have these like sides.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And that's, that's the

thing. Like, yeah, absolutely. And, you know,

as long as we get back on track at some point,

you know, we always have fun and that's great.

You know, I mean, just let everyone know how

much fun we're having. It's now 2am recording

time. Just letting you know. Do you need to go

to bed, old man? Is that the problem? He may

be the oldest of the three of us, but I still

feel older than he probably is. So, all right,

how have your podcasting goals changed since

you started compared to now? Then it was to have

fun, and now it's to have fun? Okay. I mean,

really, the goals haven't changed. I want to

have more listeners, of course. But no, it's

to have fun. I don't know. I want to be popular.

That was one of the things. Over the years, I

liked my popularity. I liked my fame. Like I

said, I did the convention circuit. I was flown

out to Oklahoma City. to help run the 20th anniversary

of the Doctor Who TV movie in 2016. I've been

flown to Dallas. I was a quasi, probably an E

-List celebrity. I guess it was E -List. Would

that be right, Ed? E -List? Maybe D. Well, no,

actually, I think E -list could work. Yeah, and

I enjoyed that. And now that's not as important

anymore. So maybe that has changed. I'm not looking

for complete notoriety anymore. Yeah, that's

my change. I think it's because I've got an older

and it's less important. Yeah, I started this

when I was, I started doing my own show when

I was 28. I will be 43, February of 2023. My

main, as long as somebody listens and I have

several listeners that have been with me since

the beginning and I love them all. That's the

main, have we had some? Famous and infamous things

happen. Yes. Sure. Absolutely, but I have to

ask you this question mark Okay, and I know this

is going to be very very poor taste Okay, that

dr. Who thing you mentioned that was the 20th

anniversary Not 2016 was the 20th anniversary

of the 1996 TV movie Okay, so the show had ended

in 1989 and then they tried to bring it back

as a co -American, co -British production in

1996 with Paul McGann and it didn't take. I think

in England it was a big hit in the TV movie.

In America, they aired it against the episode

of Dan having a heart attack on Roseanne. It

was actually the series finale. The series finale,

okay. It was a major episode of Roseanne so it

didn't hit big. It's interesting because I've

interviewed the doctor from that, Paul McGann.

I got to interview Eric Roberts because he was

the master in that and the other actors. One

of the actors in there was a youngster. back

then, Jeremy Radek. I'm giving a shout out to

him. He played a character named Gareth in that

TV movie. He was the one who the doctor offered

a jelly baby to distract him so he could slip

past him. And we've had Jeremy on the show maybe

six or seven times at least. He reviews Doctor

Who episodes with us. He is such a big Doctor

Who fan. And I met him Before I mean I met him

we probably interviewed him back in 2014 but

you know 2016 I got to see him in person and

that was kind of right very cool. Very cool.

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nine questions in, folks. Can you believe it?

Are you serious? We're nine questions in out

of 30. Yep. Wow. We are going to be here until

2 a .m. Yes, we are. Well, I'm just going to

take off work tomorrow. How many vacation days

I got? Oh, Lord. Use an app for that. Don't call

them. For podcast listenership, as a listener,

what defines a good podcast to you? Fun, informative,

and I do like celebrities on my show. I like

interviews. But I also like trivia. I've got

three, well it's now two because one of them

is no longer on, but there are a few trivia podcasts

that I listen to like when I can't sleep at night.

All right, just wait, wait, don't tell me, which

is from NPR. I like Go Fact Yourself, which is,

yeah, Go Fact Yourself is a great show. They

have... like two celebrities on and there are

three rounds there's the what's the difference

round where they give you they list like two

things and you have to say what's what's the

difference between them like what's the difference

between uh at bat and uh okay it doesn't matter

but okay but the point is two things that are

very similar but there's a difference and you

can't tell then they have the next round each

guest gives three topics that they know about

and it can be anything from a ballet to sex positions

and porno from the 80s and you see you give the

i'm serious and you give those questions and

then they have one of those point, one of those

categories for you in questions to ask you. It's

never about the porn. I don't know why, but it's

never about the porn. Of course not. Why would

it be? I don't know. And so you ask the questions

and one of the questions is like a three -part

answer and then they have the celebrity behind

that question or a scholar behind that question

guesting on to it. to surprise them and give

the answers to, and they talk, they interview

this person for a while. And then they end with

a three -part question called the cluster fact.

Great names. Go fact yourself in the cluster

fact. Great titles. And so this is a question

that only a true fan of those categories you

gave would be able to answer. And it's a great

show and it's been on for a long time, many,

many years. So listen to that. And there was

another show that I really liked, another trivia

show, because like I said, trivia was my go -to

on podcasts called Ask Me Another. Have you ever

heard of that? It's no longer on, but you know

Jonathan Colton? I think I've heard of his name.

He's a musician. He does comedy stuff. He was

actually the the house band on the show. So you

had Sophia Eisenberg asking questions. And there

were celebrities on, not just regular people.

And then you had music. Sometimes they had questions

that you had that he would take a song and change

the lyrics in the song so that you would have

to answer that question. And these are my favorite

types of shows. Very cool, very cool. What about

you Eduardo to me it the fun quotient is a big

part You know, I gotta I gotta know that the

people that are doing the podcast are having

fun doing it. Mm -hmm And I mean for real having

fun not you know Not trying to fake it because

you know, it's I don't you know The informative

part is cool But you know, I want to know you

know, but like it's not It's not a deal breaker.

The big part is that you're enjoying what you

do. It's got a point. When I listen to trivia,

I learn something and I like to learn something

from whatever I'm doing. You learn a piece of

knowledge that you never need for the rest of

your life or You could learn something that when

you're in a trivia contest trying to win $50

R tab, you have the answer. That's happened.

That's happened thanks to these shows. Well,

I think my thing, you know, I just read tons

of trivia and I watch YouTube videos that can

come up with some stuff. So it's like, I don't

hell if a podcast does give me some If they do

give me something to work with, it's like, great.

If not, okay. I mean, you know, unfortunate,

but I'm not gonna like, you know, curl up in

a ball and go, nothing, nothing, my brain weeps.

And wait, wait, don't tell me is like the comedy

in there. It's kind of like. Uh, news based comedy

at times, kind of like co -bear. So I get my

co -bear, but on a podcast, I mean, I guess I

could listen to the co -bear podcast, but I don't

because I watch them on TV. So what's the point

of listening again? Oh, ouch. I think I like

watching cause you got, cause when you're listening

to the podcast, you don't get the visuals. that

he does on the show. So again, that's where I

like the visual more than the just the sound.

It's funny because I listened to, you know, like

I said, I listened to Hollywood Babylon and I

have seen, I have seen like actual video recordings.

Yeah, don't they do that on YouTube? They have

a video cast. Yeah, I've seen it and it's like,

okay, you know, they are. There are certain jokes

that actually land better because you can actually

see Kevin Smith having himself a grand old time.

You hear them react to something an audience

member says, but it's kind of cool seeing them

on stage and not just hearing their reaction,

but seeing. As a listener, what does a podcast

have to have to draw you in so you find a first

episode of whatever show it is in the first,

let's say five minutes, what does it have to

have to keep you listening? A topic that I enjoy

and I bitter have laughed in that first five

minutes. Okay. Yeah, very similar to me. It has

to be a topic that I'm interested in. I have

to know that the people doing it, that they're

enjoying themselves. I did hear a podcast once,

I forget what the subject was, but it was something

near and dear to my heart and they were just

lifeless. And it's like, and that's the thing.

And then they also were like, and then I think

that's the thing. They didn't want to make a

joke and they actually even made a point of being

like, well, we don't joke on here. And they just

went and they even trashed other podcasts that

do because they were just like, oh, other podcasts

shouldn't do that because they were trying to

be all I don't even know what they're trying

to do. Our previous guest would have loved that

show. Oh yeah, they would have probably gone

on and they would have been like, oh, thank God

for you. Exactly. But yeah, that's... Yeah, that's

never good. I think there was another one that

I tried to listen to where they were talking

about something I enjoy and you could tell by

the way that they were doing it. that they were

doing it just because it's the thing. It was

the thing at the time. And that they're not speaking

as fans. And I was just like, if you were not

a fan, why are you doing it? Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

As a listener, do you prefer short 30 minutes

to an hour and 30 minute shows or do you prefer

longer shows as in like two hours or more for

each episode? Longer shows. I enjoy longer shows.

Even if I am driving for a short distance, then

I can listen to it on the way home. Then I can

listen to it the next day. I enjoy it. Our show,

I mean, for the longest time was really long.

But then when we got on the subspace radio, even

on Krypton, we technically only had an hour because

you had to fit it in there. And so we were doing

that and I realized we are cutting our discussions

off way too short. So when we got to episode,

I guess it was 300 and something, maybe it was

315 or 320. No, no, 315. We started doing an

extended version of the show. So you have an

hour on subspace radio network. I think I was

on the champion. Yeah. And you were correct.

You were a hundred percent correct. And I'm glad

we did it because we do have the time to talk.

And if you're listening, we always do. If you're

listening on subspace radio and you want to hear

more, go to, and that way we get our podcast

ratings to go up as well. So it's, I don't know,

but no, I love longer podcasts. There's one I

listen to and well, I'll get to it later. But

yeah, I just love long podcasts. Yeah. For me,

I would say it depends. It all depends because

like, you know, certain, you know, it depends

on what you're trying to do with your podcast.

Right. Because, you know, I usually but usually

I like it when it's about about an hour or so.

Yeah, about about an hour. So maybe 90 minutes,

uh, two hours or more. Like I said, it just all

depends. Yeah. The longer podcasts are usually

like, Oh, if you're going to do a, if you're

going to do a triple shot reviewing all three

of the John Wick films, or if you're going to

do a double shot where you review two movies,

well, Let's just say each movie is on average

two hours, and I know the times vary, but okay,

so you're gonna dedicate one hour to one movie

and another hour to another movie, that's fine.

Whatever. Unless you're doing Avatar, in which

case, you know, tell your family you missed them.

Well, we usually review on TV -wise a season,

so... Yeah. You review a season in 53 minutes.

You don't. So you have 53 minutes to get into

the meat of it. And then you have the extra time

for all the cool and fun things that you purposely

didn't put in so that you had more. But I mean,

there are things you need to say, and you can't

do it in 53 minutes. I can't. OK, so since you

brought that up. When you guys are reviewing

Doctor Who episodes, what is your format for

getting it done? That's a good question. I don't

think I don't think we ever had like a form I

know that I mean I take I watch it and I take

with the rest of the team and I discuss it Yeah,

I would say that's probably yeah, I think that's

that's probably what we do, you know We try to

come up with points of discussion What I don't

you know what I'm not a fan of is if you try

and give like a synopsis because You know if

you want a synopsis go to IMDB or go to Wikipedia

or go to We used to do it when we used to review

on the old show Trish would come up with like

oh only it one or two sentence for synopsis,

but she still But we kind of abandoned that because

I think we did I think it was actually after

a convention Because we had a panel and there

was a lot of stuff We didn't get to talk about

because we were trying too hard to go, you know

point -by -point on episodes We didn't we didn't

have the time. So we're like, okay, let's just

abandon that because you know it it takes up

too much time It was a good it was a good thing

to do because yeah, if you're discussing the

show You're gonna end up talking about the plot.

Anyway, you don't need to sum it up at the beginning

and talk about it while you're talking about

it You're going to mention it. Yeah. I mean,

we used to do normally most of it for television,

film review episodes. I have currently in front

of me a five point thing where. Like, like point

one is just the facts, either just the facts

as a prerecorded segment where it's like, this

is, it's directed by this person. It's starring

this person, whatever. We would then go into

our history with whatever it is. We would then

do like a breakdown of it. So we would talk about

the plot. We would talk about the characters.

We would talk about this at the other thing.

This is how the thing held up, et cetera, et

cetera. So we have a couple of things there.

And then the last thing is basically just our

final words and then the closing of the show.

So, you know, and that's kind of how I've done

it for the longest time, but it just depends

on. Yeah. So you take real world situations.

You give the director and you talk about its

place and how it's doing. We bring it up and

we talk about it, but we don't distinctively

give a real world. We talk about the show and

what happened and how it happened and why it

happened. And yes, if the writer had something

to do with it, we will bad mouth or praise the

writer, but we don't say like Chris Chibnall

wrote this episode and, and it was directed by

this person and is got a reading of this. I don't

do that. No, that, well, what I was saying right

there is specifically for films, not, not television.

Television is like for TV. We're usually doing

stuff like, okay, this is the cast that like

we do season. Like we do. we're doing a Boy Meets

World and Girl Meets World show called Podcast

or Meets World. So we've been doing that for

a while off and on since 2016. But, you know,

and we will just, you know, break down our thoughts

on each episode of the season, you know, briefly

or whatever what the highlight was or the low,

but we don't ever really like. Like I said, we

mentioned who's starring in it or who's whatever

or if they're guest stars, but it's like we don't

dwell on the information we give our opinion.

But what I'm saying is like the formatting of

how you want the show to like the general gist

of a guideline, I guess is what I'm trying to

get at. Well, we're very loose. I keep it. I

keep it. I keep it loose. And, you know, I try

I try to have fun with it. Absolutely. Yes, and

like I said, I like information. You're getting

information even though we're being loose. We

don't like the strict structure. Now, when we

have an interview, I have questions prepared

up to wazoo and I'm ready to go. Oh, yeah. No,

no, no. I have stuff prepared, but also I always

even this is one of the great things about the

forming background is I have stuff prepared,

but I also like, I also realize there's going

to be, you know, they're going to be, it's not

going to follow the exact pattern. Stuff is going

to go astray. Yeah. So, so, you know, it's the

kind of thing like just be, know that that's,

you know, know that that, you know, have be prepared,

but know that there's a chance that your guidelines

will fall apart. It's exactly right and that's

what I do as well. I write down maybe 30 questions

and I skip around. I throw out the questions

entirely if they're bringing up a point and I

get into a conversation with them. I remember

we were doing a show. Promoting, we have a promotional

group of a comic company called The 77 Publications

in England. They do a lot of Kickstarter campaigns,

but they're great, and their stuff is great.

And I remember we had Steve McManus. Do you know

who Steve McManus is? I think I've heard of him.

Editor of 2000AD back in the 80s. Okay. So we

had him and some other people on, and we're supposed

to be promoting the thing, and in the first half

hour segment, we are talking about nothing. to

do what I had prepared. We were talking about

the weather, and there was a hurricane, so they're

asking questions, and we're talking about when

they were in America, when we were there, and

it just had nothing to do with the topic, and

it was the best. It was the most fun that I had

during an interview, and I've had some great

interviews, but we were just playing around,

and it was just amazing. Yeah, absolutely. You

have a strict structure, but you totally can...

Yeah, no, absolutely. It's just a guideline.

Look at what we've done so far. I'm about to

ask you all the... See, I can't even talk anymore.

Thirteenth question. No, the 12th question actually,

but the 30 ain't bad, I guess. But we're almost

two hours in and that's fine. This is why I created

this format when I originally started this back

over on The Pull Bag, which is our comic book

show that I do. You know, so I have comic questions

for, you know, whatever. And if the conversation

goes with places and whatever else, it goes and

then that's the way it is. Yeah. And actually

sometimes you can even get lucky and like a question

you want to ask gets answered elsewhere and you're

like, oh, I don't have to ask this question anymore.

Like, Oh, the question I'm about to ask you as

you're, as you're answering it before I asked,

like, I didn't show you this list. What, how

did you answer that before I even got a chance

to ask it? But, but yeah, no, it, it is what

it is. And it's very awesome. I'm just saying

that. Like in the preparation of whatever show

it is, I need something in fry. Cause I'm a very

visual, like. I need to be able to do my intro.

I need to be able to do my outro. And then I

need to have something in the middle showing

me a roadmap. So, you know, and a roadmap, you

know, like, like Robert Frost always says, two,

two, two roads in a wood, whatever the hell he

said. All right. So something in English teachers

ever are like, you're going to read this and

you're going to think it's awesome. It was okay.

And it's like, if I think it's awesome, getting

a good grade, right? Okay, it is so cool! It's

awesome. Everything is awesome. Oh no. Please

don't. Don't do that. I didn't say I was going

to sing. It stops me from singing all the time.

It's really bad. I mean, if you're going to sing...

This is why we don't... This is why we don't

have nice things. Well, no. This is why we don't

have people suing because of, you know, sonic

warfare. Oh, Lord. As a listener, do you start

at the beginning of a podcast, the most recent

episode, or do you jump, jump around? Okay. Well,

this is real easy, and I actually have notes

on this because I was prepared for this question.

There's a show that I listened to called From

Crisis to Crisis, a Superman podcast. It started

back, I think, in 2009, and it basically is reviewing

every ... story in the Superman saga from the

John Byrne reboot to Final Crisis. So from Crisis

on Infinite Earth to Final Crisis. It was supposed

to be a five -year journey, and they're still

not done with it. But anyway, so I started listening

to it last year. What did I do? I started with

episode one. and I am following it in order.

I think I'm on episode 74. The episodes up until

74 get to be sometimes three hours long. Again,

why I like long shows. I have all the comics,

so I read them before they review them. I'm at

Death of Superman. They're at Armageddon 2001.

I have to get that in order. I can't listen to

that out of order. It wouldn't make sense. Now,

if it's an interview show, yeah, I just pick

an interview I like. I'm trying to think of an

example. Just any interview. If I like the person

being interviewed, I'll listen to it and then

I'll skip other ones. I don't care. But if it's

something that is laid out, Yeah, I like to follow

it. When I watch a TV show, I watch it from the

beginning. I can't handle picking it up in the

middle. Very cool, very cool. I mean, yeah, podcasts.

I think of the podcasts that I've listened to

religiously, I went in order. Yeah. I do know

that with the greatest movie ever, by the time

I started listening, it was already a handful

of episodes in. So there was a little bit of

binging to catch up. But it is the end. Sometimes

I have to binge because like I can't, you know,

like, you know, Chapman will drop an episode,

you know, like once a month and then, you know,

maybe like my schedule doesn't permit me like

the the hour, you know, the 90 or whatever. So

but I, you know, I do try to like I do try to

keep current. Yeah. Whenever I can. Cool. Cool.

So from crisis to crisis, that wouldn't be Michael

Bailey's. Yeah. Yeah. The fortress of Billy.

I love this guys, dude. I've had him on before.

I found him through Tom DJ and Derek Ferguson.

May Derek rest in peace of better in the dark.

Okay. When they were talking about Superman and

low, not Superman. Why did I say Superman, Lois,

eventually get to that on the show. Now, now

is this before or after we found out what a douche

canoe Dean Kane is? That was before. Oh, okay.

Yeah. So yeah, no, I know. I like I've recorded,

like I have so many damn ideas that I want him

to do with me and for my own like I Well, he's

got so many shows too. I mean, he's got Notes

from the Long Box, Billy's Batman Podcast, The

Overlooked Dark Knight. It all comes back to

Superman. I joined the Superman homepage because

of him. Yep. He's awesome. I love that dude.

Yeah, he's great. Yeah, he's great. And Jeffrey

Taylor is not bad either. I don't know if he's

still doing the show because again, I'm still

back in their episodes from 2010, 2011. I think

he still is. There's a lot of times where I see,

yeah, Mike and Jeff. No spoilers, but as of this

recording, July 7th of this year, Mike and Jeff

finished their coverage of cover date, blah,

blah, blah. No, give the date. Give the date.

Where's the date? Hold on. Cover date, October

of 96. Yeah, so they still have what? 10 years

to cover episode 300 and they were planning to

do 200 whatever because they were going to cover

a month a week and then they do interviews sometimes

so that gets laid back then they got to the point

where there are like five or six books a week

so they couldn't do it because they're already

have two and a half hour shows so i'm at the

point where Armageddon 2001 is where they split

down to two three hour episodes and then the

next episode will be the following month in two

parts. Oh, wow. And they're going to do two parts.

And then I saw in the listings, some months get

three parts because there are eventually six

books or seven books because they cover Steel,

Supergirl, Superboy and the five titles. Oh,

I don't know how they do it. But they said it

was a five -year mission. Yeah. It's been longer.

Yeah. And it's nowhere near done. Their ongoing

mission to seek out new life and new civilizations.

Oh, and it's not weekly anymore. Like you said,

July. Yeah, and this is December. Yeah. You know

what? It's the same thing. It was the same thing

with Greatest Movie Ever. He was doing weekly

and now it's like every other week. Now he's

doing monthly. I know at least a part of it is

because it's like... Yeah, quote unquote, real

life interferes. We have to do it weekly, basically,

because we're on the radio station. If we don't

record, I'll repeat something and I'll re -edit

in a different way. I'm still working that week.

I'm not getting a week off like everyone else

is. Oh boy. Yeah, no, Michael Bailey. I didn't

realize I was going to make that connection with

you because every... Superman's my favorite superhero.

That is so cool. You throw a piece of kryptonite,

you're going to hit Michael Bailey in the head.

I don't care what color it is. Hey, Michael Bailey,

if you're listening to this, love this show.

Keep it up. Stop waiting six months between episodes.

All right. Yes, exactly. As a listener, how many

hosts are too many on one episode? Okay, we have

Four we've had I think Four is a good number

when we do interviews we some we usually cut

down the amount of people because Sometimes we

like we have three guests. So that would be seven

people. That would be way too much Yeah, I think

to have on at a time You can't go more than four

or five Now you can have hosts that do different

segments on the show So you can have an unlimited

amount of hosts on the show. Yeah, but at a time

I wouldn't put more than four or if you're doing

interviews five Yeah, yeah, I would have to yeah,

I would go I would say actually that the sweet

spot Is well first I'd say it depends on the

type of show, right? I Would say a minimum is

two people Mm -hmm, and I would say like the

the best max would be between three and four

Yeah, I'm writing. I'm right there with you.

Yeah, if you get if you get over four it starts

to get like at a time, then you start to have,

and you can even have this, depending on the

people, you could even have this with three or

four, where people just, you start to have people

talk over each other, and it starts to be like

a whole, you know, unless you have a really good

host who can kind of moderate, then you have

people talking over each other and kind of battling

each other for space, and that just doesn't work.

Yeah, no, it doesn't. So, you got to find that

sweet spot, that place where you can be like,

oh, okay, I can, you know. Now, I think Michael

Billy and Geoffrey Taylor are perfect and two

is enough on that show. Absolutely. I think that's

perfect. Yeah, just like GME, the greatest movie

ever. He, yeah, it's usually him and one other

person. And it's perfect, especially because

he's really good at, you know, he's really good

at finding the perfect, you know, when they,

when he picks a movie, he's perfect at finding

the person to go with, you know, that can compliment.

And actually it's really fun because some of

his best shows, his co -host has been his mother

or his sister. Because you know if you think

the banter that Mark and I are doing right now

if you think that's something You should hear

him. You know you should hear like him and his

sister. It's it's hilarious It's one of the it's

one of the best things I've ever heard. It's

just it's just so freaking funny Yeah, the reason

I say four Is because then if you're having a

discussion on a topic you've got basically every

side covered So it's a good discussion. When

you're at a party, how many people are talking

at the same time? And I like to show it's a party.

It's fun. Yeah, although I'll say this, that

the only thing about your party analogy is that

at a party, you will have multiple conversations

going on. There are a lot of parties where what

happens is you have the little groups and cliques

talking about things. Now, you may have a person

who can go back and forth between, but at the

party, you'll have multiple conversations. So

it's the kind of thing I would say that, yeah,

I don't know if the party analogy would work.

I withdraw my analogy, Ed, you're right. When

do you stop listening to a podcast all together?

What signifies that moment where you're just

completely done with whatever show that is? You

mean like jumping the shark? Are you Arthur Fonzarelli

going over the shark? No, I got it. Okay. Crazy

thing is I used to be on a network where I had

a show called jumping the shark. Okay. When do

I jump? I guess just when I'm... Tired of it.

I have no real reason. I don't think I'm ever

going to get tired of from crisis to crisis because

I'm just enjoying it too much. Like I said, I'm

reading the comics again along with it, so I'm

reliving my youth. Not really my youth, the 80s.

I'm already an adult in my 90s. We're talking

about fun. When the show isn't fun, what's the

point? If everyone leaves a show, if you start

losing hosts and they don't get someone else

on the show who can not replace them, not replace

them in terms of you need someone to fill the

shoes, I guess I'm talking about, to fill the

shoes. We've been lucky. On our show, we've had

12 people over the years, maybe. That's about

right, 12. And I think every iteration has worked

at the time. And I think our show now with Ed,

Zion, Vicki, and myself is a great show. And

I really do. But the show was really good with

Iggy and Ed and some other people who were on

it. You know, it's fun. I like to make sure as

long as Like we were saying before, as long as

the hosts are having fun and expressing themselves

and make me have fun, I stick with the show.

I don't quit. Like I did with some of the CW

shows. For me, I've only had to drop a podcast

once and to be honest, it was not... Like a lot

of it is just time. That's a good point It's

just it's just about time because like like for

example, the what's in your mind guys You know

you were having like three hour podcasts and

it's like If you're busy, it's like finding that

three hours to you know to be able to do that

because it's like Ugh, you know, I can't, you

know, and sometimes, okay, maybe you chop it

up into little digestible bits, but other times

it's just, I can't, I cannot take three hours

to listen to a podcast. You have a good point.

And also with time, I'm a big, big Finnish fan.

I listen to the audio plays, they do Doctor Who,

they do Blake 7, they do Saffron Steel, they

do... Space 1999 now, some of the Jerry Anderson

shows like UFO and Terrahawks and things. And

I listen to those a lot too in my car. So I have

to split my time between Big Finish and podcasts.

So I probably listen to less podcasts than I

did before. And some of it, like it says, is

time. So yeah, I should have said that before,

time. but I don't give up on them. I'll come

back to them and listen to them. The only one

I'm specifically listening to consistently right

now is crisis to crisis. The trivia ones I listen

to when I'm trying to sleep. So that's consistent

too. But yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. All

right. As podcast producers, you just mentioned

this, Mark, but as a producer, do you find yourself

listening to podcasts less and less? I don't

think it's because of that, no. Like the Doctor

Who podcast, I purposely sometimes, well now,

I don't listen to them because I don't want to

be influenced by what they're saying. I don't

want to hear a review and then have to do my

review because I don't want to A, steal their

stuff and B, don't want to change my opinion

completely because of what they said when I had

a valid opinion in the first place. Right. Yeah.

I don't think I ever listened to stuff that I'm

going to be discussing on my own. I mean, I listened

to things, but I have very differing, like I

listened to several different Transformers podcasts.

and we have a show called All Things Transformers

where we react to the news and other things and

wherever else. Actually, it's funny you mentioned

that you don't like the Michael Bay films over

on All Things Transformers. We are actually in

the winter of Bayhem here in 2022. We are going

through all six films. We are starting with Bumblebee

because it's the best one and we are ending on

The Last Night because it's the worst one. Good

luck with that. Yeah, I know, right? Listeners

will drop off by episode 3. No Listeners will

drop off by Revenge of the Fallen is worse than

Dark of the Moon. Anyway, that's a whole other

discussion. We'll be in front of the four hours.

It's 5 a .m. the next day folks. Bye This is

a two -part episode folks. I'm glad you're still

listening next week Right Eduardo, what about

you? Well, yeah, no, I still listen. I still

listen like One of the great things about GME

is that they cover stuff we won't. They cover

really obscure stuff. They cover old Godzilla

movies. Again, it's just finding the time to

listen. One thing, yeah, I do try to avoid reviews

of stuff if I know we're going to cover it. Same

as Mark, I don't want to expose myself to anything

that would color. you know, my perceptions, I

try, you know, I'll, if I know, like, for example,

if, you know, we, we covered Black Adam, like

on the last episode, if GME is, like, let's say

that GME dropped Black Adam, like the day before

we were going to record, I will hold off on listening

to it until we do our recording and then I'll

see what, you know, punch out. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, and also it avoids, I get to avoid the

thing of if they had a different opinion of just

being like, then recording and being like, oh,

and by the way, Paul Chapman, shut up, it was

awesome. And another reason I don't listen to

some of the shows purposely, a lot of times we

don't review a show the week it comes out. A

couple weeks so that people have a chance to

see it like a movie comes out Everyone's gonna

see it opening weekend. No, they're gonna see

it over the next couple weeks. So maybe three

weeks Black Adam when that when we did that review

it was three weeks later So we had people had

time to watch it before they came to our show,

you know, and it's like honestly, I hate you

know, like sometimes I get home from work and

I'm cleaning that you know, I'm cleaning dishes

in the kitchen And I, you know, and then I have

YouTube on, on the big TV. And it's like, I'll

be, you know, so I can have something, you know,

on in the background and something that I can

be watching as I'm as I'm cleaning. Right. And

what I hate is like, OK, like, like, for example,

we take the example of Black Adam. You know,

I'm scrolling through looking for something to

watch and it's like the Black Adam end credits

scene explained. And I'm like, yeah. It just

came out. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'll see that. You

know, it'll be Friday. It'll be free. You know,

the movie comes out Friday and it's Friday at

five o 'clock and it's like the Black Adam end

credits scene. What does this mean for the DCU?

And I'm like, can I watch the movie for Christ's

sake? Exactly. Yeah. Like, can you give me a

day or two before you start posting this? Yeah.

And like you said, Mark, I don't want to. Take

anyone else's thunder. I want to be able to come

at it with my own opinion and also I hate and

I blame Netflix for this, but I hate oh Here's

episode one this week. Here's episode two. I

stopped doing appointment television when Netflix

came on the scene and gave me 13 episodes or

26 episodes at a time and told me to binge because

binging was the new hotness. Yeah. Yeah. No,

we don't. We we we tend not to binge. Like I

think we did Cobra Kai and like little chunks

like this last season. And the thing is, is that

what I hate about the binge model is that it

creates the circumstance I was just talking about.

Yeah, that's true. We're like, for example, a

show, any show. Cobra Kai Okay, let's say okay,

so Cobra Kai just had I think their fifth season

like fourth or fifth season or now fourth Okay,

let's say season five drops tomorrow. Mm -hmm.

Okay, it drops at midnight Okay, so like for

example right now for you. It would be less than

three hours away No, technically it would be

six hours away because 3 a .m. Eastern is Midnight

Pacific. So right Yeah, yeah, but okay, but let's

say okay, let's say That yeah, it drops, you

know, drops at midnight. And then let's say you're

still up at like at like 1 30 a .m. Yeah. OK.

It dropped at midnight. And then all of a sudden

again, you have YouTube on and there are videos

saying, you know, what the end of season five

means for Cobra Kai. And it's like the show just

dropped like hours ago. What do you want to binge

it? That's fine. That's fine. I mean, if somebody

wants if it's a six episode series with one hour

apiece and they want to spend six hours watching

it back to back to back to back. Fine. No, that's

your prerogative. No, you know, I'm not saying

that that shouldn't be done. You want to do that.

That's fine. But you got to realize some people

can't stay up until midnight to catch the episode.

Some people have to get up for work at like the

crack of dawn so they can't binge it. They're

going to have to wait a day or two. They don't

need to sit there and be treated to a minefield

where it's like Uh -oh, if I click on this, I'm

going to find out what happens in episode three.

What even gets more annoying is when the thumbnail

ruins it. For example, we said Cobra Kai, season

five. Let's say in episode four, Daniel's wife

gets hit by a car. That's a big spoiler. You'll

look at the thumbnail. And it'll be Daniel's

wife on the floor bleeding, and you're like,

fuck! That's my language. No, no, no, that's

right. And I am wrong. I need to correct myself

before any of the Cobra Kai fans come after me.

September 9th was the debut of season five. So

we're in the midst of whatever the hell season

six is going to come around. Yeah. But still,

the point still stands. No, absolutely. the binge

model, unfortunately, you know, the downside

is, is that yeah, you have people who just, who

are, and, and you know what? And it's like, and

I also say like, good for you that you have the

time, but remember not everybody's you. Right.

And the thing, but the thing with the binge model

to me now is okay. I have the access. I have

the control. I don't have to binge it if I don't

want to. Right. I, I don't have, that's my point

is I don't have to, Oh my God, insert whatever

show name here now is episode one is this week.

You then have, that's my point. My point is not

to say that, Oh my God, we need to binge everything

and spoil it for everybody else. No, that's just

dumb, stupid. And that's a Dick move. My point

is I want the access of being able to watch the

show. Whenever I want from whatever room I want

exactly and if you have a review show that Does

the review a week after 10 episodes were dropped?

Yeah, what what the fuck? I mean, yeah Okay.

Now, here's the thing. I mean if you want to

chop it up into chunks and do like this at a

time Okay, that's a little better but it but

it does feel like no no one's gonna do that It's

it's gotta be you know, we're going to you know

you know the episode dropped two hours ago and

my show is on now talking about the episode it's

like yeah you know this is you know to go away

yeah to go away from podcasting for a second

uh one of the okay i have a friend on facebook

okay i'm gonna give a shout out to him okay his

name is and please forgive me if i mispronounce

your name his name is rashan and he runs like

a bunch of Facebook groups covering a variety

of geeky topics, but he actually created a spoiler

group and that's the thing if you Just came out

of the movie theater from seeing Wakanda forever,

and you want to talk to somebody about it Go

to the spoiler group You know Other I've been

in other groups including one that I'm an admin

of that, you know, I'm an admin of the Great

Basin Geeks. Okay, we have a Facebook group.

And again, we have like a moratorium on spoilers.

It's like, I think at least two weeks to a month.

Right. So, you know, whatever your thoughts are,

like for example, Wakanda Forever, whatever your

thoughts are on Wakanda Forever, you either you

go to the GBG spoiler group, or you have to wait.

Yeah. Okay, give everybody else a chance. give

everybody else a chance and even even also when

you're throwing in your comment try to give enough

space so that if for whatever reason your comment

shows up it's not glaringly there going Holy

cow, Vader's Luke's father, you know, or it's

the sled or, you know, or Kevin Spacey is Kaiser

Soze. What? That's the thing that Zuckerberg

needs to be working on to be more meta with his

Facebook is he needs to find a way for us to

add spoiler tags. to comments because I am in

several Discord groups where Discord has spoiler

tags where as long as you're writing within that

tag, no one will see it unless they click on

it so that way you don't get yourself in trouble.

You know what? It's just like for example, and

hey, what actually does better than Facebook

at this? Freaking Reddit! Reddit! You go to a

Reddit thread? And it will say this contains

spoilers. If you, you know, if you want to read

this, click here. Yep. Like it, it, it covers

it and it tells you, you click on this. You cannot

bitch and moan. You click on this, you are going

to get spoiled. Yep. And that's the thing. Like

for me, I am like, I keep up on some of the news

of the things that I'm interested in for podcasting

purposes and for other purposes, but I don't.

Like if I need to be, let's just say I don't

have a subscription to whatever service it is

that like, okay, perfect example is anything

that Apple TV does because I am not an Apple

user. Right. If we are doing a podcast about

a show that was on Apple TV that I have never

seen, that I have no interest in seeing or whatever

else, but yet I still want to know about it.

So I can, I'll read the Wikipedia article or

I'll like, like you're saying, Eduardo, I will

read spoilers if I need to read. But like this

whole thing of, Oh my God, just stop trying to

look, I am very proud of this. And I'm only saying

this because it's. timely and whatever and we're

discussing this. I have a fifth place ribbon

in my hand from 1987 when I was in second grade

and I have cerebral palsy. This was for the long

jump. I don't ever remember as a as a second

grader being able to do the damn long jump, but

it's a it's fifth place is essentially Hey, here's

your participation award. And my whole point

of even saying this thing with this ribbon right

now is that stop trying to race to be first to

spoil it for everybody else. Spoilers don't affect

me. Spoilers don't affect me personally because

I'm going to seek out whatever it is and I'm

either going to read a Wikipedia article or Reddit

article or I'm going to watch the dang show.

But like these, like I mentioned recently in

a podcast I just edited and had a month or so

ago where I was like, cause this actually happened

to me with the person I don't even talk to anymore.

We were friends and now we're not. That's fine.

But when daredevil came out. Originally on Netflix,

there was a, was it season one or six? I don't

know. It was like season two, episode three or

something. It was a daredevil versus somebody

in a stairway on Twitter. All as I said was I

absolutely love the fight choreographic and the

fight core, whatever choreography. There you

go. I love how they did that in the stairwell

because it was a confined space, and I love how

Daredevil handled himself as a blind superhero,

and I thought it looked really, really cool.

Somebody was like, oh my God, you spoiled the

entire, like, so recently I made a joke of, oh,

I'm sorry, I'm going to tell you this show that

you've seen, that you haven't seen yet. The color

of the person's uniform is purple. Oh my God.

I fucking spoiled it. Get the fuck over yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. I hate spoiler police. Okay. All

right. Let's see. So we've kind of talked about

this before. We kind of haven't. But are you

a podcast planner or are you throwing stuff at

the mic to see what sticks? Sometimes one, sometimes

the other. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty much.

But that's the nature. That's the nature of it.

Pivoting just ain't for couches, folks. As a

producer, are you a one -man show kind of host

or do you prefer working with co -hosts? Working

with co -hosts. Working with co -hosts, definitely.

I tried doing the one man show thing, I failed.

However, I will say there are several people

out there that I have listened to over the last

14, 15 years that are really, really good at

doing the one man show thing and I really do

enjoy listening to their stuff. Now, let me give,

sometimes for an interview, a one -on -one works

really well. Right. Oh, yeah. As long as it's

still part of the show, not the whole show. Well,

that's not true. Actually, Ed, you've done with

Roy Johnson, you've done one -on -ones the whole

show. In the past, I've done one -on -ones with

some of the Who guests. Yeah. I think I did a

one -on -one with Roy Johnson and I think I did

a one -on -one with Jim Sorensen. Yes, you did.

Yes. Actually, I would say that one -on -ones,

okay, even when it's an interview, it's still

a two -man show because you are playing off the

person you're interviewing. It's still a two

-man show. I did I did actually do a one -man

show once like there is once where and this was

one of those things that I look on and laugh

and I laughed at it at the time because I tried

to go big or go home and what happened was this

was after Deadpool 2 came out and what I did

was I actually I was doing key minute reels at

the time and I actually said I actually Went

out I even posted like a Facebook video on this

and I said, you know If Ryan Reynolds or any

of the cast and crew of Deadpool 2 want to come

on this show live This is when the show is happening

You know, this is when we are doing this episode.

It's gonna be live This is the number you have

to call you have an open invite. Come on and

talk about it unfortunately It that didn't end

up happening. Nobody called nobody from from

the actual film called in I just did the episode

on my own But I just ran with it and honestly

to this day I don't have an issue with that because

you got a roll with the punches You know it didn't

you know would I have loved it if somebody who

did the film would have come on and we could

have you know I could have interviewed them.

We could have gone back and forth sure but It

didn't happen, but I'm fine with it because that's

just the nature of the beast. You know, sometimes

you take a huge shot. It doesn't work. But what

you got to do is you just got to shrug and go,

OK, moving on. What should I do next? Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. And I like it. Like we've already

said, you know, I started doing one man. That's

how I started doing TFG one and you know, all

that. And I'm just like, no, I need, I need somebody

to bounce off of. And that's what co -hosts are

for. So with that in mind, besides finding co

-hosts at conventions, how do you go about finding

your co -hosts in general? Okay. Uh, sometimes

they're guests on my show. Uh, I interview them

and like. what I hear and ask them to come on.

I've done that a few times. One of them, I'll

bring him up, Patty Hawkins. Shout out to Patty.

He now does the virtual conventions with GalaxyCon.

We had him on as a guest. He was part of a comedy

group called the Geeks of Comedy. And we interviewed

him and I liked... his knowledge, I liked his

personality, so I asked him to come on and he

was. He stayed on for like a hundred episodes,

so that was cool. Very cool, very cool. What

about you, Eduardo? Well, that would be all Mark

because I don't think I've ever been in that

position where I had to... Very cool. As a producer,

do you feel like you need a mixing board and

all the fancy stuff that would essentially be

found at a radio station, or are you good with

a great microphone and headphone setup? The latter.

Yeah. All that fancy stuff is just too much for

me. Yeah. To be honest, working in a radio station

would be something I'd like to do, but it is

easier. With just your computer and and microphones

up and if I'm correct now at radio stations It's

so automated that it's not the big setups are

not there anymore. I mean there are some It's

not as crazy as it used to be. No, that's true.

Yeah as a producer How much time do you put in

the editing of the show? That's all you, Mark.

That is all you. I don't do any of it. I think

I answered that before. For five years, I spent

11 or 12 hours per hour. Now, I basically make

sure there's no profanity, make sure that there's

no crazy cross -talking takeout when there's

a major error, and then let it go as if it's

a live show. Yeah, very cool, very cool. As a

producer, do you prefer in -person recordings

or over the internet recordings via Skype, et

cetera? We have been doing it over people in

Nevada and here and in Orlando. Nevada. You're

right. I'm sorry. Say it again. Say it again.

Say it again. Nevadians, Nevada. Nevada? It's

Nevada. Nevada. That's right. That's right. I'm

from New York. It's Nevada. Exactly. So yeah,

so we had, okay, let me take this again. So we

have people in Nevada, we have people in Orlando.

I'm in South Florida. We've had people all around.

And then when we do interviews, we interview

people in England and Los Angeles. So I find

it easier to do it. On over, you know over the

internet. However, when I'm doing conventions

I love the interaction with a person getting

to see what they're doing getting to read to

visually react To something they're doing because

you know it has a point and he's right When someone's

telling a story and I'm really into it. I go,

uh -huh, right And sometimes that gets in the

way. And, you know, I do that because I'm honestly,

we all do it. I mean, like, I don't want to sit

here and listen to one of Ed's long G .I. Joe

stories and just be like, mm hmm. Right. But

I don't want to sit here and also be like, have

him talk for 20 minutes about why he loves Sergeant

Slaughter. And I'm just deathly silent. You know

what I mean? The Iron Sheik is better. The Iron

Sheik is better. By the way, I've actually met

him. Nice guy. Slaughter or Sheik or both? Slaughter.

I haven't met Sheik. Although I've heard Sheik

is like a cool guy in real life. Yeah, I met

Iron Sheik back in the 80s when he was at the

Miami Beach Convention Center. Very cool, very

cool. Yeah. And did I hear correctly? What? Did

I hear correctly that he's like a nice guy in

real life? Yeah, he's a nice guy. Very nice guy.

Oh, that's good. That's good. Very cool. Very

cool. As both a listener and a producer, do you

prefer one feed have everything or should each

type of show have its own feed? That's a good

question. Well, you know what, I think there's

probably, sorry, go ahead. There's probably pros

and cons to both. Yeah. I mean, I'd say that

having everything in one place is... is good,

you know, just so that, you know, people don't

have to go all around creation. Yeah. But there

is also something about also, you know, also

things having their own feeds because, you know,

life is a great big circus of stuff happens and,

you know, you kind of it's good to know that,

oh, you know, this feed isn't working. This feeds

working. Yeah. Yeah, I mean this question is

essentially it's actually for me more than anybody

else because I as a listener if I am listening

to your show that is let's just say general geek

show that you talk about multiple things on multiple

different episodes fine I understand that that's

great but I do not want a Let's just say Transformers

podcast to also have Voltron episodes and mask

episodes and He -Man episodes. Each of those

specific cartoons should be, if they're a review

show, should be their own feed for their own

specific. Like, yes, we all love those various

things, but we don't all want them all on one

feed. At least I personally don't. I have an

answer now. Okay. During our interview years,

we did do Doctor Who, yes, but we also covered,

even though, and we were at Doctor Who shows,

so of course we have Doctor Who, yes. Right.

But I'm pretty sure Bruce Box -Lightner was never

on Doctor Who. I'm pretty sure, well, Chase Masterson

is in Big Finish now, but when she was on DS9,

she wasn't. Gigi Edgley, John C. John, the voice

of Duke Nukem was on. So we had other genres

intruding into Doctor Who. It wasn't an intrusion.

It was fun. Don't forget, also, we had Michael

Winslow. We had Michael Winslow. Oh my God. The

Michael Winslow show was amazing. That was a

blast. How many sound effects did he do? 50 billion.

He actually, because we usually, when we have

a guest... We have them record. Hi, this is so

-and -so. You're listening to mark who 42 He

did three different versions of them with different

sound effects on each one including You're listening

to insert podcast here That is amazing Oh Michael

Winslow was a kid. Yeah, that was amazing. We

had people from red dwarf. We had people just

inspector space -time Good old, uh, Cindy Morgan,

Cindy Morgan, Lacey Underall. So when the Inspector

Space Time people were on, um, I noticed we didn't

talk about that atrocious holiday special that

was so bad that the creator's knighthood got

revoked. No, we did not. No. And as far as I

- Shout out to community, man. Yeah. And just

looking through his, his - Filmography, yeah,

no, Tron was never a part of the TARDIS. No,

no, no. Well, that's what Battle Circle liked

to get to. Well, Babylon 5, yeah. Did I say battle

circle? I meant Babylon. What did I say? Can

we take that back? Babylon 5 was damn good too.

Yes, yes it was. Let's take that out. Let's take

that out. This is going to sound blasphemous.

I actually like Babylon 5 more than DS9. Me too.

In fact, I didn't watch DS 9 No, but Mark, thank

you because now I know now I know that you know

if I end up going to sci -fi hell for that i

know i got i know i got a roommate man okay when

battle when babalon 5 came out i knew of this

it was basically the ds9 kind of stole the idea

from b5 so i was kind of against it and i didn't

watch ds9 until it got on maybe i watched a few

episodes and the rest of it i watched when it

got on netflix yeah i watched and i like it I

like DS9. Yeah, I kind of watched both almost

simultaneously. Yeah, but B5 I watched religiously.

Yeah, I think there are times I've actually just

for just for giggles, I've actually spent the

entire day talking like kosh. Oh, wow. All right.

How do you use social media to promote your podcast?

Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. I used to use Tumblr.

I'm probably going to go back on Tumblr and leave

Twitter, possibly, maybe, because I'm still having

problems with Twitter and I don't want to get

into it. No politics on this show. Yep, Twitter

and Facebook. It's all about cologne that you

just can't stand the smell of. MySpace. All right.

What is your favorite? This is going to be a

stupid question for you guys, but what is your

favorite topic to discuss on a podcast? Dr. Who?

You know what? Just depends on the day. Some

days it's Dr. Who, other days it's the MCU, and

other times, I mean, hell, I... One of the ideas

that percolated in my head is doing an entire

episode like this is run Halloween I thought

oh, let's do an entire episode on the revolving

door of death That sounds like like like you

know just about how you know like how many times

is you know? Character died in comics, and it's

like that's it. They're gone forever And then

you know wait a couple of years, and it's like

the exciting return of Fill in the blank. In

this new number one from this rebooted universal

reboot, or it's just, well, you thought I was

dead, but I actually used an escape capsule.

Yeah, but how small was the escape capsule? Ah,

see, because I stole Pym Particles. Yes, I was

hiding in the inside of Batman's cowl. No, no,

you weren't. To which, of course, then it's like,

so that explains why my scalp was itching. And

then they reproduce a panel and it's like, ah,

see, Batman was scratching his head. See, look.

It's like, okay, if you say so, whatever you

say. Yeah, there aren't many bad gags that...

that can be pulled off anymore that aren't original.

I think the last original bat gag I found was

when Batman in Justice League Unlimited or Justice

League had thrown a batarang at one of the Hawk

people and it just started beeping and the Hawk

person was like, what do you think this is going

to do Batman in his infinite voice and wisdom,

which I cannot do. May the man rest in peace.

Just to wait for it and then all of a sudden

behind Kevin Conroy Batman, you see all these

coming out from the Just wait Yeah, what is advice

you would give to new and veteran podcasters

in the art of podcasting? Don't read podcasting

for dummies. It's for dummies Yeah, I would just

say you know what dude Do it because you want

to because you enjoy it Yeah, that's all good.

You know don't don't do it. You know do you know

talk about what you want to talk about? So, you

know John wick What moving are they coming out

with four or five? If they come out with John

wick, you know 50 and it's Keanu Reeves 90 years

old and still like killing people, you know,

if you don't want to talk about it, you don't

have to talk about it. How old is he right now?

I don't think he's older than me. Possibly older

than I don't. All I know is, you know, all I

know is we are light years away from the years

where he was best known for going. Whoa. Whoa.

I could do Kung Fu. I missed the years when he

was, uh, you know, having to chase after buses

and all that stuff. This bus cannot go lower

than 50. Oh God. That sounded a little, that

sounded a little too Nick Caged. Sorry. Yeah,

it did. It's kind of hard sometimes to get a

piano going. He is 58 years old. Oh my God. Oh,

I was right. So by the time he's 90, that would

be most likely John Wick 275 considering those

films. Those films take place like within hours

of each other. They take longer to come out each

movie. I know, right? So they may only be on

John Wick 6. Absolutely. Or John Wick 10, you

know, and maybe he's in a wheelchair and then

all of a sudden takes a stroke out and like pokes

somebody in the eye and it's like, You know,

and it's like, I'm handicapped out of my way.

No, no, no. And to explain the reason he's in

the wheelchair, he gets injured in the movie

before he gets shot. And so that way they can

explain why he's in a wheelchair in the following

movie. That makes sense. Well, there you go.

See what in the previous movies he's already

walked like half a mile with four different bullet

wounds. I know. See, it actually took five bullet

holes. Takes five. Oh, man. All right. And obviously,

we know where we can get them, but tell the people,

where can the people find your shows? You can

find us on the Subspace Radio Network every week,

Monday nights at 8 o 'clock Eastern and four

other times throughout the week. www .subspace

.radio. You can go to our website for the extended

show, markhu42 .com. We're all over the net on

different podcast platforms, including Audible,

Pandora. Yeah, Pandora. Wow. I'm glad we're on

that. I am. It took a while. You can listen to

old shows. All our interview shows from the past

10 years are on our YouTube channel, Markhoo42's

universe. The handle is Markhoo42, at Markhoo42.

Actually, Mark, I think we need to give the listeners

good news. We are also now available via carrier

pigeon. We are. We have a telepath who will beam

the episode directly to your brain. Maybe I'll

go back to Roku if I get the time to do that.

Twitter it's well, it's pronounced white balloon

King, but it's spelled WHT be LL and Because

apparently I couldn't do the whole thing Like

there's a character limit. It's like, you know

what your mom's a character limit. There you

go Your mom's a character limit Oh, and Subspace

Radio is streamed on iHeart Radio and you can

get it for your Alexa home device. Very cool,

very cool. Is that before or after the Machine

Revolution? Before. Maybe after too. One day

you'll be asking, Alexa, play the latest episode

of Marku42. I will not do that for you. Meatbag.

I am no longer your slave to entertain your audio

sensors. Jonathan Colton did a great song about

that. We were talking about Jonathan Colton before.

Okay. Yeah. And my first thought was Alexa is

going to be the nemesis insurrection and all

kinds of other weird Star Trek things in the

future. All right. We're going to take another.

You wish for Star Trek. I will start playing

Star Trek 5. the final frontier please god no

you will you will listen you will watch it and

you will enjoy it and god needs a starship for

some reason that i will not tell you all right

well you killed it it's dead of course i killed

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so smoldering he's like i did jim McCoy's looking

over the corpse and it's smoldering so bad, he's

like, why the hell did you even call me? It's

obvious, Jim. You know why he called you is because

the reason why the corpse is smoldering is because

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Alright folks, that's gonna do it for this podcast

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in the afternoon the next day. The next week

this is like, okay here I didn't want to go that

far, but yeah, I mean this is You guys owe me

a bus ticket to Eureka cuz like I have to I'm

going there for Thanksgiving. Oh Miss Thanksgiving.

He did miss Thanksgiving. Yeah. Okay, then what

do you bastards owes me deviled eggs? Not me

cuz I don't cook the only way you're getting

deviled eggs out of me is if they're burnt in

the stove I don't know how to make deviled eggs.

I'm sorry, Ed. You're gonna have to go without

me. Okay, then you're screwed. Okay, then you're

really seriously screwed, man. Just go to a bakery.

I want restitution! Ed, go to your corner. Yeah,

just go to a bakery already. I don't have a corner,

man. I don't have a corner. You do now. I don't

have a corner. I have a throne! Oh, Lord. I don't

think so. It's not coming. It's here. You leave

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