STUDIO 2009
SDCC 2022 Marvel and DC Media Reveals

About this Episode
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Hello and welcome to our studio. This is Studio
2009. I'm, of course, TFJone Mike. And joining
me this time around is Mr. DJ Valentine from
Simplistic Reviews. And apparently he still has
issues too, but we're not going to go into any
of that. We might. We might look. Was gonna well,
I was gonna take a break. Okay from giving up
my issues I hit I hit them over the head with
Thor but in San Diego Comic -Con camera I was
like, you know what? I'm gonna wait I'm gonna
wait and see what you guys have for me and then
I will see if I have issues Okay, and I got to
tell you I Might have some issues. I'm gonna
put it out there. We have a live version of our
DJ Valentine has issues right on this show right
now Okay, go ahead. I'm sorry Our SDCC 22 thing
that we're talking about here tonight specifically
revolves around what was revealed at San Diego
Comic Con 2022 with Marvel and DC. Marvel Studios
and DC. Are they calling it DC Films or are they
calling it DC? Who cares? DCU, ABCDE, who cares
at this point? I don't even think they know.
It's like DC don't at this point. I mean, it's
like there's a new, you know, pink blossom on
Batman and Robin at this point. Anyway, so this
is coming from the website discussingfilm .net.
So I will have the link to this article in the
show notes, but basically San Diego Comic -Con
was this past weekend, ladies and gentlemen,
and there was a lot. that happened at San Diego
Comic -Con. Steve and I kind of talked a little
bit about the Transformers news that happened
as it happened because we recorded the Thursday
night. Like literally, I had all this other news
that we needed to catch up on. And then all of
a sudden we're recording on Thursday night, the
preview night of Comic -Con. That's the day in
the time that apparently either SDCC gave them
or whatever, but Transformers had their panel
on Thursday night. So we had all this stuff and
we'll have some other stuff in a future ATTF
to come out to talk about, to reveal. But DJ
is all about the superheroes, I think. Yeah.
Right. I mean, I know a little about Transform.
Alan Tudyk is Optimus Prime. I don't know how
that's going to work, but okay. from what I've
heard from the preview. And so, yeah, so I'll
have to send you links after the show, but there
is a, like a, like a teaser, like a promo video
that they put out and then they're putting out
like the first five minutes of the show where
the first seven, I don't know. There's like,
but there's like a promo where you get to hear
his voice and, and Who is Alan Tudyk to you just
to get this off our chest? Oh, Alan Tudyk. I
mean, that's Wash from Firefly. He's on the Resident
Alien show that's out right now. But Alan Tudyk,
he's K2SO from Rogue One. Alan Tudyk is great.
I have no problem with Alan Tudyk. He was the
Joker. I think he still is the Joker on the Harley
Quinn cartoon show. But yeah, he's great. I just
don't I've never when you say, Oh, who's gonna
do the voice of Optimus Prime, the last person
I would have thought to be Alan Tudyk. But I
mean, maybe he's good. I have not heard. Yes.
So. Oh, wow. Leaf on the wind. I did. Yeah. But
okay. So for me, where I know him from. It's
not any of that stuff. Oh Joe. He's great. He's
a great joker, by the way He doesn't I mean,
I'm sure as yeah, I know absolutely, you know,
you know, I'm not I'm not saying he isn't What
I'm like, let me just when did Harley Quinn start
about two years ago? Maybe one half years ago
Something like that. Anyway, yeah harlequin clay
face. Oh, he was clay face and the joker and
the condiment king. Holy crap He's everybody's
a fantasy play face because he does he does like
It's like a I'm an actor kind of clay face. Yeah.
Yeah. Good. Good. Good. Good That's the way he
should be played So 22 years ago and coming up
What was it 19 years ago now or whenever 2004
was so I know 2001 is 22 years ago. Mm -hmm He
was what in a night's tale. Yes. He was great
film great film Good in that everybody's good
That was unsung movies Yes, yes, it is. I sing
its praises every chance I get to anybody who
will listen so In that movie, what I remember
him saying is constantly to anyone who pissed
him off, I will thong and I'm doing them. I'm
not trying to do an Alan Tudyk. I'm just I will
thong you like that. That was what his his kid
like, you know, whatever. I think Alan Tudyk,
Nice Tale is the only movie I remember because
I love it is the only movie where the hero screams
his own name when he's about to triumph. I'm
gonna speak ill of the dead, I mean, but but
yeah, that was a little much. But you know, hey,
good on Mr. Ledger for the acting. I mean, it's
fantastic. That was great. Holy crap. Holy crap.
That movie has two jokers in it does. It does.
Oh, wow. And Robert Baratheon's kicking around
in there. A whole bunch of people. Mark Addy.
Yeah, there's a whole bunch of people. So, and
then in 2000... Well, Division's flying around
in that movie. Isn't that Paul... I think that's
the first... Yeah, Paul Bettany. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Well, that was the thing. Like, everybody...
Like, so when... I think it was either WandaVision
or whenever... Or maybe it was Ultron. Whenever
the hell Vision shows up, people were doing the
whole meme of, this is how you know Paul Bettany,
this is how I know him. And they showed the naked
scene of him. Chaucer, yeah. So anyway, and then
in 2004, he was the voice of Sonny the Robot
in I, Robot. Yes, he is Sonny the Robot. Very
good movie. Yes. So the pleasure. So, yeah. So
Alan Tuttick, amazing actor, amazing person.
I like the casting of him as Optimus Prime because
it's a voice. It's kind of like how. OK, look,
everybody that does Optimus doing Peter Cullen
tries to tries to do a Peter Cullen. I from what
I've heard, the little previews I've seen online
sounds nothing like. Not even trying to put on
an impression of the man. So I might not be I
might be out then But did you watch Transformers
animated at all? I think I watched the Netflix
one where the guy who's not Peter No, no, no,
no, no, no, no Transformers animated was from
2007. It's on to be if you don't want that we're
optimists doesn't have the faceplate Yeah, yeah,
I did see clips of that he wasn't a Peter Cullen
either Yes, he has the faceplate, but it was
the Derek J Wyatt design right show He has the
faceplate. He just doesn't always use it But
it was David Kaye as the voice of optimus so
you go from b -sports Megatron into how he would
do an optimus right and it's Completely, but
it gets so good. Anyway, so yes, Comic Con, San
Diego Comic Con 2022. We're talking about Tudik,
Alan Tudik, all Tudik. All Tudik all the time.
Tudik talk Tudik talk Tudik talk Tudik talk Tudik
talk Tudik talk Tudik talk Tudik talk Tudik talk
Tudik talk Tudik talk Tudik talk Tudik talk Okay.
Yeah. All right. So it's a, I don't. Okay. Look,
I understand DC and Warner Brothers are kind
of, you know, in a bind right now. And of course
the easiest way to get out of that bind is to
get rid of that one person and bring in the superior
flash, which is Grant. Cause it's the only way.
I warned you. I warned you. Uh, I warned you,
but you look, I sat here, this is guys, this
is off air. We in micro talk. And I was like,
look, I don't know how to promote this movie.
I don't know how you do it. The guy who's the
star of your movie is literally David Koresh.
How do you do it? How? And I guess the answer
is we don't. We don't promote it at all. No,
apparently not. So this episode of the show,
folks, I wanted to make it a balancing act. I
wanted to have us discuss how DC and Marvel each...
approach their marketing, but there really is
no contest. It's not even close. No, it's 100
% to zero, really, seriously. As I said, DiscussingFilm
.net, they have... every superhero thing that
was discussed between the two companies at SDCC
2022. We are recording this the Sunday night.
Essentially, the convention is over. The Warner
Brothers slash DC panel featured Black Adam and
Shazam 2. Right. Fury of the Gods. Yes. Yes.
Fury of the Gods. Did you like Shazam 1? I don't
even know how you feel about Shazam 1. I never
even saw it. I haven't seen it yet. No, I've,
I have been out like literally the last outside
of animated things and maybe things that are
like the last DC film I saw before the Batman,
which the Batman is just the Batman. And it's
amazing. Uh, the last DC film I saw, I'm trying
to think that was live action and not animated
was. You saw the Suicide Squad? Last one I saw
was Dark Knight Rises. Wow. That's a long time
ago, my friend. You're not tainted by the Snyderverse
at all, are you? Not really. I mean, I'm not
really tainted by it. I remember this now. I
did. Whenever I was at 2013 that MOS came out
Whatever MOS came out. I remember seeing MOS
in the theater in 2013 Okay, so that's like and
I've seen Yeah, I okay now that I'm thinking
Steve wanted to cover it for altered geek and
you never saw the bad suicide squad you saw None
no suicide squads. I've seen any suicide squads.
There's only one Yeah, I have seen the BS that
is BVS I have seen most of the most of the the
the bat fleck scenes from Snyder from just asleep
which one either other the Whedon cut Okay. So
you'll, you'll appreciate this. So you have the,
the W cut and then you have the Snyder cut. Right.
When this was all going down, I'm like, Oh God,
maybe this was, was what it was like in the dark
ages between the Lester cut and the Donner cut.
No. No, it's not. Seriously, everybody that was
comparing, not comparing, but saying the W cut
versus the Snyder cut and whatever. That's the
first thing my mind went to was the differences
between the Lester cut and the Donner cut. The
differences between the Lester cut and the Donner
cut and the Snyder cut and the Whedon cut is
that... The Lester Cut or Lester and Donner they
know what editors are. They're aware of, oh,
maybe I shouldn't shove every single shot piece
of footage in a movie. Maybe I shouldn't do that.
Maybe I should make sure the movie has, you know,
some kind of pacing to it, some kind of story
that's easy to follow because. Snyder Cut doesn't
have that. I know Snyder Cut fans are like, it's
way better than Weed 'n Cut. Weed 'n Cut sucks
for a completely different set of reasons. Weed
'n Cut is just, it's chopped to pieces, but even
if I put the pieces back, the story is crap.
It's a bad story. It's just bad. And I don't
really blame a lot of people. It's just sometimes
you get a really bad script. Terrio, I think,
wrote it or whatever. And they're doing the best
they can. I mean, Affleck's doing the best he
can. What's his name? Ray Palmer, I think, is
his name, the actor who has a problem with WB
at this point. He used, I mean, the performances,
I don't blame the actors. I kind of don't even
blame Snyder. It's just like, it's a shit sandwich.
You just gotta eat it. But yeah, those movies
are not good. They're not good at all. And the
reason, yeah. And I could be completely wrong
about this. And I would have to, and this actually
ties back into SDCC, CC or however many CCs there.
Yeah. Yeah. I've been doing that a lot recently
in podcast recordings. I've forgotten that they're
out of comic con. I don't care where it is. I
know, I know, but you know, this is the big one.
They're back to. Having it because we haven't
had it for two years this is and there were a
lot of companies and things that didn't even
like we're dropping out when we're not going
sorry not not happening. So but the reason why
I call it the BS that was BBS is because I swear
to God and I could be misremembering this. We
were taught this what altered geek launched on
was the announced the comic con announcement.
Batman versus Superman That's one of the things
the show launched on that Steve launched it on
and then it was like two years and it got to
like 2014 2015 and We're and by that point I
was like, yeah the BS that is BBS because we're
never gonna get this damn film All right, like
it was like two years two years to you I like
to call that I like to call that movie and I
again I was I wanna say down on it from the beginning,
but once it was announced, I was not happy because
that movie is premature ejaculation. You literally
had one, one movie in this universe and you went
right to BVS. You know how long, and we know
why they were trying to catch up with Marvel,
but you gotta establish Superman first. Man of
Steel, I'm not a fan of that movie, but you gotta
give me, some more time with Superman. Maybe
establish who Batman is. Maybe establish who
Batman is in this universe. Maybe establish a
lot of these things, who Lex Luthor is. They
just went right for the biggest combination ever
to try and jumpstart their way, and the people
who did this don't even work there anymore. They
tried to catch up with Marvel with one shot,
and they rushed everything. And that's why when
i and that didn't happen until 2016 marvel already
had eight years on right and when so when it
was announced people were like oh yeah this is
not going to end up well because they have i
don't even know who the superman is they haven't
even given me that's one of my issues as we're
getting into the same new comic con thing is
that apparently It hasn't changed since. What
year did Man of Steel come out? 2013? 2012? 2013?
I'll look it up. Give me a second. Since that
time, we've gotten more movies with a talking
raccoon than we've gotten with fucking Clark
Kent. So I'm a little angry that DC... 2013.
2013. So nine years, I've seen more of Groot.
I've seen more of... uh shoot in that time bucky
has been bucky brainwashed in an un -brainwashed
and we've gotten one superman movie one they
don't like superman or they don't understand
superman or they don't want to make money off
of superman and this is not just one set of people
this is like three regimes changed in dc since
manifesto has come out and they just can't figure
out how to make a freaking Superman movie. You
have Henry Cavill. Love him or hate him. He is
probably the best version of Superman you're
going to get in this generation, I think. Closest
you're going to probably get, other than maybe
Taylor, the guy who's on the Superman and Lois
show. He's really good. Tyler Hawkins. Tyler,
he's great. But Henry Cavill, you got a good
Superman. You got 50 % of it done. You cast probably
the right guy. I give Snyder credit. He cast
the right guy, Henry Cavill. To me, it looks
like what Superman looks like when Jim Lee draws
him. It's like, oh, that's Superman. Okay. Can
you give him a script? No? Okay. Can we try?
Let's do Brainiac. No? Can we get Lex Luthor?
Oh, you turn him into the Joker? Okay, whatever.
Can we just do anything with Superman? And it's
clear to me that they either don't like, and
Snyder's on record saying he doesn't like Superman,
don't like or don't understand how to make a
Superman movie anymore. What happened? How come
Captain America is the closest we've gotten to
a Superman movie Superman since Christopher Reeves?
That's insane to me how you can't do a Superman
movie. They won't even freaking announce it.
You saw how rabid the fan base was and then how
angry they were when they found that Henry Cavill
wasn't even there. They went fucking nuts because
they were like, you told me Henry Cavill was
coming now he's not coming. It's clear he has
a fan base. What makes you think today's outcome
will be any different? Because this time, I won't
stop until you're just a greasy smear on my fist.
So Henry Cavill and San Diego Comic -Con 2022.
What a debacle and it had nothing to do with
the man himself. It had to do with Deadline leaked
it and said that he was coming. And then Screen
Rant, I guess, doubled down and said he was coming.
And then he didn't show up because I think he's
filming The Witcher somewhere in Prague. And
everybody lost their freaking minds because he
didn't show up. You guys, guys, guys, you know
how if I said if I put like a whole bunch of
random people in a room and I said, name me who
this is and I put Iron Man, Captain America,
Batman and Superman in the room. Shit, I'll throw
Spider -Man in there. Everybody's gonna know
who Superman is and you guys can't make a movie
with him you get you can't even announce a movie
made You gotta understand. Okay, he made Henry
Cavill made this movie called mission impossible
fall I don't know seeing it's one of the greatest
action movies in the last ten years with this
guy named Tom Cruise. Okay, and The guy who wrote
and direct that movie is my favorite writer working
today named Christopher McCrory. Okay, he's fantastic.
He did the usual suspects. He's done Pretty much
every mission across the movie that edges tomorrow.
He's he's amazing. He just did the Top Gun movie.
He wrote that the new one in this came out and
Henry Cavill and him got to talking and Christopher
McCrory wrote a Superman script. This is the
guy who right now as we speak has maybe the biggest
his role is the guy who's behind in terms of
writing the most successful movie since the pandemic.
Hope the scene is open. OK, and he wrote a script.
our at least a spec script a pitch for a Superman
movie, you know, because you only had one since
2013 and DC Didn't even read it. They didn't
even care. They kicked him to the side and They
talked to McCrory about he goes Well, I'm not
gonna bring it up anymore because they didn't
then they didn't reject my idea. They didn't
even read it So they're either incompetent or
they don't like Superman, which makes no freaking
sense to me. You have the guy. Christopher McCrory
right now is the guy, okay? He is the dude. Top
Gun Maverick is phenomenal at this point. And
you're telling me you're gonna kick him to the
side? Just imagine this, guys. Imagine this.
Imagine this. Just close your eyes, all right?
Christopher McCrory writes a Superman script,
right? It's probably gonna be good, because Christopher
McCrory, nine times out of 10, writes a pretty
good friggin' script, okay? You got Henry Cavill,
who he's befriended because he made him the,
spoiler alert, bad guy in Mission Impossible
Follow, right? So they're friends, all right?
He's also best buddies with this little known
guy named Tom Cruise, okay? Imagine he puts Tom
Cruise in a role. Imagine that role is Lex Luthor.
Just imagine, just imagine. How good of a Superman
movie that could have probably been. They didn't
even look at it. They didn't reject it. They
didn't even look at it. So my issue in this live
version of DJ Palutena's issue is why does DC
not like Superman? What is the problem? I don't
know. They have been... When the rocks wife or
ex -wife is his agent is Henry Cavill's agent
there are throwing questions at the rock of the
Black Adam And he can't he doesn't want to like
yeah piss off his bosses But you know the rock
wants Henry Cavill to be cast as Superman again.
You know that if it benefits him financially
and If he fits they're like buds, and he can't
say anything about it because of his freaking
bosses for some Reason that I don't understand
don't want to make money off of soup. I'm giving
you money. They're trying What is that movie
where he goes? I'm giving it to you. He's not
even they just don't want to take it Why not
make a Superman movie and now shoot why not just
announce? Henry Cavill is our Superman the crowd
goes wild everybody's happy you could have them
on a You can have him be a satellite. Yeah, that's
what I'm saying. Why couldn't like, oh, he didn't
show up, but here he is. You know, like, you
know, and look, you know what I think? I personally
think and I don't know if this is factually correct
or not, but this is my personal opinion. You
look at the. Evolution of Superman on film from
78 to what was when was for 94. Yeah. 90. Yeah.
Okay. Wow. I can't believe I remember that off
top of my head. You look at the evolution of
Batman on film from 89 to 97. We all know because
everybody in the world has, even though I reserve
my own personal opinions, but everyone's opinion
in the world is that. Three and four sucked on
both characters, right? Most people do not like
the third most people So everybody loves it now
because of Batman I'm talking about because you
know, it's a mean but yeah In my own defense
and I recently defended this on the most recent
toy cast that is now online currently as of this
recording but in my own defense the only reason
why I at 17 years old in high school liked Batman
and Robin was because Alicia Silverstone was
on the poster in skin tight that leather. Thank
you very much. Right. Hey, without Batman and
Robin, you don't get the Dark Knight. So it needs
to an end. So I accept this. I accept its existence,
but it's in it's an incredibly bad film. You
know what? And that's the thing. Why can't like
what is this new predilection of not being allowed
to like things that are bad. No, no, it's bad.
Just acknowledge that it's bad. As long as you
acknowledge it's bad, you can like it as long
as you want. Just don't blow smoke up my ass
and tell me it's good, because it's not good.
It's bad. It's funny bad. It's hilarious bad.
It's meme bad. But it's bad. And the sad thing
is, along with another person that... Oh, God.
That film has the only song I ever listened to
by that one artist that you know That kind of
had a few oh yeah, yeah, yeah boy With the other
actor slash comedian person I I love him. I love
his himself comedy routine. And I love the writers
and every other cast member on the Cosby show.
But for me, it's all and I said this recently,
I don't know if I've said this on because DJ
has had the run of the place around here inside
the studio, inside the studio 2009 recently.
But for me, it's all about the fiction. It's
all about the characters, right? Like for me
as a as a, you know, I was what? When that show
premiered 80. 84. Yeah. So I was four years old.
So I grew up with it and it, you know, purple
bag and red bag. Purple bag is for all the houses,
you know, red bag is for all the houses that
you don't know. And then your parents test the
candy at the end of the night. That's how I learned
about trick -or -treating. That's what happened
in the episode. And you know, You don't ever
make egg salad the night before you turn five
and you go into the first grade. Especially by
putting it in the microwave. My point is that
we all have our things, our whatever. The whole
thing that you've been talking about is there
hasn't been a Superman movie since 2013. I personally
think it's because. You know what I think? I
told you, I think they don't like, or they don't
know how to make a Superman movie. See, that's
the thing. Like, okay, so they've had hiccups
with Superman. Let's say Superman three is a
hiccup. It's not. Overall, it's not a horrible
movie, but you know, Superman four is a. objectionably
the worst out of the four of them. Just like
Batman and Robin is, is the worst out of the
four of those, even though I personally think
Returns is, because that's a whole other bag
of cats. Anyway, what happened to Superman in
film, you went from Superman 4 to Superman Returns.
Right. A Donna remake by another guy who's canceled.
Right. If you just look at the fiction, you just
look at the plot of that movie. And like he,
while it pointed out the fact that apparently
Christopher Reeve is actually his version of
Superman was kind of stalkery, like Brandon Rouse
version of him in that film, like, holy crap
on another level, you know, for Clark, like.
Do you can't get nothing on brandon ralph as
far as clark kent goes how is the reasons point
out lowest lands underwear in the first. So my
point is from four to returns to steel you've
got two skipping stones to get to a movie that
honestly the only thing. That i liked about it
was. His parents and the way they told the origin
story when man of steel you're talking about
Yeah, I don't want to I can be here all day tearing
apart that movie. But uh, the only thing I liked
about man of steel was the casting and the score
The score is amazing. It's probably one of the
best scores he's ever done. So yes The problem
I have is that, even if I give you Man of Steel,
again, I don't like that movie. But if I give
you Man of Steel, and let's say it underperforms,
it's still Superman. It's one of the most marketable
fictional characters of all time. And you don't
have just one director. You put Snyder in a box.
Matthew Vaughan wanted to make a Superman movie.
They rejected him. Christopher McCrory, who again,
I just brought up, who is now riding high as
one of the most successful riders right now working.
Five, six, seven, and eight. I mean, they didn't
even read his thing. Like seriously, like the
man had. People want to do it. Because if they
don't know how to do it, you got two guys not
even involved with you who are telling you, I
want to do it. I got an idea. And you're not
even paying attention to them. He made Kingsman
a name. He made probably one of the best X -Men
movies. So you're not even entertaining this
with the most, again, I don't care. I love Spider
-Man, but he's not as marketable as Superman.
Superman. People have tattoos of Superman on
their freaking body. If you can't make a movie
about him, I don't understand. Part of my point
earlier was going to be, and we can move back
into Black Adam and Shazam 2, is that DC has
always used Batman as the moneymaker. They didn't
do that either this year. No, that's absolutely
true. You're right. I'm just saying, from Man
of Steel to whatever now is, they could have
made Look how many animated Superman films they've
made since 2013 a million of them They know how
to make that they know how to write Superman.
They know how to Superman is I mean Macquarie
you're right apps, but the man has a mission
possible dance card five six seven eight let
the man tap already i don't get it i don't understand
that's why when i when i say they don't either
know how to make a superman movie or don't want
to yeah when i hear the thing about mccrory it
leans to they don't want to because it's not
like this guy doesn't have bona fides yeah He
wrote the usual suspects. He's not like, he's
not a piker. Okay. He knows what he's doing.
He's not a Luddite over here. He's not some guy
he just got off the street. He has Tom Cruise
on speed dial. Okay. Skydance in on speed dial.
You'd think that Warner Brothers would jump on
that. But they play chicken with James Bond and
one with the Mission Impossible series. So what
are we talking about? And you don't take his
calls. You understand how easy it would have
been for DC if they get in this flack now that
they kind of got blown away by Marvel. Just have
people say stuff. You could have had Henry Cavill.
Do you know how wild it would have been? If Henry
Cavill walks on stage with The Rock and they
face off, one comes from one side, one comes
from the other side, they just face off. They
don't even tease a movie. They're just there,
just to show, okay, I'm back in the neighborhood.
Just anything, anything. So no, here's the thing.
So again, from the website, that'll be in the
show notes on the website, for our website, bonus
info noticed for Black Adam. Technical difficulties.
Let's move on, shall we? You know, DJ, you mentioned
a lot of things about jokers, and apparently
there have been a lot of technical difficulties.
Thanks a lot. It was just, it was Black Adam
and Shazam using electricity in their arms. Or
it was the old ladies in my building. Maybe one
of them used a toaster and a microwave at the
same time. And the power went out. So yes, black
Adam, as I was trying to say before I got so
rudely interrupted, the rock entered the panel
in midst of fog and lightning rising above the
stage and his black Adam costume for climbing.
The DC universe will never be the same again,
because anytime a WWE star is anywhere, it's
a game. Jericho taught us that it's a game. Apparently
they locked the final cut of the film last night
showing the cast in preparation for today's panel.
If you believe that, I got some swampland to
sell you because I got to work on all that special
effects. Yeah, true. But I mean, at least, okay,
yes, they, okay. By locked maybe he means that
primary principal photography is probably yeah
yeah yeah all of the actual acting and now here
come all the special effects you the real old
I'm sorry I didn't say that. So. Amidst everything
that this podcast recording is gone through this
evening I saw a story on the direct on my Google
Pixel 6 Pro feed and. Something about. What they
add what they asked to the whole superman thing
right. So they quoted hit the direct website
quoted his response. That's a great question.
Don't threaten me with a good time, because I'm
going to answer that question. Well, I will say,
as you guys know, because we're all in deep with
this mythology, it's been an age -old question
of who would win in a fight between Black Adam
and Superman. Pound for pound, they are pretty
close. I guess it probably all depends on who's
playing Superman. I'm just going to say that
and leave it at that. Because my ex -wife is
a Henry Cavill's agent. That's what he should
have finished. That's what he should have finished
the same way. Yeah, that's probably how he should
have. So that way sites like the Direct and every
other website didn't sit here and say, oh my
God, this is supposed to mean that Henry Cavill
is... Look, that's the whole... So you mentioned
Captain America earlier. That's the whole thing
with Captain America or Spider -Man. Like, oh
my God. Oh my god. Oh god, I'm blanking on his
stupid name. I want to say Maguire, but it isn't
Maguire anymore. Tom Holland. Oh my god, Tom
Holland! He's no longer spider -man because they
got somebody else to voice the character in what
if give me a freaking break How many Batman's
have we gone through since Kevin caught and it's
a whole other we just need to create a rent cast
for each other because We're gonna sit here rant
all day. So yes black Adam Shazam to Shazam fury
of the gods And that was it The only thing that
was it for DC. I mean imagine imagine this imagine
in The DC panel is you add three more things.
Okay, you for one you have the black Adam panel
blah blah blah blah blah everybody leaves as
The rocks getting up the lights go out Let's
come back on Henry Cavill standing there crowd
loses their frickin mind to do a little WWE face
off and Henry Cavill says is hey, I ain't going
nowhere and that's it Cut to the next panel,
right? Yeah. Why don't we promote? I don't know.
Another successful show that happened to come
out this year that was by DC, but didn't talk
about it at fricking Comic -Con. Why don't we
promote season two of the Peacemaker? Haven't
done anything about that. John Cena is there.
Have John Cena come out. James is in the building,
by the way, promoting Galaxy. Come talk about
Peacemaker. You don't got to even show anything.
Just talk about where the show is going to go.
You have. The the the lead and the director could
have been there the director was already there,
right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah close because the director
now has his his his Tentacles into both camps
night, which is which is it's fine. Kevin if
I can compare he's fine with it So absolutely
that peacemaker being James doesn't go anywhere.
He goes. Oh by the way After peacemaker. I'm
also working on this which has already been talked
about the Suicide Squad sequel Boom, or whatever.
Next one. Boom. Now you have two good things.
The crowd is gonna lose their crap. You have
Rock and John Cena and Henry Cavill in the same
room. It's great. Yeah, really? Yeah. Cut to
the next one. Hey, Shazam! Fury of the Gods.
Whatever. Get that stuff out of the way. Who
cares? Get the kids talking. Blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah. Show ends. Blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah. Matt Reeves comes out. Batman 2. Greenlit.
You don't even have to tell me who it is. Just
say they've greenlit the movie. They haven't
even done that yet. The Batman greenlit, done.
The panel now looks like a panel instead of Black
Adam, Shazam, bye. That was all they gave us.
That was it. I mean, and I'm dumb. these are
executives that went to Harvard and Yale and
Princeton and then then Cornell and Stanford
and they don't give a crap about promoting anything
and I'm thinking I had to Google it before as
we were talking I was like is there a DC fandom
event coming up maybe they're holding off all
this for no there's none announced so what are
you holding off for why are you not announcing
these things he's probably like this is too easy
I shouldn't even have to do anything I could've
just played the Wakanda Forever trailer and just
waved away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, look, here
you go. Here's Wakanda Forever. Here's, what
was the other one? Guardians of the Galaxy he
played. Wakanda Forever he played. She -Hulk
he played. And he played some footage from Secret
Wars, I think. Yeah, so yeah, so yeah, but literally
he could have been done said see all that DC
DC whatever the DC whatever sorry Disney Expo,
whatever Oh D3 see there and I'll play the rest
of it. He could have done that D23 or whatever
it is. Yeah. No, I guess he could have done that
because DC didn't really do anything the best
news I heard out of Warner Brothers Was that
Amanda Waller is gonna be in black Adam. I said,
okay, that's cool Yeah, she's also in the peacemaker
show. She's also in the Suicide Squad movie James
Gunn is literally standing right over there What
I don't understand how is this is this hard for
them and then they're looking around like why
is everybody? Crapping on our presentation because
you didn't have one you had black Adam, which
we already saw a trailer a couple maybe a week
a month ago Yeah, and Shazam who I mean, I'm
not you haven't seen it. I'm not a huge Shazam
fan. It's fine It's the ant -man of the DCEU.
I don't really yeah, I'm not against it I just
don't I'm not super excited about it, but that's
all you got you got you just come you just came
off of One of the best reimaginings of Batman
since Batman begins and you don't even talk about
it talk about it I saw an interview with Colin
Farrell who he got the script for the Penguin,
the first script, and he's excited. Have Mavericks
say, hey, Batman 2, greenlit, we're working on
shooting Penguin next year, here's Colin Farrell,
talk about it. And Colin Farrell could be Vsauce,
I know he's filming a movie. You have Vsauce,
I'm happy. Because I saw the interview with Colin
Farrell, which was not at San Diego Comic Con,
it was at some other... Outlet and he was yeah,
it got me excited. That's like why is this not
obscenity of comic? And he was like, this is
a great script. Um, it's he's got throw is giddy
He loves his character have him talk about it
in front of the people show you imagine if he
wasn't busy and he came on came on Which we'll
call in the makeup. Yep. That's so amazing. That's
probably gonna win an Oscar for best makeup Something
do anything. I want you guys to succeed people
think that I'm you know against DC I love the
batman still my favorite film this year and they
won't do anything. It is they're in neutral.
I don't understand it was so Deflating yeah,
it's not even the Henry Cavill stuff. It's just
they don't I They have so much stuff and they
don't do anything with it. They're they're filming
that blue beetle stupidness right right now I
saw the guy in a suit anybody want to talk about
that the Batgirl TV series with Michael Keaton
I think was me anybody talk about that anybody
JK Simmons isn't he Gordon in that anybody yeah
nothing nothing I don't understand it I don't
get it yes so we can continue to be dumbfounded
by DC and we are gonna move on to Marvel because
Marvel I mean, they just needed to hit it, like
you said, do one, say one, say all he had to
say. He didn't even have to hit a single. He
didn't even have to hit a single. He could hit
a ground rule double. Like seriously, like really
all he had to do was say Wakanda forever, drop
the microphone and walk off stage and leave.
The end of phase four will be. Black Panther
Wakanda forever coming in 2022. Now I do want
to go through these in, in order. Currently she
Hulk is the next show. I, somebody, I don't remember
who it was. And I, I, I, some website, some fan
page on Facebook and I just grabbed it myself.
I know other websites out there probably have
the more centered version of it, but I posted
the pictures of the phase four or phase five
and phase six. Right. So, you know, Ant -Man,
they're going to, you know, quantum boogaloo
it up with quantum mania. Look, there's an episode
of Phineas and Ferb called quantum boogaloo.
And every time I see quantum mania, that's the
first thing I call it. It's not a good title.
Well, yeah, it is what it is. So phase four,
like I said, ends with Wakanda forever. We saw
an official teaser for Wakanda forever. Right.
Uh, you know, so there is that. Ant -Man and
the Wasp, quantum mania. So basically this is
their family adventure for phase five. You know
how I feel about Ant -Man. I'm not down on Ant
-Man. I'm not up on Ant -Man. My only issue with
this movie is Kang is supposed to be your new
big bad. It's like, I wouldn't put, how would
I put this? Kang seems like he wouldn't fit in
this movie. This movie feels like a very like
tongue in cheek. You know, family, like you just
said, family adventure, fun, happy. Kang's supposed
to scare the shit out of you. It's supposed to
be the next Thanos. So I don't know. Again, I
haven't seen much of what they're going to do.
Maybe it fits right in. Maybe they're going to
get more serious tone with Ant -Man. Just in
the two movies I've seen, Kang doesn't really
fit. I would think it just matters, I guess,
how Majors is going to play him. I, again, I'm
not a huge fan. I wish Kang would have premiered
in something more with a little bit more meat.
to me than Ant -Man, which is like, you know,
the fun thing. It's the, you know, I wouldn't
want, you know, showing up in like, you know,
Far From Home. It's just like, it's, it's too
much of a, he's supposed to be such a, the next
big bad. And you're with a, you're with like,
you know, the Swiss Family Robinson. It's just
like, whatever. Bill Murray's in it, I guess.
I don't know what that's going to be about. Yeah,
we don't know what role Bill will be playing.
Which, I mean, I know who I know who Modok is,
but Modok to me is an Iron Man villain. And he's
a silly villain. Well, yeah, I mean, absolutely.
I mean, just look at Super Hero Squad show. I
mean, I don't know if that's a silly show. Well,
the Climation show, which was canceled too soon.
That was guy I pictured. I don't picture him
as like a serious, even though he's a machinist.
I don't mean for killing, but whatever. Yeah,
he's definitely not. Yes, Quantum Mania will
be out February 17th, 2023. Secret Invasion,
Nick Fury is back on Earth and must now face
the Skrull Invasion. So it only took them 12
years to get to the actual Skrulls. This is another
one that I think they... I have a little bit
of an issue with scroll invasion was a big friggin
deal and this is seems like they're this speeding
past this and they kind of dropped the ball on
it with Captain Marvel where They made the scrolls
good guys in that and I'm like when that happened
I was like I guess that was the twist whereas
all those girls are good guys because it was
a twist for me because I've only known the scrolls
as evil. So I thought they were going to land
the plane at the end, where I think the character
of Talos, he gets wounded, I think, near the
end of the movie in front of his daughter. And
at the time, I'm like, oh, maybe maybe his daughter's
in the comic book. The Skrull Queen is the one
that kind of precipitates the invasion of Earth
with all these scrolls. And I was like, well,
maybe she's a Skrull Queen that she holds a vendetta
because her father gets killed. No, he's alive.
OK, OK, I guess we're not doing that anymore.
Brushed he tells lives and that's it and I'm
like, okay, so you're doing a scroll thing Hi
One this should have been this should be an event.
This should be Not six episodes the scroll invasion
should be like over four movies. It's a big friggin
deal So the fact that they're gonna just squeeze
it in like a six episode thing makes me a little
worried Especially when no Avengers are gonna
probably show up other than maybe roadie So,
uh, so row. So according to this, like I said,
Nick Fury back on earth, right? Rody makes several
appearances out of armor and still no next time,
baby. It's still Cheetal Hoof. Honestly, Howard
is an all off the deep end of himself. So yeah,
you know, he's, yeah, that's true. Uh, and this
will be spring of 2023. Uh, guardians volume
three. I like that Gamora is the new leader of
the Ravagers. I liked how they filmed five different
endings so they won't get spoiled because apparently
a bunch of characters are going to die. So they
filmed endings where different characters die
so nobody will know which one is going to die
so it won't leak. I like that idea because James
Gunn is the crafty son of a gun. The five endings
thing makes me and even though I don't think
this is gonna happen because of what's going
on apparently in his own personal life, which
I don't know all the details, but I hear five
endings and I'm like, please tell me Mr. Body
Tim Curry is gonna show up. Not like that. No,
no, no. There's going to be one ending, but he
just shot five, so no dummy will go. Drax gets
murdered, so nobody will know exactly who gets
killed. That's the only reason. Yeah. And that'll
be released May 5th of 2023. Echo, summer of
2023. Loki season two, summer of 2023. The Marvels,
which... Was that supposed to be the new X -Men
movie? No, that's what Captain Marvel miss Marvel
and Monica But what was that story that came
out? I Don't know a week or so ago where they
were all like, oh, they're not calling the new
X -Men movie X -Men They're calling it that I
I don't know what I don't care. They're calling
it mutants. I believe That's right the mutants.
Well, we got the Marvels and the mutants. Okay
when the Marvels met the mutants who knows July
20th, 2023 for the Marvels. Blade, November 3rd,
2023. They didn't announce a director for that
yet, right? Yeah, the only information I have
here is a release date and the only information
I heard Kevin say on stage was a release date.
Because if they had a director for it... He would
have brought them out on stage like almost every
other thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. We're bringing it down. We need to
bring it down a little bit. Let's bring it down
a little bit so we can savor these heroes a little
bit. I only kind of, because again, based off
the information that we have here for us to be
able to talk about this is basically whatever
they've gotten from the panels and so far Echo
only has a release date, Loki season two. to
my knowledge only has a release date but there
if there were plot details it would be in here
because there's every other plot detail for the
ones that we know about right well i mean this
echo is probably going to lean into the next
thing you're probably going to announce because
i'm pretty sure uh two certain actors are going
to be an echo who are also getting their own
show so iron heart that's what echo is no not
iron heart uh matt murdoch and wilson fisk those
are yeah that's down that's down a little bit
but yeah they're gonna definitely definitely
be an echo because echo exists through them anyway
so well yes i mean absolutely that's the whole
that's the whole devilish universe there right
Yeah, so blade I I did not see Eternals. I probably
will never I will probably don't worry I'll tell
you what believe those internals right now save
you some time and some boredom. Okay, he John
Snow Finds the Ebony blade because he's the character
black knight or whatever and as he picks it up
you hear blade say Are you ready for that mister?
I forget his character's name. He does hear him
talk. You don't see him at all He's like, apparently
in the room somewhere. I don't, I don't know
what his connection with a black night is or
whatever, but that's the only part of that. That's
the, and nobody even knew it was blade. Somebody
had to, I think somebody had to come out and
say, it was, I think, uh, Chloe Zhao had to come
out and sell. We had, I was rehearsing his voice.
He's playing wait, but that's the only part of
blade you get into that. But yeah. So, all right.
So if that's all we have, is it wrong that part
of me wants to see? And I know this goes against
all of the blade mythology But isn't wrong for
me to want to see old blade as his mentor Wesley
Yeah, I mean if I had to guess they're probably
put him in there somewhere. Well problem is that
Wesley's not the most Stable person would a person
to work with so if he's willing to take second
fiddle to Mahershala I'm all for it. I don't
know if he'd be able to do that because If I
want to back anybody up into that character right
now, I think rehearsal is one hell of a good
choice. Uh, so, you know, again, it's just. I
like one of these days. Why is it every time
that I record with you? I end up having all these
damn pod I'm like one of these days we got to
do this one of these days we got to do this one
of the like sit like literally like we need to
just do a whole Wesley filmography episode. I'm
not kidding because the man regardless of what
is going on with him currently or whatever is
fine. He says, you know, he's like, you know,
you hear these stories about these actors and
these directors and some are more monstrous than
others and somebody you know usually just goes
you know crazy or whatever and you know it is
what it is what I know from what I know when
he did what we do in the shadows season one he
did a little cameo on there and what I heard
how they had to get him to do it he's a very
demanding guy so I don't know if he's gonna be
willing to Be not the character. He pretty much
put on the map in Wesley's mind, which is Pretty
true. He's the reason Marvel exists Blade on
the map. So yeah, I mean if you ask Wesley you
want to be in blade the movie blade Am I playing
blade is probably what bless is gonna say if
I'm not playing blade. You might be like am I'm
good So if he's in there, I'm all for it. Put
Wesley as old man, make him Whistler. I'm all
for that. I just don't know if they're gonna
do it. And if I don't, if we don't get Wesley,
I'm still happy. Cause I got, we got Mahershala.
Mahershala is awesome. So. Oh no. See like, I
don't want to make him Whistler. You want to
make him. I want him to be him. Basically I want
to do an old man Steve, but an old man Wesley.
I'm not for that. Okay. I don't like that idea
because then I guess then rehearsal is never
playing blade. He's playing blade science or
something. No, no, no. Okay. Okay. Okay. All
right. The release date for that is November
3rd of 2023. Remember folks. Oh wait, that's
not till a year from then. I was going to say,
remember go vote, but can't vote until next year.
Uh, iron heart release date is fall of 2023.
I don't know how they can do that without Tony
Stark because she was a big deal in the comics,
but they have their ideas. I have a feeling they'll
do something with it. I'm not over the moon about
it. Just based on Endgame. Just based on Endgame.
I can see them making up something where she
has a whole suitcase of video files. You better
home are you gonna be paying a certain someone
to make those video? Your idea is a great one
Just know the idea cost money you better call
you better call Susan Downey And since she's
his agent and say hey and his wife and hey mind
doing a whole bunch of a i jarvis stuff for iron
heart tv series with six episodes on disney plus
and hope that price is right. Because last i
checked robert and jr gets broke off boatloads
you should see how much you got paid for homecoming.
And he was only barely in it so yeah again great
idea i hope they do it i don't know if there
are. Let's head to the Coven of Chaos then. All
right, so Coven of Chaos, Agatha gets her own
show. Yay. Okay. Catherine Haun's awesome. I'm
not super excited about the show, but I love
Catherine Haun, so I'll watch it because Catherine
Haun's awesome. Okay, so let me ask you, because
I personally don't care. I personally - For the
mood about the, you know, I love her. She's great
with the character. No, no, no. But what I'm
saying is like, what I'm about to say is, How
do you feel about titles? Because I remember
when they first announced this as the house of
Harkness and now it's the coven of chaos. Like
does that, like, and for me, that doesn't really
mean like either way, I'm probably sadly not
going to watch it because I was on one decide
the whole time. So if it was up to me, I'd have
done, uh, you know how there's This is a rough
take here, but I've never been a huge fan of
either Doctor Strange movie, but I love the character
of Doctor Strange when he shows up and stuff.
He's fantastic in Ragnarok. He's fantastic in
Infinity War. I like when he's a seasoning of
a movie. I wish Agatha would have been that where
she didn't need a show. She would just show up.
I think she's almost like the Hulk where the
Hulk doesn't have that's because of licensing
issues, but Hulk is good when he shows up. or
Dr. Strange is good when he shows up, he doesn't
need his own thing. Dr. Strange, yes, he probably
needs his own thing, but Agatha doesn't need
a show for me. I love the character. I wish he
would just show up and stuff. Like if they were
doing a Scarlet Witch movie or something, or
whatever, something with the X -Men and Agatha,
the Catherine Hahn showed up. I love Catherine
Hahn as Agatha. Wherever they put her, I don't
know, TV shows like, you know, the greatest idea,
but they're mining for content. I'll watch it
because I like her. She I'm only watching it
because I like her. I don't know. My expectations
on how good the show is going to be shrug. I
have no fricking idea. I don't. Yeah, I'm just.
Yeah, I'm, you know, she's great. You. Yeah.
I mean, if you give me my idea back. Thank you.
Yes. And say, say, say that, you know, he's whether
it has to do with his wife, who's his agent or
not, but say he's kind of mellowed out over the
last couple of years. And look, I get it. The
man is worth what the man is worth and that's
fine, but I would rather watch a tech show that
is one of the reasons why I've never gotten into
that boy wizard. Like I said this on I said this
on the last episode of toy cast to you with Harry
Potter hate I hate Harry Potter Everybody listening
come at me. I've never liked Harry Potter. I
love Alan Rickman. I've never watched him play
anything in Harry Potter Never and I never will
I don't have hate for the character. I hate him
Okay, okay. DJ Valentine at trying to be DJ V
on Twitter hates Harry Potter. I've asked many
times to do my Alan Rickman impersonation for
Snape and I said no. You know why? I hate Harry
Potter. So my personal thing with Harry Potter
is neither positive nor negative. Mine's negative.
Okay, yes. We got it. Mine is more of If you
put like you know how the and I hate these things,
but you know how Facebook like Chain letters
folks used to be letters that you could never
break the chain or else Oh my god, one of your
limbs was gonna fall off in an email chain Facebook
does these things too where it's like make me
choose between two things And if you put two
things in front of me and I make a choice, that's
my choice In the eighties, as a child, I chose
Transformers. Have I seen G .I. Joe? Yes. Will
I watch G .I. Joe? Yes, eventually, but my fandom
started with Transformers. In the year 2000,
I was living in Biloxi, Mississippi. I went into
the, at that time, well, yeah, they're still
around. Well, obviously, they're still around.
I went into a Books of Million and I talked to
the... At that time I was 20 years old. So I'm
sure this lady was maybe in her late 40s early
50s so slightly older lady at the cashier counter
and I told her what I like to read which at that
point in time was like Hardy Boy's novels and
John Grisham novels and Dean Coons and stuff
like that and whatever else and You know fear
Street from our L Stein from the 90s or whatever,
you know, I just graduated high school Give me
a break, you know And she's like, oh, OK, I'll
point you into two directions. She gave me two
books. She gave me. She basically didn't even
give me two books. She gave me two options. She
said a boy wizard or. A former lingerie buyer
turned bounty hunter at 20 years old in the year
2000, can you? Figure out which one I chose.
I don't even know what that is, but I'm interested.
I'll tell you in a second. So yeah, I chose the
former lingerie buyer turned bounty hunter. And
ever since I've made that choice, I have stood
by that choice. Never, regardless of whatever
the hell beliefs the author had, whatever, I
don't give a shit. No, I didn't like Harry Potter
from before the movies. I'm not a Harry Potter
fan. I don't know. I know J .K. Rollins offer
a nut, but I don't take that away. I still don't
like Harry Potter. Not a Harry Potter fan. So,
yeah, I've never read a drop of The Boy Wizard.
I don't ever care to now the character who is
the former lingerie buyer turned bounty hunter
is Janet Ivanovich is Stephanie Plumb novels.
Sadly, only ever got one movie, but those books
don't need movies. Catherine Heigl played Stephanie
in One for the money. I forget when that released.
But anyway, uh, yeah, it's, it's, you know, she
plays a New Jersey, Trenton, New Jersey bounty
hunter. Okay. And, uh, so it's, it's hilarious.
It's her and her family and all these other,
you know, she, she does, uh, bail bonds for her
cousin, uh, Vinny and it's a whole thing and
whatever. So yeah. So for me, like with choices,
it's like Agatha Harkness over Blade or Agatha
Harkness over Ironheart, even though I don't
know, but I know that's part of obviously Tony
and whatever. They're going to have, they're
going to have to give a harder for that show
Agatha Harkness. I mean, I love Katherine Hahn
and I love the character Agatha and she has many
connections with the X -Men and stuff like that,
but they're going to have to bring a whole bunch
of other stuff into that show for us. to get
it to get audience so we probably have to wait
and see who else who's the villain who else is
going to show up at this time is it going to
be any more x -men hints to it or whatever because
it's sight unseen if it's just agatha and witchcraft
and all that stuff i don't know if it's going
to catch on it might be another miss marvel situation
where as a very niche audience but you know Again,
I'm not rooting against it. I love Katherine
Hahn. She's fantastic and everything She does
so I will probably watch it mainly because of
her Yeah, okay, cool. Awesome. Very cool. Very
cool up next Let's see Well, you know, we're
we're in the devil universe So we're gonna be
born again with Charlie and Vincent and the only
thing that I actually really gave a crap about
of this whole thing. I was even more kind of
forever. I was like, okay, good. I mean, this
is before I saw the trailer, but I was just like,
yeah, yeah, just tell me it's Charlie back. Just
tell me if Charlie have been to the back. Tell
me Charlie have been to the back. I can turn
it off. I can go back to sleep. I'm happy. That's
all I wanted. Yep. It's kind of like, you know,
at the end and I know this is going to piss you
off because I am who I am and you are who you
are. It's like me. Checking like the last ten
seconds of the New England Miami game and making
sure my Patriots beat your dolphins and then
just just rolling over and going back to sleep.
They're going to win. Okay. The last ten seconds.
Nothing stupid is going to happen. Like happened
at the Giants Patriots Superbowl. Oh God. Don't.
Alright, so Daredevil born again, Charlie Cox.
I was tweeting out as this was happening and
I was sitting there and I was like, if Kevin
Feige brings out Vincent D 'Onofrio and Charlie
Cox right now, this freaking place would explode.
Thankfully, he did because he didn't have to.
But if that would have happened, holy, could
you imagine what would have happened? It would
have been up there. But yeah, I was super excited.
Vincent D 'Onofrio has already tweeted out. He
tweets out, uh, okay, Mr. Murdoch, which is,
if it's an obvious case, it's so fricking good.
I mean, I don't, I don't like what they did with
him and Hawkeye. They kind of, uh, nerfed him
a little bit, but I mean, I understand why they
did, but I, he's not going up against the devil.
He's going up against a guy who is hurting still
and a girl who just stepped into this role. It's
the king pin. He don't give a damn. He cut off
a man's head with a carpet. Okay. Yes, I'm not
disagreeing with you. I understand that I agree
with you. However, I'm saying I think they quote
unquote, hobbled him for the audience that like
maybe, maybe people watching Hawkeye aren't us.
Maybe people watching Hawkeye have only seen.
Hawkeye, they haven't seen what we've seen with
the three seasons that we got on. You know what
I mean? So I get it is all I'm saying. So yes,
Charlie and Vincent will return. The show will
be 18 episodes long. I love it when they give
us a episode. I was hoping it would be 12. I
think 12 was a sweet spot for this show, but
if it's 18, I think it's because they're going
to be trying to. put in some other characters
like a certain character named Jessica might
be popping up in there. So I think that's why
they're adding that much time. Because I think
12 is good. 12 is a sweet spot 12 is that arc
in that six you don't have any time to do anything.
That's why I'm pissed off about the secret wars
thing. But Secret Invasion, I keep saying Secret
Wars. Yeah, I know. But yeah, 12, I think 18
is a lot of time. It's a lot of episodes. That's
like arrow length. So it makes me think that
they are doing way more stuff. I just want them.
Guys, listen to me, Kev, Mr. Feige, KF, take
your time. Okay, you have Vincent D 'Onofrio,
one of the greatest actors of all time, who loves
playing Wilson Fisk. Just ask him. Tweet at him.
He will tweet back at you. He's from Hylia, Florida,
by the way. Ask him. He loves playing with some
fists. So just take your time. Give him something
that you want. What pissed me off most about
him and Hawkeye is you didn't give him a monologue.
The greatest thing about Wiganoffio playing the
kingpin is his monologues. YouTube some of them.
They're... Oh no, I know. They are terrifying.
I know. My favorite scene of him is him and Charlie,
Mr. Daredevil, Mr. Murdock, in prison. And Vincent
D 'Onofrio is chained to a table. And Daredevil
thinks he has Vincent D 'Onofrio or Vincent D
'Onofrio. Murdock thinks he has Kingpin on the
ropes because his wife Kingpin's Vanessa is in
another country. And Murdoch tries to extort
the Kingpin by threatening to mess up her extradition
or something. And I guess he didn't understand
that the one thing Kingpin will murder the world
for is Vanessa is Vanessa. So he the Kingpin
breaks out of his shackles easily, by the way,
and just keeps slamming Murdoch's head against
the table as he's lecturing him about I will
kill Everyone you love everyone of you. He starts
with say her name again. Say her name one more
time. He's slamming him. He's hurting him and
he's telling him what he's going to do to him.
And at the same time, he's declaring his love
for Vanessa. All in one scene. It's so good.
Yeah. They didn't give me any of that. Give me
that. Give me that stuff. That's what makes the
kingpin scary is that he doesn't care. Okay.
So what I, what I, so out of 18 episodes went,
okay. So when my friend Alison and I did this,
cause she's a huge Hawkeye fan, we covered on
this podcast, we covered all six episodes of
Hawkeye. And at the end we were like, okay, he's
not exactly moving. He, as in him, as in the
Kingpin, not Vincent, but the character of the
kingpin isn't moving the same way he moved in
daredevil something must like because again the
big thing with with uh with Hawkeye is that it's
centered around the the blip right sort of sort
of centered around the blip but you know so maybe
something happened to him physically i i i get
it i'm not talking about him being physical i
mean he is physical I want him to be scary. That's
the thing I want. Yeah. No, absolutely. Yeah.
He doesn't have to be beating you up. He can
be that he can do that by threatening everything
you love, which he's done many times. Yes. But
the difference is he's threatening other adults.
He's not. No, he's done that with Karen. Karen
is no, she's not much older than Katie Bishop.
And he sat in a room with Karen. and terrified
me and didn't leave a finger on her. It didn't
touch her. All right. All right. Hey, it's been
a while since I've seen. Oh, good. Go fuck that.
But a hole of visiting off real playing the kingpin.
Yeah, no, absolutely. Look, I I sort of remember
this, but literally the one out of that whole
show, the one thing that I will point to for
an origin story. Is season i think it's season
one episode eight shadow in the shadows in the
glass. Is i remember that title like it's it's
no tomorrow and yeah no i agree and i'm you know
i'm i'm all here for it like i said. It's not
necessarily what the episode number is. I'm just
glad that they told us an episode number. Again,
it just left us to assume to say, oh, it's going
to be six episodes. If they're 18 episodes of
pure gold, I'm all for it. I just worry. I just,
I, I want them to give me scary, well written
King Pan again. Marvel knows this phase that
King Kevin Feige, who thankfully put to a close,
has been, let's just say, not well written. It's
not at all. So when you have this guy who has
been scaring the crap out of me since Full Metal
Jacket, who loves playing the kingpin, who the
kingpin in every facet is a terrifying character.
He terrifies Spider -Man, the Punisher, Daredevil.
He's scary. Just give him something to chew on.
Don't nerf him. Just give him something to chew
on. That's all I want. So Spring 2024 for Born
Again for Daredevil. And then we come to the
NWO and no Hulk Hogan and his suburban commandoism
did not jump into the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
We have Captain America New World Order. Sam
Wilson as Captain America. It's his shield now.
That's all I will say. Yep. It's all that needs
to be said. It was passed up or however you want
to say it, it was passed up, passed down to him,
whatever. Steve ain't around no more folks in
the Marvel Cinematic Universe. He's around, but
he's off living his old life with his wife and
whatever, you know, he, he and Peg year, whatever,
but he's gone. But yes. Okay. Well, you know,
keeping this stuff straight sometimes. Yeah.
Yeah. Anyway, May 3rd, 2024. Please get a good
writer. I don't even know who's writing it. But
please I I don't even think it I don't know if
it has a writer. You got to check guys when you
have something I Me being greedy asked for a
good writer for Kingpin But when you have somebody
taking on the mantle of Captain America who happens
to be black You can't give me Falcon and Winter
Soldier writing You got to give me better writing
than that because that's not good writing. Give
me good writing please Write it well and people
will accept him. When you write it poorly, people
are gonna have ammunition to go at him. So please,
write it, Ben, write it good. Get a good writer,
just please. Or at least give me a writer that,
give me a good script. I need it more than the
you have to do better Senator speech, which was
really poorly written. It just made him look
bad. It's like, come on, man. This is Anthony
Mackie. He's a very, very, very talented man.
Give them some give them a good script, please.
I beg of you guys. This is 2022. This is the
year of The bad script apparently except for
two movies three movies. Maybe every other frickin
film Thor Doctor Strange These scripts have been
piss poor. Let's focus on the writing guys. Let's
focus on writing writing some scripts where you
go Wow, that was everything makes sense. It's
all good Holy crap. Let's do that. Especially
with something as important as Captain America.
I don't know what the heck he's going to fight.
I don't know who he's going to fight. Bucky will
probably be there, though they should be calling
him the White Wolf. That was easy. They could
have fixed, but it didn't because poor writing.
But yeah, that's going to get a good script.
Come on. Yeah. So far, other than Mackie joining
the cast and Julius Ohna. Yeah, uh, chosen to
direct the film in July of. I think he directed
some Falcon and the Winter Soldier episodes.
That's probably why I was chosen apparently.
Um, I don't know. Uh, but yeah, like literally
all of it, like I just Googled. New world Captain
America new world owner and the only thing that
pops up is is the fact that the director's so
Here's hoping they get some good writers and
then Thunderbolts ends phase five Another one
you got Baron Zemo. This is essentially. Okay.
This is this movie, which I didn't know was a
movie I had to look at some white row earlier
movie This movie is gonna hinge on or it was
essentially created because everyone likes even
though the movie was not that great Uh, everyone
likes, uh, Florence Pugh's, uh, white widow.
Everybody likes her. She's great. She's one of
the highlights of the Hawkeye show. Okay. Her
relationship with Kate Bishop was probably the
best thing of the show. Right. Yep. And everybody
likes Barron's email. Everybody likes Barron's
email. Okay. So that is what this movie, I keep
saying show, was created for is to highlight.
Let's give Florence Pugh a movie movie, but we
won't, we can't make it a black widow movie because
we just did that. Why would it make a Thunderbolts
movie and we'll just put Florence Pugh front
and center because I guarantee you that's what
this is This is we're gonna get Zemo. We're gonna
get Florence Pugh. We're probably gonna get Blonsky
or somebody It's another big heavy guy. They
need a strong guy. I think what she hope is leaning
on to is Blonsky You're gonna get US agents.
You're gonna get those that thing but make no
mistake. I'm pretty sure this is gonna be Florence
Pugh David Brewell centric well old Julia Louis
Dreyfus don't in there, but yeah, I think this
will be good if they lean into the Because this
is a Thunderbolts essentially people don't know
this kind of like Marvel's version of Suicide
Squad without the exploding heads, but they're
kind of bad guys Pretending to be good guys kind
of situation. So yeah, I think this could be
this could work Because it's gonna be centered
around her And Dave, who I think, I mean, the
one thing I did like about Falcon and Winter
Soldier was he hit in this stride with that character.
I think he really understands Seymour now. I
want to see more of him. He's great. Do that.
That will be fine. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And
then phase six. Daniel. I didn't call David.
Daniel. Sorry. Yes, not Dave. Dave, Dan. Like,
seriously. I'm like, are the rest of the Foo
Fighters coming? Watch Rush. He's fantastic in
Rush. Daniel Brew is great in everything. He's
great. There you go. He's even in the Kingsman
movie, which I don't know why. That's true. And
then all the way through 2025 phase six, we get
the teasers of... Fantastic for avengers the
king dynasty and invent and avengers secret wars.
So here's my thing no i don't know how cuz i
don't know whatever i'm i'm i'm just an idiot
obviously king dynasty and secret wars are films
because they're not gonna just do an avengers
television show never gonna happen no yeah okay
all right so. I'm sure and you're more than welcome
because you've already stated just like me if
I state something for myself that's what it is
for myself. I think you're going to be okay with
whatever the six episodes are for secret invasion
because it's going to lead to secret wars. Sure
I guess. They're kind of unrelated, but I mean,
yeah, but I mean, scroll invasion in battle world
are kind of unrelated, but sure, I, I, whatever.
I don't really care. I care about one thing and
one thing only coming out of those three things
you just named. One thing, one word, one thing
only that I care about that you just named out
of fantastic for Kang dynasty and secret wars
is only one thing DJ Valentine gives crap about.
Okay. One word, four letters. Doom. If you make
Dr. Doom work, DJ Valentine somewhere will be
smiling. If you make Dr. Doom not work again
for the third time, DJ Valentine will be pissed
off. Very, very pissed off because we're talking
about the greatest villain in comic book history,
okay? So do not mess up Doom. Dr. Doom somebody
was I was I mentioned it and they were like,
oh, you know that doom has a fantastic for villain
wake up Thanos is a piker compared to dr. Doom
that dr. Doom. His name is dr. Doom The name
is mr. Sinister it is dr. Doom He went to evil
medical school to get a doctorate of being a
doom. This is dr. Doom He has diplomatic immunity
for Christ's sake. Okay this guy is awesome so
if secret wars leads to dr doom and fantastic
four leads to dr doom and they cast a good dr
doom i'll be happy if they bungle dr doom one
more time I will be very, very, very, very, very
angry. I don't even care if they bungle Fantastic
Four. Just make Dr. Doom work, because Dr. Doom
works without the Fantastic Four. I want the
Fantastic Four to work, yay, good, hopefully.
I love the Fantastic Four when they're working,
but they, you know, for some reason don't know
how to make them work. But if they fail and Doom
is good, I'll take it. I just want Doom to work.
Please make Doom work, because he's not just
a Fantastic Four villain. He's a Marvel villain.
Iron has had problems with dr. Doom spider -man
has had problems with dr. Doom the X -Men has
problem with dr. Doom Galactus has had problem
with dr. Doom Thanos has had the problems with
dr. Doom everyone's had problems So yeah, yeah,
exactly. So yes, so Okay, who? Julian McMahon
has been the only doom right that we've had no
you had the guy from the dawn of the planet apes
Oh and Fantastic? Yeah, yeah. Who they didn't
want to name Dr. Doom, they had to do it in ADR
because they were ashamed of making the character
because they didn't freaking do any research.
They did a Deadpool to him where it was like,
we're going to call him Dr. Domstad or something
and then people got pissed off and it's messing
up Dr. Doom. If you ever want to go down a rabbit
hole, Okay, just look if he's a Mary Sue of villains
like the dude The dude does it all just look
at some of the bona fides of this guy. He runs
his own country He has pieces of the cross Jesus
was crucified on just in case he runs into vampires
He's second in line to be the sorcerer supreme
The man has bested Mephisto, the living embodiment
of Satan. Doctor Doom is one of the greatest
films of all time, and they've screwed him up
twice. How do you mess this up? Again, we've
been on this thing. How do you do it? I don't
know. I don't know. And look, I've only ever
seen the first two films. Throw them out. Throw
them in the garbage. It never happened. Look
look here. Okay never have with out for and rise
of the civil civil Wow silver surfer We wouldn't
have gotten the Captain America we so richly
deserve sure John Storm becomes right in America
casting Chris Evans is a great Captain America
no doubt Okay. It's wash because they destroyed
the greatest common villain of all time. All
right. And that's fine. And I understand that.
But okay. When, when did foreign rise come out?
Four was 2004? The dark day in history. Whenever
there was an apocalypse and the sun went behind
the moon. When those movies came out. I swear
to God. What a bad movie oh so bad, you know
what for for again and I Prefer to look at things
in the time that they were made and it was you
know 2004 2000 If they can have a guy named doctor
strange you can have a guy named dr. Doom stop
being ashamed of the 2005 and 2007, okay So the
only thing that I give that film now is either
either film is that I think Darren Norris was
a good or whatever his name is. I think Silver
Surfer, because if you're coming from where I'm
coming from, coming from, I only know this from
the 1994 Fox Marvel cartoon series, the Silver
Surfer in that was. Okay, it wasn't good. But
for me, the greatest thing about those first
two films is Johnny and Ben. Because at that
time in 2005, we were in the middle of watching
the greatest FX show ever. The Shield. The Shield.
And then all of a sudden, Vic Mackie becomes
the thing. He's a great crowd. He basically has
the Basically has the voice from it's not the
voice from the cartoon Joe, but you know, oh,
yeah Hey, don't get me wrong. No, no, no, I don't
check. This is fantastic. It's been grim. I have
no problem with Storm that was fine. Yeah, I
don't even have problems with Julie B man is
doing even though he's supposed to be European,
but whatever Yeah, I have problems with everything
else And I agree, I mean, you know, I have a
problem with galactis being a cloud I have a
problem with silver surfer being nerfed. I have
a problem with dr. Doom being nerfed. I have
a problem with Alba as Sue Richards. I am Sue
Storm, whatever we would call. Yeah, I have a
problem with the script in general. I have no
problem with Michael Chiklis is being grim. That's
fine. I have no problem with Chris Evans as Johnny
Storm, even though he'd make a better Captain
America. Have a problem writing is this horrible.
Yeah, and then we get me started on the Josh
Trank fantastic for that's a Dumpster fire on
wheels I've never even seen it. So I don't even
care. I don't think he's seen Yeah, well, you
know, I guess what it is. He made it but you
know, you made half of it Remember that was the
one we get fired from He saw you made half of
it so I have a feeling he never watched it either
All right. This has been one hell of a long episode,
folks, just for us to go over San Diego Comic
Con 2022. Man. So much stuff. Don't ruin doom.
Look at me, Iggy. Look at me. Look at me. Don't
ruin it. He can't see. This is audio. You can
see me. You have powers. You have magic powers.
I have a feeling he won't though. I have a feeling
Kevin Feige loves Fantastic Four. I think he
loves that universe. I think he's just never
had an opportunity to fix it. We haven't even
gone over the X -Men stuff, which they're doing
the animated series. Yeah, X -Men 97. Yeah, because
that's kind of where he kind of got his start.
Yeah, I think I'm just a little worried, but
it's because I love the character. I think he
loves it just as much as me. So this is the third
time as a charm, okay? Maybe the third time as
a charm, right? We're gonna get it right the
third time. Yeah. X -Men 97, what I will say
from what I've seen of the images that were posted
online, I... I guess they're trying to make it
look like the 97 series. They're going to probably
use the same music and it's taking place right
after they made you. They may use the same music,
but there's no way that those photos I saw online
are the same. And I know they're not the same
animation style. No, no, it looks like flash.
So that and the Marvel zombies and Peter Parker
sophomore year on. Yes. Freshman year. Sorry.
Yes. Yeah. Freshman. Yeah. Well, apparently we're
getting both freshmen and sophomore year or something.
Norman. I don't know. Yeah. Oh boy. Really? Yeah.
I didn't know. I did not know that. Oh yeah.
I'm learning things as we go here inside studio.
That won't ruffle any feathers. We'll see what
happens there. I can, I can see the pitchforks
coming from a mile away. When are we supposed
to get into the spider verse? Is that next year
or is that this year? Next year. Talk about the
animated. Yeah. Next year. Next year. That's
why I didn't talk about it because they're probably
still working. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, you
know, X -Men 97. Here's, here's my biggest problem.
Just initially just with the over, some of the
voice actors are passed away. Oh yeah. Right.
Like, look, I get it. They want it to be as,
as faithful as it can be, but I mean, there is
no, like, Norm Spencer, there's nobody else that
can put so many J's and so many E's and so many
A's and so many N's on a girl named Jean, because
the man was a, I'm just gonna say it, he's a
Marvel. And then, like I said, some of the photos
that I saw from various, cause some of this news,
how I found out about some, especially the DC
crap, like I didn't even know, like if it wasn't
for the fact that Epic voice guy, John Bailey
was at SDCC and he put on his stories that Shazam
two was going to be a thing or that they were
announcing it. I wouldn't have even known. Oh
yeah, I knew about that. I saw their first trailer
and I was just like, okay. Whatever. That's the
interesting thing and that's kind of where I
guess we'll go ahead and end this one because
like I said, folks, long process to get to where
we are now. I am so far out of DC films. I'm
so like even DC TV like I need to catch up on
so much stuff. I need to rewatch so much stuff.
I just for the first time. Well, this is more
like I'm more into the Marvel shows and things,
but I'm not even really into the Marvel. Like
that's the funny thing. I was into the DC animation,
but not necessarily the live action stuff. And
I was into outside of what if I was in the Marvel
live action stuff, not so the animated stuff.
And, like, for me now with streaming and whatever
and having everything at the, you know, the point
of a mouse, I hate watching cartoons on television.
And when I say I hate watching cartoons on television,
I mean, in 2009 or 10 or whatever the hell Speck
Spidey originally aired, Cartoon Network can...
suck my web shooter because I hated how I could
never catch it. Well, now that it's on Netflix,
I've seen all 26 episodes. Pissed me off because
DC won me back. They keep dropping the ball.
I don't understand. The Suicide Squad, the Peacemaker
to the Batman, that's three good ones in a row.
And you're just not You're underwhelming me.
I don't really care about Black Adam. Good for
the Rock. It's not like I'm down on those movies.
It's just like, okay, great. Knock my socks off,
guys. That's what you're supposed to be doing
right now. Try and knock my socks off. You were
on a roll. You won me back. You know how hard
it was to win me back? And you got Matt Reeves
and you made me maybe the best Batman movie of
all time. You made me like... Peacemaker, one
of the most fringiest DC characters of all time.
You made me love the Suicide Squad after making
the worst Suicide Squad rendition, maybe ever.
And then you come at the Comic -Con, you just,
you just, like a big fat, it's like, what are
you, guys, come on, man, come on. Realize the
Batman 2, just do that, it takes nothing, a tweet,
just do anything, anything. Yes, anything. All
right. That's gonna do it for us. I think we're
gonna be able to find your stuff sir at trying
to be DJ V's me on Twitter Harry Potter fans
come at me, bro Trust me. I fought this battle
many many years. I Got Harry Potter fans in the
family. I thought this battle all day. I'll fight
all day and simplistic reviews in search of a
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Very cool. Very cool. They'll be there in September
October November December January and August
August August kind of went missing. Yeah, we
don't know what's happening. Yeah, that's That's
a blind spot. We don't know what's going on.
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somebody I'm gonna say what he typed in his name
to be 70s Richard I don't know if you know 70s
Richard. Okay, he commented on The direction
of MCU Thor. Oh god, please come at me. What
what? What do you want? No, this is good. This
is good. This is good. Son of a bitch! I have
been waiting to use the theme music from The
Long Good Friday for a decade and hear you just
toss it in his background music! Damn you, Aldale!
Okay, that's a connoisseur, okay? The Long Good
Friday, folks. This is a great film. Great film.
Great film. It's all safe. Bob Hoskins, speaking
of marbles. Oh my God. Holy crap. I haven't heard
that in over three hours. It's a Roslyn movie,
Long Good Friday. Great film. Great song. That's
why I use it because it's one of my favorite.
I said, if I ever get on a show, I'm using the
Long Good Friday music. So I beat you 70s Richard.
I beat you. Oh my god. Oh my god. Next time around,
I believe Steve Megatron and I are gonna do some
sort of something with some sort of twin sons
and sand, I think. I don't know, but I think
that's what we're... That's me slowly defrauding
my hard drive because you're talking about some...
Yes, yes. Henswap only mentioned the twin suns
and the sand. Oh, it gets everywhere. Yeah, yeah.
But it's not in your hard drive, so it's okay.
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