STUDIO 2009
The Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy Revisited

About this Episode
You ready? Yep. Okay, here we go. Hey, it's your
friendly neighborhood Spider -Man here, and I'm
swinging by the Geekcast Radio Network. May 3rd
2002 it was a Wednesday 20 years ago today Spider
-man hit the big screen I TF2 and Mike was 22
years old and Steve Megatron who is here with
me was only 16 years old at the time. Yep We
both saw this film in theaters on day one, correct?
Correct. Yep So now we're going to reminisce
on those times and how we feel about the Raimi
trilogy after 20 years. You are inside Studio
2009 only on the Geekcast Radio Network. Man,
I had a hard time coming up with that and originally
that was going to be a voiceover with me kind
of talking like this. And that really hurts my
voice. I mean, I've been podcasting for 14 years.
You're the voice dude. You're the, you know,
I am not worthy. I am not worthy, you know, kind
of thing. But I was trying to, I was going to
originally do something with that, where it would
be like an announcer voice at the beginning of
the show. But that sounds really, oh God, it
sounds horrible in my own head. Anyway. It sounds
entertaining though. yeah I recorded one thing
I did but and maybe I'll throw that as an outtake
but I I just couldn't I couldn't keep up with
it who am I you sure you want to know if somebody
told you I was just your average ordinary guy
not a care in the world somebody lied Truth is,
it wasn't always like this. There was a time
when life was a lot less complicated. Can I take
your picture for the school paper? Sure. In this
lab, we have 15 genetically enhanced super spiders.
There's 14. One's missing. So, Spider -Man, Sam
Raimi, Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, James Franco,
J .K. Simmons, Rosemary Harris, Cliff Robertson
and doing all of this from memory not looking
at anything because spider man. If batman 89
was the thing to get batman back into the zeitgeist
of of popular culture. Even though we had spider
man the animated series from marvel and john
semper jr. Even though we had Spider -Man Unlimited,
we had the MTV Spider -Man animated. Oh God.
And obviously there was animated series before
then, but - I didn't care for the, the, the,
uh, MTV stuff. Me either. So, but it's one of
those things where, you know, what's the next
step? Well, the next step happened in 1998 when
they did Blade. And then obviously in 2000, they
did X -Men and in 2001. We got the teaser trailer
for Spider -Man. Yep. Now, I want to warn everybody,
just in case, if you have a hard time hearing
September 11th things, you can probably fast
forward the podcast five, 10 minutes. It is a
part of the original film's history. Because
the original poster the original teaser poster
has spider -man you only see his hand but you
see his face clinging to a wall and you see in
his eye the world trades you see the Twin Towers
and I had completely forgotten that they had
done that poster because obviously the attacks
happened and then Thankfully, and obviously rationally,
they changed everything and they removed all
that stuff and they changed the poster and all
that. I look back on that original teaser poster
now and I see it as a tribute because it's just
one of those things where I, you know, I don't
know about you and you can tell your story in
a second. For me, I wasn't sure when that happened.
I was not sure if it was real, because at the
time I was on the phone at 6 a .m. with some
girl that I thought I was in love with at the
time. I was I was 22 years old. I was out in
the world. I was whatever. We had been on the
phone all night, so by the time the 6 a .m.,
7 a .m. news, Good Morning America, whatever,
I saw the towers. I saw the black, the blackest
smoke I had ever seen. And until I saw the ticker
go by on the TV, I thought it was just them show.
Oh, this is a new a new movie or a new this or
a new that. Oh, no. Oh, no. America got attacked.
And I was like, you know, to the girl, I was
like, you need to if you know anyone in New York,
you have any family members in New York that
work in the World Trade Center, you need to we
need to hang up right now. We need to call them.
We need to, you know, you know, same thing with
me. If we did, which I wish we didn't, but it's
just one of those things where I didn't realize
until probably 830 AM that it was 830, 835, 840.
I don't remember the actual, but it took me about
40 minutes to realize that this was something
real, something happening in our country. And
damn, it's been 21 years since that happened.
Yup. So this movie, this movie man, how many
times since that original theatrical adventure
you had, have you seen the first film? Probably
about a dozen times. More so just because like
I saw it once in the theater and then I bought
the DVD. Mm -hmm, and then I watched it multiple
times that way and I think I've probably watched
it more like recently within the last Actually
when no way home came out I watched all the spider
-man films. Mm -hmm. I have not seen this movie
until So obviously I saw it in theaters and my
theater adventure with this movie was and I know
you're not supposed to do this, but At the time,
I was still in Mississippi and my girlfriend
at the time and I got into a fight. It just turned
out to be the day that Spider -Man was coming
out in theaters. I bought one ticket, saw the
first showing, and then I theater hopped four
more showings. So I saw it five times on the
day that it released in theaters because it was
so damn good. Anyway, oh boy, as far as recently,
I... Like you said, when the special when the
DVDs or the special edition DVDs or whatever,
but really the only time I remember watching
this is when we originally did it for movie we
can review episode 12. With Mike the bird man,
so and that was 2009, so I have not seen this
film or the other two from Remy in a long time,
so I wanted this to basically be. Hey, I'm. going
in cold. I didn't even listen to the podcast.
I'm like, I'm not going to listen to the however
long ago podcast it was. I may listen to it after
we do this recording, whatever. But I'm like,
yeah, I want to be as fresh as I can be. And
it was just as enjoyable as it was that first
day 20 years ago. I think I have a better understanding
for it and appreciation for it now than I did
back then. Just because, I mean, we've had three
Spider -Men now. Honestly, I'm really excited
to see Tobey Maguire reprise. I find it just,
I don't know, it was just that much more fulfilling
to see it now. seen the payoff in No Way Home.
Yeah. And honestly, like for me, I know some
individuals liked Andrew Garfield and he's grown
on me more over the years. I think the film surrounding
him, like the villains, I didn't particularly
care for how they went about everything other
than Michael Keaton. Yeah. But We'll get into
those movies later, but For me Because this was
the spider -man that I grew up with this is my
spider -man like this Toby McGuire like yes I
grew up on the animated series so that's that's
even different yet, but yeah For the films. This
is my spider -man like this is the one I relate
to yeah, because this was the spider -man Yes,
there was no to my knowledge and I could be wrong
and I most likely am wrong So if I'm wrong in
saying this there was no spider -man 66 or 77
or 78 or there was a 1970 spider -man in like
Japan or China or something yeah, and there were
you know spider -man has been an animation since
the 60s and 70s too, but full -on big screen
classic Steve did go stanley spider man in the
lens of sam raney as the director this was and
is our spider man now. Over the years i am because
i haven't gone back and rewatch these. The only
thing i remember are the bad peter parker moments
that we will talk about later in another film
in this episode and. Those are the ones that
kind of turned me off to Toby. And what I say
is Toby's a great Spider -Man, but an okay Peter
Parker, whereas Garfield, which we will talk
about in June, is a great Peter Parker, but an
okay Spider -Man. So the coin kind of flipped
for me between the two actors. Again, I haven't
seen the two. web films, the amazing films, since
we originally did the the MWIRE coverage back
in 2012 and 2014 or whatever the hell that was.
Yeah, I rewatched every film until I finished
the entire series of spider films leading up
to No Way Home. Yep. And I honestly was I had
a better appreciation for all of them going back
in. Even the ones that had bad moments, I think
I'm far less forgiving on the newer stuff than
the older stuff. Even Andrew Garfield's stuff,
I was far more forgiving than I am on the modern
Spider -Man. I don't think i saw far from home
if i did it was i don't remember it i remember
seeing homecoming but homecoming and again we
will get to that in its own episode but for me
in order to do these this triple shot of episodes
over the next couple you know next two three
months i waited until no way home hit digital
because voodoo had a bundle and save eight film
collection. Because I I don't have my old spider
-man DVDs. Oh, yeah, I don't have You know any
of that stuff? I didn't have any of the live
-action spider -man films on iTunes or whatever
else and they're not really streaming anywhere
I mean they are but they aren't but you know
what I mean, like they aren't on specifically
McGuire's films are really hard to come by Well,
there's this eight film collection on voodoo.
So there's that There you go, Voodoo. There's
some promotion for you. I prefer to own my films
than to cower before my streaming overlords.
True. And I mean, technically, I guess I do own
them since I spent the money and bought the collection.
Until Voodoo goes away. Let's hope it doesn't.
It will. Stop it. Stop it. All your money disappears.
Don't you? I fucking dare. I will kill you. I
will jump through this microphone right now and
just kill you dead. My predictions usually come
true. Stop it. Leave it alone. Just like they're
going to wipe out Tom Holland now and replace
him with Tobey Maguire. Lord, no they're not.
And Andrew Garfield. Stop it. They should. What
level of a fan were you before going into this
original movie? Huge. I had quite a few Spider
-Man figures of just Spider -Man himself and
always loved the character in the animated series.
I always had a softer spot for the animated series
of it more than I did X -Men, but X -Men was
a close second. I always liked Spider -Man because
you got Uh, crossovers, you got Iron Man, you
got Captain America, you got Stephen Strange.
So I mean, you, you got kind of the best of both
worlds with Spider -Man series. Yeah. And then
especially on the, uh, the grand finale of this
animated series, you got various Spider -Men.
John Semper Jr. created the Spider -Verse and
back in 1996 or something or whatever that was.
But I mean, regardless, like that was, that was
one of my It was always kind of a tie between
Batman and Spider -Man for me as a kid. I loved
both. I collected comics of both. I watched the
animated series of both. I liked the films of
both. Obviously, Spider -Man didn't have films
until 2002, but when I heard that there was one
coming and I saw it. Yeah, some of the CGI is
terrible when he's jumping across rooftops. Honestly,
I still love the stinking films. Yeah, the first
film, I don't like to, and I've said this on
this podcast and on other podcasts I do, I view
things in the time that they were made. I don't
like to say, does this movie hold up today? Does
this is this movie as good? No, but like I I
don't like doing that. I like viewing it in Oh,
no, I I'm the same way like my wife and I watch
like old black and white films and and at the
same time I really like old animation and CGI
like Beast Wars or you know some of the old Batman
animated series stuff and you know things in
that era and If you listen to kids now because
I'm on a lot of the discord channels and That's
that's how they communicate and they used word
they use words that we have no idea what they
mean I Being as much I I heard quite a few of
those today and They're they've created alternate
words that means something that we would say
that was more applicable by the dictionary term.
Meaning like epic or awesome or cool or something
like that, which apparently stopped with our
generation and went. Now they use words like
based and something else. I start with a K. I
don't know. It was really strange. I talk about
how great Beast Wars was, and they're like, oh,
the CGI sucks by today's standards. And I'm like,
no, it's not that bad compared to today's standard,
honestly. If you consider the robots themselves,
the other elements are very bad when it comes
to explosions or certain effects. But the story,
the storyline, the characterizations, and the
voice acting, Trump Anything that's come out
in the last 20 years. I win. I'm saying that
everything has its time. Everything is different.
Everything is subjective to your opinion based
on what you grew up with and based on what might
be the best version. you know, what you were
raised with, because you're going to have a predisposition
for that. Like some kids that are growing up
now are going to say, oh, Tom Holland's my Spider
-Man in which they wouldn't be wrong. It is their
Spider -Man, you know, just like the people that
group with Andrew Garfield and, you know, Toby
McGuire is my Spider -Man. And so it's all subjective
to, you know, what you're predisposed to. And
there are elements of each one that we will each
admit is terrible. And then there are elements
of each one that trump the other one. And so
there's that. But I mean, again, it's just kind
of figuring out that whole dynamic of how it
all works in a modern sense, but still looking
at it from the time it was created. Yeah, absolutely.
And before we get into breaking down the film
of our favorite moments, least favorite moments,
characters and all that. I wanted to do this
here with the first film and I will not repeat
this in the Spider -Man. Well, I won't repeat
it later in the podcast because this is one whole
thing for these three films. What I noticed is
that the music and the promotional taglines de
-evolved over these movies. So the first film,
I'm not going to go through all of these. But
there are eleven taglines for this movie. The
one I always remember is in 2001, when they did
that trailer next summer, go for the ultimate
spin. And then there's turn, you know, next summer,
you know, turn your world upside down. On May
3rd, the entire world will connect to the web.
And then they did a. Another spin -off at next
summer one hero will take you for the ultimate
spin But as we go through the three films the
taglines, I don't know it gets worse like Spider
-man 2's taglines sacrifice destiny choice three
words one single line for each word three words
it isn't like This is my sacrifice. This is my
destiny and I've made my choice. It's just Word,
enter, word, enter, word, enter. And then it
has this summer, a man will face his destiny,
a hero will be revealed and take another spin
in IMAX. Because apparently Spider -Man, I remember
Spider -Man 2 being in IMAX. And then Spider
-Man 3 is next summer. The greatest battle lies
within how long can any man fight the darkness
before he finds it in himself? I don't know.
And then the music, I want to get this out of
the way. 2002, Nickelback had just released their
album Silver Side Up, which sadly, obviously
nobody knew this at the time, but sadly, Silver
Side Up's anniversary actually is September 11th,
2001. They released that album. And in 2002,
Chad Kroger. From Nickelback along with Josie
Scott from saliva teamed up and gave us hero.
That was a great song. Oh, it's a, I love that
song, but I listened to it. Yeah. Yeah. These,
these films, I actually bought the soundtracks,
like the musical soundtracks. I had Spider -Man
one and two. I don't have the CDs anymore, but
I ripped them a long time ago to my computer.
Yep. And so I still have them somewhere, but.
Yeah, absolutely. And it just, Danny Elfman was
the composer on the first two and then he wasn't
the composer on the third one. And that's fine.
It is what it is. Well, the third movie. for
all intents and purposes was kind of a slog and
they knew it was going to fail. In essence, like
after it had already kind of, they were, they
were having trouble with not only like funding,
but Toby had gotten a chip on his shoulder. And,
and he realizes it nowadays, like that, cause
that kind of, after this film, he kind of, he
was in things, but he kind of fizzled out. Yep,
and disappeared for a while and nobody would
have anything to do with him And then he finally
got his life right and then he's been showing
up and things again Yeah, I mean the only other
thing that I remember him in around this it was
actually before this but around this time the
only other thing I really remember him from was
I think cats and dogs and Pleasantville Pleasantville
and he was in Brothers Which Jake Gyllenhaal
was the brother. Which is funny because he's
Mysterio. That's very true. There was another
movie, I think he was in, I don't know if it
was like Seabiscuit or something else. Yeah,
it was Seabiscuit. I think so, but it fizzled
out too. He kind of just disappeared. I mean,
yeah, from 2011 to 2013, 2011 he has the details,
2013 he did The Great Gatsby. Yeah, The Gatsby.
Yeah, that was another one he kept shooting himself
in the foot, I think. Yeah, I mean, you know,
I don't know. But this film overall, I absolutely
dig it. I still like it to this day. Oh, yeah.
Even though I haven't watched it often. I kinda
sorta, I kinda sorta planned that because again,
as I said earlier, and I know I'm repeating myself,
I wanted just to be able to go into this movie
sitting here at my desk with my 32 inch monitor
and to relive what I experienced 20 years ago
when I was in the theater. Okay, yeah, I don't
have a theater chair as as my desk chair, whatever,
and my 32 inch flat panel monitor isn't a giant
80 foot screen or whatever. But still my monitor
is damn good. And I just enjoyed the hell out
of this film. The first film. Oh, yeah, yeah,
it just So here's here's how I do things folks
and I'm sure people know this and I think Steve
generally knows this I will watch things a minimum
of two times a maximum of four times The first
time I'm just watching it to watch it to experience
it the second time I'm watching it to grab audio
for audio clips for the podcast If something
happens where we have to reschedule You know
a recording date I will obvious because I need
things fresh in my mind. Like literally I spent
the past weekend. Well, last couple of weekends
ago, as we're recording this, even though we're
releasing this on May 3rd, but you know, we're
recording this at the end of April. I watched
all three films back to back to back over the
past weekend before we, before we recorded this
episode, because I wanted them to be as fresh
in my mind as possible. And for the original
Spider -Man. Highlights for me, you know, good
moments. Almost all of the web swinging, almost
all of his moves as Spider -Man. There were a
couple that it didn't look right, but those money
shots that you get of him web swinging. I like
that. There are so many great character moments
between him and Norman and And all of that, I
love, there is no, there's no other man in live
action that could play J. Jonah Jameson like
J .K. Simmons does. It's, you rip J .K., you
rip J. Jonah Jameson right off the comic page
when they cast J .K. Simmons because damn, I
love that guy as J .K. Simmons. And that's why
they brought him back for the modern Spider -Man
trilogy. Yep, and yeah, he's not running like
he's running the Daily Bugle, but it's like a
It's a media conglomerate. It's a media conglomerate,
but it reminds me of Alex Jones Yeah, yeah, like
very like conspiracy theory and in your face
and and then he's trying to sell some product
Yep. Yep, and I was like, yep. That's that's
J Jonah Jameson. Yep, you know Even even without
the hair he looks he looks it and he sounds it
like the dude the dude is a genius The lines
in this first film. Oh My god just it's JJJ to
a tee. It was so good Cliff Robertson as uncle
Ben with the you know, great. He works very too.
He was amazing absolutely love him Notice Aunt
May gets younger every trilogy. Yes, or every
series more or less I think that's because they
want to... They show Peter younger, too, though.
Yeah, that's the thing. Technically, Peter is
supposed to be not just a senior in high school
ready to graduate to go to college and move on,
but he's supposed to be like a freshman, sophomore,
junior in high school. It is what it is, and
that's fine. It's whatever. The only low light
I have for the first film is the goblin suit,
the face mask. It's the only thing that distracts
me because I can see his face in it. Well, it's
not even that for me. The only thing that takes
me out of Green Goblin is the fact that it's
not a rubbery mask. Like it's it's a Power Ranger
helmet. Yeah, essentially but I Don't hate it
either because I've seen worse come out on certain
villains because they CGI it Yeah, and back then
they just didn't have that technology to really
do it efficiently that they do now and I think
they could pull it off great now, but Same token.
I love it for what it is So like I've just grown
an appreciation for it regardless. The only lowlights
I would give it is like when he's hopping the
buildings And you can tell that it's CGI like
it's It's blatantly obvious and it's it's laughable.
Yep, but I don't again. I don't hate it It's
just very obvious Yeah What are some of your
favorite character moments from the first film?
Well where He's fighting Bonesaw, which I was
familiar with Wrestling at the time so macho
man Randy Savage was my favorite wrestler and
then you had Bruce Campbell in there, you know
as the announcer and he's he's cool too and I
Liked the that first fight, you know, they call
him spider. He's like I'm spider guy or something
and he says that sucks The Incredible Spider
-Man. That's not my name. Yeah. Seeing him put
on the costume for the first time, all of the
moments where he's interacting with Mary Jane,
the whole thing where the blood droplet happens.
Yes. When Norman is suspicious of it. Yeah. I
don't know. There's so many great moments in
the film. Then the unfortunate part is - Harry
doesn't know the whole situation. And so he's
got this seething venom for Spider -Man. Yes.
Yes, he does. Venom. Yes. And my favorite character
moments, like you said, I agree, Bonesaw. Everyone
knows what film you're talking about. If you
just say... And it's ironic that we're doing
this episode now because recently some, I don't
know what it is. There's a story online. I'll
have to find it, but someone changed the Bonesaw
scene. With what? Well, let me see if I can pull
this up here. So they, what they did was because
there's a line in there that Spider -Man says
that Is not, uh, apparently a good line for today.
And I don't think I have it. It's so basically
what they did is in the, in the scene where he's
up top and he says, that's a cute outfit. They
cut it there. So the, the, the line in the movie
is actually, that's a cute outfit. Did your husband
give it to you? Oh, boo. It's like, leave it
alone for the time that it's made. I don't know.
And I only bring it up because, again, I saw
the article recently right before we were recording
this. Yeah. I mean, I'm not... I'll admit it.
I chuckled. Because there was a lot of things
in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s that everyone
said to each other that... It was to mock someone,
but it was like, okay, I'm going to use this
and I'm going to put in my own perspective and
my own experience. So for those listening to
Studio 2009, if we have any listeners, I hope
we do. For those of you who are listening, I
don't know how much of this I've said on this
show, but I found out in 2019 and I don't know
how I didn't know this. before my 39th birthday,
but on May 6th of 2019, I found out I was born
without a piece of my brain. It just did not
form when my, when I, when I was, you know, in
the womb. The corpus column. This is the piece
of your brain that divides the left and right
hemispheres. Okay. So I have brain damage. I
have cerebral palsy. In the 80s and 90s, there
was a line that people would ask, what's your
major malfunction? Yes, it was insulting. Yes.
You know, I got angry about it, whatever. What,
you know, or what's your handicap or this, that,
you know, you know what I mean? Those lines that,
okay, specifically, let's say You don't like
something and it's from 1989 and you say oh that's
gay. People were saying oh that's gay in the
80s and 90s all the time as a descriptor for
something they didn't like. Or again because
I was born brain damaged and I have disabilities
people used to call me a retard. Now when they
were directly calling me a retard, yes, that
is an insult, but if I say to whatever that I
think that this scene in this cartoon was a little
retarded, that's a descriptor of what I think.
And I don't know how you define that descriptor,
but There are words that we used to use that
we can't use anymore. We shouldn't. Oh yeah,
I know. I used to say it too. And I'm not trying
to get political here folks at all. I'm just
saying that that line is of its time. And we
used to be able to laugh at things like that.
Because it's a character, a fictional character.
Imagine Ben Affleck, folks, from J & Sal Bob
Strike Back. Fictional character. Talking to
another fictional character. It isn't like Toby
Maguire is saying to Randy Savage, I don't know.
I've spent too much time on this, but it's not
that big of a deal. And if people want to remove
it, fine, that's their choice and I'm not, whatever.
I prefer that they just leave things alone and
not edit them. It's a product of its time. I
find it more distasteful to edit it after the
fact. It's like it was in the original film,
just leave it be. I mean, obviously they edited
out the whole scene with the towers and everything
else because of the tragedy and that's fine.
And that was the filmmakers choice. But what
you're saying is other people that don't want
to hear. Yeah. I mean, if you're, if you're that
offended over something over, especially fictional
media, I think you have bigger problems than
just the words that are being said. Like it's
not, there's no reason to. Yeah, it might be
it might be offensive like you said it might
make you mad Yeah, I don't think it's worth throwing
like a giant More or less grown -up tantrum over
it I I was made fun of as a kid for being a geek
and a nerd and I don't sit there and protest
that oh everybody's Mean to me because you know,
I don't like want films altered to to you know
Take the jock character out that's treating the
nerd like crap Right. Yeah, I mean it's it's
a product of its time. Yes, I can laugh about
it now As a kid did it suck? Yeah, absolutely
But again product of its time. Yeah for me with
the character moments, I really liked The scene
where Goblin catches spider -man doses him spider
-man, you know spider -man time to wake up You
know when he does this whole thing where you
know, he talks alone nap Well, yeah, but it's
it's after that. Yeah, it's it's when he wakes
up and Goblin's talking to him and he's saying,
you know, here's the real truth there are eight
million people in this city and those teeming
masses exist for the sole purpose of Lifting
the few exceptional people onto their shoulders
you me We're exceptional. He says something about,
you know, you and me, we're a different kind
of character and we're this. And I like the way
that Willem Dafoe said the whole you me thing.
It was, it was a really cool little, little vocal
thing that I really enjoyed. I like Spider -Man
with Mary Jane, but I find Toby's Parker to be
way too, way too shy when it comes to Mary Jane.
And I do agree with that. Like he was super shy
in the movie by comparison to like if you watch
the animated series. Yeah, I absolutely love
the cafeteria scene. Oh, where he webs and the
tray and he walks away and then then you get
to the lockers and it's him and flash. Flash
is trying to hit him and he's dodging and dodging
and you know all that. Any time Spider -Man and
JJJ are on scene. My favorite one is when the
Goblin surprises them and Spider -Man comes swinging
in and JJJ is like JJJ is like Spider -Man, Green
Goblin, I knew you were in league together. Spider
-Man just webs his mouth, you know, quiet down
in there. Nothing grownups play. Yeah. He said,
mom and dad have to talk or whatever it was.
And I just, I love that scene. I think that's
great. What I noticed in this rewatch is the
actual sound of the web shooter. Yeah. That is
my favorite special effect from this film is
just that sound of The web being being shot out
of his wrist. I Don't mind that they did organic
web shooters. I know that in the cartoon I know
some people hated that and honestly I thought
that that was a funny gag that they brought into
the the new movies Yeah And I mean, I thought
it was, you know, the original film, I thought
it was the, you know, and Remy and other people,
the stunt people have said it was the easiest
way to be able to do it was to just make them
organic. And the lady that does the presentation,
she even says, you know, oh, this spider spins
webs out of its whatever this spider. So, I mean,
it was kind of obvious that it was going to be,
you know, do you have a favorite special effect
from this? I mean, I obviously love a lot of
the movie, but I just like all the acrobatic
stuff and where he's wearing the costume. Like
anytime he kind of shows up wearing it and I
just, I don't know. I had such a like huge love
for the film that it just, no matter what happened,
I was enjoying it. Yeah. How did you feel about
the pacing of it? I thought it went pretty well.
I didn't really have a big issue with it either
way. Me either. I didn't feel like it was too
long. Nope. And that's the other thing I wanted
to bring up and I will bring it up here because
it surprises me. This film, Spider -Man from
2002, has a running time of 121 minutes. So with
spider -man 2 it is a hundred and twenty seven
minutes and with spider -man 3 it's a hundred
and thirty nine minutes How is spider -man 3
the longest film out of this trilogy because
each one got worse Okay, well that's just yeah,
I that's your opinion then that's okay Yeah on
the on this rewatch I watched this film from
beginning to end in one shot Like you said, we
loved every moment of it. I loved every moment
of it. There were certain things that I was like,
Oh, okay. I remember that. Okay. I remember that.
But I never felt like I needed to pause to go
to the bathroom or pause to do something out.
Like I never needed to walk away from it because
it was so good. It kept your attention. and all
of that. If you had to pick your favorite main
or recurring, well, we don't really have recurring,
but if you had to pick your favorite characters,
who would they be? Out of this movie? Yep. Peter
Parker, hand down. Spider -Man, hands down. And
then I liked Mary Jane and William Defoe. Down
came the goblin and took the spider out. Absolutely.
Those were my main three. Yeah, I think Harry
did really well for the role that he was playing.
Now, out of the Harry Osborn that has been used
to date, I liked him the best. Right. Let me
rephrase that. I liked all of the casting choices
they made for this first film over any of the
other ones. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I I like
Spider -Man. Peter Parker's OK. I don't know.
I just I don't know. But I love Mary Jane. She's
great. The only time I don't like her is when
she Starts singing later. I mean, yeah, that's
not the energy. Yeah, it is. And we'll get to
that. But, uh, but yeah, I mean, Spider -Man
Green Goblin, I mean, JJJ is number one for me.
So, and even Robbie, Robbie Robertson, uh, they
had him in there and I love the way he interacts
with, with Spider -Man and with, and with Jonah
because. I don't know, I was getting lines from
the 94 cartoon and I just ended up re - like,
I started just before the Six Forgotten Warriors
arc starts and I was like, okay, and I just ended
up watching all the way till the end of the series.
So I have that Robbie Robertson in my head. When
I see this one in the film, I really dig him.
I think he's great. Are we itching to watch the
next film now? Yeah. Yeah, I would say I was.
I mean, obviously I watched them all in one go,
but after the first film, I maybe took a 45 an
hour break, something 45 or an hour break, and
I came back and I threw on the second film. Would
you recommend this film to people? Oh, yeah,
totally. Same here. Yeah. If you want a Spider
-Man movie that is very classic and very, I don't
want to say basic story, but it pretty much is
a beginning middle end of a story. They leave
a few threads hanging with Uncle Ben and all
that for the second film, but overall it's a
well -packaged movie and it's a well -told Spider
-Man story. Yup. Zero to five from the GCRN universal
rating system. What are we given this one? I
this one I honestly would give a five I I really
enjoyed this movie and it was one of my favorites
Still one of my favorites when I go back and
rewatch Yeah, I am also going to give it a five.
I thought I was gonna give it slightly lower
because I thought I would have to but I yeah
Watched it and I was like, nope Yeah, so yeah
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a hero in all of us. Gives us strength, makes
us noble. Even though sometimes we have to give
up the thing we want the most. Barker! Where
you been? Looking for you all morning? You're
late. Always late! You're fired! Look at you,
baby. Your grades have been declining. You always
appear exhausted. I know I'm trying. Where you
been, pal? You don't return my calls. I've been
kind of busy. Taking pictures of your friend.
Spider -Man killed my father. No matter what
I do... Do you love me or not? No matter how
hard I try... I want Spider -Man dead. It's the
ones I love who will always be the ones who pay.
I can't keep thinking about you. I'm getting
married. I want a life of my own. I'm Spider
-Man. No more. I forgot to mention this at the
very beginning, folks, but if you've been listening
to the podcast from the start, obviously most
people listen to podcasts from the beginning.
I have to thank, and this is a while ago, this
is years ago that this happened, but I have to
thank the amazing, spectacular Josh Keaton because
he gave us that opening promo of him as Spectacular
Spider -Man from the Spectacular Spider -Man
animated series. So love Josh. Amazing dude.
Got to catch up with him at some point. Spider
-Man 2 in 2004. I don't remember. I know I saw
this in theaters, but I don't remember seeing
this in theaters. Yeah, it was kind of the same
boat for me. I didn't remember when I saw it,
but I remember seeing it. The one thing I do
remember is at the time in 2004, I was in Louisville,
Kentucky. And I follow the radio stations in
Louisville as long as, you know, I know the DJs
or I like the DJs or whatever. So I followed
various radio stations in the city that I was
living in. And one of them was at the time, New
Rock 1051 WLRS. And the afternoon DJ was a lady
by the name of Anne Ray. And they were having
a... Spider -Man contest live at the Mid -City
Mall on the Bardstown Road in Louisville, Kentucky.
And basically you had to go up and say some Spider
-Man line and they would give you a free copy
of the soundtrack to the film. The music, you
know, inspired by, you know, the actual Muse
the the train and dashboard confessional so not
necessarily the score the actual soundtrack because
there is a difference and I got a free copy of
spider -man 2 soundtrack and I I It's like the
taglines for me I feel like they went down because
the soundtrack for spider -man 2 includes tracks
from Dashboard Confessional, Train, Hoobastank,
Jet, Yellowcard, Maroon 5, Taking Back Sunday,
Midtown, Lost Profits, Smile Empty Soul, and
a bunch of others. I didn't love the soundtrack
for this one, I'll just be honest. Yeah, me either.
I did buy it. Yeah. Because I liked the first
films. Yeah. Like several tracks off of this.
Yeah. I don't like the whole soundtrack. I love,
I, I'm not a huge fan of train, but you know,
like, but that song ordinary, I absolutely love
that one. I loved the maroon five track woman.
And that's, that's pretty much the, the two tracks.
And even the smile, empty smile, the smile, empty
soul song, who I am. I love those three tracks
off of this. So three tracks out of 15 that I
love. And obviously the last two tracks are the
Spidey Suite and the Doc Ock Suite from Danny
Elfman. So I like those two, but the actual song,
artist songs, there are three off of that that
I liked. Spider -Man 2, it... I remember everyone
saying, like, it's the best Spider -Man film
ever. It's this, it's that, it's, it's, it's,
it's thing. And I liked it. I thought it was
good. I think the one line to this day that I
remember from this movie is, The power of the
sun in the palm of my hand. Yeah. That's a very
villain line. Like, Mean I get it auto was wanting
to Do sustainable energy do you know, you know
lower all of our electric bills and all that
and everything else and that's great, but He
should have made that inhibitor chip a little
stronger Yo, yo So with this film We have this
takes two this takes two years takes place two
years later after the events of the first film
and Peter is struggling to balance superhero
and private life All heroes go through struggles
And of course, he's pining after Mary Jane who
is now engaged to John Jameson who is JJJ's Son,
I believe they said in this one. Well, in the
animated series, I think it was his nephew or
something. No, it was his son. Was it really?
Yeah. Okay. Obviously, we have the thing with
Harry with him assuming that the bug is responsible
for his father's death. And, you know, we have
Doc Ock, Alfred Molina. Man, what a good performance
with this. Such a... Like he brought Doc Ock
to life, like right off the page. I think the
only thing he didn't have was an accent because
I remember in the original 94 animated series
he had a little bit of an accent. What's funny
is I watched this movie. Mm -hmm, and I didn't
really have a great appreciation for it after
watching it Okay, it kind of soured it I don't
know something about it just rubbed me wrong
and I couldn't ever figure it out and I feel
like they left off his character in a weird way
right and I I don't know just something about
it just fell off and I just I never was able
to place it and until I watched, uh, No Way Home.
Yeah. And then I was like, okay, I feel like
they fulfilled his character finally. Like there
was just always something that rubbed me wrong
about the whole way that he went out. Right.
Yeah. I mean, it was like, I had kind of forgotten
about the way he had gone out and, you know,
I had thought that he had died because they had
to drown the power of the sun, the tritium. They
had to drown it in order for it to not, you know,
destroy the world. But they left it being very
vague. There was no, like... You're like, is
he going to return in the next film? Yeah, if
they had ended on that and didn't have the whole
Harry thing at the end, if they had just left
it on where it's Otto tells the arms to obey
him and sacrifices himself to destroy the experiment
and Mary Jane sees Peter's true identity, which
he says is why they cannot be together. If it
had ended there and didn't go to Harry, I would
be like, but wait. What happened to Doc Ock?
Are we supposed to assume he died or did he survive?
I don't know. It was some sort of explosion or
something, but we don't know. Yeah. It was super
vague and I didn't care for how it ended. I felt
like that they did it a service when they brought
him back for the new movies. In the end of this
film, Mary Jane, who was engaged to John, abandons
him at the altar and runs in the wedding dress
back to the apartment to Peter and... You know
how when something happens and somebody's like,
they did it! They did the thing! They said the
thing! They did the thing! Yeah. I was doing
that this time when she said, go get them tiger.
It's like she said the line. Yes. Go get them
tiger. Even though I know she has always said
that line in this movie. Again, I have not seen
this movie since 2009. So going into it fresh,
man, it was so fun. I really enjoyed it. Yeah,
me too. I didn't have as many negatives like
there was no Green Goblin mask thing or there
was the CGI I believe got a little better. Yeah,
definitely 2002 to 2004. So I think that improved
but with Doc Ock literally Those arms are pulled
off the comic book page. Those arms are pulled
out of the cartoon They look different from one
what they were in the 94 animated series But
for this film and the way that the arms interacted
with him, they were amazing that effect though
that build and how it connected to him and all
of that, you know, you have the inhibitor chip
and then obviously it gets destroyed and they
kind of take over and, you know, make, oh, the
bank scene. When he goes to rob the bank, when
Peter and Aunt May are trying, when Aunt May
is trying to get a loan and she can't get a loan
because she has no, no assets. Rosemary Harris,
man, she is an amazing actress in these movies.
I absolutely love her as Aunt May because in
the bank scene, you know, you see Ock flinging
bags of gold coins. Now I'm curious. I am speaking
to anyone listening to the sound of my voice,
anyone that works in a bank. Do the vaults actually
have gold coins? No. I don't think so either.
I understand. My wife used to work at a bank
and she was the vault teller. Okay. They didn't
know. They actually only had limited amounts
of money that was actually in the bank. Yeah.
It was near impossible to have any of that stuff.
Maybe it's possible in a New York bank, but I
think that they usually have to ship it in specifically
if it's asked for. Right. And I think it's just
for this, it's just for the movie. I get it.
It's for the scene where Doc Ock can throw bags
of gold at Spider -Man and Spider -Man can dodge
them and he can, you know, catch one and throw
it back. Here's your change. You know, do that
line and all that. But the reason why I'm even
bringing this up is Aunt May because one of the
coins kind of like. down the little alleyway
there to where Aunt May and the bank guy is and
he goes to pick it up, she swats his hand, shame
on you. Rosemary Harris's Aunt May was amazing.
Just so good. When was the last time you saw
this one? Same time I rewatched everything. Okay.
Which was about a month and a half. Okay. I watched
it right before No Way Home, but then I watched
the Raimi trilogy again after, just for fun.
I had a better appreciation for this movie after
watching No Way Home, so the Doc Ock stuff and
everything else resonated with me better. I don't
know if it was because I was younger and I didn't
want as much. Thought I guess put into it. Yeah,
or or what it was, but it didn't resonate the
same with me Now as it did back then and back
then I just I didn't care for it now I was like,
okay, that's kind of neat Do you have a favorite
special effect from the second film the train
stopping Oh yes, the train scene. How can we
not talk about that? Is he alive? He's just a
kid. No older than my son. It's alright. We found
something. We won't tell nobody. It's good to
have you back, Spider -Man. That was a beautiful
scene. Yes. Yes, it was. I believe, if I'm not
mistaken, I believe Phil Lamar is in that scene
as one of the background people. I could swear
he is. I think I saw that recently. I agree with
you. that effect of, of the web shooters and,
and webbing up the buildings and trying to hold
on and stop the train. And I love how Peter is
on the train and he's trying to stop it. And
then he decides to put his foot down and that
doesn't work. And he comes back up and the conductor
is like, you got any other ideas? Yeah, I got
a few. And that's when he starts doing the whole
web, web, web, web for the building. And. And
then he's about to fall off, and then this townspeople
save him. Yep. And they carry him over, they
lay him down, and the first guy says, he's just
a kid, no older than my son. And he wakes up,
he sits up, and he's touching his face, and he's
like, uh -oh. And everyone's like... Don't worry.
We're not going to tell anybody. And the two
kids, oh, this killed me. I absolutely love this
moment because that's what comics and whatever
is for is for, you know, kids and to have moments
like this where, you know, we found something
and they gave him the mask back and, you know,
we, we won't tell anybody, Mr. Spider -Man. And
it was just a sign of. Full -on respect and caring
from the people to the hero something that he
never really gets he doesn't really get the Attention
or some people like him most people don't whatever
kind of thing within the context of his stories
I'm not saying that people I Mean there could
be some people in the real world that aren't
a fan of spider -man. That's fine, but I'm saying
within the context of the film There, you know,
you you even see several interviews with oh spider
-man He's a menace like JJ or oh this or oh that
no, I'm I really like spider -man He saved me
once so you have this whole half and half kind
of thing and these people Were so because he
saved them essentially. I mean, you know the
train Didn't go off the end of the line there.
It almost did but it eventually stopped Pacing
of this one, again, I feel this movie is just
right. There's no slow moments. There's no moments
where it's like, oh, time to go to the bathroom,
or this is a bathroom break scene or whatever
kind of thing. How did you feel about the pacing
on this one? This one, I didn't feel that. Okay.
Yeah, we'll get to that other film in a minute.
Overall, I enjoyed it. It wasn't too bad as far
as pacing. Again, I enjoyed it better on my recent
rewatch this year. I have no idea what I said
on the MWIRE episode. I didn't even listen to
it. Yeah, I'll listen to it afterwards. I have
no idea what I said back then. fresh thoughts
going back into it. I enjoyed it for what it
is. I didn't feel like I had to fast forward
anything. It hit the notes differently this time
around, and I enjoyed it for what it was. Yeah,
absolutely. Are we itching to watch the next
film now? Are you talking about before or after
I watched it? The third one. Well, I mean, yeah.
I mean, after you watched it. After you watched
the second one, are you itching to watch the
third one? Yeah. I mean, even though I know what
the third one did, you know what you did. Oh,
my folks. Yeah, yeah. Oh, boy, folks, there's
going to be a severely cracked dividing line
between the two of us when we talk about this
third movie. But we already know you have poor
taste because you like Batman and Robin and Batman
Forever. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, watch it. Batman
Forever is an exception, damn it. Well, you also
like Scrappy Doo, so. Hey, knock it off. He was
the bad guy and they did kill him, so. He was
not the bad guy. Anyways, in the live action
stuff. That doesn't count. It does. No, it doesn't.
Overall, GCR and Universal Rating System grading
scales, 0 to 5. What would you give this one?
Probably a 4 .5. Yeah, I'm right there at a 4.
There were a couple of doc -oc things that I
wasn't that thrilled with, but it wasn't so bad
that I was going to do a severely... downgrading
grade of this movie, because overall, this movie
is spectacular. So we are going to take a quick
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-Man 3, and we'll be back after this. is an award
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ask MJ to marry me. A man has to put his wife
before himself. Can you do that, Peter? Yeah.
I think I can. We have some new information.
This is your uncle's actual killer. We lost his
trail two days ago. This man killed my uncle,
and he's still out there! Everybody needs help
sometimes, Peter. Even Spider -Man. Revenge is
like a poison. It can take us over. And before
you know it, it can turn you into something ugly.
The suit. Where'd this come from? The power.
It feels good. You'll lose yourself to it. Whoa.
Spidey. Love the new outfit. Remember Ben Parker?
What does it matter to you anyway? Everything!
Do you wanna push me away? Why would I wanna
push you away? I love you. You knew this was
coming, Pete. I didn't kill your father! things
to each other. We have to forgive each other
or everything we ever were will mean nothing.
I need your help. I have to stop it. This could
be the end of Spider -Man. All right, folks,
we are back and we're going to wrap up this episode
of Studio 2009 by talking about 2007's Spider
-Man 3. I do remember seeing this in theaters.
However, I don't remember anything. I don't remember
me, you know, coming out of the theater fist
pumped in the air or anything like that. I just
don't remember. I don't remember what I said
13 years ago on the MWIRE episode, which I will
link in the show notes if anyone wants to listen
to that old episode. However, Spider -Man 3 picks
up a year after the events of the second film.
Peter is still with Mary Jane, while Harry succeeds
his father as the new Green Goblin, credited
as New Goblin. In this movie, we have the story
of... Flint Marco, aka Sandman, and Edward Brock
Jr., sir, as Venom. Now, I have to talk about
this briefly first. I have to talk about these
two actors, Thomas Hayden Church and Topher Grace.
Did you ever see the comedy series Wings with
Andrew Weber and Tim Daly? Vaguely. I didn't,
that was not a show I cared to watch. Okay. So
basically it's a comedy show from NBC. It ran,
I believe started, it was, it was, it was like
one of those full house things where it started
in the eighties and went into the nineties. I
think, I don't know. I'm not looking at it, but
in Wings Thomas Hayden Church plays the mechanic
Lowell for Tim Daly's Joe Hackett's character.
who has the sandpiper air so he's basically the
airline mechanic now with thomas hayden church
that's the only thing between this and that it's
the only thing i know him from so when casting
when the casting news came out for spider -man
3 i'm like hey it's lowell from wings and everybody
just kind of looks at me cock -eyed like uh who
Well, Topher Grace was on That 70s Show. That
70s Show. He was Eric on That 70s Show. I'm sorry,
Eric as a villain. He was the worst part of this
film. It was just bad casting. For Thomas Hayden
Church. He, like I said, basically, he did one
episode of 21 Jump Street in 1989. He was one
of those actors that started out doing episode
here, episode there of shows. And then from 1990
to 1995, he was Lowell Mather in Wings for 123
episodes. He was also on Ned and Stacey and a
bunch of other things as well with Topher, like
you said. That 70s show and I Watching this again,
and I know everyone says this is a low light
but watching this again and watching once the
venom symbiote takes him over I actually like
him in the venom symbiote this time around The
first time I was like, maybe one scene at the
end when he was doing stuff. But overall, I wasn't
that impressed the first time back in 2007, 2010,
whenever we did, or 2009, I should say, whenever
we did the other episode. But this time around,
I was really impressed with what he did with
Eddie because it - Sort of reminded me of the
animated series one. It's kind of the same thing
where he you know In the animated series, he's
like spider -man made me sick made me lose my
girl made me lose my apartment Like so when I
look when I watched this this time I was like
hmm Yeah, I I don't like his Eddie without venom
attached to it With the venom symbiote attached
to it, I really really dug it this time around.
And I mean, he's been in some major stuff. I
mean, he, you know, obviously, like we said,
that 70s show from 98 to 2006. Films he's done.
He was in Playing It Cool with another superhero,
because Playing It Cool stars Chris Evans. He
debuted in Traffic in 2000, and then he was in
Ocean's Eleven as himself in an uncredited cameo
in 2001. I would say Spider -Man 3 is probably
his kind of breakout for film anyway, besides
the TV show. After that, I don't know any of
these films that he's done. I think the only
one I recognize is Black Klansman. He played
David Duke in that, but the rest I don't. So
you still don't like Eddie slash Venom in this?
No. How did you feel about Flint Marco slash
Sandman in this this time around? I mean, I was
indifferent on him just because I didn't really
see him as a major threat. Uh -huh. And they
actually took him a step higher in the new Spider
-Man movie. Mm -hmm. So it was nice seeing him
come back, nice seeing Doc Ock come back, and
nice seeing Goblin come back. But it was kind
of funny because they picked one villain from
each film. And then they picked only one villain,
because he had multiples in the various Amazing
Spider -Man movies. They picked the one major
threat. Electro. Yeah. Never mind. He had like
Vulture and he had Goblin and he had the lizard.
Right. Yeah. I mean, I understand why people
don't like Spider -Man 3. When I watched it this
time, again, like the other two films, I felt
like I was going in fresh with this. I felt like...
It was a whole new movie to me again, and I liked
pretty much almost everything. What I really
liked and appreciated is, again, how the Venom
symbiote looks, specifically when it's moving
towards Peter. That whole scene where he's lying
in bed and it... crawls up the bed, and I like
the way that looks, and then it grabs his face,
and he opens his eye, and the next thing you
know, he's on this building. How did I get here?
What is this suit? Ooh, the power. I like it.
And the one thing I noticed this time around
with these actors and these characters, between
Tobey Maguire and Topher Grace, What I noticed
was the characteristics of Peter Parker and the
characteristics of Eddie Brock. Eddie feels like
everyone's crapping all over him. Eddie feels
like he has no luck. Eddie feels like he can't
catch a break. And obviously Eddie did a very
wrong thing. He doctored the photo. and all of
that and Peter tattled on him if you want to,
you know, go the whole schoolyard route with
that. But the thing is, with Peter wearing the
the Venom suit and with Eddie wearing the Venom
suit, when Peter is wearing it as black suited
Spider -Man, he's a little darker than he normally
is, but he doesn't go so far that The venom,
the actual venom part of the symbiote comes out
of Peter. And with Peter, you know, it makes
him more cocky than he already is at times. And
the one, there's one scene in this that I'm like,
oh, two, two scenes in this room. Like, okay,
I can fast forward this or I can pause this and
take a bathroom break. And it's the scene where
he's doing the dancing and doing the role and
doing the cha -cha -cha. And then - Yeah, I did
fast forward that. When they're in the jazz club,
oh God. When they're in the jazz, like those
two scenes are the only things I don't like about
this film because I don't like seeing Peter Barker
that way. And that's why I, over the years, I'm
like, eh, Toby McGuire, eh, whatever, you know,
kind of thing. And other than that though, looking
at how the venom suit affected Peter and looking
at how it affected Brock and Peter got it off
of him by the sonics by the bell and whatever.
That's a classic scene of how he gets it off
and it drips onto to Eddie and Eddie just fully
takes it over and we are venom and all this and
all that. Whereas Peter doesn't want to save
the suit at the end, Peter actually throws a
pumpkin bomb at it. And Eddie's like, no, and
obviously it destroys the suit, the symbiote
and himself. So I don't know what universe, the
only universe I can see them bringing venom back
into the MCU is if they use the Flash Thompson
version anti -venom, if they use that. But I
don't think Eddie Brock can come back if they're
going to be connecting the universes now because
he blowed up real good. Well, they also in the
end of Homecoming, or not Homecoming, No Way
Home, had Venom. Yeah, they had the Tom Hardy
Venom, and that's fine. They left part of the
symbiote. They came back to his own world, but
part of the symbiote was left behind. Right,
yeah. Like we said, we'll get to that when we
do the Holland films later this summer. Uh, is
there anything else you would like to say about
Spider -Man 3? Don't think so. What would you
rate it zero to five? I'll probably give it a...
I'll probably give it a four. I'm gonna give
it a three and a half. I'm being very generous.
I feel I'm being very generous at three and a
half, as much as I like all of the Spider -Man,
Venom, Sandman things. At three and a half, I
can take off those points for those Peter Parker
scenes, and that's really all the reason why
I'm only giving it a three and a half. Well,
I only hate the emo Peter. Yeah, that's what
I'm talking about. And the other thing is we
didn't really talk about this, but the whole
Flint Marco Sandman thing. It didn't choose to
be this. The only thing left to me now is my
daughter. That's a guy just trying to help his
daughter. I mean, yeah, he goes out and does
some bad things, but he's doing it for a good
reason. And obviously he got caught. You know,
he was a criminal and they tied this up in this.
So thankfully, and I didn't want to not mention
this, I almost forgot about it. Apparently, somehow
he was the partner of the guy that Peter let
go in the first film. And he was the one that
wanted to steal Uncle Ben's car. And he's the
one where that shot Uncle Ben. So I like how
they kind of did that sort of, but you still
see his sort of redeeming qualities a little
bit. Like he's not just. He's a victim of psychomstance,
I guess you could say. I don't know. Almost.
Three and a half and a four from us. We're going
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direct and Maguire, Dunst and other cast members
set to reprise their roles. Both a fourth and
a fifth film were planned. And at one time, the
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in a March 2009 that only the fourth film was
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were, if there were a fifth and sixth films,
those two films would actually be a continuation
of each other. And obviously since No Way Home,
fans can change the world now. And that's good
and all well and good if you're doing it for
good intentions, but Some fans called for Sony
to make a fourth Tobey Maguire Spider -Man film
using the hashtag MakeRamiSpiderMan4 on Twitter.
In addition, both director Sam Raimi and actress
Kristen Dunst have expressed interest in possible
return in a fourth film. So hey, you know, we
may get it. I'm actually hoping we get some new
Spider -Man movies with the old cast. The other
thing I want to mention before we kind of close
this episode out is And I don't want to harp
on this but this is one of my things where it's
like hmm Toby Maguire Looks so old to be Peter
Parker in the first film in high school. I know
I know they usually cast 20 -something actors
to play younger and everything else, but In that
first film, he does not look like an 18 -year
-old senior in high school. He looks like a 25
-year -old senior in high school who's been left
back. And that would be kind of sad considering
he's a super genius, or he's supposed to be.
Yeah, but Flash Thompson looks older too, so.
True. God, he's 46. Wow, he's five years older
than me. Wow. He's 46 years old now, so when
he made this, 26? I don't know. I just have this
thing in certain movies. If the actors, if I
don't feel like they look like they should be
in high school, then they shouldn't be in high
school again. Like you said about having May
go younger and having Peter Parker go younger
in future movies, you know. It is what it is.
Any other final thoughts that you would like
to impart on the audience, sir? No. Awesome,
awesome. So this is the summer of Spider -Man,
folks. We will be doing the web slash Garfield
films next. I don't know when that will be. It'll
be... Some it'll be released sometime early June.
So this is released May 2nd. This the second
episode probably be June 7th, maybe I don't know
yet, but we've got other things coming here at
Studio 2009. My buddy Ryan and I are doing the
20th anniversary of The Shield. So I think that
episode is actually next. And after that, I don't
know what Steve and I are gonna do. We'll do
something. I've got some Ryan Reynolds things
up my sleeve. Exactly. Anything you want to promote
or talk about or tell the people that you're
working on? Not really. I'm just always working
on various creative projects. Okay. Thank you
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