The Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy Revisited

You ready? Yep. Okay, here we go. Hey, it's your

friendly neighborhood Spider -Man here, and I'm

swinging by the Geekcast Radio Network. May 3rd

2002 it was a Wednesday 20 years ago today Spider

-man hit the big screen I TF2 and Mike was 22

years old and Steve Megatron who is here with

me was only 16 years old at the time. Yep We

both saw this film in theaters on day one, correct?

Correct. Yep So now we're going to reminisce

on those times and how we feel about the Raimi

trilogy after 20 years. You are inside Studio

2009 only on the Geekcast Radio Network. Man,

I had a hard time coming up with that and originally

that was going to be a voiceover with me kind

of talking like this. And that really hurts my

voice. I mean, I've been podcasting for 14 years.

You're the voice dude. You're the, you know,

I am not worthy. I am not worthy, you know, kind

of thing. But I was trying to, I was going to

originally do something with that, where it would

be like an announcer voice at the beginning of

the show. But that sounds really, oh God, it

sounds horrible in my own head. Anyway. It sounds

entertaining though. yeah I recorded one thing

I did but and maybe I'll throw that as an outtake

but I I just couldn't I couldn't keep up with

it who am I you sure you want to know if somebody

told you I was just your average ordinary guy

not a care in the world somebody lied Truth is,

it wasn't always like this. There was a time

when life was a lot less complicated. Can I take

your picture for the school paper? Sure. In this

lab, we have 15 genetically enhanced super spiders.

There's 14. One's missing. So, Spider -Man, Sam

Raimi, Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, James Franco,

J .K. Simmons, Rosemary Harris, Cliff Robertson

and doing all of this from memory not looking

at anything because spider man. If batman 89

was the thing to get batman back into the zeitgeist

of of popular culture. Even though we had spider

man the animated series from marvel and john

semper jr. Even though we had Spider -Man Unlimited,

we had the MTV Spider -Man animated. Oh God.

And obviously there was animated series before

then, but - I didn't care for the, the, the,

uh, MTV stuff. Me either. So, but it's one of

those things where, you know, what's the next

step? Well, the next step happened in 1998 when

they did Blade. And then obviously in 2000, they

did X -Men and in 2001. We got the teaser trailer

for Spider -Man. Yep. Now, I want to warn everybody,

just in case, if you have a hard time hearing

September 11th things, you can probably fast

forward the podcast five, 10 minutes. It is a

part of the original film's history. Because

the original poster the original teaser poster

has spider -man you only see his hand but you

see his face clinging to a wall and you see in

his eye the world trades you see the Twin Towers

and I had completely forgotten that they had

done that poster because obviously the attacks

happened and then Thankfully, and obviously rationally,

they changed everything and they removed all

that stuff and they changed the poster and all

that. I look back on that original teaser poster

now and I see it as a tribute because it's just

one of those things where I, you know, I don't

know about you and you can tell your story in

a second. For me, I wasn't sure when that happened.

I was not sure if it was real, because at the

time I was on the phone at 6 a .m. with some

girl that I thought I was in love with at the

time. I was I was 22 years old. I was out in

the world. I was whatever. We had been on the

phone all night, so by the time the 6 a .m.,

7 a .m. news, Good Morning America, whatever,

I saw the towers. I saw the black, the blackest

smoke I had ever seen. And until I saw the ticker

go by on the TV, I thought it was just them show.

Oh, this is a new a new movie or a new this or

a new that. Oh, no. Oh, no. America got attacked.

And I was like, you know, to the girl, I was

like, you need to if you know anyone in New York,

you have any family members in New York that

work in the World Trade Center, you need to we

need to hang up right now. We need to call them.

We need to, you know, you know, same thing with

me. If we did, which I wish we didn't, but it's

just one of those things where I didn't realize

until probably 830 AM that it was 830, 835, 840.

I don't remember the actual, but it took me about

40 minutes to realize that this was something

real, something happening in our country. And

damn, it's been 21 years since that happened.

Yup. So this movie, this movie man, how many

times since that original theatrical adventure

you had, have you seen the first film? Probably

about a dozen times. More so just because like

I saw it once in the theater and then I bought

the DVD. Mm -hmm, and then I watched it multiple

times that way and I think I've probably watched

it more like recently within the last Actually

when no way home came out I watched all the spider

-man films. Mm -hmm. I have not seen this movie

until So obviously I saw it in theaters and my

theater adventure with this movie was and I know

you're not supposed to do this, but At the time,

I was still in Mississippi and my girlfriend

at the time and I got into a fight. It just turned

out to be the day that Spider -Man was coming

out in theaters. I bought one ticket, saw the

first showing, and then I theater hopped four

more showings. So I saw it five times on the

day that it released in theaters because it was

so damn good. Anyway, oh boy, as far as recently,

I... Like you said, when the special when the

DVDs or the special edition DVDs or whatever,

but really the only time I remember watching

this is when we originally did it for movie we

can review episode 12. With Mike the bird man,

so and that was 2009, so I have not seen this

film or the other two from Remy in a long time,

so I wanted this to basically be. Hey, I'm. going

in cold. I didn't even listen to the podcast.

I'm like, I'm not going to listen to the however

long ago podcast it was. I may listen to it after

we do this recording, whatever. But I'm like,

yeah, I want to be as fresh as I can be. And

it was just as enjoyable as it was that first

day 20 years ago. I think I have a better understanding

for it and appreciation for it now than I did

back then. Just because, I mean, we've had three

Spider -Men now. Honestly, I'm really excited

to see Tobey Maguire reprise. I find it just,

I don't know, it was just that much more fulfilling

to see it now. seen the payoff in No Way Home.

Yeah. And honestly, like for me, I know some

individuals liked Andrew Garfield and he's grown

on me more over the years. I think the film surrounding

him, like the villains, I didn't particularly

care for how they went about everything other

than Michael Keaton. Yeah. But We'll get into

those movies later, but For me Because this was

the spider -man that I grew up with this is my

spider -man like this Toby McGuire like yes I

grew up on the animated series so that's that's

even different yet, but yeah For the films. This

is my spider -man like this is the one I relate

to yeah, because this was the spider -man Yes,

there was no to my knowledge and I could be wrong

and I most likely am wrong So if I'm wrong in

saying this there was no spider -man 66 or 77

or 78 or there was a 1970 spider -man in like

Japan or China or something yeah, and there were

you know spider -man has been an animation since

the 60s and 70s too, but full -on big screen

classic Steve did go stanley spider man in the

lens of sam raney as the director this was and

is our spider man now. Over the years i am because

i haven't gone back and rewatch these. The only

thing i remember are the bad peter parker moments

that we will talk about later in another film

in this episode and. Those are the ones that

kind of turned me off to Toby. And what I say

is Toby's a great Spider -Man, but an okay Peter

Parker, whereas Garfield, which we will talk

about in June, is a great Peter Parker, but an

okay Spider -Man. So the coin kind of flipped

for me between the two actors. Again, I haven't

seen the two. web films, the amazing films, since

we originally did the the MWIRE coverage back

in 2012 and 2014 or whatever the hell that was.

Yeah, I rewatched every film until I finished

the entire series of spider films leading up

to No Way Home. Yep. And I honestly was I had

a better appreciation for all of them going back

in. Even the ones that had bad moments, I think

I'm far less forgiving on the newer stuff than

the older stuff. Even Andrew Garfield's stuff,

I was far more forgiving than I am on the modern

Spider -Man. I don't think i saw far from home

if i did it was i don't remember it i remember

seeing homecoming but homecoming and again we

will get to that in its own episode but for me

in order to do these this triple shot of episodes

over the next couple you know next two three

months i waited until no way home hit digital

because voodoo had a bundle and save eight film

collection. Because I I don't have my old spider

-man DVDs. Oh, yeah, I don't have You know any

of that stuff? I didn't have any of the live

-action spider -man films on iTunes or whatever

else and they're not really streaming anywhere

I mean they are but they aren't but you know

what I mean, like they aren't on specifically

McGuire's films are really hard to come by Well,

there's this eight film collection on voodoo.

So there's that There you go, Voodoo. There's

some promotion for you. I prefer to own my films

than to cower before my streaming overlords.

True. And I mean, technically, I guess I do own

them since I spent the money and bought the collection.

Until Voodoo goes away. Let's hope it doesn't.

It will. Stop it. Stop it. All your money disappears.

Don't you? I fucking dare. I will kill you. I

will jump through this microphone right now and

just kill you dead. My predictions usually come

true. Stop it. Leave it alone. Just like they're

going to wipe out Tom Holland now and replace

him with Tobey Maguire. Lord, no they're not.

And Andrew Garfield. Stop it. They should. What

level of a fan were you before going into this

original movie? Huge. I had quite a few Spider

-Man figures of just Spider -Man himself and

always loved the character in the animated series.

I always had a softer spot for the animated series

of it more than I did X -Men, but X -Men was

a close second. I always liked Spider -Man because

you got Uh, crossovers, you got Iron Man, you

got Captain America, you got Stephen Strange.

So I mean, you, you got kind of the best of both

worlds with Spider -Man series. Yeah. And then

especially on the, uh, the grand finale of this

animated series, you got various Spider -Men.

John Semper Jr. created the Spider -Verse and

back in 1996 or something or whatever that was.

But I mean, regardless, like that was, that was

one of my It was always kind of a tie between

Batman and Spider -Man for me as a kid. I loved

both. I collected comics of both. I watched the

animated series of both. I liked the films of

both. Obviously, Spider -Man didn't have films

until 2002, but when I heard that there was one

coming and I saw it. Yeah, some of the CGI is

terrible when he's jumping across rooftops. Honestly,

I still love the stinking films. Yeah, the first

film, I don't like to, and I've said this on

this podcast and on other podcasts I do, I view

things in the time that they were made. I don't

like to say, does this movie hold up today? Does

this is this movie as good? No, but like I I

don't like doing that. I like viewing it in Oh,

no, I I'm the same way like my wife and I watch

like old black and white films and and at the

same time I really like old animation and CGI

like Beast Wars or you know some of the old Batman

animated series stuff and you know things in

that era and If you listen to kids now because

I'm on a lot of the discord channels and That's

that's how they communicate and they used word

they use words that we have no idea what they

mean I Being as much I I heard quite a few of

those today and They're they've created alternate

words that means something that we would say

that was more applicable by the dictionary term.

Meaning like epic or awesome or cool or something

like that, which apparently stopped with our

generation and went. Now they use words like

based and something else. I start with a K. I

don't know. It was really strange. I talk about

how great Beast Wars was, and they're like, oh,

the CGI sucks by today's standards. And I'm like,

no, it's not that bad compared to today's standard,

honestly. If you consider the robots themselves,

the other elements are very bad when it comes

to explosions or certain effects. But the story,

the storyline, the characterizations, and the

voice acting, Trump Anything that's come out

in the last 20 years. I win. I'm saying that

everything has its time. Everything is different.

Everything is subjective to your opinion based

on what you grew up with and based on what might

be the best version. you know, what you were

raised with, because you're going to have a predisposition

for that. Like some kids that are growing up

now are going to say, oh, Tom Holland's my Spider

-Man in which they wouldn't be wrong. It is their

Spider -Man, you know, just like the people that

group with Andrew Garfield and, you know, Toby

McGuire is my Spider -Man. And so it's all subjective

to, you know, what you're predisposed to. And

there are elements of each one that we will each

admit is terrible. And then there are elements

of each one that trump the other one. And so

there's that. But I mean, again, it's just kind

of figuring out that whole dynamic of how it

all works in a modern sense, but still looking

at it from the time it was created. Yeah, absolutely.

And before we get into breaking down the film

of our favorite moments, least favorite moments,

characters and all that. I wanted to do this

here with the first film and I will not repeat

this in the Spider -Man. Well, I won't repeat

it later in the podcast because this is one whole

thing for these three films. What I noticed is

that the music and the promotional taglines de

-evolved over these movies. So the first film,

I'm not going to go through all of these. But

there are eleven taglines for this movie. The

one I always remember is in 2001, when they did

that trailer next summer, go for the ultimate

spin. And then there's turn, you know, next summer,

you know, turn your world upside down. On May

3rd, the entire world will connect to the web.

And then they did a. Another spin -off at next

summer one hero will take you for the ultimate

spin But as we go through the three films the

taglines, I don't know it gets worse like Spider

-man 2's taglines sacrifice destiny choice three

words one single line for each word three words

it isn't like This is my sacrifice. This is my

destiny and I've made my choice. It's just Word,

enter, word, enter, word, enter. And then it

has this summer, a man will face his destiny,

a hero will be revealed and take another spin

in IMAX. Because apparently Spider -Man, I remember

Spider -Man 2 being in IMAX. And then Spider

-Man 3 is next summer. The greatest battle lies

within how long can any man fight the darkness

before he finds it in himself? I don't know.

And then the music, I want to get this out of

the way. 2002, Nickelback had just released their

album Silver Side Up, which sadly, obviously

nobody knew this at the time, but sadly, Silver

Side Up's anniversary actually is September 11th,

2001. They released that album. And in 2002,

Chad Kroger. From Nickelback along with Josie

Scott from saliva teamed up and gave us hero.

That was a great song. Oh, it's a, I love that

song, but I listened to it. Yeah. Yeah. These,

these films, I actually bought the soundtracks,

like the musical soundtracks. I had Spider -Man

one and two. I don't have the CDs anymore, but

I ripped them a long time ago to my computer.

Yep. And so I still have them somewhere, but.

Yeah, absolutely. And it just, Danny Elfman was

the composer on the first two and then he wasn't

the composer on the third one. And that's fine.

It is what it is. Well, the third movie. for

all intents and purposes was kind of a slog and

they knew it was going to fail. In essence, like

after it had already kind of, they were, they

were having trouble with not only like funding,

but Toby had gotten a chip on his shoulder. And,

and he realizes it nowadays, like that, cause

that kind of, after this film, he kind of, he

was in things, but he kind of fizzled out. Yep,

and disappeared for a while and nobody would

have anything to do with him And then he finally

got his life right and then he's been showing

up and things again Yeah, I mean the only other

thing that I remember him in around this it was

actually before this but around this time the

only other thing I really remember him from was

I think cats and dogs and Pleasantville Pleasantville

and he was in Brothers Which Jake Gyllenhaal

was the brother. Which is funny because he's

Mysterio. That's very true. There was another

movie, I think he was in, I don't know if it

was like Seabiscuit or something else. Yeah,

it was Seabiscuit. I think so, but it fizzled

out too. He kind of just disappeared. I mean,

yeah, from 2011 to 2013, 2011 he has the details,

2013 he did The Great Gatsby. Yeah, The Gatsby.

Yeah, that was another one he kept shooting himself

in the foot, I think. Yeah, I mean, you know,

I don't know. But this film overall, I absolutely

dig it. I still like it to this day. Oh, yeah.

Even though I haven't watched it often. I kinda

sorta, I kinda sorta planned that because again,

as I said earlier, and I know I'm repeating myself,

I wanted just to be able to go into this movie

sitting here at my desk with my 32 inch monitor

and to relive what I experienced 20 years ago

when I was in the theater. Okay, yeah, I don't

have a theater chair as as my desk chair, whatever,

and my 32 inch flat panel monitor isn't a giant

80 foot screen or whatever. But still my monitor

is damn good. And I just enjoyed the hell out

of this film. The first film. Oh, yeah, yeah,

it just So here's here's how I do things folks

and I'm sure people know this and I think Steve

generally knows this I will watch things a minimum

of two times a maximum of four times The first

time I'm just watching it to watch it to experience

it the second time I'm watching it to grab audio

for audio clips for the podcast If something

happens where we have to reschedule You know

a recording date I will obvious because I need

things fresh in my mind. Like literally I spent

the past weekend. Well, last couple of weekends

ago, as we're recording this, even though we're

releasing this on May 3rd, but you know, we're

recording this at the end of April. I watched

all three films back to back to back over the

past weekend before we, before we recorded this

episode, because I wanted them to be as fresh

in my mind as possible. And for the original

Spider -Man. Highlights for me, you know, good

moments. Almost all of the web swinging, almost

all of his moves as Spider -Man. There were a

couple that it didn't look right, but those money

shots that you get of him web swinging. I like

that. There are so many great character moments

between him and Norman and And all of that, I

love, there is no, there's no other man in live

action that could play J. Jonah Jameson like

J .K. Simmons does. It's, you rip J .K., you

rip J. Jonah Jameson right off the comic page

when they cast J .K. Simmons because damn, I

love that guy as J .K. Simmons. And that's why

they brought him back for the modern Spider -Man

trilogy. Yep, and yeah, he's not running like

he's running the Daily Bugle, but it's like a

It's a media conglomerate. It's a media conglomerate,

but it reminds me of Alex Jones Yeah, yeah, like

very like conspiracy theory and in your face

and and then he's trying to sell some product

Yep. Yep, and I was like, yep. That's that's

J Jonah Jameson. Yep, you know Even even without

the hair he looks he looks it and he sounds it

like the dude the dude is a genius The lines

in this first film. Oh My god just it's JJJ to

a tee. It was so good Cliff Robertson as uncle

Ben with the you know, great. He works very too.

He was amazing absolutely love him Notice Aunt

May gets younger every trilogy. Yes, or every

series more or less I think that's because they

want to... They show Peter younger, too, though.

Yeah, that's the thing. Technically, Peter is

supposed to be not just a senior in high school

ready to graduate to go to college and move on,

but he's supposed to be like a freshman, sophomore,

junior in high school. It is what it is, and

that's fine. It's whatever. The only low light

I have for the first film is the goblin suit,

the face mask. It's the only thing that distracts

me because I can see his face in it. Well, it's

not even that for me. The only thing that takes

me out of Green Goblin is the fact that it's

not a rubbery mask. Like it's it's a Power Ranger

helmet. Yeah, essentially but I Don't hate it

either because I've seen worse come out on certain

villains because they CGI it Yeah, and back then

they just didn't have that technology to really

do it efficiently that they do now and I think

they could pull it off great now, but Same token.

I love it for what it is So like I've just grown

an appreciation for it regardless. The only lowlights

I would give it is like when he's hopping the

buildings And you can tell that it's CGI like

it's It's blatantly obvious and it's it's laughable.

Yep, but I don't again. I don't hate it It's

just very obvious Yeah What are some of your

favorite character moments from the first film?

Well where He's fighting Bonesaw, which I was

familiar with Wrestling at the time so macho

man Randy Savage was my favorite wrestler and

then you had Bruce Campbell in there, you know

as the announcer and he's he's cool too and I

Liked the that first fight, you know, they call

him spider. He's like I'm spider guy or something

and he says that sucks The Incredible Spider

-Man. That's not my name. Yeah. Seeing him put

on the costume for the first time, all of the

moments where he's interacting with Mary Jane,

the whole thing where the blood droplet happens.

Yes. When Norman is suspicious of it. Yeah. I

don't know. There's so many great moments in

the film. Then the unfortunate part is - Harry

doesn't know the whole situation. And so he's

got this seething venom for Spider -Man. Yes.

Yes, he does. Venom. Yes. And my favorite character

moments, like you said, I agree, Bonesaw. Everyone

knows what film you're talking about. If you

just say... And it's ironic that we're doing

this episode now because recently some, I don't

know what it is. There's a story online. I'll

have to find it, but someone changed the Bonesaw

scene. With what? Well, let me see if I can pull

this up here. So they, what they did was because

there's a line in there that Spider -Man says

that Is not, uh, apparently a good line for today.

And I don't think I have it. It's so basically

what they did is in the, in the scene where he's

up top and he says, that's a cute outfit. They

cut it there. So the, the, the line in the movie

is actually, that's a cute outfit. Did your husband

give it to you? Oh, boo. It's like, leave it

alone for the time that it's made. I don't know.

And I only bring it up because, again, I saw

the article recently right before we were recording

this. Yeah. I mean, I'm not... I'll admit it.

I chuckled. Because there was a lot of things

in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s that everyone

said to each other that... It was to mock someone,

but it was like, okay, I'm going to use this

and I'm going to put in my own perspective and

my own experience. So for those listening to

Studio 2009, if we have any listeners, I hope

we do. For those of you who are listening, I

don't know how much of this I've said on this

show, but I found out in 2019 and I don't know

how I didn't know this. before my 39th birthday,

but on May 6th of 2019, I found out I was born

without a piece of my brain. It just did not

form when my, when I, when I was, you know, in

the womb. The corpus column. This is the piece

of your brain that divides the left and right

hemispheres. Okay. So I have brain damage. I

have cerebral palsy. In the 80s and 90s, there

was a line that people would ask, what's your

major malfunction? Yes, it was insulting. Yes.

You know, I got angry about it, whatever. What,

you know, or what's your handicap or this, that,

you know, you know what I mean? Those lines that,

okay, specifically, let's say You don't like

something and it's from 1989 and you say oh that's

gay. People were saying oh that's gay in the

80s and 90s all the time as a descriptor for

something they didn't like. Or again because

I was born brain damaged and I have disabilities

people used to call me a retard. Now when they

were directly calling me a retard, yes, that

is an insult, but if I say to whatever that I

think that this scene in this cartoon was a little

retarded, that's a descriptor of what I think.

And I don't know how you define that descriptor,

but There are words that we used to use that

we can't use anymore. We shouldn't. Oh yeah,

I know. I used to say it too. And I'm not trying

to get political here folks at all. I'm just

saying that that line is of its time. And we

used to be able to laugh at things like that.

Because it's a character, a fictional character.

Imagine Ben Affleck, folks, from J & Sal Bob

Strike Back. Fictional character. Talking to

another fictional character. It isn't like Toby

Maguire is saying to Randy Savage, I don't know.

I've spent too much time on this, but it's not

that big of a deal. And if people want to remove

it, fine, that's their choice and I'm not, whatever.

I prefer that they just leave things alone and

not edit them. It's a product of its time. I

find it more distasteful to edit it after the

fact. It's like it was in the original film,

just leave it be. I mean, obviously they edited

out the whole scene with the towers and everything

else because of the tragedy and that's fine.

And that was the filmmakers choice. But what

you're saying is other people that don't want

to hear. Yeah. I mean, if you're, if you're that

offended over something over, especially fictional

media, I think you have bigger problems than

just the words that are being said. Like it's

not, there's no reason to. Yeah, it might be

it might be offensive like you said it might

make you mad Yeah, I don't think it's worth throwing

like a giant More or less grown -up tantrum over

it I I was made fun of as a kid for being a geek

and a nerd and I don't sit there and protest

that oh everybody's Mean to me because you know,

I don't like want films altered to to you know

Take the jock character out that's treating the

nerd like crap Right. Yeah, I mean it's it's

a product of its time. Yes, I can laugh about

it now As a kid did it suck? Yeah, absolutely

But again product of its time. Yeah for me with

the character moments, I really liked The scene

where Goblin catches spider -man doses him spider

-man, you know spider -man time to wake up You

know when he does this whole thing where you

know, he talks alone nap Well, yeah, but it's

it's after that. Yeah, it's it's when he wakes

up and Goblin's talking to him and he's saying,

you know, here's the real truth there are eight

million people in this city and those teeming

masses exist for the sole purpose of Lifting

the few exceptional people onto their shoulders

you me We're exceptional. He says something about,

you know, you and me, we're a different kind

of character and we're this. And I like the way

that Willem Dafoe said the whole you me thing.

It was, it was a really cool little, little vocal

thing that I really enjoyed. I like Spider -Man

with Mary Jane, but I find Toby's Parker to be

way too, way too shy when it comes to Mary Jane.

And I do agree with that. Like he was super shy

in the movie by comparison to like if you watch

the animated series. Yeah, I absolutely love

the cafeteria scene. Oh, where he webs and the

tray and he walks away and then then you get

to the lockers and it's him and flash. Flash

is trying to hit him and he's dodging and dodging

and you know all that. Any time Spider -Man and

JJJ are on scene. My favorite one is when the

Goblin surprises them and Spider -Man comes swinging

in and JJJ is like JJJ is like Spider -Man, Green

Goblin, I knew you were in league together. Spider

-Man just webs his mouth, you know, quiet down

in there. Nothing grownups play. Yeah. He said,

mom and dad have to talk or whatever it was.

And I just, I love that scene. I think that's

great. What I noticed in this rewatch is the

actual sound of the web shooter. Yeah. That is

my favorite special effect from this film is

just that sound of The web being being shot out

of his wrist. I Don't mind that they did organic

web shooters. I know that in the cartoon I know

some people hated that and honestly I thought

that that was a funny gag that they brought into

the the new movies Yeah And I mean, I thought

it was, you know, the original film, I thought

it was the, you know, and Remy and other people,

the stunt people have said it was the easiest

way to be able to do it was to just make them

organic. And the lady that does the presentation,

she even says, you know, oh, this spider spins

webs out of its whatever this spider. So, I mean,

it was kind of obvious that it was going to be,

you know, do you have a favorite special effect

from this? I mean, I obviously love a lot of

the movie, but I just like all the acrobatic

stuff and where he's wearing the costume. Like

anytime he kind of shows up wearing it and I

just, I don't know. I had such a like huge love

for the film that it just, no matter what happened,

I was enjoying it. Yeah. How did you feel about

the pacing of it? I thought it went pretty well.

I didn't really have a big issue with it either

way. Me either. I didn't feel like it was too

long. Nope. And that's the other thing I wanted

to bring up and I will bring it up here because

it surprises me. This film, Spider -Man from

2002, has a running time of 121 minutes. So with

spider -man 2 it is a hundred and twenty seven

minutes and with spider -man 3 it's a hundred

and thirty nine minutes How is spider -man 3

the longest film out of this trilogy because

each one got worse Okay, well that's just yeah,

I that's your opinion then that's okay Yeah on

the on this rewatch I watched this film from

beginning to end in one shot Like you said, we

loved every moment of it. I loved every moment

of it. There were certain things that I was like,

Oh, okay. I remember that. Okay. I remember that.

But I never felt like I needed to pause to go

to the bathroom or pause to do something out.

Like I never needed to walk away from it because

it was so good. It kept your attention. and all

of that. If you had to pick your favorite main

or recurring, well, we don't really have recurring,

but if you had to pick your favorite characters,

who would they be? Out of this movie? Yep. Peter

Parker, hand down. Spider -Man, hands down. And

then I liked Mary Jane and William Defoe. Down

came the goblin and took the spider out. Absolutely.

Those were my main three. Yeah, I think Harry

did really well for the role that he was playing.

Now, out of the Harry Osborn that has been used

to date, I liked him the best. Right. Let me

rephrase that. I liked all of the casting choices

they made for this first film over any of the

other ones. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I I like

Spider -Man. Peter Parker's OK. I don't know.

I just I don't know. But I love Mary Jane. She's

great. The only time I don't like her is when

she Starts singing later. I mean, yeah, that's

not the energy. Yeah, it is. And we'll get to

that. But, uh, but yeah, I mean, Spider -Man

Green Goblin, I mean, JJJ is number one for me.

So, and even Robbie, Robbie Robertson, uh, they

had him in there and I love the way he interacts

with, with Spider -Man and with, and with Jonah

because. I don't know, I was getting lines from

the 94 cartoon and I just ended up re - like,

I started just before the Six Forgotten Warriors

arc starts and I was like, okay, and I just ended

up watching all the way till the end of the series.

So I have that Robbie Robertson in my head. When

I see this one in the film, I really dig him.

I think he's great. Are we itching to watch the

next film now? Yeah. Yeah, I would say I was.

I mean, obviously I watched them all in one go,

but after the first film, I maybe took a 45 an

hour break, something 45 or an hour break, and

I came back and I threw on the second film. Would

you recommend this film to people? Oh, yeah,

totally. Same here. Yeah. If you want a Spider

-Man movie that is very classic and very, I don't

want to say basic story, but it pretty much is

a beginning middle end of a story. They leave

a few threads hanging with Uncle Ben and all

that for the second film, but overall it's a

well -packaged movie and it's a well -told Spider

-Man story. Yup. Zero to five from the GCRN universal

rating system. What are we given this one? I

this one I honestly would give a five I I really

enjoyed this movie and it was one of my favorites

Still one of my favorites when I go back and

rewatch Yeah, I am also going to give it a five.

I thought I was gonna give it slightly lower

because I thought I would have to but I yeah

Watched it and I was like, nope Yeah, so yeah

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a hero in all of us. Gives us strength, makes

us noble. Even though sometimes we have to give

up the thing we want the most. Barker! Where

you been? Looking for you all morning? You're

late. Always late! You're fired! Look at you,

baby. Your grades have been declining. You always

appear exhausted. I know I'm trying. Where you

been, pal? You don't return my calls. I've been

kind of busy. Taking pictures of your friend.

Spider -Man killed my father. No matter what

I do... Do you love me or not? No matter how

hard I try... I want Spider -Man dead. It's the

ones I love who will always be the ones who pay.

I can't keep thinking about you. I'm getting

married. I want a life of my own. I'm Spider

-Man. No more. I forgot to mention this at the

very beginning, folks, but if you've been listening

to the podcast from the start, obviously most

people listen to podcasts from the beginning.

I have to thank, and this is a while ago, this

is years ago that this happened, but I have to

thank the amazing, spectacular Josh Keaton because

he gave us that opening promo of him as Spectacular

Spider -Man from the Spectacular Spider -Man

animated series. So love Josh. Amazing dude.

Got to catch up with him at some point. Spider

-Man 2 in 2004. I don't remember. I know I saw

this in theaters, but I don't remember seeing

this in theaters. Yeah, it was kind of the same

boat for me. I didn't remember when I saw it,

but I remember seeing it. The one thing I do

remember is at the time in 2004, I was in Louisville,

Kentucky. And I follow the radio stations in

Louisville as long as, you know, I know the DJs

or I like the DJs or whatever. So I followed

various radio stations in the city that I was

living in. And one of them was at the time, New

Rock 1051 WLRS. And the afternoon DJ was a lady

by the name of Anne Ray. And they were having

a... Spider -Man contest live at the Mid -City

Mall on the Bardstown Road in Louisville, Kentucky.

And basically you had to go up and say some Spider

-Man line and they would give you a free copy

of the soundtrack to the film. The music, you

know, inspired by, you know, the actual Muse

the the train and dashboard confessional so not

necessarily the score the actual soundtrack because

there is a difference and I got a free copy of

spider -man 2 soundtrack and I I It's like the

taglines for me I feel like they went down because

the soundtrack for spider -man 2 includes tracks

from Dashboard Confessional, Train, Hoobastank,

Jet, Yellowcard, Maroon 5, Taking Back Sunday,

Midtown, Lost Profits, Smile Empty Soul, and

a bunch of others. I didn't love the soundtrack

for this one, I'll just be honest. Yeah, me either.

I did buy it. Yeah. Because I liked the first

films. Yeah. Like several tracks off of this.

Yeah. I don't like the whole soundtrack. I love,

I, I'm not a huge fan of train, but you know,

like, but that song ordinary, I absolutely love

that one. I loved the maroon five track woman.

And that's, that's pretty much the, the two tracks.

And even the smile, empty smile, the smile, empty

soul song, who I am. I love those three tracks

off of this. So three tracks out of 15 that I

love. And obviously the last two tracks are the

Spidey Suite and the Doc Ock Suite from Danny

Elfman. So I like those two, but the actual song,

artist songs, there are three off of that that

I liked. Spider -Man 2, it... I remember everyone

saying, like, it's the best Spider -Man film

ever. It's this, it's that, it's, it's, it's,

it's thing. And I liked it. I thought it was

good. I think the one line to this day that I

remember from this movie is, The power of the

sun in the palm of my hand. Yeah. That's a very

villain line. Like, Mean I get it auto was wanting

to Do sustainable energy do you know, you know

lower all of our electric bills and all that

and everything else and that's great, but He

should have made that inhibitor chip a little

stronger Yo, yo So with this film We have this

takes two this takes two years takes place two

years later after the events of the first film

and Peter is struggling to balance superhero

and private life All heroes go through struggles

And of course, he's pining after Mary Jane who

is now engaged to John Jameson who is JJJ's Son,

I believe they said in this one. Well, in the

animated series, I think it was his nephew or

something. No, it was his son. Was it really?

Yeah. Okay. Obviously, we have the thing with

Harry with him assuming that the bug is responsible

for his father's death. And, you know, we have

Doc Ock, Alfred Molina. Man, what a good performance

with this. Such a... Like he brought Doc Ock

to life, like right off the page. I think the

only thing he didn't have was an accent because

I remember in the original 94 animated series

he had a little bit of an accent. What's funny

is I watched this movie. Mm -hmm, and I didn't

really have a great appreciation for it after

watching it Okay, it kind of soured it I don't

know something about it just rubbed me wrong

and I couldn't ever figure it out and I feel

like they left off his character in a weird way

right and I I don't know just something about

it just fell off and I just I never was able

to place it and until I watched, uh, No Way Home.

Yeah. And then I was like, okay, I feel like

they fulfilled his character finally. Like there

was just always something that rubbed me wrong

about the whole way that he went out. Right.

Yeah. I mean, it was like, I had kind of forgotten

about the way he had gone out and, you know,

I had thought that he had died because they had

to drown the power of the sun, the tritium. They

had to drown it in order for it to not, you know,

destroy the world. But they left it being very

vague. There was no, like... You're like, is

he going to return in the next film? Yeah, if

they had ended on that and didn't have the whole

Harry thing at the end, if they had just left

it on where it's Otto tells the arms to obey

him and sacrifices himself to destroy the experiment

and Mary Jane sees Peter's true identity, which

he says is why they cannot be together. If it

had ended there and didn't go to Harry, I would

be like, but wait. What happened to Doc Ock?

Are we supposed to assume he died or did he survive?

I don't know. It was some sort of explosion or

something, but we don't know. Yeah. It was super

vague and I didn't care for how it ended. I felt

like that they did it a service when they brought

him back for the new movies. In the end of this

film, Mary Jane, who was engaged to John, abandons

him at the altar and runs in the wedding dress

back to the apartment to Peter and... You know

how when something happens and somebody's like,

they did it! They did the thing! They said the

thing! They did the thing! Yeah. I was doing

that this time when she said, go get them tiger.

It's like she said the line. Yes. Go get them

tiger. Even though I know she has always said

that line in this movie. Again, I have not seen

this movie since 2009. So going into it fresh,

man, it was so fun. I really enjoyed it. Yeah,

me too. I didn't have as many negatives like

there was no Green Goblin mask thing or there

was the CGI I believe got a little better. Yeah,

definitely 2002 to 2004. So I think that improved

but with Doc Ock literally Those arms are pulled

off the comic book page. Those arms are pulled

out of the cartoon They look different from one

what they were in the 94 animated series But

for this film and the way that the arms interacted

with him, they were amazing that effect though

that build and how it connected to him and all

of that, you know, you have the inhibitor chip

and then obviously it gets destroyed and they

kind of take over and, you know, make, oh, the

bank scene. When he goes to rob the bank, when

Peter and Aunt May are trying, when Aunt May

is trying to get a loan and she can't get a loan

because she has no, no assets. Rosemary Harris,

man, she is an amazing actress in these movies.

I absolutely love her as Aunt May because in

the bank scene, you know, you see Ock flinging

bags of gold coins. Now I'm curious. I am speaking

to anyone listening to the sound of my voice,

anyone that works in a bank. Do the vaults actually

have gold coins? No. I don't think so either.

I understand. My wife used to work at a bank

and she was the vault teller. Okay. They didn't

know. They actually only had limited amounts

of money that was actually in the bank. Yeah.

It was near impossible to have any of that stuff.

Maybe it's possible in a New York bank, but I

think that they usually have to ship it in specifically

if it's asked for. Right. And I think it's just

for this, it's just for the movie. I get it.

It's for the scene where Doc Ock can throw bags

of gold at Spider -Man and Spider -Man can dodge

them and he can, you know, catch one and throw

it back. Here's your change. You know, do that

line and all that. But the reason why I'm even

bringing this up is Aunt May because one of the

coins kind of like. down the little alleyway

there to where Aunt May and the bank guy is and

he goes to pick it up, she swats his hand, shame

on you. Rosemary Harris's Aunt May was amazing.

Just so good. When was the last time you saw

this one? Same time I rewatched everything. Okay.

Which was about a month and a half. Okay. I watched

it right before No Way Home, but then I watched

the Raimi trilogy again after, just for fun.

I had a better appreciation for this movie after

watching No Way Home, so the Doc Ock stuff and

everything else resonated with me better. I don't

know if it was because I was younger and I didn't

want as much. Thought I guess put into it. Yeah,

or or what it was, but it didn't resonate the

same with me Now as it did back then and back

then I just I didn't care for it now I was like,

okay, that's kind of neat Do you have a favorite

special effect from the second film the train

stopping Oh yes, the train scene. How can we

not talk about that? Is he alive? He's just a

kid. No older than my son. It's alright. We found

something. We won't tell nobody. It's good to

have you back, Spider -Man. That was a beautiful

scene. Yes. Yes, it was. I believe, if I'm not

mistaken, I believe Phil Lamar is in that scene

as one of the background people. I could swear

he is. I think I saw that recently. I agree with

you. that effect of, of the web shooters and,

and webbing up the buildings and trying to hold

on and stop the train. And I love how Peter is

on the train and he's trying to stop it. And

then he decides to put his foot down and that

doesn't work. And he comes back up and the conductor

is like, you got any other ideas? Yeah, I got

a few. And that's when he starts doing the whole

web, web, web, web for the building. And. And

then he's about to fall off, and then this townspeople

save him. Yep. And they carry him over, they

lay him down, and the first guy says, he's just

a kid, no older than my son. And he wakes up,

he sits up, and he's touching his face, and he's

like, uh -oh. And everyone's like... Don't worry.

We're not going to tell anybody. And the two

kids, oh, this killed me. I absolutely love this

moment because that's what comics and whatever

is for is for, you know, kids and to have moments

like this where, you know, we found something

and they gave him the mask back and, you know,

we, we won't tell anybody, Mr. Spider -Man. And

it was just a sign of. Full -on respect and caring

from the people to the hero something that he

never really gets he doesn't really get the Attention

or some people like him most people don't whatever

kind of thing within the context of his stories

I'm not saying that people I Mean there could

be some people in the real world that aren't

a fan of spider -man. That's fine, but I'm saying

within the context of the film There, you know,

you you even see several interviews with oh spider

-man He's a menace like JJ or oh this or oh that

no, I'm I really like spider -man He saved me

once so you have this whole half and half kind

of thing and these people Were so because he

saved them essentially. I mean, you know the

train Didn't go off the end of the line there.

It almost did but it eventually stopped Pacing

of this one, again, I feel this movie is just

right. There's no slow moments. There's no moments

where it's like, oh, time to go to the bathroom,

or this is a bathroom break scene or whatever

kind of thing. How did you feel about the pacing

on this one? This one, I didn't feel that. Okay.

Yeah, we'll get to that other film in a minute.

Overall, I enjoyed it. It wasn't too bad as far

as pacing. Again, I enjoyed it better on my recent

rewatch this year. I have no idea what I said

on the MWIRE episode. I didn't even listen to

it. Yeah, I'll listen to it afterwards. I have

no idea what I said back then. fresh thoughts

going back into it. I enjoyed it for what it

is. I didn't feel like I had to fast forward

anything. It hit the notes differently this time

around, and I enjoyed it for what it was. Yeah,

absolutely. Are we itching to watch the next

film now? Are you talking about before or after

I watched it? The third one. Well, I mean, yeah.

I mean, after you watched it. After you watched

the second one, are you itching to watch the

third one? Yeah. I mean, even though I know what

the third one did, you know what you did. Oh,

my folks. Yeah, yeah. Oh, boy, folks, there's

going to be a severely cracked dividing line

between the two of us when we talk about this

third movie. But we already know you have poor

taste because you like Batman and Robin and Batman

Forever. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, watch it. Batman

Forever is an exception, damn it. Well, you also

like Scrappy Doo, so. Hey, knock it off. He was

the bad guy and they did kill him, so. He was

not the bad guy. Anyways, in the live action

stuff. That doesn't count. It does. No, it doesn't.

Overall, GCR and Universal Rating System grading

scales, 0 to 5. What would you give this one?

Probably a 4 .5. Yeah, I'm right there at a 4.

There were a couple of doc -oc things that I

wasn't that thrilled with, but it wasn't so bad

that I was going to do a severely... downgrading

grade of this movie, because overall, this movie

is spectacular. So we are going to take a quick

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ask MJ to marry me. A man has to put his wife

before himself. Can you do that, Peter? Yeah.

I think I can. We have some new information.

This is your uncle's actual killer. We lost his

trail two days ago. This man killed my uncle,

and he's still out there! Everybody needs help

sometimes, Peter. Even Spider -Man. Revenge is

like a poison. It can take us over. And before

you know it, it can turn you into something ugly.

The suit. Where'd this come from? The power.

It feels good. You'll lose yourself to it. Whoa.

Spidey. Love the new outfit. Remember Ben Parker?

What does it matter to you anyway? Everything!

Do you wanna push me away? Why would I wanna

push you away? I love you. You knew this was

coming, Pete. I didn't kill your father! things

to each other. We have to forgive each other

or everything we ever were will mean nothing.

I need your help. I have to stop it. This could

be the end of Spider -Man. All right, folks,

we are back and we're going to wrap up this episode

of Studio 2009 by talking about 2007's Spider

-Man 3. I do remember seeing this in theaters.

However, I don't remember anything. I don't remember

me, you know, coming out of the theater fist

pumped in the air or anything like that. I just

don't remember. I don't remember what I said

13 years ago on the MWIRE episode, which I will

link in the show notes if anyone wants to listen

to that old episode. However, Spider -Man 3 picks

up a year after the events of the second film.

Peter is still with Mary Jane, while Harry succeeds

his father as the new Green Goblin, credited

as New Goblin. In this movie, we have the story

of... Flint Marco, aka Sandman, and Edward Brock

Jr., sir, as Venom. Now, I have to talk about

this briefly first. I have to talk about these

two actors, Thomas Hayden Church and Topher Grace.

Did you ever see the comedy series Wings with

Andrew Weber and Tim Daly? Vaguely. I didn't,

that was not a show I cared to watch. Okay. So

basically it's a comedy show from NBC. It ran,

I believe started, it was, it was, it was like

one of those full house things where it started

in the eighties and went into the nineties. I

think, I don't know. I'm not looking at it, but

in Wings Thomas Hayden Church plays the mechanic

Lowell for Tim Daly's Joe Hackett's character.

who has the sandpiper air so he's basically the

airline mechanic now with thomas hayden church

that's the only thing between this and that it's

the only thing i know him from so when casting

when the casting news came out for spider -man

3 i'm like hey it's lowell from wings and everybody

just kind of looks at me cock -eyed like uh who

Well, Topher Grace was on That 70s Show. That

70s Show. He was Eric on That 70s Show. I'm sorry,

Eric as a villain. He was the worst part of this

film. It was just bad casting. For Thomas Hayden

Church. He, like I said, basically, he did one

episode of 21 Jump Street in 1989. He was one

of those actors that started out doing episode

here, episode there of shows. And then from 1990

to 1995, he was Lowell Mather in Wings for 123

episodes. He was also on Ned and Stacey and a

bunch of other things as well with Topher, like

you said. That 70s show and I Watching this again,

and I know everyone says this is a low light

but watching this again and watching once the

venom symbiote takes him over I actually like

him in the venom symbiote this time around The

first time I was like, maybe one scene at the

end when he was doing stuff. But overall, I wasn't

that impressed the first time back in 2007, 2010,

whenever we did, or 2009, I should say, whenever

we did the other episode. But this time around,

I was really impressed with what he did with

Eddie because it - Sort of reminded me of the

animated series one. It's kind of the same thing

where he you know In the animated series, he's

like spider -man made me sick made me lose my

girl made me lose my apartment Like so when I

look when I watched this this time I was like

hmm Yeah, I I don't like his Eddie without venom

attached to it With the venom symbiote attached

to it, I really really dug it this time around.

And I mean, he's been in some major stuff. I

mean, he, you know, obviously, like we said,

that 70s show from 98 to 2006. Films he's done.

He was in Playing It Cool with another superhero,

because Playing It Cool stars Chris Evans. He

debuted in Traffic in 2000, and then he was in

Ocean's Eleven as himself in an uncredited cameo

in 2001. I would say Spider -Man 3 is probably

his kind of breakout for film anyway, besides

the TV show. After that, I don't know any of

these films that he's done. I think the only

one I recognize is Black Klansman. He played

David Duke in that, but the rest I don't. So

you still don't like Eddie slash Venom in this?

No. How did you feel about Flint Marco slash

Sandman in this this time around? I mean, I was

indifferent on him just because I didn't really

see him as a major threat. Uh -huh. And they

actually took him a step higher in the new Spider

-Man movie. Mm -hmm. So it was nice seeing him

come back, nice seeing Doc Ock come back, and

nice seeing Goblin come back. But it was kind

of funny because they picked one villain from

each film. And then they picked only one villain,

because he had multiples in the various Amazing

Spider -Man movies. They picked the one major

threat. Electro. Yeah. Never mind. He had like

Vulture and he had Goblin and he had the lizard.

Right. Yeah. I mean, I understand why people

don't like Spider -Man 3. When I watched it this

time, again, like the other two films, I felt

like I was going in fresh with this. I felt like...

It was a whole new movie to me again, and I liked

pretty much almost everything. What I really

liked and appreciated is, again, how the Venom

symbiote looks, specifically when it's moving

towards Peter. That whole scene where he's lying

in bed and it... crawls up the bed, and I like

the way that looks, and then it grabs his face,

and he opens his eye, and the next thing you

know, he's on this building. How did I get here?

What is this suit? Ooh, the power. I like it.

And the one thing I noticed this time around

with these actors and these characters, between

Tobey Maguire and Topher Grace, What I noticed

was the characteristics of Peter Parker and the

characteristics of Eddie Brock. Eddie feels like

everyone's crapping all over him. Eddie feels

like he has no luck. Eddie feels like he can't

catch a break. And obviously Eddie did a very

wrong thing. He doctored the photo. and all of

that and Peter tattled on him if you want to,

you know, go the whole schoolyard route with

that. But the thing is, with Peter wearing the

the Venom suit and with Eddie wearing the Venom

suit, when Peter is wearing it as black suited

Spider -Man, he's a little darker than he normally

is, but he doesn't go so far that The venom,

the actual venom part of the symbiote comes out

of Peter. And with Peter, you know, it makes

him more cocky than he already is at times. And

the one, there's one scene in this that I'm like,

oh, two, two scenes in this room. Like, okay,

I can fast forward this or I can pause this and

take a bathroom break. And it's the scene where

he's doing the dancing and doing the role and

doing the cha -cha -cha. And then - Yeah, I did

fast forward that. When they're in the jazz club,

oh God. When they're in the jazz, like those

two scenes are the only things I don't like about

this film because I don't like seeing Peter Barker

that way. And that's why I, over the years, I'm

like, eh, Toby McGuire, eh, whatever, you know,

kind of thing. And other than that though, looking

at how the venom suit affected Peter and looking

at how it affected Brock and Peter got it off

of him by the sonics by the bell and whatever.

That's a classic scene of how he gets it off

and it drips onto to Eddie and Eddie just fully

takes it over and we are venom and all this and

all that. Whereas Peter doesn't want to save

the suit at the end, Peter actually throws a

pumpkin bomb at it. And Eddie's like, no, and

obviously it destroys the suit, the symbiote

and himself. So I don't know what universe, the

only universe I can see them bringing venom back

into the MCU is if they use the Flash Thompson

version anti -venom, if they use that. But I

don't think Eddie Brock can come back if they're

going to be connecting the universes now because

he blowed up real good. Well, they also in the

end of Homecoming, or not Homecoming, No Way

Home, had Venom. Yeah, they had the Tom Hardy

Venom, and that's fine. They left part of the

symbiote. They came back to his own world, but

part of the symbiote was left behind. Right,

yeah. Like we said, we'll get to that when we

do the Holland films later this summer. Uh, is

there anything else you would like to say about

Spider -Man 3? Don't think so. What would you

rate it zero to five? I'll probably give it a...

I'll probably give it a four. I'm gonna give

it a three and a half. I'm being very generous.

I feel I'm being very generous at three and a

half, as much as I like all of the Spider -Man,

Venom, Sandman things. At three and a half, I

can take off those points for those Peter Parker

scenes, and that's really all the reason why

I'm only giving it a three and a half. Well,

I only hate the emo Peter. Yeah, that's what

I'm talking about. And the other thing is we

didn't really talk about this, but the whole

Flint Marco Sandman thing. It didn't choose to

be this. The only thing left to me now is my

daughter. That's a guy just trying to help his

daughter. I mean, yeah, he goes out and does

some bad things, but he's doing it for a good

reason. And obviously he got caught. You know,

he was a criminal and they tied this up in this.

So thankfully, and I didn't want to not mention

this, I almost forgot about it. Apparently, somehow

he was the partner of the guy that Peter let

go in the first film. And he was the one that

wanted to steal Uncle Ben's car. And he's the

one where that shot Uncle Ben. So I like how

they kind of did that sort of, but you still

see his sort of redeeming qualities a little

bit. Like he's not just. He's a victim of psychomstance,

I guess you could say. I don't know. Almost.

Three and a half and a four from us. We're going

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return in a fourth film. So hey, you know, we

may get it. I'm actually hoping we get some new

Spider -Man movies with the old cast. The other

thing I want to mention before we kind of close

this episode out is And I don't want to harp

on this but this is one of my things where it's

like hmm Toby Maguire Looks so old to be Peter

Parker in the first film in high school. I know

I know they usually cast 20 -something actors

to play younger and everything else, but In that

first film, he does not look like an 18 -year

-old senior in high school. He looks like a 25

-year -old senior in high school who's been left

back. And that would be kind of sad considering

he's a super genius, or he's supposed to be.

Yeah, but Flash Thompson looks older too, so.

True. God, he's 46. Wow, he's five years older

than me. Wow. He's 46 years old now, so when

he made this, 26? I don't know. I just have this

thing in certain movies. If the actors, if I

don't feel like they look like they should be

in high school, then they shouldn't be in high

school again. Like you said about having May

go younger and having Peter Parker go younger

in future movies, you know. It is what it is.

Any other final thoughts that you would like

to impart on the audience, sir? No. Awesome,

awesome. So this is the summer of Spider -Man,

folks. We will be doing the web slash Garfield

films next. I don't know when that will be. It'll

be... Some it'll be released sometime early June.

So this is released May 2nd. This the second

episode probably be June 7th, maybe I don't know

yet, but we've got other things coming here at

Studio 2009. My buddy Ryan and I are doing the

20th anniversary of The Shield. So I think that

episode is actually next. And after that, I don't

know what Steve and I are gonna do. We'll do

something. I've got some Ryan Reynolds things

up my sleeve. Exactly. Anything you want to promote

or talk about or tell the people that you're

working on? Not really. I'm just always working

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