Streaming Services: Costs, Choices, and Going Ad-Free

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Hello and welcome back to our studio. You are

now inside Studio 2009. I'm, of course, TF2 and

Mike. Joining me, as always, Steve Megatron.

Hello. Hello, hello. And tonight, we're doing

something a little different. I actually had

this plan now that I thought about it. We had

done the pre -episode 17 and 18 were 25 years

of whatever film we did. We did Space Jam and

we did Happy Gilmore. I was going to do a triple

shot of that and have us talk about Another film

from 1996, but we're gonna push that off for

now for later because tonight It's all about

how we cross the streams. That's right. We're

talking about streaming services and as always

this fits into our Talking about things that

are in the audio slash visual realm This doesn't

just go to video though. I mean with Apple music

and Spotify and whatever other music podcast

things people use these days. I use Spotify personally,

but you know, Netflix and Hulu and funny story

folks. What'd you say, Steve? It's been about

10 years. 10 years of since we got death threats

about our streaming service preference. I had

a feeling that's where you're going with that.

Well, I mean, this is a new podcast. We're bringing

in new listeners. We've got to hook them somehow.

The fact that the GeekCast radio network got

death threats about a decade ago because we prefer

Netflix over Hulu or whatever. Couldn't be farther

from the truth. Yeah, no. And even back then,

I remember this. Even back then, Hulu was...

I don't want to say it was new because I'm not

looking at any information as to when Hulu became

a thing, but... I had Netflix for a while at

that point and at the time Netflix had a lot

of stuff. They still have a lot of stuff but

it's changed over the over the last decade and

we'll talk about that as we go further. But at

the time they had everything I wanted to watch

whether it was old shows whether it was new shows

whether it was whatever. And I only wanted to

pay for what I've always wanted is one streaming

service that has all the shows that I want to

watch. and sadly that just isn't the case but

at least back then Netflix had I would say at

the time in 2011 95 % of the shows that I wanted

to watch ad -free and Hulu was a new thing or

Hulu was whatever and it was just starting and

it was you know a Netflix rival and whatever

and I'm like I'll check it out at some point

But yeah, no, we literally got death threats

over streaming services. The stupidest thing

to send a death threat over. Pretty much. One

of, but pretty much, yeah. All right, so where

are we gonna start with this? Let's start with,

what? Okay, now I know the streaming services

are on TVs, they're on phones, they're on tablets.

Generally, when you are using a streaming service,

no matter which one it is, are you watching it

on your television or your phone or whatever

other device you may have? I watch on my smart

TV, but I also watch on my phone. So like, for

instance, when I donate plasma for extra funds,

I download my shows. Mm -hmm. So that I can watch

them later. Mm -hmm. And it's very convenient.

Mm -hmm. Yep. Yeah, for me, I don't do the download

thing. I just do the streaming thing, because

most of the time I'm at home. I'm a person that

was born with a mild case of cerebral palsy.

I was actually born with brain damage because

of all of that and everything else. That's a

long drawn out story. No one needs to hear right

now. I'll save that one for later. But basically

because of the cerebral palsy and because of

my brain damage driving for me mentally, not

necessarily physically, because I'm sure there's

some company out there that I could go to and

say, hi, I am a disabled person that I would

love to be able to learn how to drive. My problem

is, because I'm left handed, I need to be, and

this is so ass backwards, I know, I need to basically

be in a Euro car. I need to be a right side driver

kind of thing because that left side just doesn't

do it for me and whatever, but the point is,

I stay home a lot. I don't go anywhere. I don't

do anything kind of thing. And yeah, so for me,

I'm always streaming the stuff. I don't really

download the stuff. I use other... And we're

not just going to talk about Netflix and Hulu,

folks. There's so many streaming services out

there that we'll be mentioning at some point

or another, just for reference, because I mentioned

this to you off here. The good thing about this

topic... I can be sitting here on my phone looking

up research or going through the streaming apps

as we're talking about them. And no mouse clicks,

folks. So you, unless I have to mute or unless

we're about to end the episode, you should not

hear any mouse clicks from me in this episode.

For the record, Hulu was launched October 29th,

2007. So there you go. What is your preferred

Well, how many streaming services do you use

and what is your most preferred one that you

use? Well, I use a plethora of them. I have access

to Hulu, to Netflix, to PureFlix, to Amazon Prime,

to Disney Plus, to Tubi .tv and Peacock. Out

of all of them, I use Netflix, Hulu, and Disney

Plus the most. Cool, cool. Again, for the record,

for information, I can't believe it was founded.

It doesn't say it was launched, but it was founded.

Netflix was founded August 29, 1997. Holy crap.

Oh, I know why that is. Because Netflix, before

they were streaming, they had the DVD service.

Did you ever use that? Yeah, that's actually

where we signed up. As soon as they went ad -free,

and ad -free is going to be a huge thing in this

episode, folks, even though I'm sure at some

point you're going to hear an ad or two in here

from our lovely sponsors over at Spreaker. They

have us put ads in these things, depending on

the length. But for me, I want to say, when did

I get Netflix? When did we start doing that?

I mean, I guess I could look at it, but it's

one of those things where I remember having Netflix

for the longest time now. I've only ever canceled

it for maybe one or two times. I want to say

I've had Netflix since about 2010. I think right

around 2014 or 2015 is when I Jumped on the Hulu

bandwagon because Hulu had some stuff that Netflix

didn't have that I wanted to watch and then I

Yeah, and then the nice thing about Hulu is if

you don't want to sit through commercials or

waste space on a DVR if you even have a DVR because

for me personally Like I said, I'm all about

what Hulu does now and they've been doing this

for years the next day airing so like Last man

standing. I know that's a show you used to like

If it airs on ABC, let's say tonight, the Hulu

version of it will be up tomorrow morning. We're

recording this on a Monday, folks, so Tuesday

morning. And as long as you have an ad -free

plan from Hulu, you can watch it ad -free. And

I am all about that ad -free stuff right now.

Yeah, I love ad -free. It's funny because my

kids saw a couple shows on TB .TV and they flipped.

What are these things that we have to watch?

Oh, those are called commercials, kids. Things

that your parents had to deal with when we wanted

to watch a television program. And they just

can't fathom it. They're like, well, when does

it come back? And then they figured out that

TB has that convenient thing that shows you how

long your commercial break is. Yeah, two ads,

three ads. It's only four ads. And I'm like,

yeah, when we were kids, we didn't know how long

we had. No. I mean, it could be four, five. It

could be torture. We could time it as kids. Like,

we could time it out in the 80s and 90s to figure

out how long the break was going to be. But then

at times, some commercials are longer than others.

They're not just always one minute or 30 second

spots. Sometimes they're two minutes and 14 seconds.

Sometimes they're this, sometimes they're that.

If you'd asked me 30 years ago what the audio

and visual landscape of movies and television

and music would be in 2021, I would have said

I have no idea. I know right now that I would

love to bring this technology back to the 80s

and relive my childhood all over again with ad

-free television. Now, that's not to say I don't

enjoy or like some commercials. It just depends

on the commercial. However, most of the commercials

I've watched over my lifetime, may the man rest

in peace, but Alex Trebek and the Colonial Pen

ads, pretty much any insurance ad, any insurance

ad. Doesn't matter if it's State Farm or Geico

or whatever. Then you get into the whole thing

of turning advertising into television with paid

programming and you have an hour -long Ronco

special on his set it, forget it rotisserie.

Oh, I remember that crap. Yep, yep, yep. And

don't get me wrong, I absolutely respect where

we've come from. But at this point in my life,

I want to control everything I possibly can control

with my entertainment. And I live on a limited

budget, and I only subscribe to so many things.

Like right now, like I don't know if I said already,

but right now I have Netflix, Hulu, Disney Plus,

Discovery Plus, and I think Amazon Prime. But

I have Amazon Prime because it's Amazon Prime.

Prime Video's included in that, but it's more

for getting free two -day shipping than anything

else. I have watched things on Amazon Prime,

and I enjoy it, but it's not my go -to service.

Yeah, I mean, I've watched things on there, too.

But for the most part, I don't care. They don't

have enough on there. And honestly, most of their

stuff, they charge you an arm and a leg for,

they're like, oh, we have it on Amazon Prime,

pay X amount of dollars. And it's like, no, I

can watch that for free on Hulu or any other

number of services. Yep. Yeah. And that's the

interesting thing, and I only bring this up because

this is something you actually pointed out to

me, but there's an app called MAI Movie, so my

movie, that will tell you if a show is on a streaming

service or not, whether it's ones that are subscription

-based. If you have a subscription, usually it

takes you directly to whatever your subscription

is that it's on kind of thing. And surprisingly,

half the stuff I've looked up on that service

in the past six months, you either have to go

through Voodoo or Amazon Prime Video to actually

purchase it versus it actually being streaming,

which kind of sucks. Yeah, I think if you were

to, I don't know what your phone does, but my

phone, I have it set to show me weekly recaps

of my usage of my screen time. Oh, I don't care.

Okay, well, I know I'm sure you don't care, and

I don't really care either. It's just something

that when I got the phone, I just, okay, sure,

fine. Whoops. Ten hours a week? No, it's more

like I'm on my phone ten hours a day, folks.

So yeah, that is about to be a misconception.

Coming up here inside Studio 2009, I meant to

say 10 hours a day on average for usage of my

phone, not 10 hours a week. I generally am on

my phone 10 hours a week on average. Most every

time this thing pops up, it tells me you've been

on your phone 10 hours a week in total. technical

difficulties let's move on shall we the funny

thing is it'll show like the top three apps of

what I've used and how many hours I've used them

Hulu is usually anywhere from 15 to over 24 hours

within the entire week and I use Hulu a lot I

love their their their mobile app I love how

they have things laid out I love how easy it

is And I know everyone's like, oh, we should

be early adopters to technology. And sometimes

I agree with that. With Hulu in the beginning,

I did not agree with it because of what their

model was way back when they started. But now

that they've kind of found their groove, I absolutely

love it. Like if Karen didn't rely on cable television,

I would have nothing with streaming apps. Yeah,

I mean we don't have cable because Honestly,

we don't watch that. I mean I watch more television

than anyone in my house but Okay But like for

the most part like Mary's got her set shows I've

got you know a multitude of shows But you know

we we're able to watch majority of what we want

on streaming so There's really no reason for

cable for us, but right Yeah, and it would be

the same for me, but my and this is a long story

folks I just have to work this way in case the

government is listening and my ex -wife just

loves having the DVR the TV and the stuff so

It is what it is She pays for that and I pay

for my stuff and it's fine. Yeah, so streaming

services I know everyone is gonna be like Oh

Disney the evil mouse the evil corporate. Look,

they're all evil corporations Disney owns Hulu

Disney owns ABC Warners owns whatever they own.

This is Kevin Conway and I am the goddamn Batman.

I do miss the DC Universe streaming app for some

of their video content because while I love HBO

Max, that's something I cannot, okay, we'll talk

about price here, but it's something I just can't

justify with the other ones I'm already paying

for, 15 bucks a month for ad -free HBO Max. And

I know that people will say, oh, but you can

get a cheaper package with it. The whole point

of me paying for a streaming service Is to get

ad free. It's not to pay and still have to do

if If I wanted that I would go into the other

room and watch TV on the cable that that she

pays for like, you know Anyway, I remember when

YouTube tried to get into the the streaming thing

and they still are trying but I Don't know I

there's just some streaming services I look at

and I'm like, yeah, I don't need that Yeah, I

I don't participate in any of the other ones

I pretty much just do the ones I've listed and

that's because I don't have time to really Right

and plus if if I have to do the and I know I

used to talk about a la carte one time Yeah,

that's just stupid We've got a la carte now and

unfortunately, we're all screwed because it costs

so much. It does. It's ridiculous. I mean, it's

funny that all of the streaming services, any

of them, it doesn't matter which one you want

to name off, they all cost a certain price. And

again, my biggest thing is ad free. So let's

say ad free is $9 .99 a month or $11 .99 a month.

Let's just go with $9 .99 because that's just

easiest. Okay, so if I'm paying $9 .99 a month

for Netflix, Hulu, Discovery +, Disney +, that's

already $40 plus tax, whatever the tax is. So

it's essentially like having a cable package

now, even though it is a la carte and you can

choose your things and I think that's great,

but I'm wondering when the the the cable companies

are gonna get with it and and realize that hey

we We're in trouble here. I Don't know if they're

in trouble or not. I'm just you know Spitballing

it. Yeah, I'm just spitballing and I have no

idea I have not done research into in the Comcast

or Cox or One of the other ones Spectrum You

know, I have not done any research on those and

that's not what we're here for is the research

We're just here to talk about how we love crossing

our streaming services. I usually marathon stuff

now Okay, like I mentioned earlier about about

Hulu and their next day airing So like our perfect

example is the voice is on right now or it's

about to be on or whatever the voice I won't

actually watch tonight's episode until it hits

ad -free Hulu tomorrow morning. I'm fine waiting

a day. I'm not that high on Disney Plus in their

weekly airings. I get it. They want to be competitive

with weekly content, but Netflix and Hulu before

they went before Hulu went to like the live stuff

and everything else They kind of spoiled me with

saying like especially Netflix Netflix used to

be like and they still are like this sometimes

Here's all of season one of insert show name

here. Watch it all right now Cool. That means

I can go to it whenever I want at whatever time

I want when it's convenient for me Whereas over

on Disney Plus and I'm sure other services do

this as well I have to wait a week for the next

abysmal episode of Mighty Ducks the Game Changers.

I actually don't mind that series, but that's

beside the point. We'll talk about that off air

because that's a whole other discussion for another

day. But no, I mean, CBSL Access, they do the

same thing. Which is now Paramount Plus. Yeah.

Yeah. New packaging, same product, losers. But

at least with Paramount Plus, I can watch ad

-free versions of the new version of the Equalizer

series starring Queen Latifah, or I can watch

ad -free versions of the 2003 Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles cartoon, which I absolutely love.

So again, You know, it is what it is, I guess

What other parts of the streaming landscape do

we want to talk about do you use any music streaming

stuff or are you just not into? Not really. I

mean I pretty much anything I listen to it's

I've already got it. Mm -hmm. So I'm old I don't

I don't care about any of the new stuff and For

the most part, I don't care to download or to

stream. I just, whatever I want, it's already

on my phone. See, I'm, I'm the opposite when

it comes to certain things like that. Like I

prefer, like, okay, I've built up this. I had

to, I built it up in iTunes years ago, but I

had to build it up again. Once I joined Spotify,

I have this playlist. It is called library faves.

It is a playlist of over a thousand songs. I've

had this playlist going since I first got iTunes

back in 2006. And yes, folks, iTunes still is

a thing, even though they say Apple Music and

Apple Podcasts and Apple TV, on Windows PCs,

iTunes is still a thing. And for me, it was like,

oh, I have to buy all of these songs. I can't

tell you since 2006, up until I got Spotify a

couple of years ago, I cannot tell you how much

money I sunk into iTunes purchasing music for

$1 .29 plus tax download. And that's just for

a single song, like albums, 9 .99, 11 .99, whatever

it is. From 2006 to, I want to say, about 20...

When did I get Spotify? Because we changed how

we used Spotify recently in the last couple years.

I think I first got Spotify somewhere around

2015, 2016, something like that. I love it. The

music is just there. There's a lot of things

that Spotify doesn't have, but almost everything

I had on my faves playlist from 2006 onward is

on Spotify, and it is in my library faves playlist

on Spotify. So it's just so much easier for me

to do it that way. Yeah, this thing. Hey, it's

86 hours and 44 minutes long Wow, and I don't

listen to it all of the time Obviously, but it's

like it's that playlist where I have everything

sorted alphabetically by artist and Half of the

time I just hit shuffle play and whatever comes

up comes up. I actually have an album on my Facebook

page on my personal Facebook page called tunes

where I Screenshot either the actual Music of

what I'm listening to right then or the this

is what I'm listening to now, but here's what's

coming up next kind of thing and Yeah, I have

like over 100 pictures of that kind of stuff

on on my Facebook But yeah, and it's just it's

just choice. It's just easy. It's one fee. It's

whatever whatever Spotify premium is for For

quote -unquote families because Karen and I have

the family plan thing I want to say it's something

like $16 and 34 cents a month. I think You know

and that's for two people. So that's cool. That's

good. That's a good price for two people to have

Unlimited, you know, no ads. I know Spotify has

has an ad plan or some sort of free plan owner

I don't ever want to go down that route Never

never never yeah for me. Well like I said choice

It's all about having the choices to like I'm

in the middle of Star Wars the Clone Wars season

5 right now on Disney Plus I'm watching I Was

watching Falcon and Winter Soldier on Disney

Plus. I'm watching Various older show like I'm

going through a long order SVU marathon on Hulu

I'm about to check out. Oh, what is it called?

Jupiter's ending, Jupiter's landing, whatever

that new series is on Netflix. I'm about to check

that out here soon. Jupiter's Legacy, that's

what it is. Sorry about that, Jupiter's Legacy.

I just wanted to make sure I had it right. Yeah,

Jupiter's Legacy, new series on Netflix. It's

eight episodes. And for those who are interested

about this, they are the first generation of

superheroes, but as they pass the torch, to their

children. Tensions are rising and the old rules

no longer apply. Kind of reminds me of No Ordinary

Family. Yeah, I didn't really. I mean, I watched

that. I just yeah, it didn't last long. It lasted

one season and I don't even remember watching

it. The only reason why I wanted to watch it

was Michael Chiklis. Yep. Good old Vic Mackie

from The Shield. And that's interesting, how

many shows have come out that are either superhero

or mutant based? We're kinda gonna say this is

this, but it really isn't this. I remember back

in the day Mutant X with John Shay more recently,

The Gifted on Fox. I come into series late sometimes

when I'm watching TV, whether it's on the streaming

services or in other ways. I find myself because

I'm so in the realm of wanting to binge things

that I just wait until it's all available. I

get it. On average, how much streaming would

you say you do in a week? More than I care to

admit. And the other thing for me is, and I guess

it's mostly my age, at least the last two or

three years, because as I said at the beginning

of this, I'm 41 at this point. For me, and I

found this years ago now, it was 2008, 2009,

I think. True Crime TV has always been there.

America's Most Wanted, Unsolved Mysteries, you

know, all that kind of stuff. It's always been

there. But 2008, Discovery, I believe it was

in 2008, Discovery launched the Investigation

Discovery Network. And I just went... you know

full hog all in like ooh, what's this and I have

been watching so many true crime shows since

then and now with Discovery Plus I can watch

them all ad -free and Half of the time now because

I've seen almost like there isn't an episode

of forensic files that you could Show me that

I wouldn't know within like a minute and a half

what case it is Karen and I are like, you know,

because for now, because I've seen all of these

episodes and all of these cases, I use that to

help me get to sleep at night. Now, I know that

sounds crazy, folks, that I use a show about

somebody getting killed to help me get to sleep.

It isn't about that. What it is about is whomever

the narrator is, like Peter Thomas, everybody

knows who. Peter, you would know him by his voice

and maybe I'll throw a clip of him in here somewhere.

At the Dallas Pistol and Revolver Club in 1991,

Trey Cooley, a young spectator, was watching

a shooting competition seated behind an air gun

range. He was struck and killed by a stray bullet.

This is how ballistics, lasers, and forensic

animation solved the riddle. of the magic bullet

but he has this voice that even though he's giving

information about this girl or guy or whomever

got murdered Peter Thomas he has a voice that

is nice and soothing and interesting the only

problem I have with forensic files is I don't

know if it's the way they are or it's the way

that the channel that either own the network

or whatever that owns them Every time they are

on a streaming service, no matter which one it

is, the volume is always off. It's always bad.

Like Peter's voice will sound just like this.

And then when it switches from him narrating

the episode to actually having like a reenactment

part of the episode or something, the little

voice will talk like this. and you can barely

hear it even though your volume is at the highest

volume it can go it's just it's just ridiculous

just absolutely ridiculous uh investigation discovery

launched october 1996 and i found them in 2008

so at least i know that my information is somewhat

factually correct It's funny because part of

my true crime watching and I don't know how much

true crime TV you watch if you watch any of that

stuff at all I don't think you do, but I'm not

really. Okay. Well, it's interesting because

You ever wonder Well, if you can afford the butler

sure It's usually the husband or the kids or

the whatever and that's the interesting thing

about about some of the some of the some of the

ID stuff that they do and some of the other net

like HLN. HLN, folks, if you don't know, it used

to stand for headline news. It was a subsidy

of CNN. It was another version of CNN news kind

of thing. And for a while now, number of years,

they've been going towards this true crime thing.

And that's where most of the Forensic Files episodes

are. If you want to actually see it on television.

and they have, you know, how it happened with

Hill Harper and they have this, this Oxygen,

the Oxygen network has snapped, which is basically

it's about people who snap kind of thing and

go off and kill somebody. But my point in bringing

this up and asking you if you watch any of this

stuff, something I suggest to you, and since

you do have access to Hulu, you could do this

if you'd want to, but it's up to you. Homicide

Hunter with Joe Kenda. I love that show. I love

that man. I wish at some point I could get him

on here for an interview. It would most likely

just be me just geeking out over this guy. He

was a police officer, detective, and former lieutenant

in the Colorado Springs Police Department from

1973 to 1996. And I'm like, ooh. Every time I

watch one of his episodes, I'm like, hmm. I wonder

how far Pueblo is from Loveland. A couple hours,

I think. Yeah, I know. Yeah. But it's just one

of those things where I'm like, oh, this is really,

really cool. All right. Let's ask the audience.

What is your go -to streaming service and why?

Do you prefer one over the other? Do you have

a multitude of ones like we do? Let us know in

the comments. Is there anything else we want

to bring up about streaming? I mean, I kind of

talked about price, but you didn't I mean you

did a little bit, but if you want to jump on

I mean price I think that we're getting to the

point where we're basically paying for cable

again. Sure Hey, but at least most of its ad

free That is true That's the that's the key thing.

Was there anything else you wanted to bring up

about streaming? I don't think so How many movies

do you watch on streaming? Do you go back and

watch movies you you love? Do you or do you just

go to your DVD collection still? DVD collection

I I actually have any of the movies I'd care

to frequent and then I mean sometimes it's easier

just to download them, but for the most part

I have everything on my My hard drive and then

I watch TV shows There you go I do know and I

for me it's more about like when I'm in the mood

to do it Recently Hulu added a couple of movies.

I'm like, ooh, I haven't seen that in a while

I'd like to watch that at some point, of course

by the time I get ready to watch it It goes in

it Well, it's either gone or it goes into their

expired pile like this expires Monday If you

don't watch this now, you can't you can't watch

it. But I just noticed that they added The Jackal

from 1997, Bruce Willis, Richard Gere. I love

that movie, even though it's twisted as all hell.

It's the second movie I saw Jack Black in because

the first one was Enemy of the State. And obviously

the 2010 -18 movie is kind of self -explanatory

for people who know that. Dude, where's my car?

Shrek 1 and 2. Mighty Ducks. But yeah, there's

a ton of stuff on there. Anyway. Yeah, there's

so much stuff. Oh paycheck Sorry folks. I'm just

kind of scrolling through my hulu movies at this

point I watch a lot of I don't watch a lot of

them but every now and then it hits me to watch

a lot of documentaries and I watched the one

on Framing John DeLorean. So the guy that made

the DeLorean That was interesting, but that was

a screwed up story that dude. Oh my god, so screwed

up They have the Batman and Bill documentary

on here, which at some point we will do for the

pull bag. Maybe. I don't know. I think I only

watched like the first few minutes of that at

the time. But yeah, I mean, they have Back in

Time, the Back to the Future documentary. I remember

when that was a Kickstarter. Anyway. Yep. So

as I said a second ago, for the audience, what

streaming services do you prefer? Do you have

a multitude of them? Do you only have one? Are

you cord cutters? Or are you cord people that

also have streaming services? Let us know in

the comments. On the website, you can check us

out on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, all that other

good stuff. Coming up next, since this is episode

19 and episode 20, is going to be our next podcast

approach, which we have to figure out which guest

we're getting for that. So next time around,

we're going to have a new podcast approach. The

last one you would have heard is Lady REC in

episode 15. And after that, we're going to talk

about the goodness of pizza and how that ties

into advertising, audio and visual because, yeah,

there was a conversation about a year ago on

Facebook that I have screen caps of that needs

to be discussed. We're even going to have a little

bit of a skit on all about it. So, join us next

time here inside Studio 2009. Where can the people

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