Michael Keaton Batman Speculation and Batman Beyond

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Batman No, I'm Batman you sound like Like the

bad 70s version of the Joker or something. I

know, right? Doesn't that just sound like craziness?

Where's your Froot Loops when you need them?

I lost them on the highway. That really hurt.

You got to have the high pitch laugh. Yeah, I

can't do that. Steve can do that. I can't do

that. Yeah, I I can channel the the Joker voice

at times For the laughter part, but I can I can

do Hamill's Joker That's what happens when you

play, you know, probably a hundred hours of Arkham

games Yeah, if you play you watch enough you

watch enough Batman AMS series play enough Arkham

games you start Adopting Hamill. Well, that's

the funny conroy, you know The more you watch

them and hear them the more you can pick out

their persona out of things and you can duplicate

it. Right. So you know what's interesting to

me is that past the Dark Knight Rises, I have

not seen a single Christian Bale film and I'm

proud of that fact because other than when he'll

be in Thor Love and Thunder supposedly in 2022

or maybe 2023 or whenever the hell they're going

to get back to that. I have not seen a single

one of his films. I want to see Ford versus Ferrari,

but he's excellent. And I want to see that. I

just have not seen. Okay. So I know this is an

off topic, but it's related to Batman because

he was Batman at one point out of the furnace

in 2013, American hustle in 2013. He's excellent.

And he's great in that hostiles. He's great in

that. Okay. The furnace. He's great in that.

Exodus, gods and kings, you can skip that. So

I figured vice. He's amazing. He I he is Dick

Cheney. It's creepy. How do you feel? Like I,

I look at it and like halfway through the movie,

you forget it's Christian Bale. You just think

it's Dick Cheney because it's it's perfect. Dick

Cheney. That's awesome. Because the guy is well,

she's not that American at all. Exactly. He's

a bloody chameleon. Yes, he is That's right.

All right, Steve. We're here to talk about Batman

Yes, we're here to talk about the Dark Knight

So yes, we'll be talking about the speculation

rumors that it has been flying like well bats

on social media and in doing so people have been

losing their mind over the possibility that Michael

Keaton may return to the role of Batman. Now

we want to make sure everybody listens to this

podcast the first under 10 minutes and we want

to say this period is all period speculation

exclamation point because apparently Yeah. Because

apparently we say stuff on this podcast that

people lose their stuff over. So, so we're not

reporting any facts. Michael Keaton has not accepted

the role until Michael Keaton or Warner Brothers

or AT &T or whoever. puts it out on social media

or until I see a trailer, I am not believing

that Michael Keaton would be in the potential

flash film if the flash film even happens. Yeah,

we've gone through enough people making that

movie until the flash film was in theaters. I

don't believe it's going to happen. Exactly.

Yeah, exactly. And the funny thing is, is I saw

this start posting up probably last week sometime.

the fact that Warner Brothers was in talks with

Michael Keaton, which in talks doesn't mean anything.

People act like it is something terrible, but

the fact of the matter is they've approached

him. That's about it. They contacted an agent,

somebody said something to an assistant or...

Exactly. maybe a studio head goes we'd like Michael

Keaton for the role and Nobody has denied it

from his camp and that through literally the

definition of in talks in talks is nothing But

but we're here to discuss is the speculation

of if it happens A lot of I've noticed a lot

of news sites are using clickbaity titles to

make it sound like he accepted the role and then

You read down in the very last sentence of whatever

that page happens to be. He's currently in talks.

There's been no There's been no concrete decision

by Michael Keaton or in Warner Brothers like

at this time Which to me is hilarious The other

funny thing is is like within the last couple

days I've seen Christian Bale's name floated

around is another possibility should Keaton not

take it if you know and this is again all speculation

because there's nothing out there that says any

of them are going to take this what's funny is

Affleck they didn't really give him much of a

turn at it but he's probably the one that looks

the closest to like at least as Bruce Wayne looks

the closest to like the DC animated universe

version with that kind of chiseled look But don't

get me wrong, I love Keaton and I would love

to see him reprise it, but more so in a Batman

Beyond film. Yeah, that's the only, when I heard

this news, I was like, all I saw was first was

Michael Keaton and talks to reprise the role

as Batman. And I was like, please tell me it's

Batman Beyond. And then I saw Flashpoint and

I was like, this is a waste of Michael Keaton.

Exactly. It's it's it's a it's that movie is

literally a Up in the air trying to fix their

already fracture universe movie. I don't want

to waste Michael Keaton on that I want to waste

Michael Keaton or we use Michael Keaton on a

standalone Batman Beyond, that's how Matt Reeves

is doing his own Batman movies, and Todd Phillips

is doing his own Joker crap. Make Batman Beyond

separate from everything else. It has the benefit

of the future, or you can make it be separate

from everything else, because it's what, 50 years

in the future, something like that? I'd rather

that than sticking Michael Keaton in a Flashpoint

movie that's on its fourth director that's been

delayed five years with maybe an actor that's

not even gonna be playing the Flash to begin

with. Don't waste Michael Keaton on that. But

the simple fact that Michael Keaton is still

tied to the Sony universe is weird anyway. If

you're gonna pull him back... rather pull him

back for a co -lead which would be Batman Beyond

not a Nick Fury with I heard a Nick Fury esque

Cameo role I would back the truck up to Michael

Keaton and I would put him as the co -lead in

the Batman Beyond with that's what I would do

But you know, it's Warner Brothers. They're weird.

Yeah, it's Warner Brothers. They're weird. Yeah,

that's the other thing like I don't understand

Like I'm also seeing like that they might have

them as the kingdom come Batman might pop around

and it might meanwhile This is all while we already

saw that ruined on the CW. Yeah, so I don't know

You really think that was ruined? Yeah, they

made the cabin Kevin Conroy my favorite Batman

of all time Finally gets to play a live -action

Batman and they make him a piece of crap That's

a waste of kept that that was the biggest waste

of Kevin Conroy. I have ever seen Ever. Yeah,

considering Ruby Rose gave up the role after

the first season. Right. Oh, it's too much hard

work. There was a great scene on the ad campaign

for that, and it's not even in the show where

the Flash meets Kevin Conrad in the Batcave.

And it was just an ad for the show. It was not

in any of that arc. I'm like, why? Why would

you not make Kevin Conrad get to play Batman

live action? Just as a as Batman. He's not even

playing bad man. He's playing evil Batman See

I can't racist Batman. It's like what what why

what a waste of Kevin Conner Yeah, it was like

xenophobic Batman like xenophobic evil Batman.

It's like oh god You could have got anybody at

that point. They could they could have pulled

out uh Some other they got a guy Bruce Greenwood

if we're gonna or anybody else's play Alan took

anybody Including anybody anyway Jesus if you're

gonna do that don't please cover. I do I do have

to say though it is This is a few months ago

now before the whole You know cosmic rust hit

the world Saw it and don't ask me why it wasn't

all it was online. Somebody shared an article

It's not like I actually watched the show on

the regular somebody shared a Good Morning America

article with Val Kilmer because he was promoting

his new book at the time Val Kilmer was going

through throat cancer treatment and I watched

the interview and I'm like say what you will

about Batman forever, but He did a fairly good

job as Bruce Wayne. Maybe he's not the best Batman,

and no one can blame him for the damn bat nipples

because that was a costume design choice. The

actor does not, most of the time, unless you're

Tom Cruise, the actor really has no control over

what bat suit he gets to wear. but it just it

saddened me so much to see that that he had gone

through the throat cancer stuff and i'm like

oh and seeing him in the interview was like that's

val kilmer like yeah man he looks so it's just

so yeah he's gone through a lot of stuff i don't

know who like yes michael keaton i would love

to see him back as old man bruce i just don't

know any young actors right now Or by the time

this potential movie fix -it thing happens, that

could play Terry. I know one. When I first heard

this news, I was talking to a friend of mine

and he was like, we were both like, why don't

you use Michael Keaton for Batman Beyond? And

he was like, how would you do it? And I was like,

well, I gave Michael Keaton, I gave... even though

I would have to back a truck up because he's

probably been snake -bitten from doing comic

movies that fail before. I'd get Alex Garland,

who directed Dread, and I'd get Timothee Chalamet

as Terry McGinnis. And I'd do it right now, before

Timothee Chalamet gets older, because he's a

very, very, very, very, very good actor who looks

just like Terry McGinnis, who could play that

role. What's his name? Timothy Chalamet, he was

in Dune. He's in the new Dune movie. He's the

lead. He's in Lady Bird for a little bit. He

was in the movie with Call Me By Your Name with

Armie Hammer. Looks just like Terry McGinnis.

Very good actor, but he's right at the cusp of

getting away with being a teenager and being

in the 20s, so they would have to do it very,

very soon. But that's how I would do it. There's

actors... Of note that could play Terry McGinnis,

but me I'm always looking for the best actor

and I think Timothée Chalamet He's Oscar nominated.

I rather go that route then you know some they'll

probably go newcomer. I don't want him to go

Disney bopper I want to get somebody who knows

their way around a script who Michael Keaton

can have scenes with and Michael Keaton doesn't

eat their lunch Timothy Chalamet could hang with

a Michael Keaton because he's hanging and call

me by your name He hangs with Michael Stuhlberg

who's one of the greatest actors were alive right

now, and he does great scenes with him He's gonna

be working with Oscar Isaac and Josh Brolin and

doing movie and any villain who picked him as

the lead for Dune for a reason So that's who

I would pick but there are them out there, but

it's few and far between Yeah, and it's still

good and safe. Well, I was gonna say like I've

been wanting Batman Beyond movie since years

I think it was like 2006 I saw the first like

joke about it going around and it was when like

heroes was on TV and they had that Milo Ventimiglia

or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know just

just as a you know Photoshop deal but I saw Keaton

as like old man Bruce there and I was like, holy

crap like this could work like if they went this

route and You know and that would even then it

would fit kind of weird with like somebody that

that's done You know even a even Tim Burton could

possibly pull something off like that maybe back

then but even then his stuff was kind of weird

but if if they would have got somebody that had

some of the Sci -fi futuristic stuff like Tron

legacy kind of had you know you could you could

pull off a neo Gotham pretty realistically with

it. That's why I went Alex Garland because he's

done dread, which was a very Batman as character,

which was set in the future, but it's still,

it was gritty. And then he's done ex machina,

which was an annihilation, which were very clean,

uh, sife, super sci fi stuff. That's why he was

the first name that popped into my head, but

you can go, you can go with any other, you can,

you're talking to trial legacy. You're talking

about Joseph Kaczynski, who's doing top gun with,

uh, The Top Gun 2 or whatever. He did trial legacy

did oblivion, which is very futuristic. So that

would be a good route to go to. You can do Batman

Beyond. It's almost like a last Airbender situation

where the material is right there and it shouldn't

be this difficult to do. But for some reason,

nobody can go to a studio and go, hey, I got

an idea. Futuristic Batman, because that's your

pitch. You don't really need to go anywhere.

You don't got to go into detail. Batman in the

future. You're done. Yep, that's how Bruce Tim

did it. So and the funny thing is Again, like

I said at the top of the show. I hadn't seen

a lot of Christian Bale films past Dark Knight

Rises or whatever it is. I Haven't seen a lot

of Michael Keaton films in a long time like a

lot of them or right. No, I know But for me,

there was one film and I know everybody in the

room is going to groan because nobody in this

room besides me actually enjoys this movie. As

soon as I heard him and saw him in Need for Speed,

I was like, man, that's the movie you go to.

It's not spotlight, not coming. Like I said Yeah,

but homecoming he's a day. I'm you know, you

can't compare Adrian Tombs to Batman No, I'm

gonna come here as a car scene where he's threatening

spider -man to batman because that was frightening

and i go oh wow that was yeah it'll be terrifying

he'll be so great because that's all old batman

bruce wayne is in batman beyond is an old man

that still scares the crap out of you and in

that scene where he's scaring tom holland that

was like that's freaking bruce wayne oh that's

mean bruce wayne that's true i mean i guess the

reason why besides the fact that i like the way

that he acted in need for speed for what little

acting he does in it, not that he's not acting,

but for what scenes he has in that film, is because

he basically plays a reclusive billionaire that's

retired from - He doesn't robocop as well, and

it's awful. I mean, he's done bad work, I would

say. Spotlight, he's done that, what was the

other one he did that recently? But yeah, Birdman,

I mean, he's done stuff that we're like, oh,

wow, Michael Keen still is firing on all cylinders.

He's done, you know, the Need for Speed. I need

to buy another boat for my lake house or whatever

movies. But he's also done really good stuff,

too, I would say. Hey, as a fan of that franchise

and waiting years and years and years for a film

from that franchise, the plot was generic as

hell. But they nailed the the location looks

at least their money is a speed. Yeah It's essentially

hey, we need a far faster than furious movie.

That's what that movie is We can they have a

fast and furious movie. Why can't we have a fast

and furious movie? We can't give it these will

get the guy from Breaking Bad It so yeah, it's

it's kind of funny I Honestly would would love

to see Keaton take the roll on and see what he

could do with it now considering There's like

an outtake from Amazing spider -man or whatever

it is where he's Adrian Tombs and he leans over

to you know, Andrew Gar or not Andrew Garfield.

I'm homecoming and Tom Holland. Yeah He's like

Don't know. I can't keep them straight because

they rebooted too quick. I Don't remember or

care about their Andrew Garfield one. So I go

I go McGuire Tom Holland. I just skip over the

I Liked those films when they came out. Those

were some of the first like superhero films.

I saw in theater, but But no, I mean I saw an

outtake where he just leans over he's like I

bet man and then just You know and then they

just started losing it but Don't know. I think

I think he's still got it. I think that he's

at the right age. He could play old man Bruce

Or if nothing else a grizzled Batman ready to

pass the torch It's it's definitely probably

the way to go I mean I saw kind of a meme that

was joking earlier, but it says how many of you

are there and it's got You know the the Justice

League thing with Commissioner Gordon and then

it's got Keaton Affleck and another version of

Affleck Batman on there and it says not enough.

We'll save the Warner Brothers by ourselves.

But yeah there's there's actually a Bat Beyond

image that's been made up by Boss Logic. The

boss logic image that's awesome. Mm -hmm, and

he's working with Warner Brothers He made the

Shazam or the Black Adam thing for Dwayne Johnson

personal. So, you know, it's in the ether They

are aware of it. This is why if they're setting

this up to lead to that, okay But I wouldn't

even half -step The only thing that makes it

weird is that you're gonna you're now dealing

with three realms. You're dealing with The Zack

Snydery realm where Ben Affleck's still kind

of Batman, but we don't know you're dealing with

the Matt Reeves were Robert Pattinson is Batman

and if you do this you're dealing with No, Michael

Keaton is now Batman if you do Batman Beyond

and you're dealing with oh now Michael Keaton

Batman again It's the Warner Brothers is so splintered

off. That's why I rather them to say fuck. There's

everything's a different realm They're not connected

at all. So basically what you're saying is Batman

into the bad verse You would definitely if they

did a Batman into the bad verse this what that

will work perfectly That would be freaking amazing

if they did that if spider -man and the spider

-verse never came out and they did Batman into

the bad verse Billions of dollars billions of

dollars Then you could have Conroy come back

you can have Connor Conroy Greenwood you get

everybody Diedrich Bader you can have everybody

everybody Jack Nicholson can pop because I there

was a video where Michelle Pfeiffer has said

look what I found that she found her bullwhip

from Batman Returns and I'm like are they putting

her in this thing because I can't remember Catwoman's

not in Batman Beyond, right? She's not there.

No, she's not there Well, I think Gordon I think

Barbara's there, but I think they have What was

it in the the arrow verse infinite? crisis on

infinite earths they had Robert Wall I know but

they had the 89 universe and it says Selina Kyle

and Bruce Wayne getting married it was on a newspaper

article so yeah that would be an interesting

twist anyway yeah it's just so funny what they

could do but what they most likely won't do It's

so sad because we can all, I know it's almost

predictable, but it's like, you know your audience

wants this. Why would you not give them what

they want? What is the purpose of not giving

them Batman Beyond? Unless I go, it's expensive,

I guess, but it's Batman. It's not like it's

a fringe character. This is probably the most

iconic character in all of comic books. You're

talking about the same company that tanked their

Superman reboot as the lead. This is very true

This is also very true Because Superman was supposed

to be the center of that universe and then they

tell you and they're like, oh Batman Well, it

was clear that the people in charge of Warner

Brothers and the director at the time Clearly

either didn't like or didn't understand Superman.

So they just said everything has to be like Batman

So we'll make everything Batman Superman your

Batman now flash your Batman Aquaman, you're

cool. You gotta be cool now, you're Batman. The

only thing they kind of got was Batman, and they

tried to make everything Batman around him. Wonder

Woman didn't work that way, so then thankfully,

whoever made the decision, God bless them. I

guess it was Zack Snyder casted her, but whoever

decided to hire Patty Jenkins to do Wonder Woman,

it was like the first time where they were like,

okay, alright, here's somebody else with a different

perspective than not everything has to be Batman.

Exactly Yep, yep, and it's the only time it's

worked. It's only time it's worked But no, I

mean I I mean I'm so in favor of it if it happens

Right, but they're also talking that if they

do flashpoint, they're like, oh, well, we're

gonna have you know Michael Keaton is old man

Batman We're gonna have you know, Jeffrey Dean

Morgan is Thomas Wayne flashpoint Batman And

then that still kind of leaves Ben Affleck is

possibly Batman with With you know with I don't

think he's Pattinson Yeah, I don't think he's

gonna ever come back to it though. Yeah, I can

see you it got him. I got him mess I mean he

was already kind of dealing with alcoholism and

stuff, but Batman kind of almost they push him

over the edge I just want Ben Affleck to get

better and it seems like you know after he kind

of stepped away It kind of gave him some clarity

Having him get pulled back into the toxic fandom

of this is, you know, that seems like it's bad

for him. I don't I read I read that him just

go back to making movies and working at his own

pace. This fandom will eat you alive if you're

not strong. I say I might call him a weak guy,

but he did have some issues that this stuff did

not help. I would say the Batman V Superman stuff

did not help. The Justice League stuff did not

help it. So. And I I would rather Bruce I rather

Ben Affleck to step back and honestly, I don't

have a pro anything that he's done I'm not a

fan of Batman every Superman. I've definitely

not a fan of Justice League But my problem isn't

with him at all so he could step back and say

look I gave him my best try I am NOT at fault

here. I Was a pretty good damn Batman. So I I

mean, I'm not I got more Brungs at it and Clooney

and kilmer I can step back and just go on with

the rest of my career. I think Yep, I agree with

that It's yeah, so Depending on mmm, what do

you see this all going right? Who would you like

like like say they you know, that's that's said

for just fun of it that they totally bypassed

the Flashpoint movie and then they have Keaton

come back. And let's say that they don't do Batman

but they still have Keaton come back. Who would

you want as the villains in that? Are we talking

about Batman Beyond Universe or are we talking

about this regular DC universe post -Zack? The

post Snyder cut I'm assuming you're talking about,

right? Well, let's just say that it was an isolated

incident. If they were gonna bring Keaton in

like who would you want to see him opposite of?

for a villain I Would love to see their version

or a newer version though. I think it was done

perfectly, but I can see a more rebooted version

of a Ra's al Ghul because I love Ra's al Ghul

and when Todd Phillips made Joker And they were

like, they want to make a dark universe where

we're seeing the origins of these characters.

Who else would you want to see? I was like, you

know what I would love to see? I would love to

see a Ra's al Ghul movie through time. Like,

he talks about we sacked Rome and we did all

this stuff. Watch Ra's al Ghul, because Ra's

al Ghul is immortal. We'll watch Ra's al Ghul

rise to power and stuff like that. And we've

never gotten to see Keaton. We've seen Keaton

versus the Joker. We've seen Keaton versus kind

of the Penguin in Maxwell's Shrek. Keaton versus

Keaton versus like a a racial ghoul type character

a newer version of racial ghoul I think would

be cool. I think that would be a very good I

mean, that's the only villain I think that through

Keaton's Bruce Wayne would have an issue with

because he didn't really have that much of a

difficulty with the penguin it was more about

him and Catwoman in those movies and then he

left so the funny thing is The with the news

of him potentially coming back or the speculation

of him potentially coming back Somebody else

and it hadn't reared its ugly head in a while

until now somebody else shared a we got this

covered story with old Pfeiffer with the old

picture of Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman in the

in the in the in the title thing and I'm like

No, don't and stop for the love of God, stop

sharing articles from wegotthiscovered .com because

as soon as that, as soon as the Keaton thing

happened, they're like, yeah, and Michelle Pfeiffer's

on board too. No, she's, we don't know that.

You don't know if Keaton's on board. I mean,

again, I'll say this, if she comes on board,

I'm not gonna say no, but I'm not gonna hold

my breath thinking that she's definitely coming

on board. Michelle Pfeiffer don't need this.

First of all, she's still part of the MCU at

this time. People keep forgetting she uses the

WASP. The original, yeah. Yeah, so I don't know.

And Keaton is the vulture, and he's in the Morbius

movie that's been delayed a year. So it's weird

how they're gonna be able to do that. But if

they just say screw it, I mean, Thanos was cable,

so whatever. They could do a Keaton Batman movie,

and they could have him versus... A young a younger

racial ghoul they can have inversed I mean of

all the Batman villains that I like to see Batman

go up against It's the I don't want to see another

Bane again I don't think you're gonna top Tom

Hardy's Bay, but you could do some more stuff

with that that character I don't want to see

a riddler. Really. I'm not a big fan of the riddler.

He's mostly always great But you know, it's kind

of like I kind of want to see one of those get

like the quarter owls makes me go like, oh, that's

cool. I watched that. But, you know, I'm kind

of a deep Batman fan than the stereotypical.

I like the Joker. I like the Penguin. I like

those guys are kind of like the the window dressing.

I like the more deep cut Batman villains than

that. So maybe it's just maybe because of. As

of this recording fun has been revealing their

San Diego Comic -Con home Store exclusives and

I know I'm gonna get flack for this but Since

they're both old and they're both out of their

young primes I would love to see Michael Keaton

Batman Versus old Arnold, Mr. Freeze. Mr. Freeze

can work. I don't want to see Arnold, Mr. Freeze,

but Mr. Freeze, Mr. Freeze can work. I never

want to see Arnold play Mr. Freeze again. He

ruined that character for me. I'm a Batman animated

series, Mr. Freeze. That Mr. Freeze is the one

I want to see. But yes, I forgot about him. He'd

be awesome. I think I think that that would be

fairly easy to pull off. I've seen like what

is it? Mark Strong. I've heard Mark Rylance from

Bridgespies as well, because Mr. Freeze can be

an old man. He can be Patrick Stewart, for Christ's

sake. Especially a suit walking around. For that

character, you can cast for actor, not for physical

ability. That's why I don't need Schwarzenegger.

I'm going to cast the best actor. You give me

a Mark Strong. You give me Ben Kingsley. Anybody

who can encompass that? Cold demeanor and I would

be giving whoever is cast of the act the the

actor Every episode of the animated series do

this Do this Do not watch Batman and Robin you

watch these animated episodes and this is what

I want I want that track the Nora I want that

tragedy I want that tragedy because Arnold didn't

really have that he was doing puns for 50 freaking

minutes Yes, he was doing. Yes, he was doing

puns for 50 minutes, but that was 1997 and it

was campy and it was work for hire and whatever

else. Just like all actors are work for hire.

But the reasoning for me going back to Arnold

is he is much he's at least 20 or 30 years older

now at this point. And I think if you gave him

the right direction, like you're saying, DJ.

I think he could pull off a really good old -

You're going with that halt, that zombie movie

he did, The Swordsman did a couple years ago.

Again, I'm gonna be castin' for talent. Arnold

Schwarzenegger's great, but I think he was completely

miscast in that movie. He is not Mr. Freeze.

He'd have been better as Bane. They're gonna

cast him as Bane and I've made more freakin'

sense to me than Mr. Freeze. Mr. Freeze... As

a character is and you bring up that character.

I don't know why I slipped my mind He's one of

the most compelling Batman films because he's

not really a bad guy. He's essentially just like

Alfred Melina plays him on the Harley Quinn cartoon

show and he's fantastic in it because he nails

even he's a little bit more, you know humorous,

but he still nails it where it's like It's all

about Nora Anybody that gets in my way and I

don't think Keaton is gonna be one of the new

hey, I want to do campy Batman I don't think

he's gonna want to do that. He wants walked away,

right? I'm not doing this You know this Adam

Westy stuff. He wants a scene with an actual

person that can hang in a scene with him Michael

Keaton will again he will eat you alive if you're

just you know, look get spider -man homecoming

and it'll work for spider -man homecoming because

Peter Parker is supposed to be a novice Where

this guy is like I will kill your whole family.

I don't give a like that's Michael Keaton can't

be put across somebody going sing pow I can't

I can't see that happening It was short circuit

the movie for me Yeah, he Yeah again, like I

I don't see any other way that that could have

gone But yeah, I totally agree with you. I and

I would love to see like a re redo it at mr.

Freeze and do them, right? Because I think that

you know It's interesting and I say that kindly

it's interesting as Batman and Robin and Batman

forever were They were not good films. They were

too campy and the villains were quite possibly

the worst part of those films Especially when

we got to Batman and Robin Batman and Robin there

does I mean The whole movie could have been burned

what they did to the three villains in Batman

and Robin They killed mr. Freeze and he got off

the best they murdered poison ivy that like that

was a destruction Destruction of poison ivy and

we're not even gonna talk about what they did

the Bane where his lines of dialogue consists

of bomb and Monkey work that's all been said

So yeah, but I mean Joe Schumacher got arrested.

He did. He did say that. Oh God, I was just going

with the, the Adam West thing. But again, if

you're going to go campy, you can't, I think

Keaton is miscast them because I don't want Keaton

and I don't think Keaton works in a campy role.

You'd have to go get somebody who'd be a fun

Batman to, to, to, to do that. But if you have

Keaton in there, you gotta, you're gonna have

to go dark. That Keaton's Batman is among the

darkest Keaton's Batman. I think it's darker

than Bales Batman. Bales Batman is doing jokes

and all types of stuff. Keaton's Batman is he's

not even using a crazy voice. He's just when

he's Bruce Wayne, he's Bruce Wayne. And then

when he's Batman, he's Batman. That's it. He

doesn't do anything. And then he's like, you

want to get nuts? Let's get. He freaked out the

Joker. That's how dark Michael Keaton's Batman

is. But Joker was like, wow, this guy is nuts.

What the hell's going on? Yeah, so I mean honestly,

I I would love that and I'd love to see them

the take on this role As for the DC Extended

Universe mmm, whatever that is. Yeah Again I

think their best option is to be anti -marvel

and separate everything have Wonder Woman be

your own crap Have Aquaman be his own crap have

the Joker movies be its own crap have Matt Reeves

Batman be its own crap and we could just enjoy

because they they've fundamentally failed at

making the universe. Now we got the Snyder cut

coming out, which is essentially saying, hey,

remember that way we failed? We're going to shut.

We're going to remind you of it. We're going

to give you more of the failure. This is like,

oh, no. What? Why? We were trying to move on.

We had a wonderful movie that was essentially

taking us away from Steppenwolf and in and Superman

mustaches and all types of crap. Yeah. Just that

whole Snyder cut stuff. Oh god And I just As

for recording this I was trying to see if I could

find a reliable Source on my Google feed which

apparently it's filled with all these no -name

websites that just want to do clickbait. I just

saw an article from Gizmo blaze whatever the

hell that is I don't know it's some I I don't

know I blocked it on my Google feed, but anyway,

it's like Yeah, exactly it was like oh who they

say this oh they said Johnny Depp is gonna play

the Joker in Batman Beyond in the Batman Beyond

movie and they're saying that rake a joker or

whatever Return of the Joker Joker they're gonna

they're saying if they do a Batman Beyond movie

that it's gonna be and again speculation because

this article is complete fallacy They're saying

that it's gonna be an adaptation of return of

the Joker that Johnny dip is gonna play the Joker

and I'm as I'm as you guys are talking and I'm

sitting here silently reading this I'm like no,

no, no stop this is where I would go with it

because If they were gonna go that route, there's

only one logical way to go Nicholson's too old

Mm -hmm. They could pull Hamill in He could they

could yeah could pull out the door that one film,

especially if they're gonna kill him in the end

Remember in the return of Joker Joker is only

in it for a little bit spoiler alert for return

of Joker because it's Tim Drake That's in the

future. So I don't know if You have to even go

old you can go prime joker because it's the joker

during when batman is young and there's a time

jump and then the joker comes back and looks

exactly the same and you realize oh it's because

it's tim drake not you know the original whatever

the real joker's name is which we never know

so you can cast a young or younger actor than

camel though If you tell me Mark Hamill's playing

the Joker, I'm not going to say no. I'm just

like, please take my money as quickly as possible.

See, that's the thing. You just got a genius

idea there because look, Mark Hamill, if he does

do the like, again, full speculation. Let's say

they get Mark Hamill as the Joker and the Batman

Beyond movie does happen. He can play both Tim

Drake and the Joker. You don't need a Dean Stockwell

or whoever or any other actor to play old Tim

Drake. He can play both roles already. They look

exactly the same. There's no, there's no difference.

So yeah. Oh my God. I just, it's not like Hamill

would, would mind any way doing If they could

get them for that If I remember correctly isn't

Harley in there, too So you could get Margot

Robbie in the cameo if you wanted as an old lady

and when well when there and then I think that

the black -and -white video they make Bruce watch

where they're showing Tim great Yeah, they have

a young Harley in there somewhere. So they could

do it again You can adapt The thing about Batman

beyond is that it's so fruitful and you can do

anything You even have to do Joker you could

I mean right return a joke is a great story But

you could do a whole bunch of stuff. We're not

even talking about the the Amanda Waller Terry

McGinnis Brothers a clone of Bruce Wayne stuff.

We haven't even touched that you can bet that

could be a The the conclusion of the whole thing

Well, and the funny thing is is they did touch

on mr. Freeze. They did touch on Bane. They touched

on Ray Shintalia and right So I mean they had

they had a pretty rich universe going there with

continuing from the DCAU and I think that that

would probably be the best way for Warner Brothers

to go if they could get out of their own way

enough to do it. Especially with Disney is basically

recycling their 90s animation and saying or even

their entire back catalog actually of anything

that was a hit they're like oh ta -da it's live

-action now and it's the same script. Hell you

could have you could have Cavill the superman

is around kicking around during that time as

well. I believe right He's got a great sideburns.

So yeah, but you can have Cavill or Brandon Routh

You can have any you can have anything with it.

You could do so much with Batman Beyond It's

almost like I don't want to bring it to Star

Wars, but I get pissed off when they go We're

gonna do another Star Wars thing, but it's gonna

be in the plate between return of Jedi's like

Go over public you could do whatever the hell

you want if you went over public you have you

don't have to be Hamstrung by anything you could

do whatever you want, but this won't do it. I

don't I don't get it. I Saw something the other

day and this goes back into the whole thing that

we tried to talk about in the last episode that

nobody heard That well a few people heard it

and then it disappeared By popular request Yes.

By anyway, um, that potentially Disney is going

to get, and I don't know why they would do this,

but somebody assumed on the internet because

no one assumes anything on the internet that

Disney is going to erase the last Jedi. That's

never going to happen. And I'm like, Oh, it's

done. It's done. It's put to bed. And yes, I

know George sold it and whatever, but Don't know

like I'm not a betting man, but I will bet you

a billion dollars that will never happen You

want to know why do you want to know why they'll

never erase the last Jedi though? I wish they

would because I'm not a fan of that movie you're

telling me a studio as Conscious for bad publicity

like Disney is going to be the studio that erases

an entire franchise sequel trilogy run by a woman

Erases it they want to have that in the hell.

I Kathleen Kennedy's entire universe erased by

Disney They want that headline on everything.

No, there's no way in hell. There's no way in

hell. Yeah No way In 2020 buddy, maybe in 1915

not now 20 years ago possibly. Yeah, probably

sure Know Steve doesn't care about this and I

know we're talking about Batman. But again, I'm

scrolling through things as we're recording and

I'm like What's actually factual that I can bring

up? That's actual that's that's a maiden that's

in the camera Apparently the entire fast franchise

is gonna come to the peacock network for NBC.

Yep, they're making the series or they're making

a As far as what I saw it's just the films the

films that are already out Again, I am I think

the two most interesting character I'm in a minority

here, but the two most interesting characters

in that entire franchise are Hobbs and Shaw and

I think I'm the only one to watch that movie

because The rest of them are as interesting as,

you know, dry paint. There's nothing with the

hell's Dominic Toretto. Tell me something cool

about Dominic Toretto other than he's cool. We

don't know why he's cool with this. He's cool.

He just drives freaking cars. That's it. There's

nothing interesting about him. He's a car thief

that apparently is a spy. We don't know how he

got those powers. I'm not a huge fast fan, but

I liked Hobbs and Sharpe because it's like, OK,

the supersport, the ex MI6 agent. And the man,

the, the, the time of Lee Jones, man hunter made

a movie. They are actually interesting. Everybody

else to me is like, I don't name me something

cool about Jordana Brewster's character. I don't

know. Uh, to, to write Tyrese, he's, uh, he,

he tells jokes inappropriately. He's comedy relief.

Yeah. Right. Uh, Roman or whatever. And then

you got Lou Chris who went from, uh, I own a

garage too. I'm the best hacker in the world

for. Inexplicable reasons is that this that the

whole universe? Is it but it doesn't matter what

I think because those movies make billions of

dollars billions upon billions upon billions

of dollars To bring it back to Batman because

I might have to actually watch this after we're

done recording as Of this recording guess what

just appeared on Netflix in a series mask of

the phantasm It was the first movie I ever saw

in theater actually. Really? Yes. The first Batman

movie I saw in theaters was Returns because by

the time I saw 89 it was already out on VHS and

we had Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck with that lovely

900 number commercial before the film. We went

as a family to see Batman 89 and I was like...

I don't think I was even like old enough to appreciate

it as even though I was like, oh my god But I

still didn't like appreciate what I was watching

It was it felt like it was in the movie theater

for five minutes because it was flew by like

I couldn't yeah It's craziness and then I when

I got older I as I watched it over and over again

It's like you really appreciate what Jack Nicholson

is doing and then when I got older I started

appreciate what Michael Keaton does because when

you're a kid you like almost drawn to the villains

And you kind of forget the bad, the good guy

because he's good. And then you watch what Michael

Keaton does in that movie with it. Like you're

talking about the let's get nuts scene, which

went over my head when I was younger. And when

I watch it now, I'm like, this guy is he is killing

the scenery right now for him to hang in a scene

with Jack Nicholson is a testament to how awesome

Michael Keaton is and the whole Robert wall stuff

and all that, you know, absolutely. 89 is fantastic.

Totally. Yes, it is. So I think that about wraps

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