This Little Piggy, The Return, The Greatest Story Never Told, and Ultimatum Review

The Secret Origins Podcast, Episode 14. Hello

and welcome to episode 14 of the Secret Origins

podcast. We have now gone unlimited. I am your

host, DFJR Mike, and joining me as usual is the

headphone throwing lupus convoy. Hello, sir.

Hi, everybody. How are you? Well, now that, you

know, my headphones stopped screaming at me,

I'm doing well. Yes, sorry for the delay in the

episodes, folks. Lupus has been extremely busy

with school and work and dog sitting and taking

over the world. Supposedly mailing robots. I

don't know if that's been done yet. But hopefully

by the time this episode airs, it will be mailed.

Hopefully. Today we - what'd you say? We can

hope. I'm a good little blue lantern, I'll hope.

I did find them though. Even though we're gonna

- even though we are explicit on this show, I'm

gonna hold my tongue. Today we are going to be

reviewing four more episodes of Justice League

Season 3. Now - One thing I forgot to do, one

thing we actually forgot to do in episode 13

when we actually started the unlimited series

or the unlimited seasons, we forgot to talk about

the brand new theme song. I thought we talked

about it. No, I don't remember. I don't think

we did because I listened back to episode 13

because normally where we would talk about that

would be obviously here in the intro. Was it

episode 12 when we were doing a review of season

two? No, it might have been. It might have been

something that we did off air. Yeah, it might

have been. I think so. But yeah, what do you

think? Okay, so I'll admit that I fast forwarded

through most of season one when it came to the

opening Yeah, who hasn't if you've got it on

DVR you're like, okay. Yeah Well, you know once

you see the opening title for the first two seasons

and you hear that music Like the first two or

three times, you know what it is and you don't

need to watch it all, you know 26 of the times

This is true and this the new one it's like I

can't I need to watch it. I dig it. They actually

said in, I believe it was this little piggy commentary

about the new theme song and how everybody at

first hated it. All the fans apparently hated

it when they changed the show and didn't like

it and whatever else. and bruce tim you know

was saying it was telling a story of on the commentary

about um i don't know people were saying that

it sounds like eighties rock metal or like kind

of like asia or um somebody said i think he said

that it was uh glenn murakami said it sounds

like you know a sports anthem or something and

he goes you're still not turning me off to this

and i love this theme it's a great opening the

It's an awesome opening. Even with the... The

good thing about Justice League, the entire show,

is they have taken the prologue stories before

the titles and most of them are pretty much cliffhangers

before the title sequence. And it's just awesome

because some of them leave you just hanging and

then you have, well now, you have this really

awesome title sequence. I like the animations

on the characters a lot better instead of what

they did in the first two seasons. Yeah, it's

not quite so blocky and really bad CGI. Exactly.

I'm not sure. I was trying to remember and I

should have wrote it down. I don't remember when

because I think the first five or six episodes

when they do the whole main title sequence and

they show the original seven and they show them

off in characters, Shair is not there. Until

like I think it's four or five or six episodes

in until she she's when you see her and she's

like also uniform She she looks like she's definitely

rep Repetent. Yeah, she's done. Yeah, you can

tell it. She's heartbroken So it's great to see

that they're bringing her back and it was like,

oh my god Shayira. Yes. Yep. Yep But she's not

back yet. She comes back in she shows up in the

end of the return and I don't think she shows

up again until I think her official return as

far as being in an episode and and seeing her

full, you know, just in full Garvin and full

active being back on the show, I believe is Wake

the Dead. So, yeah, that'll be in the episode

that we do in the next two weeks. But yeah. I

love this theme music. I've got it on my phone.

I don't usually use it for a ringtone, but whenever

I need to get amped up for something, this is

what I listen to. It is pretty badass. Yeah,

it is. And the ending is awesome. It's like,

dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. And then

it has this kind of like, oh, it's kind of like

godlike thing, obviously, because the final shot

of the title sequence is the big three. Yep.

And even though Batman has no super powers, he

is still the goddamn Batman. Someone else has

been going on with you, sir. Dog sitting? Okay,

guys, if you haven't had a dog in a long time,

don't agree to babysit four dogs for a prolonged

period of time. I made that mistake. And it's

taking a lot of us, three of us to actually keep

on top of everything. So yeah, it's an eye -opening

experience and it doesn't dissuade me from wanting

a dog, it just makes me sure that I only want

one. I'm too lazy like my mom has a dog and everything

and you know I you know I help my mom out the

the best I can and stuff but it's like I'm just

too lazy to have a dog well I want I want one

but it's a matter of not being able to support

that dog give it enough attention yeah so much

as it is yeah you know I'm getting addicted to

Lego minifigures, and I'm going through my transformers

and thinning the herd. Yes, yes you are. Which,

you know, again, UPS, not UPS, no, do not use

UPS. I will kill you if you use UPS. Yeah, yeah,

you need to go to the bulls doves. Let's see,

since we recorded episode 13, I got a new computer,

yay. the only problem with it is that I can't

record DVD audio so I'm not sure if like this

episode will go up when it's supposed to I'm

not sure if 15 will I mean we are going to be

recording 15 we're actually recording these on

one night and we're going to record it and get

it done but I don't know when it will go up because

I have to get another monitor from my old computer

and a set of speakers To hook my old computer

back up so I can actually record DVD audio for

the in -betweens of our discussions so Yeah,

but no I'm loving the new computer. I only had

a couple of like failure issues with Windows

7 not too many Really enjoy Windows 7 it's a

lot more streamlined than what XP used to XP

was because I've been on XP Pro for like the

past three and a half years so yeah and i can

actually have like you know multiple things going

on at once because this computer has well my

own computer had like one gig of ram so it wasn't

exactly the fastest thing in the world but this

one has a one terabyte hard drive install that

has eight gigabytes of ram which is uh... expandable

up to sixteen so it it's plenty fast it's like

it's like triple what i had before so uh... chose

it works hey dude it's only it was only i think

after tax and without and they don't have this

kind of money but my mother for me so you know

it's it's one of those things are you know my

mom helped me out to get it but i think after

tax and not getting a best by a protection plan

which I will do eventually. I think it was like

9 .55. Oh, so it's only about an eighth of what

I owe the hospital. Yeah, and I just bought the

tower. I didn't buy a whole package because I

have everything else. I have the microphone,

I have the keyboard, I have the monitor and all

that stuff, but I need a secondary monitor and

speakers for my old computer, which... yeah.

Anyway, that's pretty much what's been going

on with me. It just dawned on me that this weekend

is TFCon. Yeah, I was hoping to go this year

because I went last year. Yeah. Not in the dice.

So I apologize to all my Canadian brethren that

are up there that I'm going to be missing out

on. Yes. Yeah, this weekend is TFCon and it's

the largest Canadian Transformers, I think it's

the only Canadian Transformers convention. I

think so. But it's it's damn well worth it to

go. Yeah, if you're in the US. Oh, yes. I would

have gone except about when I was 16. So that's

what 10 to about 12, 13 years ago. My wallet

at the time, which had my birth certificate and

Social Security card in it. Don't ask me why

I was 16. I was stupid. Was in there and it went

through the wash. Yeah. And replacement. No,

not yet. I have a photocopy. Well, I have the

original Social Security card. But I have a photocopy

of the birth certificate. So I have to call the

offices of birth, deaths, and marriages in Stoughton,

Massachusetts. to get that done, but that's the

only reason why I'm not going to TFCon this year

is because of, well, that and the money. Normally,

the money wouldn't have been a problem, but yeah,

I've been going through some financial issues

lately. But no, I would love to go to that. That

would be so awesome. It is. It's a definite different

experience than one at a botcon. It's a lot more

down to earth, smaller. It's also really big

Dealer room dealer room, but it's got a more

intimate setting where you don't feel like you're

just a number Yeah, you have to wait, you know

six or seven hours in line to get well the difference

is between the two our bot con is run by a Jerk

who doesn't really care about transformers. He's

more in it for the money And TF con is run by

fans will agree that there's a difference that

way. I will say that, well, one's official and

one's not. I think if you want to keep it successful

as a business, you need to have someone that's

going to be cold -hearted about it. I guess.

Yeah. Speaking of TFCon, I just recorded and

it's already released now. toycast even though

it's not back yet we're not if it we will officially

restart releasing you know full -on episodes

again until august thirteenth we're gonna have

two little special episodes in this in the month

of july we just released episode sixty -one rodcast

were actually your co i don't know if you work

with him on tfw or not but drew i didn't for

a man i'd show you is one of ours what he's on

the other team uh... casey sienna i don't know

what i mean i know you're on the you're on the

even team aren't you Yep, see I don't I don't

I don't know who else is on the even team So

I wasn't sure if if he was on your team or not,

but yeah, it's like the three two three degrees

of TFW exactly he's on the even or he's on the

odds I'm on the even and The fuzz is the link

between us because he covers both of us when

we can't be there Yeah, fortunately he has been

covering me a lot because of work and school

yeah So yeah, I think it's time to get into some

episodes today Don't you ever wish you were down

there? I'm down there all I need to be yes, but

it's just a job to you I'm talking about going

down there and having some fun Maybe maybe with

someone special No No dating for the Batman.

It might cut into your brooding time. One, dating

within the team always leads to disaster. Two,

you're a princess from a society of immortal

warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of

issues. And three, if my enemies knew I had someone

special, they wouldn't rest until they'd gotten

to me through her. Next. First up, we have this

little piggy. Such a good episode. Yes, it is.

Wonder Woman accompanies Batman on a stakeout

in Gotham City based on a tip that Inter Gang

plans to steal the Rosetta Stone. I've got something

to say about that, but I'll wait. I say wait.

All her attempts to flirt are rebuffed by Batman,

emphasizing the differences between them. When

the robbery occurs, they find the thief is actually

the sorceress Cersei, mortal enemy of Hippolyta,

or is that immortal enemy? Wonder Woman's mother.

Although banished to Tartarus by Hippolyta, she

has now been paroled and her first act of freedom

is to transform Hippolyta's daughter, Wonder

Woman, to Batman's shock into a pig. Seeking

help, Batman approaches the stage musician and

Justice League member, Zatanna, after her show,

who happens to have real magical powers and is

aware of Cersei's release. Although she attempts

to return Wonder Woman to normal, her powers

can't overcome those of the goddess. Batman requests

to keep the situation between the two of them

and Zatanna promises to help both him and Wonder

Woman, although she intuits that only Cersei

can reverse the change. Zatanna leads them into

a shopkeeper specializing in magical artifacts

to purchase a missing ingredient to her locator

spell. He reminds her that every element of magic

requires a price that is not necessarily monetary

and forces her to reluctantly hand over a valuable

mystic item of her own. Despite the potency of

the spell, Cersei proves too powerful to be found

so easily, and because of the spell's flashiness,

the transformed Wonder Woman escapes. Batman

and Zatanna give chase, but not before she takes

back her mystic item. Unable to find Wonder Woman,

Batman calls upon the aid of Boana Beast and

several other League members to locate her. Boana

Beast finds her, but she evades him, and then

she runs into a pork processing factory amidst

the throng of hun - hundreds of pigs. Batman

and Zatanna request the aid of Themis, who brings

the Medusa, Cersei's former cellmate, who reveals

Cersei's burning desire to perform at the amphitheater

at Mykonos. Meanwhile, the transformed Wonder

Woman attempts to escape from being processed,

frustrating a butcher's efforts to capture her.

Zatanna teleports them to the amphitheater, and

they confront Cersei, who attacks them by transforming

her stage cohorts into wild animals. At the same

time, the transformed Wonder Woman is caught,

tied up, and put onto a conveyor belt towards

the processing machine. After fending off the

last of the onslaught of animals, Batman suggests

making an exchange for returning Wonder Woman

to normal. Cersei, intrigued, agrees to transform

Diane back, but only in exchange for something

incredibly precious from Batman, something he's

concealed and when gone can never be regained.

He pays the price by revealing a suave singing

voice in a performance of, Am I Blue? So touching

that it moves both Zatanna and Cersei to tears.

Cersei returns Wonder Woman to normal, just in

time for her to escape the factory. After his

performance, which receives a riotous applause

from the amphitheater's crowd, Batman thanks

Zatanna for her help. After work in the League

Watch Tower, Batman and Wonder Woman discuss

the night's events. She claims not to remember

that much of what happened, and asks if she missed

anything. Here applies nothing much, but she

teases him by humming, Am I blue? before walking

away. Your thought's good, sir. didn't even really

know what Justice League was because I came into

Justice League late as far as watching it on

television and obviously because it's a continuation

of the DC animated universe I watched it and

grew to love it but wow this episode is so awesome

this this is basically what this is the epitome

of how awesome JLU is yeah If I had to sit down

with somebody and make them watch an episode,

it would be this one. Because you've got the

great overarching story arc, you've got the interplay

between the two characters, and you've got the

humor in it. And it's not just the two of the

main seven, you've got the side characters that

come in as well. They got really extremely Red

Tornado Yeah, yeah, Red Tornado is one of my

the with the characters they brought in for this

episode The rooftop bantering is just awesome.

It's just Zatanna all or simpson rule uh... uh...

what he was saying like rebuffing her and the

fact that she still hold her own in a conversation

with him like first off here the princess of

a of a lost country i'm a rich kid problems you

know problem or issues you know she's like he

says like the one thing that every super hero

Thinks about you know, if I'm in a relationship

Mike my villains find out about this, you know

They will use the use her against me and you

know, I don't want to cause that sort of pain

to somebody and she proceeds to crush a gargoyle

with her bare hands Yeah Yeah, that was so awesome.

Um wonder pig dun -dun -dun I uh Did they actually

see that in the in the series like wonder pig

no they don't but everyone thinks that well actually

nothing they don't actually say it in the cartoon

however there is a batman jlu figure that comes

with wonder pig i actually got it for michael

sims over at earth tube huh that's awesome well

i i got it for his birthday a couple of was it

last year love to but it was two years ago he

mentioned something he would want to uh... Wonder

Pig toy and I was like, okay, and he said somebody

saw it at Target So I went on I think I went

on Amazon or honor Might have been eBay and I

was looking for it and there is a jail you Batman

figure That comes with an accessory of a little

Wonder Pig Yeah I like Moana Beast's line, I'll

have her ready for pickup in... and then at the

end of it I added, oh shit! This is such an awesome,

awesome episode. Yeah, the story is very fluid,

the character development is spot on for what

they were trying to... quote -unquote allude

to with Batman and Wonder Woman. There was no

alluding. Well... You and your pointy -eared

boyfriend. Yeah, but... But they never say it,

but it was... Well, the thing is though, Bruce

Timm has said that they, you know, they hinted

at it, well, they won't, they kind of... It's

not like John and Shiera, where they were a couple.

And we'll be a couple as we'll see later on.

That's Yale. I hereby say that this is the JLU

musical episode. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They did

this before before Buffy, probably, or at least

before Dr. Horrible. So, yes, this. Oh, let's

see here. Don't look at it directly. Oh, my God,

Medusa. She got ugly. I was surprised at the

hair though. The hair is cool because the snakes

are constantly moving. Yeah. That was pretty

awesome. Kind of limp. Those are really nice.

That was my next night note. Even though I hate

snakes, they look cool animated as her hair.

Freedom in 40 10 ring and ding ding ding I Will

say that um, I am a geek enough that I I've seen

this episode so many times that that line has

been stuck in my head and Sometimes at work when

something goes wrong. Someone will be saying

something to me. I'd be like yay freedom in 40

10 ring a dang dang Nobody gets it but It's just

one of those lines that you you can't help but

go. Yes. That's awesome Yes Something that when

gone you can never get it back something so shattering

You know just by the scowling of bats his eyes

that this is gonna be so good And then of course

Batman sings And it's not what you think it's

they allude to oh they're gonna take away is

His secret identity nope Oh no, see I knew they

would never do that though. But if you're new

to it, you don't know. Like if it's your first

time. Yeah, I guess you could argue that fact,

but I knew that it was, I mean, even before,

because like I said, I've, like when I first

got the big... Yeah, oops. Stupid. What the hell

was that? I don't know. When I got this... When

I got the tin... I made every effort to not watch

it To not watch the series all the way through

So it's difficult. Well, yeah, it's difficult

because you know, it's a tan it's awesome, but

You know, I said, okay. Well, I'm not gonna do

a marathon watch the cartoon I want to wait until

the podcast. So I haven't actually seen this

episode for I don't know maybe a year or so uh...

before i watched it for this and you know that's

that's a really shocked me about the whole even

though i knew obviously it wasn't his secret

identity that they're going to make him give

up uh... but yeah that's just awesome and bruce

not everybody knows already yeah well bruce timid

said in the arm in the commentary that Kevin

Conroy is a classically trained singer. He does

have an awesome singing voice, but I don't know.

He has some sort of training as a singer somewhere.

I don't remember what Bruce Timm actually said,

but he brought that up in the commentary. Wow,

that was a fast episode. That was my last line.

So damn good. Yeah, it just it hits every punch

that it needs to be that needed to be thrown

for a 30 -minute episode And it doesn't just

drag out did you um So did you catch up a wannabeast

Yeah, I don't know who the hell I didn't know

who the hell he was but I caught him. Yeah, I've

known him from From the new Batman series that's

playing now on on Cartoon Network. Oh, you mean

Brave and the Bold? Yeah, I'm not a huge fan

of it, but it's fairly decent. I mean, for some

of the very random cameo characters that they

throw in. But I didn't know that he was an actual

DCU character. Yeah, well, you would have known

that if you had listened to the commentary on

this episode, see? Will note though, however

went out after I was watching I was thinking

about the name and I'm not a huge fan of the

character. So the snarky side of me came out

and I'm like if you reverse the name Beast wannabe

it kind of makes sense. I Was very surprised

to see that they weren't that they didn't use

animal man, though Or a logical character More

at least more normal character anyway Well, I'm

not sure I'm sure they just needed something

that you know and again I'll go back to the commentary

for what Bruce Tim said they they basically just

needed, you know, one of those very obscure leaguers

that Yeah, but animal man is pretty obscure too.

Okay. Well, see, I don't know But I mean, well

see, I think they wanted to use Buwana Beast's

power. His power is he can actually turn into

the animals, can't he? He can talk to them. Oh,

he can talk to them. No, he has some, no. There

was some sort of special power he had that they

didn't actually, that we didn't actually see

in this episode. Wasn't there? Mind controlling

emerging any two animals together. Okay. Yeah,

that's what the DCAU wiki is saying. I figure.

Yeah. I'm going to take this fish and this bird

and wham. Yeah. Apparently, Bwana is Swahili

for master. So he is a beast master. Oh, yeah.

That's true. I love these little Greek throwbacks.

Her and her family, the Gorgons, they were toted

as being more beautiful than the gods themselves.

So the gods being very possessive of their titles,

let's put it that way. Aphrodite herself got

pissed off and turned them all into very, very

hideous monsters. And with Medusa, if you looked

at her directly, you turned to stone. I'm sure

everybody knows this, but how horrible would

it be? If you're in Tartarus the Greek underworld

and you're watching Some hero cut off your head

and then run around Doing adventures turning

people to stone by pulling your head out of a

basket That's just adding insult to injury Yes,

blackest night jail you There's a fight between

her and her father Who's undead and they're casting

magic back and forth and it's all backwards So

it's kind of a mind boggle to read and try to

get it, right? And after all this I guarantee

that Diana is gonna go vegan. She's never gonna

touch another pork product Yeah, so what a great

date huh you're going out to go see the Rosetta

Stone and a small little dinky Museum in Gotham

now. No, wait a second. They weren't technically

on a date They were on stakeout. They're superheroes.

That's a date Dude they were on stakeout because

inner gang was supposedly supposed to steal the

rosetta stone. This is Batman. That's a date

for him So so so wait a second you remember that

picture I'd put it on twit pic with Superman

the Batmobile on stakeout So you're telling me

that Batman and Superman are now dating? They

have a bromance. Oh damn. Yes. Every like slash

fic girl is going crazy right now. Oh my goodness,

they probably already have. But anyway, yeah,

so I do hold up a little bit of issue with the

fact that it's the Rosetta Stone at Gotham because

People that don't know There's a lot of controversy

over who really gets to own the Rosetta Stone

if it's Britain or France and it doesn't leave

Britain usually But if people are really interested

in the Rosetta Stone, I'd suggest looking up

Howstuffworks .com and their podcast they have

one on the Rosetta Stone. It's really awesome

And I actually heard it prior to watching this

episode, so I was like, what, huh? So yeah. Now

let me ask you, does the Rosetta Stone, like

a lot of nationally or internationally famous

pieces of art or history or whatever, they go

on tour? So they're not always in the... Kind

of like say there's a certain collection of of

Picasso's at Those I don't know the Smithsonian

or I don't know But what I'm asking you is could

it have been the reason why it was in Gotham

was because it was maybe on loan to a Gotham

Museum I'm not sure but I don't really think

that it would is one of those that would go out

because it's it's so damn heavy It's so damn

good and it's there's a lot of contention over

who actually owns it because there's going between

Britain and France and Egypt's kind of going

hey that technically is ours it used to be you

know it came from our country can we have it

back so I'm not sure it's one of those things

that would actually go out yeah hmm that makes

yeah that makes sense I'm looking at at it for

Google right now and I'm not really seeing it

being loaned that often but there's there's a

lot of really great info out there on it if you're

interested so yeah and i'm sorry that's not they

are not on a date dude i was being sarcastic

i know issues honestly like that you can tell

that there's something going on especially when

uh That means the tennis talking and he's like

she's just a really good friend. No Bruce. I'm

a really good friend Yeah, there's something

else between you two. Yeah We have anything else

on this one Not sure if we covered everything

but I don't know The the items that they she's

using for the for the spell, a poppet, a mummy

hand, salt, an ankh, and a chimera scale, and

candles. I'm looking at that from an actual study

point of view. I'm going, what exactly is the

mummy hand there for? Okay, I can get the poppet,

a locator spell, try to latch on to her. Maybe,

but what is up with the chimera scale and the

mummy hand? The mummy hand probably wants to

cop a feel, so. I guess. I'm not exactly sure

what it's supposed to represent though. And although

we did have that nice little run through that

we read off the DCAU wiki, I will say however

that it wasn't an artifact, it was a silver Ming

dynasty coin. So it was monetary value, but she

did end up getting it back in the end. Yeah,

by saying refund backwards. Yep. Oh boy. This

is... They didn't actually intend on having three

comedy episodes in the first season of JLU or

the third season of Justice League altogether,

but it kind of happened that way and they didn't

really want to have them back to back to back,

but it kind of happened that way. You have this

one, kid stuff, and... I'll see the other one.

Crap Maybe I don't know maybe greatest story

never told. I don't know. I know there's Yeah,

but I mean there's three comedy episodes in this

first season of Justice League Unlimited and

obviously the This little piggy And Kid's Stuff

are two of them, I don't remember what the third

one is. I'll have to go back and watch the commentary

to hear what Bruce Dim said. So I guess we are

gonna move on. We have another guest in, sir.

Would you prepare a place for him? Of course.

Welcome. Are you alright? Fine. Although there

was a moment when I actually thought John Stewart

was going to attack me. Oh, I don't know about

that. His bark's a lot worse than his bite. Next

up we have The Return. John Stewart is in communication

with the Guardians of the Universe on Ola, who

inform him that his recent request for a transfer

away from Earth has been denied. Then a planetary

defense system alerts them that something is

approaching Ola at an incredible speed. Kyle

Rayner and the other resident Green Lanterns

fly into space to establish a shield, but the

object breaks through instantly, revealing itself

to be a mazo. Before the Guardians can react,

the android hurtles into the planet, there is

a sudden flash of light, and just like that,

Oa is gone. Amazo's trajectory shows that he

is heading for Earth. The League mobilizes its

full strength to try to stop the android from

reaching the planet's surface. In short order,

they realize what Amazo is coming back for. Revenge

on Lex Luthor. In his estate, Luthor is giving

a television interview explaining his reformation

since he was diagnosed with kryptonite poisoning.

He has just finished expressing his hope that

The Justice League can be friends when Supergirl

and Steel fly down and kidnap him. As soon as

he is told the mezzo is coming, he rejects their

ideas for protection and insists on going to

a safe house of his own design. Located in a

barber shop, in short order, he gives them the

slip, riding an underground tube with kryptonite

lined walls down to a laboratory, where a huge

cannon sits waiting, however the League is one

step ahead of him. The atom is riding on his

clothing. having slipped on earlier, since Adam

is an expert in nanotechnology and has Professor

Ivo's original blueprints for the android. He

and Luthor agreed to modify the cannon specifically

to destroy the android. The League has set up

three defensive lines to halt the android. The

first in space consisting of Superman, Green

Lantern, Captain Adam, Orion, Dr. Light, Stripe,

and Starman, and the League's entire fleet of

Javelins. As the android approaches, he communicates

with them telepathically, warning them not to

stand in his way. Alright, over there? Yep. Okay.

I heard nothing but static there for a second.

Shock. Yes. When he refuses to turn back, the

assembly unleashes a massive energy barrage,

but Amazo shrugs it off, smashes through the

entire line in moments, and continues toward

Earth. In the laboratory, Luther and Adam are

working out to complete the cannon before Amazo

arrives. In the upper atmosphere, Amazo locates

Luther with his telepathy and smashes through

the second defensive line. Supergirl, fire, red

tornado, and rocket red. Oh, poor red tornado.

It's never explained how they do that, but yes,

they do rebuild him. Seeing the second line collapse,

John turns to a visitor on the bridge, Dr. Fate,

who says he has an alternative proposal. Amazo

touches down outside the barbershop and just

as easily disables the third and last defense

line, Wonder Woman, Flash, Steel and Ice. This

is Flash's first appearance since the... The

new series started and flash does not speak except

for one little alive girl like oh Like you know

something small to let us know that he's still

alive and not dead Because amazo could easily

amazo could easily kill all four of these people

wonder woman steel and ice So the canon is completed

just before amazo enters the laboratory which

he does just in time to receive a blast from

it. Mildly impressed, the android indicates that

the cannon might have worked a month earlier

when he was still all nanotech. In space, Green

Lantern revives to see Kyle and the other surviving

lanterns approaching. Kyle says their only option

is to hit a mezzo with a concentrated blast from

all of their rings at once, enough energy to

destroy half the planet along with the android.

In the laboratory, as a last resort, Adam shrinks

both himself and Luther down to a subatomic size

to hide from Amazo. Again, this proves futile.

Amazo shrinks himself down as well, enough to

grasp them in the palm of his hand. Luther is

prepared to meet his fate, but Amazo hesitates.

What he has come back for is not so much revenge

as to satisfy his curiosity. Amazo has read his

mind and can't understand it. For all his wealth

and power, Luthor is still consumed with ambition

to be and have more. I'm having problems here.

Amazo, likewise, was made to evolve and absorb

knowledge, but for all that he has learned, he

still feels empty with no idea of what his purpose

is in life. As Jon and the other lanterns fly

into the laboratory, fate appears and asks them

to hold off. Jon orders him out of the way, and

after a moment, fate complies. Luthor says that

in a way, he is empty of purpose. For all his

accomplishments, he is still mortal, and everything

he's done will be gone and forgotten after a

few generations. Amazo, on the other hand, is

immortal, and nearly all -powerful, he will be

able to see time through until its very end.

Amazo is not satisfied with merely being a witness

to events. Ultimately, Luther says he cannot

solve the mystery for Amazo. Every being creates

its own purpose in life. Amazo then relents and

brings both of them to full size. Just then,

the lanterns arrive, aim their rings. Fate teleports

beside Amazo, telling them that the threat is

over. The lanterns refuse to accept this until

Amazo surprises them by telling them that All

was not destroyed. He simply moved it to another

dimension. It was in my way without leaving the

laboratory who moves it back Fate offers a mezzo

sanctuary in his tower to help him in his search

for meaning a mezzo accepts Why that when they

arrive back and it is revealed that another person

has taken sanctuary at fates home Shire a hall

dun dun dun Yeah Thoughts Oh, wow. Beginning

is really, really awesome. Just the Guardians

being the Guardians, you know, cold, emotionless

bastards. And, you know, it's coming through

Ganthot who you don't really expect. And then

Ganthot's like, you know, you really have to

work through this. It's not just because we're

being assholes and, you know, we can't really

change everything for you, but you really need

to work through it because you're better than

this. But I mean, Jaune does have a point. Why

couldn't they have just allowed Kyle and Stewart

to switch places? Because then we'd have another

Green Lantern to get used to. Kyle's cool. He's

better than that other jack -off. Hey! Hey. You

know, it's not nice to talk about Hal that way.

No, no, no. I'm not talking about Hal. I'm talking

about the real asshole, the one that uses his

powers to get what he wants. And that's a bad

thing? Anyway. It's a use in power, dammit. You're

just jealous. To see some of the new Green Lanterns

that they animated in, Arisa, that's pretty cool.

I like Arisa being in there. And then Salak and

Killawog, they have armor. I wasn't expecting

that. Apparently Killawog has a brand new face

mold, too, in this episode because... She just

said face mold. Blame the Transformers damn it.

It's it's a it's a mold. You know what I mean

design whatever Yeah, we get more more Lex yeah,

it's nice considering we're not getting any bat

phones, but The humor of Luther in a barbershop

Yeah, and okay What is with all the the super

heroes super villains saying let go when they're

picked up in the middle of the air Like we know

copper had to learn the hard way from hot girl.

Yeah Season i'm 60 feet up really you want me

to let you go Um rave palmer, which brings out

like the black black snake geeking me because

he was an indigo lantern for a while um Plus

he's from boston. Yep Which that'll that'll come

up next episode actually next podcast episode

What else dr. Light showing up Someone saying

oh, let's look racing to Collect saying let's

hope you're more convincing to amaze over than

you are to me about turning over a new leaf.

Yeah And then, like, the whole point where Supergirl

is in the second line of defense, and she's gonna

stop Amazo, and I'm like, yeah, she's gonna do

so much better than Clark. Really. The second

stringer. Well, alright, to be honest, now, I

know Clark, Kal -El, Superman, whatever the hell

you wanna call him, you know, he is all -powerful.

because of the earth's yellow sun. And while

she, at least in this series at first, doesn't

have all his strength and his experience and

everything else, he was just floating there in

space shooting his heat vision. She was actually

moving, so it's kind of like, you know, immovable,

you know. Oh, what is that old question? What

happens when force meets an immovable object

or something? She has the force and obviously

a mezzo is the immovable object. So, I don't

know. What else you got? Yeah, the reporters

looked really convinced when they were talking

to Blacks like, yeah, sure, uh -huh. What else?

Yeah, just... Showing that Luther really is an

orange lantern all about avarice and greed and

it just fits him Yeah, the the inevitable Android

looking for a purpose story Yes, what it kind

of boiled down to I was like, oh that kind of

sucks Yeah, I mean it was overall it was pretty

decent it's interesting to see that dr. Fate

is slowly building this group of Misfits Yeah,

like it's the not quite good enough league. It's

the just us league To rip that from earlier.

Yeah Yeah, that's what I got. Um, my first note

was hey Kyle But no crab mask Yeah, it's like

go away Kyle nobody likes you um You've got a

girlfriend in a refrigerator to go take care

of It's our business to know Well, they're the

guardians. They have to have their life. That's

being complete perverts. And then Transformers

can so be inserted into the whole Oa thing because,

oh shit, what are we gonna do now? Oh, it's gone!

That was random, but yeah. Oh, come on! You know

when you first saw that and you thought you saw

the planet explode, you're like, oh shit. No,

I was like, what the hell, they can't blow up

Oa. Come on, one little android can't do that.

Gold! Amazo! That was awesome. Just, because

I mean, we saw him turn from silver to gold in

Tabula Rasa, but, you know. Now it's like, okay.

It is just cool. Wherever you're taking me won't

be safe enough. Really, you're gonna take the

superheroes right there? Now, and you know that

Luthor had lackeys putting in that kryptonite

in the tunnel. Oh, yeah. Somebody else to deal

with the kryptonite poisoning. Yes, and we have

two classic TV show gags. We have a Mork and

Mindy gag with the egg that Luthor comes out

of. Oh, okay, right. And then the Get Smart gag.

I haven't seen that in a long time. The get smart

gag is the the the computer panels opening and

closing Okay, I'll take your word for it Um and

then the atom and the atom effects that was awesome

Mmm, ooh subatomic universe dot -dot -dot no

denying a mazo though See, I don't think you

shrink shrink small enough. Yeah Should have

quit while you were ahead uh... and lastly i've

got his bark is a lot worse than his bike who

are girls back you know the the the the the the

the the the the the the the the the the the the

the the the the the the the the the the the the

and the guardians are on Oa. Secondly, you have

all of these other heroes that show up in the

different lines of defense. You have Rocket Red.

I don't even know that much about Rocket Red,

but it was kind of cool to see that kind of a

hero there. Red Tornado shows up. fire and ice,

and fire will show up later. We like fire and

ice, but that's also because they're old JLI

members. Yeah, but fire will show up later in

season five because a certain original member

develops a crush on her. Wait, wait, is it Wonder

Woman? No. No, no, no, no, no. So it's a flash

because he'll hit on anything. Yeah. Yeah, it's

flash. But yeah, this was just an awesome. And

in the end, you just don't. I mean, when I first

saw the title of this episode, I'm thinking,

oh, OK, well, obviously they're bringing Shaira

back. And not quite, but close. Yeah, but it

like and it teases it like like it's like. Oh,

that's where, uh -huh. And again, I know you

didn't listen to the commentary on StarCross

Part 3, but I don't know if Bruce Tim did this

on purpose, but he tells us in the commentary

where she's going. He says, oh, she's hanging

out at Dr. Fate's house. Look where we find her,

Dr. Fate's house. so i don't i don't know if

they planned it i don't think they planned it

that way it's just maybe uh... maybe it was like

after they recorded the commentary was like all

of this is where we can you know whatever i don't

know do we have anything else on this one do

we have any issues about it or are there anything

like anything that's like out of line for lanterns

not to do Honestly, OWA didn't look like the

current rendition of OWA. Well, and again, you

got to realize this was done four or five years

ago. Yeah, they were probably going off of old

OWA, but it was just kind of like, ugh, that

doesn't look like it. Yeah, it was nice to see.

Okay, something that is kind of bothering me

in the whole JLU that we've got going on. Fire

and Ice aren't teamed up, but they are partners

in... the comics like they always fight together

because you know fire and ice yeah but um yeah

in the entire series they're not uh teamed up

together in the same team well yeah but they're

always called out at the same time true but they're

not portrayed as as teammates yeah yeah i don't

know so i guess we will be moving on It's not

too late! I can't do it! Yes you can! You have

to! Tracy! I'm a fraud! Do you know why I came

back to the past? It wasn't a fight for justice!

It was to get rich! Be famous! I was a failure

in the future! Just like I am here! I'm not a

superhero! Everything is about to be destroyed

forever! And where are the other superheroes?

Not here! You are! You're the only one who can

do this! So do it! You okay? Yeah. You? I am

now. That was pretty super heroic of you. Hey,

all in a judgment day's work. Well, see ya. Sir,

according to my thermal sensor readings of Dr.

Simmons, you just missed a prime opportunity

to, well, I believe the phrase is, kiss the girl.

Kissing girls is for heroes, Skeets. Nice work,

elongated man. That was just about the slickest

move I've ever seen. Hey, it was a team effort.

I'm just glad I stretched in the right place

at the right time. Back to normal, huh? Mordru's

magic was nullified when he lost consciousness.

I thought I told you to stay on crowd control.

I know, but there was this... I mean, you wouldn't

believe it. It almost... Oh, forget it. You and

I are gonna have a little chat later Up next

is the greatest story never told booster gold

has a problem just one here You stole my life

Give me my thunder Anyway, he's a hero from the

future who can't seem to catch a break Nobody

seems to view him as a top -tier hero and sometimes

they don't notice him at all between getting

snubbed by John fra high profile league missions

and being mistaken for a green lantern by autograph

seekers booster is sick and being treated as

a second stringer but he is a second stringer

after practically begging jaan for more work

he is dispatched with the justice league reserves

to aid in the fight for aid the first team during

a battle with the powerful sorcerer mordu mordrew

sorry sounds like mordred yeah he looks like

yeah However, upon arrival, Booster and Ralph

Didney, the elongated man, are relegated to car

control duties by Batman. Booster and Ralph jaw

for a bet about their perceived lower status

just as Wonder Woman arrives asking for help,

but only from elongated man. Booster and his

robot sidekick cheerleader Skeets attempt to

make the most of their position. However, the

closest thing to action Booster finds is the

rescue of a child's ant farm from a burning building.

His reward for this is once again being called

a green lantern. However, there's an accident

at the local Star Labs facility. A young and

attractive physicist informs Booster that one

of her colleagues was caught in a power surge

while working on an experiment. As a result,

the man is now a miniature black hole. Booster

is excited by a chance to save the world and

maybe even get the girl, so he and Skeet agree

to try to stop the black hole with the special

disruptor collar. But Booster becomes discouraged

as his plans go awry for various regions. Booster

is almost flattened by a car hurled from the

scene of the main battle miles away. A wild cast

of murderous magic accidentally brings a 10 -story

building in Booster's vicinity to life with an

appetite. Skeet is sucked into the mini black

hole. In the middle of this, Booster somehow

finds time to deliver a baby. to a woman stuck

in an abandoned ambulance. Thank you, Green Lantern.

A dejected booster admits to the young woman

that in the future he's actually a failure and

that he essentially ran away from the 21st century

in a desperate attempt to be somebody. However,

with an encouragement of his damsel in distress,

booster is able to attach the destructor collar

and save the world. All of the consumed matter,

skeets included, is ejected back into the world.

Naturally, no one outside the parties involved

know what happened. A few miles downtown, the

Justice League has just wrapped up the mortuary

situation, primarily thanks to elongated ban.

Batman lectures Booster for leaving his crowd

control post, but the would -be Justice League

superstar can't put an explanation to his words

and instead simply sulks. However, Booster Gold

is greatly cheered by the reappearance of a certain

former damsel in distress who wants to take her

out on a date. Um, I hate this episode. I didn't

think it was that bad. I hate this episode. One

of the reasons why I hate this episode is, number

one, Booster Gold is an arrogant jackass. Well,

yes. And this is my first ever introduction to

Booster Gold. I've never read any of the comics.

But just the way he was portrayed in this is

just an ultimate asshole. The one good thing

about the booster gold story here is Skeets,

because Skeets is voiced by Billy West. My next

Crowd control you better do what the goddamn

Batman says boy Don't just stand there chum god

Jeremy Piven is elongated man. Very awesome.

Fuck. Yes. Yes, very awesome Wow big three and

one that was a horrible horrible image Get back

to crowd control because well because it was

a it was a combination of Batman and Superman

with Wonder Woman's voice Now I hope no one really

takes This is a pun. I really shouldn't explain

this joke, but I have to because I don't want

people to think I'm being politically incorrect

or racial here, but black holy man and black

holy is H -O -L -E -Y, as in he has a black hole

in his chest. Oh God, childbirth, yikes. I feel

bad for him. I feel bad for her. Skeets comment

about having to boil water. First we need to

boil water sir, and then some chutes that we

no longer need. Yes, and my final note was this

is such a meh... This isn't as bad as the episode

that shall not be named. This isn't as... This

is probably on the same level as Eclipsed. It's

just horrible. I don't know. What do you got

for this one? Okay, so booster gold is always

a favorite of mine from JLA our jail jail I and

the whole three -way thing that he used to do

with with the original or secondary blue beetle

And Guy Gardner who's the ultimate Green Lantern

not Yeah, but it was quite you Also, it's nice

to see elongated man who If anyone's read the

identity crisis was a had a lot to do with him

And it was nice to see him actually in action

and then the his comments about you know Not

only am I just like plastic man, but you know,

I I'm a detective too It's like a plastic man

and and Batman can buy three days stalking somebody

I transformed into a vase a vase for three days

And then when he gets called away Skeets is like,

well, everything needed Yeah Poor Skeets, he

gets like no respect. He does like all the all

that crap for booster and he gets no respect

Yeah, it was an interesting take on the whole

Trinity thing Cause you've got Batman, Superman,

and Wonder Woman together. Well, I'm looking

at the wiki here for this episode and it says,

at one point, Booster Gold talks with a Superman

-Batman hybrid with Wonder Woman's voice. This

form resembles composite Superman. Yep. Oh, what

else? What else do I have? Yeah, so, just when

they're about to kiss, here comes Skeets. He's

in the subway, sir. He's in the subway. He's

in the subway, sir. That was not the time. And

when Skeet gets spit back out, the Oh, my God,

it was full of stars. Yeah, that was awesome.

John being snippy, I can understand these a little

upset and frustrated at the moment, but it seemed

a little bit of out of character for me. Trojan

not to take that moment to try to probe his mind

and Just find out what the whole problem is like

that, you know, which would have solved a lot

of problems And and why there are so many times

when he should have been sucked into a black

hole Like maybe he's flying backwards, I guess

I don't know but like oh there it's sucking up

a train and There goes the train right past me,

but I'm still standing still Yay for selective

physics Yeah. Um, and did the doctor, like, accidentally

eat the paramedics? I think - Like, the paramedics

are ready to deliver the babies, they're running

outside, then - Ah! I think it was the black

hole that ate them. Okay. Yeah, that's what I

got. I'm just looking here on the wiki, and,

wow, I did not know - And I didn't - Cause the

problem I have with JLU - And I think you mentioned

this last episode you don't like the ending credits

anymore because of the of the teaser scenes Well

because of the teaser scenes and the only reason

why I don't like it anymore is because I can't

see the damn voice cast very clearly So it's

like wow, but I'm looking on here and holy crap

Laurie Loughlin voiced Tracy Simmons the doctor

the damsel in distress chick And we all know

Lori Loughlin played Carolyn Lance, a former

black canary, and the mother of one of the main

heroes in the short -lived show Birds of Prey.

She was also Rebecca Donaldson. Oh, what the

hell is Uncle Jesse's last name? Damn it. Oh,

God. Damn it, what the hell is Uncle Jesse's

last name on Full House? I don't remember. She

played his wife on Full House. Okay. So, yeah.

But yeah, this episode is just yuck. I don't

think it was bad. I mean, it was a nice little

take to see what some of the other heroes are

stuck doing. I would have liked if they would

have gone with the original idea, though, and

just said, to hell with you, Booster Gold, because

the episode was originally going to focus on

Superhero Firestorm. But it was changed to booster

gold which I think is stupid because I would

have loved to have seen firestorm in this series

The question is which firestorm would it be?

Hopefully cuz that's at that time, isn't it?

Again and The newer firestorm I know whenever

I think of firestorm I think of the one from

super friends, so Okay, so that's the old school.

I don't know if that's the one they were going

to use And there is a link here on the wiki But

it just goes to his his fictional character thing

to the actual Wikipedia page it doesn't actually

say which episode he was gonna be used in but

um Yeah, this is one of those episode where I

can watch it once and I will never watch it again

I didn't think it was that bad. I've watched

it several times and it's kind of nice. One character

that no one's going to believe and he's actually

doing all this stuff. Yeah, I just wish it was

a less... I mean, he kind of, you know, he does

have character development. I'll give him that.

He does kind of, you know, waive off the whole,

oh my god, I need fame thing. Yeah, at least

for a little while. You know, just... when i

think of epic justice league episodes this is

not fits into an epic justice league of this

uh... it's a nice little okay it was nice for

me to see something on the side yeah i know i

mean it's nice to see you know i i i will agree

that it's nice to see side characters it is nice

to not always be focused on batman superman wonder

woman uh... Or, you know, GL or Jaune, which

Jaune wouldn't even be focused on anymore because

he's the desk sergeant or watch sergeant or whatever

the hell. He is up in the watchtower there. But,

you know, I do agree. It is nice to see the other.

And that was the whole point of Justice League

Unlimited was to bring in all these heroes and

have them go off on adventures, not just the

original seven. So I do agree. I just wish it

was somebody else other than fucking Gooster

Gold. Hell, I would have even have preferred

fucking Kyle Gardner than fucking Booster Gold.

Oh. Anyway. Mine are bigger than yours. Stand

down. He's free to go with you. For however long

he's got. Who are you people that's a national

security matter and if I were you I wouldn't

probe the situation too closely rich boy Welcome

to the Justice League. And finally, today we

have Ultimatum. A Justice League team intervenes

on an offshore oil rig when sentient magma creatures

arise from the sea and attack the workers. Aquaman

accompanying them has warned that such would

be the result of drilling too deep. However,

the League are joined by another team of superheroes,

the Ultimen. In short order, the day is saved

and the smokes... The spokesman, Windragon, gives

a short speech. Aquaman is openly disgusted,

and even Superman is a little fazed by the Ultimans

goody -goody attitude. The Ultimans defer to

the Justice League in many ways, under the auspices

of their sponsor, Maxwell Lord. They have a much

higher public profile and a much more commercial

one than the League, and for all their professed

admiration of the League and commitment to justice,

They seem to have little interest in joining

forces with them. However, Wonder Woman takes

a liking to one of them, Longshadow, who frankly

says his greatest wish is to join the League,

but the others are holding back. Windragon says

that they're not ready for that privilege yet.

Things start to go awry when Windragon, in the

middle of stopping a heist, develops a new and

alarming power, beyond merely creating tornadoes.

Lord encourages the team to take a break for

a while. but eavesdropping on him and a mysterious

woman, they learned that not everything is as

it seems. Following Lord, they sneak into a secret

laboratory and find clones of themselves in suspended

animation. They're all horrified to learn the

truth. They are artificial beings, cloned to

serve as weapons for the US government. Their

memories of childhood are falsely implanted,

and those persons whom they thought were their

family and friends were actors used to maintain

the illusion. Moreover, they have heard Professor

Hamilton telling the woman that the genetic structures

are becoming unstable and they all have less

than a year to live. Windragon's mind breaks

and he goes on a violent rampage. Juice, Shifter,

and Dampcore join him, but Longshadow tries to

stop them. The League is forced to intervene

and the Ultimans are subdued. As the offending

Ultiman are being taken away by the authorities.

The mysterious woman and Lord arrived along with

a squad of soldiers. Lord appeals to the ultimate

and pledges to see to it that their last days

are comfortable and that we will take care of

you. Confused and scared, they decide to trust

him in spite of everything they've learned. As

soldiers escort members of the ultimate away,

more move in to take Long Shadow away as well.

Wonder Woman steps in between the soldiers and

Long Shadow to block their way. The woman exclaims,

you need to come with us. but is quickly confronted

by batman refusing to let it happen saying that

shadow is with the justice league now the woman

calls on the soldiers who take aim at long shadow

superman and aquaman move in front of him blocking

their line of shot batman smiles at the woman

saying mine are bigger than yours the woman reluctantly

gives up saying shadow is free to go with them

but when batman pushes for information about

who she and the organization are she presses

back he shouldn't probe the situation Calling

him rich boy in an undertone indicating she knows

his secret identity see Take in the back Batman

withdraws one woman welcomes long shadow to the

Justice League to be a true hero for as much

time as he has left sir your thoughts on this

excellent excellent episode Oh Christ This is

not an excellent episode No, it's not this is

great if you get all the little nuances about

who these characters are Yeah, I know and you

pointed it out to me. I the only one I caught

on to which is very obvious is Downpour and shifter,

which they're copycats of the Wonder Twins, Xan

and Jaina. The other ones, Wind Dragon is Samurai,

Juice is Black Vulcan, Long Shadow is Apache

Chief. Which is all well and fine and good, but

just the general jest of this episode, oh god.

It sucks so hard. But it sets everything else

up. I know, this is the first episode that technically

sets up the Cadmus arc. As we all know I take

much go from beginning to end ETA is two minutes

right behind you Superman. See you there Diana.

That is such a nice Four play or three play on

the big three Yeah, the ultimate are here not

them again Wonder Twin knockoffs! It is a Wonder

Twins, there's no knockoff about it. It's very

much a... You know, honestly, if Shifter didn't

have tits, I wouldn't be able to tell if they

were both male or both female. They're elves,

what do you expect? Can you make telepathic contact

with them? Do they look like fish to you? Ugh,

yet another old chum reference. Grrr. God, it

made me want to just smack him. Yeah, it did.

Um, the ultimate base is a look -alike hall of

justice in the sky. What the fuck? It's awesome.

I know. Bizarro here to save the day! I think

this is the, um... I think this is the first

appearance of Bizarro in a while. It has been

a while. Yeah. And I've already mentioned that

this episode, technically, it introduces us to

the Cadmus arc. The King of Seas, remember? Whomp!

Aquaman bitch slapped him. That was awesome.

Like, even I would be like, you're really doing

that against Aquaman? The King of Atlantis, the

guy who breathes water. Really? Yeah, my my two

final notes are Batman notes and Mine are bigger

than yours The quantity of their weights and

Who are you people national security matter and

I wouldn't probe the situation rich boy and Every

time now alright, I guess it can be argued that

everyone under the Sun if they If they can sort

of figure out who Superman is they could figure

out who Batman is as well But just already knows

where the freaking Batcave is so yeah true, but

it's not that hard and the thing is With Batman

like like Superman really doesn't have too much

shock if people know who he is. But Batman, every

time in the DCAU, when something, either somebody

finds out his identity, or like in this little

piggy, when she's talking about the something

so dark, and you just see his eyes just go to

a scowly, they just kind of thin out. He always

has this reaction of like, holy fuck. Well, Cersei

was said to be a goddess, so I mean, it's not

too hard. I mean, it's not to be expected that

she wouldn't understand or know who he is, but...

Well, yeah, but I mean, Cersei isn't the point

for this, obviously. And the point for that was

the scene. The point for this, obviously, is

the fact that... Even though we don't know her

name yet, Amanda Waller knows who he is. That's

a scary thought. Yeah, what about you? What did

you have? Oh my god. Okay, so we got Bizarro.

Yay! Giganta's showing back up. Wait, wait, wait.

Hold on, hold on. You like Bizarro, which is

fine and cool and all that, but yet you like

Guy Gardner. What the hell? Dude, Guy Gardner

is life. Okay, so... I'm gonna tie this to Guy

Gardner though. Okay, so we're going from Guy

Gardner, right? We were just bitching about him.

Maxwell Lord. Holy fucking crap. I was blown

away by the fact that that's who their handler

was. Which makes perfect fucking sense, considering

it's Maxwell Lord. For those that don't know

who Maxwell Lord is. You need to be reading comics,

but um it goes back to JLI So the the international

version of the Justice League He was their handler

Their PR person and he has mind control powers

He actually convinced using his powers Superman

that Batman and Wonder Woman and the rest of

the Justice League was Darkseid and his Cavalcade

Oh, wow. And in response, Wonder Woman on public

television broke his neck. Creating a huge rift

in the Justice League, which did disassemble

it, if I'm correct, at one point. But Diana and

Clark and Bruce were never the same. But the

fact that it's Maxwell fucking Lord who isn't

using his powers yet. Is the handler for these

characters is just fucking amazing to me. That's

what blew my mind about this episode So you've

got this one person who's mr. Badass like can

manipulate an entire fucking planet with his

powers Who's controlling these five upstart kids

that are government property and the whole oh

my god, they're Their clones with implanted memories

and actors playing their family members That

was ripped right out of Seventh Son by JC Hutchins,

which was also a government group superhero group

That was bred out of one person Everybody thought

that they had their own family life their own

versions of aunts and uncles that they lived

with that they grew up with and it's eerily similar

to Seventh Son So bravo, bravo there. We see

the Cadmus project. Did they drop Cadmus name

-wise? Yes, they did. That's why this technically...

Is this part of it? This doesn't really start

the actual Cadmus arc of the Justice League cartoon

series. However, because it honestly really started

in Fearful Summoning. We don't really know who

it is. Here, they actually drop the name Cadmus.

So that's why I said that this technically starts

the Cadmus storyline, even though it doesn't...

The continuation of the eight -part arc doesn't

start until, I believe, question authority. But

yeah. Add on top of that, for those that don't

know more comic references, Cadmus Project originally

created Superboy. Hmm Connell Connor is a cadmiss

project combination of Lex Luthor and Superman.

Oh Yeah, which spins off a whole nother like

comic issue Why is it why am I reminded of? What

the Maximals tried to do with star screams and

destructible spark creating rampage Yeah, believe

me, Cadmus was sorry for that when Superboy found

out who his parental lineage is. Which makes

me wonder, who's the mother and who's the father?

Yeah. It was kind of nice to see Giganta again.

Yeah. And then, you know, she's fighting off

against Long Shadow and goes, oh, poop. Yeah,

I love that line. Not like, oh crap. Oh, poop.

Very like 50s. Yeah. Which kind of goes along

with the way that she's drawn. We see the the

epicness of Waller versus Wayne. Mm hmm. It just

starts here and it just gets better and better.

And see, you know, the the shippy part of me

is going, you know, Bruce and Amanda are such

a cute couple. I mean, we know what happens at

the end. Oh, God. I wish you hadn't said that

because now I'm flashing to Lex Luthor kissing

her in Superman Batman. Oh, baby. Oh, baby. Yeah.

So when I saw live, it's not live wire, is it?

Yeah. No, no. What did they call him? Juice.

Juice. That's such a horrible name for him. That

then again, I it makes me think of Starbucks

But um, yeah, I thought that was black lightning

at first Yeah, because I mean African American

electrical blue and yellow garb. Yeah But yeah,

um Maxwell Lord is still alive. I wonder if it's

gonna show that's gonna come back later Yeah,

it was just wait wait, you mean wait say that

again, so Lord is still alive at the end of the

episode Yeah, I'm wondering if they're gonna

play up on that later on this in this I don't

think he ever comes back that that's such a shame

because he said I mean he's back alive now in

the comics and he's a complete asshole, but yeah

He currently took the remaining members of Justice

League International so Captain Adam fire ice

booster gold I don't think Guy Gardner has shown

up, but Power Girl, and they're the only ones

that are immune to his power in this setup that

he did, and he made the entire world forget who

he was, forget that he's a wanted criminal, forget

who he is, and his powers are... If you're kind

of into gore and stuff, it's kind of cool, because

depending on how powerful his ability is or how

much influence he's trying to... Do he'll bleed

out that much? Yeah, so Oh, yeah, and this is

the first time I've ever seen a t -rex swim And

what's about what's up with the DC animated you

universe where if you're a shape shifter You

have to have some really bizarre like skin coloration

and your animals are always gonna be that skin

color You've got shifter. That's white and you've

got Beast Boy. That's green and It's very strange

Well, technically team Titans is not in continuity,

but whatever I don't know. I have no idea. Um

I will say this is the most badass that I've

ever seen the winter twins and I can actually

take them as a threat in this I Can't I know

there's a whole like oh my god, you just tried

to try to drown the king of Atlantis, but No,

it's not even that. What I don't get is this

dinosaur thing that she turns into or whatever

the hell it is, and then she's inside him as

water. That just seems wrong. Very incestual,

yes. I didn't really notice this at first, but

the wiki pointed it out. The League members appearing

in this episode were the same four characters

that comprise the original Super Friends team,

Batman, Superman, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman.

Yes, there's a lot of Super Friends references

in this episode, which I guess is what they were

going for. Apparently, Dwayne McDuffie claims

that the beast that threw itself against the

bars is a nod to the Wonder Dog. It appears to

be the same model as the... Sarah Stone dog monsters

in the Batman Beyond episode ace in the hole

hmm And the extent of Aquaman's involvement with

the league is uncertain in Justice League the

terror beyond the subsequent episode of And the

subsequent episode of Justice League unlimited

wake the dead it is at arm's length at best But

in this episode he is shown sitting at the main

conference table with other founding members

and referring to the league as quote -unquote

us Well, you know he was gonna be the new member

Yeah, but still I don't know um what I found

very interesting was now I don't know but I'd

have to look at I'm gonna have to look at bizarro

really quick here, but because I want to see

you're speaking normally, too Yeah, well he's

only in like He only has like one or two lines,

but I do anything for my girlfriend When your

girlfriend has her boyfriend back, you know think

that Let me see I need to see if he his face

wasn't as craggy as I would have expected Yeah,

I want to see though if... Who voiced him then?

Oh wow! That's weird! What's that? In Superman

the Animated Series, they credit Bizarro. Tim

Daly did both Superman and Bizarro, but they

credit him as Timothy Daly. for the Bizarro credit

and Tim Daley as Superman and Clark Kent. What

I was going to point out was, in Justice League,

George Newburn has taken over the role of both

Superman and Bizarro. Whereas in Superman the

Animated Series, it was Tim Daley who did both

voices. Well, it fits. I'm not saying it doesn't

fit. I just noticed when I was looking down here

in the credits that it says uh... george newborn

superman and bizarre but he's uncredited as as

bizarre oh into just i don't know maybe that's

why they didn't do the backwards speakers because

maybe george maybe they didn't show him or really

go to the paces with him on how to do the backwards

speak i don't know not really sure i guess you've

kind of convinced me and just reading through

some of the wiki stuff that it is a pretty cool

episode but that's not as bad as some of the

other ones No, it's not, but it's not as good

as some of the really, really good ones. Honestly,

I like it because it sets everything up. The

references, like, I didn't even know that the

rest of the characters, Wind Dragon, Long Shadow

Juice, were other Super Friends characters. I

didn't know that, but the fact that they had

the Wonder Twins and made them cool, it just

kind of stuck along with the whole edginess of

the angsty Aquaman. Just the Maxwell Lord part

like honestly I would have loved to see Wonder

Woman go after him like show like a little bit

of angst towards him just a nod to that, but

Yeah Okay enough of me gushing All right, and

we are gonna go to the outro Wait, it seems that

magic always has a price and your point is What

would I have to give to make you lift your spell

on Diana? Well, now you're getting interesting.

I want something from you that's very precious.

Something you've worked very hard to conceal.

Something when gone, you can never regain. Something

so shattering. Am I blue? Am I blue? Ain't these

tears in my eyes telling you? Am I blue? You'd

be too If each plan that you had Beautiful. And

you'll keep your part of the bargain? A deal's

a deal. He can stop now. Not on your life! When

I first saw the list for this this episodes discussions

This little piggy the return wake the dead and

ultimate them. I thought to myself, oh Great

two awesome episodes and two episodes that are

just meh I Liked them. I was very excited for

this because I sat down and just watched them

all Me and the four dogs the four dogs were totally

like enraptured with us The this little piggy

they were they were trying to go after Diana

on On the big screen This isn't like oh nice

little little screen that my friends have a 82

inch projection Yeah, so I'm watching DC you

on this entire wall of their entertainment room

going my god it's beautiful oh yeah it looks

even more beautiful if it was on blu -ray oh

when your blu -ray throw that out there I want

to see the I want to see the dirt on the animation

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