Justice League Season 2 Finale: Star-Crossed

Don't be afraid, little man. I won't bite. That's

not helping. Who's next? Hello and welcome to

episode 11 of the secret origins podcast I am

your host TFC one Mike and joining me as usual

is lupus convoy. Hello, sir Hello, sir. How does

it it goes? How are you? You sound a hell of

a lot better than you do in the last two episodes

I am NOT sick. Yay Today we'll be reviewing the

final story of Justice League season 2 this was

also potentially it could have been the actual

end of Justice League they were not sure if they

would be doing any more Justice League so it

was it wasn't just a season finale quite possibly

could have been a serious finale and they wanted

to go out with a bang and boy did they ever it's

like it's like it's like Lucy you got some spading

to do behold my mighty Associated lantern powers.

Yeah, those lantern batteries take a while to

charge though. Yeah, that's true. I'm still kind

of confused on what I'm supposed to be saying

for an oath. So what are you been up to, sir?

Studying and studying and working and playing

with new toys and studying. Yeah, pretty much

it. The usual. Getting ready for off -state eye

government exams for the National Nursing Association

so I can be all stiffy and legal and get into

my programs. And apparently it is a nightmare.

To give all the listeners an idea of how it works,

it's a three -part exam, kind of like the SATs.

One section's math, one's English, one's sciences.

And there are some questions that will throw

you. Like, my friend got, which is the oldest

of the four items listed below? A. Fossil. B.

Fossil. C. Fossil. D. Fossil. She never could

figure out what the answer was, because it was

all the same question. Wow. Yeah, if you thought

the SATs were bad, just wait till you guys take

this. Yes, since our last episode a lot of crap

has happened Mom and I are I'm trying to help

my mom do this whole moving sale thing so that's

going on We've made some money off this stuff

it's mainly she just wants to get rid of all

the crap that she can't take with her wherever

she's gonna move to and You know and it's like

yikes Let's see what else As we're recording

this, it won't air until the 15th. It won't air

until the 22nd, but as of today, June 15th, I

woke up, well, I went to sleep last night, around

12 .30. And for some strange reason, my body

woke me up at 3 .45 this morning. Don't ask me

why, I have no idea. So I'm like, alright, fine,

whatever, I'll come out and I'll... Check email

and harass people on Twitter and whatever So

I turn my TV on and it's been doing this one

thing for a little while where as soon as you

turn it on The image flickers and flickers until

it finally straightens itself out So I turn it

on and it does the flickering bit for about I

don't know two or three minutes It finally straightens

itself out At 6 o 'clock, I started getting tired

again because I hadn't actually gotten a full

night's sleep. So I'm like, all right, well,

I just muted the TV, left it on, went back in

the bedroom to lay down. Well, that wasn't happening.

I wasn't going back to sleep. So an hour later

at 7 o 'clock, I come back out here and the TV

has a black screen on it. No image, no nothing.

So I'm thinking, all right, fine. Whatever. Try

changing channels try doing volume turn it off

turn it on and then it starts Automatically because

the green light if the green lights on the TVs

on if it's off. It's off on the actual console

and It's down for about two seconds and go off

and then come back on automatically by itself

And I was getting no picture. No red lines, no

nothing. There was no picture whatsoever. It

wasn't like it was fully turning on, so I'm assuming

it's a power issue. Well, I have had this TV

since 2006. Magnavox, because they no longer

manufacture this shit in TV, they won't offer

support for it. So, unless I take it to a TV

repair shop and see what they can do, I'm pretty

much fucked on having a TV. I mean this is in

at the time and it still is it's a nice 32 inch

flat panel Magnavox It has one issue with the

left speaker because actually that you know how

you have like the like on your monitor You have

the edges of the monitor that are part of it,

but it's not actual screen size Right, okay So

on this, same thing, but the edges are wider

because that's where the speakers are. On the

left and right side, they're giant speakers.

While there's something wrong with that as well,

I don't know what the deal is with that, but

the left one keeps fading in and out. It doesn't

really bother me so much. I mean, it still works.

The sound still comes out fine. But yeah, I don't

know what's wrong with it. I have no clue. Sucks.

Hopefully somebody can help you with a new TV

Yeah, right. I'm gonna need to find a sugar mama

for that because I looked at I was priced them

on Best Buy and they range from Depending on

what size you want from 300 to over $4 ,000 and

obviously I don't need a $4 ,000 TV I mean this

one when we originally bought it it was in 2006

and We paid $1200, but that was also the $1200

was It was the additional protection plan Through

Best Buy which after four years there because

I don't think we bought a four -year plan So

they're they're not going to do anything about

it Because and hell they don't even sell the

damn TV anymore because Magnavox no longer manufactures

the TV But I was priced them on Best Buy And

for a 40 -inch TV, I can get for like $650. Problem

is... Having $650? Exactly. I can't exactly pull

$650 out of my ass. That would be an awesome...

If you could, that would be very uncomfortable.

Well, but it would be a hell of an awesome superpower.

Okay, I have to plug this. There's a book out.

called Playing for Keeps, I think. It was written

by Mur Lafferty and it's all about people that

have superpowers that really suck. Like a barmaid

that can keep any flat, like, bar tray and she

can turn it upside down and nothing will fall

off of it. She can completely control it. The

man that has the really crappiest power is the

ability to project at a fire hose strength feces

from his hands, and the guy is stuck working

as the janitor. But if you guys want to go check

it out on podiabooks .com, it's free to download,

and it was amazingly good. But that kind of fits

with the whole podcast, so. I guess. I don't

know about that Yeah Just a couple of other notes

that I took these notes off the commentary because

I don't know if you listen to the commentary

for part three I did and They point out a couple

of things. I kind of already mentioned the whole

fact of they weren't sure about the About the

card about the series continuing. That's why

they wanted to go out with a bang Maria canals

Barrera was at well she's Barrera now she was

just Maria Canales back then but she was very

upset that she was no longer in the league Bruce

Tim said that they would bring her back but not

right away and they say in the commentary like

she was really pissed she was really pissed hurt

she I believe they said that hot girl was her

like most favorite character she's ever done

and she really wanted to come back and Bruce

Tim's like well We're not gonna bring, we're

gonna bring you back, but we're not, just not

yet. Need to give it a little time. Did you see

how pissed off your coworkers were? Do you think

they're just gonna walk back with open arms?

It's gonna take a bit. Yeah, yeah. And the other

was when they're talking about the GL grow talic

battle. and grow cuts the ring off. And Bruce

Tim in the commentary says, the fans hated us

for that. They're like, you can't do that. It's

unbreakable. You can't break a Green Lantern's

ring. And then Bruce Tim says, says who? Well,

it's DC Comics lore. I don't care. Oh. They're

dying. Yeah, I was like, what the hell? But we'll

get into that when we get to that part, but I'm

just saying that that's just what Bruce Tim said

And I like how it's I hope to God people don't

watch this episode and listen to her don't watch

this three -parter With the commentary on the

third part before they actually watch the entire

thing because really we don't know at the end

of this three -part are where she's gonna go

but bruce tims basically says she went out and

she went out she went had a doctor fates house

i don't know i think he's just kind of throws

that out there in the third part of the commentary

uh... or the third part commentary and turns

out when we get done with it in the return guess

where our girl was it but i think it's going

to help it uh... heard into getting on See now

even you're doing the hot wing sex jokes I might

as well come from someone from the gay community

Alright, so I guess we're gonna get into some

episodes. Diana, cover our tracks. That x -ray

vision working yet? Just enough to see Hawk soldiers

still patrolling the skies. They'll have the

whole city covered by now. Who knows? Maybe they'll

get tired and go home. Yeah, I know. But a little

optimism at a time like this couldn't hurt. This

is the voice of the Thanagarian Occupational

Authority. Your so -called Justice League is

in violation of our martial law. They are to

be considered an enemy and dealt with on sight.

Any person found aiding or harboring them will

be severely punished. Okay, so much for optimism.

For the time being, we're gonna have to go underground.

How exactly do we hide when the entire planet

is looking for us? They're looking for the Justice

League. Without our costumes, we are nearly ordinary

citizens. Hold on a second here. What about the

whole secret identity thing? I mean, I trust

you guys, but I'm not sure I'm ready to - Wally

West, Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne. Show off. Red

hair. It suits you. You think? Change. Now. Oh,

as we said in the intro, this is the final story

of Justice League Star -Crossed. Which, hello

Shakespeare. In part one, the League is staking

out a conference of world leaders based on a

tip Batman received that a terrorist incident

may occur. Superman as Clark Kent is watching

the conference from inside, among the press corps.

Outside, Jon Stewart steals a few seconds to

flirt with Hot Girl. Suddenly, a greater menace

appears in the sky, an alien battleship that

opens fire. None of the U .S. military's weapons

can hurt it. Before the League attacks, an even

larger alien battleship appears and downs the

attacking craft, which crashes. Hot Girl recognizes

the newcomer as the ship of her people, the Thanagarians.

The ship's commander, Hurl Talik, asks to meet

with the Earth's leaders. He reveals that Hot

Girl has been lying to her teammates. She did

not arrive on Earth by accident, nor is she a

law enforcement officer. Rather, she is a lieutenant

in the Thanagarian military and was sent to Earth

as an advanced scout and sort of ambassador to

prepare for their arrival. Talak explains that

for decades Thanagar has been at war with a vicious

alien race, the Gordanians. Now the Gordanians

have targeted Earth for an invasion, and Talak

offers to help. John confronts Hot Girl, asking

her what else she has kept secret. Having seen

the power of the Gredanian ship, Earth's leaders

feel they have little choice and accept the Fangarians

offer. Immediately, they begin constructing a

massive force field generator in the Gobi Desert,

which they say will provide a planetary defense

shield. The Justice League aids in the construction.

Batman is suspicious, as always. and examines

the remains of the Gordanian battleship. He finds

that all the Gordanians were dead long before

the ship appeared on Earth, meaning the attack

was a ruse. He sneaks on board the Thanagarian

mothership as a delegate, and we'll talk about

that in a little bit, before diverting away from

the main group and enters the command center.

He overhears a communication between Talak and

the leaders on Thanagar. that the Gordadians

are closing in on their home world, Krager finds

Batman and the brief tussle between Batman and

some Thanagarians ensues. Krager manages to knock

Batman out, but Talak orders Batman locked up.

The Thanagarians turn on the Justice League,

taking them prisoner. John tries to fight his

way free, but Hot Girl tricks him into lowering

his powering, and then knocks him out and takes

his ring. A Thanigarian unit takes control of

the Watchtower while the rest of the forces occupy

Earth. Thoughts? The Flash's comment about not

even a sleazy politician. He hasn't been looking

hard enough. Just proof right there. the awe

moments of the superhero sweetheart's flirtation

and smooching. Aw, we know it's not gonna last.

Poor Clark having to deal with Lois on the other

end, dealing with a trash strike. Yikes, no wonder

she wasn't happy. Okay, I have to ask this. Doesn't

Clark get really, really hot wearing two outfits?

Because he's wearing a full, like, three -piece

suit AND his Superman outfit underneath that.

Where did he put the cape? I honestly, maybe

he tucked it in like a long t -shirt. I honestly

don't know. It just, it doesn't really, it's

something that's always bothered me. It's like,

wow, you've got to get really, really hot wearing

all that. Um, I noticed, because I'm a Transformers

geek, we see F -22 Raptors being used. Yep. Um,

and I was like, ooh, Starscream, yay. No, no.

No stars, I don't care if it's an f -22 Raptor

Starscream is not in Justice League. No Starscream

Okay, so first to see a massive armada in the

beginning and then when they do the whole okay

We're gonna take over the earth even more come

out. Holy crap. Yeah. Yeah, they're there to

help sure So my thoughts when I we first see

pro talik is Okay, he's very dramatic, but at

least he gets to the point and that solves so

many issues with superheroes and fighting As

we've seen in these episodes, you know, they

don't say anything they get in a huge fight No,

he gets right to the point and wham -bam. Okay

things progressing with the story. They're not

just duking it out Let's see Hawkerl is God she's

a bitch just from the beginning, you know, five

years, and then she's making all these jokes

about, oh, the Just Us League, you know, trying

to get her way in to everyone's good graces.

When we first get introduced to the Gordanians,

I was wondering, do they worship Ixulu or Cthulhu?

The whole prior, you know, mythology that we've

got going on about the denigarians rejecting

Ixulu and... It's just a religious war that's

going on. What's the basis for it? I don't know.

Let's see, are they, like, the ran? Is that what's,

this is supposed to echo the ran -sanagarian

war from the comics that came out recently? But,

um, I feel really bad for Green Lantern this.

Oh yeah. Um, you know, he just really gets fucked

over. Yes, you know. The poor guy, like, he's

got this great relationship that he's finally

won, and he's finally agreeing to a relationship

with her, and he's admitting his feelings, and

he's coming to terms with this. And the girl's

been married to somebody for a while, and, you

know, he's really shattered in her. Not only

just, oh, by the way, I'm actually a military

spy, but, oh, I'm not really in love with you.

Whoops. Well, now, now, wait a second. She didn't

actually say that she wasn't in love with GL.

She just said that she has been betrothed to

this asshole. Saying otherwise. Yeah. Like, oh,

you know, I really do love you. I just stuck

in this position. No, nothing about that. So,

we've got them saying the Earth's defenses aren't

really great. Well, they're also being covered

by the Green Lantern Corps. Isn't that what they're

there for? And they've got all these superheroes.

Again, isn't that what that's there for? Or well

no for now that hot girl fuck well take hot girl

Batman and flash out you got four really super

powerful beings But they're only four people

four people can't You know control half the world

or even the entire world hell they they can barely

You know monitor the entire planet as as seven

people well let alone just four people true Interesting

mind. Yep. Now, was there ever a scene that we've

seen so far where he's trying to contact her

or trying to track her, psychically? Um... He's

tried doing that with Superman and Batman. Well,

I think it's... Well, yeah, but see, Batman and

Superman are open to it. I don't know what it

is about Hot Girl or the Thanagarians that they're

not open to to mine probe or whatever? Oh, wow.

Why is Cartman flashing into my head? Anyway,

um... Anyways. I was thinking of Anna Dancin'.

I was thinking of the helmets from X -Men. Yeah,

but I'm not really sure because... What was it?

Only a dream? Where he didn't know. He never

did. Don't think he ever broke into hot girls

mind in the sea in for in in only a dream He

had he broke into Superman's Jails and flash

his minds, but he never went and then they were

all going to go to hers But they couldn't and

they cut away to the whole Batman humming whatever

he was going to hum and then kicking Dr. Destiny's

ass. So they never actually did it. But it just

makes me wonder, if John can't get in there,

why did Dr. Destiny do that? Anyway, yeah, it

was just one of those things. I wasn't sure if

we had seen something to the contrary so far

in the series. Yeah. At the same token, he didn't

say that he wouldn't go into people's minds out

of common courtesy, because this just isn't done

in Martian society. So, okay, when she's eating

the questionable foods, I wasn't quite sure if

that was supposed to be a kidney or an oyster.

Seriously, what is she eating? Because that's

kind of disgusting. But then again, we've seen

what... You're getting into your part two notes,

though. I don't know. No, we've seen... Oh, okay!

You're talking about when... Oh, okay. When you're

talking about her, I was trying to romance her.

Okay, I thought you... Yeah. Oh, these were...

I remember them being your favorites. You know,

she's picking up these very... They look like

oysters, but there's no shell. And I'm kind of

going, eww. No eel heads? What was that? What

else? Craigor. He made some really great points.

the second Command Crager. It's always great

to have someone that is overly cautious and practical.

And I couldn't help but think of a character

from the Harry Dresden books where the Red King

has got this character who, you know, big bad

vampire dude that's about to wipe out, you know,

90 % of humanity and he's got a spy that everyone

trusted and he is the ultimate practical person

that nobody pays attention to and he's always

there for the most practical, overly cautious

plans. So if you want somebody that's gonna be

your second command, you want somebody like that.

And then City gets bitch slapped. I really dug

her outfit in this, like her military outfit.

It definitely showed how much of a flip she was

from the Hawker that we've seen and loved so

far. Yeah. This is a section where, the episode

where they talk about the frozen liver. Yes,

yes it is. Okay, liver cells are extremely, extremely,

if you know what a liver cell looks like, you

know what a liver cell looks like. It's very,

it's got certain characteristics. When it comes

to cellular damage, frozen cells, when a cell

freezes the water and the liquid inside of it

that makes up the cytoplasm, the liquid part

of a cell, when it freezes, it crystallizes and

breaks through the cellular walls. It'll actually

burst apart cells. So if you're looking at a

frozen liver, You'll be able to tell what the

liver cells look like, but you'll also be able

to see the cellular damage right from the get

-go and see how much damage was actually done.

So, yeah, when Batman says, I know what a frozen

liver looks like, yeah, if you've seen one, you

know what you're talking about. Well, I ripped

out, and I did this on purpose, and it will not

air on our show, but I did this on purpose. I

went back to World's Finest Podcast's review

of Stark Homes and Secret Origins. Star -Crossed

and I ripped out the audio where they're asking

about the whole frozen liver thing and as far

as Where would Batman get the frozen liver? I

mean where where would he get like their whole

question because I sent you that audio as far

as um their whole question was Well, he would

had to he would have had to have broken into

the morgue, wouldn't he? Presumption yeah, yeah

I mean, it's a goddamn Batman. You think he wouldn't?

Well, yeah. But I mean, yeah. But they were looking

for a logical explanation as far as the frozen

liver and organs and all that stuff. And I'm

like, oh, wait. I have a medical student on my

staff. So I can just ask him, and he can tell

him. OK, this is Batman. I assume any good martial

artist would have some concept of anatomy and

physiology. especially someone that is the world's

greatest detective. He would have taken anatomy

and physiology. So he would have known what the

histology of a liver cell would look like to

begin with, but he would also be familiar with

what happens to a frozen cell and the after effects

of that. So that's why in real life cryostasis

doesn't work too well. except in some very rare

animals. But, yeah, based on what his past is

and the training that he would have gone through,

he would have been able to identify that right

off the get -go. I think their question was more

of how can it be frozen? Because if you look

at the events of the Gordian thing being shot

down and then, you know... You would imagine

that it would be a warm body. Well, that plus

if you look at that event and then the fact that

oh well the Thanagarians are going to help us

and they start building this bypass Well, did

they build that and they and they bring this

up in World Sonnets podcast episode? I think

it's 77 yes 77 You know did they build that that

much of the bypass already in 24 hours since

the ship landed or since the ship crashed and

again how the hell did Batman get a hold of the

body and all this stuff, but Um, I think wasn't

he in the ship, or was he at the watchtower?

Uh, he was at the watchtower. Was he at the watchtower?

Oh, okay. Because Diana was there with him. Right,

oh, okay, yeah. Um, you know, I can't imagine,

even with the Flash doing all that work, that

it would be done in 24 hours. So I imagine there

must have been like a couple... Yeah, it had

to have been a couple of days. But yeah, the

Batman would have been able to get in and pull

some strings. I mean, if he could pull strings

to get Perry to put in Clark at... an event like

that rather than Lois. I imagine that he could

pull enough strings to even get them to get a

body to do an inspection. If Superman's backing

him, I imagine the government would be like,

yeah, okay, sure, go right ahead. What else you

got? Okay, so kryptonite beam. Holy crap. Yeah.

That was, and there was also kryptonite dust,

wasn't there? I don't remember the kryptonite

dust, I remember the kryptonite beam. Well no,

what I'm saying is, wasn't there dust residue

after the beam hit him? I'm not sure. Maybe I'm

thinking of a different episode. I remember an

episode where Superman gets hit with kryptonite,

some form of kryptonite, and it turns into like

this dust powder thing and Flash has to... Whirling

arm it away from him, but I don't I could be

making another episode. I think it's another

episode. Yeah Yeah, okay best scene out of this

not the best but one of the the top ones John's

very curious about the technology and he goes

to the foreman and she's like it's more best

you could understand it's nth metal and he's

like well What properties wouldn't I understand

the extreme energy conduction or this or that

and she's just like? God stopped. Yeah, I'm like,

yes you show him Yeah Yeah, the end Shaira you're

a cold bitch you really are which side do you

think I'm on? Yeah, I kind of did I've got just

An interesting note, actually. I wrote this down

quote for quote, going back to the coverage of

the press thing. Someone had to cover that sanitation

strike, and then you hear like a muffled voice

on the phone. Don't blame me, talk to Perry.

I looked on the DCAU wiki. That's not Dana Delaney

doing Lois Leighton's voice. It's on the phone.

It's Susan Eisenberg, voice of Wonder Woman.

Cause all you hear is rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I got this off the wiki as well, and I knew this

from the commentary. They mentioned that Hro

Talik is an anagram of Katarr Hall, who is the

real name of Silver Age Hawkman. Because they

were saying in the commentary in part three,

they couldn't make... They just... Well, DC wouldn't

let them. They wouldn't let them make the Hawkman

character... A villain? A villain, well... I

mean, they kinda make him redeemable at the end,

but not really, but they just would not allow

them to make Hawkman the out -and -out villain

with no redemption whatsoever, so they made a

Hawkman -like character. Unlike you, I don't

like Hawkgirl's uniform. It's ugly. I don't like

that at all. I just don't like it. I don't like

her standby uniform, honestly. Well, she looks

better in a dress, but we'll get to that in season

3 or 4. Anyway, actually, no, it's season 5,

we'll get to that. But anyway, um, World's Funniest

Podcast pointed this out. When Batman has his

disguise in the ship, hey look! Who is he supposed

to be? You don't know? Oh my god. Bad comic book

geek. Hey look, it's Alan Napier! Alan Napier,

for those that don't know, much like Lupus. was

the actor who played the nineteen sixties Alfred.

Oh god, that's why he looks familiar. The entire

time I was like, was that like one of the major

characters from like Batman? Let's see. Just

wait for the stretch of this first line. Eek!

It's a trap! No, wait, it's a double cross, holy

shit! Wrong alien species. Yes. Yes Who's you

already said it the whose side are you really

on don't you know fwap? And then the funny thing

after after that after that little scene it cuts

out to the credits the first thing I see the

last line I have hey That's a different mace

design on hot girls me Because it is it's not

it's not the same It's a it's a different design

on the mix. It is it just is So yeah, do we have

anything else on part one? That's all I got for

part one All right, let's why don't you take

it away with part two then? Okay in part two

the league is taken prisoner and transported

to a holding facility hot girl returns to the

mothership and Talek commands her on a job well

done, but his subordinate, Krager, is suspicious

about her symphonies with the League and the

humans. Smart man. The League manages to escape

the prison ship, which crashes into Metropolis.

The League decides to stay hidden. They will

need to discard their costumes and assume civilian

clothes. The Flash protests for secret identity

reasons, but Matt Bank cuts him off, saying that

he Always the detective has already found out

that Superman in Flash is alter egoist and then

reveals his own. John Wonder Woman and Lantern

do not have secret identities. The league splits

into pairs and makes their way towards Gotham

City to rendezvous at Wayne Manor. It's tricky

as the Thanagarians have figured out that they

disguise themselves as civilians and hold checkpoints

for city to city travel. This is Citizens Assist

Bruce and Diana. Hurotalek reveals his scars,

both mental and physical. Aboard the mothership,

Hurotalek reveals the Thanagarian's true plan.

The force field generator is actually a hyperspace

bypass generator, the last in a series of wormhole

relays that will allow the Thanagarians to bypass

the Gordanians' defenses and attack their homeworld

directly, finally ending the war. But in the

process, Earth will be destroyed. To the Thanagarians,

it's a sad but necessary sacrifice. Hawkerl,

however, is horrified. She tries to convince

Talak to build it on a desolate planet or moon,

but he says that it will throw off their calculations.

The League meets in the Batcave to puzzle out

why the Thinegarians are interested in Earth.

Hawkerl appears, giving them data on the project.

Batman accepts the information, then coldly orders

her out. Before she goes, she shares a private

moment with Jon, returning his power ring to

him. But Krager has planted a bug on Shayera,

allowing him to track her to the League's head

out. Thoughts good, sir? Well, again, I need

to point out that I watched this three -parter

twice. As I've said before, I have the Justice

League star -crossed -the -movie -single -disc

DC Kids Collection DVD, where it cuts up the

episode. It just fades to black on each episode

instead of going to credits, so it acts like

it's one whole film. Um and I I was watching

it and I watched the film taking the notes I

didn't watch the three -part episodes on the

on the on the complete series set So my first

bit him then squeezed it with her wonder thighs

That was a very charged moment I really I was

thinking, oh god, how far are they going to push

this? Yeah. But Diana was... She's learned a

lot about the land of man, I think. Yeah. Better

she watched a lot of action flicks. Damn, it

just goes to show you that Batman doesn't need

to use his hands, because after she frees him...

He just goes to kicking kicking people because

he his hands are still in the in the car. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, he's been trained. He had to

have gone through training for that. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. There must have been some martial arts

training because he was there was a scene where

he he back flipped something over someone or

jumped over someone in a flip. And in the process,

he actually brought the handcuffs and his arms

from behind him directly in front of him. Yes,

he did. um the lights lean on me damn it some

strange reason I want to hear that song now and

you said it before but I'll say it a little bit

better Wally West Clark Kent Bruce Wayne show

off right here it suits you you think change

now As a ginger, I was like, hey, well, he's

got red hair just like me. Sorry, don't be. Batman

the pimp. Yeah, exactly. And my final note for

this part was, okay, so there are very select

few that know Batman's secret identity, and secret

isn't all capital letters. And now this includes

a random restaurant owner? Oh. I would assume

that the restaurateur knows who Wonder Woman

is because it's been clearly stated before that

she has no secret identity plus in Maid of Honor

she is everywhere in her uniform outfit where

you know people recognize her and want her to

do this, want her to do that so I'm assuming

the restaurant owner recognized her and help

them because of that. But still, I mean, regardless.

No, it could not be Superman. Why? They both

got similar style builds, black hair. Oh, they

don't. Well, the black hair I'll give you. But

no, they do not have similar style builds. Superman's

chest is easily bigger than Batman's. I mean...

Maybe he thought he was the Flash. Rockman. Oh

God shut up fuck woman Anyways Yeah, but that's

all I have for this one. I really I really enjoy

this three -parter. I don't really have a whole

lot of notes for it on I think the most notes

I have is on the on the third part, but yeah,

you want to say anything else about this one

I mean it it's just so far the story is just

like wow yeah It just kicks your ass. My acid

has been kicked. Okay, so the first scene where

they're going through the jail and we've got

the red lit room for Superman to drain his powers.

The entire time I'm thinking Batman could definitely

get out of this. He's got to be formulating a

plan or something. But Diana beats him to the

punch and the legs squeeze. Knock out Let's see

Hawker was very tactically correct as long as

the Justice League was out of the public eye

and The public didn't think about them Then there

wasn't gonna be a problem. Yeah Keep them keep

them tied up. Don't let them get out. Not a problem.

She was totally Tactically correct and she was

a bitch for it How much damage could a discus

or in this case a plate, be done when it's thrown

by the Flash. Like, if he was really checking

that thing, he would have taken that Gart's head

off, clean off. Well, true, but I mean, again,

Superman can control his powers if he didn't.

Yeah, oh, I know that the Flash could do it,

but if he was really pushing himself, it just

made me think Destructor Disk from Dragon Ball

Z. Oh, God. Oh, and I'm loathe to say that because

I really hate Dragon Ball Z fans. So we get to

see Jaune in his alien form for a while. There's

a scene where Batman grabs a... So that the magic

mace we see a magic hammer and I was like, oh,

it's it's Thor. Wait a second. Well, no, it's

it's one of those. No, he had a he had some sort

of axe thing and he grabs the hammer and gives

it to Superman and says, here, use this. There's

a scene. He did knock out a guard with the hammer

first. Oh, OK. All right. OK. Yeah. Let's see.

How did this happen? How'd they escape? It's

the Justice League. That's what happens. I liked

Flash's comment about a little bit of optimism.

It just defines his character again as being

the true heart of the League. city -to -city

checking for identification i couldn't help but

think of nazi germany and papers that are your

papers uh... smooch in the back you know she's

been waiting for that uh... it's great to see

alfred it's been better to see alfred when he's

making one -liner quips which he does multiple

times in this episode. I've asked master bruce

to take out the trash Mind the glass, sir. Mind

the glass. How did Hot Girl know about the Batcave?

Well, again, it goes back to how did Batman know

who Hot Girl was. They set that up in Season

1. If Batman knows who Hot Girl was, then she

must have been here at least a little while before

the leaf formed. And by now, by the time Season

2 airs, we can... I guess we could safely say

that they've been together for five years, obviously.

No, we don't know that. Well, they specifically

- We know that she's been on the planet for five

years. Right, right. Doesn't mean that she suddenly

shows up and, oh, hey, let's go fight these aliens.

Yeah, yeah. I honestly don't know how she knows

where the Batcave is, but at the same time, almost

everybody knows where the Batcave is. Yeah, but

still it's kind of like, you know, it's not something

that it's just going to put in the computers.

True. I loved Superman's comment of, ooh, I'm

impressed. Now let's go wreck it. Yeah. What

are you going to do, throw a battering at it?

Wait, was that in this one? Yeah. Oh, it was.

Yeah. OK. Yeah. The flash pushing random buttons.

That's not helping. That's not helping. Okay,

so I had to ask. Batman, really you're going

to leave a charged freeze gun in your Batcave?

Really? Really? Honestly, no one really knows

if... Say you're a stranger and you stumble upon

the Batcave. You don't know if stuff is charged

or stuff is this or stuff is that. hell in batman

beyond they showed that i believe they showed

that uh... some of the other suits still had

items in them so i mean even though a lot of

people know where the bat cave is people just

don't go there i mean people just state they

just don't it's not a place in it's going during

into batman's mind you just don't want to go

there Let's see what else we have. OK, the scene

where Jaune is essentially psychically raping

Talek. Or Krueger. Sorry, Krueger. That's not

until the third part. I've got it for this one.

No, it's in the third part. Oh, god. My notes

are mixed in. OK. So let's go to the third part

then. All righty then. As soon as Shire returns

to the mothership, Krager has her arrested. He

plays the recording of her conversation with

the League for Herro, feeling both her treachery

and her affection for John. Herro is heartbroken,

but orders her locked up. I don't know if I made

a note about it, but technically, Krager copped

the feel. Cause Ro is like, well where did you

get this? On this holo cam that I planted on

her and he pulls off her chest piece. Or part

of her chest piece. The little hawk symbol thing.

That puts a whole new spin on what we have to

talk about with that. Yeah, I told you. Told

you so. Alright, so, Kragger leads a strike team

to Wayne Manor to eliminate the League. Fully

powered now, they beat back the attack and take

several prisoners. Unfortunately, Jaune is unable

to figure out how to pilot Kragger's ship, so

he goes deeper and deeper into his mind to find

out. However, Kragger's mental defenses, manifesting

in the form of Hawks, attack Jaune, and his wounds

appear on his body in reality. He is able to

topple the mental flame inside Kragger gaining

the information he sought while leaving Kragger

catatonic. Batman is in command of their strategy.

Superman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern attack

the command ship to shut down the force field

protecting the hyperspace generator. Batman,

Flash, and John infiltrate the Watchtower using

the strike team's shuttle and with John masquerading

as Kragger and incapacitate the occupation. the

occupational force. Batman explains that he plans

to take the Watchtower out of orbit and use it

as a missile to destroy the generator. He and

the others load the unconscious Thanagarians

into the escape pods, but Batman launches the

pod with himself staying behind, saying that

he has to guide the tower in manually. Gentlemen,

it's been an honor. While Superman and Wonder

Woman battle the Thanagarian Fighters, Lantern

breaks into the ship to reach the forcefield

controls, Talaki's waiting for him, wanting revenge

for his stolen love. As Wonder Woman fights her

way through another part of the ship, she passes

Hot Girl's cell. I should leave you to burn,

she says, but releases her. The generator complete,

the Thanagarians begin the activation to open

the hyperspace gate. The Watchtower travels down

through the atmosphere. As the heat increases,

the tower begins to break up. Hearing where Batman

is, Superman breaks off from the battle and flies

to intercept him. In the control room, Lantern

fights hard against Talak, but loses and is knocked

out. Talak erases his battle axe for the kill,

but Hot Girl appears, telling him to stop. He

attacks her, and they battle even more ferociously.

He beats her, and she begs him for the sake of

us not to kill Earth's innocents. He gives her

the almost deadly shock and then tells her there

is no us anymore, Shiera. He then throws her

to the ground, just a fallen traitor and a soldier

with a job to do. Lantern regains his consciousness

and attacks Talak again, but is very weak. As

Talak punches him, Lantern taunts him and enrages

Talak, swings his axe and inadvertently hits

the shield surrounding the force field. Control.

resulting in an explosion. He is knocked out

and the shield drops, allowing Lantern Westshire's

help to deactivate the force field. Superman

streaks after the Watchtower as Batman, overcome

by the heat and smoke, finally passes out. Superman

breaks in and pulls him free just before it hits,

destroying the generator. Aboard the ship, Lantern,

Hot Girl, and Wonder Woman are confronted by

more Thanagarian soldiers, but Hro orders them

to stand down. Their mission has failed. And

there is no point in fighting anymore. The Thanagarian

forces leave Earth and abandoning Hot Girl. At

Wayne Manor, Hot Girl waits while the League

debates whether to allow her to remain. Alfred

tells her that regardless of what the others

decide, he still considers her a hero. In the

conference room, Flash and Wonder Woman are the

strongest for for and against votes respectively.

John is also sympathetic and Superman wants to

trust her but warns that there is great risk

in doing so. John is silent. Ultimately Batman

realizes that they are just going in circles

and says that they should just vote. Superman

is about to announce the League's decision but

Hot Girl interrupts him saying that She's resigning

from the Justice League and she goes as she goes

John John and Superman say that that's their

duty to rebuild the league Outside Wayne Manor

John asks hot girl where she'll go now And she

says she isn't sure but that she wants to be

somewhere where the world isn't resting on her

shoulders She tells him that she never lied about

one thing she does love him. She flies away leaving

him to say. I love you, too Thoughts oh Okay,

Jaune scares me. Jaune scares everybody. Jaune,

no, this is, oh god, the thought of a psychic

rape like that just really bothers the hell out

of me. Get that information somehow. Yeah, I

agree, but it's, to see the lengths that he would

go through. Do we want to jump onto the whole,

what we saw in that sequence? Well, my first

more of when she flies out of the Batcave. It

was, hey, how does Shaira know a secondary entrance

to the Batcave? What the fuck? And then my other

head was... Krager clearly wants Shire out of

the way. It's even shown when Jean breaks into

his mind with Shire's head crumbled at Krager

and Hiro's feet. So... would you say that that

imagery was slightly homosexual? It could be

construed that way. See, at first that might

have clipped in my head. And then when you look

at the Thanagarians, when you look at how they're

portrayed in this. Visually, there's a lot of

Egyptian -styled imagery. So you definitely can

see, I guess, when you think about the two statues

that would be pharaoh and pharaohess, or multiple

pharaohs. If you were to look at as you said,

um That he does kind of cop a feel with Shay

air by grabbing the recording device and chess

piece mm -hmm And this is kind of getting cyclical

book, but stay with me. Okay, so you've got Him

blatantly copying a feel in front of everyone

including her betrothed His complete Loyalty

to pro. The grabbing of her could have been used

as a power play to put her in his place and try

to show dominance and maybe in some way it could

be like he really does have a thing for pro and

he wants to show her out of the picture so that

he can try to move in. That's entirely possible.

It's also entirely possible that he sees her

as higher up in the the command structure, which

we see when she comes in and says, you're in

my way. And he says likewise. Yeah. So I mean,

maybe there is some some subtext there. Maybe

the subtext is also that he just wants her out

of the way from a military standpoint and trying

to cement his second command. I'd say it's a

bit of both. Yeah. I mean, it's entirely possible.

And I never would have thought about if you hadn't

said anything You know, I wanted to bring it

up and we brought it up off air because You've

said in the past that that that you are gay So

I you know, I didn't want to offend anybody as

much as you know, I usually normally offend people

anyway so I you know, I just wanted to get your

thoughts on it and and and figure out what what

it could possibly mean, and I think we're both

in agreement that it could mean either one or

it could be a little bit of both. I think that's

something we should ask Mr. Tim if we ever get

the opportunity. Yeah, I haven't worked on that

one yet, but I will in the future. That's just

one of those, it's not a big thing, but it probably

got me curious. Yeah, it's just one of those

nitpicks that people can read too much into.

And I saw it as, now that I'm thinking about

it, I saw it as a little bit of both. I believe

in the commentary. Bruce Tim said something about

a lot of people missed the fact that the hot

girl statue is at their feet and they're standing

side by side. And it was something about Because

Kroger wants to be close to her oh or something

I I don't know I I'd have to go back and watch

the commentary to make sure I was getting those

words correct, but because I don't actually remember

it but You know it's just one of those little

nitpicky things I guess it's it's one of those

like it could go either way, and it's really

Curious like are we looking too far into it is

are we not looking for enough? Yeah What else?

We get to see poor Alfred again, stuck cleaning

up everything, getting the lasers shot at him

by the Flash. We need to also bring up that this

is the last appearance of Alfred in the DCAU.

Oh, which sucks, because he's such a cool character.

Well, I know, but I think that this being the

last appearance of Alfred in the DC animated

universe, He goes out with a bang. Oh, yeah,

he went out with a good good showing That whole

scene with him and hot girl talking back and

forth and him giving the advice even though he

says I'm neither a superhero nor soldier Um,

yeah, you were a soldier in your past life or

near in your younger years or whatever from some

continuities he is Yeah What else you got let's

see This the scene where they're getting ready

to fight John and pro Yeah, and he walks you

see him in the shadows and all you see are the

two glowing eyes And he walks out of the shadows

and you can tell he's pissed but oh you mean

the cave Yeah, we are when he's yeah, that was

Craig or her wasn't there, but it was Craig or

he goes he goes Craig goes they're hiding here

somewhere and then and then you see and then

i know you don't even see you here john say all

through hiding and you see his eyes and then

you see him i believe i got an image i got a

screen cap of him still in the dark but you can

see his lantern symbol in his eyes so i'll have

to look for that and see that so much that's

going to be cool yes yes once just all and like

i i was my first time out there john was gonna

have glow -in -the -dark eyes because of the

being so in tune with the lantern energies yeah

I thought that was pretty gay I mean yes it's

even coming for me but that was that was that

was lame like now it's younger I'm like that's

pretty stupid but at this one scene I truly like

as I've come through a guy I appreciate it more

but now I'm just kind of like wow that's holy

crap that's really just it floored me Yeah, well

Bruce Tim mentions that and it's not in this

commentary But he mentions on some of the special

features on the season 1 season 2 set or in the

season 1 season 2 discs in the complete series

that You know, honestly, it wasn't purposefully

that they picked the black green lantern. It

was just something that they were going for diversity

as far as you know being diverse with the cast

and any hell if you look at hot girl maria canalis

is slightly hispanic so that she has that slight

hispanic twins to her voice you take hero who

is played by victor rivers who is his voice is

you can tell he's hispanic And there's nothing

wrong with that, but they were just going for

different voice inflections. As far as John,

they said that, well, what cool gimmick can we

give him that shows that he's had this power

for a while? He's had the Green Lantern Ring

for a while, and he's done all this stuff. Well,

why don't we infuse... Like, he's been wearing

the ring so long that the energy has just infused

into his body. Into his entire body, not just...

not just his eyes. And that's why the whole eye

thing works, I guess. Well, there's different

effects for different Green Lanterns as well.

Like, okay, I know you don't like me saying them,

but the coolest thing that I like about Guy Gardner's

ring is he's a ring slinger. He uses his ring

constantly. You know, if he's flying through

space, he will conjure two bikini -clad girls

feeding him food while he's laying down on the

couch. Mean this is the type of guy that will

use his ring constantly and it's gotten to the

point where his ring just sparks All the time

because it's ready to go. It's so linked in with

him. So it makes sense for someone like him who

uses his He does use his mind a lot to build

his constructs if we see in the comics from the

inside out like he specializes in the architecture

of things and makes things more solid when he

builds them from the analytical nature of his

character yeah I guess it does make sense with

his eyes to analyze stuff and comes through that

way that's the other thing with with this episode

this was the first this three -parter was the

first one where they actively used constructs

you had the drill you had the shield We'll talk

about the other weapon in a little while when

I make my note about it. Yeah. What else? You

got anything else for this part? Yeah. I guess

I've got another page. Oh, really? Yeah. OK.

Batman's Electrified Brass Knuckles. It's the

second time we've seen it, and it's so cool.

I want a pair. You know what my note about that

was? What's that? Electro Punch Batman. I want

that toy. Okay, so you think Batman would have

learned from the whole episode with Aquaman,

that story arc, he's doing the sociopathic sacrificing

himself to make a martyr thing again. The same

schtick. He wouldn't learn from when he needed

Green Lantern to shield him from radiation. We

totally see... All the team just go out and kick

ass against the Armada. Superman and Wonder Woman.

They were just ripping everybody to shreds, even

Jaune. Well, the thing with Wonder Woman, ooh,

she has a BFG, because she rips the big fucking

gun out of the ship. And she's just like, bam,

bam, bam, bam, this is fun, bam, bam, bam. They

mention in the commentary that, you know, honestly,

Wonder Woman... uh... it could is possibly the

most powerful justice leader because they say

in the commentary i think it was dwayne mcduffey

that brought it up that you know for every for

every ten guys the just the rest of justly takes

out she takes out twice that she's just as well

almost as well and global superman all you can

take a beating she's not a mean uh... week to

magic i'll bring this up here because i thought

it was really funny Any last words? Yeah, you

can kiss my ex. That was such a good little comment.

Yep. Oh god, what else? She gets another magic

mace. That's always good. Okay, the effect of

taking a huge satellite, because that's what

it is, and plunging it into the earth. Into that

I remind you it wasn't the Gobi Desert, but can

you imagine what that's gonna do to like the

cool just the global impact of that? well All

that sand is going straight up into the atmosphere.

Oh, yeah Well plus think of Batman's decreasing

profit margin. Oh God true Well, he did say in

the beginning of the series in secret origins

when Clark asked how much it costs Well, no,

he didn't even say that he said Superman asked

him how you know, how did you get this past year?

investors Bruce a lion item in the aerospace

R &D Diana being the true Amazon and just who's

next? Yeah, that line was awesome Yeah, Alfred

putting everything into perspective which we

already covered that It seemed very... I want

to say Shakespearean. When you think about how

some things Shakespeare did where in the end

of the story only specific types of people, not

the kings, not the people with power, but the

common man sitting there and making the last

comments. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And he gives really

good advice. He does. And then I wrote down...

well we know how wonder woman voted yeah and

then the next notice all flash he's the heart

of the league well it's not even just that okay

set that set set that aside for a second okay

technically they've been setting up this whole

brother sister thing with with with him and and

hot girl uh... and that will come back when we

go unlimited as well but uh... Flash in the beginning,

and I think it was said before by us or by Mike

and James over at WFP, you know, in the beginning

of the series, he's just hitting on everything

that moved. And he kind of stopped hitting on

Hot Girl, and it's become more of a brother -sister

thing, which I actually like a little bit better.

You know, I never noticed that until you actually

did say. Yep. So, wow, yeah. Well, it'll most

definitely come up in, is it Panic in the Sky

or Divided We Fall? Yeah. It'll definitely come

up in the episode, Divided We Fall. I'll point

that out to you then, though. I'm going to be

looking for it now. Yep. But yeah, that just

that one scene where you know he forgave her.

Yeah, yeah. And you could tell how hard he was

trying to convince everybody. Yep, very much

so. It was honestly really heartbreaking. Yes,

yes it was. But yeah, that's all I've got. Yeah,

that's all I've got, too. So I think we are going

to, um... I think we're gonna go to, uh, some

other... maybe some quotes or something. Uh,

we're looking for Bruce Wayne. We're friends.

Of course. Master Bruce is expecting you. This

way please. So Jeeves, do you come with the place

or does Master Bruce rent you just for parties?

I've been in service here since the Master was

in diapers. Now there's a picture. Your guests

have arrived, sir. You're late. Nice to see you

too. Hey, that's a giant dinosaur! And I thought

Batman was the detective. We were just speculating

why the Thanagarians are really here. Obviously

not to protect us. But if the Gordanians aren't

actually anywhere near Earth, why do they need

to build that force field? If it is a force field...

Then what is it? I can tell you. You've got a

lot of nerves showing up here. We should thank

you. It saves us having to hunt you down. I didn't

come to fight. I came to help. Hawk people all

over the planet? Martial law? Us getting chased

like dogs? I don't think we could take much more

of your help. The situation is worse than you

think. They're building a hyperspace bypass.

When it's activated, it'll destroy the planet

and everything on it. Here, this has all the

information on the project. Believe me, I didn't

know the magnitude of Talak's plans. We'll check

it out. There's the door. Aren't you going to

turn your back on me too? Last time I let my

guard down, you sucker punched me. It wasn't

personal. Keep telling yourself that. I did what

I thought was right then, and that's what I'm

doing now. Genius. Yeah, I'm impressed. Let's

go wreck it. How? It's behind a force field.

A force field controlled from the command ship.

Go shut it down. I'll take care of the generator.

That thing's the size of a city. What are you

gonna do, throw a Batarang at it? Something like

that. Good heavens! Spread out. They're hiding

here somewhere. Let's use our inside voice. Tails,

I win! I want you, Superman, and Wonder Woman

to go to the command ship and shut down the force

field. And the rest of us? You're going to help

me retake the watchtower. It's crawling with

Thanagarian soldiers. How are you planning on

getting inside? With that. Alright, so, um, yeah,

we're pretty much done with Justice League, and

I ripped out the special DVD audio from the single

disc Star -Crossed film, uh, Hawkman, from comics

to cartoon. So you will hear that next. Our original

intention was to actually use the actual Hawkman

character from the comics. We wanted to use the

name Hawkman, we wanted to use his Thanagarian

name, which is Cator Hall. While he wasn't an

out and out villain, he was definitely not...

what you would consider a heroic character. He

was somewhat of a bad guy. Hero Tallak is a Hawkman.

We can't say that he's definitively the DC Hawkman

that everybody has known over the years. The

solution that we came up with was to make him

a Hawkman -like character but not actually be

Hawkman. We never refer to him as Hawkman. His

costume isn't identical to any Hawkman that has

ever been in the comics. Our guy is basically

the same guy only if he had stayed on Thanagar

and become a warrior. instead of coming to earth

and, you know, marrying Hawke Girl and becoming

a detective. But it's basically the same guy.

Rotalik is an anagram of Katar Hall. There have

been so many different versions of Hawkman in

the comics. They kind of rebooted the character

and kind of came up with a new origin for him

and used a slightly different Hawkman. And at

one point, Hawkman was a reincarnation of an

Egyptian god. And at another point, he was, you

know, There'd been so many different versions

of him, you know, he was a detective. No, he

was a museum curator. No, he was this, he was

that. So you could pick and choose, you know,

ten different versions of Hawkman to be in our

cartoon. I think that Hawkman ranks extremely

high amongst important DC heroes and DC legends.

This guy's been around for years and his legend

begins... Back before a lot of the characters

we think of as being possibly even more famous

than him. There was a version called Hawk World

that had a very military approach and we sort

of drew from that. I've read all the stuff. You

know, I've been reading comics for years and

I like Hawkman quite a bit. This guy is coming

a lot more from a military point of view though.

You know, he's got a job to do. There are a lot

of lies defended on him. He's gonna get it done

and he's not gonna let you get in the way. Average

Nathanagar and the Hawkman type character are

somewhat different than they are in the comics.

There's still a lot of things that are still

very true to the spirit of the comic. The original

Hawkman's costume is one of the great superhero

costumes in the history of the medium. And they

just sort of came in and topped it, you know.

I think ours is a close to a version of Hawkman

that's existed in the comics, so we didn't stray

too far. The general motif is there, the helmet

is basically the same, the wings are the same.

A guy with wings, what could be better than that?

One thing that always bothered me in the comic

books about Hawkman, though, was that he had

these really cool wings, but they weren't real

wings. They were sort of like these strap -on

things that didn't flap and that floated and

all of that. And from my point of view, I wanted

a Hawkman who was a real hawk. And so we made

sure that when we did our version of the Vanagarians

that they had real wings. At first glance, when

you look at anyone with wings, they don't quite

look that formidable. So when the designing Hawkman,

we took that into account and tried to make sure

he came off as more of a warrior type, a more

tough, in charge kind of guy. So we kind of went

a little bit away from the feather headdress

and the bare chest and so we emphasized armor

and the weapons and just his whole attitude was

a lot more threatening. He's pretty tough. As

you'll note, the Thanagarians make very powerful

weapons. Hawkerl has a mace, but soon as everybody

on the ship's got something at least that tough.

Wro is the leader of those guys. He's probably

the best fighter on the ship. He's certainly

the smartest. He had no problem defending himself

against the Power Ring, which is one of the most

powerful weapons in our continuity. So he's tough.

I gotta say, Hawkman vs. Green Lantern comics

is about a three second fight. Green Lantern

just smushes him. Grows quite a bit more powerful

than Hawkman. He's kind of a classic anti -hero.

Not exactly a good guy, not exactly a bad guy.

He has elements of both and I think it makes

him an interesting character. Humans working

as slaves? Unfortunate, but necessary. We are

on an unforgiving schedule. I like the version

we have chosen to do of Hawkman, because he's

a little edgier. The Hawkman from the comics

tends to be a nice guy, which, you know, he's

a superhero, he has to be, but ours is a lot

more conflicted about his duty and his role with

Hawkgirl, as far as just being he's in love with

her, but he's got a job to do. In the comics,

They were just either already dating and you

watched them do that or they were already married.

It was kind of tame. So I like the tension that

we've set up with the two characters. When we

first cast Hawke Girl, for instance, way back

when, when we were casting for the Justice League

series, I had suggested we might look into casting

actresses who had a slight accent and Maria Canales

came in and she's Hispanic and she has just a

very very faintest accent. This was a military

mission. I'd sworn an oath of secrecy and I couldn't

tell anyone. Sorry, but not even you. It's very,

very light. So that kind of informed our casting

decisions on for the rest of the Thanagarians.

There was an actor that I've always been fond

of in his work. His name is Victor Rivers. And

he's a very exotic -looking man. And he also

is Hispanic and has a very interesting quality

to his voice. Take a strike squad back to the

surface. Search every house, every building.

Look under every rock. Find them. Victor Rivers,

again, he had played with us in the past. He

had played a number of different parts on the

Batman Beyond show, like guest villains and things

like that. I think Victor did such a fine job

of finding both the military strength in this

character and then just letting us peek into

the emotional side and the emotional feelings

he has for Hawkeye. I always enjoyed the surprises

we kind of throw at people about what they perceive

a character to be and then throw a twist on it.

So, no, it wasn't what I would have expected

when I first found out we were going to do a

Hawkman show, but it worked out very well. Watching

this show come together has been a long time

in the coming for long time comics fans. You

know, knowing that that sort of history is coming

full circle is a huge payoff for kids like me.

Hopefully people will come away thinking that

Hawkman is a powerful character. who was doing

his duty and will understand that he's not a

bad guy. DC Comics made the right call. We changed

the character enough so that he really is not

the Hawkman from the comics. He's not the Ketar

Hall character. I think the story wouldn't have

worked as well if he had been, if we had literally

called him Ketar Hall and called him Hawkman.

So he's definitely a loose adaptation of that

character, but he's not a strict interpretation

of that character. Okay, well as I said before

we're pretty much done with season 2 The next

episode you will hear is episode 12, which will

be the final thoughts on season 2 Overall it

was one hell of a bang to end the the season

as well as possibly the series. Yeah, just wow

I agree. Yes, just just wow Um, so I guess thank

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reporting. In a stunning turn of events, the

Thanagarian forces have ended their occupation

of Earth, departing for locations unknown. Once

again, the world owes a debt of gratitude to

the selfless heroism of the Justice League. You

never asked how we vote? It doesn't matter. So,

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