Season 1 Recap

The Secret Origins Podcast, Episode 6. Hello

and welcome to episode six of the Secret Origins

Podcast. I am your host, TFJ1Mike, and joining

me is Zombie Lucid, Lupus Convoy. Zombie and

Lucid don't exactly go together. Yeah, Zombie

Lucid, Lupus Convoy, and it doesn't, no. Brains

and Visions, Brains and Visions. How are you,

sir? Well, I'm zombified, apparently. Yeah, raring

to go. Uh -huh. So what have you been up to?

How are you doing good, sir? I don't know. Doing

all right. You know, just doing the podcasting

thing and all that happy stuff. What have you

been up to? Prepping for the next semester of

school. Wait, isn't it almost summer break time?

Yeah. I have to submit for summer and fall if

I want to get into the classes that I want now.

Oh, OK. My degree program is insanely competitive.

Yeah, I bet. I believe there's about 200 students

that apply for 30 seats in the program every

year. Oh, good lord. That means 170 people are

going to be SOL. And people get priority based

on how long they've been waiting to get into

the program and their grades and other intrinsic

factors, so. Oh. Yeah. So I'm choosing some very

safe courses that I need and ones that will be

ones that will help me towards my master's degree

later on and it's a sit and wait program right

now. I'm too old for school. That's what I thought.

I'm just too old for school. Like I don't mind

learning new things like through life, but just

having to get up and go to it. I'm too old for

that crap. That's why we have online courses.

I know, but I'm still too old for that. I'm too

lazy for that crap, I'll tell you that right

now. Did you get anything interesting in the

mail this week? Why, yes I did. I ended up with

the complete metal -cased series of Justice League.

And it was shiny and nice and thank you so much.

My other half actually picked it up and went,

this is a nice case. And then started hefting

it and touching it and then embracing it and

going, this is a really nice case. See? I don't

think you're keeping this. No, no. You know,

you had mentioned to me off air last time we

recorded, when we recorded episode five, that

you weren't sure how you were going to Uh, watch

season 2 once we start that and I'm like, oh

god. Seriously, Warner Brothers, what's up with

you? Well, I'm like, oh god, I know he's not

gonna go out and buy it himself. And you had

mentioned before that your other half said that

you guys are pretty much an all Blu -ray family

and I don't think this is ever coming out on

the complete series. I don't think it's coming

out on Blu -ray anytime soon. So I said screw

it, I went to Amazon and I freaking bought another

one. It's a complete tease for a company to sit

there and go, okay, we're gonna produce season

one And you know release it and then like you

see a pre -order page for it on Amazon for season

two and you're all excited and you're waiting

and waiting and waiting and Then you realize

the year has gone by and you're like, wow, this

kind of sucks So where is it? You know waiting

for dark oil season two season three, you know,

it's probably the thing where maybe this see

they What pisses me off about the Warner Brothers

DCAU DVDs is that they will only add one or two

extra things like that Season 1 Blu -ray. There

is only one additional feature on there other

than the fact that it's on a Blu -ray disc. As

far as special features, maybe the sales for

that didn't do very well. That's maybe why they

haven't put the rest of them out on Blu -ray

yet. Damn it if you're gonna start something

like that and you commit to starting that finish

it off Come on The tin case makes up for it.

It does still I really wanted to save The DVD

case stuff review for when we find when we end

this show, but I must point out on on season

one that there are a lot of inconsistencies with

season one and season two of Justice League as

far as the DVDs go. I've got the booklet here,

and it does have a nice little forward from Bruce

Timm. I'm not going to read this, but those of

you who bought this will have read it inside

the booklet. On the disc, I think it's three

or... Disc four. Excuse me. I'm dying over here.

Medic! Oh, wait. Crap. Exactly. You are the medic.

I can't reach! Damn you, AT &T. The two -part

episode, A Night of Shadows. In the booklet,

they call it A Night with Shadows. So there's

a... misconception there, and this is on season

one. Here's a little programming note for season

two. Once we get to... Sorry about this, folks.

I'm looking through this book as we do this.

Once we get to the reviews of Hereafter and Secret

Society... In the booklet they list on disc seven

hereafter parts one and part two is the final

two episodes of disc seven and then on disc eight

they List in the booklet secret society parts

one and part two is the first two episodes of

disc eight that is actually wrong secret society

part one and part two are on disc seven as the

last episodes and hereafter is on disk eight

so the booklet is is wrong they were wrong when

they were season releases as well I don't know

why they did that it it's gotta just be a misprint

um however we will be rev when we get to those

episodes we will review them secret society and

then hereafter because that's the air date order

that they were you know production air date whatever

order that they were supposed to be in oh boy

uh... what else would you like to talk about

in this little intro this is such a shiny set

it is and did you notice the detailing on the

actual logo on the front if you like it if you

take the actual dvd cases out it's embossed because

you can see that yeah i like the purple and hot

girls logo that's awesome on the back of it i

love that you know it almost looks like a book

Really because if you think about it when you

put the two DVD cases inside of it, and you put

it on your shelf like just Like facing the way

it's supposed to face It looks like a giant freaking

book It's so awesome. I seriously dig it. I pulled

it back out. I'm just like The cover of it If

you're holding it up and looking at the metal

case, you've got the Trinity on the front and

then the rest of the initial seven in the back.

Yeah, you know, when I posted pics, when I first

heard about this, I posted pics over at Earth2

.net, their forms, and people were asking me,

well, why the hell is Red Tornado, Dr. Fate,

Aquaman, Green Arrow, the Atom? Why are they

on the second volume's disc? Well, Green Arrow

discs play a big part in the other, at least

in the initial story arc. Yeah, once we go unlimited,

he will. My only explanation for the other characters,

because the only two characters from the original

seven that are on the second volume are GL and

John Jones. The atom plays a central role later

on. Red Tornado gets a cameo, I guess you could

say. Here, Peg. Okay, well, so yeah, that, but

he also, I forget which episode it is, it's one

of the Lex Luthor episodes later on, where, oh,

the return in Unlimited, where Amazo returns.

and he just splits Red Tornado in half. It's

a good thing he's a robot. That's the sucky thing

about being an android or a robot in one of these

series. There's nothing against Robogoar. No.

And like I said, Dr. Fate... It was pretty much,

you know, he had a few essential stories. Aquaman

essentially could have been an eighth member.

I believe Bruce Timm and company had said that

Green Arrow could have been an eighth member.

They, you know, if they wanted to go eight people,

they actually, Bruce Timm has said on the DVD

features that he had loved Hot Girl so much that

it was a tie between... It was a toss -up between

Hot Girl and Green Arrow. Green Arrow could essentially

have been the seventh member. But they wanted

to... Well, they wanted to give it diversity.

Are you protesting over there? You don't like

Green Arrow? No, I'm not saying that at all.

I mean, in the current... Okay, I finished off

Black Snipe. But yeah, going back and reading

some old comics and stuff, it's like Green Arrow

is a really badass character. I really like Ollie.

I just, I don't see how well that would have

worked. That's also because I totally love Hot

Girl. Yeah, it works where they brought him in

though. It so totally works where they brought

him in. But I don't see it could work in, you

know, I don't see it working in this first or

even the second season. I wanted to point out

something that, well actually, We're gonna go

to some special feature audio that you will hear

and we will come back with our actual thoughts

on Season one of Justice League Hey everybody,

welcome to inside the Justice League. I'm Jason

Hillhouse with me this evening is Bruce Tim Dan

Reba James Tucker and Rich Fogel. We're going

to get the inside scoop on what went into Justice

League Season 1. Your questions, my questions,

their questions. Discussions are going to happen

starting now. Working together, we saved the

planet. And I believe that if we stayed together

as a team, we would be a force that could truly

work for the ideals of peace and justice. How

did you guys decide that, okay, after Batman

Beyond and Batman Superman, Batman Beyond, And

Justice League seemed to be kind of the next

evolutionary step. Chop security. Probably going

all the way back to Batman and then certainly

after we'd done the Superman show, we got that

question a lot from the fans was, you know, when

are you going to do Justice League next? There

was a lot of interest in doing the Justice League.

Since time immemorial, people have just loved

to have their heroes team up for some reason.

I don't know why, but they do. And I'm on record

as being kind of hesitant about doing it just

because I knew how difficult the show it would

be to do and I was right. Something that we couldn't

have done any earlier because the technology

wouldn't have been there for it. It was a learning

curve for us to figure out how to do bigger and

better set pieces. It was different in terms

of the way we approached the stories. It was

different in the way that we approached the characters.

And all the things we'd learned along the way,

suddenly we had to up them. ten times. Staging

action for Batman or one or two characters and

suddenly you have seven, you know, at least five

at any given time. How are you going to come

up with a story every week that is going to challenge

that group? And it was tough. And you've got

a finite number of really mega -villains in the

DC Comics roster who can literally, realistically

take on the Justice League. One of the things

that's hard about the Justice League as a group

was that these are not characters, by and large,

that were created to go together. And to find

a way to mix that together so that they were

a cohesive unit that worked together and that

they didn't overlap each other too much in terms

of powers. My home Thanagar is a warlike world.

There, one must strike first. That seventh spot

could have been Hawkman, or the Atom, or Aquaman,

or whoever else you want to name. And of all

those candidates, we thought Hawk Girl was the

most interesting, and I think, you know... And

again, throw another girl in the group, and that

shakes it up a little bit, yeah. Because, I mean,

everybody can't be crushing on Wonder Woman.

That's right. In Brightest Day, in Blackest Night.

No evil shall escape my sight. The Green Lantern

wasn't a hard decision to make though because

of the fact that in the mythology... there are

a whole bunch of Greenlanders and so we didn't

feel like we needed to make a huge explanation

of it. I think in the case of Justice League

we ignored a lot of that continuity. For the

first season we made a deliberate decision to

not have any of their supporting characters because

we didn't have the time to play with them and

we wanted to really establish that the Justice

League was its own show. In order for the chemistry

in our group to work we really needed to initially

jettison all of the supporting characters from

the other things so that it forced the heroes

to interact with each other. Why do we have to

ride in this rust bucket? What's wrong with your

ring? Lady, the galaxy's a big place. I need

my navicomputer to find Warworld. He's got a

point. Great, take his side. I'm not taking his

side, I'm just saying - I'm wrong again. You

guys, um, for this show I know, Saturn actually

did kind of plot out and created more or less

a Bible, right? Like, in terms of, like, you

knew kind of the Hawke Girl situation going in.

Yes. We planned the Hawke Girl thing from day

one, yeah. Right. In the Bible, because we knew

we were going to be using the Bible for publicity

purposes, we actually wrote a fake backstory

for her. Right. It was a disinformation campaign

on Hawke Girl. And we didn't have the whole betrayal

story completely figured out yet, but we did

know from early on that she was going to fall

in love with Green Lantern, that they were going

to have a romance, and that she was going to

betray the league. Everybody expected... us to

team Superman and Wonder Woman because that's

the sort of more obvious way to go. But why would

we do that? Because Superman's gonna be with

Lois. I don't understand. No, it's not a good

choice. Fans are so busy. It's not a good choice.

That's what people think, like the two strongest

people get together. It's like the high school

quarterback and the cheerleaders. So it's sort

of like working against the grain that sort of

helped make that spark. And that idea actually

came from Paul Levitz. Paul Levitz, a DC Comics

guy, he's the publisher of DC Comics. How much

of that is dictating, like, here's the parameters,

this is the version of Aquaman we need to do.

They're pretty good about letting us do what

we want to do. They're pretty open to different

interpretations of their characters. They did

not insist that we use the hook -handed, long

-haired Aquaman. That was something we, our own

initiative, went to. Yeah, I think I just doodled

a sketch. I mean, our version is slightly different

than what they were doing, because at the time,

they were doing basically, Aquaman was King Arthur,

and we were thinking, he's a barbarian. What's

taking so long? I must return to Atlantis. Sit

tight, Your Highness. We'll tell you when it's

safe to go. You presume too much. Whatever, there's

a chance to throw in a comic book reference.

And get away with it not looking too geeky. And

hopefully you do it in such a way that if you

don't get the joke, it doesn't take you out of

the show. A good idea is a good idea no matter

where it comes from. And we would be making more

work for ourselves if we went out of our way

to ignore the things in the comic books. Allow

us to introduce ourselves. Justice Guild, roll

call. Catman. Black Siren. Green Guardsman. Tom

Turbine. The Streak. Let's get this. Painful

part out of the way everybody The most painful

part of this out of the way Favorite episode

season one. It's easy for me. What's your favorite?

Legend's part one. This can't be real Tell me

about it. I almost busted a gut during that roll

call routine. It's not that it's the Justice

Guild They're comic book characters. The animation

on that is particularly good and I designed half

of the models for that show. And it was a really

audaciously comic booky show. Can't you work

any faster? Maybe Enemy Below. I had an idea

that the whole court intrigue story would be

almost Shakespearean in the way that it played

out and the motives of the villains and things

like that. Let's see your identity papers now!

Sorry, but my identity's a secret. Chicks dig

that whole man a mystery thing. Well, they picked

my two favorite ones, but... Not really, actually.

Savage Time in part two, I think, because I never

really thought we'd be able to do a World War

II story. It was kind of a forbidden subject.

You just didn't deal with it. And we found a

way to deal with it and do it in a fantasy way

and get the Blackhawks in there. Rega meets his

greatest foe, the man from Krypton. Were there

any that people just didn't respond to? Everybody

hated Warworld. The problem with Warworld all

comes down to the end of it. Absolutely. At one

time, we had Superman kicking everybody's butt.

You came in and said, we've seen Superman kick

people's butt before. Let's do something different.

Well, they shouldn't have had Dragan in the story

if we really... Well, you know, here's the thing.

That brings up a good point, too. Season one,

we got called on the carpet for making Superman

a wimp. Yeah. Guilty. Guilty as charged. We didn't

know we were doing it. We were actually kind

of using it as a kind of a dramatic crutch early

on. It's like, oh well hey, if Superman can get

taken down really, you know, right away, well

then now this is a really bad threat and now

the rest of everybody else is all in trouble.

We didn't realize it had become like a recurring

gag until we started getting the internet comments

and everybody's saying, wait a minute, why is

Superman such a wimp now? And it's like... Oh,

you know what? There is a pattern. This watchtower

will act as an early warning system for detecting

other threats of invasion from space. And it

also has a fully stocked kitchen. Ice mocha?

I always think of season one as kind of our shakedown

cruise. We were working really hard and it was

a hard show to do. But on the other hand, I think

just the enormity of the project was kind of

daunting and we kind of let it cow us a little

bit. We kind of let it intimidate us to the point

where we made mistakes based on fear. Well, and

also, this was the first show where I think we

let the style of the show take a back seat. That

was a conscious decision which I think was a

mistake. And it was, yeah. And we eventually

corrected that. And we thought this was a way

of making it more real world. Because of the

more superhero -like things that were happening

in the show, we felt that we should ground the

show in a little bit more of a believable reality.

Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it. As always,

it's been a real treat for me. Thank you for

watching at home. That's it. This time for Inside.

the Justice League. So because we are doing this

show in seasons I thought it was good for us

to have Recaps of each of the seasons instead

of just one giant recap at the end Because honestly

my memory isn't that good So yeah, we think you

refresh your course at the end of each season

A couple of notes that I've made. I actually

that feature Lex Luthor in Justice for All and

Legends. And he's barely in Legends. I mean,

he's like right there at the beginning before

they do the whole time traveling thing. And yeah.

But the one episode that he was in, he was good.

Yeah, injustice for all and actually it's funny

injustice for all is the only episode in the

first season that features the Joker That's true

Which you know, I know at the time there was

a whole bat embargo going on but it's funny like

how many different Villains they got within the

first season without going the whole super villain

rogue thing Right. Really? What's her name? Areja?

That's a villain? Give me a break. The whole

thing in Paradise Lost with Hades. Okay, that's

a viable Wonder Woman villain. Areja is not.

I would say so. Huh? I would say. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's a, you know, when I think of like

super villains and stuff, it always comes down

to, unfortunately, For me because I'm not the

comic book geek I would like to be It comes down

to Batman and Superman because they are pretty

much the two that have the gin You know the ginormous

rogues gallery for the most part. Well Superman's

kind of iffy He has a few major supervillains,

but I mean Batman's the one that has the biggest

rogues gallery out of everybody. I'd say I'd

say the the second biggest not out of impact

I mean as far as this cartoon series goes. Oh

yeah. If someone were to say Squirtle, I would

automatically think Batman. Because his is so

huge and yet the characters are so dynamic and

so different from one another. Right. I mean

you can't really say that Catwoman, the penguin

and the joker are all exactly the same. No you

can't. I mean, their personality types, their

archetypes are completely different. The only

other thing that... We have not hit it yet, but

we will hit it later on in the series. It's a

flash. Well, we kind of hit it a little bit,

especially when... Oh, what was that damn episode?

Not Injustice For All. Oh, damn. I can't even

remember. There was a yeah, there was a girl

like Rod episode in this seasonal. Yeah, what

was that when I forget? Oh God Crap, I'm gonna

have to look it up. But yeah, you know bold.

Yeah brave in the bowl. Yeah, exactly You know

that and the funny thing about that is they made

that tie back to like later on once One gorilla

grad comes back. They made it tie back to that

episode of brave in the bold Continuity. It's

great. Yeah, you're right. We will hit a lot

of Flash's villains. You know, honestly, in later

seasons, I would say probably the one character

out of the original seven that really does a

whole lot of maturing is Flash. Not that Batman

or Superman or Wonder Woman or any of them really

need to mature, but... He's the one that comes...

most notably the farthest, I think. Yeah. And

at the same time, we also see why he's such a

goofball. Oh, exactly. Yeah. Why, you know, people

don't take him seriously, but why he's the way

he is from a dealing with super villains. Oh,

yeah. Did you forget to take your meds? Yeah,

but see, I didn't find that funny. I found him

very com - compassionate and caring because,

you know, people don't get... Now I don't know

the whole flash deal. I haven't paid any attention

to it. It's not that I, like I said before, it's

not that I don't want to. My money's too invested

at other places. But, you know, I know the difference

between Barry Allen and Wally West, and this

is the Wally West flash, and it showed him being

in Central City and him understanding for the

most part, these villains. Like, what was it,

the trickster, the jester, whatever he was. Yeah,

the trickster? Yeah. You know, Flash actually

cared about him, and he knew that, you know,

there was something wrong with him. You know,

I mean, it's not just Captain Cold or Boomerang

Boy or whatever his name is. Oh, God. Captain

Boomerang. Captain Boomerang. Yeah, that's what

it was. Yeah, Mirror Master. You know, those

are his supervillains, but Trickster, huh? The

Rogues. Yep. That they're known as. Yeah. What

are some of your favorite episodes from season

one? Definitely Justice for All. That was just

the bat making, you know, putting the moves on

the cat, completely manipulating everybody. in

one way or another and just he's basically just

sitting back and he could get out anytime he

wanted he we get to see what Batman really is

like and why he is the goddamn Batman. Just because

I am a Green Lantern geek I have to stay in Blackest

Night only just because we get to see somebody

else besides John with the ring. But it was a

pretty bad episode. Nights of Shadows, that was

pretty recent. And Legends, of course. I think

it's the whole, the fact that I'm a big King

Arthur fan, that I really enjoyed Nights of Shadows.

And plus Etrigan. I'm gone, gone, the former

of man. Yeah, I love that. That's actually so

awesome. To be honest, I was saying that for

like a week afterwards at work. I was saying

it as soon as I got the audio I had kept saying

it gone gone the fool man rise the demon edge

again I've been saying it all the damn time.

It's pretty bad when like you're You're doing

your thing at work and you're saying it out loud

and you're just kind of checking yourself and

everybody else in the facilities giving you like

a wide berth and looking at you very strangely

Especially when they all come from a very religious

households. Oh boy, you're saying shit like that

So I'm trying to say in Spanish now. Oh, no.

No, it's for it's from a TV show Something I'm

doing for for for a radio show. It's okay I really

enjoyed The Savage Time, the final three -pointer.

Honestly, that was a lot. I enjoyed that a lot

more than I thought I would. I commend them for

doing a World War II story. It's very hard to

do. Who else has done that? Like, in a kid's

TV show? In cartoons? I don't... I don't know

of anybody. I guess you could kinda count...

I mean, it wasn't really a World War II story,

but like the whole prequel of how those tanks

ended up on the island. But yeah, honestly, I

can't think of any other cartoon now or 20 years

ago that would even touch that. And they paid

it such homage. I mean, they threw the Blackhawks

in there. You've got Easy Company. You've got

all these homages, and it's just great. And the

story itself, I didn't find... I don't think

I found that many things wrong with it. Other

than like little nitpicks, like the fact when

they're shooting at GL... In the cargo hold and

he doesn't have his ring to protect himself and

bullets are just flying everywhere I'm telling

you. I'm telling you a ricochet could have happened

on that He could have got hit in the leg or somewhere

or whatever But you know that yeah, but you know

the way the episode went someone got shot in

the leg And it's all funny till somebody somebody

gets shot in the leg. Oh my god. You shot him

as a just it just grazed off That's an Armageddon

reference ladies and gentlemen, oh boy What else

do we want to say about season one, how did you

like the animation overall for season one um

It was fairly decent, but it there's times that

we had the animation errors that were pretty

blatant. And I think as the story progressed,

it got a lot better. Like as the different episodes

progressed, it was like they got a hold of it

and the QC of it increased. Yeah. I don't know.

It just it's the animation seemed maybe a little

bit choppy in the beginning, but then got a lot

better as it went along. Yeah. I think that by

the end of where we're going with this, it will

definitely... Oh, that's a lot better. You know,

also it probably could be the fact that, and

I believe Bruce Timmons said this in the past,

I don't know, it could be the fact that they'll

draw something and they'll send it to the overseas

animators and they may not understand how they

want it to look from a drawing, you know, because

of the whole language barrier or... Whatever.

I mean that that could be it. It's not like where

you have say Say Three Starscreams in one shot,

and it's supposed to be Thundercracker Starscream

and Skywarp You know it's not a whole lot of

you know same color issues Honestly after about

three or four episodes even though we even though

we refer to the two and three partners as stories

because that's technically what they are As individual

episodes, I got so sick of the title sequence.

I got so sick of it. So for Season 2, I'm probably

going to just fast -forward through the title

sequence. And I actually prefer the unlimited

theme more than the original theme. I don't know.

I like the... I don't really have any complaints

about the theme music or even the title sequence.

Definitely like fast -forwarded through the opening.

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like after you

see the opening scene and then it goes to the

title sequence, I watched it over and over and

over again. And of course, by the time the credits

roll, I will always look at the voice actors.

I'll look at the voice actor and I'll pause it

or I'll pause it on the voice actor, the guest

that voice actors just to see who was who and

then I'll just skip to the next episode but I

would always watch that beginning title sequence

and I don't think I'm going to do that in season

two because it's you know like we said it's the

same thing over and over and over again. I'm

trying to find, I've screen capped in the title

sequence where they have hot girl flying out.

Yeah. I've had about About six or seven shots

of that. I'm trying to see. I know this is horrible.

I'm trying to see if they actually showed her

nipple on that shot. Because it's a form -fitting

shot. I mean, she's anatomically correct in that

image. Yes, I'm a dirty old man. I know. At least

you say it with pride. Yeah, exactly. Oh, wow.

If you deny it, you just accept it. Suppose we

should um God I really don't want to talk about

this, but I suppose we should pick our worst

episode That which shall not be named exactly

I I barely even made it through that I Did I

took one for the team? God, that was pretty painful

to watch, actually. Yeah, it was. The story was

horrible. And Mongo. Come on, Mongo. Ugh, horrible

character. Yeah, mongool. Oh, God. It's just

one of those things where it's like, wow, I guess

there has to be one bad story for... Yeah, but

actually honestly, I kind of was holding this

to a higher standard. It's like there can't be

that many bad episodes. Oh believe me, there's

gonna be plenty of episodes in season two that

I don't like either. Not a lot, but some. There's

gonna be some pretty bad ones, huh? Yeah. They

can't be as bad as Warworld. No! No, not as bad

as Warworld, but it's one of those things where

there are just some that make no sense. Hearts

and Minds is one. The only thing that I like

that episode for is Keith David's voice acting.

I don't know, it's just one of those things where

I'm not really sure how it's going to... Unfold

and you know, it's funny I've tried to hold back

on what cuz I know as soon as soon as I got this

that I was ready to rip it open and Watch every

single episode and I said no, no, no, I've got

a hold off I've got to watch them in in groups

because overall I love the series. It's a great

series It's one that you can just drop something

in the DVD player and just play in the background

or just watch it And at the same time there are

certain episodes where you should never watch

again Yeah Yeah, which shall not be named yes

So do we have any other it's kind of a short

episode our recap episodes are most likely going

to be short Because we're just kind of doing

an overshot of each season You have any other?

Thoughts on season one. I'm not really sure where

metamorphosis fits in all this um I think that's

an episode that we really could have done without

Yeah, it's funny you mention that I went back

and I finished watching it And what are your

what are your feelings now that you finished

watching it? It was a lame plot Well metamorphor

is a pretty lame character. Sorry I like the

design on him in that in the episode and I like

the fact that he has all those You know strange

powers, especially coming up with red You know

Sun energy or radiation or whatever? But yeah,

you know, I think if they were to do an episode

like this Featuring someone with those type of

powers. I really think that they could have done

Firestorm instead and that could have entertained

me a lot more. I so wish everything now it seems

like Hate to admit this because I can't stand

this cartoon only because of the the guy who's

voicing Batman But I caught an episode on Cartoon

Network of Batman the brave and the bold and

they had firestorm on that I I don't know I I

so wish they would have given us firestorm and

Justice League that would have been awesome Even

if we had to wait until they expanded the league

that would have been so awesome to have firestorm

What we did oh well the um the movie that just

recently came out that was supposed to be part

of this oh Yeah, he is in there as his Aquaman.

Yes. He is Justice League crisis on two earths.

We will actually talk about We will not be reviewing

Justice League crisis on two earths in continuity

because it really isn't But we will be talking

about that when we hit our season two recap because

it does have a lot of similarities. The continuity

was removed. Dwayne McDuffie did rewrite his

entire Justice League Worlds Collide script,

but you can still see some continuity of what

it was supposed to be like with Batman's initiation

process of, or his recruitment process. in the

movie. That's a scary thought. Well, all I'm

saying is there is, I will point out, because

by the time we get to our season two recap, I

will have it on DVD and I will write down every

single continuity thing that could have tied

season two and season three of Justice League,

Justice League Unlimited together. It seems pretty,

pretty big actually. They're there, trust me.

They're there. You have to look for them, but

it's there. I really... I don't know... I don't

really like that. I know it's not something people

normally notice, but what did you think of, like,

the menus for the DVDs? For Season 1? See, I

watched all of Season 1 on the Blu -ray, so...

I'm specifically talking about the main menu.

Isn't it the same on the Blu -ray as it is on

the original? Honestly, I don't know. Well, what

I'm talking about is how they took the 3D models

from the intro and pretty much put them together

on the main menu. I don't know. I don't know

how I feel about it, but it was okay. It's not

as spectacular as something that it could have

been. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll have to check on...

Well, fanboys Warner Brothers, wow us. Yes, exactly.

So you need to start living up to Marvel's standards,

Warner Brothers. Especially with films. I say

nothing and I bite my tongue. So I guess we are

going to go to the other special feature that

I grabbed, and we will be back with the outro.

When you call a show Justice League, you automatically

think, okay, you're going to see Wonder Woman,

Batman, and Superman, and the other ones as well.

And this is going to be your only time to see

these characters, you know, for the next 20 years

or so in an animated cartoon, so you better get

them right. So they need to kind of be their

iconic, you know, versions. We ended up going

back and coming up with an all -new Batman design.

It was very faithful to the comics. For the sake

of it, we kind of toyed with his design a little

bit. Gave him a little bit longer ears. They

flare out to the sides a little bit more rather

than being swept back. Gave him back his highlight

on his black leather. parts, put little tiny

heels on the bottoms of his boots, which he'd

never had before in our animated version. If

anything, that was probably a subliminal nod

to Batman Beyond, who had heels on the bottoms

of his boots. We chose wisely when we offered

you the ring. Thank you, John Stewart. John Stewart

was the one Green Lantern in the comic book continuity

who never ever wore a mask, because most of the

Green Lanterns wore a little domino mask. So

he was the first Green Lantern to say, no, forget

it. I'm not wearing a mask. I'm not ashamed to

be in a Green Lantern. I'm not ashamed to be

in John Stewart. So we thought that was a really

important part of John Stewart version of Green

Lantern but just for purely for visual sake we

thought we need we needed to give him some kind

of visual gimmick for his close -ups so we came

up with the idea that the he's been a Green Lantern

for so long that the the energy of the Green

Lantern has kind of infused his entire being

so that it's even in his bloodstream and it glows

out of his eyes and it certainly makes it an

interesting visual. James Tucker took a pass

over the old Superman design and he felt that

the old design was fine, but he thought that

Superman could be a little bit more rugged, a

little bit more grown -up looking. So we gave

him, you know, strong cheekbones and little tiny

dashes under his eyes, which are supposed to

give him a little bit more of a comic book squinty

look. Makes him look a little bit older than

he did in the Superman the Animated series. One

of the very first comics I had possession of

when I was a kid was a Hawkman issue and it had

Hawk Girl in it and as much as I liked Hawkman,

I just really fell in love with Hawk Girl. I

thought she had like one of the coolest helmet

shapes I'd ever seen in a comic. It was that

real good mix of kind of tomboyish but feminine

and she was actually very simple to design. I

mean I basically just took her right out of the

comics and didn't hardly change a thing on her.

Flash was kind of a no -brainer designing. We

knew pretty much right off the bat that we pretty

much needed to stick to the comic version of

his character. And it's a great costume, you

know, red and yellow, you can't beat it. The

one note we did get from DC Comics is that they

had In recent years, they tried to go a little

bit darker with his character and with his design

to try to make him look a little bit more fresh

and more modern. We adapted that by giving him

kind of a velour kind of look to his costume

so that he's always rim -lit, he's always the

main body of his costume is a dark shadowed character

and he's got a little bit of the brighter red

on the outside of his costume to kind of keep

him a little bit more dynamic looking so he's

not just a real big, you know, tomato. Martian

Manhunter is a character that, you know, it's

all in how you draw it. I mean, I actually think

the design looks fine. I think he looks great.

He's had various, you know, collar shapes on

top of his cape. He's pretty much, you know,

just the comic book character just adapted slightly

for animation. Most of the female characters

we've designed for the various animated shows

have been very petite, but Wonder Woman is a

very strong and powerful character, so... We

needed to kind of beef her up a little bit but

not go into that bodybuilder mode which they

sometimes do in the comics. We tried to infuse

her with a little bit more power just in the

individual than some of the other characters.

She's taller, she has longer legs, smaller head.

We tried to keep her feminine but very, very

strong. Let's go home. Drawing is not easy, you

know. Sometimes it may look easy because we've

been at it for so long, but every single character

is a design challenge You know as someone I forgot

to mention our actual discussion there was I

when I went back and did a watch through I got

up to My well my laziness kicked in as soon as

the enemy below two -parter started and I stopped

watching the season one But one of my two notes

was it seems that soups or Superman and hot girl

get teamed up a lot First in secret origins then

in blackest night and then the savage time They're

kind of like the the air hit squad for the the

team aren't they? Well, technically the air hit

squad would be Superman hot girl Jean GL and

pretty much everybody except Flash and Batman

Even Batman's got his bat plane. Well, but he

doesn't have natural flying ability. That's true.

And then surprisingly Later on in Secret Origins

after Batman says he doesn't trust him or you

know, whatever John and Batman worked very well

together because the whole thing of John shielding

him To plant the the bomb on the the Imperium's

thing or whatever. Yep Wow, that doesn't sound

right the Imperium's thing. Oh good lord the

Wait the Imperium's or was it are you thinking

of no the Imperium's as plural like like it's

Michael's DVD oh So the Imperium's thing the

Imperium being that that melty superficial Alien

thing that stuck a tentacle up John's nose and

put it through his brain That is just such a

horrid horrid image oh boy Kind of makes me think

of the first Mummy movie with the beetles crawling

around in the guy's skin. Thank God I don't want

to see tricks. Just don't freak out when that

bug's crawling across you in the middle of the

night. No, we're not going there. Oh boy. You

know I'm trying to think there are subtle hints

in this season of Batman and Wonder Woman And

they're so very subtle you have to kind of watch

you looking for it and They kind of start With

GL and hot girl, but not really. I don't think

it really like shows itself until later on in

season 2 which we will be getting to, obviously.

I don't know, it got a lot more rampant at the

end of season one. It was pretty much out there.

Yeah, well, the whole World War II story, they

were trying to kick it up a notch with that,

I think. And of course, everybody knows that

Superman was a wimp. Yes. Super wimp. Well, there's

something else I would like to say, but I'm...

I don't see things like that. Super what? Super,

does it start with an F? No. Okay. Okay. But

it's actually funny when we get to, is it, what

is the episode in season two where they, oh God,

which one is it? Where they go to, oh, A Better

World. of a better world two -parter i i will

i will point something out very interesting that

really relates to season one when we get there

we have anything else we want to say about season

one it only gets better from here yes very much

so uh... we're going to go to the uh... best

lines of season one that put together and then

we will come back with the outro good evening

this is snapper car reporting There's more to

this than meets the eye. Tag, you're it! Don't

even think about it. Where's he going? Flash,

take the control. Does anyone ask if I know how?

Who's the rookie in the T .L.? No! Wait! There's

nothing more we can do for him. You don't mean

he's... Gone. Hera, help us. No! Batman? It can't

be. I mentally shielded him so he couldn't be

detected. Hot Girl, what's she doing here? If

the ring wasn't lit, you must have quit. What?

Like a bunch of super friends? More like a Justice

League. Do you have any idea how corny that sounds?

I'm not really a people person. But when you

need help, and you will. Well, I hope everybody

enjoyed my clip -gathering skills. Oh, by the

way, Lupus, have you finished your homework yet?

Maybe. Of listening to the other five episodes

of the show? No. DOH! In my defense, I just finally

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