DCAU Spotlight Wrap Up

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welcome to episode 99 .5 of Tooncast brought

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host, J .O .J. and Mike, and today I am joined

once again by Nightwing. Hello, sir. Hello. And

Steve Megatron. Hello. Hello. Today we are going

to be racking, wrapping up the DCAU spotlight

because I forgot to do it beforehand. Yeah, I

totally spaced on the ending of Tooncast because

we had... Nine episode 97 through 99 recorded

within one week. I recorded episode 97 which

was static shock with Steve and Tara and then

Lupus convoy and I recorded the Justice League

episodes 98 99 we recorded those in one night

and At the end of that. I was like, okay, that's

it. We got two months off. We're cool. And I

was like, oh You know because I forgot to do

a DC at you wrap up. So that's what we're here

to do today So night wing what's been going on

with you, sir? Nothing much at all. Hmm. That

was quick. Steve? Nothing much at all. I don't

even know what I'm telling you, fuckers. Don't

need to make me make that comment. No, what I

said was I couldn't even take a bite of my sandwich,

you fuckers, because I figured you guys would

have something to say while I took a bite of

my sandwich. Sorry. Yay. The illusion of podcasting.

Yes, really. So basically what this recap is

going to be is kind of like what the Disney Spotlight

was, the Disney Spotlight recap where we have

a bunch of lists and a bunch of different stuff

that we're going to go through. Some of us have

more than others because I didn't really clarify.

On the script here for 99 .5, I basically had

to go to the Tooncast 100 script and that's...

I had to modify it. I didn't modify it all that

well. So... I'm floundering here. Fuck. Um...

Yeah, so... Jesus, fish. Shut up. I'm floundering.

We'll be back in a moment. Happy? Call me when

it's important. and not before. So this first

list, we're going to be doing our list of how

we would rank the shows in the DC animated universe

from what we think is like art, like the ones

that we're least interested in to the ones we

most like. So it's kind of like from worst to

best. We're not saying that these shows are bad

in general, but it's kind of like a top 10 list.

But seeing as how Teen Titans is not in continuity

and some of the other shows actually run together

Most of us have like eight shows on our list

So I'm going to start with the Zeta project This

one and static are both stretches Zeta is a spin

-off of Batman Beyond Whereas Batman Beyond was

super dark. This was like super bright the animation

sucked on it. The voice acting was great I liked

I really liked the theme after hearing it again

because I hadn't heard it in a few years, but

This I would have to say is my worst DCIU show

because it just it's too bright It's too convoluted.

Oh man with the colors on this show. They could

have picked some better colors Zeta equals epic

fail Boring Essentially, yes, so what's your

what's your first or your worst or whatever and

It's also Zeta because it's boring. That's about

it. Nothing more to say Steve Agree, okay lovely

my number seven is static shock agree well I

wouldn't say that it's a worse show. Static Shock

is a very good show, actually. And, you know,

much as Zeta was just supposed to be a spinoff

of Batman Beyond, Static wasn't even really in

continuity until they added those Justice League

and the new Batman Adventure episodes for it,

the crossover episodes. Because static has a

completely different feel than any of the other

DCAU shows But I do like it for its social commentary

for the hard -hitting it I mean you didn't see

a cartoon back then like this that was hitting

these hard issues So that's that's my next one

what about you Aaron? Mine is also static Get

out of my head people It'll ship pretty soon.

I'm pretty sure but no Honestly, I think Static,

it is a great show. It's not at the level of

the other shows, but it's still great. It's great

in its uniqueness, I think. It's nothing like

the rest of them, but it's great in its own way.

I think it's cool to have a young teenage hero

who's not... Partnered with Batman constantly

and you know, he's really just a street level

kid who happens to get powers and that's about

it You know, it's not this epic. Oh my gosh,

it's amazing thing. It's just yeah, it's a really

personal show I think that's what's great about

it. So yeah, I think it's great Yeah, and the

other thing is we got to talk to static and gear

both. Yay. Yeah Steve what's your next one? Static

It's not that it's a bad show. It's just because

I ranked the other ones higher, right? My next

one is the new Batman Adventures, which is also

the new Batman Superman Adventures These are

the revamp episodes technically Batman the animated

series and did in 1995 They revamped it and came

back as the new Batman Adventures in 1997 I really

love the theme for new Batman Superman adventures.

It was awesome. It was just such a great theme

marrying the two, the BTAS theme and the STAS

theme together. I know some people didn't like

the redesign of the Joker, Steve, but I did like

- I like the redesign of half the damn villains.

Well, I liked it on Scarecrow because he was

a hell of a lot scarier. I didn't like it on

any of them. Some of them were pretty good. Other

ones are not. I don't like the Joker. Scarecrow

is awesome. A few of them are kind of like, eh.

Freeze is a little better. Joker looks like crap.

Riggler looks like crap. Catwoman looks like

crap. I like Catwoman in this version. It could

have been stylized better. It looks more like

a Genny Tarkovsky. That's true, that's true.

She's a bit too skinny. So what's your next one,

Aaron? My next one is Justice League. Not JLU,

just Justice League. The first two seasons, right?

Yes. Mostly because even though season two has

some great, amazing episodes, that's the one.

Season one is really not that great in hindsight.

There's not much character development in it,

period. There's a couple of great episodes in

season one that's about it. It's kind of just,

it's not bad, it's just there. And then season

two has some great episodes, but even then it's

like, I don't know, it's a little stiff for me.

I think JLU is where it really started to get,

it started to break out. The animation got completely

solidified as total awesomeness. This is not

saying this is bad by any means, it's just, You

know, it's not as good as the other five on the

list, the other above five. So yeah, I do still

love this season two specifically, but yeah,

overall it ranks out of six. Steve, what's your

next one? My next one I'd have to say is Superman.

Yeah. Because I like the other shows much better.

It's probably just because Superman's never really

been one of those characters I really, I don't

know, 100 % care for. Therefore, I'd rank him

around there. I mean, the show was good, but

that wasn't one of my favorite out of the remaining.

Right. Yeah. This show actually made me because

Superman is my next one as well going into you

know moving on here, but Superman the animated

series was kind of Between that and Lois and

Clark is what kind of reintroduced me to Superman

like I had seen all the movies as a kid and well

I'd seen one in two Later after they'd gotten

released obviously, but you know I'd say you

know I was a kid when three and four came out

and I'd seen that and After the after four came

out. I was like okay. Well. I'm waiting for a

superman 5 which never happened I almost wish

a superman 5 what I happen. It would have been

anything better than that stupid Bryan Singer

movie Poor Bryan singer. Anyway, but superman

the animated series and Lois and Clark the TV

series is what reintroduced me to Superman and

Tim Daly is the voice of Superman was just awesome

Dana Delaney as Lois Amazing amazing amazing

voice acting. There are a lot of Superman episodes

that are Kind of bordering on just What the fuck

moments But yeah, I think you know Having it

where I have it. It's it's pretty good. What

about you Aaron? What's your next one? My next

one is Batman Beyond It's not that That's the

thing. It's like I hate putting these shows lower

on the list, but it's just it's like they're

not bad They're all good except for Zeta. I guess

but you know anyway Yeah, I think I love this

show But at the same time a lot of the episodes

that there's only really a few of them that are

really Amazing or really really great the rest

of them are at best good None of them are well

like I said there's a few that are that are excellent

some are good And then the rest are So, overall,

just in terms of sheer quantity of mediocrity,

it has to get the number five spot out of eight.

So, yeah, I do love it. I love Terry McGinnis.

I love the university it created. It's so original.

It's definitely probably the most original section

of the DCAU, but still, it's not incredible.

It's just really, really good. So Steve, what's

your next one on your list? Justice League and

that's because I have two others that Go beyond

Justice League and unlimited. Mm -hmm. So that's

pretty much why Hmm my number four ish type one

actually is Batman Beyond you can kind of tell

at this point people where where our lists are

probably gonna end up going especially mine but

Batman Beyond I really loved the concept I was

like when I first saw it back in the day I was

kind of pissed I was like wait why is Bruce Wayne

old what the hell is this type of thing but for

what it is it's great and It gave us probably

one of the best animated features ever in Return

of the Joker, and I'm sure Steve will talk about

that a little bit later. But, I mean, that was

just one of the crowning jewels of the series,

I think. And the voice acting was great. I mean,

I prefer after they filmed and released Return

of the Joker when they had Angie Harmon come

back to do Barbara. Stockard Channing as Barbara

just didn't really do it for me. But just overall

the voice acting on it was great and just the

range that Kevin Conroy put into put into Bruce

was just amazing So Aaron, what's your next one

on your list there? It is the new Batman adventures

also known as part of the new Batman Superman

adventures Yeah, that was the first series first

Batman series that I watched regularly as a kid.

I love the sort of super sleek designs. I loved

the way that it was like a more modern version

of BTAS. Not that that made it better, but it

was definitely cooler in some ways. And it was

cool that you had four different heroes all working

together, you know, Batman, Robin, Nightwing,

and Batgirl. I liked Nightwing, of course. You

know, I loved a lot of the cool different ways

they reinvented certain concepts like Mr. Freeze

and Scarecrow. The fact that it crossed over

with Superman was awesome. You got to have Superman

come into Gotham City and team up with Robin

to fight Brainiac. It was a lot of fun. So I

think that one, that's my number four. I love

that. I love the nighttime episode. That was

so awesome. The fight with Bane was amazing.

Oh my god, yes, yes. My next one is BTAS. Wait,

you skipped Steve. Oh, did we? Oh, shit. This

episode is cursed. Steve, what's your number

for? This part has been edited. Ha ha ha. You'll

never know what was actually here. The next one

on my list is Batman the Animated Series. The

first three years or four years or however long

it was, 92 to 95, so the first five years of

it, I guess. I don't know. Math is evil and can

die. The first like three seasons of Batman the

animated series really well done stories Even

though there was no actual continuity between

them I like that for that show because they're

like many movies and it's like a self -contained

story each time thank God we had gone away from

the way of doing the The oh, what do we learn

in this episode kids because that would so not

have worked with Batman So, what's your next

one, Aaron? My third one is JLU. Not that it's

not good enough to also be at the top, but for

me personally, I feel like it was a lot of fun.

Best animation by far, definitely. Best fight

choreography. It's got a ton of things going

for it. Biggest cast, most epic story. but the

thing that makes it not as great for me is just

the fact that they didn't really give enough

time in my opinion to um the personal lives of

the heroes you know it was almost always they

were always in the suits doing their hero thing

and that was it They had some character development

here and there, but overall it wasn't quite enough

for me. I liked the other solo shows like Superman

and Batman and Batman Beyond, Static Shock, all

those, because you got to see the heroes in a

much more personal light. And I liked that more.

So, JLU, it's still amazing, it's wonderful,

but it's my third. Steve? My number three is

JLU. just because, I don't know, there were a

lot of good episodes, but I have to that MI much

higher than any of the other DCAU shows. Therefore,

that's why that place is where it did. Yes. My

number two is Justice League. Justice League,

the first two seasons... First of all, the first

two seasons, the first season itself, even though

it made Superman look like a wimp, the first

two seasons had really, really great cliffhangers

at the end of them. Season one, you had the Savage

Time three -parter. In season two, of course,

you had Star -Crossed three -parter. And those

stories alone make it my number two, just because

it was such a great, great story. for those two

multi -part episodes. The voice acting, you know,

I said before that Tim Daly was really great

as Superman. I didn't even know that it wasn't

Tim Daly in Justice League at first. I didn't

know it was George Newburn. I thought it was

Daly, but... Because I didn't I never saw the

difference I never saw that I never saw the change

because the voicing I thought was so similar

to each other, but even though now I know that

it's different, but It wasn't like Wasn't like

where you have Tim Daly voicing Superman in something

And then you go to friggin Kyle McLaughlin, you

know So that's that's my number two ish I guess

Aaron was your next one my number two is Superman

Yeah, this was I Love this show so much I get

people have problems with it certain episodes

people don't like as much Personally, they don't

bother me. There's no episode in Superman where

I sit there and I'm like, no, I don't want to

watch this I mean, I don't know why I guess cuz

I grew up with it when I was seven years old.

I first watched the show and I was like, this

is amazing. I want to watch more. And, you know,

yeah, just like you, you know, Lois and Clark

in this show, they sort of defined my Superman

fandom. They didn't revive it. They pretty much

brought it into existence because I wasn't alive

before 1989. So this whole post -crisis reboot

Superman stuff with those two shows, that was

incredibly important to me and my fandom. So

yeah, I love Superman. I love the characters

of Superman. Lois, Lex, Darkseid was introduced

in this show. That whole apocalypse storyline

throughout the whole show was amazing. And then

it led into Justice League, which was great.

So yeah, I love Superman. I think it's great.

Also, it had the world's finest crossover with

Batman. And that was like, oh, yes. And technically,

all the crossovers are part of Superman. I kind

of think of them as both, but Superman is technically

the one that contained all the crossover stories.

So it's like, it's got Superman and Batman in

the same show. So yeah, it's number two for me.

Steve? Number two for me would be Batman Beyond.

And that's just because it's an equal of Batman

animated series, which was epically awesome,

but Batman Beyond. uh... huh very interesting

my uh... my number one is jail you uh... again

like erin said before you know what some of their

best animation just the fact of the story of

the the the the the the cadmium story arc the

twist with Luthor you know just the and then

you know you know going to that that 30 -minute

style instead of two -parters instead you know

just telling 30 -minute adventure granted though

that the Cadmus arc was like an eight -part arc

but and just I mean destroyer tell us so screw

Lexofer But just destroyer at the end and and

just having dark side back and You know just

all that that you know jail you was great. There

are a few episodes in jail you I really don't

care for But other than that it was just great

so Aaron. What's your number one? My number one

is Batman and it's kind of ironic because I didn't

actually watch this show much when it was actually

airing originally, but I don't know in hindsight.

I think it was I think it's the most artistic

of all the shows I think it's the most are dedicated

to that kind of short form Artistry and you know

you look at every single frame of the animation.

It's hand -drawn. It's not done with all the

cg coloring that happened later uh... very visually

it's very stylistically different uh... you know

and it is at the standard and i think today i

think in my opinion it holds up a little bit

as far as the stories go uh... animation not

as much Well, I think not as much, but I think

in terms of overall, the story itself, I think

it holds up the best. I think it's the most mature

probably out of all of them. Not the most mature

in content, but as far as the actual stories,

as far as the seriousness, the tone, I think

it's the most well -rounded and the most impressive

for me anyway. So, not to diminish the others,

the others are just as valid, but for me, I think

Batman is the definitive DCAU cartoon. Yes. Steve,

what's your number one like we don't already

know? Batman the animated series for all the

same reasons and Including the fact that it's

got the most epic Batman and Joker voices ever

as well as all the other cast Hell yes, and the

writing is awesome. Plus you have a guest appearance

twice by the original Batman from the 60s Yep,

Adam West So the next list that we're going to

do is our top five best DCAU moments and I think

we're not gonna just I think we're just gonna

list these we're not gonna discuss them so much

just because I Think they just need to be listed

For my number five is the cliffhanger in the

Justice League season or series opener secret

origins Where I think it was? part two going

into part three where batman supposedly dies

because he gets um... the end of that episode

wonder woman gets cut off from him and the next

thing you see is a bunch of gunshots from the

aliens and we are led to believe that batman's

dead that was just jaw -dropping what's your

number five nightwing uh... my number five moment

in the dcau is Uh, at the end of Return of the

Joker, when Terry kind of truly becomes Batman,

it's after he's defeated the Joker and, uh, you

know, Bruce and Tim Drake kind of acknowledge

him and say, yeah, you, you are the, you know,

the one true Batman from here on out. And then

he puts on the cow and he flies off into the

night and it's like, yes, Terry finally is Batman.

He's not Batman's sidekick. He's not Robin of

the future. He's the, he's the Batman of the

future. So yeah, that's mine. Just don't call

me Robin. Okay, Alfred. Who's Alfred? Steve what's

your number five best DCA moment? The Arguing

scene between the original Batman and the Joker

in the After they've brainwashed him Robin in

the flashback part of return of the Joker Where

Joker is taunting Batman and calling him a little

boy in a play suit crying for mommy and daddy

Yeah My number four is Probably one of the only

times I can ever really stand this actor But

it's anything to do with mixie mixy is piddling

and gilbert godfried voicing mixy uh that was

just such a great playoff between tim daly superman

and gilbert godfried as mixy as piddling um i

absolutely love that uh it was so so funny uh

what about you aaron what's your number four

my number four is uh Bruce first becoming Batman

and the Phantasm. Yeah, when he pulls on that

cowl in the Batcave and even Alfred is scared

out of his mind, you know, and it's just like,

whoa, okay, he is Batman and establishes the

fact that, you know, the whole movie builds it,

but it's the idea that Batman is not just a mask

he puts on, it's this crazy dark wraith persona.

And yeah, that did that so well, so that was

really powerful. So that's my number four, yeah.

What about you, Stu? What's your number four?

The pilot episode of Batman Beyond, the part

where Bruce realizes he's old because he has

to pick up a gun because of his heart attack.

Yep. Yeah, that was such an epic epic moment

and then what made it more epic is right after

that the scene where he's like Never again It's

very very cool. My number three is has to do

with the Twilight episode from Justice League

I'm not gonna stop until you're just a greasy

smear on my fist You stole one of mine. Come

on, dude. Everybody knows the greasy smear line.

Okay, fine. Whatever. Mine is a different part

of that fight. We'll get to that later. I know

which part it is, too. So what's your number

three, Aaron? My number three is Krypton's final

moments when Jor -El and Leia are putting Kelle

in the ship and sending him off. It's that entire

episode, honestly, but that it all came to a

head right there at the end. And it's where they

realize, no, everything they fought for the entire

episode is lost. And they just have to send their

baby away. And the music is all swelling. Bruce

Timm himself says that he can't hear the music

without shedding a tear every single time. and

just, you know, and Krypton explodes and you,

you know, your heart breaks for the L family

because you're like, oh man, you know, you get

to know them over the entire episode then bam,

they're just dead. And the primary character

changes to be Kal -El and it's like, oh, whoa,

this is totally different. So yeah, I think that

is the only story I've ever seen that made me

care for Superman's Kryptonian family. And because

of that, I care for them in every single version

after that. So yeah, I think that's my favorite

or my number three. Steve what's your number

three the part in once in future thing part two

where Terry Batman Bruce Batman and Bruce old

Bruce meet up and have a little smart ass conversation

Good choice I would have to put that in this

episode somewhere. I love that My number two

is and this is weird for me i don't know why

i picked this but um... the scene in flash and

substance with uh... flash talking to trickster

and getting him you know to go back to getting

on his mat i just thought it just goes to show

you that uh... Even though World's Finest podcast

was wrong in their incontinuity belief, Michael

Simms is right in his love of Flash's character

in Justice League and Justice League Unlimited

because it just goes to show you how much of

a different hero Flash is compared to a Batman,

Orion, Superman, something like that. And I just

thought it was a really touching scene between

Flash and Trickster, especially having Mark Hamill

as the Trickster again. That was awesome. So

Aaron, what's your number two? Mine is Superman

defeating Darkseid in Twilight and my favorite

part of that whole thing is when Darkseid smashes

Superman's face under his foot and he's like

that's where you belong under my heel and then

Superman He burns two holes through Darkseid's

foot with his heat vision, and then punches him

in the face and beats him down, and it's like,

yes! After all the battles, all the times, you

know, Brainiac, or, not Brainiac, sorry, Darkseid

beat down Superman, brainwashed him, you know,

beat up his planet, Superman's like, no more,

I'm gonna kick you to the floor, and he did,

and it was amazing. Everyone cheered. That's

not exactly what I thought you were gonna say

for your favorite moment for that one because

I thought you were gonna go with where at the

end of it after Superman and Batman leave and

Darkseid looks up with you know, the cracks on

his face and he goes Loser See, I don't like

that cuz I don't like how Darkseid always has

to get in the last word It's like dude, you're

going to die You know, you're the loser dude.

You lost that one It's like I I honestly think

that after the camera leaves Darkseid after he

loses every time and he's you know He his smile

fades away. He's like Superman beat me again

For my number one, I'm gonna narrow it down,

but what I originally wrote down was anything

that comes out of Batman's mouth. Just seriously,

especially in Justice League. In Justice League

Unlimited, but I'm gonna narrow it down to actually

Terry Batt. Just the way that Terry handled the

Joker. in return of the joker just the way because

because he he asks bruce he says any suggestions

and bruce you know tells him bruce's style power

on through don't listen to him power on through

and you'll and you'll beat him and that was bruce's

style when he was younger but terry is not bruce

well yes he is bruce's son spoiler but you know

it's one of those things where terry handles

things differently and Bruce tells him Joker

likes Joker's vein, he likes to talk. And Terry's

like, oh, well, I like to talk too. And you see

this 15, 16 year old kid taunting the fucking

Joker. I thought that was so, so cool. So Aaron,

what's your number one, sir? My number one is

the final scene of the late Mr. Kent, where there's

this murderer who you know he's about to be uh

he's in the gas chamber about to die he's trying

to figure out how clark kent figured out you

know he how he solved the case and evaded death

and all this stuff at the last minute he looks

up he realizes he's superman and then he dies

it's like whoa i mean that was insane for a kids

show to show that just to show a guy literally

seconds away from death It's like, oh, man. And

that is my favorite ending of any DCAU show ever,

right there. Yeah. What about you, Steve? What's

your number one? I have to agree with you, honestly.

Oh, really? Yes. That's how you bet. Yes, I love

that scene because he just pisses the Joker off

royally. He's like, you're not Batman. Yeah.

So the next list we're gonna do, and I need to

mention this now before I forget about it, we

understand that there are so many moments to

choose from, but if we chose anything more than

top five moments for each of us, this episode

would be super long. We understand there are

way more best moments, but... Yeah, I agree with

I agree with all of you guys's too. I mean, yeah

Yeah, even your your top one with the bit and

beyond fights thing that that I agree with that

totally But you know, I just made an arbitrary

Oh, no, no, and that's fine. But what I'm saying

is is that? Even though each of us only listed

five we we recognize that within the DCA you

there are tons more great moments like one of

my favorite ones is Green green arrow humming

his own theme song You know what I'm saying is

is that for the listeners don't just judge us

on What our lists are here? We have to keep them

to top five top tens because like I said if it

was anything more than that This episode would

be at least two hours long and we don't all have

that much time to put into this So the next you

you say that about the theme song Well Batman

did it when somebody was trying to read his mind

and get into his thoughts and his theme song

was playing Oh yeah, in, uh, uh, what the hell

is the name of that stupid episode? Oh, that

one, uh, the Night of Shadows? No, Night of Shadows

is Morgan Le Fay. Yeah, what's the thing called?

Ah, shit. It's the one with Dr. Destiny with

John Dee, uh, not Dreams and Dardens, that's

a BTIS episode. Yeah, I was thinking that too.

It's the one with the dreaming thing where he

yeah, yeah Farah Jacques a song. Yeah So the

next one we're gonna get to is best DCA you fights

and the way that I wrote my list down was like

someone versus someone My number five is Batman

versus Rachel ghoul in anything all not just

a specific fight, but just their entire history

within the DCAU Was just very psychological And

really that's what it was it was a battle of

psychological wits more so than actual physically

fighting I mean, I think I think there was only

like one or two times that they physically fought

right? Nightwing? I believe so. I think so, yeah

But just I mean Kevin Conroy going up against

the MCP. Oh, I'm sorry David Warner as as race

Was just just great. Hopefully someone will get

my MCP joke Ron. Yeah, I got it. I got it. I

got it So that's my number five what's your number

five Aaron? Anyway We haven't oh, sorry. It's

all right. My mic was off number five is Terry

versus curare any of their fights either of them

The one in the museum most of all, but yeah,

I think yeah, those were incredible It was like

Batman versus samurai Jack as a girl It's kind

of what it was. So yeah, there we go Yeah, I

think the best part about I think it was the

first fight today I think the best part about

that is when she ended up putting her sword between

his legs That just that one shot of her almost

just clipping him like that where she came down

on him Steve what is your number five don't laugh

when I say this but it has to do with ink and

That's where she tried to drown Terry by deep

-throating him and then And then Bruce comes

in with his his battle armor that's underneath

his trench coat and then she tried to do the

same to him and he's like watch out and then

the armor comes out and Pounds her ass to the

ground Yeah, I gotta say just as a little side

here every reincarnation or different design

of the Batman suit is awesome There isn't a redesign

of the Batman suit or a futuristic design of

the Batman suit within the DCA you that I did

not like That's Batman is the shit and he knows

how to design stuff as Joker said in wild card.

Oh, yeah You know what? I really wanted to hear

throughout the DCA UI. We never heard it. I wanted

to hear Mark Hamill say Why does he get all those

wonderful toys? Sorry My number four is Superman

versus dark side all rounds because every time

these two fought it was knocked down drag out

into the world battles Specifically the destroyer

battle I love that battle just because Superman

is just ready to just let it all Oh God, I can't

believe I almost said that he's just ready to

let it all go You know, and it was just amazing,

I thought. But yeah, any time those two fought,

you knew it was world -ending epic battles. Aaron,

what about you? What's your number four? My number

four is Batman versus the LexCorp robot in World's

Finest. Their endless battle where he's in the

jetpack, then he's running through Metropolis,

then he's in the Daily Planet, then he shoves

it into a newspaper printing machine, then it's

not dead, he has to fight again, and yeah, I

love that one, so, yeah. Copybat, copybat. Steve,

what's your number for any battle that Batman

gets in with the Joker? because, let's face it,

the Joker is the yin to Batman's yang. Yeah.

My number three actually will probably throw

you guys for a loop. It's another psychological

battle, really. Luther versus Amazo. I am a throne

for a loop. Sarcasm, ladies and gentlemen. no

but seriously when like when a mezzo comes back

he's like cuz when he left he's like oh you people

can't offer me anything else and he comes back

as he wants answers from luther and then they

have that that you're in the palm of my hand

discussion you know and uh... i i just thought

it was really really great to have that kind

of back and forth and of course you know likes

just can't but help but getting in the last war

and then and Adams like you should have quit

while you're ahead uh... what about you Aaron

what's your number three my number three is Terry

Brish's The Joker and Return of the Joker for

all the reasons you guys already listed Austin

Cackling I love the fight choreography I like

the the fact that it's much more focused on the

martial arts and it's uh... It seems very real,

the fact that the Joker is able to use Tim Drake's

skill as a martial artist, and the Joker's own

skill, just from fighting Batman for all those

years. So yeah, I love that. I love that it's

both physical and psychological. I love the fact

that Terry takes him down with the Joy Buzzer.

Then he fries the smiley face shaped microchip.

Ace is involved at the beginning, that's cool.

I mean yeah, it's a great great fight What about

you Steve? What's your number three? I have to

agree for all the same reasons Yeah, and my number

two is that exact fight what I will say about

that fight is is that it It's one of those things

where It was never ever done in Batman the Animated

Series with the Joker, because it was always

psychological between Bruce and Joker. It wasn't

physical. And you never really saw... I mean,

yes, they got into fistfights, but you never

saw Joker and Batman jumping up and down, jumping

around, flying high kicks and bicycle kicks and

all this and all that. And the animation on the

Terry Bad Joker fight was just... so much, not

really more awesome than the other BTAS fights,

but it was so much better because you actually

saw the Joker doing stuff. He's not just running

from Batman. So, what's your number two, Aaron?

Superman versus Darkseid and Twilight, for the

reasons I already said. That's about it. Steve,

what about you? Harddeck Batman versus the real

Batman. Oh, I didn't think of that. And that

has to do with the fact that... Batman's playing

with the Bruce Wayne Batman part of the personality

of the hard -deck Batman right yeah making him

think he killed himself yeah again it's a lot

of these Batman battles are psychological more

than actual physicals I mean yes there is physical

stuff but I mean a lot of it's psychological

you got anything else to say about it Steve nope

my number one is I don't think it's the best

fight of the entire DCAU, but just from my list

and from what I was able to come up with, my

number one is GL vs. Roe Talik. Simply because

of just the way that that battle was done, the

fact that in the middle of it Shaira comes in

and tries to stop Roe, and he basically physically

abuses her basically electrocutes her and all

that it was just it was one of those emotional

battles one of those battles that had a lot of

great lines like I didn't take anything maybe

you should take better care of your stuff or

kiss my axe or you know I know I just I just

love that it was one of those fights where it

was pure physical fight. It wasn't psychological.

It wasn't this, that, and the other thing. It

was just knock down, drag out, kick ass. What

about you, Aaron? What's your number one? My

number one is Batman versus his inner demons

all the time. Just constantly fighting himself.

A perfect example of that would be A Better World.

There's that yes, there's also in a BTS. There's

a perchance to dream where he fights Batman who

turns out to be the Mad Hatter because as he

separated into two There's also the thing we're

at with a scarecrow where he has to fight that

giant like Skull monster who's like telling him

he's not good enough And he that's when he pulls

out his awesome. I am vengeance line for the

first time. Yeah, and So yeah, I think that fight

Because, yeah, all of Batman's villains should

be psychological. Not that they can't be physical,

too, but all of his greatest villains are all

psychological. And so I think, yeah, I mean,

you know, Mad Hatter and Scarecrow, those two

challenged him directly with his own psychology.

So, yeah, I think in that way, even though it's

kind of... Indirect fashion. I think Batman was

almost his own worst enemy at times And I think

those were the most interesting battles in my

opinion of the entire DCA you know What about

you Steve? What's your number one? I have to

say the battle of Batman and GL Against the time

guy and once a future thing Where they're going

back in time to the beginning of time. Yep. Where

they finally defeat them and then they end up

sitting back in their lounge. I just thought

that was kind of cool how that ended up. Yeah,

that was so, so cool. All right, so we're going

to take a quick break here. So up next is our

top five favorite characters or just our top

five characters from the DCAU. My number five

is Darkseid. He is pure evil and what really

really sets him up for me is Michael Ironside

doing the voice for him. No one else in existence

should be voicing Darkseid other than Michael

Ironside. There's always that joke in the Transformers

fandom of, oh, well, we'll just put Peter Cullen

on ice and have him do Optimus Prime forever.

We need to put Michael Ironside on ice and have

him do Darkseid forever. No, no, no. Just if

he dies, reanimate his corpse, he'll sound even

better. Nightwing, what's your number five? My

number five is Lois Dana Delaney is incredible.

She's so funny She makes you care about Lois

and like her so much even though she's saying

horribly mean things sometimes She's you're just

laughing at her and you know, she's not like,

you know a mean person. It's just It's so so

hard not to like you can't not like Lois. Yeah.

Yeah, I can't not close. It's just Anyway, she's

incredible. So yeah, I think she is the definitive

Lois Lane as far as I'm concerned Yeah. And I

agree with you there. She just is. Steve, what

about you for number five? The Riddler. I like

the entire outfit that he has in the beginning

of BTAS. I like how he's always thinking he's

one step ahead of Batman. And what really sealed

the deal for me with this character is what is

reality? Where they're in the video game. Oh,

yeah, yeah, yeah. mind screwing everybody yeah

I've just loved this character ever since and

actually I like this one a lot more before I

like the Joker and whereas the Joker is more

so my favorite now that was my favorite back

then yeah um it's really funny the Riddler in

BTIS was voiced by the future Lionel Luther John

Glover did the Riddler yeah that is so bizarre

I know, right? John Glover is a crazy versatile

actor, though. Oh, yeah, he is. What's your...

Okay, number four. Duh. My number four is Brainiac.

Brainiac is just... Like, I don't... Of course,

Nightwing, you'll have to correct this because

you read more comics than I do. They changed

Brainiac for DCIU, didn't they? Oh, yes, very

much so. So, what was he originally? Originally,

he was a, um, this green -skinned alien from

the planet Colu. He was a Coluan, and, um...

I think he still had the little symbols on his

head, but the idea was that he had a computer

-like brain and he would just went around different

planets collecting cities and bottling them.

So before Krypton exploded, he went to their

capital city of Kandor, scooped it up out of

the earth, just kidnapped millions of people,

shrunk them down to a tiny size, put them in

a little bottle container and just left with

them. And Superman was later able to defeat Brainiac

and get Kandor back, hence the whole bottled

city of Kandor, thinking he keeps in the fortress

of solitude. But yeah, so in the original version,

he was not Krypton's AI. So they changed him

in the animated series to be more like, essentially,

Krypton's master control program. Which was a

lot cooler and every single version of Brainiac

since then has at least Referenced that like

they made Brainiac more like that in the comics.

He's still a Kalu in but he's more computer like

And in smallville they once again said he is

an AI from Krypton. So that's that was pretty

cool So yeah, this version is by far. I think

the best Brainiac of all time. Yeah, I really

like this version compared to just from what

you said about the original version because Mean

this is really what sets up I mean, you know

we've I've said before in other shows and on

this show on this podcast that Technically Superman

the animated series is what starts the continuity

and I know that Bruce Tim and all them didn't

like plan Like they weren't planning at Superman

the animated series to start the rest of the

continuity They tied it all back to specifically

ghost in the machine is Where it ties back to?

So, technically, Brainiac is the creator of the

continuity. Also, the way they changed Brainiac,

too, is that they made him a personal villain

for Super Mangus beforehand. Brainiac, he's powerful.

He's a main Superman villain. He's not a personal

guy like he's never did anything terrible to

Superman or anyone but in the animated series

They made it to where he was responsible for

the genocide of the entire Kryptonian race, right?

He kept it on the planet and forced them to die,

right? So that made him a much more personal

and much more meaningful villain so yeah, and

they adopted that into the comics too where they

They didn't change his him to being like the

animated series but they made it to where the

whole candor bottle city thing was a much more

personal thing because they had uh super girls

family in candor so he was essentially this mass

kidnapper and uh i guess torturer so you know

anyway so that's pretty cool what's your number

four sir erin mine uh my number four is terry

mcginnis I love Terry McGinnis. He's the character

that logically should be terrible. You know,

the teenage sidekick, the Batman. You know, he's

not Robin, so he has to be terrible, right? No!

Turns out he's actually awesome. He's a tough

kid. He's a really smart kid. He's an extremely

well -developed character. He's compelling. From

the first two -part episode, you already think

he's awesome and you want to see more of his

story. So yeah, I think he's the best original

character they made for the entire DCAU, in my

opinion. What's your number four, Steve? I would

have to say that I like the first Robin. that

shows up. I like the Dick Grayson Robin. Even

when he goes into the Nightwing persona, I like

him just because he challenges Batman a little

bit when he thinks that Batman's wrong, but he's

more or less Batman's equal even though Batman

doesn't see him that way. Right, yeah. My number

three is Hog Girl. I don't know what it is. I

just have a thing for the way that Maria Canales

Barrera voiced her. I have a thing for just the

way that she and John, their whole relationship

blossomed from Wild Cards forward and just the

whole time travel thing and all that stuff. I

just really liked her. I liked how... We started

seeing tidbits of her past like in in Twilight

and stuff But we didn't really see too many hints

and then later on as season two progressed in

Justice League We saw more and more obviously

building up to star -crossed, but I know I just

I've always liked hot girl So she would be my

number three. What about you Aaron? What's your

number three? My number three is Superman Which

version? Oh the animated series no, no, no, which

which voice version daily or new burn. Yeah daily.

Okay new burn I Thought he got really really

good in the second season of Justice League and

in JLU. Mm -hmm, but I think daily had see I

always kind of felt like New Bern had to act

like Daly whereas Daly was just being himself

and he felt a lot more comfortable and natural

in the role And I felt like he seemed very genuine

I really liked how they made Superman Well, you

know it they were adapting the post -crisis reboot

version by John Byrne where they made him a basically

he's not this demigod, like the Christopher Reeve

version was, he was basically just a guy, a really

good guy who happened to have superpowers. So

he was much more of a human version of the character,

more relatable. And yeah, he was sort of the

guy that I always wanted to be as a kid. So yeah,

he's my number three. I want to watch you, Steve.

I would have to say that I like I would have

to say Lex Luthor Just because he's the ultimate

badass. That's a dick with money and He's just

a thorn in everybody's side whether it be Bruce

and World's finest or constantly Superman or

just anybody that gets in his way And the voicing

form is epic Yeah, Clancy Brown was awesome.

I've never heard a better Lex Luthor voice, in

my opinion. Yeah. My number two is Green Arrow.

When Green Arrow showed up in JLU, I was like,

oh, hell yeah. The way they had Ollie portrayed

in JLU was just so awesome. I mean, I think that

is his main way of portraying him, right, Nightwing?

As far as, oh, I'm an old lefty and blah, blah,

blah, blah. I believe in the little, you know,

helping the little guy, that kind of thing. Yeah,

he's more comedic. In Justice League, a lot more

likable. He comes off kind of like a dick in

the comics sometimes. Okay. Just because he's...

But there isn't so much of a difference between

the comics and the cartoon, right? no there is

not it's very very similar I love the way just

the way Ken Schreiner I think it's Schreiner

or Shriver I think it's Schreiner Ken Schreiner

had voiced him I just love the voice for him

and just you know like you said just the comedic

bits that he does is just I just love him so

much that's so cool what about you what's your

number two my number two is Nightwing no one

expected that Yeah. No, I love the fact that

he is the young kid, the sidekick, who then grows

up and becomes his own superhero. He is currently

in all of superhero dumb whatever. He is the

definitive idea of the character who started

out as a kid and then grew up into his own man,

into his own hero. He transcended the sidekick

role. He created his own identity, which was

very clearly Sure, inspired by Batman, but he

is his own man. We don't see enough of him in

the DCAU, but still what we see of him is pretty

awesome. I love the fact that he's Batman, but

he's not as much of a jerk as Batman. His costume

is amazing too. I love his super simplistic black

suit with the blue bird symbol. It's pretty great.

I love also how he's like the big brother for

Tim Drake. That's a lot of fun. Yeah, I love

the Old Wounds episode. That was so cool. Yeah,

I loved that. As a kid, I was like, oh my gosh,

it's the origin of Nightwing. I was freaking

out. And yeah, anyway, so that's my number two.

Steve, what about you? What's your number two?

I would have to say the Joker, just because he's

the ultimate badass. The ultimate villain of

the the the Batman animated series the ultimate

villain that pretty much anybody's head to face

Whether I mean unless it's like Darkseid or you

know or somebody but he's the ultimate regular

Just your everyday villain like I don't know

He just kicks major ass. Yep My number one surprise

surprise Kevin Conroy as Batman. Just... No one

before Kevin Conroy got the role of Batman ever

really changed the voice between Bruce and Batman.

You look at 1989 Batman. It's just Michael Keaton

just voicing the character. He doesn't really

change his inflection. And of course, being in,

you know, a 600 -pound rubber suit, who could

really change your voice inflection? However,

however much that stupid rubber suit weighed.

But like, we knew distinctly when Batman the

Animated Series started, and it kind of took

a few episodes to kind of get into it, but we

knew distinctly who the Bruce went, like he set

it, Conroy set it up like it was two separate

characters. And I really, really like that, and

just as I said before, anything that comes out

of his mouth in Justice League is just comedy

gold. Nightwing, what's your number one? My number

one is Adam West as Batman. No, I'm kidding.

No, it is definitely. I totally agree. Kevin

Conroy is Batman. He is the best developed, most

well -rounded, and just the deepest character

of the entire DCAU. Even though I'm a bit more

of a Superman fan, I will totally admit that

in this universe, Batman is the more well -rounded

character. In the finale of JLU, where they show

all the heroes running down the steps towards

the screen, Batman's right in the center, and

it's like, yeah, that's where he deserves to

be, right there. So absolutely, number one. Steve?

Just to take a step back and go back to the Joker,

I'd have to say that Mark Hamill is the ultimate

Joker, though. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, totally, definitely.

To this to my number one I would have to agree

100 % Conrad is the most kick -ass Batman ever

Yep So the next list that we're gonna get into

is top five disappointments. I really struggled

with this one. I really did So my number five

was like Jill, you had a lot of Green Arrow,

but I don't think they had enough. So my number

five was not enough Green Arrow stories. Just

because, like I said before, I love the way that

Ken Schreiner voiced him and I just love the

way that Green Arrow's character came across

in Justice League Unlimited. What about you,

Aaron? What's your number five disappointment?

My number five is not enough Batgirl in BTAS,

just because I think... They kind of introduced

her in a two -parter in btas and then she came

back once. Yeah, it's like well, you know Why

didn't they bring her back more? I mean, of course,

she was a regular in TNBA Yeah, but it's like

but in btas she she had so much potential there,

you know Why didn't they do that? So that's mine

The only thing I would say to that is I prefer

the voice change from btas to TNBA I prefer Tara

Strong's Batgirl versus oh, yeah I forget who

did the original voice off the top of my head.

I agree wholeheartedly with you. Your decision

there. Steve, what's your number five disappointment?

Mine would be, and I had to write all these down

because I can't keep it track, they didn't bridge

the gap between Justice League Unlimited and

beyond about the war. Right near apocalypse and

you know and all those things I mean where the

hell is that story? Where the hell did you know

Bruce get old? Where did he create? You know

his in -between suit of JL you to the the beyond

suit I mean, I know there was at least one more

suit between there now and the comics written

by Those guys did show him wearing a kind of

you know magnetic Electrical suit type thing

yeah between, but I would have loved to have

seen that in an animation. I've always said that

the way the DCAU timeline goes for me from Justice

League to Batman Beyond is you have Destroyer

being the end of Justice League. The entire because

I don't view like I know it's separate But I've

never viewed Justice League and Justice League

unlimited as two separate entities I've viewed

them as a five season series of television so

I've always stated that I want a cartoon series

that takes place from destroyer the events that

happen after that up until you get to rebirth

i know it'll never happen but i wish it would

of back then before and i know you know batman

beyond came first in in production and then they

went back into justice family did justice league

later but i wanna bruised him style tv series

that has events after destroyer leading up to

them and beyond rebirth to par because that way

we could we could get those stories animation

what happened There is a problem with that if

only because I charted it out once I figured

out the entire DCA you timeline just in Just

from references in dialogue. I remember this

Yeah, just good like when Bruce says he's 80

or you know when Terry well someone says he's

he's 80 in and beyond then you go back in time

and you figure out Okay, this happened here in

here in here. The problem is the timeline makes

no sense. It's completely wrong because They

say that Batman Beyond is 50 years in the future

when it's only 40 at most if you actually count

it out. So it's like the timeline does not because

they very clearly were not focusing on the actual

universe when they were crafting the story. They

told the stories and the universe came after

that. So there is a problem there. Also, that

would be a really depressing series. Like, you

see Bruce getting older and Barbara leaves him,

and she goes and marries some other dude, and

Michael is gone. What I'm saying is that it's

character development, though. That's true, that's

true. It's super -defined character development.

And I'm not saying that we would see... I'm saying

that you would see... Really, honestly, the intro

to... You know the 20 years before like when

rebirth starts it says 20 years in the future

You know 20 years later. I forget what it says.

It's so like the very beginning of it when Bruce

has That well, there's there's nothing in the

beginning of that, but then it says 20 years

later right after that right What I'm saying

is like we could see him up to that point, but

he wouldn't be It's not like he'd be super old

because he gets older during beyond so i'm saying

is if you take from destroyer to the like the

first five minutes a rebirth you know we wouldn't

see we would see bruce age in that cartoon series

but we it's not like he's gonna go from being

mid thirties early forties or whatever to being

eighty immediately we're gonna see him progressively

age but you know up until he had that health

issue in that episode he was chicken ass it's

true it's true interesting What now, Steve? Taking

more names than you could. My number four disappointment

is what is easily the worst episode of Justice

League ever. War World. That's all that has to

be said. I'm not discussing it at all, but that's

my number four disappointment is War World. Oh

my god. Moving on. Yes. Nightwing, what's your

number four? My number four disappointment is

that there was no really good return of Ra's

al Ghul. I mean, it's like he came back, sort

of, in Batman Beyond. We don't go into that again.

That was a pretty good return, I would say, for

him. Yes, but what I mean is that he didn't come

back in the new Batman Adventures, and he kind

of came back in Superman, but... It was a weird

episode, you know, and they referenced him once

in, uh, nighttime. Um, but it's like for such

a huge character that has such a, uh, a big impact

on my thinking of the Batman mythos. I mean,

it would have been great for him to fight the

justice league, maybe, you know, um, do something

like that would work though. I'm sorry to cut

you off there. I don't think that would work

because race is purely psychological. And a lot

of the well like you couldn't have race versus

flash. I mean racial that you could You could

because he has the entire League of Shadows or

assassins but in which version you're talking

about He has an entire army of the best -trained

assassins and warriors on the planet. So They

don't show them that much in BTAS, but he has

an entire army that he's waiting to conquer the

entire world with. If the Joker can make a bunch

of bombs and send the Justice League going crazy

trying to defuse bombs in Las Vegas, I think

Reiche could start a mini war in, what was it

called? The country that everyone is always -

Yeah, Casnia. He could just like, he could take

over Casnia. He and Fatal Savage could have like

a team up or something, that'd be funny. Wow,

that would be crazy. Steve, what's your number

four? No other villains from BTAS show up in

Batman Beyond besides Bane, the Joker, Raish,

and Mr. Freeze. Well, that's the that like I

could see if you made the argument for Justice

League and jail you because of the bad embargo

But at that point in beyond they were they didn't

want to just recycle The BTIS villains they wanted

they did Well, no, I'm not saying that they didn't

but what I'm saying is like they didn't want

to recycle every single villain You don't have

to face beyond you don't have poison ivy beyond

you know what I mean? You have Scarecrow Beyond.

Well... It would have been nice to have had,

to have found out what happened to them. Yeah,

some closure. That's all I was really looking

for. Yeah. Yeah, I think we got some good stuff

with that with Mr. Freeze and with Bane. And

I guess with Race too. And the Joker. That's

true. But, you know, hey, what happened to the

Riddler? What happened to Catwoman? I mean, she's

reference. What happened to her? Well, we know

what happened to the Riddler. He was stuck in

the computer. No, actually it wasn't Yeah, cuz

he was out later That's right back in one of

the new adventures episodes, but that's right

I know they have a scene in Arkham Asylum in

return to the Joker where they show poison ivy's

tomb Joker hanging from the ceiling and then

they have poison ivy's tomb and you know the

riddler and some of the other guys, but It's

just it never actually showed anything Yeah Mm

-hmm of his rogues gallery, you know My number

three is and I know Bruce Tim has said that you

know, he didn't want to do this because Didn't

want GL looking like a heel and all that but

we really get no resolution For GL and hot girl

during jail jail you I mean Yes, we know he stole

my number three I wrote the exact same sentence.

No resolution to the John Shayer relationship

I mean yes I know that obviously they're going

to you know hook up in the future obviously if

Warhawk's around but I mean it just I don't know

this is one of the reasons why I wish Justice

League would have somehow continued I think if

they had waited to do but see the problem with

JLU continuing is in season five they had a strict

timeline they were following because When legions

when legion of doom started the the initiation

episode the seat the season 5 opener And then

you go to like shadow of the hawk and then later

down the line you get to ancient history you

see a defined timeline of each like six months

or three months or whatever and you get to Alive

and destroyer and that's pretty much it. But

yeah, no that we needed more closure on that

Yeah, that's the one big huge open thread that's

never resolved and it's kind of like How did

how did Warhawk get made was was it a one -night

stand did they get married? I mean, how did it

happen? That's these are important things Yeah,

that's that's one of my theories. Yeah, that

that that's very possible. He doesn't have Green

Lantern powers though Well, he wouldn't I have

green wings of destiny. Shara was one cranky

pregnant lady. Yeah. What I want to know is how

the hell Static knows that. That's what I want

to know. Well, I guess maybe - Static was there.

Yeah, I figure, you know, once Shara was pregnant,

for some reason Static's there and John's like

yelling at him like, you help her! And Static's

like, I don't know what's going on! And they

just freak out. Yeah, I'll be your baby daddy.

It'd be funny if Stedic just lied and they were

just screwing with John the whole time. Like

he's not actually, Mora doesn't actually share

his son. That'd be funny. See the thing of it

is though is... He resembles him though and he's

got the warlike tendencies that... That and if

you guys... What was that stupid episode? The

Metamorphosis in Justice League The character

of Rex Mason Didn't GL say something about one

of these days I'm gonna name my kid after you

or something to Mason and then lo and behold

in once and future thing we have Rex Stewart

That's an alternate timeline. I hate when people

bring that crap up. I know it's an alternate

timeline, but still, it's still cool. Steve,

what's your number three? The Joker died. I pose

this to you, which death are you more disappointed

with, Tim shooting him or him electrocuting himself?

See, I see the electrocution as a ultimatum final

destruction. I can see that as a more fitting

death because it's killed by his own gags. But,

and I mean, granted he was killed by his own

gags by Tim, but I think that was kind of a puss

way out. To put it lightly Just because Joker

getting shot in the chest. He's falling off fucking

buildings for God's sakes and not died Yeah,

I think the whole shooting in the chest thing

it works better as a character moment for Tim

not yeah the Joker Yeah, joke was kind of lame

and if you go with the electrocution That's still

not that great because I mean he got locked in

his own freaking mind once he's fallen off buildings

He's gotten battered blown up and yet. He's still

there the next episode Yeah My number two Aaron

will actually love this now I know that during

jail and daily you there was the bad embargo

on the is it it was it the entire Bat family

characters outside of Batman or was it just the

villains that had the bad embargo Wait, wait,

hang on. Hang on. Are you what to say? Not enough

Nightwing What I was gonna say was not enough

Robin slash Nightwing voiced by Lauren that's

my number two what the heck You guys are doing

a mind reading session before I know you guys

had a gypsy But yeah, I mean I like like I love

Matthew Valencia doing Tim Drake and Tim Drake

was a completely different character I'm glad

that they got a younger person to do Tim Drake

in in new Batman adventures But like Lauren Lester

voicing Robin and then later Nightwing that is

easily the best Robin ever. I mean, outside of

like Casey Kasem and um, Chris O'Donnell. Yeah,

I think yeah, I mean my number two is not enough

Nightwing period and I meant like in the entire

DCA you not just Justice League But I mean like

even in new bit and adventures even in Batman

Beyond I mean he was referenced twice into and

beyond he never showed up well by the time well

wait a second here by the time you get to Beyond

there was There was Drake and Nightwing there

was I mean there was the there was both of them.

So When they were talking about the Robin in

Batman Beyond, they could have been talking about

Tim Drake and not Dick Grayson. Oh, no, but they

mentioned Grayson. No, no, no. I know that they

do, but what I'm saying is when you're specifically

talking about the character of Robin in general...

Okay, Neil, you talk about that. That works.

Right. What I'm saying is, like, when you're

talking about the character of Robin in Batman

Beyond in general, it could mean either Dick

or Tim. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. But continue. Well,

no. Yeah, I mean my number two is not enough

Nightwing period just because he showed up for

like three or four episodes in TNBA and and that

that was that he was great in those but I kind

of felt like he was a character that There's

actually a lot of mystery around him. Yeah I

mean we knew he went off and did some training

like Bruce did he learned some like Brazilian

martial arts But he just kind of showed up with

this mysterious guy and he's gone and it's like,

okay, that's cool but We don't really know anything

about him and then they reference him again mysteriously

in and up and beyond and then you know Barbara

groan's like look up Nightwing someday as he

got stories and it's like please do I want to

see him and it's like Come on I want to see elderly

Nightwing beating people up and training Nightwing

Beyond. Oh my god Or you like a Nightwing mech

that he drives around and he fly there was a

Nightwing plane. It's a flying mech That'll be

awesome. Anyway, although he did show up for

like half a second in Justice League in the background.

That was cool Yeah, what was it the funeral scene

for Superman in here after well actually I think

Dick Grayson might have appeared there, but no

it was in a grudge match Nightwing actually appears

in silhouette. Oh, that's right beginning of

that. Yeah, that's right Yeah, Steve, what's

your number two most disappointing moment? The

there's no filler between Batman Beyond and epilogue

That's true. Mm -hmm. I would have loved nothing

more than And silence that's because you cut

out so you're gonna have to do your I would love

nothing more than again bacon I love nothing

more than bacon. Bacon is good. I would love

nothing more than to see a filler type thing,

finding out what happened between Batman Beyond

and Epilogue. Because it's epically awesome.

I mean, we did get that JLU flashback. Wrong.

No, I know but what I'm saying is that you know

that that still goes to my thing of You know

the same thing between destroyer and Batman Beyond

but yeah, I see what you're saying there My number

one most disappointing thing in the entire DCA

you is the Zeta project I just don't epic fail.

I really like Oswald from Drew Carey, Dedrick

Bader voicing Zeta. I'd rather have him voicing

Zeta than voicing Batman in Brave and the Bold.

Oh my god, don't get me started. Don't know.

He is awesome in that show. Seriously? No. Yes.

No. As that crazy silly version of Batman, he's

awesome. He's amazing. Anyways. But, you know,

pretty much for all the same reasons I mentioned

before in this episode about Zeta, the colors

were too bright. You know, this, that, and the

other thing, everything else. But yeah, it just

wasn't a real good shining moment for the DCAU,

I didn't think. So Aaron, what's your number

one? My number one is related to my number two.

It's basically just, there's not enough, there

are not enough bad characters in Justice League.

You know, it's like there's Batman and Joker

and that's it. There's the embargo, but I don't

care. Even in the first two seasons of Justice

League, there weren't enough bat characters.

I feel like Batman was the main character of

the DCAU for several years on straight. He had

two or three cartoons dedicated to him or Terry,

basically. You know, I felt like he needed more

attention, and the fact that he was just kind

of there for most of the show, and he didn't

really see... I mean, he got to go visit The

Flash's hometown and see what's up with him.

You went to Metropolis a couple times. You got

to see the personal lives of Hot Girl and Green

Lantern every now and then. No Batman. Even when

the Joker shows up, it's just him and Batman

talking and that's about it. There's no personal

stuff going on there. You rarely ever see Bruce

out of the mask. There's no Tim Drake, no Nightwing,

no Batgirl. That's disappointing to me. No villains

other than the Joker. It's not like it's unacceptable

to me. I think it's really disappointing. Steve,

what's your number one most disappointing moment?

Besides Zeta? Yeah. That they just didn't continue

it. They had a good thing going. I mean, I know

why they usually switch it up, but I mean, I

just think that they had a good thing going on

there, that it was kind of, I don't know, bad

to switch gears. But again, they don't stay with

anything forever. True, true. And you have to

move on and grow and all that and good stuff.

So who cares about growing Fuck that shit. So

the next list we're going to do is our Top 10

male female voice actors that are kind of you

know, male and female are spirited out throughout

the list I might as well stick to formula. My

number 10 is Phil Lamar not just for Green Lantern,

but for static for Steel. I know he did a couple

other side character voices throughout DCAU,

but just Phil has such great range. What about

you, Nightwing? What's your number 10? Mine are

in no particular order, unfortunately. Somewhere

around number 10 would be Corey Burton as Brainiac.

I think he was pretty amazing. So yeah, go with

that one. Steve? Mark Hamill, the Joker. Okay.

My next one would be, you know, Cory Burton as

Brandy Neck. Just really, really great voicing

on Cory's part. It's funny because Cory voiced

two of... The best robots and two different of

my fandoms he voices shockwave and transformers

and he voices brain. I can in DCA you Nightwing

what's your next one? My next one is gonna be

Michael Dorn is Calaback It's my it's Michael

Dorn man, yeah, and he's playing Calaback I love

how he plays Calaback is like kind of an idiot,

but a warrior idiot But anyway, yeah, him saying

uncle in Justice League is hilarious. Say it!

Say it! Uncle! Steve, what's your next one? My

next one would be David Warner as Ra's Al Ghul.

Just because, I don't know, the voice on anything

he does is epic, but he's just kick -ass. Yeah.

My next one is Jennifer Hale. Just anything that

she does, she just brings her all to it. Even

though Giganta's origins are kind of creepy,

the human version of Giganta was just really,

really great. And in comparison to that, she

also voiced Killer Frost and just the comparison

between those two different characters and just

the way that she differentiated the voices for

them. I thought was really, really great. What

about you, Nightwing? What's your next one? Uh,

Gilbert Gottfried. Uh, Mr. McSie Spitlick. McSie?

Yeah. Yeah. Gil Tipsy's in. Yeah. That's funny.

So, yes, yes, that's definitely in there. Steve,

what's your next one? Um, my next one would be...

Clancy Brown as Lex Luthor. My next one would

be Powers Booth as Red Tornado. I wanted to put

Red Tornado out there, but more specifically

Gorilla Grodd, just the way Powers voiced him.

I don't really care for the character of Grodd,

but yeah, no one really knew until, like I didn't

know until I heard Bruce Tim say something about

it on one of the commentaries. That they, you

really can't tell that it's Powers Booth doing

the voice of Red Tornado because of the effects

that are put on that voice, but it is him doing

it. What about you Aaron, what's your next one?

Mine's Clancy Brown is like Slyther Just you

know for reasons everyone knows yeah Steve Kevin

Conroy as the goddamn Batman Yeah, that's enough

said right there I mean really yeah um my next

one like everybody else Clancy Really for Again,

I know I've been referencing this episode a lot

here in the in the wrap -up but simply for the

end of destroyer Sorry, I'm late. I had to go

get my power suit What about you nightwing what's

your next one I'm gonna go with Tara strong as

a bad girl Hmm very interesting Well, I mean,

okay Batgirl slash Raven, but you know Not the

same. Yeah and continuity. We know Yes, I I really

liked her as Batgirl a lot. I don't know why

it's just yeah, I got like like You know how

sometimes you'll watch a show and you'll hear

a voice actor or voice actress do a role and

then they'll switch it up and you'll like the

second one better. That's kind of what happened

to me with BTIS. Like, I'm okay with the... Again,

I haven't looked it up during this episode, but

I'm okay with the voice actors that did the first

part of Batgirl in BTIS, but I liked it a heck

of a lot better when it was Tara doing it. Steve,

what's your next one? Will Friedel as Terry McGinnis.

Or Terry Wayne, but yeah Whatever. No, I know

I know technically it is McGinnis. I know it

is McGinnis, but Still surprised he wouldn't

change his name eventually over the years, but

that'd be kind of weird. I know it wasn't it

Yeah, but well was did a really really good job

with with Terry My next one is Maria Canales

Barrera as Hot Girl. Again, just, I really love

the character of Hot Girl and I love the way,

just the way that her voice lent itself to Hot

Girl. What about you, Maria? I don't want your

next one. Will Friedle. Period. Steve? I've run

out. You've run out. Okay. My next one is Dana

Delaney. She is the definitive Lois Lane ever.

Definitive animated Lois Lane. I would say that

for me, the definitive live action Lois would

probably be, I know I'm probably going to get

blasphemy for this, but Terry Hager from Lois

and Clark. Shut up. She scares me. Why is she?

That's a discussion for another day. Moving on.

What's your next one? Uh, mine is Michael Ironside

as Darkseid. Stop stealing my stuff. I guess

we can just talk about that together then. We've

kind of already mentioned it. Michael Ironside

as Darkseid is just awesome. Yep, yep, perfect.

Recently, actually, a friend of mine, he and

I, we watched Superman -Batman Apocalypse together.

He hadn't seen... the DCAU before, so he had

never seen Darkseid before. So I had to explain

the entire Jack Kirby's fourth world universe

to him, like, oh, OK, this is Darkseid. These

are all the different characters. And then I

was like, OK, his voice, don't imagine that.

I'm going to show you the real voice later. So

after we finished watching it, I showed him the

fight between Superman, Darkseid, and Twilight.

And he was like, oh, yeah, that's a better voice.

And I was like, yes, it is. That's all we need

to know. My next one is actually a tie, and I

can do this because I said that I never noticed

the voice change at the time, but I notice it

now. Tim Daley and George Newburn. Tim Daley

will always be the ultimate animated Superman,

but George Newburn still, with the way that the

character of Superman turned, just the way that

he was portrayed in Justice League, they kept

the continuity from STAS. With but George still

put the emotion in just as Tim would as far as

from like what it like like Darkseid and granny

goodness and all that like all that history George

really did nail it and I I like them both as

the animated Superman's Well, what's your Aaron

what's your I guess this technically would be

well, what's your next one? The thing is that

the number third one at standalone II So we've

watched about her, she's amazing. Alright, move

on. This is actually my number one, but Steve

said it best, the goddamn Batman. I mean, Kevin

Conroy. You don't get any better than Kevin Conroy

when it comes to, I mean, Bruce Greenwood did

a really good job in Red Hood, Under the Red

Hood, but I mean, other versions of animation

of Batman, Like after DCAU, like up until now.

Haven't really liked them. Any of them. Especially

Oswald. Anyway, sorry. I think the worst one

probably so far has been Reno Romano as Bruce

and the Batman. No, I would disagree with that.

I would say the worst one was Jeremy Sisto in

New Frontier. Oh, see, I like him. I like him

as an actor. I prefer seeing him on Law and Order

rather than voicing Batman. Okay, see, I like

to use his Batman. But no, okay, my second place,

technically, since this is... I actually put

up the full ten. My second place is Mark Hamill

as the Joker. And as the trickster. joker and

trickster i love how they actually drew him like

he was the trickster um as he played him in the

live action flash tv show right so they actually

drew mark hamill that was pretty funny yeah um

you have any other thoughts steve before we move

on nope now we're gonna get into the five best

and one worst theme songs of the entire dcau

um I'm just going to read through my list. We'll

discuss them, but I just want to get through

the list and not kind of rotate because it's

just... My number five is the Batman Beyond theme.

Four is Superman the Animated Series. Three is

the BTAS main title that Danny Elfman did. Number

two is the new Batman Superman Adventures and

number one is JLU. For me, Batman Beyond was

great. superman the animated series was great

the btas main is awesome but i really really

love as i said before the marriage between btas

and stas theme for the new batman superman adventures

it just it was so epic and everybody loved the

original justice league theme but i really latched

on to the jlu theme it has it's more of a rock

tempo it's more of It's more epic to me than

the original Justice League theme and I just

absolutely love those So Nightwing, what are

your five? All right in order from worst to best

It goes JL you Superman Batman Superman Batman

the animated series the alternate title the second

one that one with the Shirley Walker original

theme not the Danny Elfman, right? Yeah, and

then Batman Beyond is my favorite So yeah, I

mean I agree that JLU theme is a lot more fun

I do I loved the Justice League opening titles

when they were first airing but then after a

while I got really bored with them. Yeah, I get

it. They're the Justice League. Let's move on

Yeah, when I was um when I was doing the secret

origins podcast and I was watching Justice League

episodes on the DVDs I would just I would watch

the opening scene. I would hear like two seconds

of the theme and fast forward Through the opening

titles In contrast, I would watch every single

bit and beyond opening title. I'm like, yeah

So yeah, and I gotta say I love the Batman animated

theme so much the original version I that's my

favorite maybe my favorite superhero theme of

all time actually Yeah, so yeah, I love that.

So anyway What about you, Steve? What's your

top five list? My favorite theme songs would

be, in no particular order, well, I lie. My number

five would be JLU, followed by Superman the Animated

Series, followed by New Adventures, followed

by Beyond and then Batman the Animated Series.

Yeah. Because you just can't beat the Batman

themes. Yeah, and I get that and that's great

and everything else but one of the main things

that I really love about the JLU theme and why

I put it at number one was because of like the

last 20 seconds of that one minute theme. The

best way I can describe it is when you're watching

the title sequence and it has a green arrow coming

at you with his arrow and then it fades to the

big three and all the superheroes flying behind

their heads and you have this, and then it goes,

oh, you know, that kind of like godlike thing

and I just, I absolutely love that. And the one

that I really don't like as far as like a worst

song out of the shows, in the dcau the static

themes were just okay they weren't really my

style um i didn't really i don't know just didn't

really hit with me i guess um the next category

we're going to go to is two favorite shows from

the dcau spotlight that we cover here on tune

cast and two least favorite shows from the dcau

spotlight that we covered here on Tunecast. My

two favorites are JLJLU, because as I said before,

I consider them one series, and Batman the Animated

Series, the entire run, which includes new adventures.

Nightwing, what about you? My two favorites would

be... Oh wow, we got Brainiac on the line with

us. Yeah, your microphone's acting weird. You

sound like a robot. That's weird. Yeah, it's

like really staticky Braniac took over Don I

hate him so nightwing what are your two favorite

shows from the spotlight here on to cast that

we covered for DCA you? Superman and Batman Cool.

And then my least favorite are... No, we're not

there yet. Oh, fine. Steve, what are your two

favorites? Steve, what are your two favorites?

And yeah, yeah, what are your two favorites from

the ones we covered? Oh god, this episode's gonna

be so... Batman the Animated Series and Batman

Beyond. Somehow I didn't not expect that, but

yeah. Highest. My two least favorite shows from

the DCAU spotlight here on Tooncast Zeta and

The show that didn't actually get covered the

show that the show that shall not be named But

Zeta is really the only one I had an issue with

And then of course Teen Titans, which is not

in continuity uh... and what about you and he's

actually least favorite is they don't static

no reason other than they're just have to be

the lowest ranked right now uh... steve what

are your least favorites uh... my least favorites

i'd put zeta and zeta No Zeta and Teen Titans,

which is not in continuity. Yes. Oh 14 Titans.

It's a great show bastards Hey Robin's not a

bastard. He's an orphan. It's different it makes

no sense It makes dollars Wow, all right, so

next we're gonna talk about the DVD releases

Mainly, this is just gonna be me going on at

length. One of the things I've noticed about

the individual releases, stuff like they put

out the Batman Superman movie, which is basically

the world's finest three -parter re -edited to

make it feel like a more movie thing. They basically

took out the opening and closing title sequence.

and they added end credit sequence with music

for that. I really liked that one and I thought

that was a really good release because it has

features on it with Bruce Timm like showing you

how to draw Batman. It has him telling you about

the first meeting of the villains between Lights

and Joker. It has him telling you how they went

about doing the meeting of the villains and then

the meeting of the heroes. And I really like

that one. The other really great one was Star

-Crossed, which was, again, a re -edited version

of the three -part Justice League episode. One

of the reasons why I would say that this is probably

the best individual release is that it had its

own introduction, basically a repurposed Justice

League theme. At the beginning of it with its

own title sequence and at the end it had a like

a really sad It starts out with the sad Green

Lantern hot girl love theme and then it goes

into like a sadder like a really really emotional

version of the Justice League outro the other

thing about this DVD set is it has What a feature

Hawkman from comics to cartoon basically it's

a feature with Bruce Tim and and and and all

those people Telling you why pro -talic is what

they used because obviously they wouldn't let

you know DC wouldn't let them use Carter Hall

Or k -tar hall and and and ruin the image of

Hawkman himself but Yeah, that would be the two

really really good ones I can't speak for any

of the other individual ones because I don't

really have them I would say that the individual

one for Batman Beyond the first five Episodes

the Batman Beyond the movie as they title it

really doesn't have a lot to it so but the other

ones that For me, I'm a completist when it comes

to these things, so Batman the Animated Series

is the complete series. Yes, I know it's just

a transfer from the volume sets, but still having

it in one big thing is awesome. The same thing

with Superman and Justice League, just having

those in one big set is just really, really awesome.

I wish that they would put out the static DVDs.

I know it's probably not going to happen, but

I wish that they would eventually. It'll happen

eventually, I'm sure. Or at least digitally,

they'll come out. I wish. Nightwing, you got

any thoughts on the DVD stuff? Only that the

stupid Superman animated DVDs are dual -sided

discs to save money and those are terrible and

I hate them. Yes. Also, one major gripe I have

is that the packaging for almost all the sets

is really cheap cardboard, and I take really

good care of my DVD box sets. Like, I don't toss

them around or do anything with them, but, I

mean... Honestly within like a couple months

of me owning them the edges were already starting

to turn white from just wear from just From taking

them off and on the shelf. Yeah, they're they're

not durable by any means whatsoever Yeah, the

individual seasons slash, you know individual

discs. Yeah, they're not that great. I will say

that the Batman complete animated series box

Is very durable I find I mean obviously you're

not gonna be doing a lot with it But it's a lot

better quality I would say they kind of failed

though when they went to do the Batman Beyond

complete series because it's the same style box

as BTAS But it's that same like you were saying

a second ago It's it's that not really that great

a cardboard like the BTAS set the complete series

set is almost like a vinyl packaging not It's

kind of weird to describe, but the Beyond Complete

Series set is just that really, really bad cardboard.

And really, there's nothing wrong with the JLU

Complete Series set because that is a 10. That's

pretty awesome. Yeah, that's a 10 with the two

DVD things in there. But the individual seasons

and series, I can see... Where your complaint

is Steve you have any thoughts on the on the

DVD stuff? If you do happen to get them do not

go to eBay buy them directly from Amazon or anywhere

else because I got screwed like I said before

is But I'm very happy even though I have the

individual sets Yes, so we are gonna go to a

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as people and not just, you know, hey look, they're

superheroes. I don't know, it's just very well

done. You can see that it was a letter of love.

Bruce Timm absolutely loves this comics universe,

these characters, and everyone that worked on

the series probably shared that love to some

degree, because I don't think there's really

any bad episodes, at least ones. I pretty much

loved everything of Justice League. The only

one that I would really complain about was the

Eclipso episode, because I read those comics

growing up, and it just... for me it didn't really

ring true for the character but overall is probably

my absolute favorite uh series so far in the

dca like i love batman superman to death but

i've always been more of a keen person in terms

of comic books so it's up there it's like batman's

first justice league second to be honest but

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