Lady and the Tramp and Scamp’s Adventure

Chief Quimby here, and your assignment is to

listen to Tunecast. Ladies and gentlemen, this

is a preview of the motion picture event soon

to be seen in this theater. We would like to

show you and tell you something about Walt Disney's

Lady and the Tramp. It's his happiest motion

picture, a story about dogs. Open your heart

and build some glowing memories as Walt Disney

takes you into that wonderful world you always

hoped did exist and never knew for sure until

now, the world of dogs. To anyone who's ever

owned a dog, loved a dog, or just wanted a dog,

This picture is yours, heart and soul. You'll

meet Lady, the belle of the social sec. She was

beautiful, innocent, intelligent. And besides,

she owned the nicest family in town. Lady was

the catch of the season. That is, until the day

that Tramp came into her life. Tramp, soldier

of fortune. The Casanova from the wrong side

of the tracks. who wore no man's collar. It's

what they do to your happy home. Move it over,

will you, friend? You'll meet Jock, officially

known as Heather Ladd of Glencairn, of the Blue

Blood Glencairns, who collected blue ribbons,

silver cups, and bones. That's a grand sight.

There's Faithful Trusty, the bloodhound of the

Old South, but now given to dreams of faded glories.

And there are the rollicking, roistering boys

in the back room down at the dog pound. Boris,

remnant of the old aristocracy who has fallen

on evil days. He's like Gorky says in lower depths,

quote, miserable being must find more miserable

being. Then he's happy. Pedro, whose visa and

luck ran out at the same time. And my sister,

Rosita Chiquita Juanita Chihuahua. And Peg. Slightly

sharp -worn sabret from the dog and pony follies,

who knew many things. One of them, how to sell

a song. If he's a trap, he's a good one. And

I wish that I could travel his way. Wish that

I could travel his way. Wish that I could travel

his way. And you'll meet Mr. Busy, the eager

beaver. And the pair of mischievous orientals,

Psy and Am. It's Easter, it's Christmas, it's

New Year's Eve. All the merry celebrations of

your life. rolled into one happy entertainment

as Lady and the Tramp take you into their enchanted

world. Welcome to the 85th episode of Tooncast

brought to you by the GeekCast Radio Network.

I am your host, T .O. Joe and Mike, and today

joining me once again is Kevin, Optimus Solo

Thompson. Hello. Yes, sir. And also with us is

Tara, the rising star. Hello. Hey. Yes, I had

to add that part. It's not in the script. That's

okay. At least you're thinking about it. I do

not exist in this episode. I'm a ghost. It's

the figment of people's imaginations. They're

hearing voices! Wow. For some strange reason

I really need to put a piece of that Disturbed

song in here. Oh man. No, seriously. So today

we're going to be jumping back into the Disney

Vault and talking about the Lady and the Tramp

franchise. So what has been going on with you,

Kev? Oh, let's see. We just released our sixth

episode of the telecast. So you can go check

all those out. We also just released our very

first supplemental episode which talks about

the theme about the top ten people you would

want to be friends with from 80s and 90s kids

live action TV shows. So you can get all that

stuff as well as check out the theme song contest

and the listener's choice. thing over on the

telecast page at GeekCastRadio .com and with

BehindTheVoiceActors .com I haven't done a lot

in the last couple days but I did just put a

major blood voice compare up for GI Joe. I put

a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles picture up for

Voice This as well as a Sonic the Hedgehog thing

and I actually submitted a clip for the Turtles

one and I don't usually submit clips to Voice

This. Check that out and that section is going

to be getting revamped soon. So just stay tuned

for that. Thank you First we have to deal with

our major Reveal that we're going to be doing

towards January 1st, so Should be right around

the corner. I should be right around the corner

and I think you'll like it Now you mean you guys

just released episode five digits because I'm

looking into the into when this is actually an

air Okay, well whatever Okay, so what's going

on with you, Tara? Uh, well, I just drove for

the first time today, so I'm feeling pretty pleased

with myself. Yay. She didn't kill anybody. No.

Or herself, which is good. My neighborhood is

safe. For now. Yeah, you know, honestly, I just

realized, um, that I may actually... Have Steve

released this episode earlier than what is scheduled?

Because when I watched Lady and the Tramp, the

first film, I didn't realize it started at Christmas

time. So this may be a Christmas day release

for Tooncast. I don't know yet. That'd be interesting.

So everything Kevin just said would be out the

window. That still would work. It'll probably

be released early too, so. Well, yeah, that's

how Steve works sometimes. But anyway. Yes? I

don't know if you wanted to talk about it now

or talk about it later. I guess I'm kind of jumping

the gun, but the latest iTunes review we received.

Oh yeah, I was going to wait until we got to

the outro. Well, no, it's been a while since

it's already brought up. Because it's kind of

funny and I'm glad that Ken Curry is in the Ustream

chat here because I hope he... I hope he shares

the same opinion as I do. I don't know if he

does or not. I'm not actually looking at the

chat, so I can't see what he's typing here. But

yes, Tooncast has received yet another review,

unlike Telecast, which Telecast is the first

podcast we've ever had to receive two reviews

within two days of each other. Thanks. That is

awesome. Congrats Kev. Thank you. And we also

actually have enough ratings that we actually

show up with a rating now. Oh, sweet. So the

latest review for Tooncast is Young and Learning.

Wow. Hmm. It's a five -star review. It's by C.

Maximus. Hey, I wanted to give a review back

on your Popeye review, but iTunes would not allow

me to. I think it was my computer acting up like

you and Kevin have done. Amazing works, not just

with Tooncast, but with your other Geekcast Radio

Network podcasts. I also... Give credit to some

of your guest hosts. We've both allowed on the

show. They bring a touch of their own personality

to the show. I grew up in the early 90s, so I

received the tail end of some of these, some

of the material that we've covered. However,

thanks to the coverage you guys have provided

and sparked an interest in me to view the animations

in my own time and appreciate them more... I

appreciate them nonetheless, sorry. As for your

current podcast, Alice in Wonderland, excellent

work, guys. I viewed this movie a few years back

and didn't catch the drag references at all.

We didn't catch them until we recorded the episode.

Actually, I kind of knew, but yeah. I caught

them a long time ago. Well, you never were a

dare kid, so whatever. I was, actually. You guys

are doing an awesome job, and I look forward

to your next Disney spotlight, Peter Pan. Again,

this review was written on, actually it's published

on the 18th, but it was written when those episodes

were out. So P .S. I know this is old news to

you guys, but scrappy rules. Thundercats beat

Silverhawks any day, and not all Disney sequels

are bad, and thank you Kevin for finally seeing

that. No comment. I think he was specifically

mentioning the the sequels not all of them are

bad for you But yes, at least somebody agrees

with me on scrappy rules. So he must have heard

the Cinderella episode by that point because

isn't that the only I think that's the only sequel

I've said anything good about Well, I mean we've

really not really done So not I mean the Peter

Pan sequel really wasn't even meant to be covered

We just kind of mentioned it a little bit and

I basically pointed out that it's basically the

first movie with a different character a different

female lead and it basically if you took out

of the cut if you took the continuity stuff out

of it of Peter actually seeing Wendy at the end

it would basically be the exact same story as

the first film with the exception of like the

Wendy stuff and the hook and the crocodile stuff.

It's the exact same movie. I remember you mentioning

that. Yeah, I mean, I didn't dislike Return to

Neverland, but at the same time, it just it wasn't,

I don't know, whatever. I hear you. Yeah. It

wasn't what I guess maybe what you're trying

to say is it wasn't what you expected. Yeah,

no, it wasn't at all because and again it wasn't

like I had I hadn't seen return to Neverland

in forever I mean it had been when we recorded

and released episode 84 It had been a while since

I had seen that movie and when I watched it before

we recorded that episode. It was like Oh, wow.

It's like I'm watching Peter Pan all over again

with slightly different characters. And I don't

know if I mentioned in the Peter Pan episode,

I think it was such a friggin' cop -out that

they called the dog Nana Too. That was just so

horrible. Everyone makes fun of that. They're

like, oh, Nana Too. It's like Mew and Mew Too.

Anyway, never mind. I'm not starting a Pokemon

war. Yeah, let's not do that. Yeah. It says Disney

Spotlight. Yes, I know All right, so the other

thing that I've been doing besides Obviously

the telecast stuff and the b2a stuff was working

on ranking my top 100 Animated series of all

time Which is something that yes, we yes, we

need to mention this we need to bring this up

We're not going to reveal all details here but

once again so we have long since and both kevin

and i have long since uh... hated the people

and the old farts that i do you have an honest

i don't know i don't know who runs the idea of

website honestly don't know who they put in charge

of doing their lists but their top one hundred

animated series of all -time list is the worst

friggin list of all time it just is because these

people I did. It boggles my mind. These people

put Mask. I know Mask is not like the best 80s

cartoon, I get that. They put it in fucking 99.

There are some cartoons that we've covered on

Tooncast that aren't even on the fucking IGN

list whatsoever. The best illustration is IGN

put Beverly Hills Teens in there. Not only did

it put it on its top 100 list, it beat out things

like He -Man and all kinds of other good stuff.

You've got to be kidding me. So basically what

the point is, we finally said instead of bashing

them every single episode, which actually we

will continue to do, we're going to back up our

bashing and we're going to create our own list.

Yes, and we're going to be collaborating with

such podcasting networks as Chicken Pop Pod,

the Pop Culture Network, the people at Behind

the Voice Actors. Who else? This Week in Geek.

And I'm trying to, I haven't received a reply

yet, whether they want to be in on it, but I

would also like to get the Earth2 .net community

involved with this, mainly the people that do

their podcasting, which is Michael David Sims,

James Doe. uh... d w uh... dread all all those

people all those guys over there that do really

really cool podcast so it's going to be a major

geek collaboration we're going to create a better

list than i do and hopefully yes exactly so i

am ranking mine and i'm a little ahead of the

game since mike and myself obviously are kind

of the ones that are spearheading and we kind

of know the details already before we've reached

out to all those people so we've already been

working on ranking our list so It's kind of fun.

I went through a rough list a while ago, because

as Kevin said, by the time this episode airs,

we'll probably have more details. But we went

through a rough list. And I had, like Kevin was

like, oh, I got to cut all these shows because

I don't have enough. And then, oh, I got to add

these shows and whatever else. It took me 25

minutes to roughly get 100 cartoons total. to

rank in a top 100. And I wasn't at all disappointed

with the cuts that I made because the way I looked

at it and the way Kevin looked at it were two

different things. He had listed, he had sent

us a master list of pretty much every single

cartoon that any of us could think of that deserves

best of all time. And there was a majority of

it, a majority of it to me was educational cartoons.

Like Blue's Clues, like Caillou, like Clifford

the Big Red Dog. Like that's educational stuff.

That's for preschoolers in my mind. That's my

opinion. So all of that stuff ended up on the

cutting room floor on my list. And I looked at

my list and I'm like, wow. This is just nuts.

At first, Transformers Generation 1, at first,

was gonna be at number one. I was like, no, there's

no way I can make that number one. That's way,

it's being way too biased. So stay tuned for

more stuff on that. Yes, yes. We've got a whole,

Kevin's got this whole math voting system he's

gonna be using. He can do all that crap. Math

is, he can go die. It's gonna be epic, right

guys? It is. Yeah, it's, we're hoping it's gonna

be epic. It'll be a multi -part. podcast reveal

that epic. I think we're going to do it, we're

going to do a written version which will be just

one big long blog post on geekcastradio .com

and then we're also going to do an audio version

pretty much thanking everyone that contributed

to it. Thanking everyone that wrote in with their

choices and votes and everything else. And I

think we haven't really decided yet. We're either

going to do it in four episodes or five episodes

of the flagship show, Geekcast Radio. So we're

not exactly sure how that's going to plan out

yet. So it'll be cool. Yes, very much so. So

yeah, Kevin, why don't you hit us with the history

lesson for Lady and the Tramp. Alrighty then,

Lady and the Tramp is a 1955 animated film. produced

by Walt Disney, obviously, and released to theaters

on June 22nd by Buena Vista Distribution, so

this is not the old RKO that we had been talking

about in the earlier films. It is the fifteenth

animated feature in the quote -unquote Walt Disney

animated classic series. It was the first animated

feature filmed in the CinemaScope widescreen

film process. The story centers on a female American

cocker spaniel named Lady, who lives with a refined

upper -class of her middle -class family and

a male stray mutt called the Tramp and their

adventures together. So Micah, when did you first

see Lady and the Tramp? Well, like I said, I

believe it was Christmas of...it had to have

been...no, 1955, shut up. It probably was 88

or 89 actually because the reason why I remember

is it was a Christmas gift from my uncle. I got

this and Cinderella on those VHS big packs, the

special edition case VHSs that Disney used to

do. And we had just moved into our new house

that my uncles and my grandfather had built for

us. So it was probably 88 or 89 that I saw it.

And I think... Don't think. Shut up. It wasn't

my first exposure to Disney, but it was my first

exposure to those two films because I specifically

remember when we get to the Robin Hood episode,

I remember specifically seeing that before this.

Yeah. But yeah, watching this back, I have probably

no issues out of this film whatsoever, unlike

almost every other Disney film we've done. This

is probably the only one, at least the first

film here, is probably the only one that I really

have no issues or no real complaints about it.

I thought the story was very fluid. The only

parts I really didn't like... were answer and

those god damn cats uh... uh... i i i i think

i was gonna have an issue with it that would

probably be and i think that's why i ended up

being a dog lover and just hating cats all together

is because those god damn sammy's cats how do

you really feel about him hey people should know

by now we've been doing that we've been doing

tune cast for eighty -five episodes people should

know by now i fucking curse on my fucking show

as if i didn't know you hated cats so much Kev,

do we really want to know what Mike's opinion

about Kev is? I don't know there. I'm trying

to remember when I saw this first and I had to

be in the early 80s, like sometime between 83

and 85 is what I'm guessing. My family, we used

to have like a movie night where we'd go in our

basement, had a couple of couches and we'd either

have ice cream or popcorn and we'd watch movies.

Sometimes it was an actual VHS tape, sometimes

we'd watch Wonderful World of Disney or whatever

it was and whatever they were showing at the

time. But that's how I got exposed to all of

the Disney movies prior to maybe The Great Mouse

Detective in 86 when I was actually starting

to be old enough to see them somewhat when they

came out. That's why all the early Disney kind

of falls in the same category for me as my exposure.

It was all on VHS tapes as rentals or whatever

in the basement with my family. I am finally

glad though that we are done with the early Disney

crap. And I don't care how many people I make

angry by saying that, but we have suffered through

the first Disney film, which I won't mention

by name. We've suffered through stuff like it.

And I know some people like this, but... Pinocchio,

Dumbo, Bambi. We haven't covered all these, but

these are the early Disney films. And Alice in

Wonderland and Peter Pan. And now we're finally

getting to an era of Disney where I actually

started to enjoy it. I know Cinderella had already

come out and that was enjoyable, but you have

Lady and the Tramp, you get Sleeping Beauty.

I'm not a huge 101 Dalmatians fan, but then you

get Jungle Book and Aristocats and Robin Hood.

We're finally getting to that era where it's...

the stuff I really like. I didn't like most of

that early stuff. So I'm happy that we're finally

here. Yeah, you know, Disney's always been about,

and it's funny, and I have to bring this up because

Kevin's here and he wasn't on the MWIRE episodes.

Disney, for a while there, had, for me, especially

looking back on it, especially with episode 29

of Tooncast, go over to geekcastradio .com, look

up Snow White and you'll find... You'll find

episode 29 of Tooncast, you know, those early

films. They weren't too family -friendly and

Disney has always been like, oh, we're a family

-friendly company. Oh, we won't ever hire convicts.

Oh, wait, we have this idea for Tim Allen to

be Santa Claus. He must be Santa Claus. We don't

care if he's a convict. So it's like this, this,

this big... thing where they flip -flop on tons

of issues at Disney. Well, and it's the other

thing of where just because those other things

were the early stuff that came out in the 30s

and 40s, those always get all the acclaim. Everybody

always puts Snow White or Pinocchio Dumbo or

Bambi as like the greatest Disney films of all

time and that's just a bunch of horse shit, I'm

sorry. Oh, I so agree with you on that. The stuff

that gets lost is the actual good stuff that

came later, I mean... But Robin Hood has to be

one of the most underrated Disney films. Jungle

Book is better than any of those at the beginning.

Even like The Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp

and Sleeping Beauty. Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella

knock Snow White out of the park. Yeah, they

do. I hate the whole they came first so they're

the best because that's just a bunch of... That's

just a bunch of bullshit. It took until Little

Mermaid and Aladdin Beauty and the Beast and

Lion King to finally kind of start to dispel

that, but I feel bad for some of these that came

out in the 50s, 60s, and 70s that were way better

than the early stuff. Alright, I'm off my soapbox.

Yeah, exactly What about you Tara? What what

are your general memories of Lady the Lady and

the Tramp the first film here? I first saw Lady

and the Tramp when it got re -released on special,

you know VHS tape in 1999 so I was probably about

eight years old when I first watched it and I

kind of liked it It was it was a little bit older

like the style was a little bit older than what

I got used to growing up with Aladdin and Beauty

and the Beast and any of the ones that came out

between when I was born, 91 and 99. I really

enjoyed watching it and I didn't mind the old

animation style. I had a really good story. Again,

I have to agree with Mike. I had no complaints

about this film. It was interesting. It had a

good storyline. It had memorable characters.

And I'm a dog lover also, so I was really attached

to this film and I really love it. Yeah. Yeah,

and I hate Aunt Sarah. Everybody hates Aunt Sarah.

That transitions us pretty well into speaking

about some of the characters then I guess. Yes.

You know, obviously you have the main characters,

which would be Lady and the Tramp. Amazing as

that is. Obviously, it's the title of the film.

Interesting to note that that that tramp in early

script versions was called Homer and Rags and

then it was switched to bozo Just thought I'd

throw that out there but uh, yeah you have lady

in the tramp I got us we got to talk about these

two in particular for a little bit absolutely

love love love love the design and Character

design and the look of lady Yeah, I think that

was absolutely perfectly done Yeah, they hit

the America. She's supposed to be a she's with

the American cocker spaniel, right? Yeah, they

hit the design on that spot on Yeah, and and

the design for tramp is fine, too But I mean

all the designs are fine, but the design for

lady is just like epically good And she perfectly

embodies that character. I Gotta say even though

I'm not trying to say anything bad about Barbara

Luddy who is her voice actress But to me the

voice didn't necessarily perfectly fit that perfect

character design that we got I mean, it's not

a bad voice, but I was looking for something

almost a little more Not necessarily cute sounding

voice, but the design of the character is so

gorgeous as far as a dog I mean if a dog could

be hot it would be lady Wow. I'm getting into

really scary territory, Kev. I'm just gonna go

ahead and point out my one reference for this

film that I found. There is a Scooby -Doo reference

in this movie. It is her collar. Oh my god, I

noticed that too. If you look at her blue collar

and you look at the gold medallion that her license

is, it is that diamond shape with nothing in

the center written. The first thing I said to

myself when I watched this back, I'm like, where's

the SD? That's not a bad reference. No, not at

all. I really like Lady and the Tramp, both of

them. The only thing, my only complaint if I

had to nitpick would be on Lady's voice a little

bit. And then maybe we'll get just real quick

the human characters to get them out of the way

so that Tara can have some fun with one of them.

But you have the owners of Lady and eventually

Tramp, Jim Deere and Darlene, which good lord,

could they come up with a better name, please?

See, before Tara goes on her rant about the quote

-unquote villain of the film, which is kind of

silly, but... Yeah, when I was watching this

back. It was so weird. I'm like okay, so is it

Jim and darling dear? I don't get that I Know

you know what I can explain that actually Okay,

I think lady heard heard them referring to them

like themselves as dear and darling That's kind

of where they got their names from so she'd be

she'd be like Darling and he'd be like, oh yes,

dear and she'd be like, oh and she heard his

first name So it became Jim dear and darling

Yeah, that's why I get I get it if they're talking

to it if they came up with it from the dogs Viewpoint,

but I still think I still would have liked to

know like I don't know maybe their names or something

What their actual names are on the credits? It

didn't list them as Jim dear and darling I wish

it would have just said like owner and you know,

like husband and wife I understood that that

was just a lady calling them that and that's

not like their actual like name type thing. Tara,

why don't you talk about the other major human

character? Oh, we have Aunt Sarah. Aunt Sarah

is the sister of Darling's mother and she's like

the busybody. She loves cats. And she's incredibly

antagonistic towards dogs. You can tell she just

hates dogs. And as Mike mentioned, she is the

villain of the film. She's an old cat lady. Yeah,

she's a cat lady. She's one step away from being

the crazy old cat lady on The Simpsons. Oh, I

think she already is the crazy cat lady, though.

They ask her to come watch the baby because they're

going out. Jim Deer and earlier going out. So

lady, you know, lady is the protective mother,

you know, mother, sort of mother figure while

the parents are out to the baby. And Aunt Sarah,

like she completely doesn't thinks like lady's

trying to be intrusive with the baby and hurt

the baby when the baby actually loves the dog.

And she just kicks her out of the room. And then

it gets worse than that. She lets her two evil

cats loose. Cats go on a rampage scratch everything

House is a mess Then when Aunt Sarah hears the

commotion comes downstairs She thinks the dog

did it because of course the cats are you know

they're acting She really has no idea how evil

her cats are Because they play the ain't they're

the devil in disguise And she doesn't and the

funny thing is she doesn't even see like the

claw marks or whatever in the living room Yeah,

she's kind of oblivious. She's oblivious to that.

All she cares about is her damn cats. To me,

this is almost like the opposite of Lady, where

I can't stand this character, but the voice was

really good. I hate her so much. I just hate

her attitude. I hate how I just, for lack of

a better word, I think she's the most stupidest

person I've ever seen in my life in a film. Yeah,

but I do think they did a good job making her

so unlikable, and I do like the voice, Verna

Felton's a legend, but yeah, she's very not likable.

I know. The voice for her was awesome. I just

hate her because of what she does to Lady, you

know, muzzling her. Yeah. That was so painful

for me to watch her forcibly muzzle the dog.

Right. No, that's definitely one of the low parts

of the film. Oh, that was just awful. That's

why I don't like her so much. She definitely

does add to the story. Don't get me wrong, she

adds to the story. But I just don't like her.

And I think the screenwriter for this film did

an excellent job of making the audience despise

her. Yeah. Incredibly. So much so that when you

see her... Like yelling at lady about destroying

the house. You want to go in and slap her? Yeah,

you definitely do cuz I do every time I watch

it. I want to slap her I'm like yelling at the

TV The only other two humans really worth mentioning

probably are Tony and Joe which are the pizza

or Italian restaurant owners They kind of added

a nice little touch, but I just wanted to mention

them real quick Mike, do you want to talk about

the other actual animals? No, not really. Well,

we should talk about Jock and Trusty because

they're obviously ladies' friends. Bill Thompson,

which again we need to figure out if Kevin's

related to him, as Jock did an amazing, amazing

job. Yeah, that was great. Bill Thompson's a

legend too. Yeah. One of the animals I do want

to bring up, actually I want to bring up two

of them. The Beaver and Al the Alligator. The

only reason why I bring up Al the Alligator is

because it's another running gag for Disney to

have throw Ravenscroft in several of its films.

And everybody knows his voice. If you hear that

deep, deep voice, you may not know the guy's

name, but you know you've heard it a million

times before. Ravenscroft. And if you're listening

to any Disney movie that basically happened before

the 80s, if you hear a deep voice, it is either

Ravenscroft or it's Candy Candido. Those are

the only two guys that supply their deep voices,

so every time it's one of those two guys. Right,

yeah. And the only thing I can... There's no

way I can get the whistle down. I was going to

say I was going to try to get the whistle down

for The Beaver, but Stan Freberg was The Beaver.

Yeah, I didn't know that at first. I would really

love to find out how they got that, if it was

Stan that did it as he was voicing the character

or if it was an effect that they added afterwards.

I think he probably had to do it. It was probably

like live. I think he had to do it. Then the

other dogs, obviously the junkyard, or not the

junkyard dogs, the pound dogs in this one, Peg,

Pedro, Tuffy, Bull, and Doxy. Two Bill Thompson

characters, two Dallas McKinnon and Peggy Lee,

but they were kind of interesting. I liked Pedro.

Thought he was he was like that he did that voice

before it was like the famous character voice

that we hear all the time nowadays and When people

are trying to you know, like teaching chong type

stuff, but uh, he did an excellent job with Pedro's

voice. I thought Yeah, as well as like you said

Jack and trustee's voice were incredible Yeah,

I didn't really I like the character of trustee,

but his voice both in this and the second one

I don't know. I just It fits the character, but

it didn't really... If somebody asked me who

was my favorite voice, it wouldn't be Trusty.

It's almost like it could have been... Trusty

could have been... They could have put... I think

its name is Pat Butcherman or whatever. The guy

that did the Sheriff of Nottingham and Robin

Hood. He did one other great character, I can't

remember now. But he almost would have fit that

character even better. Just because he's kind

of that... slow talking, you know, he's got wrinkles

in the big mouth that the trusty character does.

But yeah, most of the Pound Dogs, though, I didn't

really get a feeling for one way or another,

except for I thought Pedro was funny. Oh, and

Boris, I forgot to mention Boris, who is voiced

by Alan Reed from Flintstones fame. Yeah. So,

but what do you what do you guys think about

as far as all the animal characters? Like, did

you have a favorite animal character or a least

favorite or just all the characters in general?

I liked I like Lady more as a puppy. I like her

as an adult dog. I like her whole interaction

with Jock and Trusty and then obviously her adventures

with Tramp, but I don't know. I prefer Lady as

a puppy as far as overall, and I also like Tramp.

Well, duh. Aunt Sarah. That's not even cheating.

That's a no -brainer. Aunt Sarah. If you had

to pick someone besides Aunt Sarah, who would

it be? The goddamn cat. Yes. Okay, so Tara's

in agreement. What about your favorite character,

Tara? Lady and definitely Tramp. But Tramp more

than Lady. I agree with Mike on the Lady as a

puppy. If she would have stayed that way through

the whole film, that would probably be my favorite

character. Um, but I probably got to go somewhere

between tramp and I got to give the nod to Pedro

too, just cause he cracks me up. Um, my least

favorite character in this one. I don't know.

It's gotta be at Sarah. I mean, I know that's

cheating, but I will mention that I do not dislike

the cats like you guys do. I know. It's not just

because I'm a cat person over a dog person. I

always have been, but as bad as these cats were,

and as much as I want to hate them now, I loved

them when I was a kid because I loved their song.

Oh, their song is awesome. Don't get me wrong.

I love their song. That's what made me love them

as Anne. To me, they prove that cats are smarter

than dogs. No comment. If the dog's in trouble,

they act completely, they were proving their

superior intelligence. And I know everybody always

says dogs are smarter. Cause honestly, like if

a cat, like look at Aunt Sarah, obviously cause

she's, you know, preferential to cats, of course

she's going to blame the dog. Even if the cats

were there, like she saw them scratching up the

furniture, she'd still be like, oh, it's the

dog. not uh... i guess i'll blame it on the songs

for making me not hate the cats i don't like

them but i don't hate them every time and this

is on the phone before we recorded this this

was the first time i'd seen lady and the tramp

in years uh... i don't have a i don't have the

dvd or anything like that so uh... so this is

the first time i've seen years and even back

as a kid The cats creeped me out, and they even

creep me out now. Even singing that damn song,

it still creeps me out. Don't listen to that

song. Those cats specifically are evil. They

are evil, I'll give you that. They're very evil.

Oh, man. Okay, so... Has everybody given their

favorite and least favorite characters? Let's

get into some of the behind -the -scenes stuff

here. Again, with a lot of these Disney things,

I don't recognize any of the writers or directors.

I recognize Hamilton Lusky just because his son

was in the prior film that we covered as one

of the directors, and Joe Rinaldi. as one of

the writers, because he's been in a lot of them.

But yeah, most of these guys, obviously, they

were before our time, so they're not going to

be familiar to us. But I think there are some

interesting things as far as behind the scenes,

as far as the changes in the script from the

original planned version and then what eventually

ends up happening. Originally, Lady was to only

have one next door neighbor, a Ralph Bellamy

type canine named Hubert. And then Hubert was

later replaced by Jock and Trusty. A scene created

but then deleted was one in which while Lady

fears of the arrival of the baby, she has a parade

of the shoes nightmare, similar to Dumbo's pink

elephants on Parade Nightmare, where a baby booty

splits in two, then four, and continues to multiply.

And then the dream shoes fade into real shoes,

and then the wearer says that the baby was born.

So I'm glad that didn't make the final cut there.

Another cutscene was after trustee says everybody

knows a dog's best friend is his human. This

leads to Tramp describing a world where the roles

of both dogs and humans are switched and the

dogs are the masters and vice versa. Wow. And

of course, of course I talked about Tramp's various

different names. It was thought in the 1950s

that the term Tramp would not be acceptable.

That's why they went with at first Homer, Regs

and Bozo. But since Walt Disney approved of the

choice of Tramp, it was considered safe under

his acceptance. So it's kind of interesting and

then of course we have to talk a little bit about

the spaghetti scene Yeah, the spaghetti scene

famous spaghetti scene the one that's spoofed

in almost every single spoof film ever now I

think the first time I ever saw this scene spoofed

was in hot shots Yeah, I didn't think about that

but yeah It's obviously spoofed in the sequels

Well, yeah, but I mean I mean in other Other

other media not just specifically animation.

Yeah The spaghetti scene for me is probably where

I kind of lose interest in the film it's just

that scene and just it just like As much as it

is, you know this romantic scene etc, etc And

that's when they fall in love which you kind

of needed at some point. It is the slowest It

drags like it's fine at the beginning, but it

does drag on a little bit Yeah, and the music

keeps playing so long after that. I mean they

do though. They eat the spaghetti They're falling

in love and then you still have to watch for

like it seems like forever and yeah onto the

next scene and I know they were trying to finish

the musical part or whatever But I could give

two shits about the musical part as a kid. I

unless you're singing. I don't care Such a cute

film such a cute scene though. Yeah, it is it

is but it is one thing I know this is kind of

jumping ahead a little bit, but I prefer even

though this is the cute scene I prefer almost

how they do it in the second one because This

is the one part of the first one where the dogs

are not acting like dogs would And I know it's

all a movie and it's all film and it's dogs are

talking and stuff like that But one thing I really

love about this film is the how much they capture

the real behavior of dogs. Take that opening

scene where lady is going to get the paper, or

no, she's going to chase something and then she

hears something else so then she gets the paper

and then she's doing this and her actions are

exactly like you would have with a real puppy.

The whole first scene is my favorite scene of

the whole movie when she's being that young puppy

and doing exactly like a puppy would. And to

have them eating this... sucking on a strand

of spaghetti compared to the second movie where

they just kind of mow into it with their faces

like a real dog would. That's the only problem

I have with this scene, but I'll agree with Terry.

It is a very cute, and it was obviously one of

the most famous Disney scenes of all time. Yeah.

The funny thing about this movie specifically,

as far as being a Disney dog movie, I found the

dogs, especially in this one and in its sequel,

I found them to act more human -esque than dog

-like. I only saw that in the second one, not

in the first one. I saw it in the first one kind

of like in the spaghetti scene and kind of like

when Lady wants to see the baby and then Jim

Deer actually lifts her up more so she can see

the baby. The other thing I found really weird

and I'm kind of jumping backwards here The scene

that you were talking about earlier Kevin with

her and you know You were talking about the differences

about her envisioning the baby coming that whole

scene actually freaked me out as well just because

of the way that her The way that her facial expressions

were to the camera. Yeah, I was like, whoa, that's

freaky. Yeah But I will say that is one thing

that the first film does a lot better than the

second one. You are right that there are sometimes

where the dogs act a little more human -esque,

but nothing compared to the second one where

they're actually freaking burping and stuff.

That really turned me off to the second one when

the dogs were not acting like dogs. Yeah. Sorry,

I'm getting ahead of myself. No, that's fine.

Are we ready for some actual plot synopsis? Yeah,

five -minute plot synopsis, go. Okay, basically

you have the two humans. The husband gives the

wife a new puppy for a present. I can't remember

who it was, a birthday or Christmas or whatever,

but anyway, gives her the puppy for Christmas.

And the puppy's growing up enjoying everything,

except for then the two adults are going to have

a new baby human. Not a baby dog, but a baby

human, which kind of freaks Lady out a little

bit. If the humans had a baby dog, that would

really be pushing it for Disney films. In the

meantime, Lady has been introduced to this character

of the Tramp. Going back to the humans after

the baby is born the two parents are going to

be leaving So aunt Sarah comes in to look after

the baby Treats lady like crap. We have the introduction

of the Siamese cats lady gets put on a muzzle

eventually she runs away and Tramp takes her

to the zoo to get the muzzle off. Thanks to the

beaver and eventually They fall in love there

after they get the muzzle off. They have the

spaghetti scene etc. And then eventually They

end up back at, well Lady gets taken to the Pound,

I forgot that. Lady gets taken to the Pound,

which is where she learns about Tramp's old past

behaviors. Lady gets mad at the Tramp, won't

speak to him, but then eventually she sees a

rat trying to sneak in the yard and since she's

on the chain she needs Tramp to help out. So

they both go in and basically kill the rat even

though they don't actually show the rat dead.

And Aunt Sarah freaks out, but the Jim and Darlene

return kind of in time to realize that the dogs

were in the right. They rescue Tramp from the

pound with the help of Trusty and Jack slowing

down the truck that was taking them to the pound.

Well, Trusty didn't slow it down. It almost ran

him over. Well, he did slow it down in that aspect.

the point where we're a year later and it's another

Christmas and we have Lady and the Tramp and

now they're kids who actually do talk in this

film and whatnot and then we have the picture

taken of the whole group together and that's

basically how the the film ends which is they

did do a good job of leaving it open for a sequel

I will say that. Yeah, what I want to know is

what the hell did does Jim do cuz I'm not calling

him Jim dear I don't care. I'm not calling is

calling Jim. What the hell does Jim do seriously?

What do they do? But but seriously what the hell

does Jim do for for work or employment where

they can just up and up and take this trip like

immediately after the baby's been born and he's

like the guy from 101 Dalmatians a famous singer

songwriter no i don't know really i don't have

a darn clue i mean honestly it never is actually

said how it i mean we see him coming home from

somewhere every day because in the beginning

we saw the scene of her running out and chase

you know where you were they race home and she

always beats in but i mean it's never had this

one of things that it's not really it's not really

something that would take away from the film

for me but it's just one of the things that i

don't think about it actually bugs me about this

movie because we don't actually know what the

hell they do that you know support was supposed

to place uh... really nineteen hundreds is uh...

at least a hundred really yeah It's supposed

to be, because I believe in the second film it's

stated that it's the 1911 4th of July. So this

one has to take place at least two years before

that, so it's like early 1900s. What the hell

in the 1900s could you do to afford, and I know

things were a lot cheaper back then, but they

were also more expensive as well. as far as the

standards of back then, what the hell could you

be employed as to have that amount of money to

just take a trip whenever you fucking damn well

please? That makes no sense to me. Yeah, that's

a good point. I agree with you. I think they

probably figured most people wouldn't care enough,

so they just lost them. Oh, right. For the most

part, Disney films, I can overlook a lot of this

stuff, but since, for the sake of the fact that

we're reviewing them, kind of also, not just

looking back on them, it's one of those things

that, to me, it's never explained. It wouldn't

fit in the pace of the film for it to be explained,

but it's just so weird. They're so weird. Favorite

parts or least favorite parts of the film? Tara?

For me, it definitely has to be when... I'll

start with my least favorite part first. Least

favorite part is when Aunt Sarah takes Lady to

put that goddamn muzzle on her. 100 % agree.

Just awful scene. I actually did cry when I first

saw that. Also my least favorite part by far.

Not gonna lie. And favorite part... Hope I'm

not cheating here, but it's the spaghetti scene.

No, that's all right. I agree with you on the

least favorite. My favorite part is, well, I

also have another least favorite part is when

they go to the pound because it's so sad with

all the dogs in the pound. And that always kind

of got to me a little bit. But my favorite part,

like I said, is that opening part with Lady being

the puppy. And she's just so cute at that point.

Yeah, I would have to agree with you on on the

opening part as far as one of my favorites my

other favorite scene is Actually the ending because

when I watched this back I completely forgot

that the ending was there I thought that, I knew

in the back of my mind that the ending was there

and we saw that trusty, obviously he didn't die,

he just got a broken leg or a sprained leg or

whatever it was, but I completely forgot about

them having kids or having puppies and all that

stuff. So I like the end scene. I also like,

I like Tramp's viewpoint of where he's coming

from. different family, different day. Even though

the dog catcher doesn't like him, because obviously

he's a stray, everyone in the town loves him.

Every restaurant he goes to, it's not like, and

Kevin's going to kill me for this, it's not like

Garfield where he tortures Luigi for lasagna.

You know seriously it's not like that It's like,

you know tramp has a relationship with all these

restaurant owners because they know he's a stray

and I don't know I just found that really really

interesting. Oh, it's cool. It's definitely cool

That's what it kind of adds to his appeal You

know As far as least favorite scene everything

with Aunt Sarah and those goddamn cats Yeah,

oh, yeah, I'm sorry I'm looking ahead a second

Yeah, pay attention. Talk about me not paying

attention. You need to pay attention. I got excited

because I can answer your one question now. Oh,

which one question? As far as the whistling effect.

Stan Freger, who had a background in comedy voices,

the demands of voicing the beaver proved too

much and he eventually resorted to using a real

whistle to capture the whistling effect. So it

wasn't an effect as far as the studio, but it

was an effect he was using as he was doing it.

We should also note, and I specifically remember

this, when I saw the beaver, I'm like, hey, wait,

where am I seeing that character elsewhere? The

beaver was effectively recycled as the gopher

in Winnie the Pooh and the honey tree. Yes. Yes,

very much. That is so funny. Some other interesting

trivia. At the time of its release in 1955, this

is the highest grossing Disney cartoon since

the original film, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.

Even though it doesn't get the acclaim as far

as the rankings and the listings go, at least

money -wise it proved that it was better than

most of the stuff that had come before it. the

mom or the wife and the Siamese cats and she

voiced somebody else too. Who else did she voice?

She voiced Peg and the Pound. She was kind of

the first example of Disney hiring a superstar

for one of their animated films. Obviously we

wouldn't recognize that since we weren't around

in the 50s to know that she was famous, but apparently

she was one of the first big screen actors that

lent a voice to a Disney film. So I thought that

was kind of interesting. Let's see. We should

probably bring up the other, the climax of the

film here. Yeah. In the climax of the picture,

Trusty was originally killed when hit by the

wagon. That's why Jock nudges him and then he

does not rouse. When Walt Disney viewed this

scene, he was shocked. Walt did not want the

repeat of the traumatic scene in Bambi. And he

thought it was too intense, Walt then made the

onimers put trusting into the ending Christmas

scene. So that's always good. Yeah, so they changed

a few things just based on some reactions from

the first couple people that saw it. Like that's

the same reason why they scrapped the idea of

the dogs taking their owners for walks in that

dream sequence, because some audiences didn't

react too well to it apparently. But it's some

interesting trivia. Also kind of interesting

Barbara Luddy who like I said that maybe this

is why I thought her voice didn't really fit

lady She was 50 years old when she was voicing

the young lady So maybe that's why it didn't

quite match up for me because you had an older

person voicing a character that's supposed to

be like young Yeah, and I and I guess I could

tell I didn't know that's exactly what why it

didn't match up But you can kind of notice now

that you know Yeah, you want to take that last

piece of trivia Tara? In the climax of the picture,

the mischievous young puppy at the end of the

film, one who resembles his father Tramp, is

called Scamp. He was featured in a children's

book, a syndicated daily comic strip, and comic

books before starring in Lady and the Tramp 2,

Scam's Adventure. I did, though. Like Mike said,

I was surprised. I didn't realize that they showed

all the kids and that they talked in the first

one. I didn't. I forgot completely about that

until I rewatched it, that all the puppies showed

up in the first one and actually had a speaking

part, even though it was kind of all in unison.

But I thought that was kind of cool. That makes

the sequel a little bit more legitimate, I guess.

I have major continuity issues with the sequel.

Well, I know. I'm just saying, at least... I

know the sequel happened like 25, 35, 45 years

after the original, but I have one major specific

continuity problem with the sequel. So do I.

Oh, I don't like the sequel. I want to like the

sequel. I want to like it. But there's a few

things preventing me from it. We'll get to that

in a bit. So overall thoughts or overall opinions

of the plot, Tara? Really interesting plot. Very

enjoyable to watch. It was interesting and it

had a great storyline. I thought it was very

well paced except for the end part of the spaghetti

scene when it got a little slow. So I like the

pace of it. I love the character designs. They

did a good job making the, I guess, quote unquote,

evil characters be evil and the good characters

being good. Most of the voice work I thought

was good, minus Lady. I don't know, I thought

it was pretty well done. Like I said, this is

one of the first movies in the Disney classic

series that I actually have a little bit more

liking to, minus maybe the Cinderella one. One

of the things I have to bring up before we move

on is something I didn't think about earlier

when we were talking about characters and you

were talking about the plot, Kevin. Why the hell

would a rat want to get into a house to attack

a... That's the one point I pointed out. That

didn't make sense anymore. Besides the, besides

the cats being the villains, the rat is the villain.

And I don't get that. Yeah, that was kind of

like we needed something. Oh, I hate rats. Ugh.

I mean, I do too. Well, outside of Pinky and

the Brain. I mean, I do too. I've never seen

a rat go after a baby. I know. That's what I'm

saying. I've never seen that. It must have been

a pretty vicious rat. Okay, I'm just going to

go into this house and there just happens to

be a baby upstairs. No rat would have bypassed

the kitchen to go upstairs to the baby's room.

No. No. Not at all. That was the one thing. If

I had to pick one thing that... Really put me

off about a lot of this film and I love this

movie. I do overall I do but if there was one

specific thing that I Just didn't understand

or just didn't think that was even necessary

was the whole thing of the rat going after the

kid That was a very good point Mike. I know it

doesn't happen very often, but shut up. Hey,

just kidding asshole Just for that I'm finding

every Power Rangers reference I can in every

other cartoon episode you're on Sweet anyways

Power Rangers rule getting the music segment

here You want to take some of the music segment

or the entirety of the music segment Tara? Oh,

we're going to music now sweet music Which songs

did you like that space? Oh my god Belenota Yeah,

that's the one that's playing during those spaghetti

scene, right? Oh, it's just it's so beautiful

It's just really it's really heartwarming and

I really loved I thought it was beautifully it

was beautifully done and I enjoyed listening

to it It's a song, you know, it's a song that

you can sit through and it's so relaxing and

it you're right Sleep during that scene. Yeah,

it does change the pace of the story a little

like a lot Like it does but it just it fits the

scene though You should admit it fits the scene

that they were trying to portray Yeah. Which

is a love scene, so. That's just us guys. No,

I'm just kidding. Perfect song. What were the

other songs that this film had? He's a Tramp,

La La Lu, the Siamese Cat song, What is a Baby.

Like you said, you have the one thing that you're

going to pick out the rat as far as the one like

check against this film. To me, the music is

a second check. Like, it's not bad, but it's

like I've said for so many of the other older

Disney movies, it just doesn't live up to what

I want in a Disney film. Like, the music's fine,

but there is no song, I mean, even the Siamese

Cat song, which is my favorite song out of the

group, there is no song that just, like, you

memorize the words to, and it's just always in

your head, and you could just repeat it right

now. Like, I could not sing any of these songs

except for parts of the Siamese Cat song right

now. And that's something that most Disney films

do a better job with, or at least more modern

Disney films do a better job with. Like, you

know, Jungle Book and stuff like that, you can

sing half those songs without even thinking about

it. Right. This movie just didn't have the music

that I was hoping it would. Yeah, no it doesn't.

Not really. Even as beautiful as some of the

musical parts are, I want some... Some of the

singing ones that I can, you know, not jam out

to, but... Yeah, well this film, you know what?

This film was not, it was not known for its musical

score. Really, I don't think it was. I don't

think that's what made this film what it is.

I think it was the story that made it what it

was. That, and I think what also made this film,

besides the story, was it was... Basically, the

first time, like we said, I think we said this

earlier, it was basically the first time we had

a dog film in the Disney, I mean this is before

101 Dalmatians, it's before Fox and the Hound

and certain things like that, we finally get

a Disney film with animals that everyone can

relate to. So I think that kind of helped too.

We should also mention as far as the music stuff.

In 1991, Peggy Lee sued the Walt Disney Company

for a breach of contract, claiming that she still

retained the rights to the transcripts, including

those to videotape. She was awarded 2 .3 million,

but not without a lengthy legal battle with the

studio, which was finally settled in 1990. How

the hell could she sue them in 91 and win in

91 if it was a lengthy battle, unless it was

like a six -month battle only? I'm not sure.

Makes no sense. Maybe that fact is not right.

That's what they get for hiring somebody that

was a famous actor. There you go. Stick to voice

actors. Don't screw with them. Yeah, stick to

voice actors. All right, so getting into the

legacy segment, Kevin, you want to talk about

the release of the film? Yeah, I mean, kind of

like we said before, obviously it was the highest

moneymaker since Snow White for Disney. The film

was reissued to theaters in 62, 71, 1980, 1986.

It's been on VHS and then eventually obviously

on DVD in 1999. But the Platinum Edition was

in 2006. That's the one that you would want to

get. One million copies of the Platinum Edition

were sold on the day that it was released in

2006. It went back into the vault in 2007 though,

along with the sequel at the same time. So yeah,

the other thing I would say is well, I'll let

you get in the reception a little bit Despite

being an enormous success of the box. I was the

film was initially penned by many critics one

indicated the dogs and the dimensions of the

hippos The artists work is below par. However,

the film has since come to be regarded as a classic

Well, of course, it's a classic better than the

earlier The next piece of information is interesting.

I do give credit to AFI because they do much

better than IGN with their lists. And Lady and

the Tramp was named number 95 out of the 100

greatest love stories of all time by the American

Film Institute. I thought that was pretty cool.

It was one of only two animated films to appear

on the list and I think everybody can guess that

Beauty and the Beast was the other one. Great

film, though. You want to talk about the awards,

Tara? Yes. In 1956, it was nominated for a BAFTA

Award for Best Animated Film. Also in 1956, it

won at the David D. Donatello Awards for Best

Foreign Producer, Walt Disney. In 2006, it was

nominated for a Satellite Award, and the award

was the best youth DVD. Unfortunately, did not

win that category. Yeah. Overall, this is probably

one of my favorite animated dog films. One of

my favorite. I didn't think about it in that

realm and comparing it to some of the other ones.

Yeah. I mean, because when I'm thinking of animated

dog films, the ones that come to mind are this.

How Dogs Go to Heaven. Unfortunately. 101 Delamations

and Oliver and Company. Yeah. Because even while

Oliver and Company is specifically about a cat,

there's a lot of dogs in that movie. So I think

we're going to go to the Lady and the Tramp 2

trailer and we will be back after this. Walt

Disney created one of the most beloved motion

pictures of all time. And now, the adventure

continues in Disney's Lady and the Tramp 2, Scamp's

Adventure. Scamp's a pup who's not afraid to

chase his dreams. I wanna be wild and free! You

won't last five minutes out here. But he'll need

some help from his new friend, Angel. played

by Alyssa Milano. It's the girl from the wrong

side of the tracks and the guy from the right

side of the tracks. Scott Wolf plays Scamp. Scamp

definitely has a fire burning inside of him.

Together, they take off on an unforgettable adventure.

Oh, no! Don't tell him what Mr. Flappup's getting

into. But now, Scamp must choose between a life

on the streets and a home with his family. I'd

give anything to have what you have. It's a story

that only Disney could bring to life. It's a

brand new movie that will capture your heart

and spirit forever. Walt Disney Pictures proudly

presents Lady and the Tramp 2, Scamp's Adventure.

Now available on video and Disney DVD. And now

we move on to the sequel to Lady and the Tramp.

Kevin, take it away with the history lesson.

Oh, I suppose. Lady and the Tramp 2, Scamp's

Adventure, is a 2001 direct -to -video animated

film which was released on February 27th by the

Walt Disney Company, obviously, as a sequel to

the 1955 film that we just talked about, Lady

and the Tramp. It centers around Lady and the

Tramp's puppy, Scamp, and his desire to become

a free, wild dog. That sounds weird. The film

was produced at Walt Disney Animation Australia,

which is now closed. They re -released the film

on DVD after the DVD release or the first film

in 2006, and of course it is back in the vault.

I don't have any memories about Lady and the

Tramp 2 because I did not see it until a couple

weeks ago, so don't ask me, but do you guys have

any memories about it? No. Oh my god. I just

remember watching the first 10 minutes and I'm

like, I can't watch this anymore, and I moved

on to something else. I'll be completely honest.

I'll be completely honest when I watch this back

I skip through a lot of the songs in the film

I actually like the music way better in this

one than the first one now Here's where I will

point out two references that I noticed um Scamp

is Scamp is a sober Scamp is a sober Bailey Because

Scott Wolf played the voice of Scamp from party

of five Did a great job, too uh... and we also

have a power rangers reference and i'll kevin

hates those but i'm not talking to you yes you

can't uh... barbara goodson did a voice in one

of the characters and the only reason why i recognize

her name was because i've seen multiple panels

of her as as reader repulsa in in conventions

so Yeah, but honestly we can move right into

characters because I have no memories of this

at all Well, we can bypass a lot of the characters

because we've already talked about obviously

you still have a older version of Lady and the

Tramp You still have Jack and trusty you still

have Jim dear and darling and the baby that was

born in the First film you also still have aunt

Sarah and the two Siamese cats. You also still

have Tony and Joe the pizza people So the only

new characters are the ones that were introduced

right at the end, all the puppies and the junkyard

dogs, which I'm guessing is your big continuity

problem with this whole film. If not, it should

be. Apparently, they could not use any of the

puppies or the dogs that were in the pound from

the first one, so they had to recreate an entire

lot of junkyard dogs who all know Tramp very

well, even though they never ran into each other

in the first film. Exactly. That's my huge, huge

problem. Buster apparently was big friends with

Tramp, and they were like buddies connected at

the hip, and Tramp abandoned him when he went

to the humans. Where was Buster in the first

one? Exactly. Fail. That's the biggest problem

I have with this movie is the junkyard dogs.

Yep. First of all, I mean Buster, he's voiced

by Jess Harnell, who's awesome, and you have

Mickey Rooney as one of them, but Mooch drove

me nuts, first of all. He was not even entertaining.

I know he was supposed to be the comedic character,

but Mooch sucked. As much as I like Angel, and

I even can like Francois a little bit in Sparky,

but it's like, why have Francois instead of Pedro?

Why have Ruby instead of whatever her name was

in the other one? Yeah, I do have to correct

you on one thing. What? Jess Harnell was the

singing voice of Buster. That's right, the singing

voice of Buster. Chaz Palminari or Palminteri

was the actual speaking voice. I forgot that.

Yeah, I just don't understand why they couldn't

use any of the pound dogs. That would have made

way more sense. So that's my big problem with

it. That's my big problem too. I just don't like

it. A lot of the problems I have with this film

also is obviously that they're not going to be

able to get a lot of the same voice actors, but

some of the ones that they got for Slake, my

biggest problem are Tony and Joe. Well, I love

both of those people Jim Cummings and Michael

Goff. They just they don't fit the characters

from the first film to the second film Yeah,

my great thought whereas like say say tramp.

I actually prefer Jeff Bennett's vered because

Jeff Bennett's version actually sounds slightly

It sounds almost like the original version because

then I have is a really good mimicker I'll piggyback

that I also like Jodie Benson as lady better.

Yeah Not a lot. I still think there could have

been a better lady. I'm still waiting for a good

lady voice because I don't think either one of

them was perfect for it, but I think Benson was

better than Luddy in the first one, since Luddy

was 50 years old, obviously, when she was doing

it. But I do like the voices of Scamp and Angel,

and it's not just because it's Scott Wolfe and

Alyssa Milano. I think they do do a good job

there. There's moments where Scott Wolfe's voice

isn't great, but for the most part, it really

does fit that character, in my opinion. Yeah,

it does. I noticed it because I looked at the

script beforehand when I was watching the film,

and I noticed the name. I didn't really notice

it in the actual film, but I noticed the voice.

I'm like, wait a second. Where have I heard Scott

Wolf before? The first thing I searched for was

frigging Party of Five. Good old Bailey. As far

as favorite and least favorite characters, my

favorite character in this one is Angel. I thought

she was very cool kind of doing the bringing

scant back to reality and kind of walking the

line of both the junkyard dog and the one that

wants to be in the home so I kind of really liked

her she is cute just like Lady wasn't the first

one maybe not as cute as Lady was in the first

one well they're two different dog breeds I mean

if you're if you're gonna take them in as far

as cuteness as dog breeds they're really they're

their own separate cuteness I know I'm just saying

yeah my least favorite character is easily are

the three tramp girl puppies. I don't know what

you want to call it, Annette and Danielle. They

are annoying. And they're not only annoying,

but at one point they hate Scamp and they want

him gone, and then the next point they're making

fun of him because he is gone, and then the next

point they're crying because he's gone. And I

just thought they were super annoying, even the

voices. I love Casusi, but... The voices were

annoying, the puppies were annoying. I don't

blame Scam for wanting to leave with those three

as his sisters. Yeah, I mean they were cute and

all, but they were just annoying. Oh, their personalities?

Yeah. The problem with the puppies' personalities

is that they specifically, and they set this

up at the end of the first film, they showed

three spaniel puppies and one tramp puppy. Right.

So the three spaniel puppies are the girls and

Tramp's puppy is the boy and that's a problem

because you're showing that these puppies are

coming from both Lady and Tramp. Wouldn't they

be a mixed breed? Yeah, really. That's what makes

no sense to me is why do you have three cockers

and then you have one little mutt? I guess I

didn't think of that back in 1955. I guess not.

Those three characters just annoy the heck out

of me. I don't mind most of the other characters.

Busters, like I said, Mooch and Buster don't

do much for me. And some of the other ones I

don't necessarily like because they could have

been the old ones. You know, Jack and Trusty

are still good. Lady and the Tramp are still

good. Scamp and Angel are good. But other than

that, most of the characters I don't really care

for. Do you have a least favorite character,

Mike, or are you agreeing with me on the puppies?

Probably the puppies. It's one of those things

where they remind me of other characters that

are like them. I don't remember what it was from,

but there was another movie. I don't know if

it was an animated movie or if it was something

else. We do, apparently though one of our Ustream

listeners is helping us out though and they said

that it is possible for puppies to only display

the qualities of one of their parents. Yes, that

is Octobotomus. Everyone should know Octobotomus.

Yes, Octobotomus gets his first mention on Tooncast

episode 85. Why don't you read what he said there

because I can't. Want me to read it? I can read

it. All right. Genetically, it's possible to

have puppies that have all the qualities of one

breed of a dog and have another not display those

qualities and come out looking different. And

we have someone else in the chat saying, yeah,

I have a dog with three breeds. Oh, well, that's

cool. So our dog knowledge is not very good,

but oh well. Well, yeah. You know, what I probably

would have preferred, and of course I know they

can't go back and do this now, obviously I would

have preferred if they'd kind of evened it out

a little more, kind of like two from Lady and

then two from Tramp, but then we probably wouldn't

ever have had this. this sequel if they had done

that. Yeah, they would have been a different

story. Yes, very, very different story. It's

not necessarily that there are three girls, it's

that they're all these like, it's the personality

of all three of them that bugs me. It's not necessarily

that they're just as cute as Lady is and everything.

Right. What I mean is not male or female puppies,

I meant two cocker spaniels and two mutts instead

of three cocker spaniels and a mutt. Yeah, I

guess that makes sense. That's what I meant.

What do we think of the recasting of Psy and

I Am for Mary Kay Bergman and Dress McNeil? They

really weren't really in this film that much,

so it doesn't look like they'd be one way or

another. No comment. I actually wish they would

have played a bigger role in this somehow, but

that's alright. Most people hate them, so. I

actually thought, I did not know this until I

am just reading this part in the script. When

I was watching the whole movie, I'm like, oh

my god, the dog catcher is Don Knott. And then

I read it's voiced by Jeff Bennett who mimicked

Don Knott's Barney Fife. I got to ask, I know

this is not going to make any sense to the listeners

out there, but off the bottom of this, I'm questioning

why you know so much about cats and dogs mating.

Are you secretly a veterinarian? You're scaring

me, dude. But anyways. Yeah, obviously there

was a lot of recasting, but some of these roles,

like, obviously Tony and Jay don't really speak

that much. Aunt Sarah doesn't speak that much.

Cy and Am are barely in this. So it's basically

just the junkyard dogs and then the Scamp and

Tramp, really. Yeah. Mm -hmm. Do we want to talk

about this in plot? I'm going to bring up the

whole characterization of Tramp and Scamp in

this, but do we want to wait until plot? Because

it actually pertains to the plot. Go for it as

a transition into the plot. Oh, so we're not

doing behind the scenes? No, there's no need

for doing any behind the scenes on this film.

Are there any behind the scenes? Oh, okay, yeah,

there's only one thing. So yeah, what do we think

of Tramp basically as a father? He's trying to

hide his past from his kid. because he doesn't

want his kids, he doesn't want what his life

was to be his kid's life. But at the same time,

he's, to me, he's also sheltering the kid and

not letting him really experience, like, the

whole point of being, and of course, I'm not

a parent, so, but I mean, you know, I've talked

to other people that are parents that are close

to my own age. Michael Wilson, I'm looking at

you, you seven year, you seven year, what the,

he's seven years older than I am, but anyway.

It's one of those things where I just, I don't

get why, why would they not acknowledge Tramp's

past at first? Cause they remade his entire past.

Well, that, that's true too. That's, that's very,

very true. But just to kind of give you a quick

idea of the plot though, obviously we won't go

into a lot of detail here, but. You know, we

have all the puppies. Scamp wants to be the wild

one. He messes stuff up in the house, so he gets

sent out to the dog house and chained up. And

he wants to be free. He eventually breaks loose

and joins this junkyard dog group. Junkyard dog,

that always makes me think of wrestling. Anyway.

Me too. First thing I thought of. He spends the

whole film trying to gain access into this clique.

even though at points Tramp confronts him and

wants him to come back and at points what Angel

tries to reason with him he's still kind of being

whatever stupid about it because he wants to

be this adventurous puppy and eventually it takes

him learning the past of his dad and that he

was a street dog and then kind of a trip to the

pound to wisen him up so that he finally realizes

that he needs to be back in the family and then

he brings Angel back and they both are adopted

by basically as a couple now for the darling

people. Jim Deer. Jim Deer. But anyways, my major

problems with the plot are number one, the dog

behavior in this one is not like it was in the

first one. For the most part you have dogs burping.

The whole way that they jump around the junk

heap or the junkyard, whatever you want to call

it. There's a lot of human -esque type actions

there. So to me that kind of sucks some of the

legitimacy out of this movie since they weren't

acting like actual dogs. And the other thing

I did like at one point that they brought back,

then they showed the picture that was taken at

the end of the first film of all the puppies.

I like that they inserted that in there. Yeah,

it's just I can't get over the junkyard dogs

being different from the dogs in the first one.

So that's my major plot issue Yeah, that's that's

my major plot issue as well Other than that and

other than just the songs being totally meh I

don't really have a problem. I think I probably

like the close to the last I don't know 25 minutes

of the film But what about you Tara did you what

will you say Kevin? I'm saying I like parts of

it There was parts I want to like I like scamp

and I like angel and I like the interaction right

and I like the premise of Scamp wanting to be

on his own and having to learn and kind of go

through those growing pains, but it was just

dealing with the junkyard dogs that weren't the

same and the other puppies were annoying. I do

have to say, though, I know you guys don't like

the music in this one, but I do think the music's

better in this one. I mean, it's well, the other

thing is with the music, you have to you have

to realize that it's not memorable between 50s

and 2001. I mean, music changed, obviously. Yeah,

I went through a huge change. But I mean, none

of the songs in either film are memorable ones

that are going to sing to each other. I just

thought these were a little more catchy. Yeah,

you know what I just I cannot really I cannot

really get into this film at all Yeah, I don't

know why I just couldn't I found it incredibly

boring I mean, I apologize to anybody who's listening

who is a fan You know of this but I really did

not enjoy this film. I found it incredibly boring

and I had no interest in that I actually, when

I was watching it, the whole runaway scene and

everything else, the first thing I thought of

was Homeward Bound 2. It's an animated version

of Homeward Bound 2. Oh, I have to agree with

that. That's what I thought when I watched this.

We have one interesting piece of trivia for you

that if you didn't notice it, the wagon atop

the pile in the junkyard is the one that crashed

and injured trusty at the end of the first one.

So I didn't notice it at first but I was looking

for it after I saw that piece of trivia and I

saw it I was like, oh, that's that's interesting.

Yeah but any other thoughts about Mike did you

have a favorite part of this one at all or It

has to be the end of it. I mean It really has

to be the end of the film I do like when angels

about to walk away and they kind of bring bring

her back and yeah she becomes part of the group,

but I like I like some of the interaction between

angel and and scamp. I do like the fact that

they mow down the spaghetti, kind of making fun

of this spaghetti scene, even though it is a

great scene, but they kind of show what dogs

would really do to that spaghetti dish. But there's

no big part of it that stands out for me. What

about you, Tara? This is hard, just because I

can, with parts in the film, just because I really

didn't get into it, so I can't really, you know,

recall on this one. I just didn't. She's not

a fan. She's backing up my claim that most sequels

of animated films suck. Not all of them. Not

all of them. Not even most. Most of them do.

Can I be honest? This has to be the worst sequel

I've ever seen. I've seen some worse ones, but...

Honestly, this was one of the worst for me. When

I heard this film was coming out, and I saw the

trailer, and I tried to watch it, I'm like, ugh.

No Not watching this Not happening. I can't watch

I can't even I couldn't even you know I even

tried to make myself sit there and watch it And

I just couldn't I don't hate it that much It's

like I said if it if it didn't have the musical

numbers in it or if it had less musical numbers

in it Like if it if it had that one song you

know This is the night song or whatever that

would have been fine if but if it didn't have

all the other songs and just told the story I

probably would have liked this a little bit better

I just couldn't get involved in this movie I

just couldn't I mean usually I do get involved

into Disney movies and they do catch me and they

do catch my interest but with this one I couldn't

I I was lost. I guess that's the word I'm going

for. I was completely lost. I'm not going to

argue with you because I like that you're backing

up my claim about animated sequels. But there

was, you know, kind of getting into the reception

a little bit. Apparently some people did like

it because it was nominated in 2002 for a Saturn

Award for best DVD release. nominated in 2001

for an Annie for Outstanding Achievement in Animated

Home Video Production, Outstanding Achievement

in Directing, Outstanding for Voice Acting for

Jody Benson, and for Voice Acting for Alyssa

Milano. So it did get some awards there, but

I understand why you don't like it, and I think

it's easy for me not to like it just because

of the junkyard dog issue. Don't know it's not

as bad. I wanted to like it more than I did The

other thing I need to bring up does anybody really

recognize Buster? No, the the the model of dog

that they used for Buster Not really that's a

slightly different model than the Dobermans in

Oliver and company I was like, wait, what the

hell are Roscoe and DeSoto doing here? It's either

one of them. I don't know which one it is, but

I so could swear that they reused Roscoe and

DeSoto animation for Buster's character. Interesting.

I don't know if that's true if they reused the

model, but that's what it reminded me of. Yeah.

That makes sense now that I think about it they

do they do look alike So any other thoughts anybody

has on the sequel I know terrors shared her thoughts

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Kevin, final thoughts on the Lady and the Tramp

franchise? You know, it's not necessarily my

favorite all -time Disney franchise by any means,

but like I kind of said at the beginning of the

episode, it - does mark for me this and Cinderella

kind of mark a new era of Disney where we finally

get to some stuff that I kind of like unlike

the first what I call the first original era

of Disney which was all the crap that I don't

like so you know it has significance for me for

starting some some new trends in Disney but you

know it's not necessarily my favorite one I like

the puppies I like the designs of them you know

There's nothing to dislike about them. It just

doesn't hold that special place in you know with

me like some of the later movies will Yeah, I

I think for me and then I'll let Tara go I think

for me. It's one of those things where Lady and

the Tramp specifically the first film I have

nostalgia for it because as I said it was it

was my very first Disney VHS tape and it was

It wasn't the very first Disney film I ever saw.

It was the very first one. That and Cinderella

were the very first ones I actually owned on

VHS at the time. The second film would be alright

if it was like a 45 minute cartoon and not an

hour and a half. It could have been a television

animated series. It could have been a series.

Yeah, it could have been. It would have been

better that way. Don't think you would have been

able to get Scott Wolf and Alyssa Milano for

a TV series like that though back then But the

first film was easily my favorite just because

and I like like I said the second half like the

end part of the of the Second part of the second

film. So what about you Tara? You know what?

disappointing did not enjoy this film No, we're

talking about the franchise overall. Oh, the

franchise. Franchise number one was amazing.

I really enjoyed it. Really amazing, beautiful

film. I love it. Great, great, great dog film.

Definitely add it to your collection. Sequel,

really wish they wouldn't have made it. I should

really not be sitting here talking about the

Lady and the Tramp franchise. It should just

be Lady and the Tramp, end of story. It should

be in most cases. Yes. So yeah, the sequel was

disappointing. I wish they wouldn't have made

it. As it probably should be with the next episode

as well. At least they shouldn't have made the

next one, period. It could stay in the vault.

At least. At least leading the tramp never receive

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