Disney’s Peter Pan

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welcome to the 84th episode of Tooncast, brought

to you by the Geekcast Radio Network. I am your

host, DJ Mike, and today I'm joined once again

by Kevin, I'm your solo Thompson. Hello, sir.

What up? And making it another appearance here

on Tooncast is the rising star herself, Tara.

Hello. Hey. How's it going? I'm good, thank you.

How are you? Pretty good, pretty good. Today

we are going to be going back into the Disney

Vault and talking about Peter Pan. Yes we are.

Yes, yes we are. Pan the man. Yes. And everyone

in the chat room is all codfish. Nice. What have

you been up to, Kevin? Oh, let's see, the latest

things I've been doing over at Behind the Voice

Actors, I've been adding some more... Classic

cartoons to the likes of, let's see, the last

five or six shows I've added have been Beverly

Hills Teens from the 80s, Maya the Bee, The Funky

Phantom, Groovy Goolies, Galaxy High School.

I had added the Spaceballs animated series a

little bit ago, so I've been trying to add a

few more classic shows over there. Other than

that, not a whole lot in the internet world.

What about you, Tara? Didn't you just come off

of like one of the worst conventions? Oh my god,

yes. I went to a convention in downtown Toronto

called DTAC and it was just awful. It was just,

there was like nothing going on. The staff were

so rude. People were great though, but the staff

were just like, you can't take pictures here,

you can't stand here. Like... What is DTAC? It's

called, it's the December Toronto AnimeCon. Ah,

okay. Yeah, so it was just, it was just a fail.

I didn't enjoy it at all. I seriously doubt I'll

be going back next year, but like, I usually

like AnimeCon, so, you know, this one was just

not doing it for me. How many people attended

something like that? Um, this one, there was

probably like 200, 300 people. Oh, okay. Which

is like, it's like not a normal size con, it's

more maybe like, it's like a small average convention.

So it was, it was a lot of people, like it was

packed. Interesting. Yeah. But the staff was

bags of douche. Yes, the staff were bags of douche.

And yeah, I hope they hire nicer people the next

time I go back there. Gotcha. Any, is there any,

do they get any like, uh... Like people involved

with anime there is it just me yeah, they do

yeah today we got to meet Mike McFarland and

I believe he's done a lot of voice acting and

producing and writing for shows I believe he

worked on Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Z Kai

That's not a hundred yeah, not a hundred percent

sure, but he was he was talking about a lot of

his experiences with that and doing some Q &A

and I was sitting in the back and I was taking

photos and I was recording some video because

I'll be providing a video on my YouTube channel

about the last two conventions I went to. I see.

Yeah, so stay tuned for that. Yeah, Mike McFarland,

we actually have over 118 credits for him over

at Behind the Voice Actors, so he's done quite

a few things. Yeah. Good guy. Yes, and I would

like to apologize to any of the listeners, whether

you are in the live broadcast for Ustream or

if you're listening to this after we've recorded

it, there's nothing I can do about the thumping

music in the background because it's my friggin'

downstairs neighbors that don't know how to use

fucking volume control. Oh god. Mic control is

it. Of course they have to play just horrible

music anyways, so. That's even better I Would

actually rather listen to Hannah Montana than

like rap bass crap that they're listening to

now. Oh, that's even worse Yeah, is it like we

it's like the weird rap. Yeah, it's like nothing

but bass so they can vibrate the building to

death or something. Hell, the building is like

60 -something years old. You vibrate it one too

many times and it's gonna collapse. They probably

say the same thing when you're jamming out to

Stan Bush. See, you know, honestly, that's the

thing, and I really don't want to get a tear

on this for this episode, but that's the thing.

I don't really play loud music at all. I really

don't. I just don't. I mean, I play music at

a volume where only I can hear it. Yeah, I hate

loud music, but one time I was in an apartment

and I had them downstairs neighbors complain

and I think it was just because they set their

bedroom up right below where I had my computer,

but it's like I'm not playing that loud like

I can barely hear it and I hate loud music. I'm

like, whatever. It's screwed up. So I guess we

should get into the history lesson. Take it away

professor. Alrighty then, Peter Pan, that's who

we're talking about. He is a, or it is, a 1953

American animated film produced by, wouldn't

you know it, Walt Disney. And based on the play

Peter Pan or The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up by

J .M. Barrie, it is number four. in the Walt

Disney animated classic series and was originally

released on February 5th, 1953. And like most

of the movies we've talked about in this version

of the spotlight, it was released by RKO Pictures.

Peter Pan is the final Disney animated feature

released through RKO before Walt Disney's founding

of its own distribution company, Buena Vista

Distribution. Later in 1953, after the film was

released, Peter Pan also became the final Disney

film in which all nine members of Disney's Nine

Old Men, which I've referenced a couple times

in previous episodes, worked together as directing

animators. So Mike, when was the first time you

saw Peter Pan, or what do you remember about

it? It had to have been when I was a kid. It

had to have been, I don't know, I was... Still

are. Nothing wrong with that. If anyone can see

the camera for Ustream, I'm flipping Kevin off

on the camera. Nobody knows what time it is.

Nice. Nice, Mike. Yeah, exactly. When did it

become a bad thing to still be a kid? No, it's

not. Kid at heart. I never said it was, but I'm

just saying that I think that when I first saw

this, I was, I don't know, maybe seven, eight.

See, I thought I was at propose since Peter Pan

doesn't make a comment about you not growing

up. I Really liked it. I thought I was a nice

story at the time It's funny. This is another

one of those ones where I don't have a very vivid

memory of of seeing it. I Mean, I remember seeing

the film but it's not like once we get to and

I'm jumping ahead here But once we get to Robin

Hood, which is I believe it's episode 86 I have

a very, very vivid, fond memory of watching that

film. Whereas this one, much like Alice in Wonderland,

I don't really... I mean, I remember seeing it

as a kid and I remember enjoying it, but it's

not something that's stuck in my brain. That's

good. I'd hate for it to be stuck in there. Trying

to get out. Oh, God. What about you, Tara? Oh,

um... Well, Peter Pan was probably one of my

earlier films as well. I probably watched it

when I was around five or six years old. And

what I remember, I remember the whole Pirates.

That's what I remember, because I liked pirates

for some reason growing up. So I remember the

Pirates. I remember Hook and Pan, which were

two of my favorite characters from Peter Pan.

And I just remember that. I don't remember too

much of it because I didn't really understand

it when I was little. But I think now when I

was getting ready for the recording and I went

back and watched it, I understood it more now

than I did when I was younger. So it was a good

film. I have no complaints about it. I liked

it. There we go. I don't really remember. I know

I saw this as a kid probably a couple different

times, but like Mike said, it definitely was

not one of those that... I was dying to watch

over and over again, kind of like you said with

Alice in Wonderland and the first Disney movie

and a few of those early classics that I just

don't care about. I mean, maybe I'm just jaded

because I've seen so much better stuff since

then, but a lot of the Disney classics just aren't

my favorite. Dumbo, Bambi, and like I said, Alice

in Wonderland and this one. I mean, I remember

watching it a few times and I probably was entertained,

but it's just not one that I, it wouldn't rank

at the top of my list. I'd like to point something

out. Normally, I don't do this. Normally, I don't

let people in on some of the behind -the -scenes

stuff for some of our podcasts, but in the Ustream

chat here, Alex mentions Michael Jackson's Neverland

or Michael Jackson as a kid. I have to read you

guys this because I found it hilarious. In the

84th episode, Mike, Tara, and Kevin fly off to

Neverland. No, not that Neverland, the one with

the pirates and lost boys. I'm still confused

which Neverland we're talking about. No, I'm

just kidding. Ow. So it just doesn't have the

monkey. Okay, gotcha. Oh, that's bad. Or the

amazing cool amusement park rides that Michael

Jackson built. That's true. Oh, jeez. That's

one way to say it. I'd want that. Wow. Have my

own amusement park? What kid wouldn't want that?

You know what's funny, and this is way off topic

of Peter Pan, but remember those old McDonald's

commercials of the kids having the McDonald's

built on the back of their house? Oh, I remember

that. Kevin, you don't remember those? No, I

don't know why, but no. God. Like really old

McDonald's commercials. Yeah. I just remember

the ones where all the Happy Meal characters

were a live actor. and costumes that kind of

disturb me. Mike, does comparing the two Neverlands

fill our quota for being perverted jerk -offs

in this episode? Well, it's funny you mention

this, and I don't know if you've checked Twitter

at all today, but I posted to you and Tara. I

took a screen cap off of the first film, and

technically Tinkerbell is a porn star. So if

we didn't get it with the Michael Jackson reference,

we just got it with the Tinkerbell porn star

reference. Well, the only reason why I say that

is because the whole time she's trying to get

out of the little keyhole, at one point it actually

shows her panties. It does. It is a little risque.

Oh, Tinkerbell. She's a freaky deaky. Yeah, we're

so we are so getting like way way ago Waltman

XP Yeah, yeah, really like that one anyway Yeah,

but it's like ever since we've started this podcast

and it's been going two years. It's like almost

every episode We have to top ourselves with references

now, and it's not it's not just because of Waltman.

It's just just because It's fun stuff Yes, very

fun stuff. So I think we're going to put Tara

to work, and she's going to take care of some

of the characters slash voice actors. Wow. Sweet.

So first off, we have Bobby Driscoll as Peter

Pan, the boy who never grows up. Like Tinkerbell,

he can be hot -headed, he's commanding, but very

brave. He can also be kind of mean at times,

laughing at Wendy, at the mermaids, as the mermaids

nastily tease her. Though despite this, he is

caring, especially when it comes to Tinkerbell's

safety. He finds enjoyment in fighting Captain

Hook, no surprise there. and was responsible

for the loss of his left hand. On to Tinkerbell.

Tinkerbell, a hot -headed pixie and Peter Pan's

closest friend, she's very envious of the relationship

formed between Wendy and himself. Her jealousy

causes her to have Wendy nearly stoned to death

and eventually even tell Captain Hook Pan's hideout.

Tricked into thinking his intention is to capture

Wendy, not Peter. Once she realizes what she

has done, she tries her best to warn Peter of

a bomb Hook has left for him addressed as if

from Wendy. Unfortunately, Peter won't hear of

it, and she manages to push the bomb away from

him the very moment it explodes, thus rescuing

Peter's life courageously, almost at the cost

of her own life. When Peter searches for her

desperately in the ashes, she reflects a change

of attitude towards Wendy and the boy, telling

him he must rescue them first from Captain Hook's

ship. Of course, he rescues her first. Towards

the end, Tink helps the Darling children return

home by sprinkling pixie dust all across the

pirate ship. Peter Pan is just inherited, now

to be called Captain Pan. Next, we got Katherine

Bumont as Wendy Darling. The eldest of the Darling

children adores Peter Pan. She is 12 years old,

turning 13, which is what drives her moody father

to move her out of the nursery. so she may mature.

She is a very feminine character with somewhat

motherly care for others. She reminds the lost

boys of their own mothers. She was the first

one of the darling children to ask to return

home. She has a soft spot for Peter and envies

the attention he pays Tiger Lily. She has reason

to dislike Tinker Bell but thinks her lovely

anyway, namely after the latter calls her a big

ugly girl. She has a very tame personality, wanting

the best for everyone and grudging no one even

when the mermaids tease her nastily. She worries

about the danger of their teasing more than their

nastiness itself. She is naive, wise and mature

and very trusting and faithful to her standards

of conscience. Next up we got Paul Collins as

John Darling, one of Wendy's two younger siblings.

The older Darling's son. He is eight years old

and acts very mature for his age in a sophisticated

way, unnatural to his age group. He is an analyzing

thinker and a good at strategy. For instance,

when he takes lead over the Lost Boys in capturing

Indians and in fighting the pirates on board

the ship. He wears large black glasses and is

tall and slim. It is interesting to note that

all the Darling children wore their night gowns

to Neverland, but he added the black top hat

and an umbrella showing exaggerated maturity.

Tommy Lusk as Michael Darling, the youngest darling

child of three, about four years old. He carries

a teddy bear with him and is very sensitive.

He's also a little clumsy yet very playful. And

then we have... Hans Conrad as George Darling,

the darling children's father. He's a very moody

and dramatic figure. In the beginning of the

film, he is called a practical man. He's had

enough of the boys listening to Wendy's imaginary

tales about Peter Pan, and in a moment of frustration,

he demands that Wendy's room be parted from the

boys' room, saying she has to grow up. He is

easily irritated at the mere mention of Peter

Pan and expresses his dislike in a rage of temper.

However, when cooled down in the end of the film,

he changes his mind about one of these crazy

stories. He later remarks having seen a pirate

ship such as Peter Pan's when he was very young

himself. In contrast to his moody outbursts,

he is gentle at heart when he punishes the children

by taking Nana the dog outside. He feels sorry

for her and soothes her to comfort her. Heather

Angel as Mary Darling, the darling children's

mother, she is much calmer and more understanding

of her daughter's stories than her husband is,

even though she takes them with a pinch of salt,

saying Peter Pan is the spirit of youth. When

her husband is overwhelmed with frustration at

the children, she tries to soothe him and later

on assures the children that their father doesn't

really mean what he says when he is angry, and

that he truly loves them very much, which is

true. She is a wise, lovely woman and kind at

heart. Next up, we have Nana, the Darling's nursemaid,

a St. Bernard dog. Originally, it was a new family

dog. She is an unnatural dog, taking care of

the Darling children and cleaning up after their

continuous messes. She is very sufficient at

her work and possesses much tolerance to the

messes she must cope with. She is the family

Darling's pet, a general favorite, so much that

separating her from the children for one night

was considered a great punishment. Hans Conrad

as Captain Hook, the antagonist of the film,

a pirate captain who seeks revenge on Pan for

having his left hand chopped off and fed to the

crocodile in a fair battle. He is a dangerous

villain with no conscience to recommend him,

yet is dependent on his personal assistant Mr.

Smee. He also turns out to be very childish in

his fear of the crocodile which wants to devour

him. And we have Bill Thompson as Mr. Smee, Huck's

personal assistant and the comic relief in the

story. Mr. Smee is always being bossed around

by Huck. The frustrated and bored crimen tease

him by belly -jabbing, locking him up in a treasure

box, tied, hooking his shirt on the wall, and

throwing darts at almost his belly. Smee's a

drunk. He is definitely a drunk. And I am taking

a breath. Yes. Yeah. Wow. I think that's the

most character description we've done in about

20 episodes. Yeah. So let's just give some of

our thoughts on some of these characters. Kevin,

who did you like the best out of the ones so

far that we've talked about or that she's read

about? Geez. Do I have to pick any? You don't

like them? I don't I don't really care for any

of the characters in this movie. Really? Yeah,

I especially I Guess Wendy's all right. I could

care less for for John. I really don't like the

older brother The younger brother is okay. I

kind of like him, you know, he's cutie. Here's

a teddy bear around whatever and I kind of like

Tinkerbell even though she's emo But I don't

know they're just all I don't dislike most of

them except for the older brother But I don't

there's just nothing about him that I just overly

like See, this is an episode where we're probably

gonna disagree One episode that we're gonna disagree

on well, we haven't disagreed on a lot of character

stuff the last couple episodes so I As far as

I I like the brothers better than Wendy herself

Because the brothers to me even though they're

two different characters They were ready to have

like John he was ready to have the adventures

He was ready to have an open mind about having

you know, the adventures and fighting pirates

and all that. So I like that about him and then

Michael Kind of the same but he's a little bit

on the more innocent side. So They're all right.

Do you really like love any of these characters?

Probably hook and the not only the character

itself, but like the Like the relationships that

the characters have with each other, like Hook

and the Crocodile. That's just hilarious. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't dislike them. I like all

the characters, but none of them are like...

I don't know. I don't love any of them, I guess

is the thing. There's nothing special about any

of them. They're all just okay. They're all fine.

Except for the Lost Boys. I hate the Lost Boys.

There's too many characters. Yeah. The only characters

I dislike are the Lost Boys. Don't mind them

I actually kind of like them because they're

they provide more mischief and they always like

a perfect example is of course, you know the

emo porn star fairy You know tells them a lie

and and they basically just straight -out follow

it, but I mean, they're alright They're not the

best characters, but they're not like the worst

character in a Disney film Like I said, nobody's

great in this as far as characters go. And I'm

not trying to like hate on them because I'm not

saying that there's not ones that I just like

hate, hate with a passion. It's just, I don't

know, I just don't find any of them like just

exhilarating or like none of them stuck with

me after I saw it. It's not like some characters

where I think about them every now and then,

you know, just because they're always in, they

imprinted in my head when I saw the movie when

I was young or something like that. Yeah, I gotta

say, A dog is a nurse bait. I know dogs are really

smart, but give me a break. That was weird. I

have to admit, that was the weirdest thing that

bugged me about that whole movie was the dog.

And the other weirdest thing, and I didn't notice

this until now, technically the father is Captain

Hook. Yeah. Because it's the same guy that does

both voices. And when I was watching it back

earlier before the recording, I was like, hey,

wait a second. That's Captain Hook what and I

Think it would have been a really really weird

twist if they had made the like Get have Captain

Hook is the father's alter ego. I don't think

they would have taken it that dark But I thought

that would have been a really weird and an interesting

twist yeah, there is an interesting twist voice

acting wise because Like we said in the last

episode Kath Catherine Beaumont who was Wendy

darling was also Alice in Wonderland mm -hmm

But, Heather Angel, who plays Mary Darlene, which

is Wendy's mom, played Alice's sister. Oh, that's

interesting. So they were sisters in Alice in

Wonderland, their mom and daughter in Peter Pan.

So that's kind of interesting. Yes. You know

what, for me, in terms of the characters, I love

Pan. He's alright. I think out of all of them,

I just really liked Peter. If I had to pick a

favorite, if I had to pick a favorite, I'd probably

say Tinkerbell. Tinkerbell? Yeah, because she's

kind of risque. No, I'm just kidding. No, she's

moody. It's a good thing that the kids of today

do not know of Tinkerbell's risque history. That's

right. Don't know once I post that picture on

Facebook. Yeah. We should mention some of the

other voice actors that played minor characters

because they're kind of famous. June Foray. June

Foray as Squaw and Candy Candido as the Indian

Chief and Candy Candido did a ton of stuff for

Disney back in the day. So they were the Indian

Chief and the mom and dad basically of, I guess

if you want to say it like that, of Tiger Lily.

But other than that really, Bill Thompson was

probably the most famous voice actor, the one

that did Mr. Smee. Yeah. Yeah, and shall I continue

with our list of No, let's let's just pick our

favorites and least favorites. Yeah, we don't

need to read the rest I guess Tinkerbells easily

my favorite and if I have to pick a least favorite

I'll just put all the lost boys together with

you on that. I lost boys Didn't like them Oh,

Cubby and Nibs and Slightly and Twins, the twins,

yeah, yeah, just in care form. I'm cheating.

Peter Pan, easily. I can see that. Easily. That's

not cheating. What are you talking about? That's

not cheating. It's always cheating to pick the

main character. Yeah, I was going to say, if

you've listened to some of the past episodes,

we always say we're going to cheat and pick the

main character because majority of the time in

most of the cartoons, especially the ones that

we've talked about here on Tooncast, the majority

of the time there are most of the main like the

main protagonists are pretty awesome characters

they're wrong they're meant to be your favorite

huh and they're written to be your favorite okay

well I guess that's cheating one no but we do

cheat we do yeah yeah we cheat who's your least

favorite Mike um let's see at least um I'm trying

to think here. Probably the mermaids, I guess.

I don't know. They're just such ancillary characters.

You don't really need them there. It moves the

story along. At first, I didn't like Father Darling

at first. Yeah, I didn't either. I also thought

that Mother Darling, she was like... nose up

in the air type of person. Yeah, you can kind

of get that vibe out of her. Yeah. But I mean,

other than that, in the context of the movie,

I like almost all the characters. I don't dislike

the Lost Boys, I think, because the whole point

for this movie is, and as we know this and Kevin

kind of pointed out earlier, that it's about

being a kid. And you have with the Lost Boys,

with John and Michael and Wendy and Peter and

all these kids, you have every single different

type of character of being a kid and going on

adventures. Yeah. That's true. A little heavy

on the males. Well, yeah. I mean, there might

not be a lot of characters. I don't know, I'm

not a female, but I think it's easier for a male

to relate to this movie. Yeah. Yeah, I'll have

to agree with you on that. I'll give some female

perspective on this film. It clearly was not

aimed for girls. Yeah, I mean, you got Wendy

or Tinkerbell. Yeah. I mean, you got Wendy, who

like, you know, all you really see her do in

that film is get captured by Captain Hook. Yeah.

And kind of be the damsel in distress, if you

will. She's not a heroine at all. No. So I mean,

of course, it was not aimed at, they were not

aiming at females watching this. You're aiming

at boys and men. Right. There's nothing wrong

with that, but that's just the reality of it.

Right, yeah. But that's not to say that females

won't like it. I mean, I liked it, and I'm a

girl, so. True. Just not as easy to relate to

one of the actual individual character. Yeah,

that's true Yeah, I could I could not relate

to Wendy at all Yeah, I just I just couldn't

I just I relate to her I relate to that to her

daughter in the second in the sequel more than

I relate to Wendy Interesting yeah, I'll throw

that out Just saying that yeah any other thoughts

on any of the characters or the voice actors

by anybody I don't think there was any voices

that I didn't dislike. I mean, they're all so

different. I mean, it's not like where you have...

It's not like where you have someone trying to

do a bad impression of a character. Right. Everybody

was there. Every character was their own voice.

It wasn't like you're trying to copy something

from something else. Which is kind of impressive

given the number of youngsters that were involved

in the voice cast. Almost every single character

was actually done. All the characters that are

kids in the movie were done by kids, basically.

The only adult characters are the ones that are

adults, like Captain Hook and Mr. Smee and the

mom and dad and the Indian chief and Squaw. Peter

Pan and all the Lost Boys and Wendy Darling and

her brothers are all done by kids. I absolutely

loved the whole exchange, and I'm kind of getting

into plot, but the whole exchange with the Lost

Boys and Peter and the chief of talking like

Indians. I thought that was kind of funny. Yeah.

Probably not looked on so great these days, though.

Well... I mean, I'm just saying the Indian interaction

in the movie would probably be frowned upon these

days. Well, yeah, but again, Tooncast is about

nostalgia. It's not about what... You know, what's

right and what's not. Just saying stuff that

they probably wouldn't get away with now. Probably

not. Because as I mentioned in episode 82, as

I've mentioned in other episodes, censorship.

Yeah, very much so. So let's get into the behind

the scenes stuff. Outside of Bill Pete, I don't

recognize anybody. You should. Well, you should

because Ted Sears and Joe Rinaldi have shown

up on the last few episodes. Like we said in

the opening, this is the last one done by the

animators that had done most of these Disney

movies up to this point. That's why the animation

from Peter Pan on back looks so similar and kind

of has that same stylistic feel to it. I will

mention that one of the directors, Hamilton Lusky,

was the father of the voice actor of Michael

Darlene. So I got a son a gig on this one But

actually a son also worked in Alice in Wonderland

as one of the flowers Little Disney connection

there But yeah besides JM Barry who wrote the

original play or sir James M Barry and Ted Sears

and Bill Pete and Jordan Aldi I don't remember

I don't recognize too many of the people that

had a hand in the writing Yeah, I don't either

at all I definitely won't Some background on

how they went about making Peter Pan though as

far as behind the scenes go They had actually

been trying to buy the film rights to the to

the play by Barry for quite a good number of

years almost 20 years And he came to arrangement

originally with this hospital in London who Barry

had given the rights to the play and He basically

started the development Actually back in the

40s Peter Pan was supposed to be a follow -up

to Bambi Oh Yeah, but the second World War like

we kind of talked about with one with Alice in

Wonderland forced it to be put on or Pinocchio

forced it to be put on hold So that's why some

things change between that original draft like

if you got some character designs and like pictures

of stuff that was originally written for Or mapped

out for Peter Pan. It would look much different

than what finally, you know wasn't the final

version The original version actually had Nana

go to Neverland with Pan and Darling children

and had a much darker ending, so it wasn't until

after the war that all that was changed. Last

year, they had released another platinum edition

for pan and I missed out on getting the DVD before

I watched this before recording this episode

I haven't seen this movie in at least 20 years

and I could have sworn when when a lot of the

pixie dust was coming down on Nana I could have

sworn it was gonna she was gonna float up and

follow them. Yeah Yeah, that would have been

kind of cool another interesting thing about

this behind the scenes stuff is that you might

notice if you look at pictures of the voice actors,

they very much so resemble the characters because

in this movie they actually used the voice actors

or some of the voice actors, in some cases they

got other people, but to stand basically as a

live action reference model to the people that

were drawing the characters. Probably the best

two examples of this are Bobby Driscoll who was

Peter Pan and Katherine Beaumont who are Wendy

Darling because they were basically the live

-action reference and that's why they look almost

identical to their characters. Obviously for

Tinkerbell they had to get somebody completely

different because there's not really a voice

actor so to speak so they had a lady named Margaret

Kelly be the live -action reference model but

I thought that was kind of neat and I'd never

kind of realized that until I looked at But side

by side with Bobby Driscoll and Peter Pan that

they look a lot alike. But I find that interesting.

That's very interesting. Didn't they do that

in other Disney films like Sleeping Beauty? Yeah,

they did do that at other times too. But we haven't

mentioned it so far in the Disney spotlight so

I kind of wanted to make sure we mentioned it

since we didn't before. I don't think we mentioned

it with Sleeping Beauty and a few of the others.

Yeah, and the other thing is there was a rumor

that Marilyn Monroe was the model for Tinkerbell.

Tinkerbell. I heard that. I remember reading

that. But that was not true. No. She would have

looked a lot differently if she was, wouldn't

she? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. That looks nothing

like Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, there would be longer

hair and poor boob. Oh, geez. Then it'd really

be a porn star. There'd be more wind in the movie.

She'd have a mole somewhere. Yeah. Oh, that's

funny. That's all I got for behind the scenes.

Yeah. I guess I'll summarize the plot since it's

been a while since I've done the plot summary,

and I'm sure Kevin's getting tired of doing it.

About time you did some work. I'm just kidding.

Shut the hell up. It's my show. I put the schedule

together. Well, I don't get a lot of the scripts

nowadays, but anyways. Control freak. Just shut

up. Now, now, YouTube. Play nice. Go ahead. We'll

kind of get into the differences between the

film and the play a little bit later, but the

basic plot is Wendy tells her brothers all these

stories of Peter Pan and everything else. She's

stolen his shadow and he comes to get his shadow

and takes her to Neverland, meets Hook. It's

a whole convoluted story, I think. I don't know

if it was paced enough that well, I don't know

if it's too fast or too slow, but basically you

have Hook who tricks Tinkerbell, and I don't

know, I'm jumping all over the place. This is

why I have Kevin do this crap. Aww. Make Kevin

do all the work. Well basically first he captures

Tiger Lily. Yup. And he gets her to try to give

away the location. So basically you have Captain

Hook and his pirates with Tiger Lily trying to

find Pan. Then you have Pan and the Lost Boys

and the Darling Kids, which aren't all together

at the same time, but they're trying to explain

to the Indian Chief and whatnot that they don't

have her. That's why you're saying it's convoluted

because you have a lot of different things happening

at once and everybody's in a different area.

Eventually, you have three different groups.

You have Hook and the Pirates with Tiger Lily.

You have the Lost Boys and the Two Brothers.

Then you have Peter and Wendy off on their own

talking to mermaids and doing stuff like that,

which was my least favorite part of the entire

movie. Yeah, I didn't care for that part either.

Peter and Wendy free Tiger Lily. And then Hook

resorts to trying to trick Tinkerbell because

Tinkerbell's been jealous of Wendy the whole

time for how much attention Peter Pan pays to

her. So then you have that dynamic of like the

little love triangle even though one of them's

a fairy. And to make a long story short, eventually...

We have the showdown with Hook and Peter Pan.

We got bombs going off and we got everybody ending

up back in the real world and the Lost Boys deciding

that they should stay in Neverland and then the

parents come home and it's basically been just

that night and they don't have a clue what's

happened even though it's kind of inference that

Mr. Darling had a similar adventure when he was

a kid. Yeah. You know the one problem I have

with this movie is I know it's a kids movie.

I know it's supposed to be all kids fun games

but The one problem I have with this movie is

when they fire the cannonballs at Peter and all

that stuff, they don't ever actually show the

destruction of the cannonballs after Pan dodges

them. They don't ever actually show where they

land. So it's like, cannonballs in space. Yeah,

there's just a lot of different parts throughout

that plot that It kind of don't do anything for

me. Like you said, it's kind of convoluted if

it was ... I don't know. There's too many broken

up groups. If it focused more on just the Lost

Boys and that group with the brothers and stuff

as a story, but when they go off to the mermaid,

I don't think that's necessary. I almost don't

think the whole tiger lily and the Indians are

necessary. I think it would have been better

if Hook and Peter Pan would have captured one

of the kids originally. or captured Tinkerbell

originally or just had it amongst them. I don't

see the need or the necessity for the addition

of the mermaids and the Indians. I have to agree

with that. So, I don't know. It seems like they

tried to make it too complex. Not that it's necessarily

complicated to follow, but it just seems like

it's unnecessary. So, what about the differences

between the play and this? Because, I mean, were

the Indians in the mermaid stuff? Was that in

the play or anything like that? I'm not real

super familiar with the play. I mean obviously

like I said before the main difference was was

that Involving the darlings because wasn't the

mom I think more involved in the play I Think

I think the mom was a little bit bigger part.

Um, yeah, and they returned to the Lost Boys

returned to Neverland Right and instead of staying

I don't I don't know the play well the according

to this Let's see here the Lost Boys are not

adopted at the end by the darlings as in the

play television and other film Versions they

returned to Neverland and stay there with Peter

never growing up The Disney film also lightens

the storyline by carefully eliminating all potentially

tragic overtones of the story, even going so

far as to have the darling children's absence

from the nursery go completely unnoticed by their

parents. In the original play, and its 1954 musical

version after Wendy, John, and Michael go to

Neverland with Peter, the parents are plunged

into a period of mourning until the children

return home. Yeah, so apparently the play was

a little darker. Yeah, and Disney dumbed it up

a little bit and then added some roommates and

Indians maybe well I don't I mean I don't know

because it's one of those things where I can

see what you're saying Kevin the other thing

is I Don't know if they would really I mean that

they've done so many other risk a films at this

point You've got you know that The movie that

shall not be named ever again on this podcast,

you've got that. You've got Pinocchio, which,

you know, we've... But this is also coming right

off of when they get blasted for doing Alice

in Wonderland. Yeah, that's true. I mean, they

got... I mean, people were not kind to them about

that movie. Yeah, so maybe they were trying to

not go quite that crazy with it But yeah, it's

kind of hard to say what they're how Disney react

I mean, I'm not I'm not big on Walt Disney himself

and how he reacted things I don't know his history

as far as like what his personality would be

if he would just say, you know, screw you guys

I'm still doing what I want or if he would actually

cater to some of the critiques he received. I

don't know I'm not surprised to be honest Yeah

So it's hard to say. I mean, if there's someone

out there that knows a lot about the play and

can help us out and fill in some details, that'd

be great. But I've never read the play, so I

don't know. The movie didn't inspire me to go

read the play. I believe it's the original play.

I do know one thing. Peter Pan was J .R. Ewing's

mother in the play. Of course, this does give

fuel to our iTunes reviewer who says we don't

know anything about children's literature. Oh,

God. Oh, no. But once again, we're not a literature

podcast. We're a cartoon podcast. We're a cartoon

podcast. There's a difference. So apparently,

hopefully nobody else is confused by that. It

does say Tooncast on the title anyway. Yes, it

does. We do have some bits of trivia for you.

Just like there's something that is exactly...

like the play version of it, and that is that

the same actor performed the roles of both Mr.

Darling and Captain Hook. So that obviously wasn't

a coincidence. That's something that was intentionally

done in both the play and the movie. The melody

for the second star to the right was originally

written for Alice in Wonderland for a song that

was to be called Beyond the Laughing Sky. So

again, Disney reusing things or using things

that they didn't get a chance to use in other

movies. This is Bobby Driscoll's sixth Disney

movie, the voice actor that did Peter Pan. Most

of his other roles were just bit roles. The phrase

second to the right and straight on until morning

was changed into second star to the right for

the Disney version. Also since the stage musical

version with Mary Martin opened on Broadway in

1954, non -Disney versions have used the term

Never Neverland as opposed to Neverland. So obviously

some rights issues there or trying to avoid some

suing or whatever. In the original play, Hook

loses his right hand, but the Disney artist felt

that that would limit his actions too much and

switched it to his left hand. Okay. Though the

film was extremely successful, Walt Disney himself

was dissatisfied with the finished product. He

felt that the character of Peter Pan was cold

and unlikable, which I can see a little bit,

but I didn't think it was cold necessarily. And

of course we have a goofy holler. I don't know

if you guys caught this, but it's heard during

Captain Hook's fight with the crocodile inside

the cave at Skull Rock when Smee accidentally

hits Hook on his head with his robot oar. The

goofy holler is partially obscured by gargling

noises as Hook goes underwater after taking the

hit. And in the original planned version, Nana

traveled with the children of Neverland, like

we said, and it also had a much darker ending.

So I guess there's a few things you can look

for, especially that goofy holler, if you want

to watch it again. Yeah, no, I didn't even catch

it. I did not catch it. I caught it in Cinderella.

Yeah, normally I can catch goofy hollers because

I always laugh because I love the goofy holler,

but I didn't catch it this time. Getting into

the... Well, do we want to give overall... I

mean, we've kind of talked about the plot a little

bit as far as what our thoughts of it are, but...

Do you guys have a favorite part? I like the

fight between Captain Hook and Peter at the end.

Yeah. I thought that was pretty cool. Even though

I don't like the Lost Boys, I kind of like when

they first meet the Darlings. And just kind of

how you can see the interaction, how they're

introduced. That's about the only time I like

them. Other than that, I don't know if I have

a favorite part at all. It just kind of seems

like the same to me. What about you, Mike? Maybe

the walking the plank, I don't know. Yeah, the

walking the plank and the end scene as well,

the end battle, but it's funny. I said before

that I don't know how, I know animals are very

smart, but I don't know how a dog could be considered

a nursemaid. But I love the scene in the beginning

where she keeps ending up knocking over all the

blocks. Yeah. I thought that was kind of funny,

but probably the end scene as well, just the

end. What about a least favorite scene, the Mermaids?

Yeah, the Mermaids was so, like the Indian stuff,

that was fun. At least to me it was fun because

they were supposedly playing games with the Indians.

But the Mermaids scene, it's like, hello, welcome

to Disney's version of the Playboy Grotto. Wow.

You felt it was unnecessary, eh? Yeah, pretty

much, yeah. What about you, Tara? Did you have

a least favorite scene? Yeah, I'm gonna have

to agree with Mike on the mermaid. We all agree.

Yes. Disney didn't do mermaids very well until

1989. That's right. I agree with that. Just,

they were nasty. I didn't see a reason for them

to be there. No, not at all. What about the music

for this film, Mike? Yes, getting into the music

segment. The songs in Peter Pan were composed

by Sammy Fine? I don't know, whatever. Sammy

Kahn, Frank Churchill, Winston Hibbler, and Ted

Sears. Oliver Wallace composed the incidental

music score as well. Some of these songs are

okay. It isn't like everybody knows Painting

the Roses Red. Everybody knows that song. Or

When You Wish Upon a Star. Right, exactly. The

music in this just doesn't seem to... This is

not one of Disney's best music soundtracks. Not

at all. The second star to the right, You Can

Fly, A Pirate's Life, Following the Leader. What

made the red man red? There's controversy there.

Your mother in mine, the elegant Captain Hook,

you can fly, reprise, and never smile like a

crocodile. And honestly, I couldn't tell you

how any of those sound. No. I mean, I have to

agree, because honestly, the soundtrack didn't

do anything for me. Yeah. This is one of the

worst Disney soundtracks ever. Yes. Only song

that I can say I actually enjoyed listening to

in this film was A Pirate's Life. Yeah. I mean,

Mike, you'll have to agree that even the movie

that will not be mentioned had better music than

this. Slightly, yeah. I mean, you gotta whistle

while you work a little bit. Okay, well, yeah.

Aw, you have to love whistle while you work.

Yeah, exactly. That song alone beat this entire

movie. You gotta work on your person. But even

though we're bashing the music a little bit,

if you... Are a Disney music fan apparently they

thought that they had to put a song from this

movie into their classic Disney 60 years of musical

magic So it does contain the you can fly song

on one of the discs the second start of the right

on the other disc and following the leader on

The third disc and on Disney's greatest hits

you can fly is and the second start of the right

also appears So I don't know if they really merit

being on those discs, but they are I Never liked

their Disney half relations. I always I don't

know. I'd rather create my own Good choice, good

idea. Getting into the legacy segment. I'm not

reading this first paragraph. Oh, we gotta go

through the circle. Do you want me to read it?

Oh, God. I got you, Mike. You know what? Seriously,

though, rest in peace, Michael Jackson, but Jesus

Christ. Oh, God. You're moving, people. Michael

Jackson had cited that Peter Pan as being his

favorite movie of all time from which he derived

the name for his estate Neverland Ranch in Santa

Barbara when he had a private amusement park

in which was the site of much controversy before

he moved away in 2005. Ronald D. Moore, one of

the executive producers and developer of the

reimagined Battlestar Galactica, has cited this

film as the inspiration for one of the recurring

themes of the series concerning the cyclical

nature of time. The first line of the film, all

this has happened before and will happen again,

has been featured prominently in the series as

a piece of scripture, often repeated by characters.

The New York Times gave the film a very mixed

review, praising the animation itself, but also

declaring that the film was not really true to

the spirit of the original Barry play. Time Magazine

perhaps surprisingly not only gave the film highly

favorable review but also never mentioned the

numerous essential plot changes that Disney made

to the original play. But you had a lot of merchandise.

You have books, you have different parts of Walt

Disney World, Disneyland, etc. Like theme attractions

you had. Ice shows you had. Obviously the video

games like we've mentioned in a couple of the

other episodes. All the Kingdom Hearts series

feature Peter Pan and Hook and Tinker Bell and

a few of the other characters. What do you have

to say about the DVD, though? Uh, 2Disc Platinum

Edition of the film in 2007. i would probably

get the debt to this platinum edition film and

you're probably gonna have to find on amazon

because i think it went back into the world recently

of course but i mean or when they go back in

the vault yeah i was somebody's blow up that

damn fault i like the fault no you don't does

the vault even exist like honestly yes it's a

real thing no no i don't think it does I think

it's just their way of saying that we are no

longer printing this until the next anniversary.

Yes. Or you better get your butt down in the

video store and buy it before it goes back into

this imaginary vault. Yep. Exactly. Peter Pan

could stay in the vault for all I care. It's

an okay film. I mean, if you're just looking

at it as a pure enjoyment and just wanting to

be a child again, it's okay. But from a reviewer

standpoint, I would have to agree with you. But

just, you know, from having just something fun

to watch, it's fairly fun to watch, I guess,

but I don't know. It's okay. It's just not very

re -watchable. No, not really. It's not something

you're gonna watch like every year. Yeah, no,

not at all. I didn't even think to watch this

film until I found out I was gonna be on the

show. Yeah, I mean some Disney films I could

literally watch over and over and never get tired

of them and some of them are coming up on our

schedule so I'm happy about that because I've

been depressed with our trilogy of Pinocchio,

Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland. So I'm looking

forward to some of the ones that I actually enjoy

watching. Yes, there's also the Disney fairies

series. There's also multiple Tinkerbell movies.

Um, Tinkerbell and her other porn star friends.

Apparently she has friends. And of course the

sequel. Yes, there's Peter Pan 2 Return to Neverland.

Um, I know, Tara, did you like this one? Did

you like the sequel? I liked it. I liked the

sequel more than I liked the original. See, when

I watched the sequel back, and I know, Kevin,

did you watch the sequel or no? It's a Disney

animated sequel and Cinderella did not, to make

me ever want to watch one of those again. Well,

you have to watch the rest of the sequels because

I watched the seagulls I didn't know this one

existed to be fair liar It came out it came out

in like 2002 2003 I believe This one is I would

say I was saying a Tara off -air before we started

the recording that Outside of some of the continuity

bits like Peter talking to Wendy at the end of

the film It's basically the exact same story

as the first film except. It's Wendy's daughter

Jane that that goes to Neverland and She only

made in Neverland. Huh? Did anybody grow up in

Neverland or are they all the same age? No, they're

all the same That would defeat the purpose. Yeah,

they're all the same One thing I do want to bring

up since we are talking about this and it's also

a way for me to cross -promote movie we can review

episode 74 which is a while ago now We talked

about the live -action hook Robin Williams and

Dustin Hoffman Amazing film. I love that film.

I love hook I consider hook to be more of a sequel

to the first Disney animated Peter Pan, then

returned to Neverland. I agree with that. Hook

was amazing. And it's not just because it was

Steven Spielberg film, just amazing. Eh. What?

Well done. What do you mean, eh? I guess maybe

just the whole Peter Pan franchise is nothing

I can ever get excited about. No. I mean, Robin

Williams was cool and everything, but my movie

did nothing for me. Are you serious? That movie

did nothing for you. That's why I refused to

be on the record with you when you did it. Oh,

did I even add it? I don't even remember. Yes,

you did. I don't know. Just the whole story does

nothing for me. I don't know. Why? It just doesn't.

It's Peter Pan. I could give it to you. All right,

but a hook is not the normal Pan story. A hook

is not what the original Peter Pan Disney is.

It is probably better than the original film.

Right, but the thing is, you know, Peter actually

left Neverland. He grew up. And he became this

tight -ass lawyer. And, you know, he has to go

back and he has to learn. Everything all over

again. I'm sorry just seeing Robin Williams in

the pantsuit and seeing Dustin fucking Hoffman

is hook. Come on. You got to agree. That was

pretty badass Yeah, those two guys were awesome.

I love Dustin Hoffman. I love Robin Williams,

but the story and the rest of the characters,

yeah I enjoyed that film immensely. Yeah, I know

most people like it. I just it's just not my

cup of tea, I guess It's not Robin Williams'

best role, that's why. And it's not Dustin Hoffman's

best role. No, it's not his best role, but it

was entertaining. But it's still pretty awesome.

Yeah. Like I said, it's better than the original

movie, so I'll give it that much. So, we're gonna

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So final thoughts on Peter Pan, Kevin the Hater

Thompson? Yes, I've got a new nickname. Oh god,

that smug son of a bitch. Anyway, hopefully somebody

got that out there that was listening. Anyway,

Peter Pan to me is better than some Disney films,

but okay, I'll put it ahead of like Pinocchio

and I like it a little bit better and I like

Alice in Wonderland and a few like that, but

it just doesn't do much for me. It does not hold

a candle in comparison to the better Disney films

which in my mind came after these initial bunch

I get it. I like the idea of staying forever

young and I like the idea of Having that kid

mentality and whatnot. I just don't care for

this movie that much. It was good once I don't

want to rewatch it This for me is something that

is good like every five or six years Like once

every like once every so often I can see that

What about you Tara? For me, I'm gonna have to

say it doesn't do much for me Like I I enjoyed

it, but it just I'm not satisfied with this film

Yeah, it's not something that as I think one

of you guys mentioned that you're gonna go run

back and go watch it over and over again Yeah

It was just, I'm going to borrow a term I hear

my friend at school use, I'm going to say math.

Yeah, that's definitely what it was. And I don't

know if it's because, it might be for me because

I'm big with music on Disney films. I have to

have songs that I like in a Disney film. It's

not like other movies where I care so much more

about the story or the characters or whatever.

For me, if a Disney film does not have songs

that I absolutely want to hear over and over

again, I'm not going to like that film. Mm -hmm,

and this just doesn't have that like everything's

good or average and nothing's great in this movie

Yeah, I'm just not satisfied. I just I didn't

I won't go watch it again So everybody is gonna

be thrilled about our review and they're gonna

run out and watch Peter Pan I mean like I said

before though I mean if you're if you're wanting

to travel back to your child, then you want to

just act like a kid again and have those like

Adventure stories type of thoughts and just reminisce

on what you know, what kind of adventures you

had as a kid Watching this film could probably

trigger those memories But as it goes in a Disney

film, it's nuts. I agree with you guys. It's

not something I could watch every you know every

you know every other year, you know every other

two years or It's not something that I just put

into just for for background noise at all Do

you know what was better? Finding Neverland.

But what? Yeah, Finding Neverland. That was a

much better movie. Oh. I've heard of it, but

I don't remember it. Johnny Depp? Oh, Finding

Neverland? Yeah, that was a great movie. I remember

that film. That was pretty well done. Anyway,

go watch that instead of Peter Pan. That's my

two cents. That's my favorite Peter Pan -esque

type story is Finding Neverland. Okay then. Terry,

you wanted to say something? Yeah, I wanted to,

on my good friend Cody, it's his birthday on

Christmas Eve. I just want to wish Cody happy

birthday, man, if you're listening. Happy birthday,

Cody. I don't know you, but happy birthday. Yes.

Happy birthday. Actually, you probably planned

that out really well because this episode will

air December 22nd. She knows what she's doing.

Oh, look at that. Yeah, look at that. That's

pretty awesome. All right, let's see here. Let's

wait for Mike to find his place. Yeah, exactly.

You lost your place again. No, I didn't lose

my place again. Just in his brain. Something's

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