Disney’s Alice in Wonderland

This is The Brain, and you're listening to the

GeekCast Radio Network. Yes! Alice's Adventure

in Wonderland is an experience to remember as

you share the amazing things she sees and the

wonderful friends she meets. There's Tweedledum

and Tweedledee, the Walrus and the Carpenter,

the Mad Hatter, the March Hare, the Cheshire

Cat, the White Rabbit, and many more. I give

myself. Very good advice. But I very seldom follow

it. To me? To you! And welcome to the 83rd episode

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Network. I am your host, D .F. Joe and Mike,

and today I'm joined once again by Kevin, out

to a solo Thompson. Hello. Good day to you, sir.

And making his Tooncast debut is Pixel Dan from

the Pop Culture Network. Hello. Hey, guys. What's

up? Oh, not much. Today we're going to be continuing

the Disney spotlight and talking about Alice

in Wonderland. So, Dan, what's been going on

with you, bud? Not a whole lot staying busy Trying

to find time to do things outside of work, but

Yeah, yeah, what's going on over there pop culture

Lots of stuff Videos and podcasts and all kinds

of craziness. So yeah, that's it. Lots of things

to follow over there if you're not already doing

so Yeah, what's going on you Kevin Oh, you know

the same old podcasting and working up behind

the voice actors and trying to get more content

up there and more credits listed, more shows

included. Just added Spaceballs the animated

series and the Lady and the Tramp 2 movie cast

and characters up there. Uh huh. So I think we're

going to be going right into it with the history

lesson for Alice in Wonderland. Take it away,

Kev. Alrighty. Alice in Wonderland is a 1951

American animated feature produced by Walt Disney,

obviously, and it is based, for those of you

that don't know, on Lewis Carroll's Alice...

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, with a few

additional elements from Through the Looking

Glass. It is number 13 in the Walt Disney Classic

series. It was released in New York City and

London on July 26, 1951, and like most of the

other ones we've been talking about from this

time period, it was released by RKO Radio Pictures.

It's part of what some Disney People refer to

as the English cycle of Disney animated films,

which include Peter Pan, 101 Dalmatian, Sword

and Stone, Jungle Book, Robin Hood, Many Adventures

of Winnie the Pooh. and the rescuers, so it's

part of that group. It was made under the supervision

of Walt Disney himself, and the film and animation

are often regarded as some of the finest work

in Disney studio history, despite the hostile

reviews it originally received from a lot of

people, especially in the United Kingdom. When

was the first time you saw Alice in Wonderland,

Mike? Probably when I was a kid at some point.

I don't know exactly when. I just found the film

really, really wacky, just off the wall. Yeah,

it definitely would have that effect on you as

a kid as it did with me. I don't remember exactly

when I saw it for the first time. I think it

was with my sister because my sister was a much

bigger fan of it than I was. I was always just

kind of lost trying to figure out what was going

on. What about you, Dan? Thinking back, I almost

can't even remember watching that movie a whole

lot as a kid. There's like certain parts of it

I remember more. And I think it's because I had

a lot of those Disney sing -along songs videotapes.

So I specifically remember like the flower singing

and stuff like that much more than even like

the rest of the movie. Yeah. It's really weird.

I think the three main things I remember are

the playing cards, the Cheshire Cat and the White

Rabbit. Well, I think this is one of those movies

where the characters are so strong that you remember

the characters, but you don't necessarily remember

the context or the story behind them at times.

Right, right. Like everybody remembers the Cheshire

Cat, everybody remembers the Mad Hatter or the

White Rabbit or the Queen of Hearts or at least

some of those characters. But I can tell you

all the characters from it, but I certainly can't

tell you without having just watched it, how

it progresses from one to the next. Yeah, it's

one of those really, really out there movies.

This seems like a movie that would never get

by the censors nowadays. Oh, for sure, yeah.

The amount of stuff they do, you're like, what?

How could they get away with that? Well, yeah,

a little girl eating mushrooms, yeah, that would

never get by the censors. The dude doing the

bong? Yeah, right. It wasn't so much violent

or anything, but it was certainly drug paraphernalia

and references, etc, etc Say the whole movies

like a trip. Yeah, yeah And I'm sure for those

people I mean I'm not someone that has had much

experience or any experience with drugs But I'm

sure those people that have had experience probably

love this movie watch while they're high Yeah,

I'm sure. Oh Well, I don't know. I'm just guessing

I can't believe he said that So those those druggies

out there chime in and let us know Just trying

to get us some hate mail right off the bat yeah,

we should preface for Dan and Later on in the

episode. I will bring up a few good iTunes reviews.

We had a really bad iTunes review because someone

didn't like our Pinocchio episode where I made

plenty of porn references in regards to Pinocchio's

nose. And Kevin ranted on... What did you rant

on? You ranted on something. Oh, I don't know.

I ranted on that whole thing. Yeah. So there

was this guy who left us a really, really poor

iTunes review and basically calling us out and

saying that we don't have... We don't ever have

producers or writers or anybody that they want

to come on the podcast and we an episode in the

previous episode episode 82 we completely debunked

that because We've interviewed multiple voice

actors. We've entered or interviewed at least

a dozen writers from different shows. So So yeah

a bunch of perverts. Yeah, I think I Think our

goal or at least my goal for the rest of the

Disney spotlight is to pretty much find anything

off the wall and just out there for every single

film. Mission accomplished so far. Yeah, we've

got drug paraphernalia in this. Done deal. Alice

in Wonderland's for potheads. Oh, goodness. Yeah.

Getting into the characters and the voice actors.

Let's see here. And again, I'm probably going

to throw this to Kevin because just going down

this list, I don't recognize any of these people

so far. Oh, you moron. Okay, well, Jimmy McDonald,

I recognize him because he was Jack and Cinderella

and Mel Blank. You should recognize Katherine

Beaumont because she was Alice in Alice in Wonderland

and Wendy Darling and Peter Pan. See, I think

back then when I was watching these films as

a kid, and you know, I'll be perfectly honest,

it's been about six months since I've seen this

movie. I haven't really watched it recently,

so I never really got to see the credits or anything.

That's why I don't really recognize a lot of

the names. Bill Thompson's one of my favorite

Disney voice actors. Besides doing Touche Turtle

back in the old 60s cartoons, he was the, well,

obviously the white rabbit in this. He was Mr.

Smee in Peter Pan, and he was King Hubert in

Sleeping Beauty. Is he a relative? He's also

five different characters in Lady and the Tramp.

Wow. So I mean, he's done a lot of Disney work.

Yeah. Some of the other pretty off the wall people.

Ed Wynn is the Mad Hatter. I mean, that's one

of his only roles that I know of, but he was

pretty good with that role. Cheshire Cat was

Sterling Holloway, who's a Disney god as far

as voice actors go. He was Winnie the Pooh and

the Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Ka, and

the Jungle Book, and three or four other characters

throughout Disney's lifespan. So he's done a

lot of stuff. Who else is in this movie? Was

he Hiss in Robin Hood? No. Sorry. And I know

why you're saying that, and we'll get into that

later. Verna Felton, who was the Queen of Hearts.

was also the fairy godmother in Cinderella, was

also Dumbo's mom in Dumbo, Winifred in the Jungle

Book, Aunt Sarah in Lady and the Tramp, and Flora

in Sleeping Beauty. Wow. So she is probably the

queen of Disney if Sterling Holloway is the king.

Let's see, the other one I want to bring up is

probably J. Pat O'Malley, who was minor roles

in this. He was the carpenter, the mother oyster,

the walrus in Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb. But

he was Colonel... I can never say that dang guy's

name. Colonel... Hattie or? Colonel Hattie, yeah.

Yeah, from the Jungle Book and the Buzzy the

Vulture from the Jungle Book. He was Jasper Badden

from 101 Dalmatians. He played six different

characters in Mary Poppins. He was in Robin Hood,

so he's done a whole lot of stuff, too. But this

cast is a virtual who's who of Disney voice actors.

I mean, also, Ravenscraft and Bill Lee, obviously

the famous singers that are in a lot of the Disney

movies. You said James McDonald. Just a very

good cast Yeah Dan, who is your favorite character

out of this film? Well, I've always enjoyed the

Mad Hatter I just enjoy the whole scene with

the Mad Hatter and the March Hare and everything

is always a memorable one. So I'm a big fan of

him. I've always liked the Cheshire Cat as well,

but I think it's because like I think of the

characters that are the most memorable and it's

always characters like the Mad Hatter. You know,

everybody knows the Mad Hatter and the Cheshire

Cat and stuff like that. I like, see, I don't

think I could pick a favorite, but I like...

I like Cheshire Cat, obviously. I like the Mad

Hatter and the March Hare because they play off

of each other so well. Yeah. The White Rabbit.

I actually like the Doorknob. The Doorknob was

funny. Yeah. This is a weird one for me because

I never liked the lead female in Disney movies,

hardly ever. But I really like Alice in this

one. Maybe it's because she's the most normal

out of the whole group. Yeah. I don't know, but

I really like Alice. The other character that

I think kind of goes unnoticed sometimes that

I really like is the Dormouse. Who's on the table

with the Mad Hatter and the March Hair and is

in the little... Oh yeah. Yeah. I like the Dormouse,

but I think Alice is probably my favorite. You

guys have a least favorite, Dan? Is there a character

in here that you just didn't care for at all?

No, I don't think I can pick anybody that I just

don't like I mean Maybe just there's a lot of

minor characters who don't get a lot of screen

time that maybe just don't matter a whole lot

I guess yeah You know, but I don't know if there's

anybody that I just straight dislike This is

actually one of the biggest cast of characters

in a Disney movie. Yes I mean, I don't have the

numbers in front of me, but I mean The 1624 there's

over like 30 characters almost in this and most

Disney movies don't have that many I think my

least favorite is the Queen of Hearts. I mean,

I realize that she's supposed to be not likable,

but I just really... Yeah, I really just couldn't

stand her. Really? Yeah, if I was going to pick

a least favorite, I would probably have to say

probably the Queen, but also... I found a lot

of the ancillary characters like the snooty flower

and the bird in the tree, just all the really

weird wacky characters. I didn't really care

for those. The only Disney classic movie that

has more characters than this one is 101 Dalmatians.

That's because it has 101 Dalmatians. Well, not

all of them have speaking roles. 101 Dalmatians

has around 40 speaking roles. Alice in Wonderland

has 30. All right, so getting into the behind

-the -scenes segment here a lot of the times

and I'll say I'll continue to say this to the

rest of the spotlight Rest of the tooncast episodes

that we cover on the behind -the -scenes stuff

a lot of writers and directors I don't really

recognize I recognize Bill Pete because Kevin

has mentioned him a few times I recognize Ted

Sears from something, but I don't remember what

What do we want to say about some of the writers

or if anything obviously Lewis Carroll gets me?

most of the credit for the writing as far as

being the stuff that they took everything off

of. Bill Pete and Ted Sears, I think are, I don't

know about Ted Sears 100%, but I'm pretty sure

they're both kind of just legendary old time

Disney writers. Most of the other writers I'm

not actually recognizing except for Joel Rinaldi

is ringing a bell with me for some reason. I

know there was a group that did a lot of these

Disney movies. I just can't remember which ones

did which. But you're right for the directors.

I never recognize any of the directors for these.

Directors for animated movies usually kind of

go unnoticed. Well, with the exception of Pixar.

But anyway, that's a whole other podcast. Thank

God. What do you mean, thank God? We don't want

to start any arguments between the two of us.

Yeah, let's not go there. Yeah, there's a very

strong differing opinions on the certain Pixar

films on certain Pixar films but We start getting

into that we'll both get pretty riled up, so

we'll avoid That at all What else to say about

the behind -the -scenes stuff Kevin You know

I mean It's interesting the stuff that they decided

to take from the book and the stuff they decided

to change or the stuff that they decided to just

come in completely out of left field with new

stuff. Like most of the stuff that was put out

by Disney when Walt Disney was still alive, he

was very much a TFG1 Mike Blanchard control freak.

He liked to be a part of every little aspect

of the movie and even after watching parts of

it, calling back and saying, ìNo, this doesnít

work .î Heís very much hands on, so this has

a lot of effects from that. Let's see, Disney

did not abandon the idea of making Alice feature

after the enormous success of Snow White and

the Seven Dwarfs, as Leonard Malton writes in

his history of Walt Disney film career. The Disney

films, Walt Disney officially recorded the title

Alice in Wonderland with the MPAA in 1938 as

the preparatory work began on this possible Alice

feature, the economic devastation of the Second

World War, as well as demands of the productions

of Pinocchio in 1940 and Fantasia in 1940. along

with Bambi in 42 pushed Alice's project aside.

After the war in 1945, Disney proposed a live

-action animated version of Alice in Wonderland

that would star Ginger Rogers and would utilize

the techniques seen in Disney's The Three Caballeros

in 1944. I don't think that would have worked.

It would have been a lot more probably like Mary

Poppins or Bedknobs and Broomsticks in that way

where I was kind of mixing the two and I'm kind

of glad it didn't work out. I mean, I like Mary

Poppins and Bedknobs and Broomsticks, but I don't

think it would have worked as well with this

movie. There's just too many animated characters

that you couldn't, I don't know. Would it be

one of those things where, like, just Alice was

going to be live action in an animated world

once she came into Wonderland? Yeah, I mean,

it's hard to tell. I mean, the reason it works

so much with Mary Poppins and Bedknobs and Broomsticks

is because 90 % of the movie is live action,

and they just kind of visit the animated world

a couple times. Right, right, yeah. But this

one, you have to be in the animated world the

whole time. Yeah. So I don't know how that would

really work. I don't know. Yes. So getting into

the actual show here, it's been a running gag

on Tooncast where I have Kevin give us like a

five minute plot. Alright, I'll try it. Without

making too many drug references. But basically

the whole story. starts out with Alice and her

older sister and her older sister is reading

and Alice is bored and kind of tired of being

there so she goes off wandering falls down into

a well and starts a series of trippy events starting

off with her in the room where she grows. humongous

and then goes tiny and changes size and deals

with the doorknob. Eventually she runs into,

after she gets out of that room, runs into Tweedledee

and Tweedledum, goes through that whole ordeal.

At some point the white rabbit comes along and

she starts chasing the white rabbit. Which takes

her into a variety of different things including

the Garden of Talking Flowers and songs and stuff

like that happen there. The hookah smoking caterpillar

she runs into. The nesting mother bird she runs

into. The Cheshire cat she runs into. And she

eventually ends up at the dinner table with the

Mad Hatter and the March Hare. But the biggest

kind of... climaxing, I guess, event is when

she runs into the playing cards and the Queen

of Hearts and that whole... I don't know if you

want to call it a cricket match or what exactly.

Pro -K. Pro -K. Whatever they were playing. To

the point where... Flamingos and Hedgehogs. Yeah,

Flamingos and Hedgehogs, and that was kind of

an interesting scene. Where's Sonic and Tails

when you really need them? Yeah. Eventually,

we come full circle. She ends up back with a

doorknob and... wakes up from her dream with

her sister and goes back to wherever they were

going back to her house or something to have

tea. So yeah. Wonderland minus a whole bunch

of trippy shit In that shell that's what a whole

lot of plot here folks No, there really wasn't

a whole bunch of crazy crap. That's it Yeah run

into a whole bunch of stuff with no necessary

the reason why you're running into it and it

has nothing to do with the plot It's like you

are actually tripping you don't know I don't

know what you're going to run into. You watch

the movie and you go, so this is what drugs feel

like. Yeah, this is why I've never done drugs,

because I've seen movies like this. I'm like,

I don't need to. Oh, wow. I know nothing's going

to make sense. I'm going to run into all these

different crazy things, and eventually I'm going

to come out of it and be back in normal land.

I think this is probably one of the only Disney

films that we'll cover in the rest of our spotlight

here on Tooncast where... You'll have drug references?

No. Where I don't mind the crazy non... just

not even having a plot. I mean, there really

is no plot. She's obsessed over finding out why

this rabbit is late and... It isn't even ever

said why he was running late. I mean it was to

meet the Queen really but I mean what was he

supposed to do for her? I just I don't get that.

You can't ask me important questions about Alice

in Wonderland. There's no actual answers. Inhale,

exhale, inhale, exhale. I mean basically though

if you're gonna go if you're gonna make a movie

that basically has no plot you might as well

go all out and be as crazy as you. possibly can

to try to cover up the fact that you have no

plot. Don't half -ass it, go all out, and that's

what they did. I just question the people that

came up with some of this stuff. So Kevin, what

was your favorite scene out of the movie? Oh,

good Lord. I think the first one where she's

growing into the gigantic and then changing size

by drinking the potion or whatever she was. doing

that's causing that. I really kind of like that

from the get -go, because you're immediately

thrown into this world where anything is possible

and it's kind of a little mysterious, a little

magical, fantasy -wise, and it really sets the

mood well. Besides the dinner table with the

March Hare and the Dormouse and Mad Hatter, that

was kind of a cool scene, but I really like just

that opening scene where she's growing gigantic.

uh... i was half -expecting and i know that they

were already set on the table but when she was

uh... growing and then getting shorter and smaller

and all that i was half -expecting some sort

of question block to pop up punch oh mushroom

grow i was expecting her to do something wrong

and the oompa loompas to carry her off oh there

you go yeah Let's just get all the drug movies

together. They're practically the same thing,

right? It's all the same stuff. They should do

a mix of these two movies. No, they shouldn't.

Never mind. Willy Wonka and Wonderland? Yeah,

forget the chocolate land. Wow. You could have

had a river of chocolate going through there

and Alice jumped across. That was on the beach

or something. I I don't think when I When I conceived

this podcast, I don't think I would ever expect

anyone to make that kind of reference Yeah, it's

like shock beyond shock now Like to cast has

become your shock value podcast. That's right

There's a reason that's the most listened to

podcast we have. Yeah, exactly. I think my favorite

scene honestly was with the playing cards. I

thought that was really funny. Yeah, that was

a pretty good scene. Was it the one where they

were painting the roses? Yeah, the one where

they were painting the roses and then they all

end up doing the whole domino effect. Yeah. Yeah,

that's that's about one of my favorite scenes

to that whole part right there at the painting

the roses red and leading into the the croquet

with the Flamingos and the hedgehogs and it was

a great use of the The mellow man or the the

singers with throw Ravens craft or Ravens craft

and the other couple people that was really good

Yeah, that was really awesome. Because sometimes

he's just in the singing background and he doesn't

actually get like a character sometimes. Yeah.

You know, it's kind of cool seeing him. And you

could tell obviously exactly which one he is

since he's the deep voiced one, the ace I believe.

But yeah, that scene was pretty cool. What about

you, Dan? What's your favorite scene? It's the

same kind of stuff like the the painting of roses

red and all the cards and everything I love all

that whole thing and the croquet the croquet

with the flamingos and and everything always

that just cracks me up I don't know why I think

that's so funny, but I love that I like that

a lot more now than I used to I think when I

was a kid I I hated that scene for some reason

I don't know why I don't know if it's cuz I hated

the Queen of Hearts or Maybe it was the animal

abuse you felt bad for him. I was like wait a

second. She's cheating that dirty queen what's

but the flamingo that alice had was hilarious

oh yeah yeah for sure that flamingo was smoking

something just go limp just like yeah i actually

really enjoyed the hedgehogs because they're

like she's like she hit it and the hedgehog is

like oh i better go but i better go the other

way oh yeah yeah It's just fun how scared everybody

was and intimidated by the Queen of Hearts. You

don't want to lose their heads. Yeah, even the

King was like a little diminutive piece of that.

Yeah. I don't know. I just like those scenes

a little bit better than the one... The scenes

that seemed weird to me was like the... After

she meets Tweedledee and Tweedledum and they

go through that whole the walrus and the carpenter

thing. Yeah, that was too strange for me. I was

lost kind of during that Oh, yeah, that is yeah,

I've that's always it's such a forgettable scene

to me, too Yeah, I totally forget about the walrus

and the carpenter. I say what was the point of

that? That's a way too long Exactly. So Kevin,

why don't you get into some trivia for us? Alrighty

then, Alice in Wonderland is the first Disney

animated feature in which the voice talent was

actually credited on screen with the actual characters

they played, which is always something that I

enjoy. It makes it a lot easier to tell who does

voices. They didn't do that again until the Jungle

Book in 1967, so I don't know what their reasoning

was behind that, but there's trivia for you.

Let's see. In the Walsh and the Carpenter sequence,

the R in the word March on the Mother Oyster's

calendar flashes. This alludes to the old adage

about only eating oysters in a month with an

R in its name. That is because those months without

an R, May, June, July, and August are the summer

months in England when oysters would not keep

due to the heat. I have no idea why I said that

bit of trivia, but for those of you that find

that interesting, you got some problems. The

doorknob was the only real character in the film

that did not appear in any of Lewis Carroll's

books, so that was a complete Disney creation.

This was the first Disney theatrical film to

be shown on television in 1954. It was shown

as the second installment of the Walt Disney's

Wonderful World of Color TV show, and it was

edited to fit into a one -hour time slot. So

if it wasn't weird before... Yeah, no kidding.

Unless they just took out the Walsh and Carpenter

sequence and that made it only an hour, I don't

know. Okay, I don't know. Anybody watching that

really had no idea what was going on. What is

this about? That had to be a quick trip. This

is the only Disney feature -length cartoon film

to have its first theatrical re -release after

it had already been shown on television. So it

was released the first time, then it was shown

on television, and then it went re -released

on theater. Early drafts of the script had Alice

encounter the Jabberwock, who was supposed to

be voiced by Stan Freeberg from Lewis Carroll's

poem Jabberwocky. But the sequence was rejected

because it slowed the story down, and there were

concerns that it would be too frightening. Really?

They're really concerned about what was gonna

be frightening in this movie Wow Lewis Carroll

wrote the riddle why is a raven like a writing

desk as nonsense it has no answer So even though

people for decades have been trying to figure

out the answer to that there is no answer people

The film was a box office flop when first released.

Several years later it became the Disney Studios

most requested 16mm film rental though for colleges

and private individuals. That's kind of interesting.

First feature film for which Walt Disney was

able to use television for cross promotion. So

Disney's very first television program One Hour

in Wonderland which was broadcast on Christmas

evening of 1950 was devoted to the production

of this film. So the entire program basically

included clips and promoting the movie. So back

in the days before, movies were actually promoted

on TV. Let's see, in the Walsh and the Carpenter

sequence, the dates on the calendar are the same

as they would be in March 2010, when Disney would

release Alice in Wonderland, directed by Tim

Burton. Oh, weird. Crazy coincidence. Yeah. And

of course, like most Disney films of the olden

days, there is a hidden Mickey. In the scene

where Alice grows and gets stuck in the White

Rabbit's house, if you look closely at the dodo

bird's flame as he lights his pipe, there is

a hidden Mickey Mouse flickering in the flame.

Excellent. So there we go. And the last one.

During a break in the recording sessions, Ed

Wynn ad -libbed the speech where the Mad Hatter

tries to fix the White Rabbit's watch. Walt Disney,

who was listening in a nearby sound booth, saw

that the recording tape was still recording Wynn's

speech. He told the sound technicians, hey, that

stuff's pretty funny. Why don't you use that

speech in the movie? The sound man objected,

we can't use that speech. There are too many

background noises on the tape. Disney smiled

and told them, that's your problem, then walked

out of the room. With much labor, the sound technicians

managed to erase all the background noises from

the recording tape so that Edwin's ad -libs could

be used in the film. So that's all I got for

trivia. Now that you bring that piece of trivia

up, that was another funny scene I liked with

the White Rabbit's watch. That was kind of cool.

There's so many little good parts. I mean, there's

some parts that are completely forgettable and

just get lost in the... Chaos, but there's a

lot of good parts that you can you almost either

forget or you have to rewatch and be like, oh,

yeah I remember that part. Yeah, exactly So moving

into the music segment here, the film soundtrack

was first released on LP record Oh, wow, a lot

of people aren't gonna know what the hell an

LP is in July 28 1951 the soundtrack was a re

-released on audio CD by Walt Disney Records

on February 3rd 1998 These songs in the film

include Alice in Wonderland, In a World of My

Own, I'm Late, The Sailor's Hornpipe, The Cactus

Race. I don't... Wow. Yeah. These are some really

trippy songs now. Well, the music for Alice in

Wonderland, it's not like any other Disney film

to me. Besides the Unbirthday song and maybe

parts of I'm Late, I don't know. Yeah, they're

almost like they're not really they don't really

break out of the full songs in that movie a lot

of the time runs into characters who are just

singing or it's like you know mid They just kind

of hum and sing as things move along right like

when she runs into the painting the roses red

Yeah, we're painting the roses That's probably

my favorite song actually. Yeah, I know that's

great Yeah, but this this isn't like one of those

Disney films that just has this standout like

It's not like a brand new world Right or even

some of the older ones like we've talked about

in the last couple episodes with where Jiminy

Cricket's singing and Pinocchio Pinocchio or

what was the one we just did Cinderella Yeah,

like where they have the I got it. Can't even

remember the Song from Cinderella now. I'm gonna

retard dreams come true. Yes. Yes, you know where

it has that just that memorable like Number one

like leading song this one. They're all kind

of similar They're not bad. I'm looking at the

list, too, and there's a lot of them that I can't

even really remember. And then there's a lot

of them that I forgot about until I actually

see the names. But there was a lot of them that

I do remember and actually really like, because

we were the Painting the Roses Red. For some

reason, that's one of those songs that'll just

pop into my head every now and then. And I'll

just be like, all right, all right, here we go,

painting the roses red. Everyone's like, what

are you talking about? My wife will be like,

what? Why are you singing that? Don't worry about

it. Or like the the whistle that they kind of

do when they're marching along, you know, yeah

That's one of those things that when you think

about it that's stuck in your head forever and

you're doing that for no reason Yeah, they're

catchy songs. They're catchy songs. They're just

like they're not bad But then like none of them

are just like out of this world great, right?

Yeah, exactly They're all kind of on the same

level of just above average catchy songs But

yeah, I don't know I I think I I'm trying to

remember any of them besides the unbirthday song

and I Do remember the flowers singing are you

The flowers annoyed me when they were singing

for oh, yeah, see I never really liked the flower

song. Yeah, not at all But it's stupid because

it's one of those ones I always think about when

I think about the movie. But I relate that back

to that Singalong Songs tape that I had as a

kid that had that on there. Yeah, that's probably

the second scene after the walrus scene, the

walrus and the carpenter, the flower scene almost

I could have done without. Yeah, for sure. Maybe

they cut that out of the hour show too. And of

course there was songs written for the film that

that weren't used as there has been in almost

every Disney movie that you get a rendition of

it in a future DVD release I don't know if it

was a song or what but Jim Cummings recorded

something for the DVD as the Cheshire Cat And

I think it was the I'm odd song That was not

used in the original film, but I know Jim Cummings

is voicing the Cheshire Cat on the DVD at some

point Oh, wow cool, so they do that occasionally.

I know about Lion King did that where another

singer came in and sang one of Simba's songs

For the DVD release that wasn't in the movie.

I know they've done that for the morning report

Yeah, which is yeah the person that does that

sounds nothing like Simba But Disney's done that

a lot of times which is kind of a cool little

thing. Beware the Jabberwocky. They should have

left the Jabberwock in the movie. I never read

the original book, so I didn't actually know

anything about the Jabberwocky or the Jabberwock

until the Tim Burton one recently. Yeah, I refuse

to watch any of Tim Burton's remakes. What? Well,

you know, this one's not a remake. It's like

a... continuation of the story. She goes back

to Wonderland. I've watched part of it because

Johnny Depp's in it and he balances out the Tim

Burton aspect of it. Not to me, because Tim Burton

uses him like a friggin' puppet in every single

film. Anytime there's a Tim Burton film, fuckin'

Johnny Depp has to show up. I know, but he's

good. Well, I'm not saying he's not good, I'm

just saying it seems like every single Tim...

I mean, hell, thank God. So why is that a problem?

If he's good, then you should be all like, yeah,

I'll watch this movie, because Johnny Depp's

in it. Well, the problem is, it's like every

single film Tim Burton has done almost, with

the exception of a few, Johnny Depp is in them,

and it's like, wow, thank God, level our heads

prevailed when they were casting Batman, and

they went with Michael Keaton. Can you imagine

Johnny Depp as fucking Batman? I don't think

so. Well, every George Lucas film has had Harrison

Ford in it. How many films has George Lucas directed?

Seven or eight? Seven or eight? More like six.

All the Indiana Jones, all the Star Wars, the

American Graffiti. Wait, weren't those Spielberg

films though? Oh, but George Lucas was involved.

He was involved, but he wasn't physically directing

them. I'm just saying, there's a lot of people

like that. Scorsese and DiCaprio or whoever,

I think that's a combination. Is it Scorsese

that does DiCaprio or is it another truck? I

think so, I'm not sure. That happens a lot where

someone gets kind of their favorite little actor.

I'm not a big Tim Burton fan, but Johnny Depp

makes it watchable. I actually like that version

of the movie. I thought it was pretty cool. Yeah,

a lot of people copy that guy. Yeah It introduced

a whole new generation to the story basically

Yeah, I guess I Prefer the animated version because

you really have to be smoking some weed to watch

that Tim Burton version It's just as crazy. Come

on If there was ever a story that suited itself

for Tim Burton, it seems like Alice in Wonderland

would be one of them. Oh, that's funny. All right,

so getting into the legacy segment. Apparently,

there's a lot of legacy information here. Where

do we want to start with this, Kevin? Oh, Jesus.

I don't know. I always like starting with the

Rotten Tomatoes. They gave an overall rating

of the film as 81 % fresh, which is pretty good

for Rotten Tomatoes. Well, yeah, but I mean a

lot of animated films, I think you've said this

before, a lot of animated films don't get really,

really bad reviews or really, really bad percentages

on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, but 81 % is pretty

good no matter what it is. Well, true. You don't

see a lot of Rotten Tomatoes stuff above the

80 % mark. Yeah. The Motion Picture received

an Academy Award nomination for best scoring

of a musical picture, but it lost to an American

in Paris. I've never seen that movie. I have

no idea what that is. So boo, I call shenanigan.

I was going to say the only American in Paris

I really remember is the werewolf. Yeah. Of course

it's been released a multitude of times on VHS

and DVD. Yes. The best version to get, if you

can still find it, if it isn't already back in

the Disney vault, is the two disc special unanniversary

edition, which came out on March 30th of this

year when that crappy live -action film was released

as well. Come on now. But if you have a Blu -ray

player, wait a couple months because in February

of next year it'll be released for the 60th anniversary.

Oh, really? Blu -ray DVD combo February 1st.

Ah, then I will wait. I have not picked it up

on DVD yet. Yeah, I have not either, so. Let's

see. Doo doo doo. Stage version? Yeah, sure.

Why not? It's been condensed, oh my god, into

a one act stage version. This is a TV show all

over again. Entitled Alice in Wonderland Junior.

Oh my god. It is solely meant for middle and

high school productions. It includes a majority

of the songs. Don't even know if I can continue.

Yeah, let's move on because I was a dare kid

you better but seriously Why do we want to expose

middle school and high school kids to a condensed

version of Alice in Wonderland Tell them not

to do drugs Apparently it was referenced in a

bunch of other Disney films. The most notable

ones I recognize out of here is a lot of the

House of Mouse cartoons like Mickey's House of

Villains and Mickey's Magical Christmas snowed

in at the House of Mouse, Bonkers, Who Framed

Roger Rabbit. Donald and Math and Magicland,

dude. That is one of my favorite classic Disney

cartoons. I had that on VHS as a kid and I think

I watched that thing over and over again. Math

is evil. Yeah, I mean, the whole thing was like

a math lesson, but it was, you know, Donald went

into Math -O -Magic land, which was the version

of Wonderland in that, and they did. They referenced

Alice in Wonderland quite a bit throughout that.

Oh my god. Nice. Yeah. And in Aladdin and the

King of Thieves, the genie turns into a white

rabbit. Yup. Yeah. There were actually video

games for it, surprisingly. Video game version

of the film was released on Game Boy Color by

Nintendo of America on October 4th, 2000 in North

America. Additionally, the video games Kingdom

Hearts and Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories.

And Kingdom Hearts 2 and Kingdom Hearts 3. Yeah,

pretty much all of the Kingdom Hearts games.

Disney's villains revenge the Queen of Hearts

makes an appearance. Yeah, she tries to cut off

Alice's head and Toy Story 3 the video game Mad

Hatter's hat is one of the hats you can have

the townsfolk wear There's a lot of video games

these days that are just paying homage to all

the Disney stuff I I mean, I know we're not doing

video game like a total video game talk but I

mean, you know every time I would since we're

doing these Disney films and I see that It's

made some sort of appearance in Kingdom Hearts

games. I love the Kingdom Hearts games, and I'm

not a fan of Final Fantasy that much. I didn't

grow up on playing that game or that series.

But I started a couple years ago, I had found

Kingdom Hearts, and I absolutely love those games.

I have never played them. Yeah, that's kind of

my problem too, is I own the first Kingdom Hearts

game and I played halfway through it and I've

never picked it up since. I liked it a lot and

I really wanna play it. It's just one of those

things where I have a hard time keeping up with

video games. There's so many of them and they

come out so often and I'm doing so much other

stuff. I haven't had time for video games for

a long time, but just in looking at some of the

stuff we have at VTVA, because we have sound

clips from most of the Disney characters from

the Kingdom Hearts and I was watching some of

the cut scenes to try to grab stuff and I'm like,

this looks pretty interesting or pretty cool.

If I was into video games, I would give it a

shot. That's like I want to play epic Mickey

really bad Mickey looks epic. Yeah for sure It

looks super cool Yes, so We're gonna go to some

commercials some ads and whatever else. I'm not

really sure exactly there We're gonna get a dare

ad a dare commercial Actually, that's not a bad

idea. So we can bounce ourselves out. Yeah, exactly.

That's probably not a bad idea. I'll have to

see if I can find one of those on YouTube. I'll

probably have Steve put in Singing the Roses

Redder, some fairly good song from the film.

So yes, that'll be coming up next. some of my

comments on Alice in Wonderland. So first off

I have to say this film was definitely one of

the more interesting ones that I watched growing

up and realistically it was just the most trippiest

movie I've ever seen. Now when I was little you

know I didn't know anything about drugs or any

of that stuff but Even when I was little, I knew

there was something just odd about this film.

Now, the book was trippy and to see it in animation

form was even weirder. I mean, you got Alice

eating cookies that make her gigantic and drinking

a bottle that makes her shrink and then, you

know, even when she falls down the rabbit hole,

that is just... Wow, I can't even really describe

that. The film itself I thought was, it was pretty

well done and I did enjoy watching it. It had

a really interesting story and it had interesting

characters. I mean, to be honest with you, Alice

wasn't my favorite character. My favorite character

really in Alice in Wonderland was... the Queen.

I loved her. I don't know why, but I thought

it was hilarious where she would be like, off

with your head! That was just one of the more

memorable things for me and that's kind of why

I like the Queen of Hearts. Overall, this film

was just, it was awesome and I loved it and I

still love it to this day. Yeah, I know it's

supposed to be a kids movie and it had a lot

of drug references, but it was just awesome.

If you have never watched this film, I really

suggest you go out and watch it or go on YouTube

or whatever because honestly, it rocked and it's

a classic. That's all I'm going to say on that.

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So, final thoughts on the drugiest movie in Disney

history. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Alice in Wonderland,

Kevin, why don't you give your final thoughts?

Um, you know, this is one, like I said, I wasn't

a big fan of it when I was a kid. This definitely

was... one of my least favorite Disney movies

growing up. It's kind of grown on me a little

bit the more I've watched it and the more I've

understood it, I guess, if you can understand

it. Or at least discovered the ability to just

suspend reality and just go with it. It has a

lot of great moments. It has a lot of cool moments.

Like I said, I don't know how they got away with

all of it, but it's cool that they did. I think

it's definitely the most unique Disney movie

we've ever had. Yeah, I would agree. What about

you, Dan? Unique is probably the best word to

describe this particular movie. Just like Kevin,

it's one of those movies that I think I've come

to appreciate more as I've grown older, you know,

because as a kid... I don't have any strong memories

of really sitting down and watching this movie

a lot or loving this movie or anything. I always

remember bits and pieces of it. There's a lot

of unforgettable moments in the movie like we

talked about, like to this day I still can't

remember very, you know, very thoroughly. I can't

remember the scene with the walrus and the carpenter.

I mean, it's not, it doesn't stand out in my

mind, but there's plenty of other scenes in the

movie that do stand out and there's a lot of

songs in there that I still really, really like,

like the painting the roses red and the Marianne

birthday and all that kind of stuff. Those scenes

are awesome, and they're some of my favorite

Disney scenes that I can think of out of all

the Disney movies. They're just some of the most

iconic. Right, yeah. Yeah, I would have to agree.

This is not one that I really remember watching

as a kid. I remember watching it, but I have

a specific memory for Robin Hood. I don't have

a specific memory of watching this film. Yeah.

So Dan, what's going on over at Pop Culture?

What have you guys been up to? What have you

got going on coming up? Oh, lots of cool stuff.

Well, the cool thing about popculturenetwork

.com is we've got new stuff hitting the site

every day and we keep getting more and more cool

new exclusive content pieces on there. So if

anybody out there is a fan of toys along with

cartoons, which I know most of us are, right?

They kind of go hand in hand. Exactly. So there's

plenty of great toy content over on the site.

So you guys can check out popculturenetwork .com

every day. There's a brand new video. We've got

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check it out. Yes, so oh really quick. I wanted

to bring up the the iTunes reviews before I forget

about them. Holy crap. Oh Yeah, we need everybody

to review the druggy episode Oh, believe me.

I'm sure we'll get another iTunes review Just

based on this episode alone. Oh, God. I'm actually

only gonna read one of the iTunes reviews for

Tooncast, one of the newer ones, because the

other new one is basically just a response to

the... To the one that pretty much made an ass

of himself, because he doesn't know what the

hell he's talking about. Whoa, called him out.

If he's going to present false facts about our

site and our way we do things, well apparently

maybe we're not getting the iTunes reviews because

iTunes says I can't search for the thing. What

the hell? You unprepared bastard. I was gonna

say, you got us all on the edge of our seats

waiting for this review. Yeah, I know, I know,

and iTunes is just being a complete... You fail.

Yeah, I know. Do you want me to read it instead?

Do you have it pulled up? Yeah. The one by Barbie

Girl 213 or whatever? Yeah. Okay, yeah. We got

a review from Barbie Girl 213 on December 5th.

She says, so glad I found this podcast. I've

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it's my favorite of all the geeky podcasts I

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that wasn't so much of a train wreck. Not at

all. Thought that went pretty smooth. Yeah. Thank

you.