Cinderella and the Sequels Review

I don't know what to say, the monkeys won't do!

And I also don't know what to say about those

crazy producers from the Geek Cop Radio Network!

They're driving me crazy! So, before we get into

Tooncast episode 82, Kevin and I... Excuse me,

I'm choking here because I'm so pissed off at

this point. Kevin and I are fairly angry. I messaged

him earlier today. We're recording this Sunday

December 5th and I Frequently check the iTunes

reviews for the different shows here at geek

cast radio network, you know I frequently check

them I don't know maybe once or twice every two

weeks Yeah, although we did just learn that we

can't seek Canadian feedback No, I knew that

okay. I did not know I've I've known that you

cannot see Because iTunes is region -coded to

whatever country, it's country -coded to whatever

country you live in, you're not going to be able

to see reviews from any other country other than

the one that you're coded as. If you leave us

feedback and you're in Canada, send us a message

so we can find somebody that can read it for

us. I found a way around that, but as far as

someone who can inform us on it. So yeah, I checked

the iTunes reviews for Tooncast because I thought

of it for once because normally I Once we get

to the outro of the show like oh leave his reviews

in iTunes and like oh crap. I forgot the iTunes

feedback So I looked at it today and we have

a new review for Tooncast in iTunes I will I

we got to preface this. No, no, no, we're not

promising anything because no I just want to

say like Tooncast does get I think almost the

most reviews out of all Almost all the gcrn shows

so we're not it's not like it's a foreign thing

for us to get reviews, right? So, you know, we

we do get more than just the occasional one,

but yes And i'm not pissed i'm i'm i'm actually

uh, no, i'm i'm humored i'm humored i'm fucking

humored I want to rip this guy's nuts off. Well,

that's kind of explicit Wait a second. He'll

have a problem with that You're pervert No, no,

no, no, not not in a perverted way. I want to

literally Perform a Lorena Bobbitt on his ass.

Well, he'll say that's perverted. Waltmanxp or

Waltmanxp or whatever the hell his name is. Waltmanxp.

Whatever. The title of the review is Painfully

Ignorant and it gets one star. I heard a few

episodes like Titan AE or Richie Rich Gem Pinocchio.

What I was expecting to hear was cartoon nostalgia

from the 80s and 90s with interviews from the

people who produced the cartoons, maybe even

inviting Jerry back on for a Q &A, at least inviting

someone who has any knowledge in cartoon animation.

But instead, what I hear was a bunch of foul

-mouthed perverts talking about cartoons they

grew up with, which is probably why writers and

producers won't come on their podcast. It's indisputably

obvious that the GeekCast guys are clueless in

the subject of children's literature. And review

of Pinocchio proves that. You can get all the

cartoon information you need from Wikipedia without

the explicit language, porn reference, or ignorance.

Now, hold on. I'm sorry, I'm laughing. Hold on.

Stop laughing. Hold on. When I read this, my

whole face, my whole face, my whole upper body,

my arms, hands, everything, my eyes probably

went fucking red. Oh, I thought I was going to

turn green. I was going to, I was literally ready

to jump through my monitor and my fat ass probably

wouldn't have fits her up, but I was ready to

jump through my monitor and kill this guy. Now

first of all, before we start ranting. Hold on,

I know, I know, you want to clarify, hold on.

First of all, you are wrong, Walt, whatever the

fuck your name is, because we have had writers

on the show we are not on this show specifically

but we we've had writers on the cast radio podcast

we've had voice actors on the cash radio podcast

we don't have them in the show because the show

would be way too long if we include that as part

of the episode we include interviews specific

to what podcasts you know specific to what what

topic they are their own show exactly and they

are their own episode We have interviews from

such voice actors as David Kaye, David Soboloff,

Gary Chalk, Ian James Corlett, Larry Kenney,

the voice of fucking Lionel. Hello, dumbass.

Maurice LaMarche, Tara Strong, Rob Paulson. Happy

birthday, Kevin. We have writers such as Christy

Marks, David Wise, Jim Sorensen, Larry DiTillio,

and Robert N. Skeer. So apparently they won't

come on our show and give us interviews. Yeah,

exactly, really. Those must all be pretend people.

Isn't that the truth? Although they do the voices

really well. Oh, yeah. It's just Steve. He mimics

everybody. I guess it's Steve mimicking everybody,

and he also knows the inside scoop from the writers

so he can pretend to be them. Exactly, yeah.

And as far as your other comment in your review,

you asshat. Oh, somebody else got called asshat

besides me. This is not fucking children's literature.

This is cartoon reviews. We don't not know stuff

about children's literature, but that's not what

these shows are about. These shows are, notice

the name of the podcast, Tooncast. We are talking

about cartoons. We specifically are not talking

about books or any type of other literature form

that came before the movies, came after. We briefly

sometimes mentioned that there was comic books

about the series, et cetera, but we're not talking

about that. We're talking about the animated

product. That's it. So you have no knowledge

of what our knowledge is of children's literature,

because we never talk about it, because that's

not what this podcast is about. I don't know

why you thought that's what you were going to

get, but you're out of your freaking mind. He

does have one good point, and maybe we could

do this down the line. He said something about

getting Jerry Beck on for a Q &A or whatever.

I would love to have Mr. Beck on. Jerry Beck

is the Looney Tunes and old Golden Age historian.

uh... that works i believe he works either is

currently working for the brothers or it has

worked for more brothers in the past so you know

i would love to talk to mister back but it's

not really trying to get more people to interview

that's why i have an interview at least almost

every month it seems like yeah exactly i mean

you know i i i shoot for interviews at different

times because i want to tie into whatever upcoming

episode or episode that just passed right obviously

the rob boston interview was a year and a half

in the making but you know this is what you know

you you title you titled it your review uh...

painfully ignorant i guarantee that you had never

gone to get castradio's website he got in there

dot com yet he gets rid of dot com you'd never

went there you never saw any of the other types

of podcast we have you never saw the whole interview

tab so who's the ignorant one year Mean the only

ignorant one here is the person that wrote the

review because he just listened to a few things

on on iTunes Failed to hear us mention stuff

about the website or this or that so you're the

ignorant one I don't know what you were expecting

to hear Excuse me, but the podcast is labeled

explicit. So yes, occasionally we're gonna cuss

because we're not little kids This is not for

little kids. This is for people that grew up

in the 80s. Guess what? All those people are

adults now They can handle cursing and if they

don't want it they can see the explicit tag and

not listen to our podcast So you're just a freaking

moron. Now. I don't want this to seem like we

can't Take feedback or we're shunning people

that want to give us constructive criticism.

If you want, you know, if you find a few things

wrong with our show or if you think we could

improve this way or that way, you can leave us

feedback and give us constructive criticism,

but don't say things that just aren't true. Like

we can't get writers on our show when we've interviewed

a half a dozen of them in the last year. And

I've talked to Stan Bush multiple times. Well,

no, I mean, I'm just saying, like, I have a personal

email relationship and personal relationship

as far as talking with the guy with Stan Bush

for two years now. Yeah, and I've talked personally

with so many voice actors in the last year that

not necessarily that we've interviewed, but through

email, through different correspondents for my

other website. I mean, we're not... Retarded

when it comes to voice acting animation and cartoons

exactly. We may not be geniuses when it comes

to literature That's why we didn't make a podcast

about children's literature You know what the

sad thing is? It's not sad that you did this

but it's sad that you pointed out all this stuff

to me like his YouTube channel and his myspace

page I looked at his myspace page. This guy is

32 fucking years old Yeah That's why I had to

check because it sounded like it was a freaking

10 -year -old that wrote this review. Yeah. So

I just wanted to see how old he was, but apparently,

I don't know. I don't know why you were expecting

something different. I don't know why you made

comments about stuff you don't know, but your

review was pointless and you're an idiot. But

please, other people out there that are listening,

do leave us feedback, whether it's positive,

constructive criticism, whatever. Just don't

make an ass out of yourself. And I will mention

this throughout the rest of Tooncast's lifespan.

If you guys want us to respond to feedback between

now and June 1st, 2011, you better get those

reviews or emails in because once episode...

Call the voicemail line. Yeah, call the voicemail

line, 502 -526 -5821. Once episode 100 airs,

there won't be any more feedback response for

Tooncast. The show is shutting. One other thing

too, I assume he's calling us perverted because

of the Pinocchio episode, but just FYI, we did

receive great comments about the Pinocchio episode

through our Facebook page and people that thought

it was absolutely hilarious and stuff like that,

so you can have your opinion about the pervertedness

or about that. That's a valid comment, whatever,

but you're in the minority apparently with that

opinion. Yeah, you know that's fine if it's stuff

like that if you're worried about if you think

we made too many perverted Remarks or if you

think we have a wrong opinion about a show or

whatever you like like our super fan Kevin He

calls in the voicemail all the time and leaves

us he left us constructive criticism on one show

that he disagreed with us And we didn't shun

him for it, but at least he knew what he was

talking about yeah, exactly And just to give

you guys a point case in point here on the Pinocchio

stuff Robin Was the first commenter on the poke

Pinocchio poke Oh God Don't don't make it I know

I know Pinocchio post that I've made on the Facebook

fan page Listen to this on my way home from work

It's such a relief to know that I wasn't the

only one to be perturbed by the movie and then

Kevin commented back Glad you didn't think my

ranting was too out of line And then I said your

ranting what about my porn references? And then

Robin replies, haha, the ranting made me legit

lol, you guys are a crack up. And comparing Pinocchio's

nose to Ron Jeremy, I'm no expert on his films,

but I don't recall Ron Jeremy having branches

in Bird's Nest anywhere near his junk. Someone

that can actually appreciate what we're doing

here. Someone that can actually know what the

hell humor is. You know, honestly, when we do

these shows, when I do these shows now, and I've

said this before, I am the type of person now

that just in general, when I record the show,

because not that I'm aiming for, you know, most

extreme explicitness, but I'm just to the point

now where I don't really give a fuck. I honestly

don't. I'm sorry if that comes off blunt or arrogant.

When I sit down to record a show, I no longer

watch every single thing that I say and I go

for the funny. Yes. And I don't cuss in real

life, really. I mean, to be perfectly honest,

I mean, my friends know this about me. I'm not

someone that cusses ever. But when I'm doing

a podcast, I feel like it's the environment and

the atmosphere that I can let loose and do whatever.

I don't think I even cuss that much in the show

until I get really pissed off about a show or

a movie or whatever, but I definitely don't think

I'm a pervert. I don't think any of us were perverts

by making one or two porn references in a Pinocchio

show. Good Lord, dude. Get a grip. Yeah, seriously.

What the hell? It's not like we're talking about

sex every single podcast episode, because we

never have. No, we never have. Probably never

will. So whatever, dude. You're a moron. Yeah.

So anyways, this has been our rant on the iTunes

rancher. And now we're going to get into episode

82, which is our Cinderella franchise coverage.

Yay. And we'll try not to make any porn references.

I highly doubt that that will not most likely

happen. Now that you brought that up, I'm going

to make one every freaking hour. So on to Tooncast

episode 82. Hi! You're listening to Tooncast!

and a bunch of mischievous mice. Then put them

together and what have you got? Take a look at

that! It's Walt Disney's classic Cinderella.

It's such a surprise. It's the love story to

end all love stories. A wonderful dream come

true. But that's just the beginning of the fun.

The music. the magic, and the excitement. On

the stroke of 12, the spell will be broken. Wait!

Please wait! Walt Disney Pictures proudly presents

a motion picture whose time has come again. And

it's coming for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Because

even miracles take a little time. exclusively

in theaters. Walt Disney's classic, Cinderella.

Hello and welcome to the 82nd episode of Tooncast

brought to you by the Geekcast Radio Network.

I am your host, Dave Jones -Mike, and today I'm

joined once again by Kevin Optimus Solo Thompson.

Hello. Hello. And making her second GeekCast

Radio Network appearance is Tara, aka Risingstar.

Hello. Hey. How's it going? I'm good, thank you.

How are you? Pretty good. Why don't you tell

the Tooncast listeners about yourself? Well,

I am a broadcasting and film student at Centennial

College. Just want to give a quick little shout

out to all my friends at Centennial in Toronto,

Ontario. And I'm a huge lover of light cartoons.

I'm obsessed with them. I love them. And she

loves my website. Yes. Lovebehindthevoiceactors

.com. Go check it out. Yes. And just to preface

this whole episode, I am coming with you from

like the fifth dimension today. Because I don't

know how... I'm not going to talk about that.

I don't know how or why, but I'm somehow able

to record tonight even though I have no internet

service. Wow. That is impressive. I just had

a really, really weird thought. Don't get us

in trouble. No, no, no. Have you guys ever seen

Superman the Animated Series mix his piddalick

episode? Not that episode, but I think I know

what you're talking about. Yeah, Kevin's in the

fifth dimension. That's all I'm gonna say. He's

basically mix his piddalick, so... Can I say

that again? No. Today we're going to be going

back into the Disney Vault and talking about

the entire Cinderella franchise. No comment We

have to preface this because we've had I'm in

the mood to preface things today But we've had

this this theme going throughout the entire tooncast

life basically where Mike and I argue about sequels

to animated movies and My opinion has been since

the first time it came up, which I have no idea

what episode that was that I am anti animated

sequels and he said that I was going to be forced

and I basically told him I would never watch

animated sequels and give him a chance and he

said well you're gonna have to when we do the

Disney spotlight blah blah blah and he said that

you know I had to watch all the sequels starting

with whatever movie was the first Disney movie

that had sequels so I've been breaking my rule

and watching animated sequels. You'll be alright.

I guess I survived. It's not gonna kill you.

I guess. there are worse things that can kill

you yes i suppose You might lose an hour or two

of your life that you won't get back. Luckily

I've decided that I can justify every time I

watch a movie I haven't watched because I just

can screen cap all the characters and add the

title to BehindTheVoiceActors .com so I'm killing

two birds with one stone. And you guys can all

go there because all three Cinderella movies

are at BehindTheVoiceActors .com full of cast

of characters, voice actors and everything. I

did that just for Mike this week. So why don't

we start with Cinderella and Kevin can give us

the history - oh wait, Kevin can't give us the

history list. Yes I can. Shit. Can you really?

Yeah. Alright, well I figured you didn't have

internet so I figured you couldn't get the script.

Dude, you remember the This Week in Geek Jedi

war battle that I had, right? I think through

that I gained some type of special Jedi power

so I can do anything. American animated film

produced by none other than Walt Disney and it's

based on the fairy tale Cinderella by Charles

Peralt. I have no idea if I said that right.

It is number 12 in the lineup for Walt Disney

animated classic movies and it was first released

February 15, 1950 by RKO Radio Pictures who had

done basically most of the Disney movies up to

this point. Mike, what do you remember back in

1950 from Cinderella? Uh -huh. Smartass. Dumbass.

Anyway. Just saying, yes it is. Shut up, asshat.

Okay. Actually, this and one other film that

we're going to be covering in the Disney Spotlight

this time around actually were my first Disney

VHSs back in the day. My uncle Richard had gotten

me Lady and the Tramp and Cinderella on the special,

I don't know if it's a special edition, but they

had the special packaging stuff, the special

foldover. I remember that. It wasn't a regular

VHS cassette case. Yeah, we get the point. I

don't know. I liked this movie as a kid. It was

okay. It was kind of silly. I don't know. Yeah,

it was kind of silly, but to me, I mean, it's

part of a trilogy in my mind. I always think

of these three movies in the same kind of realm

because you have the movie that won't be mentioned,

Disney's first animated movie, and you have Cinderella

and you have Sleeping Beauty. And those were

the three that all had basically the straight

forward Disney princess type fairy tale story

that went on at the time, which is totally different

than everything until we come up to Beauty and

the Beast and Little Mermaid where we have some

more kind of in the same genre so to speak. So

I remember I always put those three together,

Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella and that other one.

And to me, this was always the one that I kind

of liked most as a kid. I'm not going to necessarily

say I like it better than Sleeping Beauty nowadays.

But I liked the whole part of the fairy godmother

turning the stuff into, you know, the pumpkin

and et cetera, all the stuff that it gets turned

into in that scene. So I have fond memories of

this. I didn't watch it all the time. It wasn't

like some of the movies like Jungle Book or a

few that we'll talk about in some upcoming episodes

where I just watched them over and over and over

again. But I did enjoy this as a kid. Tara, what

are your general memories of Cinderella from

your first time you watched it? Well, the first

time I watched it was like when I was probably

around four or five years old. And funny thing

is I actually was pretty sick the first time

I watched it. So it really cheered me up. I just

remember it being like a really, you know, kind

of happy go lucky movie. It had a princess. So

of course, you know, being a little girl, I was,

you know, I was attracted to that. And, you know,

it was just it was to me it was like magic just

because it was probably one of the first Disney

movies I watched. And then I want you know, then

I got into Beauty and the Beast but Cinderella

was definitely one of my favorites growing up

I love the storyline I thought you know, even

though the animation was older than what I got

used to growing up. It just it was beautiful

to me I mean it was beautifully done and I think

it's it's a classic and it deserves to stay a

classic Yeah, and it really wasn't creepy No,

it wasn't creepy at all. Compared to some of

the other early Disney films that we've mentioned

in this Disney spotlight. It doesn't get creepy

till later on. There's a couple issues I have

with this film, but I'll save those from when

we get to the plot. We don't have a guy with

a big long nose. We don't have seven dwarfs.

I mean, some of that stuff's a little bit creepy.

The only the only creepy thing in Cinderella

was the stepmother with her evil green eyes that

one scene where the camera just zooms in her

her eyes It was almost a different type of creepy

though. Yeah, it was it was really, you know

evil we were really introduced to evil there

Yeah, it was an evil kind of like the bad guys

in the other Disney princess movies that we mentioned

just previously. It's creepy in a way that it

was supposed to be creepy, not creepy in a way

that was meant to be something else. Well, you

know that the evil stepmother is the reincarnation

of Maleficent, right? Yes. I learned that later

on. I didn't know that until pretty recently.

When I did some research on that, I'm like, holy...

That's where they got the inspiration for The

Stepmother from. From a demon witch. Yeah. Hang

on one second, guys. And the same voice actor

and everything in that. Yeah, exactly. Like I

said, it's creepy but not in... It's not creepy

in the creepy way that the dwarves or Pinocchio

was. Yeah. I find myself, as we're going back

through these Disney films, and in later episodes,

Kevin will completely disagree with me on a certain

movie, but I find myself drawing so many conclusions

to other Disney films with these. All the Disney

films, I mean, you can do that in certain way,

shape, or form. I mean, whether it be similar

voices that are used, whether it be character

designs that are reused, some of the music. Obviously

like when you get to a lead and Lion King and

Little Mermaid obviously the same people are

doing the music on all those So they're gonna

have certain things in common But yeah, I mean

Disney but that's one thing that makes the Disney

classics classics is they all have that Disney

feel They all have something that ties it to

another movie or that ties the whole franchise

together That is true And yeah, we won't talk

about your comparisons until another episode

I'm telling you The hell is Louie? Yep. Anyway,

moving into the characters and voice actors,

we have Eileen Woods as Cinderella, Eleanor Audley

as Lady Tremaine, Louise Van Rotten or Rutan

as whatever. I don't know. Rutan, Rotten, whatever.

Grand Duke and the King. Jimmy McDonald as Jack

and Gus. and Bruno. Just really an overall great

voice cast. No one that I really recognize. Oh,

you bastard child. Hold on. You probably won't

recognize them because they're probably gone.

Yeah, let the expert on Disney voice actors because,

yes, I am an expert on that. I don't care about

being arrogant at this point. Because I've done

so much research on all the Disney movies, Jimmy

McDonald or James McDonald, however you want

to call him, he... was a genius back in the day

as far as Disney goes and he was used in so many

different movies if I had the internet I would

tell you I'm from behind the voice actors which

Disney movies he was in but I just recently did

a top 10 of just Disney film act voice actors

Jimmy McDonald is on there, and then going down

the list a little bit, Verna Felton, who is the

fairy godmother in this, she did a ton of different

Disney roles from her elephant roles in Jungle

Book and Dumbo. She did a lot of stuff. Lucille

Bliss is not on my list, but she did a lot of

stuff. June Foray, she was kind of like Frank

Welker in a way that they both show up in a ton

of Disney movies, but not necessarily as any...

like main roles or main characters they're usually

animals or you know some type of little side

noise type character but they show up a lot and

Eleanor oddly like we said you know as Maleficent

and Lady Tremaine so this is a pretty good cast

and you'll see you know James McDonald and Verna

Felton again as as you go through other Disney

movies yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Well, what I

meant was when I said a whole bunch of other

people that we probably wouldn't recognize outside

of June Foray. I mean, really, you know, as far

as like just seeing their names. Right. No, current

people won't. Disney people would recognize,

oddly, McDonald, Lucille Bliss, Werner Felden,

and June Foray. Right. Yep. But it's a great

voice cast. It definitely is a good voice cast.

Yeah, and they do a pretty good job. Obviously

we're going to see a whole new voice cast when

we get to the next part of this episode and maybe

we'll do some discussing then about some of the

replacements or changes between voices. Yeah.

There's a lot of changes. What else? Why don't

we pick favorite characters? Tara, you can go

first. Definitely Cinderella. Ironically, I will

pick the movie title character. I like that a

lot. Don't worry. Do you have a least favorite,

Tara? Least favorite? Oh, definitely, oh my god,

the stepsisters. Yeah, I agree. Oh, they're so

annoying. Does anybody else want to smack them,

besides me? I think everybody wants to do some

bodily damage to them, whether it be smacking

or killing, I don't know. From what you give.

I dislike one of the stepsisters a little more

than the other, though. I really can't stand

Rezella. I mean, I can't stand Anastasia either.

But Drizella is even worse for me. I don't know

why or what it is about her, but she's definitely

my least favorite character. My favorite character

has got to be Gus, which is real close to Jack

or Jacques or however you want to say it, but...

It's Jack. I hate the way they spell it, but

the way they say it in the movie, it's Jack.

Well, a couple times they say it with a... Jacques.

Jacques. Jacques. A couple times they do say

that. But the two mice are my favorite characters

by far. I love, especially Gus, little chubby

little mouse. He's kinda cool. They're so cute.

Yeah. But yeah, I like the mice even a little

bit more than I like Cinderella. What about you,

Mike? I agree. I'm gonna stop asking you questions.

You just say yes or I agree. I agree. No, I like

Jack. Probably Jack and Gus the best because...

They're the ones that pretty much do all the

work, and they're the ones that are the comedy

relief. I also don't like... I don't like Grand

Duke either. No. I don't know why, he just seemed

like a dumbass. Yes, he is. He's a big dumbass.

Is it just me, or is this the same animation

model that they used on the King in Sword and

the Stone, King Philip? Not King Philip? It's

the same. It's I was gonna say yeah, yeah the

big fat round King and sword in the stone Hector

yeah comparing it to this game Exactly the same

not not sword in the stone Sleeping Beauty. Yes

in beauty. That's that's that's what I was thinking

of. Yeah Yeah, the animation model is the same

as far as Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty as far

as the two Kings Well, it makes you think are

they related somehow? That would be interesting.

Definitely. Plot twist. I guess we can get into

the behind the scenes segment. Nice segue there,

Kevin. Great. I honestly don't recognize any

of the normally when we do to cast we'll talk

about the directors and writers but honestly

I don't recognize any of these guys if you have

any of these Disney movies on DVD which is any

of these old classics from like the the ones

I did in the 40s 50s era I don't know exactly

which ones to point you to, but I know on multiple

ones of those DVDs, and I'm talking about like

the last edition that came out, which was the,

was that the Platinum or the? It was the Platinum.

Yeah. A lot of those have special features that

discuss the history of the production. And you

will get some insight into the writers because

obviously certain writers were used repeatedly

and the amount of influence Disney either had

or did not have on some particular films. Bill

Pete is a name I recognize from one of those

special features. I don't necessarily recognize

the other ones, but they're really kind of fun

to listen to. So if you have any of the DVDs,

look at your special features. I don't know which

movies have them, but some of them have some

really good writing and production credit, like

special features. Made on the cusp of between

the Golden Age Disney animations of the 1930s

and 40s, and the less critically acclaimed productions

of the 50s, Cinderella is representative of both

eras. Cinderella was the first full -bodied feature

produced by the studio since Bambi in 1942. Wow.

Well, of course, there's a war in between those

years. Well, and this explains a lot because

a lot of people, when they try to list, like

if you were trying to list off Disney classic

movies or the ones that are technically part

of what they call Disney classics, you will not

get the ones that were made basically in the

war era. You'll go with, sorry, I have to say,

you'll go Snow White, you'll say Dumbo or whatever,

and Pinocchio, Peter Pan, and you'll jump into

Cinderella and all them. You will completely

skip over the 1940s movies. It makes a lot of

sense. Obviously, during the war era, they couldn't

do a lot. So that's when you get the stuff like

Fun and Fancy Free and Make Mine Music and the

three Caballeros. You know, that's when all these

lesser known Disney films were made was in that

war period. And then now that the war is over,

we start with Cinderella and we get back into

the swing of things. Never knew that growing

up and I was always like what were these dumb

movies that were made in the forties? But now

you know looking back and make sense Because

nobody ever lists those nobody knows those movies

That's true cuz nobody knows fun and fancy free

well no one cared well of course cuz when they

came out Yeah, but I mean and it's and it's and

it's obviously had a long lasting effect Not

only they came out during the war, but because

it you know was done in a different manner and

nobody knows them now either Or unless you're

like a real big Disney nut then maybe you have

seen them Yeah, or you have family from that

time period and they remember it. Yeah, but I

definitely never was exposed to those movies

when I was a kid Yeah, no me either. They weren't

they weren't even widely available. I don't think

no even growing up So it's almost like a little

pocket in the Disney classics that really shouldn't

probably be Disney classics, but they're usually

included Go figure Go figure What other behind

the scenes stuff do we want to impose on the

listeners? Basically, there was just some stuff

that was changed. The Prince had a much larger

role in the beginning, but Disney is famous for

being very particular about his stuff. He'll

watch things over, and if he doesn't like things,

he makes him change it. There's songs that were

deleted. There's sequences that were deleted.

That's why the Disney movies are fascinating

if you are really into movies or really into

animation. If you want to learn some interesting

stuff, go into behind the scenes stuff for Disney

movies and you will learn a whole lot of stuff.

I mean, it's just interesting stuff about what

was changed and the influence certain people

had. I was watching one the other day on YouTube

that was like a behind the scenes on... the Jungle

Book because I needed one of the writers because

he ended up voicing one of the characters and

he basically doesn't have any pictures available

anywhere so I was combing through the special

features on the DVD to find a picture of him

when they interviewed him and I was just getting

swept away. I wasn't intending to watch the whole

thing but I ended up watching almost the whole

thing because the stuff they were talking about

was so interesting about the different things

Disney would do during the production of a movie.

So, I mean, we can't go into all of it, but I

would say if you're interested in this type of

stuff, find those DVDs and look at the special

features. Yup. So, let's see. Bibbidi Bobbidi

Boo became a hit signal four times with notable

versions by Perry Como and the Fontaine Sisters.

Eileen Woods beat exactly 309 girls for the part

of Cinderella after some demo recordings of her

singing a few of the film songs. were presented

at Walt Disney, so that's impressive for that

time period. That's really impressive. Well,

and the interesting part about that is those

recordings were sent into Disney by her friends

without her knowledge. Oh, jeez. So she didn't

even know that they were being sent in, and then

she ends up getting the voice. Wow. So that's

a pretty cool story for her. Luck of the draw,

I guess. Yeah, most people nowadays obviously

would kill for that type of chance. You know,

she better have paid those friends back somehow.

I would, I'd be like, okay, drinks on me. Nice

twist of fate for her. Yeah, no, we'll get into

twists a little bit later in the show. So Kevin,

getting into the actual show, why don't you give

us the plot synopsis here? Oh, goodness. All

right, Cinderella is basically the only child

of a widowed aristocrat. No, aristocrat, that's

a different episode. I knew you were going to

do that too. Basically, she's left under the

watch of her stepmother, Lady Tremaine, and the

stepsisters, Anastasia and Drizella. So they're

a bunch of haughty -taughty annoying pieces of

crap, and she's in their care. She befriends

the mice, of course, Jack and Gus. To make a

long story short, Fairy Godmother comes in, gives

her this magical power to go to the ball, which

she had been denied by the stepmother and stepsisters.

So they dress her all up, take her in the carriage.

She goes to meet Prince Charming. They fall in

love basically at first touch, first sight, all

that other nonsense. But at midnight, she's going

to turn back into her regular self, as is her

carriage and all that other stuff. So she has

to run off, leaves her shoe behind, Prince picks

it up, goes searching for the person that will

fit the shoe, eventually finds Cinderella, because

it won't fit the stepsisters or anybody else,

and learns that Cinderella was the real person.

They get married. Basically, everybody lives

happily ever after until the sequels. There's

one problem I have with this film. This stupid

ass Grand Duke, on the orders of the prince,

went around to every single female in the kingdom

to have them try on this slipper. Yup. Hello,

can you say athletes foot anybody? It's glass

slipper. It doesn't carry athlete's foot. I guess

it didn't care about germs back then. It's a

much different time. It doesn't matter. There's

still foot fungus around. You didn't see the

little thing of PRL that he carried in his back

pocket that he used in between every try and

on? He spread it with his little monocle there.

Yeah, between every fitting he like sprayed it

and then looked through his monocle to make sure

there was no germs and then he went on to the

next house. Yeah, that's... That's touching it,

Kevin. There was only three girls in the kingdom.

It wasn't that bad. Big deal. Just saying. He

only had to go to one house. But it basically

has... This is a little bit of everything, especially

for the female audience. This is obviously your

fairy tale story where the unexpecting girl that

doesn't have anything or whatever gets turned

into the princess, meets the prince. Everything

works out like you had in your head. You have

some magic with the fairy godmother. You have

the villains, even though it's not a scary...

monster it's just like a regular person so in

that fact that i guess your bones a little bit

more easy to to relate to but uh... you know

it has the mice to give you some humor so you

got romance humor and magic i mean you can't

really go too wrong with that although they do

later on yeah i'm sorry i'm looking at some of

the trivia mike's never pay attention just for

the record That's why every time we ask him a

question. He's like what I'm not paying attention.

Yeah Yeah, overall this is not like like Kevin

said earlier some of the Bad films that we've

covered. This is by no means bad. I didn't really

See anything in this film as far as you know

Whereas in episode 29 of Tunecast, which I encourage

everybody to go back and listen to that rant

fest, you know, episode 29, it's like, holy crap,

there's no adults around, where this one, there's

almost too many adults around. There's really

no kids involved in this whole movie. Nope. I

mean, I guess I never really thought about that.

I mean, I guess the mice are kind of kids, but

you really have a whole movie that's full of

adult characters, and that seems like something

rare to put out a movie for kids that has no

kids in it. And magical mice. Is it ever said

how old Cinderella is? Is it ever written anywhere

how old she is? I don't believe so. I don't know

if they reference it in any of the sequels or

not, but I don't ever recall seeing an age for

her. I don't think it's been official, but I

do recall reading something that said she was

probably in her early 20s. Okay, that makes sense.

Something like that, yeah. She wasn't too young,

she wasn't too old. Right. But she was a young

woman, I guess, if you want to call her that.

Yeah. What about some of your guys' favorite

or least favorite parts of the movie? Mike, do

you have a favorite part or a favorite sequence

or anything like that? Pretty much anything with

the mice. And, you know, this is how mice are

done right other than, you know, another movie

that I cannot stand that has to do with Pixar

and rats. Oh, is that Ratatouille? That's a great

movie. I hate that movie. I hate that movie.

But anyway, to digress. There's other movies

with good mice. Well, yeah, but Ratatouille is

important. American Tale is great. That's mice,

isn't it? Ratatouille is not one of them though,

that's my point. Fievel's cool. Yeah, Fievel's

alright. Thought you were dissing my boy Fievel

and I couldn't stand for that. Whatever. So you

like all the mice? Damn it, I'll hate who I want

to hate. So yeah, Control Freaky. You like all

the mice. Do you have like least favorite scenes

or anything? Probably anything with the stepsisters.

Way to be specific. No, seriously, anything you

do. Like that whole singing scene. when Cinderella's

down there mopping the floor and they're up doing

practicing. Oh my god, it's like friggin' nails

on a chalkboard. Oh god. I have to agree with

that. What about your favorite scene, Tara? Do

you have a favorite scene or a favorite moment?

I definitely do. I think it's probably when the

prince and Cinderella are off on their own and

they're dancing and just, you know... That scene

was just done so well in terms of you could see

that they liked each other and that they were

falling in love with each other. It was so beautiful

and it was just so, it was done so right. And

you know, and you as an audience, you really

connect to that. And as for least favorite scene,

I'm going to have to say it's the part where

Cinderella comes down in that dress, you know,

the mice had worked all night making for her,

lucky her. And they just go on a huge bitch fest

and ruin it. Yeah, I hate that scene. That was

an awful scene. That was dramatic. Because they

were just, you know, they threw out all that

crap they didn't want and then the mice, you

know, pick it up and put it on their dress. And

then when they see, you know, oh, our stepsister

looks pretty, you know, prettier than us with

our stuff on, we have to take it back. So...

That was a bitchy scene in my opinion. I did

not like that I agree with you 100 % that would

definitely be my least favorite scene because

I felt you know being the mice lover that I am

in this movie I hated that all their work was

kind of you just your heart just as like sunk

for them when that happened So that's definitely

my least favorite. I think my favorite scene

is when the fairy godmother Turns everything

into the stuff that it gets turned into for the

ball you know, whether it be Cinderella and,

you know, the pumpkin and the whatever, all the

other different characters or the objects that

are turned into something else. I really liked

seeing that because up to that point you hadn't,

I mean, this was the big part where the magic

was involved and I kind of like that. Yeah, so

big themes and trivia here. Yeah. There's a bunch

of Mickey Mouse references throughout this film.

Actually, there's two specific ones. When Cinderella

is singing Sweet Nightingale, three bubbles form

the head and ears of Mickey. I forgot to watch

that when I rewatched it. I did not catch that.

I gotta go back and now watch her sing that song

and see if I can find the bubbles. Mickey Mouse

bubbles? So back in the day they did innocent

Mickey Mouse stuff and it's not until later on

where we have the so -called whatever you want

to call it. aren't placement no uh... the the

stuff that's not necessarily true but people

like to say uh... all around the room as the

rest of you know when sex is spelled in the dust

in only and i'm going to be in lying hang you

know whatever all my god is it's so is and apparently

he whispered something on the balcony inappropriate

howard she is all that stuff i have which is

not true but anyways it's true outside today

we had innocent mickey mouse and and Yeah, I

absolutely love the goofy holler. That was hilarious.

I gotta watch for that again, too. Oh, I heard

that. I remember that. I put this in. I forgot

I followed the trivia when I was going to the

back and watching it. I remember the goofy holler.

Did you know to listen for it or did you just

hear it? I heard it and I'm like, goofy, what

are you doing in Cinderella? That's awesome.

I did not realize, but I find it kind of interesting

that this whole I mean, the term Prince Charming

has become part of our everyday vocabulary. I

mean, I'm surprised if it doesn't have an actual

entry in a dictionary somewhere. But I did not

realize that that kind of came out of nowhere

because it's never said in the film. Yeah, his

name is never actually mentioned. Never. Yeah,

nowhere do they ever say Prince Charming, but

he just becomes known as Prince Charming and

now it's just like the rest is history as far

as how people use it. Or he's known as the Prince,

right? Right. But I find that pretty interesting.

The carriage that Cinderella and the Prince take

after the wedding has an emblem of a sword and

two hidden Mickey Mouse heads around it. Ah,

yes. Another Mickey Mouse thing to find. And

this was also the first film to be worked on

by the legendary Nine Old Men of the Disney Animation

Department and they were geniuses and they did

quite a few films and this is the first one so

if you're a Disney aficionado you probably know

who the Nine Old Men are. I couldn't name them

for you though so don't ask me. But they do good

work. Moving into the music segment, I guess.

I don't quite mind the songs in this like I do

some of the other Disney films. They're not as

blatant, I think, in this one. They actually

tell the story. Yeah, rather than just insert

musical number here Yeah, it's kind of in the

middle for me I mean it doesn't have like the

fantastic music that we get from some other of

the Disney classics But it's better than some

of them. So it's kind of in that middle ground.

I mean doesn't have that like I know a dream

is a wish your heart makes is is the song for

this movie and you know, probably second is I

don't know bibbidi -bobbidi -boo but Those songs

are good, but they don't... I mean, you can't

even compare it with the episode we did our last

episode where we had When You Wish Upon a Star.

I mean, to me that's a better song than any one

of these songs is. I would say that and, you

know, a dream is a wish that your heart... I

would say that the two main songs from both the

films are about evenly powered, I think. Yeah,

they're beautiful. I mean, they're memorable.

Yeah, the difference between this and what will

come later though is back here you had usually

like one really great song and then some like

secondary songs whereas when we get into like

the the 90s or the late 80s you had like five

or six good songs per movie. Yeah. Wow. So I

mean you know you can't compare it to some of

the the later stuff but it was still good and

like I said it's better than some of the music

we'll have in like I don't want to name any names,

but when we get to the episodes, I'll talk about

it. He knows if he names them all, I will...

A dream is a wish your heart makes is a great

song though. Getting into the legacy segment

for Cinderella, apparently this was the first

huge hit since that movie that shall not be named.

Wow. Yeah, because the other ones kind of flopped

a little bit. The second and I mean, obviously

all the ones during the World Wars were not going

to make them a lot of money, or World War II,

I mean. And even their other couple, like second

and third big movies, were kind of flops. I mean,

they were somewhat in trouble, actually, when

it came for the making of Cinderella. And if

it had not made it, this might have been the

end of Disney, actually. They would have been

screwed. Yeah, I mean, we might have had nothing

else Disney. It would have been just what we

had up through this point and that would have

sucked big time. So thank God that this film

at least kept him afloat. Yes. And as far as

some of the awards for this one, the film received

three Academy Award nominations for best sound,

original music score. and best song for Bibbidi

Bobbidi Boo. At the first Berlin International

Film Festival, it won the Golden Bear Music Film

Award for the Big Bronze Plate Award. In June

2008, the American Film Institute revealed its

10 top 10, the best 10 films in 10 classic American

film genres. After pulling over 1 ,500 people

from the creative community, Cinderella was acknowledged

as the ninth greatest film in the animation genre.

Which is good, although, like I said, with all

these lists, the first movies always get the

credit, so... It deserves it, though. This one

deserves it, but... This one deserves it. No,

this one deserves it, but the stuff ahead of

it doesn't... Snow White and Pinocchio don't

deserve to be ahead of it. So as far as sequels

and other media, the first direct -to -video

sequel, Cinderella 2, Dreams Come True, was released

on February 26, 2002. A second direct -to -video

sequel, Cinderella 3, A Twist in Time, was released

on February 6, 2007. Cinderella and the Fairy

Godmother have appeared as guests in Disney's

House of Mouse, Kingdom Hearts, Kingdom Hearts

Birth by Sleep. All the main characters, Sans,

Gus, Major, and the King appear. A live -action

adaptation is planned and rumored to star Amanda

Seyfried. I did not know they were trying to

do a live -action adaptation of this. Oh, wow.

Well, I don't know if it's still in I don't yeah,

that's that's the other thing I don't know if

it's still in in production So I guess we'll

move on to the next movie what you're gonna hear

the trailer for right now It was the moment that

changed her life forever Taking her to a place.

She'd never been to a life. She dared only dream

about Discover what comes after Happily Ever

After. As Walt Disney's most enchanting fairy

tale continues. Cinderella 2 Dreams Come True

Special Edition. Finally releasing from the Disney

Vault for a limited time. I think we're going

to be great friends. Jacques, Gus and all your

favorite characters return in three magical tales.

Now this is more like it! Including an all -new

game. the magic lives on someday i'll get this

princess thing right i think that day is today

cinderella 2 dreams come true complete your cinderella

collection with this special edition release

coming soon to disney dvd for a limited time

so up next is cinderella 2 dreams come true kevin

take it away with the history lesson Not much

for a history lesson here. I mean, like we said

in the previous segment, this is basically the

first sequel to Cinderella, hence it being called

Cinderella 2. And it was a direct video. I mean,

this isn't something that was in the theater

or whatever. It came out in 2002 in February.

And this one's interesting because it's not really

one movie. It is three short movies combined

and mashed up into one and called One movie.

But we'll get more into that a little bit later.

What are your general thoughts on Cinderella

2? Dreams come true, Mike. What movie is this?

Seriously, I did not know at all that Disney

had started doing sequels at this point in 2002.

I wasn't paying attention to Disney animation

back then. I had seen like a brief little trailer

about it, but I didn't really pay any attention

to it. I'm like, wait, what? The movie doesn't

have a sequel. But I had never seen this until

probably, I don't know, four years ago. And what

were your general thoughts when you saw it? It

was okay. It's like pulling teeth around here.

Shut up, Kevin. It was alright. It wasn't like...

Wasn't like the worst thing that they've done,

but it wasn't like oh my god. This is amazing

Yeah I don't know. I was just I just don't get

it. I don't get what the theory was behind this

I don't understand like they're like I think

the thing with Disney and starting this whole

direct -to -video sequel thing when they started

I think the the point was You know, everybody

wanted to know, oh, well, they lived happily

ever after, but how did they live happily ever

after? People wanted to see the aftermath of

those first films, and that's why Disney went

in and made the sequels to stuff. Well, I get

that. And even as a kid, when I saw, let's say,

Little Mermaid or Aladdin or something, when

I saw that, I was like, when the movie gets over,

I definitely wanted to see more. I'm like, wait

a second. I want to see more. I'm not done with

these characters yet. I like them. I get that

part. I also get the part that they're witnessing

things like what Land Before Time is doing at

the time, which is making a shit ton of money

by producing a movie every year or every other

year. I don't know exactly when Scooby -Doo started

doing it, but they're seeing other models out

in the world doing the direct to DVD. production

-a -thon I guess is whatever you want to call

it where they come out with something every six

months or every year and they make money off

of it and Disney wants to be a part of that too

and what better way than to tell sequels of all

these classic films I get that part what I don't

get is why do we have three 20 minute stories

in one movie? I don't get that. I don't get it

either. You couldn't come up with one story?

Like I thought it was cool how they introduced

it and like I think it's cool like oh you know

the mice are in you know making the book or whatever

and they want to tell a story and that leads

us into the story but then have an actual movie

it was just a fail it was like three little snippets

of nothingness they were you know what um when

I when I heard there was going to be a Cinderella

sequel you know I was excited Mm -hmm, and then

I saw it in you know in the video stores when

they were playing it And I'm like wait a second.

This is the sequel to Cinderella This can't be

the sequel and and then I see okay. It's not

a movie. It's three episodes and Was saying was

it you that was saying to me off air or something

that originally was a plan for like something

else I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure, you know, just

by, I was doing some research on this, I'm pretty

sure they were planning a Cinderella cartoon

show. And it didn't work, so they decided to

take three stories and smash it in. And you see,

and it's a common theme, and you see this later

on with other Disney sequels, you see the same

thing, you know, with Aladdin, exact same thing.

Aladdin's sequels were TV episodes, they were

not actual movies. I disagree with that. Yeah

No, because no, I mean, it's not an awesome thing

I I can see where this being three separate stories

in a sequel film Was supposed to be for television,

but honestly return of Jafar and King of Thieves

Those are two direct -to -video movies that have

one overarching story each Well, it still could

have been a TV series like a plot for a TV episode

that got turned into a movie That could be that

could be true But it's not like Cinderella to

what we have here where it's three separate stories

like you guys said They didn't even they didn't

even take it's not like they they could have

taken one of these stories and made it into a

whole movie It's not like that bad each one of

the three stories could have potentially been

made into something better and bigger. They were

kind of just coughed out, in my opinion. Yeah,

it's like they spent no time whatsoever and they're

just like, oh, it's good enough, put it out there.

I just don't get it. And they were just bad.

Yeah, nothing special in any of them. Like, they

all had potential and they all went nowhere and

then it was on to the next story. And you know

what, and also in terms of, you know, the character

development between the first and the second,

it's a different Cinderella. We're not seeing

the same one we got introduced to. Yeah. She's

different. Well, the other thing about this is

this movie was made, you know, like, what is

it, 50 years after the fact. Yeah, 1950, yeah.

So, I mean, I seriously doubt Eileen, Eileen

Woods or whatever her name was, I seriously doubt

that she was still around voice acting. No, no,

but it's just like, even between the little story

parts, though, within this movie, the characters

are different. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I know.

Not about the voice acting, I mean, I'm just

saying in terms of the character herself. Yeah,

and even between, yeah, it's not only between

the first Cinderella movie and this movie, it's

between part one of this movie, part two and

part three, it's different people, it seems like,

in certain ways. I mean, obviously, it's the

same look and the same voice actor and all that

type of stuff, but there's, it just doesn't,

ah, bad. Bad. But since we mentioned voice actors,

just kind of... going down the list, obviously

there's a whole new voice cast because none of

the other people are still active. Number one,

most of them aren't alive anymore. But if they

are alive, they're not usually active in voice

acting. I mean, June Ferre was in the first one.

She's still around, but not as active in 2002

as she was obviously back then. But a very famous

voice cast here. Jennifer Hale as Cinderella.

Jennifer Hill did a ton of stuff over the last

couple decades. Depends on how you want to call

them, C .D. Barnes or Christopher Daniel Barnes

as Prince Charming. Our boy, my boy, Rob Paulson

as Jacques Grandoux, the baker, sir, Hubert,

flower vendor, and probably some other people.

Corey Burton as Gus. Holland Taylor, who I'm

not real familiar with, as Prudence. Frank Welker

as All the Cats and Dogs. Chess McNeil as Anastasia

and then Rusty Taylor as Fairy Godmother, Drizella,

Mary Mouse, Beatrice and Daphne and Suzanne Blakeslee

as Lady Tremaine. So it's an entire new cast

and before I let you guys comment on anything,

I usually don't say this because I like both

of these individuals but I did not care for Chess

McNeil as Anastasia and I did not care for Jennifer

Hale as Cinderella. I disagree. I just didn't,

the voices to me, I love Tress McNeil and she

does a great voice but it did not fit Anastasia's

character look or design for me and the same

with Jennifer Hale. You guys can disagree but

to me it just sounded off. I'm on the fence,

I'm on the fence. I have to admit, I'm on the

fence. Rob Paulson sounded perfect as Jack and

Corey Burton sounded perfect as Gus. And even

Lady Tremaine and the Fairy Godmother and those

people sounded perfect. But for me, when I'm

looking at the character of Anastasia or Cinderella

and then I hear the voice, it's like it didn't.

It was a disconnect for me. Different person.

Different person. Yeah. Actually, you know what?

With Cinderella, I will agree with you to a point.

There was just one scene if we can just like

go to like a scene with Jennifer Hale in that

movie when she's taking off, you know, the clothes,

the ugly princess clothes. She says something

that really, you know, you think Cinderella wouldn't

say. She kind of goes kind of valley girl on

you. She's like, and this dress, ew, like that.

And that's what did it for me. That's what kind

of disconnected me from Cinderella in this movie

was just that voice acting right there. Yeah.

And I'm sorry, Mike, but Tress MacNeil Sounded

exactly like so many of her other characters

that she's done in the past when she did Anastasia

and that's not how I picture Anastasia sounding

Well, I mean I know you love her. No, no, no,

actually You know the whole point of this film

is especially in Anastasia's case is she's Not

the same. She's not the same character. She is

the same name and same look and everything else

But as far as her as far as Anastasia's character

traits in this She's not really the greedy step

-sister anymore. She kind of is, but she really

is. And I think Tress's voice fit with that,

whether it sounded like any of her other characters.

At least Tress gave her some sort of sympathetic

stuff. As far as Jennifer Hale is Cinderella...

All I could hear was gadget from Chippendale's.

Or gadget, whatever it was, from Chippendale

the Rescue Ranger. That's all I could hear the

entire time. As for Jennifer Hale, what were

you saying? Well, I was going to say, as far

as Jennifer Hale goes, I kind of prefer her over

the original voice actress because, I don't know,

it just seems like her voice fits Cinderella

a little bit more to me. But when I first looked

at, it was after Kevin had sent me the script,

and I first looked at who voiced Cinderella and

Prince Charming, I was like, oh, hey, I wonder

when Prince Charming is going to don a Spider

-Man suit and Cinderella is going to become Black

Cat. Because Christopher Daniel Barnes voiced

Spider -Man in 1994's Spider -Man and Jennifer

Hale was Black Cat slash Felicia Hardy. Well

and for you you mentioned, you know, which one

you prefer over the other and that's kind of

what we're talking about So I can give another

shameless plug just because we've already done

the work. But if you want to No, we already did

the work for it and we have voice compares up

for Lady Tremaine We have voice compares up for

Cinderella and at least two other Cinderella

or one other Cinderella character I just can't

remember which one So if you want to go listen

to the original and the current versions back

-to -back and vote on your favorite Go to behind

the voice actors comm click on voice compare

and there's a Cinderella section My shameless

plug is over I didn't as much as I like Rob Paulson

Don't you do his Jack just didn't No, it's not

perfect because it's not it's not what Jimmy

did and it just it sounds so close But there's

just something that it just it isn't it isn't

the same. I Liked it though. It is different

It is different and I liked it So I'll vote for

Rob Paulson and you can vote for Jennifer Hale

and trust me. I preferred I preferred Paulson

as Grand Duke though Yeah, I thought he did a

good job of sounding like completely different

people through all the different characters he

voiced. Yes That's a talent right there So now

we have, obviously we have three different stories

going on. So we have a plethora of characters

compared to the first movie. So let's see if

our opinions have changed. Mike, who's your favorite

character out of the whole, I guess we can call

it second movie. Mine's no longer the same as

it was before. They didn't see the problem with

this movie is because the mice are telling the

story. The mice really didn't get a whole lot

of action. There wasn't a whole lot of comedy

for the mice. So, honestly, I think my favorite

character is Cinderella in this one. Interesting.

How about you, Tara? Same thing. Same with Cinderella.

Even though she has a Valley Girl moment, I still

like her. I switched to, just like Mike, I'm

not going with the mice anymore because I liked

the mice much better in the first movie than

the second movie. My favorite and this one's

actually gonna be Prince Charming. I know that

kind of seems weird because he doesn't usually

get a lot of attention or whatnot, but I really

liked him in one of the parts. I don't remember

which of the three parts it was, but I don't

know. I didn't like most of the characters in

here. Obviously I don't like any of the stepsisters

that when they get involved, I don't like the

Lady Tremaine and I absolutely despise Prudence.

Oh, Prudence. Yeah. and Beatrice and Daphne are

annoying. I did like the addition of Mary Mouse,

but I don't know, I think I'm gonna go with The

Prince, just because I like The Prince slightly

better than Cinderella. Well, Mary Mouse, she

was in the first one, so I mean, technically

there is continuity between the first one and

this one, because of the fact that, even though

I don't think she had a name in the first one,

but she and Jack were kind of friends, and I

don't know. Yeah, what about your least favorite

character, Mike? It's still... Drizella and the

stepmother. I mean, I respect for them as far

as how evil they are, but I didn't really care

for Lucifer slash Pom -Pom, because I don't even

think Lucifer was in this. I don't ever... Yeah.

Actually, he is. Yeah. He is. You're wrong. Tara,

you still... Lee's favorite is Still the Sisters?

No, actually, it's changed. For this film, it

is definitely Prudence. Yeah. Oh man, I do not

like her. First of all, I just hate people that

are like her, so it was very easy for me to hate

her. Well, she's a snob, right? She's a snob.

A stuck -up snobby prude that won't even let

the windows be open. I was just like, God, somebody

strangle her. To me, she just... I just think

in that film, I didn't really see a purpose for

her. I guess. I just thought she was just there,

you know, just to give Cinderella a hard time,

obviously, but otherwise she was annoying. I

mean, I kind of understood because if it's going

in the future as to like her first time at the

castle, someone has to kind of show her her way

or whatever, but it does seem like, oh, we just

don't, we don't want to put Anastasia, Drizella,

and Lady Tremaine in this first part, so we need

another character to basically be the same person.

I mean, because it's almost like she was Fairy

Godden, or not Fairy Godden, Lady Tremaine in

a... you know, a different name and a different

outfit and different look, but she's playing

the same part. But I guess they didn't want to

put the sisters in right away, but then they

put them in the third part. So it's like, yeah,

I don't know. It was odd. It was odd. Now we

have four stuck up snobs. Well, you are in a

castle, right? So yeah, that's true. So getting

into the writers and the behind the scenes stuff

again, don't recognize anybody. No, and I don't

recognize any of these people either. Obviously

we don't have any of the famous Disney people

because other people were involved in these.

I don't know much about the behind the scenes

as far as what went into this. I don't know if

there's stuff available on the DVD or not, but

it was directed by some people and it was written

by some people and that's about it. So quick

plot summary in the actual show here. Good Lord.

All right. The mice get together and they want

to give book to Cinderella so they come up with

this whole book thing but then they need a story

so then they start writing it and the first story

we get is aimed to please which is basically

the story of Cinderella after she has been brought

into the castle obviously she's with the married

to the prince of this time prince and king go

away and she has to plan a banquet she is blessed

with the presence of prudence to guide her as

far as what needs to be done except for she disagrees

with everything prudence is having her do so

eventually she's fed up and she does things her

own way prudence has a cow king and prince come

back king seems to like he's starting to have

a cow but then he loves everything so then everything

is good they dance prudence is dancing with the

Grand Duke I think and basically everything's

happily ever after and then we have a transition

into a second story 20 minutes into the movie.

In the second one it's called Tall Tale and this

is all about Jack who thinks he's too small to

help Cinderella. Fairy godmother turns him into

a person who is mistaken for Sir Hugh and it

basically just goes throughout the thing kind

of teaching Jack a lesson that you know as a

mouse he was good enough he didn't need to be

a human like he thought he did to be able to

help cinderella out and that's all i'm going

to say about that one we switch into the third

one now first of all before you start the third

one i have to say i absolutely hated the second

story oh god that was just so freaking stupid

i think it was that if they had taken the first

story and this third story that Kevin's about

to give us the plot for and just stuck them end

on end. That would have been a fine movie and

just cut the second story all, cut the whole

story bit out of the mice writing the book story

stuff. Just start with that first plot and then

tie it into this third story. I agree with you

on that. I agree to your point. I'll explain

a little bit more right after I say this, but

the third one was the uncommon romance, and this

one's all about Anastasia. Basically, Anastasia

falls in love with a baker out in the streets,

and Lady Tremaine will have nothing to do with

this, so it's basically the whole story about

how Anastasia's going to overcome the basically

born on different sides of the track theme and

get hooked up with a baker, and Cinderella helps

her out a lot. She basically ends up with the

baker in Falls in Love to make a short story

short. And then basically we have the mice finishing

the book and then we get a little reprise of

Bibbidi Bobbidi Boo and gives it to Cinderella

and a movie. Now, my quick thoughts and reactions

to this. I don't mind the mice introducing the

individual stories by kind of writing their own

book if that was for a TV show. If this was a

TV series and every episode you had a little

bit with the mice because they're kind of the

best characters, the funniest characters, and

they introduce the story and then we have a half

hour show, like that would have been fine. But

to have them introduce all the different segments

within this movie, like Mike said, is not needed.

The second story is absolutely terrible. I actually

don't like the third story either. I think they

could have taken the first story and made a whole

movie out of it. If they would have developed

more, put a lot more shit in there, and made

it a little more complex, obviously, it was a

fine story. Because basically, once you have

the prince and the king leave, you're set back

up. You don't need Prudence, first of all. I

mean, if you want her there, she's fine. Otherwise,

you could somehow insert Lady Tremaine in the

stepsisters, either way, whether you have Prudence

or the group of three. You have them basically

trying to take control back from Cinderella.

You have her fighting her battle. Then the prince

and the king come in at the end, and everything

turns out well. That could have been a whole

movie by itself. So whether you know like Mike

said you just have the first and the third one

or you just take one of them and make them a

movie That's what they should have done because

breaking them into 15 or 20 minute segments is

retarded Yeah, well they obviously they had this

material lying around and like I said earlier

they had to you had to put it out there Yeah,

I just wish that either number one whatever they

were hoping to do with the series would have

got green lit And they could have used it like

that, or they would have been smart enough to

say, well, let's just use one part of what we

have and the other two don't necessarily have

to be used. But it's just terrible. Face palm.

Yeah, the music's OK. And like I said, they had

bits and pieces. They had potential. But it turns

out, when you do it this way, everything's OK

and nothing special. And with Disney, you can't

have OK. Yeah, you can't have OK. No. You need

to have special. There weren't really any musical

segments in this film at all. There was a few

songs. I mean, it wasn't like big musical type

things. I mean, like I said, they did the bibbidi

-bobbidi -boo at the end. They also had something,

I don't remember what the song was about and

I don't remember who sang it. I don't know if

Cinderella sang it, but there was another song

somewhere in there that I was like, it's an okay

song, but not for Disney. I think that's with

the whole Lucifer segment, I think, in the third

part. with Anastasia when they're doing the makeovers.

Okay, yeah. It's that scene, yeah. And it was

just like the music, like I said, it's just like

the movie, it's okay. So if you're okay with

stuff being okay, I guess you maybe would like

the music and you would like this movie. Yeah,

this was like bordering on, you know, if I had

to give it a percentage, it'd probably be like

around 50 or 60%, you know, good for a movie.

Yeah, I mean, even someone die hard, I mean,

you seem like someone that really likes Cinderella.

And like, even for die -hard Cinderella fans,

this is terrible. It is. It's terrible. So it's

going to be especially terrible for people that

are just casual Disney fans or animated fans.

They'll watch five minutes and then they'll turn

it off. Yeah, or as soon as it goes into a second

story, they'll be like, what the hell am I watching?

I'm watching Jersey Shore. I'm not watching Cinderella.

Damn, that's something I never thought we'd have

in Tooncast, a goddamn Jersey Shore reference.

This is so bad that people would probably turn

to Jersey Shore. Wow. Although I'd have to take

a gun out before I did that. Okay, so moving

into the legacy segment here, apparently it was

estimated to cost five million to produce Dreams

Come True, Disney's top -selling animated sequel

that year. grossing approximately $120 million

in direct -to -DVD sales, but the film itself

was met with a mainly mixed -to -negative response

from fans and critics alike. Well, duh. Tara

pointed out earlier off -air that it currently

holds a rare 0 % approval rating from top critics

on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, and like she said,

many critics agree that it looks like a piece

-together remains of a rejected television series.

So it's just god -awful. It was released to DVD,

obviously. That's how it came out. So it was

released on a special edition in 2007. Don't

know why. Good lord. The film is currently in

the Disney vault where it should stay forever.

Please stay in the vault. Yes. And as far as

Kevin wanting, like, a really good special feature

on this, as far as behind the scenes, no such

luck. We have Race to the Royal Banquet game,

musical magic featurette, Cinderella's storybook,

Cinderella's enchanted castle activity, put -it

-together music video by Brooke Allison, and

deleted scenes. And some deleted scenes which

were probably an entire fourth story. Yeah. Entire

fourth story. Or probably the remains of number

one and number three. Yeah, it's the rest of

number one that they should have told. Wow. Oh

man, this movie sucks. This movie sucks, you

know what? This movie is a failure and it should

stay in the vault forever and I will be happy

with that. This movie, Mike, you are so lucky

because I agreed to watch the third one because

this movie, all it did was solidify my hate for

animated figures. It justified everything I've

ever said about them. You know, he thought the

second one was bad. Wait till we get to number

three. See, I don't really have that much of

a problem with number three. I actually liked

it. So we're going to get to Cinderella 3, a

Twistin' Times trailer right now. What if...

Your Grace! Please, wait! The slipper didn't

fit. I danced with the prince. That was my slipper.

Could the dream still come true? You may have

danced with him. You may even have thought it

was love. But whatever you think happened last

night was a dream. I call upon all the forces

of the universe. And finally up today is Cinderella

3 A Twist in Time. Take it away with the history

lesson. Alright, like the second one, Cinderella

3 A Twist in Time is obviously a direct -to -video

sequel to both Cinderella and Cinderella 2. And

basically it is a time travel story because it's

a continuation of the original Cinderella rather

than Cinderella 2. It kind of ignores Cinderella

2 and goes back to before Cinderella or during

Cinderella and kind of changes some things basically.

We'll get into that a little bit later. The film

was released on February of 2007. It was rated

G. Came right out to direct DVD. Do you remember

this one? I know you said, Mike, that for the

second one, you weren't even aware that it had

come out or that they were doing this type of

thing. By the time the third one comes out, you

know, three years ago, were you aware of it by

then? Oh, yeah. I actually saw a commercial for

this and I'm like, for some strange reason, seeing

a commercial for this coming out on DVD actually

got me excited because I was like, Wait, what

the hell are they doing now? They're literally

a twist in time and then I said part of the commercial

was and You know, I don't normally do this but

spoilers part of the commercial was that the

stepmother had the wand and was doing all this

crazy evil crap. And I'm like, what the hell

are they doing to this movie? And I believe I

never actually got it on DVD. I actually wish

I still had. I wish I had gotten it on DVD, but

I'd seen it somehow I might have seen it through

like Amazon, you know download or rental or I

had seen it somehow I don't remember exactly

how I know it wasn't through iTunes because Heaven

forbid anything that Disney does classic Disney

animation is in iTunes I Really enjoyed this

one. It was it was different and I don't know.

I just I didn't have any real issues with this

This is one of those ones just like Cinderella

2 they both came out when I was working retail,

you know So I was working specifically in an

electronics slash entertainment department So

I was actually responsible for putting every

new DVD out on the shelves So I was definitely

aware that both of these came out because I had

to put them on the shelves for the first time

But for me, it was always something where I saw

it and I was like, oh my god They're redoing

something from 50 years ago Um, and I never paid

a second attention to it. I never saw it. I never

did anything. Of course, I'm against that type

of thing, so I wouldn't have. Um, so it was,

to me it was, yeah, I was aware it came out and

I went in one ear and out the other. Oh. What

about you, Tara? Oh, man. Um, well... When it

first came out, I did run to the local video

store and I did rent it out. Did you literally

run? I did run. Nice. Because I was excited for

this because it looked better than two, I'll

tell you that. Yeah, it does. But then when I

watched it, again, I was disappointed because

maybe it's me and I don't understand the whole

time traveling business, but I was just like,

no, the stepmother cannot have the wand. She

can't reverse time. Like, what is this? Like,

come on. I mean, I just didn't, I didn't want

to see that happen. I didn't want to see Cinderella,

you know, her whole fairy tale ending, you know,

that was already established in number one and

number two. I didn't want to see that, you know,

reversed. I wanted to see, you know, what else

can they do with this film? But this was just,

it was, you know, I was, it was blah. Like, I

wanted, I'm tempted to. I'm interested to see

what other females think about this one I wonder

if it's more of a male female thing because I

Can't believe I'm saying this but I'm kind of

with Mike on this one. I actually I Don't necessarily

like it But I think it was a good concept. I

was interested at the beginning I was interested

at the whole fact that what they were gonna do

and and the idea of it when we get to the actual

show I'll give what I have as far as problems

with it and what parts I liked about it. But

as far as the original concept, I'm not against

the concept of going back in time in this movie.

Exactly. So getting into the characters and voice

actors, it's pretty much the same cast as the

second film. Yeah, it's the same cast. There's

a few characters, obviously, that we're not going

to have that were in the second one. Thank God.

Yeah, it's the same cast from the second one.

It's the same characters from the first one,

plus Prudence. Oh, damn, I thought she was gone.

No, she's in this one. So it's the same characters

from the first one with the addition of Prudence,

the exact same cast as the second one. Yes. So

our comments from the second one have been, you

know, just back and listen to them. You already

listen to him go back and listen to him again.

I'm not gonna repeat myself this well for me

see see See cuz this was a cut for me. This was

a completely different film whereas is I mean

the voice acting Right, but I mean still even

so this still to me was a completely different

film because I had missed out on dreams come

true When it first got released thank God But

for me this one it's Pretty much, even though

it's slightly different than the original voice

actors that did Lady Tremaine. Just actually

going back up here to make sure. Let's see. This

to me, Eleanor Oddly, even though she didn't

do this one obviously, but this to me was as

close as you can get to Eleanor Oddly. And with

putting a wand in her hand, I'm like, oh, all

she needs now is some black horns and a cape,

and she's Maleficent. So who is it has your care?

I mean we set it for the second one We might

as well do it again as your character favorite

character changed For this one Probably not.

I I like Cinderella in this one as well. And

again, it's because I have a crush on them for

hell. But anyway But I also like the prince because

it shows more of you know Like we said the problem

with the second one was it was three individual

stories And with this one, it shows more of them,

Cinderella and the prince, rather than stuff

that's going on around them. Because the story

directly affects them. Well, it's the first time

you really get a good look at the prince. I mean,

I kind of started, I mean, like I said, I started

liking the prince in the second one. In this

one, I really liked the prince because you finally

got a good look at him. I mean, I liked Cinderella

more than I did in the other one, too. So I like

both of them but I think this was like spotlight

on the prints there for a while. He gets more

screen time in number three. Which is good because

Barnes does a good job with him and they do a

good job with giving you know the development

of his character. Especially compared to the

first one because he's the prince is hardly a

character in it to me in the first one He's like

a side effect side character, but I mean I know

he's crucial to the story But it's like they

did nothing with him in the first movie And I

really like to see them kind of unleashing the

harness and let him be a character in this one

He's definitely a hero though. He's definitely

a hero in this film Yeah, and I know people are

gonna crucify me for keep going back to this,

but because this was made in 2007, you had already

had Christopher Daniel Barnes and Jennifer Hale

have all that chemistry in Spider -Man. So they

have worked together before, not only just in

Cinderella 2, but on other projects. So the two

of them as actors and actress, they're going

to have chemistry together to bring to the role.

And I don't think they did that as well in Cinderella

2 because, as I said, Cinderella 2 basically

almost didn't really focus on them at all. This

one, the thing good about this one is the amount

of development they give to the characters that

had no development before. Exactly. I mean, you

see more of the prince, you see a little bit

more on the king's side, you know, so you get

to see a little bit more of these characters.

I do actually like Lady Tremaine in this one.

I know it's weird because I've hated all the

Tremaines in all of them, but I don't know, I

thought she was kind of cool in this one. She

wasn't as... Don't know she didn't put like turn

me off as much as she did in the other movies

What was your least favorite Mike? It's probably

gonna Imprudence is is a big giveaway It's probably

gonna have to be It's it's gotta be it just Jack

just isn't the same. I don't dislike him, but

he's just there still because it's Rob and not

Jimmy. It's just it's not the original Jack.

You're Jackass. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm

not saying I absolutely hate it. You dislike

Jack more than you dislike Drizella. Well, no,

but is Drizella even in this? Drizella, she's

not in it as much as she was in the first and

second, but she does play a part in the third

film. She plays a very annoying part and kind

of, she's very bitchy in the third one. Oh yeah,

yeah, Drizella would have to take it, but I mean,

just as far as differences, and I know Kevin's

asking for least favorite, but it just, to me...

Jack, although Rob did an awesome job with him,

I didn't get the same comedy bits from this one

as I did in the first film. I differ with you

in that opinion. I'm not saying it was bad. No,

I found Jack hilarious in this one. Not necessarily

hilarious, but I liked him. What's your least

favorite character, Tara? Oh, definitely, it's

gotta be Trezalla. Yeah, to me, this one's a

runaway for Drizella. 100%. She's so juvenile

in the third film, just because, I mean, when,

of course, when the set mother gets the wand

and they're in the palace, you know, Cinderella

goes and confronts them and tries to set things

right, she acts like a little girl. Yeah. She's

like, yeah, I got the wand, you lose, ha, ha,

ha. Right. Like, what, are you a four -year -old

or are you a grown woman? Yeah, she's like the

jealous little sister or big sister. I don't

know if she's supposed to be older or younger,

but she's just annoying and at least Anastasia

redeems herself in this one. Yeah. So you can't

really say it's Anastasia as your least favorite.

I mean, I couldn't say that, but yeah, to me,

it's a runaway for Drizella because I like Lady

Tremaine even a little bit better in this one.

My only really complaint about voice acting in

this movie is I don't understand why they didn't

have Jennifer Hale as the actual voice and singing

voice because Jennifer Hale can belt out a few

good tunes. I don't know why they had to have

a separate singing voice for Cinderella. Got

me there. Yeah, I'm not sure. You have to take

it up with your crush. Uh, so getting into the

behind the scenes stuff, uh, again. Uh, well,

no, um, Ron J. Friedman. Oh, hi, hi Mr. Transformer.

He's pretty much the only one. The interesting

thing about this one is it's, uh, Disney Australia's

final feature. Um, the studio was closed and

equipment auctioned off once Cinderella 3 production

completed in 2006. Unlike the previous sequel,

Cinderella 2, which was made mostly in Japan,

Cinderella 3, animators were given meticulous

model sheets and extensive live action sequences

for animation reference, and it was basically

all done in Australia, so this is the final chapter

for them, I guess. I don't know where I went

after that, but... I think that, you know, overall,

this story, you know, as far as what the writers

did with it, it's a fairly, you know, front to

back story, and there really isn't too many convoluted

things in here. Before we get into the actual

show and stuff, now that I'm looking at, like,

part of this plot, I seriously think you could

do without... anything that happened in Cinderella

2 and just make this the second film. Because

it specifically states in here, the film starts

on the first anniversary of Cinderella and Prince

Charming. That makes no sense. Why would you

have the second film where it's supposed to,

you know, find them after, I mean, unless it

was like right after, I think they even said

it was right after the honeymoon, so I can kind

of see that, but I mean, still, why not just

do this as the... This is what they should have

done. This is exactly what they should have done.

This should have been the second movie. The second

movie should not exist. We didn't need Cinderella

2. We did not need Cinderella 2 because if you

look closely at number 3, there are things in

it continuity -wise that do not make sense in

terms of Cinderella 2. They conflict each other.

I think they basically did ignore Cinderella

2 besides bringing Prudence in. So and she like

I know she's not the lead in the horrible character

I mean, I guess it's fine that she's in there

But that's the only thing that from Cinderella

to that seems like it made it into the Cinderella

three. Everything else was ignored. Yeah You

want you want the plot? Yep Basically, the mice

and the Fairy Godmother are surprised and Cinderella

and Prince Charming in the woods there for their

first anniversary. And what happens is, Anastasia

kind of spies and overlooks on what's going on

and sees Fairy Godmother use her wand to do some

magic. The fairy godmother eventually drops her

wand in front of Anastasia who then takes it

back to her evil mother Lady Tremaine and basically

what happens is they figure out that the magical

wand is what Cinderella had or what the fairy

godmother had used to help Cinderella in the

original movie to win her over with the prince

etc etc. So Lady Tremaine decides to use the

wand, first of all she turns the Fairy Godmother

into stone, which was kind of intense, and she

decides to use the wand to travel back in time

to undo what the magic did in the first place

and get one of her stepdaughters, or one of her

daughters, excuse me, with the prince like she

wanted in the beginning. So the whole story is

her basically trying to get the prince to marry

Anastasia instead. Now... They go back to when

the slipper is being tried on That's the time

where she picks to go back to and she uses the

magic so that the slipper fits Anastasia and

then she uses the magic to basically erase the

memory of the prince and make it so that he thinks

Anastasia is the girl etc etc and the rest of

the movie is basically Cinderella and the mice

trying to convince the prince and right the wrong

so that Cinderella again ends up with the prince

in the end. So I'm skipping a whole lot, but

that's basically the plot. Yeah, my only problem

with this is at the very end. See, my only problem

is at somewhat at the beginning. I have a problem

with this film. From beginning to end. No, not

just the beginning to end. I think it's just

two scenes really bug me that I just don't seem

would fit in this story. Cloning Cinderella,

turning Anastasia into Cinderella. If you remember

that part. And the second part is the carriage

ride. I'm calling it the carriage ride from hell

because that's basically what it is. Okay. You

got Cinderella trapped in this, you know, pumpkin.

You got Lucifer turned human into a really rather

grotesque looking human trying to kill her. Yeah.

That's kind of disturbing. And you even hear

her say in the film, make sure they don't come

back. Okay, obviously stepmother wants to get

rid of Cinderella once and for all. That's pretty

dark for a kids movie if you think about it.

Yeah. Killing off Cinderella. You know, that's

the only two issues I had with it, especially

just the carriage scene, because that just, even

now, I'm like, oh, god. It's like the boat ride

in the original Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Yes. It's like just kind of creepy. It's creepy.

It's trippy. It's just, it's weird. What was

your problem with it, Mike? The Furry Godmother

offers to reverse the timeline back to the original

one. before Lady Tremaine, but Cinderella declines

knowing that no matter what, she will still be

happy with Charming. What I want to know is what

would have happened if Tremaine never got the

wand? What was that original timeline? I hate

when anything does stories like that. Seriously,

because you never know. This new timeline where

they are in love, maybe the original timeline,

they... Got into a hissy fit and divorced each

other. I don't know. You just don't know. And

it makes me curious as to what was going to happen

in that other timeline. Well, that's why you

look forward to a fourth movie. No, I'm just

kidding. No, we won't ever get a fourth movie.

No, we don't want a fourth movie. Well, besides

the fact that we don't want one, we won't ever

get one because Disney has stopped the direct

-to -DVD sequels. Oh, they could start it back

up again, bring it out of the vault. Anyways,

I love the idea specifically. I know many different

franchises have done the whole time traveling

thing. I get that. But I think it perfectly fits

in this one because in this one you literally

had the good characters using magic to get something

accomplished. So you could literally go back

and just change one event that... was crucial

and then have it your way and I like the idea

that that's what they did with this third one

as far as just let's go back and fix it type

thing as far as Lady Tremaine was going. My problem

is why would she pick the time she went back

to? Why go back to the point when you're already

trying on the slipper when the prince has already

danced with Cinderella and fallen in love with

her? Why not go back farther? I didn't get that

either. I mean, I know for story purposes that's

why they did, you know, they had to do it because

they had to have this memory between the Cinderella

and Prince because that's how they end up back

together. But if you're Lady Tremaine, you go

back before the ball and make sure Cinderella

never goes. Well, I think the reason why they

did it the way they did it was because again,

like what Tara was saying, you don't do the whole

transformation thing with Anastasia. That's why

they did it. Well, I realize why they did it,

but it makes no sense from Lady Tremaine's part.

If you're looking in the plot Lady Tremaine was

a moron because if you go back to before the

ball and you turn with your wand you turn the

fairy godmother into stone again or whatever

She can't do anything with Cinderella Cinderella

never goes never meets the prince problem solved.

That's true. I agree with that So I understand

from the writers standpoint why they did what

they did and they needed to have the story But

as far as a character it makes Lady Tremaine

an idiot Yes, that was a huge flaw. I like her

a little bit more in this movie because she has

the wand and she has some actual power and she

can do things rather than just try to be the

one bitching in the background, but she made

a critical error when she went back to. Other

than that, I really don't have too many problems

with the third movie. I got a little bored at

the end, I think, because it seemed like... They

set up everything well as far as, you know, I

like the idea that Cinderella knows that the

prince is supposed to love her and she knows

that she was the one that he fell in love with

and something's wrong and the mice have kind

of figured it out and I realize, you know, it's

a perfect plot as far as them trying to come

up with a way so that the prince will figure

it out and so everything will go back to normal.

But then after that it kind of gets a little,

to me it gets a little convoluted where the whole

last, I don't know, 20 or 30 minutes just I don't

know, it just didn't flow well with me. I don't

know if it was the crazy, you know, what are

we calling the crazy carriage ride or the turning

Anastasia into Cinderella, but the last part

of this movie kind of lost a little for me too.

It was like, what? It was a great, like I said,

I liked the concept, I liked the buildup, and

then it just didn't produce at the end for me.

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Mike left it left you

kind of no, I mean I agree with what Kevin's

saying but I mean just You know, I mean if you

look at this movie the way it should have been

as far as the way it should have been like the

original sequel It's okay. I mean, yeah, it's

kind of I do it with Tara that it is kind of

dark for wanting to kill Cinderella and it being

a kid's movie, but I mean but doesn't does that

a lot for other movies that came out well Look

at their first damn movie. Ugh, god. Anyway.

Do we have a favorite scene in this one, Tara?

I think my favorite scene would probably be when

the prince rescues her off the damn boat going

to god knows where. That wasn't even established

either in that movie. Yeah. That was just, it

was like, I, you know. Correct me if I'm wrong,

but when the prince just swinged around and did

the whole knife thing through the sail, didn't

that remind you of Peter Pan? Little bit. Little

bit, yeah. That was just cool. I mean, because

you don't really see him do anything in terms

of action -wise in one or two. Three, he gets

a lot of screen time and he gets a lot of action.

So that was just an awesome scene. The prince

is also involved in my favorite scene, and this

is an absolute no -brainer again for me, is because

I love the fact that they put in or inserted

a scene with the prince and the king in which

they comment on the ridiculousness of the whole

concept of the glass slipper. Like I know the

glass slipper is this iconic thing from the first

movie or whatever, but they've never touched

on how retarded this was for the prince to basically

be going around trying this slipper on, and the

first person that fits it has to be the person

he fell in love with. And I love that the king's

like, have you thought this out? What if more

than one person fits into that slipper? Or do

you realize how ridiculous it is to try to have

every single person try this on? And I love how

they kind of not nearly made fun of the first

one in a way, but that they at least Acknowledged

that there was a part of the first one that was

kind of ridiculous So I love that they put that

scene in there I thought it was really well done

by both the the voice actors involved and the

animators and and I just really love that scene

Yeah, I think for me with this one. I think my

favorite scene I know this is bad, but I think

my favorite scene was seeing The stepmother with

the wand just go to yeah, just her using the

wand for every little thing I thought that was

kind of cool And it was interesting because you

you weren't quite sure what was gonna happen

when she pointed that wand at something. Yep

You're like, oh what's gonna happen now and the

wrong person has the power No, if I would have

picked that one if it wasn't for that slipper

scene and I just I just love the slipper scene

too much Yes As far as the music in this one,

the original songs contained in the body of the

film, including Perfectly Perfect, More Than

a Dream, and At the Ball were written by frequent

Disney songwriters Alan Zachary and Michael Weiner.

Who was involved in some of the classic Disney

movies of the 90s too. pennant here performed

the end credits song i still believe and music

videos created as a dvd bonus feature in the

official soundtrack has yet to be released never

heard of hate in planetary she's in here as uh...

well hate that show so it's most cool shows that's

not a cool show i don't think it's that's a ripoff

of x -men that's all that is rare or that is

such a poor ripoff of x -men all you're either

But you hate Lost and Family Guy, so shut up.

Family Guy sucks. You know, it's nothing but

Simpson's knockoff. Oh, please. It's so much

fun. Simpson's copycat. Anyways, getting into

the legacy segment here, Cinderella 3 received

mostly positive response among the five critics

compiled at Rotten Tomatoes, who gave it a 67

% rating. However, some fans of the original

Cinderella... Are unhappy with this turn installment

of the series and the film scored only 45 % amongst

users had rotten tomatoes Well, it's better than

zero Yeah, I don't know it's How do you score

zero I don't even know I Don't even know. Oh,

it's so terrible. But this one had to do better

and obviously it did so That's a good thing,

though. Yeah. Cinderella 3, A Twist in Time,

was released on February 2007 and went back into

the Disney Vault in January 2008. So both of

the second and third one are in the vault, so

you can't go buy them. Actually, all of them

are, but you can get them on Amazon or eBay.

You can probably find them in a bargain bin somewhere.

Yeah, that's probably true. Actually, if you

look on Amazon, I'm sure they cost more than

what they're worth. As far as these special features,

there's games and activities, bibbidi -bopbidi

-boo game, Cinderella's Ballroom, DVD -ROM, music

and more, I Still Believe music video, Backstage

Disney, Backstage at Disney Cruise Lines, Twice

Charmed, first look at the new DVD, Disney Princess

Enchanted Tales. Yeah, those features kinda suck.

The music video was pretty good, though. I'll

give it that. Final thoughts on all three movies,

Mike? Or what did you think? How do you rank

them? How do you sum it up? First and the third

one. First is obviously the best one, but the

third one comes in as a close second. Cinderella

2 does not exist. How about you, Tara? I'll say

I have to agree. I'll say first and then third.

And 2 can go stay in the vault. Two can be lost

in the vault somewhere Yeah, as weird as this

is I'm gonna agree with both of you One is the

classic one is like I said It was better to me

than a couple of the other Disney movies out

at the time Not as good as some of the stuff

that would come later Cinderella 2 is god -awful

terrible and Cinderella 3 for an animated sequel

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