Titan A.E. Review

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no longer a threat. Hey, it's me, it's Cale.

Humans. The Titan was the key to finding the

new homeworld. Your father hid the Titan. He

knew the Dredge would come after him. The only

way to find it is in your hand. Me? The Dredge

wants you only dead. How do you know they want

me dead? I happen to be humanity's last great

hope. I weep for the species. And welcome to

the 68th episode of Tooncast brought to you by

the Geekcast Radio Network. I'm your host, Steve,

John, Mike, and tonight I'm joined once again

by Kevin, Optimus Solo Thompson. Hello, sir.

Good day, mate. How are you? I am. Let's see,

what's the word for today? I'm wonderful. I couldn't

come up with anything good. Yes. And this is

the only other time in Tooncast's lifespan where

I break the year rule because the timeline rule

because of the simple fact that today we're going

to be talking about Titan AE which came out in

2000. I love this film. I feel like we're going

in the future. No, we're not going into the future

yet. No, no, no, I don't know. This is not 65

years in the future. This is not spring 2011

or well, actually only 20 years in the future.

No, no, no. It's 65 years in the future. Get

the joke right, damn it. No, this is not 65 years

in the future. That won't happen until fall of

next year, fall of 2011. So, yes. What else you

been up to? Let's see. I was working like a dog

outside yesterday and I think I sweated enough

to feel like, I don't know, an ocean of sweat.

But it was too hot to be outside, but I was outside

anyways doing more landscaping stuff. But let's

see, what's the latest cool stuff that's going

on? Latest cool stuff going on is... I am finally

working on putting together a commercial section

for BehindTheVoiceActors .com. I just have to

make a few administrative decisions here on how

it's going to be organized and then I'm going

to start knocking it out and hopefully it will

be visible to the public in the next week or

two. Yeah, and ever since you found that video

last week, which you got confused and it wasn't

part of USA Cartoon Express, but it was ABC's

Bumpers I can't stop watching a damn thing But

uh, yeah the commercial section at BTBA will

be filled so with stuff like Answering the questions

for all those people as far as like who did the

voice of who are the different voices of Captain

Crunch and who are the different voices of Tony

the tiger and You know all sorts of cool commercial

characters. So I thought that was the point of

the voice compare Well, this is this is something

where you'll be able to see even ones that didn't

have more than one voice like who did the voice

of Let's see the Hawaiian punch character. That's

only been done by one voice. So it's it'll Answer

all those questions on who did the voices of

commercial characters? So it's kind of cool and

then eventually there will be some voice compares

where we can actually compare the actual sound

clips Yeah, we actually Hopefully I can get in

contact with them again. But yeah, we actually

interviewed two of them Yep. Well, same guy,

but two different voices. Count Chocula and Sonny

the Cogapuff's bird. Yep. Yep. And they'll be,

they'll be, I mean, it'll run the gamut. It'll

run from, like, you know, those serial characters

to, like, who are the voices of the red, orange,

yellow, and green, and blue M &Ms to the voice

of the Geico gecko and all kinds of stuff like

that. Ugh. So it'll be fun. I hate those damn

commercials. I love the Geico commercials. Dude,

I... Except for the caveman ones, I hate the

caveman ones. I, you know, they always say that

they've been around for like, I don't know, 50,

60 some odd years. I swear to God, I remember

a lot of commercials from the 80s. There's no

way in hell Geico has been around that long.

If they were, they weren't doing commercials

back then. Yeah, well, I so don't believe that.

They're lying to you. It's all been a lie. Wouldn't

be the first time. Well, what's going on with

you lately? Oh, let's see what's going on with

me. You can't use the word podcast in your answer.

Well, I've... Shit. Exactly. Let's see. I kind

of started watching the Matrix set. I kinda started,

I'm like, I think I'm on More Than Meets The

Eye Part 3, I don't know, because the coolest

thing, well, regardless of that, unfortunately,

which I wish they would have recorded new interviews,

but unfortunately, Shout did not carry over the

writer interviews, like Flint Dilley's, Buzz

Dixon and David Wise, from the Rhino sets, which...

Find whatever maybe they couldn't get the rights

to them, but I don't understand why they couldn't

have had new interviews done But other than that

I'm really digging the feature of Do you want

to play the multi -part episodes? Seamlessly,

so it's like one long film That gets crazy Yeah,

cuz you don't know Yeah, really well the thing

about it is though because you only have like

say you have a three -parter you have Part one

part two and then you don't see credits until

part three Yeah, and I like that Yeah, I like

that more. It's it's it's more cohesive See what

else I Actually placed an order with matty collector

comm Yeah They have a exclusive, I don't know,

how do you feel about cars? The Pixar film. Oh,

I was like, cars? I like to drive one. No, no,

no, the Pixar film. I don't know. It's, it's,

it's, I haven't seen it, so how can I comment

on it? You haven't seen it, great. Okay, well,

you're no fucking help. There's a little mini

series on Disney Channel called Cars Tunes, and

it's Mater's Tall Tales. And it basically puts

the character of Mater from the film in all these

past adventures. Well, they've made toys out

of these things, and Maddie Collector for SDCC

2010 this year had a uh... tokyo mater uh...

exclusive toy for twenty bucks so i'm like oh

i really really really really want that because

that's so cool because every time i go into like

wal -mart and i look at that kind of stuff because

right now as of this recording the only thing

last time i looked at wal -mart the only thing

they fucking have for transformers is god damn

tuner mudflap from the fucking revenge of the

fallen line but anyway Um, but every time I go

in there, you know, I look at like the superhero

squad stuff and the Marvel stuff and the DC stuff.

And I also look at the cars stuff and the, and

the, and some of the Disney stuff. Um, and the

only, uh, mater type of toy that they have is

some sort of radio control or remote control

thing. And I don't really want that. So when,

when this was announced, I was like, Oh cool.

And 20 bucks is not bad considering I believe

it's all die cast. Excellent. I think it is.

I just hope I don't think it's a model so that

that's good because if it's a model I'm screwed

because I can't put that crap together Let's

see what else what else what else I am expecting

to get in Megatron Soundwave from the War for

Cybertron Generations line hopefully Sometime

this month. I don't know whenever Big Bad Toy

Store gets them in I do have I've put up a bunch

of YouTube videos in the last couple weeks Showing

off my different optimus primes and do it I did

a video review on the on the war for Cybertron

Optimus Prime And I'll do one for bumblebee eventually

it's not happening just yet Other than that not

much else is really going on Yes, so I guess

we are gonna get into the history lesson today

all righty then Titan AE is a 2000, what? We're

in the 2000s? 2000 animated post -apolic, oh

that's good, apocalyptic science fiction adventure

film, say that twice. Directed by both Don Bluth

and Gary Goldman, the title refers to the spacecraft

that is central to the plot with AE meaning after

Earth. The film's animation technique combines

traditional hand -drawn animation and extensive

use of CGI. Its working title was Planet Ice.

Even though the film was unsuccessful at the

box office, it was well received by audiences

and critics alike and has since then become a

cult film. It is also the final film ever made

by Fox Animation Studios in Arizona before its

closure. When did you first see Titan AE? I didn't

see it in theaters unfortunately. But there was

a big push with this film, and I doubt Kevin's

a fan of this band, but every trailer and every

TV spot that I saw for this had Creed's hire

playing behind it. Oh yeah. I actually liked

Creed when they first came on the scene until

they went crazy. Yeah. Now, I absolutely loved

Creed back in the day, and there was a whole,

and this is kind of off -topic a little bit,

there's a whole war between them and Nickelback

of like, where are the music fans gonna go to

which camp? And I ended up with Nickelback, but

anyway, that's a whole other podcast. I like

Creed's early stuff, I liked Up to Weathered,

the new stuff that they've tried to come out

with lately, it's not so great, but the song

Hire was just awesome, and I think it fit this

film very well. But yeah, I saw the trailer and

then I saw like TV spots for the DVD that was

going to come out in 2000 and I absolutely had

to get this film. First of all, and we'll get

into this, for me the appeal was Matt Damon and

Drew Barrymore's voices because I thought that

was really awesome. What about you? The first

time I saw this movie was... Yesterday? two hours

ago. It's just something that I was, the year

was 2000, I was graduating high school, I was

going off to college, I was doing a thousand

different things besides watching whatever was

on TV or movies really. So it just kind of was

one of those that I missed. It kind of snuck

by me and I never caught it and for some reason

never went back and watched it afterwards. But

I did watch it today and I got mixed mixed feelings

on this one. There's a lot of part a lot of things

I like about it and a few things I just like

about it and we'll kind of get to those later

on but yeah, I don't have much of a memory of

it since I just Yeah, yeah But yeah, and I need

to say for the record for for tune casts lifespan

This will be the only Don Bluth film we ever

cover in this podcast because it is not depressing.

Every other film that that man has made is nothing

but depression. or not being into stuff like

Anastasia or Bartok. Oh, no, see, I liked Anastasia.

My main problem with Bluth and the films that

he makes is films like All Dogs Go to Heaven.

That's depressing as hell to me. Yeah, I've never

been a huge All Dogs Go to Heaven fan. I've never

even been a huge Secret of a Dim fan. But two

films that he has made I absolutely love are

An American Tale and The First. Land Before Time.

I'm not a Land Before Time geek as far as liking

all a million and two films that came out after

it, but as far as the actual original first Land

Before Time, I loved it in the theater, and An

American Tale is one of my all -time favorites.

See, for me, I had a choice between Land Before

Time or Fern Gully, and I chose Fern Gully because

Land Before Time, oh God. I love it. No, and

honestly with what we've got for the rest of

the schedule, there's no way to fit it in. We

will probably make some sort of DeLorean time

episode for some of the films, but I'm telling

you right now, I'm gonna go down his IMDB and

look through all the animation that he's done.

That's about it. Huh? I just named them all.

Titan A .E., Bartok, Anastasia, Thumbelina, Dragon's

Lair, All Dogs Go to Heaven, Land Before Time,

and American Tale. A Secret of them. Okay. Well,

yeah. Anyways. I guess we can get right into

the voice actor thing here, unless you have any

other general memories. No memories, but yeah,

we can get into some of the characters and the

voice actors. I don't know if this was Matt Damon's

first voice acting role. I'm not sure. I know

that he and Ben Affleck had just hit Hollywood.

Just, you know, they just struck gold with Good

Will Hunting three years before this. Right.

But I'm not sure if this was his first voice

acting gig. But when I saw his name attached

to this film, I was like, oh yeah, I gotta see

that. You're a big Matt Damon fan, but not a

big Don Bluth fan. Hey, shut up. Matt Damon's

from my hometown, you asshole. Don't call me

names. Call you names if this is my show, dammit.

Unless it starts with smug. Yeah, I think it

was his first voice role. I don't know him there.

Yeah, I'll have to look it up, of course. And

again, you know, the other Kevin can always comment

on the website post or call in for the voicemail

line. Drew Barrymore as Akima, which I really

quit going back to Matt Damon's character as

Kale. I see why his character acts the way he

acts when we first meet him. I mean, you would

act the same way if your planet got blown up.

Seriously! It is one of the unique movies that

actually shows Earth getting blown up, that's

for sure. And it shows it in a very, very awesome

way. Everybody needs to see this film at least

once. You don't have to own it, you just have

to see it. At least once. And then on the flip

side of the two leads here, you got Drew Barrymore,

who was born as a drifter colony, or drifter

colonist. I was going to say drifter colony bum,

but she's not a bum. But anyway. um... uh...

akima um... i nearly fainted when i saw the purple

hair i'm like oh yeah that's that's hot that's

hot as hell oh my no but uh... but yeah so you

got kael and you got akima which are basically

your two uh... lead uh... good good characters

and then of course you got uh... old joseph corso

who is the captain of the valkyrie uh... voiced

by Bill Pullman of Spaceballs fame, and basically

he's both good and bad. He heads the crew, he's

the captain of the ship Valkyrie, which Akeem

is the pilot of, and basically he switches sides

more than once during the movie. He's good, he's

bad, he's good again, so he's an interesting

character. Yeah, yeah he is, and plus he was

the original driver of Kale's father. Oh crap,

what's the damn father's name? Sam. Right, Professor

Sam Tucker. Yeah, Sam Tucker in the beginning.

I will say, while we're on the Corso character,

that for some reason the way they animated his

facial expressions in the movie... Bug the crap

out of me. I thought I loved Bill Pullman as

the voice and I think that was perfect for him

and But for some reason just some of the animation

of his like facial expressions and and stuff

like that for some reason Just didn't seem to

gel with me. It didn't necessarily hit me with

any of the other characters But with him, I just

didn't like how they animated his facial expressions

With the three main characters, whether they're

good guys, bad guys, as far as the main cast

of Kale, Akima, and Corso here, I honestly think,

I don't know, I would have to do some more research

on this, and I didn't find it when I was doing

the research for this episode, but I honestly

think they used motion capture or something back

then to capture their faces, because Kale almost

looks, outside of blonde hair, adult kale look

his face looks just like madame ins same thing

with course so he looks just like bill pullman

except he has a goatee thing whatever uh... and

then of course uh... some of the other characters

that we see on the actual valkyrie uh... you

have goon which is voiced by john leah zamo this

is something but i'm sorry for our people find

him annoying I'm sorry to interrupt you, but

this is the only other film besides a certain

plumber film that I can actually watch him in.

I do not care for John Leguizamo whatsoever.

So you don't like Don Bluth or John Leguizamo?

We're learning new stuff today, folks. A lot

of people find his character kind of annoying

in this movie, the character of Goon. I did not

find it that annoying, though. I actually thought

it was funny. Yeah, I thought it was a good good

touch to add in you know like all sci -fi or

fantasy things you seem like you always have

to have that comic relief You know diminutive

character and and yeah goon is basically that

and then go ahead I was gonna say I finished

my nap We'll talk about that later and then the

other two people on the the ship with them are

preed who is Corso's first mate, who is voiced

by Nathan Lane, and then Stith, who is voiced

by Janine Garofalo. And can I just ask you a

question? What in the hell is Stith? I honestly

don't know. She looks like she's some sort of

butch animation of Janine Garofalo. I don't know.

It is the weirdest looking character I think

I've ever seen, and I don't know what it's supposed

to be. well it says here she's a kangaroo like

alien that's the only thing you can kind of compare

it to but it's just weird looking yeah it is

and i like the look of preed but stith just what

is that it's funny that you mentioned preed because

at first i because i hadn't like i've got this

in itunes is where i watched it because i've

had it in itunes for i don't know a couple years

um and when i watched it and i first saw preed

and i'm like okay i know that voice but and I

know it was some guy named Nathan and at first

I thought it was Nathan Fillion and I I was gonna

make that comment here and I know you know if

we have any Nathan Fillion fangirls no it's not

him unfortunately for you fangirl people it is

Nathan Lane which does an excellent job as that

character Yeah, I think it's I think he's great

and I like that that that's like kind of a classic

favorite character in the film is Creed and you

know I just really like the look of him. I'm

not a huge Nathan Lane fan, but he didn't bug

me that much in this role I like him in certain

things I liked him It just depends on what kind

of character. He's playing really is a weird

group of this is a weird casting No for for the

entire film or film I mean you go you go from

Matt Damon who's kind of like this You know action

star person you have Drew Barrymore who's kind

of you know classic Hollywood You got Bill Pullman

who's kind of on the outside. You know he's kind

of like a I don't know not like main Leading

role these days, but then you got go from like

Leggiz Amo to Nathan Lane to Janine Garofalo

Okay, now hold on. Yeah, I I agree. It is all

over the place Yeah, and then and then you go

from Garofalo to clay face Yeah Ron Perlman was

Professor Sam Tucker Kale's father who was forced

to leave his son to hide the Titan ship from

the dredge or the dredger, I don't know how else

it's stupid name, whatever, and is killed when

he refuses to disclose the titan's location to

them. Ron Perlman is an awesome voice actor.

He did very well as Clayface in Batman the Animated

Series. He pops up in animation in places I don't

often expect to see him in animation. And then

you had Alex D Linz as the young kale You had

the wild thing Tom Loke as And then Jim Brewer

as the cook yeah another famous Jim the probably

the most famous voice actor on this cast obviously

Jim Cummings And this is the guy who's beaten

up the guy who's beaten up kale early on in the

film. Yeah Overall, I, you know, even though

you said it was, you know, it's a strange casting

to have all these people in this, I don't think

anybody could have done it any better than what

they did. I think the voice acting was one of

the strong things in this film, in my opinion.

I thought the voices were really well done. It's

a weird mix of people, but it works for the film

because obviously you have a weird group of aliens

slash human slash, you know, weird creature type

things. So it's kind of, it fits that they have

this mixture. But yeah, I think the voice acting

overall is one of my highlights of the film.

Yeah. And I think for favorite characters, at

least for me, and probably have to be Kale, just

because he's the quote -unquote hero of the thing,

I guess. It's probably a tie between Kale and

Goon. I didn't really care for Pree'd, the character.

I mean, I almost said Fillion. Lain does a very

good job with the voice, but I don't care for

that character. And Stith, ugh. It's really all

I can say about her is, ugh. For me, you know,

if Corso's facial expressions wouldn't have bugged

me so much, he might have been one of my favorite

characters, but I think I'd have to go with either

Akima or Preet as my two favorites. And then

my least favorites are Stith and the dredge alien

people, because I just didn't like how they were

done. I thought they could have been much better.

I mean, I thought that they were done fairly

well. I think it was... I didn't really like

the language that they used. No, actually, I

liked the language and that they were all weird.

I just didn't like the look of them as much as

I hope. I was hoping for something a little more,

I don't know, a little more detailed. I like

the look of their ships, the... The space fighters.

The TIE fighters? Yeah. Yeah, pretty much they

are. I swear they even use the same sounds as

the TIE fighters shooting. No, I don't think

so. It sounded exactly like Star Wars sound effects

in some parts. Well, actually, you know, there

is a rip -off scene here from Star Wars, and

I'll point it out once we get to the plot. You

probably know what I'm talking about though.

Yeah. Do we have anything else we want to say

about voice acting? No, you know, like I said,

that's for me one of the highlights of the film.

Oh boy. We'll get to some low lights later on.

Alright, so getting into the behind the scenes

segment here. Titan A became the first major

motion picture to take part in the end -to -end

digital cinema. On June 6, 2010, days before

the movie was released at a Supercom 2000 trade

show, The movie was projected simultaneously

at the trade show in Atlanta, Georgia, as well

as a screen in Los Angeles, California. It was

sent to both screens from the 20th Century Fox

production facilities in Los Angeles via a VPN.

Hmm, that's interesting. Apparently there's a

bunch of prequels to this, which I knew nothing

about. All in the form of comic books and novels.

Yeah, yeah. So if you want to know more about

Kale's story, Akima's story, or Kale's father

Sam's story, you can pick up some Dark Horse

comics or some couple different books and learn

more about them. Yes, and we've kind of already

talked about Don Bluth, so I think that's kind

of done already. Gary Goldman, I'm gonna have

to look up what else he's done. I don't everything

that Don Bluth has done Gary Goldman's done.

Okay. Well, there you go I'm surprised to see

this name Ard Vitello Cuz hello Looney Tunes.

Yeah. Yeah It's a it's a pretty good direct.

I think it's a pretty good direction team with

those three. Oh, yeah No, I don't have a problem

with it at least for this film, but I was very

surprised to see that part of the screenplay

was done by Joss Whedon. Yeah, I'm not familiar

with that. Joss Whedon, Buffy, Angel. Oh, I don't

watch those shows. Sorry. Don't get me started.

Oh god, here we go. So let's see here getting

into the actual show in 3028 ad humanity has

Deep space travel and it interacted with several

alien species however a human experimental discovery

called project Titan has caused the dredge a

species of made of pure energy to become alarmed

and attack the human race as the dredge prepare

to destroy earth professor Sam Tucker and lead

researcher for project Titan gives his son kale

along with a Broken Toy, project console called

Titan Pro, a ring and sends Cale on one of the

evacuation ships with his alien friend Tech,

the university student. Meanwhile, Sam Tucker

takes the Titan Pro and other members of his

team and fly the Titan spacecraft from Earth

and into hyperspace. The dredge destroy Earth

and the remainder of the human species become

drifters and are generally ridiculed by other

species. What are your initial thoughts of the

opening here? The opening is the best part of

the movie. I like the voiceover done at the beginning

by Ron Perlman. I like the way they set it up

where you basically have Earth under attack.

People fleeing, Earth being destroyed, the Moon

being destroyed, everybody left being destroyed,

and then you have these, you know, basically

these drifters, um, you know, out in space trying

to do whatever they can do to survive and whatnot.

And I like the setup. Unfortunately, that's the

highlight of the film, I think. I disagree, but

we'll, we'll continue. It was a great opening.

It was great how they showed Earth destroyed.

I agree with that part. I'm disagreeing with

the part that you say that's the highlight of

the entire film because I just - It's the best

part of the film. It's the best ten minutes of

the film. Or five minutes, however long it is.

The rest of it becomes very predictable. Okay

then. Fifteen years after Earth's destruction,

Kale, now working in a salvage yard in an asteroid

belt called Tau -14, encounters the human captain,

Joseph Corso, who requests Kale's help to find

the Titan. Kale is initially reluctant, but agrees

when Corso activates Kale's ring to show a map

on his hand, leading to the Titan. The yard is

attacked by Dresh and the two escape on Corso's

ship, the Valkyrie. Kale is introduced to the

other members of Corso's alien crew, including

his sly first mate, Breed, an astrogator called

Goon, a cranky female weapon expert named Stiff.

The only other human is a co -pilot, Akima, whom

Kale finds himself immediately attracted to.

Corso explains that Professor Tucker encoded

a map in Kale's ring that would lead them to

the Titan, which is humanity's only chance at

having a real future. They travel to the planet

Cestrine, where the bat -like Gowl race helps

Kale to understand how to interpret the map and

discover the Titan to be hidden in the Andali

Nebula. As the group is leaving there, attacked

by the Dresh and Kale and Akima are captured.

That's on this this whole thing here This part's

not horrible, but it just starts it basically

Introduces some plot aspects that are gonna be

repeated over and over in the film In the I don't

know. I just hate the fact that they felt the

need to first of all let's throw in oh we have

to have a romantic tie -in so let's have two

human characters and they're gonna fall for each

other immediately and and that'll be an underlined

plot or theme throughout the rest of the movie

that's not necessary in sci -fi and that's I

hate it when I don't know there was too much

too short of a time period and too much to do

just to throw that in there so I don't care for

that even though Akima was hot but uh and then

the whole space chase thing is one of my main

issues here and this is the first time we see

it when the dredge is coming after them. If you

watch the movie and you count there is at least

four to four or five different you know two to

six minute segments where it's a space chase.

It's like we're gonna do this part of the plot,

and then there's gonna be a chase, and then we're

gonna continue the plot, and then there's gonna

be a chase, and then we're gonna get a further

end of the plot, and let's throw another chase

in there, and it just got redundant for me. If

they would have only done that a couple times,

I would have been fine with it, and I would not

have had a problem with it, but seeing one space

chase after the other kind of got to me. Maybe

you didn't bother, maybe you didn't find the

constant space chase as annoying, but you know,

like I said, there was just a couple too many.

Yeah, I see I like the movie all the way through

so it doesn't really have any effect on me The

Dredge eventually discarded Kima sending her

off into space in a pod while they extract the

Titan map from Kale Kale eventually escapes in

a Dredge fighter and regroups with the Valkyrie

Hello Luke Skywalker Yeah Because seriously if

you look at that scene And when he's, you know,

coming out and he's following the other fighters

out, the other fighters of the dredge go left,

he goes right. That's the exact same scene when

Luke goes to, uh, uh, day, but whatever the hell

the stupid Yoda plan. Yeah. I can't pronounce.

Um, that's the exact same. Yeah. There's a lot

of rip -offs here, and this is another thing

that I don't like is that It's going fine. You

know we have this this space There this whole

setup where the story is actually progressing

fairly well when they're doing the plot here

because you have The dredge basically getting

what they want and now we're supposed to basically

assume that they are gonna head to try to destroy

or capture the Titan And so you have this whole

setup where it's kind of setting up some urgency

for Kale and his group because you basically

have the bad guys in control going to destroy

what we want to protect and what we want to get.

And then they go into some scenes where Kale

is like learning how to fly and learning how

to pilot and going on like this Joyride test,

you know, like he's getting his driver's license.

No, no, wait a minute. Come on now. It wasn't

really that wasn't what that was about. It was

horrible. It wasn't. Oh, you got to go get the

bad guys. You got to go stop them. They're like,

oh, I'm learning to fly for the first time. It's

bad. And I mentioned earlier about information

that we may miss that the other Kevin can call

in. He's calling in right now as we're recording

episode 68. We'll get his message later. Yeah,

we'll get it later. I just thought it was ill

timing for them to that was there. I know that,

you know, with lead characters you kind of have

to progress their character and you kind of have

this whatever coming of age or like growing up

and taking responsibility and when he becomes

a man type thing, but... To have him learning

how to pilot the Valkyrie while it's probably

the most crucial time in the plot seemed misplaced

to me. They could have found a different time

to do that. But they... See, that's the thing,

though. I mean, they're going to find the Titan

anyway, so it's not like they're diverting off

the path for him to learn how to fly the ship.

It just seems odd. Well, and the other thing

is you have to figure in, you know, this is all

about, it's all about marketing. As well, because

you wouldn't have, well, I guess they would have

made the song anyway, but you wouldn't have the

song by The Urge. Oh, I love that damn song,

hell's a damn damn song. Learn to Fly. I'm not

learning to fly, that's a Foo Fighters song.

It's my turn to fly. Yeah, that's it. I just

thought, I don't have a problem with the song.

The song was good. The scene was actually fine

of him flying. It was just at the wrong time

of the plot for me. It was too urgent for them

to go after the bad guys. If it would have been

earlier on when he first met the crew or something,

or if it would have been at a different point,

I would not have had a problem. It just seemed

like it was misplaced. Like, no, this is the

time where you got to get the hell out of there

and go catch up to the bad guys. Do we talk about

the fact that they... No, we haven't talked about

that yet. So let's see here... So after he regroups

from escaping, they find Akima's pod and she's

on this human drifter colony called New Bangkok.

Which... Why New Bangkok? That's kind of strange,

but... to make repairs and prepare for the final

trip to the Titan. However, Kale and Akeema overhear

an argument between Corso and the Dredge Queen

and discover that Corso and Pried are working

with the Dredge to try and destroy the Titan.

In exchange for money, they escape from the Valkyrie,

but Akeema is shot and wounded by Pried in the

chase. They are stranded on the colony as Corso

and the rest continue to Titan's location. With

the help of the other humans, Kale and Akeema

repair and refit the Phoenix, one of the colony's

derelict spaceships, and race off to find the

Titan before the Valkyrie reaches it. Great and

then horrible sequence. First of all, I love

the violence that you get in it You actually

get some violence here in kids animation type

movie where you get Akima being shot. That's

great but My problem with this whole part of

the plot is this the dredge have had a big -time

head start at getting to Titan Meanwhile, we've

already had kill learning to fly Now they had

to stop for you know, they had to pick up Akima.

They had to make some repairs Then they had to

deal with the whole Corso and Prede thing. So

now they basically get away from them and they're

stranded on a colony. Again, they're going to

make more repairs to get a new ship. What in

the hell, excuse my language, are the Dredge

doing that's taken them so long to just get to

the... The Titan should have been destroyed by

now. It's taken them so long to get there that

the Titan should have been destroyed. And now

the Valkyrie is also ahead of Kayle and Akeema,

so they should get there first and destroyed

as well. I just... It just seemed like it took

it's taking them like all these little detours

that are like stopping for for breaks and stuff

like that and and basically You know, I just

thought the dredge should have already been to

the Titan or to destroy it But the thing is though

only kale it seems only kale can really read

the map as far as You know turning his hand and

motioning and you know, it's it's kind of like

motion signals these damn aliens blew up there

They should be able to find the ship. Well, maybe

they can't read English. I guess. Or ingrish

or whatever you want to call it. Yeah. So amid

the Andali Nebula's giant ice crystals, Kale

and Akeema find and board the Titan. During their

exploration of the massive ship, they discover

a holographic message left by Kale's now deceased

father and left the console Titan Pro. Which

reveals the true nature of project Titan and

the Titan itself the ship has the ability to

create a completely new Earth -like planet and

Has stores of all the DNA of the animal and plant

life that once lived on earth? The ability to

create a new planet from scratch is the reason

that the dredge feared humanity's potential enough

to destroy earth What the hell? uh... that now

spits now specifically it's not specifically

said that in the plot it does not i mean they

say in course of does say that you know the dredge

fears of what of what will become but it does

not specifically say in the film that the dredge

fear the humans because they can build a new

planet I'm great. This is great. Hello Hello,

we wouldn't have to build a new planet if you

hadn't fucking blown up the one we had you assholes

This is the point though They are fearful that

they are going to create a new planet so they

destroy the planet to make it so that they have

to Make a new planet that makes no goddamn sense,

but it sure doesn't but I Still love this movie

anyway This is another point though that I wish

they would have taken a very tiny different explanation

all you would have had i love the fact that they're

on the um that they show all the different animals

and plants have been captured the dna like great

that's a great part of the plot you know that

they they thought ahead and they basically gathered

almost like noah on the ark here that they gathered

you know dna from all the different animals and

plant life this is great but they could have

just Said that the Titan was carrying all these

DNA, you know samples to you know Basically create

new life on an already existing planet. I Don't

like the fact that they decided to take the easy

way out and say that Oh, this thing is capable

of creating a planet from scratch. Give me a

freaking break. Well now, I have a comment that's

going to come a little bit later, hopefully,

because I haven't read throughout the whole plot

before we recorded this episode, but... hopefully

they have a lot hopefully they mention it and

i can i can bring it up so uh... let's see here

uh... cal's father also explains that in its

escape from destruction of earth the time is

run out of power and can't currently execute

the process of creating a planet cal's father's

message is interrupted by corso who has arrived

with the valkyrie and the rest of his of its

crew we don't we just got the thing about this

for a second because i'm i can't i can't leave

this point it not only would have made more sense

Yeah, um... But the thing is about this whole

but before Corso destroys the message Kale's

father specifically says that the reactor Can't

get powered up or whatever. Yeah, and I'm thinking

you have a ship with a nuclear reactor That's

gonna actually do some good. That's a big switch

Yeah, that's true. I mean, I mean seriously And

then you take... Alright, well, let me just continue

with this here. Corso and Preen have disembarked

leaving Stith and Goon behind with the intent

to get rid of them by planting a bomb inside

Stith's wrist communicator. Goon, however, discovers

the detonator in time and throws it down a corridor,

saving Stith but suffering seemingly fatal injuries.

Uh, no, he just needed a nap. Um... Back aboard

the Titan, Preet turns on Corso, revealing that

after Corso and the Dresh Queen fell out, the

deal with them fell out, the latter approached

Preet with the deal to kill all the humans in

exchange for his own life and a wealthy sum.

A tussle ensues and Corso kills Preet in combat.

Corso then attempts to steal Kale's ring, but

falls over the edge of the bridge, disappearing

into the depths of the ship below. Okay, first

of all... It was a horrible scene, by the way.

The animation on the fight sucked. Picture Luke

Skywalker holding on to the antenna, or picture

Indiana Jones holding on to the chick that's

about to fall into the premise. That scene was

just stolen from 800 movies. Yeah. But the thing

is, the problem that I have with it is the whole

deal with Preet and the dredge. These are energy

beings. How the hell do they have any kind of

money? Yeah. Seriously. That's a good point.

I like the idea that Preet is like a double -crossing,

you know... He's basically been a traitor, and

then he was a traitor to the guy he was with

a traitor with, if you can think of that. So

I like that. Say that five times fast. And I

like that they show Corso killing him and everything

like that. But really, it's too bad for Preet,

because if he would have just taken a nap or

got some rest, he probably would have been all

right. That's another big issue I have. First,

we've had Akima who got shot in the shoulder.

She's on the the colony or whatever and the the

the people there say oh Don't worry. You just

need some rest and you'll be fine So she you

know heals her laser Hole in her body by sleeping

you have stiff who gets blown up who just basically

needs to sleep and heal it So this movie has

taught me that if I ever get blown up or shot

as long as I just take a nap I'm gonna be all

right So So before Kale can recover, they learn

the Dredge are attacking the Titan and gain the

help of the other Valkyrie crew to defend it,

including Goon, who unexpectedly recovered from

his wounds. In the meantime, Kale comes up with

a plan, remembering Corso's advice that the Dredge

are pure energy. He could reconfigure the Titan's

power system to harness the energy and start

the planet creation process. Unfortunately, one

of the three critical circuit breakers now functions

forcing Kale to go outside and activate it manually.

While Akeema and Stith attempt to fight off the

Dredge, Corso reappears and offers to redeem

himself by sacrificing his life to complete the

circuit, while Kale returns to the bridge to

activate the Titan. Okay, um... Since when does

human flesh with a gun, uh, equal circuit complete?

in this movie I Like this I Really thoroughly

enjoy this film don't get me wrong wrong folks,

but just going through this plot synopsis is

making me angrier and Angrier don't worry. Don't

worry folks though even though Corso is apparently

electrocuted. He will probably survive after

a good night's sleep So then we get the worst

part of the entire movie Let's finish up the

plot here is kale and akima step onto the new

planet kale decides or no Let's say this way

akima asked him. What are you gonna name it?

And you know you should be thinking of all the

cool names you could name a new planet and kale

decides to call it Bob Yes folks the new earth

is named Bob That is the worst thing of the entire

movie I thought it was funny, but I like how

She basically says no we're calling it earth

or new earth or whatever and then at the end

after it fades out And you see you see all the

colony ships coming in you see the thing six

Thirty what is it 3044 ad 16 ae? so If you're

gonna name it a human name name it after your

dad or something don't come on Bob That's the

worst name for a planet. I've ever heard of That

ruined the movie for me. I thought it was funny.

It would have been funny if it was a joke, and

then he was like, no, I actually got a better

name. I'm going to name it something cool. So

overall, this being the first time you saw this

film, overall, without reading into it, just

watching it for fun, did you enjoy it? I like

the fact, I like the action, I like the animation.

I like the voice acting. The plot has got a lot

of holes in it that are covered with a bunch

of space chases and people recovering from fatal

wounds by sleeping. But, you know, I love the

intro. I love the setup. It's got a lot of good

parts and then it's just got riddled with bad

parts. I don't know what to think about it. Yeah,

I... If I really had to I mean it like if this

is one of those films that If I am so bored to

the point where I just I need something to just

enjoy to take my mind off stuff I will watch

this movie and And I can watch this movie Like

when I watched it today before we started the

recording, you know, I was watching it to enjoy

it I didn't really, I didn't start taking issues

with it until whoever wrote the Wikipedia plot

synops. I didn't start taking issues with it

until I started reading it aloud and I'm like,

oh. Yeah, you can't deny the holes. Yeah, but

still. For a kid though, it's for a kid, it'd

be great, but that's why this movie is a little

bit harder to watch as a grown person. Unless

you just put your brain on pause and refuse to...

think about anything that's happening. If you

watch it just for pure entertainment and action

and sci -fi, you know, and you can put your brain

on pause, then it'll be great for you. I completely

agree. Well, what you just heard was a sample

of some of the soundtrack songs. I wanted to

put that in between the actual show and this,

which is the music segment. What did you think

of the music in this? You know, I thought the

music was pretty good. You got a lot of kind

of interesting groups kind of working together

here from Lit to Power Man 5000 to Jamiroquai,

Luscious Jackson, Creed. I mean, you got a lot

of weird mixture here, but I thought it fit well.

did a good job of making this sci -fi film feel

current, feel, you know, like a modern, you know,

stylistic, you know, thing that people could

connect to. I was kind of surprised, pleasantly

surprised by the music. Yeah, I was too. I mean,

and like I said, Creed's song, Higher, was billed

in the trailers in the TV spots, but it was never

actually played. in the movie or on the soundtrack.

It's not featured, so maybe they couldn't get

the rights to it. I don't know. Or maybe they

didn't want to be associated with the lead singer

after he had a meltdown. Who knows? That's a

whole other podcast. Let's not get into that.

I like it. It's My Turn to Fly would probably

be one of the main ones, since they have that

whole... scene montage with that going on, but

it's a bunch of not necessarily mainstream groups

doing a decent job of making this movie feel

current. Yeah. The two songs that I can probably

listen to the most is The Cosmic Castaway and

It's My Turn to Fly. Those are my two favorites.

And like you said, the songs pretty much fit

every scene, which is very, very cool. So moving

into the legacy segment again, this film is only

10 years old, but we do have some reception here.

While Titan AE was met with quite positive response,

even receiving any award nomination for best

animated feature that it lost to Toy Story 2,

well that's no surprise, the film ultimately

flopped. It was a financial failure and as a

result after the film's failure Fox Animation

Studios was shut down. Wow. The film opened at

number 5 with only $376 ,845 for an average of

only $3 ,430 from each of its 2 ,734 theaters.

The film then lost 60 % of its audience in its

second weekend, dropping to number 8 with a gross

just under $3 ,735 ,000. Oh, yeah, there's a

lot of numbers, and I don't really care. Basically,

the film ended up grossing about $36 million,

which means that it's not too good. Well, it

is good. Damn it. As far as a block, I mean,

as far as like a moneymaker, it wasn't good as

a moneymaker. Yeah. A reason commonly given for

the financial failure of Titan A is poor marketing

with a poorly identified target audience. People

were unsure, having seen the trailers for the

film, how the movie was special. and whether

it was intended for an older sci -fi fan crowd

or whether it was pitched more at children. This

confusion was further increased by the mixture

of people who used to write and direct the production.

Bluth added to the confusion when he stated during

an interview with HBO's First Look, this is not

one of those cute little kid musicals. This film

is nothing but action. However, the film garners

a 70 % fresh rating among users at Rotten Tomatoes.

In comparison to the 51 % given by critics at

a C++ box office mojo, notably though, film critic,

oh crap, here we go, I'm gonna end up sending

this asshole a letter, because, Jesus Christ,

film critic Roger Ebert enjoyed it, giving it

a 3 .5 out of, oh wow, holy crap. Yeah, take

that back what you just said. Yeah, well, like

I said, it's rousing story, largeness of spirit,

and lush galactic visuals, which, are beautiful

in the same way photos by Hubble Space Telescope

are beautiful. He cited the ice ring sequence

as a perfect examine of what animation can do

and live action cannot. We should also mention

that besides the one Annie, they were nominated

for a Saturn Award for best science fiction film.

They were nominated actually for three different

Annies. They were nominated for a golden reel.

nominated for a gold satellite and they actually

won a golden reel award too so it did get a lot

of attention from different award groups and

stuff like that and like you said it had a good

rotten tomatoes review but most critics and obviously

the box office is kind of giving a different

take on it yeah well they can all go to hell

it's still good um it is on special edition single

disc dvd But don't buy it. Shut up. Watch it

once. Don't buy it. Watch it once so you can

understand how many plot holes and mistakes that

were easily avoidable that they left in there.

But watch it also once for the great animation

and the visuals and the above average voice acting.

My mix review, I give it two and a half stars

out of five. You're fired, and we're now going

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put sci -fi in in an animated film which i don't

really i don't think it is too common with animated

movies at least to be anyway but um... it was

kinda wild to watch the earth blow up and i remember

seeing this trailer for the first time and i

thought it was a live -action movie at first

and then i later found out that it was animated

now i did love the movie but i had a bunch of

problems with it i did not like matt damon as

the voice of Kale. It wasn't very expressive.

And, you know, some of the lows of his voice

might work well in live action, but in animation,

sometimes you kind of have to over... And I just

really didn't feel that from that name's performance

to Kale. And he killed, I would probably say,

Pree. And overall, you know, I thought it was

a great attempt at combining, and it looked kind

of off. And the human characters looked roto

-stop, which is cool, and, you know, I have a

problem with roto -stop. But the creatures were

animated very traditional, so those two techniques

really conflicted, where you got like this, you

know, realistic roast of look for the human characters,

but the creatures and all of the supporting characters,

you know, that's conflicted with that traditional

animation, where you have these really expressive

takes, and sometimes the mouth opens really wide,

and you know, just those two different styles

kind of conflicted a little bit. The story was

okay. Like I said, I feel like it had a few holes

in it, you know, and some of it kind of felt

a little rushed and some of the development felt

rushed. I also felt like Don Bluth was trying

to keep himself relevant with a changing audience,

but not a lot of people went out to support the

movie. And I probably wouldn't put this in my

top ten. But still, with all of that said, like

I said, I had a bunch of problems with it. I

still know all of the dialogue and I own the

soundtrack. So, there you go. Great show, guys.

Appreciate it. Bye. I loved it unequivocally

when I first saw it, just because it had been

such a long time since there had been any major

animated features in theaters. I mean, it wasn't

the greatest movie, but it's just something about

the animation and the voice casting just seemed

to meld together almost effortlessly. I mean,

uh, Nathan Lane as, uh, I can't remember, the

rat -faced guy was like the half -metal head

who was like, you know, the turncoat of the crew.

Uh, Drew Barrymore as Kiva, Matt Damon. as Kale.

My favorite character was Goon, voiced by John

Leguizamo, because I mean, I didn't cry, but

I got really choked up when you think Goon's

dead, and me and my buddies got up in fear and

just gave like a hoorah when Goon came back from

his nap. And basically, I loved the movie. If

something I'll watch, if it's on TV, I'll stop

and I'll watch it for a bit. I watched it at

least once every other month just because It's

a sci -fi movie and it's an animated movie that

it just works for me. I mean other people don't

really share that opinion nowadays and it was

the only effort to come out of the Fox animation

studio like that. So, but anyway, that's what

I wanted to say and loving the show guys. Keep

it up. Okay. Bye. This is Dr. Wily and I will

destroy Mega Man while listening to Tooncast.

Sword of Omens, give me psych beyond psych. I

see a new episode of Tooncast. coming this week

we all know how Kevin feels about this film so

yeah he's not getting a chance for final thoughts

I'm doing it I do agree with you though if you

just look at it at pure purely entertainment

I think in my own personal opinion that it is

a very well executed film if you're just looking

at it as an entertainment standby if you're not

looking at plot points if you're not looking

for the Star Wars references um... if you're

not looking for whatever other references that

there may be in it uh... i thoroughly thoroughly

enjoyed it alrighty then you said i can't say

anything so i'm not going to Oh, okay. So, thank

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