Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog

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we're going to be talking about what's like last

week We're doing a dual sonic week this week.

We're gonna be talking about adventures of Sonic

the Hedgehog Take it away with the history lesson,

sir All right. Well the adventures of Sonic the

Hedgehog, which is also known in the fan base

as AOS th is an American French animated series

that was first broadcast in September 1993 and

only for one season It follows the escapades

of the computer game character, Sonic the Hedgehog,

and his best friend Miles' tails per hour as

they attempt to stop the evil Dr. Ivo Robotnik

and his array of vicious robots from taking over

the planet Mobius. However, in typical Sonic

style, Sonic always finds time to indulge in

as many chili dogs as he can get his hands on.

This series is very much a slapstick type comedy,

especially with the incredibly melodramatic explosions

and quirky storylines. but Sonic is always portrayed

as being skilled and clever, whereas Scratch

and Groundhog are clumsy and often serve as robotnik

spoil. The show was originally offered to be

broadcast on ABC's Saturday Morning lineup, but

ABC reviewed the show and found a lack of animation,

unpopular story plots and other things. As a

result, ABC declined the deal and the show ended

up only being broadcast in syndication. Actually

remember this a lot more watching this a lot

more Than I did the original. Well, I don't know

if it's the original but the the Sonic the Hedgehog

Series show that we reviewed last week You know,

I watched I was watching back on YouTube for

this show As soon as I saw, oh, the two morons

scratching grounder. Yeah, as soon as I saw them,

I'm like, oh yeah, I remember this show. Uh -huh,

good deal. You know, I just... Know a lot of

people like the darker tones of the other series

and that's fine But this was this one was just

more of a you know What you know, like you said

in the history lesson They're more of a slapstick

comedy type of deal and I like that a lot better

Yeah, a good comparison would be the roadrunner

cartoons. Yeah, there's a large part of the plot

that revolves around scratch and grounder who

are the I'm trying to remember if it's I'm trying

to remember how many s's there are in it now

like the supersonic The super special sonic search

and smash squad I think it is that they're called

so But anyway, they're the they're were created

in order to capture sonic and for robot that

can defeat him and They're not very good at their

jobs. No also get as a recurring character as

well in terms of the badniks he doesn't show

up nearly as often but you also have coconuts

who's another who's the previous badnik who was

Created to defeat Sonic and as a result of his

various off -screen failures He currently occupies

the position of janitor for robotic Coconuts

like yeah, he's another great character so I

mean they're all three of the badniks like the

show is very Characterful in terms of the fact

that there's somewhat one -dimensional the characters,

but you get a feel for them right away You have

stuff like for instance they were never huge

about being on model with this show in terms

of character designs like I've seen some of the

animation models like for Robotnik and like on

the model itself they're noting that they're

noting the potential for lots of doing a lot

of deformation and stuff like that it's very

Looney Tunes -ish in that regard and that they're

well probably more Ren and Stimpy -ish Actually

in terms of how on model they are Yeah, we don't

talk about that show on this podcast that shows

just because the creator of that show pretty

much Said a bunch of negative things about tiny

tune adventures, so we don't talk about Oh, yeah,

I saw something about him insulting just show

apparently he's not a big fan of stuff. That's

on model for whatever Yeah, well he's not a very

nice guy anyways, but anyway You know, it's funny,

you know, you mentioned that this is not really

on model with some of these things. It's funny.

I associate this cartoon more with the games

than the original series. Well, with the other

series, the other series is not very much like

the games. This is closer to the games and spirit

to some extent, I think. Well, especially with

Sonic and Tails and stuff. You know, I think

their character models are right on there. Right,

but I mean like it's and you had the carryover

of a Julia white voice in Sonic as well as other

characters I You had a lot of other voices as

well. You had You had Phil Hayes's scratch and

you had everyone's favorite transforming monkey

Gary Chalk as grounder And Ian Corlett also known

for doing stuff like Goku and Cheetor did like

Goku on the ocean dab of Dragon Ball Z. He did

coconuts. Mm -hmm And you had Long John Baldry

doing Dr. Robotnik with a very distinctive voice.

I mean, the guy has a very distinctive voice,

and yeah, his Robotnik was very different than

the others that we've gotten in terms of the

fact that he was very much, he was the whole

egomaniacal evil genius. But his ego was to the

end, to the ridiculous degree, to the point where

he's... He wasn't at the point where he's calling

everything the Egg -something, although that's

more because Sega of America veered away from

using Dr. Eggman in any official stuff until

Sonic Adventure came out. Right. But when they

wanted to converge more. But I mean, still, he

does a lot of... Like, his base has a giant naked

statue of himself on the side. Yeah, I mean that

says enough about it That says a lot about his

ego that his base like half of his base is a

giant golden statue of him That's the size of

the building Hmm, that's a little creepy. So

I guess we can go right into the characters and

voice actors since you've kind of already mentioned

them You know, it's funny, you know When normally

you when normally when I think of Jaleel white

the first thing that pops into my head is Urkel

because I mean he played Steve Urkel for however

many years Family Matters ran and Obviously you

can hear Urkel's voice with Sonic, but it's it's

more of a cool thing I gotta say I get so tired

in the other Syria series Watching that I get

so tired of hearing him say let's juice or gotta

get juice. Oh god, that's Yes, but that was one

of his catchphrases. I know juice I mean, like,

there was a lot of, uh, let's do it, too. It's

another one of the phrases that he had in the

other series. I mean, that one's aged better.

This one he uses, one phrase he uses a lot is,

I'm up, over, and gone. Yeah. That's one that

he uses a lot in this one. Yeah. Um, who are

some of your favorite characters in this? Well,

I mean, I really, I did like Robotnik just for

the comedy appeal, but... Definitely there's

hands down. No question. My favorite characters

in this were Scratch and Grinder. They were such

a great comedy comedy team. They're like they're

up there in terms of favorite Sonic badniks Just

because they're entertained. They're entertaining.

They're entertaining morons They're kind of like

King hippo and Eggplant wizard from captain.

Okay, I haven't seen captain in so oh you haven't

no no that was That was before my time, I think,

so. Well, it came out in 1990, so. No, I was

only three years old, so. Oh, well, there you

go. So yeah, before my time. But I mean, this

show, I mean, I remember watching this one on

the air. But I mean, yeah, Scratch and Grounder

were hilarious. And I mean, Coconuts was always

great when you added him to the mix as well,

because he was just, he just, he didn't like

them because they were his replacements. So I

mean, it was him going against Sonic and trying

to prove himself. And yeah, as I mentioned in

the last episode with the Sad AM series, a lot

of these episodes I was watching for the first

time when I actually bought the DVD sets because

the memory was fuzzy. And I think a lot of the

ones I did see are actually ones that will be

on the third set, which makes me excited to get

that one, honestly. I mean, yeah, I mean, you've

got a very dysfunctional relationship. They're

entertaining. It's very Roadrunnerish, slapsticky.

And I mean, it's always interesting. It's one

of those shows where you watch Sad AM and you've

got some pretty good story structure and stuff.

This one, it's a lot easier to, but you don't

monitor it for plot holes because it's like Swiss

cheese when it comes to plot holes. Oh, yeah.

This series is it's one that you it's one that

quite honestly if you watch it without the rose

-tinted glasses It doesn't age nearly as well

as the other one does Sad am ages without rose

-tinted glasses very well because it's pretty

good writing on the whole This one you do need

to keep them on admittedly in order to get everything

out of it, right? Yeah I don't know. You know,

I just, you know, like I said, when I was watching

this on YouTube, it's one of those things where,

oh yeah, I really, really enjoy this. And it's

more of pure enjoyment, rather, does it stand

up today, which a lot of, you know, a lot of

cartoons don't stand up today sometimes, so.

Yeah, it's one of those shows where you have

to turn the brain off in order to fully enjoy

it. I mean, there's certain, slapstick can be

done with meta humor to the point where, You

can have the brain on it can be very well constructed

like say invaders in for invaders in for instance.

It's similar in terms of the I guess that one

is more absurd than anything. But I mean, it's

one of those shows where you can watch it with

your brain on and still find it hilarious. But

whereas with this series, that doesn't necessarily

work as well. I mean, because, yeah, a lot of

the stuff is very similar to a roadrunner type.

Roadrunner type things although fortunately they

do keep that to they do kind of keep that to

more of a minimum in terms of it's usually whatever

Robotnik's big evil scheme of the day is and

Then he's trying to capture Sonic stop Sonic

during it and there's a few good episodes that

There's one for instance, which is alright in

terms of where he Notices that like tails and

Sonic make a really good team. So he decides

to split them up by having Because one of the

back one of the backstory elements that's revealed

in that episode is that tails? You know what

was found like abandoned by Sonic or whatever

and you know has no idea whose parents were anything

so Robotnik takes advantage of that and decides

to try and split them up by making fake parents

for tails and Having like what lost thing and

then they actually end up The reason it ends

up being figured out Sonic figures it out is

because of the fact that his parents were calling

him tails and not miles Right. Yeah, it's one

of those things which has never touched on in

the series except maybe once or twice Yeah All

right, I guess we can get into behind -the -scenes

stuff here The show was created by Deke entertainment

which produced a total of 65 episodes for his

first season and was syndicated by Balbot entertainment

which is now BKN International In the original

run, every episode began and ended with the Bulbot

Entertainment Presents logo. The plots often

loosely followed the storyline of the Sonic video

game series, although when the cartoon began,

the Sonic games were still quite new and lacking

much plot or character development, which was

filled in by the show's writers. At least they,

you know, went ahead and filled in some of the

character development. That was pretty cool.

Sort of one thing that they had on this show

to though was there was actually some merchandise

as well in that when McDonald's did their Sonic

the Hedgehog toys they actually used the design

of this Robotnik for the for the Robotnik toy

mm -hmm in his egg mobile or whatever it's called

they use this design and There's also books and

story books and stuff as well that they had where

I forgot to mention this in the sat AM episode,

but like I've got a I think I've still got it

somewhere, like a kid's book that I had, which

was more Sad AM based in terms of the universe,

but it was clearly done early on because they

used the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog design

for Robotnik in there. And then of course there's

Doc Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine, which was a

tie -in game for the show. Right, yeah. But yeah,

it's another thing too that the series did, which...

is the subject of a lot of jokes in retrospect

is they had a segment on there at the very end

of each episode called Sonic Says, which basically

was like just a minute or so of them of essentially

a life lesson sort of thing. It's entertaining

to watch in retrospect because of just how preachy

it actually is. Well, you know, it's going also

off of the fact that almost every cartoon in

the 80s had PSA's at the end of it. Yes, but

it takes PSA's to the extreme in that every episode

has a different PSA. Well, every single episode

of the original He -Man series had a different

PSA, because it related to whatever story it

was that they told in the show. So that's pretty

much where they're getting it from. But it's

one thing to do a PSA related to something going

on in the show. It's another thing to do a PSA

that's 90 % of the time completely unrelated

to the show's contents. Like they animate just

a PSA with just a general lesson and and really

they're the subject of Yeah, they're they're

more funny to look back on retrospect just because

the fact that's like oh I can't believe they're

do they're talking about this here sort of thing

hmm, and then you have stuff like I mean one

thing that there's a lot of us well on YouTube

for the show is there's something called There's

a phenomenon on YouTube. I guess called YouTube

poop which is where you do a lot of linking of

a lot of where people like loop clips in weird

ways and stuff like that and there's actually

be there's a few of these that the show is actually

uses that they use clips from the show that are

actually somewhat known in the fan base and they

actually a few issues back in the comic they

took advantage of the fact that Igman at this

point was insane and they actually the writer

snuck some of these in his Easter eggs in the

dialogue, which was actually pretty fun. I didn't

realize it at first, but then people linked the

YouTube videos and then it's like, oh wow, this

is hilarious that he actually snuck these in.

Right. As far as some of the post -production

one more episode in the winter of 1996, Sonic

Christmas Blast, which has features from the

Sonic Hedgehog cartoon such as Princess Sally

Acorn, and a non -speaking cameo. It also has

Sonic and Tails visiting Robotropolis, which

has a human population and a name pronounced

with two t's in this episode. Robotnik replaces

Santa with a robot duplicate and demands everybody

gives him Christmas presents instead of getting

some from Santa. Sonic and Tails team up to save

the holiday. The letters page of issue number

41 of the Sonic the Hedgehog comic book promotes

the special as an extremely sonic christmas yeah

honestly i haven't actually really forty -one

it was on the cartoon was still there at that

point but yeah i honestly haven't seen this uh...

but seen uh... this special that's one reason

i want to get the dvd set static and watch this

thing because i'm just going to wait and get

the dvds but because it's going to be on the

third uh... set that shout factories doing Well,

I mean, I know, though, that, like, they used

the early Princess Sally design in the show,

which they only used for one episode in Sad AM

as well, where it's the pink design with the

black hair, and they used that in the comics

up until issue 1819 as well. But, I mean, yeah,

I'm not all that familiar with this episode,

other than knowing it's the obligatory Christmas

episode that a lot of shows did. Some Christmas

episodes are like the standard cookie cutter

save Christmas. The best ones are always the

ones that subvert the genre, but from the sounds

of it, it isn't exactly one of those. Although

one thing that sounds interesting to note is

the idea is the whole robot duplicate idea, which

is something that they actually did use in the

they actually did use that at one point in the

comic in, interestingly enough, irony of ironies,

it was a Princess Sally miniseries that they

actually use this idea in. Although from the

sounds of it it predates that many theories predates

this episode so But it's still an interesting

observation Yes Moving into the actual show The

central protagonists are sonic the hedgehog and

miles tails power while the main antagonists

include Robotnik his two henchbots scratching

grounder with a third robot, Coconuts, appearing

on occasion. There are many occasional minor

characters in robots, too, including Robotnik's

dominating mother, or Wes Leasley, a sales...

Oh, yes, Mama Robotnik, yes. So hilarious. The

whole concept was just hilarious. And there's

even a few episodes where they actually animate

her with a mustache, so... There's a degree of

design inconsistency there. Oh, wow. There's

a few where she actually has a mustache, because

she shows up briefly at the end. But yeah, she's

hilarious simply because of the fact that she's

like a crazy... You've got the evil scientist

and you've got the mother of the evil scientist,

who basically looks the same only in a dress,

and most of the time without a mustache. Yeah.

As you said before, each episode featured the

infamous Sonic Says segments, where Sonic gave

viewers advice on different topics, ranging from

staying in school, not running away from home,

and not using guns, to smoking, alcohol abuse,

false advertising, sexual harassment, and even

the dangers of running in clothes dryers. What

the hell? What was that again? They include...

The the last one they include are and even the

dangers of riding in clothes dryers They have

some pretty they have some really weird ones

I'm surprised they have stuff as far as smoking

alcohol abuse and sexual harassment for a kid's

cartoon Oh, yeah, they yeah, that's why that's

why people like love poking fun at these because

they did they did like everything you could possibly

think of And then they went above and beyond

in a few cases to points where it's like, they

actually did something with that? Wow. Like,

that's why they're so funny, because they did

some pretty ridiculous ones. But yeah, one thing

as well, even with the supporting characters,

you mentioned Wes Weasley. Actually, a number

of those episodes where he appears in were actually

written by Beast Wars scribe Bob Forward. That

was an interesting aside. It's interesting too

because like I noticed the Bob forward ones and

watch those and it's like I think those are probably

some of the better ones the ones that he wrote

so Because I saw this like oh Bob forward really

I'm gonna pay extra attention now to see how

this episode scripted Yeah, I mean like still

it it says a lot though that he does keep with

the style of the series when he writes it so

And it is a sillier. It is a sillier episode

with the whole Wes Weasley character And then

you get stuff like, I mean, yeah, like Scott

McNeil did some incidental voices on there at

one point, and you have different voice actors

who pop in here and there that you might have

heard from elsewhere. Right. All right. Well,

I guess moving into the music segment, I said

in last week's episode that I like this theme

a lot better. I don't actually know who did it

because I don't know if I just didn't get the

information or I don't know, I just couldn't

find it at the time. I'm sure it's on IMDB, but

I don't know, I thought this, I think it was

because at the time when, if I did catch an episode

of any of the Sonic shows back when they were

airing when I was still that age, I was so into

the video games. And this is, that's why this

show appealed to me more than the darker series.

That makes sense that makes sense. I mean one

thing with the theme is it borrows a lot if you

notice from Hall of the Mountain King What the

hell is that? That's like a It's public. It's

been public to me for a while. It's like from

it's in a pretty old I'm not sure if it's an

it's simply I'm trying to pick what the term

is. It's Not a simp not a symphony, but I mean

like it's up. It's something that a composer

did that's a really well -known fairly well -known

show. I mean, like, there's undertones there

that are used. I mean, really, the music itself

isn't all that... I mean, it does the job of

supporting it while you've got the character

themes. Although on the note of music, I feel

that it's worth it to bring up the episode they

did, the one episode they did, Sonic's Song,

I believe it's called, simply because it's one

of those ones that, as I mentioned, like... this

series, like, I watched a lot of episodes over

and over again because the videos after the show

went off the air, the local video store still

had some on VHS. So we rented them a lot and

recorded the audio off them and stuff. So that

one's, one that sticks in my head is one where

they actually have music in the plot line where

Robotnik, there's a country singer who writes

a song about Sonic that's set to like the...

basically to the game theme. So then Robotnik

decides to capture her and then builds a robot

to destroy all music. And meanwhile, it gets

entertaining because then he decides to write

his own song about himself. And there's some

great lyrics in there where he's like, I am a

genius, I have proof. And he's holding up his

diploma and stuff and he's playing this on a

big pipe organ. Meanwhile, you're just seeing

him from behind with his giant rear end wiggling

as he plays. It's a very hilarious visual. And

then you have Scratch and Granator dressed up

as backup singers. Yeah, didn't they dress up

in drag a couple of times? Well, they weren't

dressed up in drag here. They were dressed up

in suits with wigs and stuff. No, I know that,

but weren't there a couple of episodes of the

show where Scratch and Ground are dressed up

in female clothing at some point? Well, possibly.

That's another thing too with the series, now

that you mention it, that it borrows a lot from

the Bugs Bunny type cartoons in that Sonic often

tricks them with disguises. And that they spring

their trap and he shows up in some disguise dressed

up as somebody and it's... It's pretty clear

it's Sonic in disguise, and they fall for it,

and then they end up usually falling into their

own trap as a result. Very slapstick in that

regard. I think Sonic probably dresses up a lot

more than anyone else does in the show. Alright,

going into the legacy segment. There are a few

appearances in other media for this. A video

game based on the show entitled Dr. Robotnik's

Mean Bean Machine. was released for the Sega

Genesis and Game Gear, as well as Robotnik Scratch

and Grounder and Coconuts. The character roster

of the game also features several one -shot characters

that appeared in the first episode of the show.

Scratch also appears during the third bonus stage

of Sonic the Hedgehog Spinball for the Genesis,

which features a bunch of them protecting the

crate containing animals. Grounder can be found

in the game Sonic 2. Unlike in the TV series

where he's green, he is red in there. Sonic 2

model of Grounder reappeared in Sonic Pocket

Adventure as an enemy in the Aqua Relix Zone.

Coconuts also appeared in Sonic 2, but he looked

slightly different. The badnik that he was based

on set a standard for future monkey robots in

the series. Oh boy. Oh yeah, Coconuts is one

of the more famous robots in that. He's he goes

back way back way way back in terms of it and

even in like Sonic Adventure Coconuts isn't in

there, but there's a robot just like him that's

in it as well. Mm -hmm And yeah, I mean he's

he's definitely the most iconic grounder also

appears and there's also a burrow bot that appears

in several of the games that's similar to grounder

And burrow bot was also in the comic too, but

and then scratch I forget what scratch was based

off, but he is based off of a robot in the game

as well Yeah, and there's also some as I mentioned

in the last episode with Sad AM There's some

test footage that's out there on YouTube if you

look for it where it's it's just like liner Line

art animation like no color or anything and no

music track where there's where you've got more

cartoonish elements in there where like you have

some of the I think the chompers is what they're

called, but you have some of the fish in there

and you have Jim Cummings voicing this robotic

design as well, which does not fit. Yeah. But

you have stuff like where it's, I mean, also

Scratch Grander and Coconuts, they also brought

them into the, I'm just looking this year in

issue two of the US comic. This is this is technically,

I think, issue six, I believe, because they actually

had a mini series before this. And then there

was a Sonic zero. So it's a bit misleading in

terms of numbers, but they brought them in in

a backup story and They they're basically played

essentially the same as their video game counterpart

Sorry as their cartoon counterparts, right and

then they showed up in another cameo coconuts

got a hilarious one -shot story in the 20s where

he's trying to Steal that where he's trying to

protect a Robotnik's Chaos Emeralds from a thief

And again, it's very much Looney Tunes style.

And if you're a fan of coconuts, yeah, read it.

And then, of course, and more recently, they

turned up after a very, very long absence in

the book, where they they're now essentially

working in a bar in a casino. So for one of the

villains who's basically got all of the old robots

working for him in his casino. Yeah. So on July,

as far as the DVD releases go, on July 17, 2007,

Shot Factory released Adventures of Sonic the

Hedgehog Volume 1. It's distributed by Universal

Home Entertainment and 20th Century Fox Home

Entertainment on DVD in Region 1. Volume 2 was

released on December 9, 2008. According to the

Shot Factory website, Volume 3 is now set to

be released as an online Shot Factory exclusive.

On March 16th, 2010, pre -orders are currently

not being accepted, but the website says to stay

tuned. The volume will contain the final 21 episodes

of the series, plus as announced on these shop

forms on January 6th, 2010, Sonic Christmas Blast.

So that's good that they're having the DVDs out.

I'm actually gonna... I'm actually probably gonna

buy these at some point. I don't know exactly

when. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that third

set so again as I mentioned there's certain episodes

in there like there's a four -parter there where

they brought in some what some of the game elements

and that they Kind of brought the Chaos Emeralds

into the into the show Through a three part.

There's a three parter. They did where Robotnik's

basically traveling through time to find the

Simplified to three Chaos Emeralds and then the

sonics going after him So I mean you get those

I mean, then there's the Sonic Christmas Blast

wins well, of course. I'm really looking forward

to the set for certain episodes that I do remember

watching as a kid but haven't seen in years and

years. Just some final thoughts on both the Sonic

cartoons. Overall, I think they're both very

well done for the most part. Yes, the Sonic the

Hedgehog cartoon is obviously the darker, and

this is the lighter of the two. And like I said

before I actually prefer this one because it's

it's because it is the lighter it is the slapstick

comedy I'm probably gonna have to get the DVD

sets from both of the cartoons just to go back

and watch them and see if I if I like them any

more than I already do or don't So what are your

final thoughts on these Sonic cartoons? Well,

with Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, as I mentioned

earlier, it's the one where rose -tinted glasses

do help a lot when you're watching it. I mean,

I watch it, I still like it now, but it is a

bit harder to enjoy, admittedly, than it used

to be for me. And I mean, it still has a lot

of great moments, and there's some episodes that

I do remember that are really iconic in my head.

partly because of just multiple viewings of them

but I mean in the end though when you actually

look at all the different video game cartoons

that were out at the time really it doesn't really

stand out from the pack I would say in terms

of the type of show it was I think that plus

also in terms of a fan base I mean it was yet

like just another cartoon that you would watch

coming home sort of thing I mean whereas with

the sad am cartoon that lent itself a lot because

of their emphasis on plot and character and story

and the very different setup and just the writing.

I mean, it lent itself to a fan base, internet

fan base a lot more. And it's the one that's

often generally remembered, especially once the

show ended and the comics started borrowing a

lot very heavily from the show. I mean, yeah,

this is the one that people generally don't think

about as much. It's the more forgettable one

of the two. But it's it still is worth it on

its own. Although not to everybody I'd say right.

Yeah for everyone It's more it's more for a younger

audience If you're like an adult who didn't see

the cartoon growing up, you're not really gonna

get much enjoyment out of it It's not g1 transformers

in terms of I can watch episodes having never

seen I can watch episodes having not grown up

with it and sure There's some cringers, but there's

also some very good ones This one, there's some

decent ones, but it's not nearly as good as a

show like the G1 Transformers. Well, you really

can't compare the Transformers to sound like

the hedgehog. I would compare this to a lot of

the Nintendo. This is pretty much Nintendo kind

of hit it off with cartoons in the late 80s,

early 90s. Yeah, it's the later Nintendo. Yeah.

And then Sega said, oh, well, wait. We have this

video. We have our, quote unquote, mascot. We're

going to put him in a cartoon series. After all,

as we all know, Sega does what Nintendo don't.

In other words, copies them. And then they also

end up losing the console war, get bought up

by Sammy, and turn into a shovelware company

for the most part. But that's another story.

So they did do what Nintendo didn't. Yeah, true.

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