Who Framed Roger Rabbit

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Bo - Bo - Anybody understand what this duck is

saying? I've worked with a lot of wise quackers,

but you are despicable! This is the last time

I work with someone with a speech impediment!

This means war. You think that's funny? Oh, it's

a panic! You won't think it's funny when I stick

that pen up your nose. Now calm down, son, will

ya? Look, the stain's gone. It's disappearing

ink. No hard feelings, I hope. Look, I'm... I

know who you are. Marvin Acme, the guy that owns

Toontown. The guy came here. If it's Acme, it's

a gasser. Put it there, pal. The hand buzzer.

It's still our biggest seller! Scotch on the

rocks. And I mean ice! Those dogs are funny,

they never get to finish the act! Hello, hello,

hello. I say hello three times because it's just

as epic to be on this show. Yes, actually you'll

be on two shows. It'll be one record, but it's

gonna be on both the MWIRE feed and the Tooncast

feed. Sweet. Slowly taking over the world. Yes,

yes, yes. So the reason why we are doing this

episode... Actually, it's two different number

of episodes. For Tooncast, it's episode 24. For

M -Wire, it's episode 18 .5, so depending on

which feed you're listening to, the episode numbers

will be different. The reason why we're crossing

it over for both feeds is because Roger Rabbit,

or who framed Roger Rabbit, is a live action

slash animation film because they combined both

live action and traditional animation in the

film. I would like to point out before we get

too far into the material that this was not the

first. A lot of people think that Roger Rabbit

was the first ever live action meets animation.

It was not. There were several of them done in

the golden age of animation back in the 30s with

Looney Tunes. Popular one I can remember is you

ought to be in pictures is where Daffy convinces

Porky that he needs to go to mainstream movie

and get out of animation and they actually show

Leon Schlesinger talking with Porky. Another

one I can think of is when Jerry Mouse of Tom

and Jerry dances with Gene Kelly. But a lot of

people seem to think, and I was one of them,

a lot of people seem to think that Roger Rabbit

was the first ever live action and animation

film put together, but apparently it wasn't.

I think with this movie, it's more of the fact

that it was the first full length feature film.

that kind of incorporated this live action with

animation. I mean, yes, obviously it's not the

absolute first, but I think it's kind of the

one that really was made into that, because making

animation and making live action film literally

doubles the work. So the fact that they were

able to do this at that time, that's just incredible

in and of itself. Yes, yes. So how are you, Steve?

I am doing awesome. I am busy. I'm tired and

yet it all but it's a good busy and tired know

what I mean? Yeah, yeah Yes, Steve just released

on the 28th of October his is what is your second

or third book? It is my second book second audio

book. It's a the caffeine collection, which is

a dynamic What the hell are you guys calling

it now? It's a dynamic audio book. Ah, there

we go. There we go. You had mentioned on Twitter

a couple of times about a contest and I don't

think I ever saw the results of that. Has that

been tallied? Well, actually, you know, I was

going to save this for the actual... I mean,

if you don't want to reveal it, that's fine.

You don't have to. No, no, no, no. This is good.

This is good. I was, because obviously I had

missed a week in regards to putting out a podcast.

There was a lot going on as far as the school,

because I'm in school for radio broadcasting.

There was a major assignment literally due the

next day after the podcast was supposed to come

out. So I had to work on that. But there was

a particular contest where I asked people to

leave iTunes reviews for the podcast, The Caffeine

Collection, and also show and the fact that you

subscribed to it. And you, Mike, definitely entered

into that. And I can actually reveal right now

that you are the winner, sir. Yay! So that's

a first. I haven't even said that out to anybody

yet. So yes, you are definitely the winner of

that. So I'll make sure I get you at least a

subscription to that, to that audio book, dynamic

audio book. But before the end of tonight. Oh,

okay, cool. Good deal. No, and we need to let

people know that the contest was not rigged.

Steve and I are... Even though we are friends

and This Week in Geek and Geekcast Radio have

collaborated on several different episodes, actually

I have never been on a This Week in Geek topic

episode, but whatever, that's beside the point.

You know, when I entered this, it was something

that he posted on Twitter, like he said, you

know, I entered it just as everybody else, it

isn't like... you know I actually work with Steve

on it or anything like that so no it was definitely

not rigged in any way shape or form it just so

happened literally it did it's all completely

random and yours was the name that came up cool

so we are going to get into the topic and you're

going to hear some Roger Rabbit audio actually

We may actually do another little general chat

thing before we actually get into the topic.

Just talking to you about your book and your

experience and all that stuff really quick. It

would be five or ten minutes, I guess. Because

I have two different audio portions that I want

to put in here. For me, I need to be able to

break them up. So we will be right back. Get

the judge. Merry -go -round broke down. Quite

a loony selection for a group of drunken reprobates.

Okay, we are back and as we said in the first

part of this episode, I am joined by Steve Snowball

Sailor. One of the reasons why I wanted Snowball

on this episode was because he had mentioned

a couple of months ago. You had happened to be

watching Roger Rabbit and I just happened to

remember. Oh crap! we have a Roger Rabbit review

coming up in November. So I was like, oh yeah,

so yeah, I can probably get Steve on for that.

So yeah, that's the main reason why you're here.

In this portion, why don't you tell us, and I

mean, I know you've said this a couple of times,

why don't you tell us how the caffeine collection

came to be? Well, it obviously I my first podcast

novel that I put out called black shadows at

the beginning of December 2007 so it was Lily

and Lily had been about two years almost That

I hadn't produced out any new audio stuff or

any audio book content and I've been wanting

to kind of I had a couple ideas going and some

that I did announce that didn't exactly work

out the way I planned it to and so during the

summer of this year, 2009, I was home for the,

I was basically home from school. I was back

home kind of living with the family and just

kind of trying to figure out exactly what I wanted

to do sort of audio book wise or book wise. And

I was reading a bunch of short stories that I

just kind of thought, you know, I wanted to try

to get myself back into it, into writing a full

length novel again. And one of the interviews

that I did for This Week in Geek over the summer

was with a musician slash entrepreneur named

Jess Smith. And Jeff Smith is the co -founder

of a company called ringtonefeeder .com. And

ringtonefeeder is specifically for the iPhone

and he actually creates original brand new ringtones

that you can subscribe to and you get two brand

new ringtones every single week and you get it

as a paid subscription. So you pay either two

bucks a month or 20 bucks a year. to get these

ringtones and they're all created by him. He's

not repurposing any content or kind of taking

songs and just re -recording them or whatever.

It's just all original stuff that he makes. And

then he also released something called a dynamic

album. Since he's a musician, he wanted to kind

of put out his music sort of using the same format.

So he did that where you actually pay 15 bucks,

you get access to all the songs, but then over

the course of a year, because it's a podcast

subscription, you get all kinds of bonus content.

So the reason why it's called Dynamic Album is

that the album will grow as time goes by. And

so him and I started talking about creative stuff,

and he was looking for some creative artists

to kind of partner up with. And I kind of suggested

to him, well, what about, say something like

stories, or like short stories, or full -length

novels? And he was really... keen on that idea

kind of right off the hop and so I started talking

to him and his business partner Klaus Lovegren

and over the course of the next like two weeks

after that and him and I sort of the three of

us sort of kind of got this idea going and we

decided you know what let's put out a short story

collection and so over the course of summer I

wrote just a bunch of short stories hopped up

on caffeine because I all wrote them at Starbucks

and just a wide variety of genres everything

from sci -fi to fantasy to comedy to action pretty

much a wide variety of genres that people can

have interest in. And I decided to put it all

together into one short story collection and

that's what The Caffeine Collection came to be.

Yes, I kind of figured the reason why it was

titled The Caffeine Collection is because you're

always hopped up on caffeine at Starbucks. Every

time that I talk to you either on Twitter or

Facebook or whatever, whatever social medium

you want to use, you're always at Starbucks.

That's the thing about the local Starbucks that

I was at. I mean, it's sort of, every single

Starbucks is sort of the same way. Like I can

go to any Starbucks now and sort of, I can kind

of get in that sort of environment. But there's

something specific about the one that I live

near in the Niagara area that it was just kind

of, it was very welcoming. Like it had obviously

the same Starbucks thing. Everything there was

nothing really specifically different about that

Starbucks other than the fact that it was close

and that there was a lot of regulars there that

I could then actually I knew I sort of start

to get to like to talk to and kind of it was

just a really open atmosphere that I just loved

and it kind of Basically made me maybe more creative

as time went on and then my friend My best friend

Shane and I we would go there constantly to write

and he was kind of like my writing partner in

crime so to speak and him and I would just go

there like constantly as many times that we can

get and we were just just right and it was so

much fun and that's kind of why I love Starbucks

that much and I like I have even in Toronto where

I'm at right now there is sort of one that I

can sort of gravitating towards but there's always

that one that's in the Niagara area that I just

love the most right yeah I'm not really that

much of a big coffee drinker and Starbucks is

severely overpriced so yeah well that's the thing

I I'm not really you would not believe but I'm

actually not a regular coffee drinker in and

of itself I'm not one of those I would have to

have coffee every single day in order to survive

My parents are but I'm not and so but the thing

is I love going there because it's sort of like

a specialty thing for me if I go to get like

a Tazo chai latte or peppermint mocha Frappuccino,

whatever it is that I'm going there to get it's

it's kind of one of those things it's like you

know what I feel I feel like I need to kind of

have something special not just a regular coffee

and I like that kind of stuff and yeah, it's

a little bit expensive, but it was worth it in

the end That's cool. That's cool And we will

when we do the outro we will tell everybody where

they can get the caffeine collection and all

that up next you are going to hear what is probably

the I Don't know if it's really controversial

But probably the scene from Roger Rabbit where

all of the guys turn into howling wolves and

that was the Jessica Rabbit singing scene in

the ink and paint club. We will be right back.

What's with him? Mr. Acme never misses a night

when Jessica performs. Got a thing for rabbits,

huh? She's married. some other man do. Get out

of here and get me some money too. Get out of

here and get me some Okay, and it is time to

talk about the... I wouldn't really say it's...

I don't know if it's world famous, but this movie

was always one of the most famous movies. Set

aside the fact that you have Steven Spielberg

and Robert Zemeckis attached to it, but Who Framed

Roger Rabbit is a 1988 fantasy comedy film directed

by, as I said, Zemeckis... and produced by Steven

Spielberg based on Gary K. Wolfe's novel, Who

Censored Roger Rabbit. Ooh, I wonder if I can

find that. I'd like to read that, actually. You

do. Yeah. The film combines the use of traditional

animation and live action with elements of film

noir, stars Bob Hoskins, Charles Fleischer, Christopher

Lloyd, Kathleen Tur, and Joanna Cassidy. The

film tells the story of private investigator

Eddie Valiant caught in a mystery that involves

Roger Rabbit, an A -list toon who is framed for

murder. When did you first see this? Oh, it has

to be definitely when I was a kid. I remember

watching it and I could never really figure out

who Roger Rabbit was at the time when I was a

kid, but all I remember of Roger Rabbit was watching

the little mini cartoon that they had at the

beginning of Honey I Shrunk the Kids. That was

probably the first time I ever saw anything of

Roger Rabbit at that point. And then I remember

seeing the movie afterwards, I was like, oh,

it's just like one from How do you guys talk

to kids? And I really sort of enjoyed it. So

I never really kind of got into, I guess, the

Roger Rabbit sort of, even to this day, I still

have no idea whether he had stuff, like there

was an actual series of Roger Rabbit or he was

specifically made for this film. I think, now

I would have to go back and watch the special

features on the DVD, but I believe he was specially

made for the film. I believe that they made Warner

Bros. like cartoons. Like the cartoon that precedes

the movie, Tommy Trouble. Not Tommy Trouble.

But you know what I mean, the one where Baby

Herman's going after the cookie. I forget what

it's called at the present time. I'm sure people

are screaming at their iPods saying, it's this,

it's this, it's this. That is set up like Warner

Brothers and classic Disney cartoons as far as

the intro outro. And actually on the DVD there

are, I believe it's every one that they made

at the time. And they're all on here. I'm looking

at the back here. doesn't say but I know that

they're all on here the tummy trouble one where

he has to go to the hospital where Jessica is

dressed up as a nurse there's one where they

go to some park you know there's like three or

four of them on there but I don't think like

me he wasn't mainstream obviously this film was

made after the way after the golden age of animation

and I know traditional animation style was starting

to come back in the eighties, obviously with

them re -running Looney Tunes on TV and showing

it more in syndication, but I don't think he

was ever a main part. It was a fictional part

of Maroon Cartoon Studios and stuff, so I don't

think it was ever a main thing. I was eight years

old when this film came out. I don't remember

exactly I might have seen it like maybe a year

or two after it came out, like 89 or 90, but

I know I never went to the theater and saw it.

I know I never did that. I would have loved to

have seen it in theaters. As far as some more

information before we actually get into the plot,

Walt Disney Pictures purchased the film rights

to Who Censored Roger Rabbit in 1981, Jeffrey

Price and Peter S. Seaman wrote two drafts of

the script before Disney brought Spielberg and

Amblin Entertainment to help finance the film.

Zemeckis was hired to direct the live -action

scenes with Richard Williams overseeing animation

sequences. For inspiration, Price and Seaman

studied the work of Walt Disney and Warner Bros.

cartoons from the Golden Age of American Animation,

especially Tex Avery and Bob Clampett cartoons.

Production was moved from Los Angeles to... Elstree

Studios in England to accommodate Williams and

his group of animators. During filming, the production

budget began to rapidly expand and the shooting

schedule lapsed longer than expected. However,

Hoofer and Roger Rabbit was released. With a

financial success and critical acclaim, the film

brought re -emerging interest from the golden

age of American animation and became the forefront

for modern era. Especially Disney, Renaissance

Roger Rabbit left behind an impact that included

a media franchise and the unproduced prequel

Who Discovered Roger Rabbit. This is, I think

what might turn people off to this film is the

film noir parts of it. I mean, I like that stuff

when it's done well. It's not a genre I always

like to watch, but that may turn people off.

Technically, it is a period piece with animation

in it, because obviously, as I've said before,

it takes place in Hollywood 1947. I think it

still stands well today. I don't think, you know,

there are probably, you know, obviously, because

it is a period piece, a lot of it is actually

dated. You know how we say, like, you know, okay,

the biggest thing that could date a show today

is making a Johnny Cochran or O .J. Simpson reference.

Well, all of the stuff that's in this film is

from 1947, so technically the entire film is

dated, but it's... It's done so well as far as

going back, especially being made in the 80s

and doing a film about the 40s. Right. I mean

it's considered what now a lot of people would

call a period piece. Right. So I don't really

actually have one paragraph plot synopsis. I

wish I did. I mainly just get, as everybody knows,

I just get the information from Wiki. If you

want, we can go through what plot synopsis I

have here. Let's see, 1947 Los Angeles, California,

tunes commonly interact with Hollywood's studio

system and live action, and live in a section

of the city known as Toontown. I always wanted

to go to Toontown, that was so cool. Me too.

I want to live in Toontown. I want to live in

Gingerbread Lane. Gingerbread Lane's that way,

no it's this way. Roger Rabbit is the star of

Maroon Cartoon animated short subjects, but he

has trouble following the director's commands,

delaying the production. Rumors are spreading

that Roger's wife Jessica has a sugar daddy and

studio head R .K. Maroon hires private investigator

Eddie Valiant to look into the matter. Eddie,

whose brother Teddy was killed by a toon five

years before, reluctantly takes the job. He discovers

that the buxom Jessica is quote -unquote cheating

on Roger. by literally playing patty cake with

Marvin Acme, owner of the Acme Corporation in

Toontown. Eddie reveals photographic evidence

to Roger, who sinks into depression. Marvin Acme

is found murdered the next day, and Roger becomes

the prime suspect. Okay, how did you... when

you first saw this film, I guess... as a... As

an adult, I guess we could say, how did you like

the whole opening going from the cartoon and

then they basically, they don't even think they

made a cut. They basically just faded out from

the cartoon set into the live action. Well, you

can kind of tell a little bit of a slight difference

in the coloring. when it switches over from the,

basically from the cartoon to live action. So

you can kind of see, obviously, that when they

made the edited switchover, I mean, that's just

me personally, because I sort of can look into

that. But that whole opening, I mean, that in

and of itself kind of sort of... in a really

good way sets up kind of what Roger Rabbit really

was and what like why he kind of was known as

kind of like Think of it this way it in 1947

in Toontown Roger Rabbit would have been considered

the chaplain of all cartoon of all to cartoon

shorts So he has a lot, and you can sort of tell

that in that opening cartoon, especially with

the baby who, or I think it says later on, I

think he has the mind of a 50 -year -old but

with the thinking of a three -year -old. So it's

kind of funny that this is just the way the two

kind of interact. And when I was watching it

again actually, like really a few days ago, just

kind of get myself back into it again. I really

did notice that. The movie sort of made Roger

Rabbit. I guess the chaplain whereas I'd say

Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse in a way even though

they came obviously way before Roger Rabbit did

but in the movie they made it seem like they

were all inspired by Roger Rabbit. They came

out of the woodworks of Toontown to kind of become

famous on their own right but if they ever were

asked in an interview or interviews or whatever

who was your inspiration they probably would

say Roger Rabbit. And as they, so after Roger

becomes the prime suspect, we see a scene showing,

you know, him in, well, Eddie is sent to the

Ink and Paint Club, which is a strictly tuned

review, but it's a human -only crowd. And we

open with this giant bouncer. The password to

get into the Inconvenient Club is WaltSentMe.

I love that line. Everybody knows that that's

a, well most everyone knows or should know that

that is a play on Mr. Disney himself, Walt Disney.

Yep. Nice monkey suit, wise ass. Yep. And then

it opens up to this just hopping club. with all

these humans and these tombs are, you know, the

waiters, the waitresses. You got an octopus at

the bar. You got Donald and Daffy on stage. This

is the very first time and the only time this

has ever happened. I'll mention the other one

as well later on. This is the only time we have

ever seen Donald Duck and Daffy Duck on screen

together interacting. And wow. I know just just

wow See and what I love about that that particular

piece is that I I always wondered how they were

able to kind of get the rights to get not only

but like basically Looney Tunes interacting with

Disney characters I'm like that in and of itself

was like that must have been a headache just

to try to be able to get the rights to that but

I remember watching it and finding out a little

bit later on is when I did some research on it

that the The guys who did the voice of Donald

Duck and Daffy Duck, they were the original voices.

Yeah, Mel Blank and I forget who does Donald.

Mel Blank does Daffy, but... Yeah, and I kind

of figured that Mel Blank would have done it,

but by this time in the 80s, he was close to

80 years old. Yeah, I believe. I cannot be for

certain. I believe this was one of the... I'm

just going to say it was one of. the last things

that he ever did. I honestly think this probably

was the last thing he did for Looney Tunes. Like

any of his original characters. Now it does say

up here where I read earlier Walt Disney Pictures

purchased the film rights so that would give

you say you know Disney owns the film rights

to something I'm sure they can put their characters

into anything and everything just like now that

they own Marvel they can you know make Mickey

Wolverine Mouse or something I don't know I mean

I'm just you know but you see you see what I'm

saying though right Disney owned the film rights

to this they could have you know maybe it was

a big Disney Warner Brothers collaboration I

I don't know I could see that I could see that

and I do, one of my funniest, one of those scenes

when I was a kid, I would always just laugh myself

silly. When they get to the Acme Factory, this

is the clip that I got. That I would see that

scene Yosemite Sam coming shooting out of tune

down. I would just lose my marbles That's actually

that's also Yes, it was just every single time

so They're at the crime scene. Oh before this

it shows why Eddie is a drunk they actually have

a scene in the in the bar and we meet Dolores

and and the the crew that hangs out at the bar

in this jackass Angelo and Come to find out Eddie's

brother was killed by a tune And then it goes

into this whole montage of all the old photos

and then lieutenant Santino Cracks an empty bottle

into the trash can waking Eddie up saying that

Marvin Acme's been killed So at the Acme factory

Eddie is met by Judge Doom of the Toontown District

Superior Court and his Toon Patrol weasel henchmen.

Now, I gotta say, this is a very weird role for

Christopher Lloyd to take. I didn't even know

it was Christopher Lloyd at first. Oh, I definitely

knew, because I remember watching this kind of

around the same time I started watching Back

to the Future, and I just knew they both were

exactly the same. Yes, yes, exactly. But I was

like, oh, no way. What's Doc Brown doing in a

movie and being bald? It's not that Doc Brown

isn't bald already, but he did have some white

hair. Doom is eager to use the quote -unquote

dip, a mixture of chemicals that can dissolve

any cartoon character on contact. He wants to

use this on Roger once he can be found. Eddie

encounters Baby Herman, Roger's co -star, who

swears that Roger is innocent that Acme's will,

which would have left Toontown to the toons,

has gone missing. If the will is not found by

midnight, Toontown could be sold at public auction.

Roger himself turns up at Eddie's office and

pleads his innocence. Eddie begins to investigate

the case deeper with his on -off girlfriend Dolores

and Roger's Toon taxi cab friend Benny while

trying to keep Roger hidden from the Toon Patrol.

Now, Benny is another one that I absolutely loved.

This is one just little small saying I got from

Benny. Out of my way! And from that... The whole

scene. That whole scene when Roger's in the office

and Eddie's trying to kick him out, and of course,

cartoons. In this film, we are led to believe

that you can't do anything to a tune that they

can't get out of. You can drop a safe on their

head, you can drop a refrigerator on their head,

you can drop whatever you want to on them, and

they just kind of plop up and go back to normal.

One thing I don't get, now maybe you can explain

this, if that's true, why in the world when he's

got Roger in the dish water, Roger can't breathe,

if you can drop a safe on the guy's head, why

wouldn't that, I don't know, I mean I know that's

a minor gripe, but that makes no sense. Yeah,

that kind of, I mean the logic is just one of

those things is you just kind of have to throw

a little bit out the window in regards to that,

because it's basically just reacting how we would

react, obviously. So, you know, I don't know.

It's just kind of one of those things you just

kind of have to put away your, like basically

put on your disbelief for a bit and just let

it happen. So, Valiant is visited by Jessica

who reveals that she was forced by Maroon to

get close to Acme or else he would have ruined

Roger's career. Now, we really didn't talk about

the Jessica scene in the club. I mentioned it.

Yeah. I know that Kathleen Turner voiced Jessica.

I don't remember for the life of me who was the

singing part because I know it wasn't... I know

Kathleen Turner did not do the singing. I know

they had two separate voice actresses for it.

I'm trying to remember who it is right now. I

think it was... I think it was Amy Irving, I

believe was the name. Let's see. Yeah, Amy Irving

supplied the singing voice. Wow, she had three

voices. We'll cover that when we get down on

the cast stuff. But yeah, that scene can leave

any guy cold. And that's all we're gonna say

about it folks yeah, yeah And this is her explanation

for the way that she is I'm not bad. I'm just

drawn that way So we have we have Jessica At

the office and of course Dolores walks in with

Eddie's pants down and you know You know, I don't

know Valiant then questions Maroon who tells

him that Cloval Eve Industries wouldn't buy his

studio unless Acme sold Toontown to them But

Acme refused to do so and he was going to set

up Acme with the pictures of him and Jessica

But before he can explain any further Maroon

is shot from his from him by a mysterious assassin

Eddie sees just and again. This is a very very

jumping around synopsis thing here because that's

just the way that That wiki is All right, Eddie

sees Jessica fleeing from the studio and overcoming

his anxiety pursues her into toon town But the

culprit turns out to be judge doom And I got

to play one more clip really quick the right

before he he has hesitation about going into

toon town because obviously That's where his

brother Teddy was killed. And another scene that

I absolutely died laughing from was this. Let's

go. Oh the cartoon bullets you got alone Yeah,

actually one of the things that you mean you

may recognize definitely the voice One of them

is named is done by the voice of Jim Cummings

who? Voiced a lot of Disney characters from like

this is me afternoons like stuff of Darkwing

Duck To tailspin to even DuckTales. So that's

another yes as I said before I think this was

Warner Brothers slash, you know, Warner Brothers

and Disney doing a lot very large team -up where

you're never going to see this ever again except

in this film As they attempt to bring doom to

the authorities any Jessica and Roger are all

captured by the Toon Patrol and They're taken

to the Acme warehouse doom reveals his plans

as the sole stockholder in cloverleaf industries

He bought the red car and he plans to buy Toontown

the Acme Company and Maroon Cartoon Studios and

then erase them to make way for a freeway for

Los Angeles to wipe out Toontown. Doom has built

a vehicle with a large dip vat and he plans to

spray throughout the district, wiping out all

the Toons. As Roger and Jessica struggle to avoid

being hit by the spray of the dip, Eddie manages

to get free and causes the weasels of the Toon

Patrol to die of laughter. through various comedic

antics, leaving the dip sprayer running automatically.

And the song and dance that Eddie does will be

the outro to the show. I always thought Ed's

scene, he's really struggling to act in that

scene, Eddie is. I don't know if he was struggling

to act. It's definitely obviously singing and

dancing, not in a strong suit. So I think that

he did, I mean, in a way it worked because of

the character the way he is. He's obviously,

the character Eddie Valiant is not a fan of Tune,

so he doesn't really get it as of yet. But I

mean, he's slowly starting to understand that

this is basically a Tune and human world. So

he kind of has to be a part of it. And basically

in order to be able to defeat Tune, in his henchmen,

you have to do what they do without singing names.

Eddie and Doom then fight using assorted tune

props found within the factory until Eddie is

able to run Doom over with a road roller, which

actually was a steamroller. The crush does not

kill Doom, however. Instead, Doom reveals himself

to be a toon, the same one that killed Eddie's

brother. Eddie manages to open the drain on the

dip sprayer, showering Doom with the mixture

and dissolving him. Eddie frees Roger and Jessica,

their relationship having been mended while the

dip sprayer harmlessly crashes through the warehouse

wall into Toontown and immediately smashed by

a Toon train. As numerous Toons enter the warehouse

to see what the commotion is, Eddie discovers

Acme's will written in disappearing, reappearing

ink on a parent blank piece of paper that Acme

had given to Jessica that Roger later wrote a

love poem to his wife on. With the wheel in hand,

the Toons celebrate their ownership of Toontown

and sing Smile Darn Your Smile while Roger and

Jessica as well as Eddie and Dolores rekindle

their relationships. Now I have one other clip

that I'm gonna play and I didn't bring this up

earlier but this is the second of the very first

ever on -air or on -screen performances. This

is Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse. What's up, Doc?

Jumping without a parachute? Kinda dangerous,

ain't it? Yeah! You can get killed! You guys

got a spare? Uh, Bugs does! Yeah? Yeah, but I

don't think you love it! I do, I do! Give it

to me! Gee up! Better let him have it, Bugs!

Okay, Doc. Whatever you say. Here's the spare!

Thank you! That scene was actually longer, but

when I went to record the clip, I didn't at all.

After Eddie goes down, the camera pans back up

to Bugs and Mickey and goes, oh gee. Mickey says

something, Bugs goes, oh gee, ain't I a stinker.

This film has got to be one of the best films.

You know, you can say what you want. People that

may not like Bob Hoskins, you can say what you

want about his acting ability, whatever. But

for the role that he was given, I thought it

was very well done. Well, he added the kind of,

I guess, very 1940s private detective sort of

feel to it. He was just very... Obviously, he

played an alcoholic really well. It was sort

of a character that you like, but then you don't

like at the same time. It's not like you love

to hate or hate to love, but he kind of rides

that fine line. He's kind of despicable at times,

but then he definitely has some good qualities

to him. You know, I personally, I like Bob Hoskins

as Eddie Valiant. I didn't have... Oh, no, I

don't, but I mean, I don't know, for some odd

reason there may be some people that do have

problems with him. Actually, it's funny, producer

Steven Spielberg's first choice for Eddie Valiant

was Harrison Ford, but he was asking for too

much money. Yeah, he just came off of the first

Star Wars trilogy, you know. Indiana Jones. I

think he was definitely doing Indiana Jones by

that point. I don't know if this is true or not.

I didn't really look this up, but every time

I see the name Charles Fleischer, I always think

of the... no wait, it's Max Fleischer that did

the Superman cartoons, wasn't it? Never mind.

I don't know, I always had that confused, never

mind. So Charles Fleischer provides the voice

of Roger Rabbit, an A -list tune working for

maroon cartoons. Roger is eventually framed for

murder for the death of Marvin Acme. To facilitate

Hoskins' performance, Fleischer dressed in a

Roger bunny suit and stood in behind camera for

most scenes. Animation director Richard Williams

explained Roger Rabbit was a combination of Tex

Avery's cashew nut -shaped head and the swatch

of red hair like Droopy's, Oswald Lucky Rabbit's

overalls, Porky Pig's bow, and Mickey Mouse's

gloves. Hmm, that's interesting. So at least

we know where the design came from. One scene

I did forget to mention was when Eddie's in Toontown

and he goes in the elevator. That's another scene

that always makes me crack up. Going up, sir.

Yeah, with Drupie. Going up, sir. Going down.

And Eddie's like on the floor. Yeah. Hey, do

that again! Okay, we have Drupie with us, ladies

and gentlemen. Yes, Christopher Lloyd played

judge doom the sadistic judge of Toontown District

Superior Court and main antagonist of the film

He previously worked with director Zemeckis and

Amblin Entertainment in back to the wait That's

right. Zemeckis did direct back. That's right

I remember when we were doing the back to the

future episode the first episode of M wire we

had mentioned that that once Back to the Future

2 and 3, Zemeckis was going between three films

in those years. He was going between those two

and this. Wow. I completely blanked on that one.

Kathleen Turner provides the voice of Jessica

Rabbit, Roger Rabbit's physically attractive

wife. Amy Irving supplied the singing voice while

Betsy Brantley served as the standing. Oh, this

the you know, where's my man? Yeah That was freakish

Joanna Cassidy as Dolores and his on -and -off

girlfriend who helps him and Roger solve the

case It's actually funny. The only other thing

that I remember her for like she'll pop up And

I'll remember her but the main thing I always

remember her from is don't tell mom the babysitter's

dead. Oh Yeah, I I do I don't remember my I mean

much obviously about Kathy Turner I mean my other

than just a lot of movies that she did in the

past but Amy Irving I actually do remember because

I'm a fan of alias And Amy Irving plays the wife

of Sloane, the main kind of bad guy from seasons

one and two. It didn't clue into that until all

of a sudden, I remember watching Roger Rabbit

recently and then watching Alias around the same

time and I was like, well those voices are kind

of similar, I guess the singing voice. then I

realized it was the same person. I'm like, now

that's cool. You have Alan Tilvern as R .K. Maroon,

short -tempered owner of Maroon Cartoon Studios.

This was Tilvern's final theatrical performance

before his death. Stubby K as Marvin Acme. See,

I could have sworn that... Some of these casting

lists would just give more about the actor than

what they actually play in the film, but apparently

not. Lou Hirsch provides the voice of Baby Herman.

Roger's Frequent Co -Star in Maroon Cartoon's

Williams said that Baby Herman was a mixture

of Elmer Fudd and Tweety crushed together. April

Winchell provides the voice of Mrs. Herman and

the baby noises. Wow. Elmer Fudd and Tweety Bird

crashed together. That's a strange combination.

Yeah, especially with the kind of rough voice

that it came out with. Yeah, that's a really

strange... Wow. Richard LaParmenter has a small

role as Lieutenant Santino. Joel Silver makes

his cameo appearance as the frustrated director

at the beginning of the film. Archive sound of

Frank Sinatra from Witchcraft was used for the

singing sword, in addition to Charles Fleischer.

The Weasel Gang voices were provided by David

L. Lander, Fred Newman, and June Ferre. Mel Blanc

voiced Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Tweety Bird, Porky

Pig, and Sylvester. This would be the final film

in which Blanc would voice these characters.

So we were right earlier. Um, Joe Aleski actually

voiced Yosemite Sam and Foghorn Leghorn. Other

voice work was provided by Wayne Owlain, which

I think he passed away too, as Mickey Mouse.

Um... No, I mean recently, I think he did. That's

what I'm saying, like maybe earlier this year

or late last year. I could have sworn I saw him.

Yeah. Oh no, it was actually this year, May 18th.

Tony Pope as the Big Bad Wolf and... goofy russie

taylor as the birds Minnie Mouse in Tony Enselo

as Donald Duck Enselo apparently actually Tony

Enselo I looked it up he apparently is the more

recent guy he's recently playing Donald Duck

I wonder who the original was I can look that

up I love the internet for that very reason Overall,

you know, this is one of those feel -good movies.

This is a... Oh, totally. It's one that kind

of, obviously, it was kind of one of the really

first ones that appealed to kids but had grown

-ups at the same time. Yes, and that is one of

the reasons why this was put under the Disney

Touchstone Name and not Walt Disney Pictures

itself because it wasn't back then Disney. I

don't actually know how many Live -action Disney

films were going on. I'm sure there were a lot.

I'm sure there were some Between obviously the

golden age of animation and when this was released

but Back in the 80s. I mainly knew Disney for

their animation films like you know Lady and

the Tramp Cinderella all that kind of stuff they

actually created touchstone pictures to be for

adults so they could show like a PG -13 movie

or you know something like that that way because

I believe I can't be certain but I either read

somewhere or heard a rumor that Disney at the

time wanted all of their animation to be G rated

which is what majority of it is so who is the

original do you know The original was Clarence

Nash, and he died in 85, so that's why at the

time it was Tony. Well, I mean, Mr. Anselmo takes...

He does an excellent job. I couldn't tell the

difference. Yeah, I mean, with Donald Duckie,

it's kind of hard, really, and if you do it well...

the voice well, it's kind of hard to really tell

who really sort of did that voice. Obviously,

you need someone that can be able to do the work

well and do the voice well to kind of really

make it seem like there's no transition between

the two people doing the voices. I mean, let's

say like, let's say for instance, Bugs Bunny,

the person who's voicing it now obviously is

not Mel Blank. I mean, he does a decent job.

but doesn't exactly kermit the frog exact same

way his son with uh... jim henson son robert

or i think it's proper bryan can remember which

he's doing the voice of kermit the frog now and

obviously that's very much different so with

donald duck it's kind of one of those voices

is so indescript that it's kind of hard to really

tell who's playing who at but with the fact that

both of them did extend that extremely well obviously

that Tony did a really good job as far as being

able to kind of take that and make it seem like

it was the original. And I think he was probably

the closest he ever came, or anybody ever came

to reproducing that voice, but without anyone

else. Oh, yeah. As far as Mel Blank and doing

bugs, as far as the differences with bugs nowadays,

I think a majority of people try to emulate Blank.

But I don't think that they would go as far as

blank did when he first started crafting the

voice for bugs He would actually eat carrots

when he would do them. What's up doc? He would

actually eat the carrots as you know they would

show him an animation cell or they would show

him a drawing of bugs eating carrots and he would

actually eat carrots and do the voice and I thought

that was a really cool thing As I mentioned before

there were a little bit of problems The reason

why this was released in her touchstone Michael

Eisner the then president of the Walt Disney

Company It's complain who friend Roger Rabbit

was too risque with sexual innuendos Eisner and

Zemeckis disagreed over elements with the film

But since Zemeckis had final cut privilege he

refused to make alterations Jeffrey Katzenberg

felt it was appropriate to release the film under

their touchstone pictures banner Who Framed Roger

Rabbit opened on June 22, 1988 in America grossing

$11 million. I'm just going to round it up or

down. $11 million in 1 ,045 theaters during its

opening weekend. The film went on to gross a

total of $156 million in North America and $173

million internationally, coming to a worldwide

total of $329 .8 million. Wow. That's a lot of

money At the time of release Roger Rabbit was

the 20th highest grossing film of all time The

film was also in second highest grossing film

of 1988 only behind Rain Man Wow, that's that's

something I would not I would not put those two

films together No, you wouldn't think so. I mean,

those are two big stars in that one, Tom Cruise

and Dustin Hoffman, and you would think that,

I mean, you knew that the little animation movie,

live action animation movie, it would become

second in that list. It won several Academy Awards.

Awards for sound editing, visual effects, and

film editing nominations included art direction,

cinematography, and sound. As far as the legacy

for it, The success of Who Framed Roger Rabbit

rekindled the interest in golden age American

animation and sparked modern age modern animation

scene in 1991 Walt Disney Imagineering began

to develop Mickey's Toon Town for Disneyland

based on the Toon Town that appeared in the film.

The attraction also features a ride called Roger

Rabbit's Cartoon Spin. Three theatrical short

cartoons were also produced, Tummy Trouble played

in front of Honey I Shrunk the Kids. Rollercoaster

Rabbit was shown with Dick Tracy, and Trail Mix

-Up was included with Far Off Place. The film

also inspired short -lived comic book and video

game spinoffs, including a PC game, the Japanese

version of the Bugs Bunny Crazy Castle, which

features Roger instead of Bugs, and an 1989 game

release on the Nintendo Entertainment System.

What was it? Yeah, those cartoons I just mentioned,

all of those are on the two disc Buena Vista

series special edition DVD. I've never had this

on DVD, I have it now obviously, but at the time

I had never had it and I just saw it in Best

Buy one day and I saw just the case that it came

in, it has Benny It has Benny on the front with

Roger, Eddie, and Jessica in the cab. You slip

the slip cover off. It shows as like a old time

40s notebook. Because it is a two disc edition,

it opens up in three different parts. And on

the left hand side, you know how they have DVD

booklets that will show you the special features

and chapters and all that stuff? Well, this opens

up like a notepad. And it reads like a detective's

DVDs themselves, I gotta say, this is very ingenious.

They actually, they look like film reels on the

actual discs. for the art and then the first

disc is the they have family friendly bonus features

and then the second disc has the enthusiast bonus

features which include a bunch of stuff they

include the trailer they include a Toontown game

where you can interact it's just an awesome awesome

two disc DVD to have and I'm very glad that I

have it As far as the controversies for the film,

with the film's laser disc release, Variety first

reported in March 1994 that observers uncovered

several scenes of subliminal antics from the

animators that featured a brief nudity of the

Jessica Rabbit character. While undetectable

when played at the usual rate of 24 film frames

per second, the Laserdisc player allowed the

viewer to advance frame by frame to uncover these

visuals. Many retailers said that within minutes

of the Laserdisc debut, their entire inventory

was sold out. Well, duh! The run was fueled by

media reports. about the controversy, including

stories in CNN and various newspapers, a Disney

exec responded to a variety that people need

to get a life than to notice stuff like that.

We were never aware of it. It was just stupid

gimmick. The animators pulled on us and we didn't

notice it. Oh, yeah. That's just like you people

didn't notice that part of the castle in The

Little Mermaid is a dick joke, basically. Uh

-huh. Sure, sure. Okay. At the same time, people

also need to develop a sense of humor with these

things. One scene involves Herman extending his

middle finger as he passes under a woman's dress,

reemerging withdrawal on his lip. Oh my god,

other rumors also exist. Gary Wolf, the author

of the novel who censored Roger Ebert filed a

lawsuit in 2001 against the Walt Disney Company.

Wolf claimed he was owed royalties based on the

value of gross receipts and merchandising sales.

In 2002, the trial court in the case ruled that

these only referred to actual cash receipts Disney

collected and denied Wolf's claim. In its January

2004 ruling, the California Court of Appeal disagreed,

finding that expert testimony introduced by Wolf

regarding the customary use of gross receipts

in the entertainment business could support a

broader reading of the term, ruling vacated the

trial courts in favor of Disney, and remanded

the case for further proceedings. In March 2005

hearing, Wolf estimated he was owed $7 million.

Disney's attorneys not only disputed the claim,

but said Wolf actually owed Disney $500 ,000

to $1 million because of an accounting error

discovered in preparing for the lawsuit. It's

Hollywood, people. Thank God I don't live in

California. Oh my God. I don't want to live in

that state. Holy crap. Well, I guess it's kind

of tough when you're an author and you have a

book or a story that's kind of put out there

as a film, is that you don't really have a lot

of I guess say in in the film Like you would

think that here that JK Rowling would have a

lot of say in Harry Potter and she really she

did because to a degree but they it was still

up to the producers and the director of how they

want the film to happen and so it's really you

kind of have to Unless you want to be the author

wants to be it is able to be involved from the

very beginning of production to right to the

end then a movie can be made the way the author

wanted it to. But just due to time or production

costs or whatever, a lot of that doesn't happen.

So that's where we get a lot of these lawsuits

from is because the fact that the producers got

the rights to it, they made the movie, and really

kind of let the author have it. There has been

rumors lately over the last several months of

the prequel and I have some prequel information

here. They were actually going to make a sequel

or I don't think the words remake were ever entered

but like a sequel or a prequel was. With the

critical and financial success of Who Framed

Roger Rabbit, Walt Disney Pictures and Steven

Spielberg felt it was obvious to plan a second

installment. Matt Maublin wrote a prequel titled

Roger Rabbit the Toon Platoon. set in 1941, similar

to the previous film. Toon Platoon featured many

cameo appearances with characters from the golden

age of American animation. It began with Roger

Rabbit's early years living on a farm in the

Midwestern United States with human Richie Davenport.

Roger travels west to seek his mother in a process

meeting Jessica Krupp Nick, his future wife.

A struggling Hollywood actress, Jessica is kidnapped

and forced to make pro -nazi germany broadcast

this roger and richie must save her by going

into nazi occupied europe after their triumph

roger and richie are given a hollywood boulevard

parade and roger is finally reunited with his

mother and father bugs bunny the film would have

gone direct to video okay uh... i don't see bugs

bunny as roger rabbit's father i'm sorry I don't

know if you wanted to try to take if you wanted

to go the tiny tunes route and Try to make Buster

Bunny Bugs Bunny's son I could see that Because

the tiny tunes are basically offshoots of the

Looney Tunes care, but Roger Rabbit no No, I

like I said, I'd see more Roger Rabbit as one

that came before Bugs Bunny did so I don't think

it would have worked out. Maudlin later retitled

the script who discovered Roger Rabbit. Spielberg

left the project when deciding he could not satirize

Nazis after directing Schindler's List. Michael

Eisner commissioned a rewrite in 1997 with Sherry

Stoner. Ooh, slappy squirrel. And Deanna Oliver,

although they kept Roger's search for his mother,

Stoner and Oliver changed the story to Roger's

inadvertent rise to stardom on Broadway. and

Hollywood. Disney was impressed and Alan Menken

was hired to write five songs for the film and

offered his services as executive producer. One

of the songs, This Only Happens in the Movies,

was recorded in 2008 on the debut album of Broadway

actress Carrie Butler. Eric Goldberg was set

to be the new animation director and began to

redesign Roger's new character appearance. One

of the problems, and this applies to anything

that I have with prequels, I'm so used to, it

could be animation, it could be live action,

whatever. You know, you take Dumb and Dumber,

okay? I'm so used to seeing Jim Carrey and Jeff

Daniels as those characters when they did Dumb

and Dumber and used two other actors as their

younger son. Yeah, so I don't know about, no,

I mean, I know animation's slightly different.

where you can kind of retool them to look like

their original creation but a little bit younger,

but I don't know. That's just one issue I have

with prequels. Well, the thing is about prequels

is that I'm not a fan of them in general. I don't

know, maybe it's just Star Wars kind of left

a big bad taste in my mouth in regards to prequels.

But the thing is I just don't like about it because

they try so much to recapture the magic of the

original by trying to tie in so many different

things to the original that a lot of the story

is lost in the prequel because they're so trying

to tie up all the stories that lead into the

original story of the original movie or the original

product or whatever it's coming from. I think

personally, Three rules suck. I don't think I've

ever seen really any prequel that was that was

good Any I don't know maybe there's something

maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, but that's

just it would that just see it all depends on

like if they were gonna do just a cartoon and

Not a a live -action cartoon mixture if they

were just gonna do a cartoon showing Rogers rise

to stardom That would be fine because as I said

you can do pretty much anything in animation

and still keep the general character But if they're

gonna do a live -action and animation first of

all Bob Hoskins There's no but I don't think

you could find anybody that looks like him even

a younger version of him To put this this prequel

you know, four or five years ahead, like four

or five years ahead of 19, or before 1947. Right.

I don't know. That's, I mean, that is a tough

one. I mean, you definitely, it's tough to obviously

replace anybody. And I don't know. I mean, See

I can see a sequel definitely because then you

can you can possibly have the same people involved

you can have You can have either new characters

if you wanted to but I mean Actually, I think

actually from what I heard recently that there

was news that the original writers of who framed

Roger Iver like the the screenwriters were actually

make or possibly make right According to the

information I have, in March of 2003, producer

Don Hans said, don't expect a Roger Rabbit sequel

anytime soon. Animation today is completely conquered

by computers and traditional animation just isn't

in the forefront anymore. In December of 2007,

Marshall admitted he was still open to the idea.

And in April 2009, Zemeckis revealed he was still

interested. Now, which Marshall are they talking

about? I don't see his name. Oh, Frank Marshall.

Okay. If it happens, it happens. I don't want

it. My only fear is that they're going to try

to remake what they've already made. And they're

going to do a horrible job at it. You know, like

these... I know we're kind of getting off on

a tangent here, but you know, the remake cycle.

remaking Nightmare on Elm Street, remaking Friday

the 3rd, all this stuff. Now granted those films,

they're not my forte and I probably won't watch

them. Ever since I've seen the first Nightmare

on Elm Street when I was like five or six, I

have been completely turned off of horror films

altogether. But, you know, I just, I don't like

remakes. No, I really don't like them either.

I think the only remake that's been done well

is Star Trek. I'm not saying it just because

I'm a huge Star Trek fan, but I think remakes,

sequels and prequels, it's a lot of what Hollywood

is doing now only because it's safe. is to do

these sort of prequel -sequels to already established

franchises, and they're not really allowing anyone

to really create anything new, so to speak. I

mean, I think the most original movie that came

out as of this year was definitely District 13.

You mean District 9? I'm sorry, District 9. I'm

thinking Warehouse 13 combined with the show

District 13. I'm sorry. It's 12 o 'clock at night.

Yeah, so District 9. District 9 actually, well,

no, that actually kind of ties in. Warehouse

13 is also another one that was kind of very

original. TV starting to get it like TV's getting

that a lot of a lot of people clamoring for original

new content That's why heroes became so big when

it came out That's why fringe became so big when

it came out its people are clamoring for this

new stuff that instead of just remakes I mean

the only reason why remakes and skit sequels

and and prequels or whatever do blow out the

box office Generally for the most part is because

they already had established bands. That's all

they're going for That's all the Hollywood is

going for with those people is just so they can

get automatic button seats in the movie theater

opening weekend cuz that's all it is now it's

the opening weekend is nothing to do with dvd

sales or overall sales or ticket sales whatever

it is everything to do with getting that first

weekend at the top of the box office if they

could get that they don't care really about how

much move how much money really makes even the

even if it is uh... it doesn't make as much as

uh... as their budget was and i think i mean

at the time who frame roger rather was made forty

million dollars which Is it a lot now compared

to our standards? But at that time, that was

a huge deal for a movie of that kind of size,

was a $40 million budget. And they definitely

made that back. But that's the thing, because

at the time, a lot of people loved watching original

stuff. That's why a lot of films from the 80s

and early 90s, you got a lot of originality.

But now... Everyone's just playing it safe. Everyone

is just going by the numbers and let's just make

a paint -by -numbers movie that everyone that

people of this franchise the fans this franchise

are gonna enjoy and that's about it and I don't

You get when you get those rare gems like District

9 or even on TV warehouse 13 and or fringe or

whatever you get those a lot of people who sort

of clamor to it and And a lot of the big established

in Hollywood are kind of afraid of that. Even

though the numbers may not be as high as what

they would expect it to be a breakout hit, they

don't really give them a big chance. Hollywood

does not take a big risk on it. And that's why

I kind of praise Peter Jackson for taking that

risk on Neil Blomkamp for District 9. I know

my District 9. I know it. Just saying. That's

why he gave him a chance because he saw what

Neil Blomkamp could do and he thinks it was an

awesome idea and he ran with it. And some people

are slowly starting to kind of, some producers

are slowly starting to do that. Guillermo del

Toro is kind of known for doing a lot of that.

Even just kind of taking on with his own projects.

So there's just a lot of people are slowly. Moving

towards that sort of original content idea, but

I think we're still going to see a lot of new

remake like a lot of remakes a lot of Stuff from

original franchises that have already been established

We're going to see that for a little while. Eventually

that well is going to run dry, and that's just

going to make it easy for new filmmakers to kind

of bring up their own, to create their own franchises,

to create their own big hits. And then I say

within about five to ten years, we'll start to

see a lot more regionalities. Yeah, I've got

to say, this year, 2009, I did not see a whole

heck of a lot of remakes. I think that if you

go back... I don't know, maybe I'm not really

paying attention, but let me just finish this.

I think that from 2004 to 2008, those four years,

those were the years for remakes. You had the

Bionic Woman remake. You had the Knight Rider

remake. You had, I mean, just on TV. I don't

know, maybe I'm not watching a whole hell of

a lot of TV these days. I don't know. But...

Well, I'm talking... I'm sort of generalizing

remakes in regards to also people taking films,

TV, but more in regards to just taking old franchises.

Franchises that may not have made into movies

or they had made movies in the 80s, it just didn't

do that well and kind of making it new. Like

this year, obviously, there was the Transformers,

you had Star Trek, you have Sherlock Holmes coming

up. Even though Marvel, Marvel in itself is kind

of, they make remakes, but they make them really

well, and that's a thing because the creators

of the original properties are making that film,

are making the film. So in a way, all these sort

of franchises that were made back in the 80s

or whatever are starting to kind of, People are

just taking those and saying, okay, let's take

Transformers and we'll make that into a movie.

Because there's people that like Transformers,

there's fans of it. So I kind of lumped that

in. This is a discussion for really another show,

but you really can't lump Transformers. You can't

say Transformers and Transformers 2. They're

not remakes, they're live -action versions of

an animated and comic property. Wouldn't really

say that those are remakes because that's never

been done before now if you take if you want

to take and say that The Star Trek film is a

remake that could be argued because technically

it's its own universe It's set up its own universe

really, but you know it's a topic for a whole

other show But, you know, overall, getting back

to Roger Rabbit before we have to close out,

I think everybody should actually go out and

get this two -disc edition DVD for your collection,

especially if you're a Roger Rabbit fan. It actually,

I forgot to mention earlier, it comes with, now,

I don't know, it's probably just stamped on,

but it comes with two glossies, one of Roger

and one of Jessica, and they are both signed.

and I have them framed in the other room. I don't

have them hung up in my new apartment yet, but

I actually, when I was in my old apartment, I

had them framed in frames because I didn't want

anything to happen to them, obviously. So this

DVD is a very much must pick up. We will be right

back with the outro information. There once was

a boy, an albino, I'm told, who possessed the

power of pen pusher gold. He had many stories,

all short and exciting, but nobody knew, and

so he began writing. He sat there all summer

and skillfully sought to perfectly ponder and

polish each plot. The settings were set, all

the characters cast, his fingers were flying

and flailing so fast, and soon the young man

with the snowy complexion quickly concocted the

caffeine collection. He smiled, satisfied with

his clever creation. Oh, the things that did

pour from his imagination! Stories of pirates

and future police, of devils and bullies, and

a twist press release. Fantasy, mystery, both

are included. Comedy, action, no genre excluded.

You say to yourself, it's too good to be true,

but author Steve Saylor would not lie to you.

An audiobook so you don't have to read. And hey,

$15 is all that you need. From the author of

the podcast novel, Black Shadow, Steve Saylor

presents The Caffeine Collection, a dynamic audiobook

collection of short stories presented by ringtonefeeder

.com. and stevesaylor .net. Steve presents a

genre mashup of multiple stories for your ears.

I have to be on caffeine to write all this. Steve

Saylor presents The Caffeine Collection on sale

October 28th, 2009. So mark this day down so

you will not forget. For more information, stevesaylor

.net. We are back, and this is the outro. So,

Mr. World Famous Author, do you have anything

you want to plug? This is a section. Yes, you

can actually go to my website stevesaylor .net

and you can actually pick up the caffeine collection

and short story collection written by myself.

And you can actually be able to get that in many

different formats. You can get an audio format,

which you can find also at ringtonefeeder .com.

You can also be able to get a print version and

a PDF version of the book as well. But pretty

much the best way to be able to get all that

info is, like I said, at stevesaylor .net. Yes,

and so everybody is not confused that it's spelled

S -A -Y -L -O -R. You can definitely go there,

but also SAILOR .NET and that URL is also registered

to me as well. Oh, really? Okay, well, I don't

know. I was a smart one. Wow, you actually sounded

like skids or mudflap there for a minute. Holy

crap. I was a smart one. Do you have anything

else other than caffeine collection that you

would like to plug? I know that you're on a hiatus

from This Week in Geek, but is there anything

else you want to plug out? uh... though you have

a good look at what it obviously this week i

am still sort of uh... is still a part of that

uh... that's all this is that uh... i am on hiatus

as as you mentioned but uh... if you want to

check that out that out to go to uh... this week

in geek dot net founding members has been kicked

out i think no no there's no way of being kicked

out uh... so going into the official closing

for our show thank you for joining us here on

Tooncast and Movie Week in Review. There are

several ways to get in contact with us. We'll

leave feedback for the shows. First is you visit

www .geekcastradio .com and find all the other

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discussion topics there. The third is you can

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And I know that we don't have any reviews for

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That's the best way to help us on iTunes. The

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is another great geek culture website. threads

in their self -promotion section of their forums.

And the fifth is the email address, which is

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can also follow us on Twitter. The show names

there are gcrntunecast and gcrnmwire. Mine is

TFG1Mike, and what is your Twitter, sir? Steve

Saylor. Yes. And that is with the Y, not the

I. But I do have, with the I as well, registered,

and it just has one tweet that says, go here,

this is where I am. This is not the Steve Saylor

you're looking for, is actually what it says.

Wow, that's funny. Funny, interesting thing about

that particular account is that I actually have

followers there for some odd reason. I have ten

followers. I don't know why. Oh, this is one

tweet. Sorry, this is not Steve Saylor you were

looking for. Sorry for the confusion. I'm actually

Steve Saylor with a Y. And that's all it says.

Well, that's funny. We hope you enjoyed this

episode of Tooncast and MWIRE. We hope you join

us next time for Tooncast in episode 25. I am

actually joined by Steve Megatron, Pecan Court

Michael, and Kevin, Professor Boss Cade Dog,

Thompson. Kevin is the original Tooncast co -host.

When I got rid of my iPhone, I thought I lost

the numbers, but they're in my computer somewhere.

I don't know. I just did a search for them. And

I found Kevin's phone number out of the blue.

And I'm like, wait. I have a paid subscription

to Skype to be able to call people. I can just

call his ass every Sunday night or whatever.

We're going to record Tooncast. And yeah, he

can be back on the show. So yeah, episode 25,

Kevin did rejoin us. For my it'll be episode

19, which we will be covering the movie can't

hardly wait So yeah for now. I am TFD1 Michael

with Steve Snowball Sailor say any more words

of Elizabeth Shue don't fuck with the babysitter

and thank you for listening until next time Sword

of Omens give me psych beyond psych. I see a

new episode of tune gas coming this week I just

want you to know something about the guy you're

gonna dip! Now Roger is his name! Laughter is

his game! Come on you dope and tiresome and watch

him go insane! He's lost his mind. I don't think

so. This singing ain't my line. It's tough to

make a rhyme. If I get stuck, I'm out of luck.

I'm running out of... and off the wall without

that gun and have some fun I kick you in the

nose nose that don't rhyme with walls no but

this does